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>>21437165
Switzerland you fucking dumbass

>>21437165
Ukraine

>>21437165
well if you are a US citizen you are fucked you will have to pay taxes every year even tho you don't live there anymore you have to denounce your citizenship. But you should go to monaco.

>>21437165
in germany you have to hold coins a year and it´s tax free

>>21437251
Do you have to be in germany for more than a year or just have bought your coins more than a year ago?

>>21437292
hold coins for over a year. In Switzerland you don't have to pay anything if you trade and make money you only have to pay taxes on dividends.

>>21437177
How are you supposed to get a citizenship

>>21437165
Portugal /thread

>>21437402
This. I'm pretty sure Switzerland is one of the hardest countries to get into, otherwise they'd be flooded with niggers.

>>21437165
Austria.

Hold for a year your gains are tax free.
Want to cash out without anybody knowing. No problem just go to one of the many bitcoin vending machines and caah out anonymously.

By the way no niggers or trannies allowed in austria so dont even think about it jamal.

Even if you cash out by living in the country for a year, wouldn't you be taxed to fucking shit if you ever returned to the US?

OP here, how difficult is it to get a citizenship in Switzerland as a well educated (master of science) EU citizen?

>>21437625
this, they hand out gold visas if you walk in with 350k in the bank.

>>21438011
>By the way no niggers or trannies allowed in austria
Conchita Wurst?

>>21438049
You can move there if you have enough money to support yourself as eu citizen, or get hired

>>21437165
Portugal, Germany implying you hold your crypto for a year or maybe Serbia or Bulgaria since they tax flat 15% on income if the first two are not to your liking.

>>21438042
yes, mutt

>>21437165
Germany. Wear niggerface and you'll even get extra money

>>21437165
It’s easy, don’t cash out, get a shitty Revolut and buy groceries with some converted stinky linky

>>21438011
>Austria.
>By the way no niggers or trannies allowed in austria so dont even think about it jamal.
Bin mir nicht sicher ob eine Türkenüberflutung so viel besser ist. Klar juckt es keinen wenn du deine 90 Euro aus dem Automaten holst aber die sind trotzdem regierungsabhängig also mit steuerbericht hinterziehen wird das so nichts. Die wollen schon alle Details wissen damit das mit dem 1 Jahr halten überhaupt gültig ist.

>>21438011
Can you really do it anonymously?

It was possible in Finland to cash out anonymously from bitcoin vending machines, but they added mandatory KYC ID-checks to the machines a year or two ago...

I live in Finland and I'm looking for options for cashing out. Tax is 30% here for crypto gains...

>>21438815
No you can't, the vending machines cooperations work with the government otherwise they wouldn't be allowed. That guy was probably cashing out like 90 Euro and now thinks he's a gangster because nobody knocked on his door that day. If you cash out large sums it's going to get noticed, if we are talking about make it money you would probably have to drive around the whole country and empty every vending machine to get it. Our police has its own department for crypto stuff. You are going to see turks and east europeans everywhere.

Thoughts on the Netherlands?

>>21437165
Israel, Switzerland, Portugal.
All no tax jew shit.
Israel jew central.
Switzerland is fucking great and comfy but you have to learn French/German to get by.
Portugal is good, and if you move there go to the south of Portugal, Algarve, next to the Albufeira/Villamoura Region, legit everyone speaks English there like 70% of population, its nice near the beach and very comfy also everything is stupid cheap in Portugal, u can make it in Portugal with 300k-500k lmao.

>>21439447
Cringe. Full of niggers and arabs, lived there for 2 year dude, never going back what a fucking shithole.

>>21437165

Portugal , Germany(1year), Malta and Gibraltar all have no capital gains on Crypto I think

Do you get taxed buying amazon gift cards through something like RSV?

>>21437165
Portugal, Anon, is where ill go to dont give free money to the jews

im sure paying your good goy tax would be nothing considering you`ve made it

>>21439541
It is Western Europe, what would you expect?

CYPRUS

Tbh I'm never leaving the nordic cunts.

>>21439715
Because you love paying exorbitant taxes on everything you do?

>>21439747
24% ain't that bad.

>>21439756
Yes, it is that bad and that's just the start. Once you start peeling off the hidden tax layers, you'll never want to set foot here again.

Anyone with tax experience in Belgium? As far as I can tell it's either 0% or 33% depending on what the government thinks you've been doing with it (i.e. hodling or trading), so obviously I'm pretty keen to make sure I qualify for one rather than the other.

Imagine investing in the cure to jew fiat only to want to convert your gains back to jew fiat

>>21439973
once you set foot in antwerpen or brussel and see the immigrants you won't even consider moving to belgium anymore

>>21439973
0% if you managed it like a long term investment.

How's Czechia?

>>21440049
This desu, i lived in Antwerpen my whole life and its a fucking nigger and sandnigger shithole.
Only the white enclave districts are good to live.

>>21439447
great tax rate, 1.32% on your crypto, fucking EZ dude, they calculate the tax on a fictional ROI of I forgot what percentages, but it boils down to 1.32% effective tax

>>21439521
>Israel
I'll get my DNA tested, maybe I'll find out I'm a jew.

Btw what if you don't cash out and just buy shit with bitcoins directly? How is that taxed in different countries?

>>21439541
You must be very poor, sad

Swiss citizen here, send me your linkies and I'll cash them out for you.

If not Switzerland I unironically recommend the Scandinavian countries. Aside from the high taxes (Norway has 22% capital gains though, so you can get away with lower tax rates) it is a supremely comfy living here and the mass immigration meme is limited to super, super tiny ghettos and it's really not as bad as people say it is.

Daily reminder that our culture is more libertarian and capitalist than the Americans.

t. Swedish but lived abroad for many years, longing to move back to Stockholm as it is the comfiest city I've ever lived in

>>21440080
Shit.
15% of profit on every sale.

>>21438000
you can open a bank account in CH if you have a minimum of 3Million Euros. and I believe you can buy the citizenship starting from 150 000 Euros
depends on your country of origin and your profile

>>21440648
No. Stop thinking about citizenship. Unless you are American where you get taxed in the US as well as wherever else you live, you can move to Switzerland and get a job. If you have a B Permit you can stay and work in Switzerland, and pay taxes as the country of your residence. However you do not need to hold citizenship. In order to get that you need to be here 12 years and speak one of the 3 main languages spoken here. Unless you marry a Swiss in which case it’s half the time but the language requirement remains. Anyone seriously considering this should simply look for jobs which will provide them the basis of cashing out here...

People shouldn't forget that "holding for one year" applies to every transaction not just the last hodl.

>>21440103
>>21440049
>>21439541
What are the chances Europe rises up, removes kebab and eliminates 99% of taxes forever? Looks like it's destined to be a jewish tax farm populated by arabfrican mutts.

>>21440304
I don’t know about you guys but I wouldn’t wanna live in a frozen shithole my whole life

No, it's Bulgaria, but don't tell anyone you have money

>>21441008

It's not frozen during the summer. Summers in Stockholm are fantastic and temperatures can reach around 25C. I'm currently in the south of Sweden and the temperature is about 30C right now, which is fairly warm. Perfect climate if you ask me, and winters are also really comfy.

>>21439521
>mfw I've already made it if I move to Portugal now

too bad my gf lives in Spain

>>21437183
Probably

>>21437349
is staking/defi-lending/masternoding all considered dividends? here in germany its currently a grey-area

Germanbros, is it true? I've read a few times that you have to pay income tax on whatever you cash, which would amount to like 40%-50% depending on your living situation. Is it true? Anyone with REAL experience who has cashed out yet?

>>21441343

Buy any coin on 01.01.2020

After 01.01.2021 you can sell with 0% tax
Before 01.01.2021 you have to pay either 25% Abgeltungssteuer or your personal income tax (whichever is less)
on top of that you have to pay Solidaritätszuschlag (5,5% iirc) and (if you are in one) church tax X % ( think X depends on church)

>>21439521
what does it take to get tax citizenship in portugal? I have been thinking about moving there.

>>21441727
also is portugal dangerous and will a nordic beta male get along there

>>21441008
I live by south Oslo and snow was around for like a month. Global warming cucking the snow based culture.

>>21437165
WANTED TO get STA but fucking hell ETH fees so high

>>21440049
Hahahaha I'm not thinking of moving there, I already live there. I live in Matonge. Holy shit, you guys are fucked. I'm making my money here and then getting out.
>>21440053
So what's that mean, no swinging, no margins, no selling? If I've bought ETH in order to buy other stuff on Uniswap, that's not a problem, right?

Greece 0% capital gains tax