/biz/ - Business & Finance

Remember to only create new threads AFTER the old one has reached its bump limit of 300 posts.

Exchange - Current Price 137 Satoshi:
https://coinedup.com/OrderBook?market=DOGE&base=BTC
https://www.cryptsy.com/markets/view/132
https://vircurex.com/welcome/index?alt=doge&base=btc
https://bter.com/trade/doge_btc
https://coinex.pw
https://www.swisscex.com/market
http://www.reddit.com/r/dogemarket

Buy DOGE with fiat:
http://vaultofsatoshi.com
https://www.kraken.com

Mining guide:
http://doges.org/index.php?topic=592.0
https://litecoin.info/Mining_hardware_comparison
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AlhSF602y9DSdHRneWVZcjJLWmhjaVBMTHVCR3l4eHc
http://rumorscity.com/2013/12/09/how-to-modify-video-bios-to-undervolt-gpu-in-linux

Pools:
http://fast-pool.com
http://doge.poolerino.com
http://doge.netcodepool.org
http://ypool.net
http://shitpost.asia
https://suchcoins.com
http://hashdogs.org
http://bigcryptopool.com
http://doge.st

Useful sites:
Blockchain:
http://dogechain.info/address/address.goes.here

Free doge:
http://kentbrew.github.io/dogefaucets

Miscellaneous:
http://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/cryptsy/dogebtc
http://dogemonitor.com
http://doge.yottabyte.nu
http://bluecoinstock.com/public/market/1
http://www.coinwarz.com/exchange-charts/dogecoin-exchange-rate-chart
http://www.dogetools.com/calc
http://cryptmarketcap.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogecoin
http://dogecoinpaperwallet.net
http://dogeprice.net
http://www.reddit.com/r/DogeNews
http://saydoge.com
http://flappydoge.net
http://www.dogebiz.net
http://www.dailydoge.org

Want the DOGE coin to succeed? This is how you can help:

Ask btc-e to add DOGE to their exchange:
http://hdbtce.kayako.com

Donate to the original doge owner:
http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/1w7ouk

Join #do/g/ecoin at Rizon now.

THIS POST IS ABOUT PANDACOIN (PND). WHAT IS PANDACOIN (PND)? IT'S AWESOME AND YOU SHOULD MINE IT NOW. (http://bamboohouse.info/index.php?page=gettingstarted))

UPDATE YOUR WALLET TO THE NEWEST VERSION(1.5.3): http://bamboohouse.info/bin/pandacoin-qt-win32_1.5.3.zip

Bitcointalk: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=464476.0
Twitter: @panda_coin
Facebook: /pandacoin
Reddit: www.reddit.com/r/therealpandacoin/

Want to help PND?
Send a mail for its inclusion on bter to: admin@mail.bter.com
Coinedup subreddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/CoinedUp/comments/1ylq9d/please_add_pandacoin_pnd_to_coinedup_0_premine_3
Coinwarz contact: http://www.coinwarz.com/contact <- Contact to list PND
Cryptsy votethread: https://cryptsy.freshdesk.com/support/discussions/topics/77882

Services that accept PND:
http://www.nitrobackup.com
http://coinverted.com
http://coinpayments.net

Website: http://thepandacoin.net/

Wallet:
Binaries: https://github.com/pandacoin-official/binaries
Source: https://github.com/pandacoin-official/pandacoin

Pools can be found in the bitcointalk thread.

Exchange:
https://www.swisscex.com
https://cryptorush.in
https://www.mintpal.com/market/PND/BTC
http://kryptokursy.pl/PND

Faucets:
https://www.pandapool.info/index.php?page=faucet
http://bamboohouse.info/index.php?page=faucet

Mining Guides:
http://doges.org/index.php?topic=592.0
https://litecoin.info/Mining_hardware_comparison
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AlhSF602y9DSdHRneWVZcjJLWmhjaVBMTHVCR3l4eHc
http://rumorscity.com/2013/12/09/how-to-modify-video-bios-to-undervolt-gpu-in-linux

Mining Resources:
https://www.litecoinpool.org/minerconfig
http://bamboohouse.info/pandacoin.conf
http://pandachain.net

IRC: #officialpandacoin@freenode (webchat.freenode.net)
Forum: http://forum.bamboohouse.info

Also test my tipbot script for 4chan:
http://tipbot.bamboohouse.info
http://git.bamboohouse.info/pandacoin-official/4chan-tipbot/blob/ecdd3a/addressfinder.user.js

Reminder to donate to http://doge4water.org/ to promote the currency.

Should i order the solid silver doge coin?

>>212899
I ordered one. They're cool novelty pieces.

>>212899
>$33

>>212899
i seriously searched for them on google exactly now and came to the thread and read this.

>>212914
gonna go for it?
for me it would be about 10% of my current coins, paying in doge

i think the physical bitcoins are pretty cool, is it able to make a physical coin and make this coin a wallet so that you can use it someway. (With a microchip or something like this).
You could load a coin and it is your wallet, would be cool.

>>212910
33 dolalr = 23 €
1 Ounce silver is currently worth 19 € so it's an ok price I guess.

>>212927
You're right I guess. Ordered two.

>>212926
>>212926
>You could load a coin and it is your wallet,

>loading a physical coin

what?

>>212926
That's what they do. Attach a private key to it.

Is there any shop that let you make your own physical coin, the face of doge isn't that nice. Does it exist?

>>212938
Oh that's pretty cool. Cooler than I thought I guess. But only with the bitcoin physicals, am i right?

Link to where I can buy a physical dogecoin?

>>212936
Yeah my English is a little bit fucked up, sorry for that. Feeling bad at the moment.

>>212942
More or less. Shibemint has added another piece of paper for that.

>>212943
http://shibemint.com/

Also why has the price fallen by half? Not been around because reasons, was about 270satoshi

>>212948

The hype is over. People finally got tired of the memecoin.

>>212953
http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/gocoin-gives-hat-tip-to-shibes-such-doge-support-1888566.htm

>>212957
we srs bisnis nao

even artists are addressing the effects of the pnd dumping

>>212899
I ordered the copper one. Hopefully it arrives soon.

>14-maerz-2014-zu-den-1600-pandabaeren-aus-papier-die-der-franzoesische-kuenstler-paulo-grangeon-auf-dem-liberty-square-in-taipei-praesentiert-gesellte-sich-ein-kleiner-plueschbaer.jpg

>>213031
>256.3

Have we decided on the new pandacoin logo yet?

>>213039
http://bamboohouse.info/1394588867250.png is the only option so far.

>>213040
kinda ugly imo

why not the logo awesome PND that was posted yesterday? i thought it was really nice.

>>213040
This one with the darker colours looked good

>>213044
Which one?

>>213045
Personally I think it was too dark.

That cute one that people dismissed as being childish simply looks good

Should I buy 10 vert?

>>213047

the one that had the "awesome" expression. i liked the one with the green and yellow brazil-like colors. haven't saved it sorry, saw it at work.

>>213049
It looks good indeed.

>>213058
No.

>>213062
That's a no then.

Why don't you enjoy that beautiful weather outisde?

>>213065

oh well. i was just trying to help you, you and your crapcoin. keep on being stubborn and holding the bag.

>>213080
No need to be angry about it.

>>213049
And then our coin would be the only childish coin on the market. Can't people see that it can be an advantage?
Wasn't that why people prefer dogecoin over litecoin? Because the dog looks cute?
If we need to change the logo, I vote for the good looking kawaii one

>>213083
Is there a PND or Doge version of the "no need to be upset" pic?

>>213088
Noted.

>>213105

>>213108

amDoge did you order the copper coins and how long did you wait for them? Im in Berlin and ordered the copper one on 24.02. I havent received it yet.

Ordered a silver coin too today.

Are credit kill?

>>213121
I ordered one on 08.02 and got it three weeks later.

>>213123
Every altcoin is kill at the moment which includes credits.

>>213128
Thank you. I have another question.

What do you think of the house i will partially finance with my 1 million dogecoin once it hits ~30 cents/doge?

>>213130
I've seen a similar post before.

>>213131
Answer the fucking question

>>213133
It's a prebuilt.

>>213040
its not the only option you lying faggot...

>>213137
I know. Isnt it nice? I wont have to bother with craftsmen. I cant wait to build the house with my Dogecoin.

>>213140
Which other option is there that looks serious?

>>213141
It isn't.

>>213142
whats your definition of serious?

>>213143
do you want to be my grillfriend so we can build a house from scratch together?

>>213146
Something that makes you feel you're having something valuable.
Use this as an example.

>>213149
No.

>>213150
you mean something that looks like a generic coin...
so you wont accept anything that may stray from that definition.

>>213154
>you
I will be using what the community decides on but there are two opinions. All I'm doing is explaining my point.

>>213156
how does the community express its opinion? you dismiss all opinions other than yours.

>>213156
only 2 options? weve been posting a lot more variations of shit than that.

>>213161

this is the one I like. nice work, m8

>>213160
Maybe I'm writing it the wrong way or you're misreading what I'm writing.

>>213161
Opinions, not options. One side wants a cute and or funny logo, the other one wants a more serious one.

>>212944

wasnt making fun of of your english

was just wanting to know what exactly you had in mind

>>213165
okay my apology for misreading...

>>213163
2 of us worked on this, his idea, my variation... so

PND and Doge are dead.

>>213170
constructive comment of the day award goes to...

>>213170

>mfw $6/day from a 3mh rig

jesus christ

>>213183
And this is why you don't invest into mining hardware.

>>213088

then we will just be a Dogecoin knockoff

a copy of a joke

a witty copy of a joke would be something but its not even witty/smart in any sense of the way

>>213185
It's almost like PND was made by forking DOGE.

Almost.

>>213184

Missed train detected

I was racking up $60/day back in December. The rig paid for itself within a week.

Only idiots buy coins

>>213184
Who will be mining all the coins when there are no investors in hardware.

>>213186
Doesn't matter.

>>213186
yes, selling it as that will definitely get us buyers for the coin

>>213197
>>213190
I think you took my comment the wrong way, I like the 2kawaii4u version of the coin, because it's cute like DOGE

https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=500971.0
Look who's back. Let us have some fun, eh goys?

>>213177
faggot weeb

>>213189
I didn't miss the train, I just cashed out early.

>>213190
I don't know, but I don't see it working.

There was a link to a text file with some kanji? jap symbols for the coin...

anyone still have that link?

>>213213
I don't follow?

>>213217
It does.

>>213218
http://pastebin.com/UT3kWuTM

>>213217
Hush miles.

>>213220
k thanks..

>>213121
Are you me? I did exactly the same thing.

>>213183
wtf are you mining where you're only getting $6/day?

>>213209

yes but you also said that the kawaiiness will get people to like PND just like Doge

It wont because Doge was fresh in that way. It was meant to be a joke from the start and turned serious because it got a lot of people interested in it

making PND kawaii will only come of as ripping of Doge and it will be considered by most as that

>>213279
Considering PND is a git clone from DOGE it probably won't make a difference. I don't think any coin with 1M block reward is ever going to work after DOGE, which itself was nothing less than a miracle.

>>213285

the average user of the coin is not aware about the specifications of the coin

Doge became widespread because it was a memecon that forced spread everywhere possible, since miners didnt imagine doge would pickup any significant value they overwhelmingly gave it away

People who didnt understand how crypto worked were suddenly having access to Dogecoin and kept it for speculation purposes is what my hypothesis is

>>213294
The target audience would be a different one though. Bitcoin for china which is a first.

guys how are we working towards promoting dogecoin? i dont think itll ever get back up to what it was before

it just seems like alot of the hype is just gone. what does it have going for it now?

>>213307
>Bitcoin for china which is a first.

do chinese people like Kawaii stuff

I can imagine japanese but chinese?

Wouldnt Auspicious stuff like the color red and stuff be more appealing?

>>213310
>what does it have going for it now?

speculation

>tfw waiting a month for a GPU RMA

>>213310
Read /r/dogecoin.

>>213312
>do chinese people like Kawaii stuff
I'm not sure.
>Wouldnt Auspicious stuff like the color red and stuff be more appealing?
They do like their panda coins.

also, i thought PND died. are we trying to revive it?

ive been away for a few weeks so im kind of out of it right now

>>213324
>ive been away for a few weeks so im kind of out of it right now
Is this a new trend?

>>213325
i just stopped following the threads for a bit. the switch from /g/ to /biz/ also threw me off a bit

don't forget this one.

What should I do with my PND? Can I transfer to DOGE?

1 million are like 35€ on ebay.

>>213337
Throw it all away you wasted hashrates and its worthless

>>213337
keep holding, you're gonna be rich one day!

>>212927
url?

>>213373
http://shibemint.com

its working again..

OKAY well, I made a new coin design whilst shit wasn't working..
I really liked the tips coin re-design so its inspired by that..

>>213332
I really like this.

>>213217
You seem to be forgetting your trip a lot Miles.

>>213420
I don't use my trip anymore

>>213415
This is pretty gud actually

>>213423
Why not?

>>213332
this one is best, if we really must change the logo

>>213428
Because someone is blackmailing me.

>>213337
>>213337
>What should I do with my PND?

You can trade with it for LTC and Doge. You should try and make margins from it

>>213337
>Can I transfer to DOGE?

Sure you can. but would most likely get a shitty rate now and would easily kick yourself should PND even take off a little bit

>>213415

looks more like a regular bear rather than a panda other than that its gud

>>213415
I give this logo my blessing.

The PND coin shall use it. Be it.

>>213440
To not use your trip?Or is not using your trip the solution to the blackmail?

>>213443
okay... that's some useful feedback... ill no doubt have another play at some point..

>>213415
is that a cone? why is there a tip in the middle?

>>213453
They told me to stop posting or they'd call my employer, call my family and post "the rest" of my info online.
I don't even post in desktop threads anymore...

>>213460
Being Miles is suffering.

>>213415
i do not like this coin :/

>>213458
its what you get when you use angle gradient... I cant quite figure how to soften it and still make the coin look reflective...
but ill keep it in mind if I re do

>>213460
>>213440
>getting blackmailed in le 4chins

>>213462
well you can always open photoshop and make one,.

what don't u like specifica;ly?

>>213415

can you try with a bright red background

>>213470
it looks so grumpy :(

>>213415
Really awesome looking. Can we write stuff on the outer part? The specular thing in the center is really accentuated too

>>213472
k

>>213473
when I got some things cleaned up, I can upload the psd so ppl can write wtf they want..

im not really creative when it comes to txt...

>>213471
mhm... give time..

>>213472
Ya the reflection thing makes it look like it's furrowing it's brow

is doge kill?

>>213470
i did i made the gold one amDOGE posted.
i dont like the text around the rim, the color of the coin or the panda image. a more friendly panda could potentially save it

>>213489
Yes, sell now.

>>213489
yes, just send them all to me

>>213499
>>213500
okay sir!

haven't synced my wallet for like 3 weeks though

>>213501

should have just used android wallet

>>213495
if your the guy who made the gold one, who uploaded the PSD the other day then the text is yours.

de, pointed version...

Holy pump!
What is going on here?

>>213508
>tfw i was just daytrading and sold my DOGE at 140 satoshi

>>213415
Bear coin?

>>213527
Pandas are bears bro

>>213507
no the text is from someone else and i just left it in incase someone wanted to use it

>>213507
would you maybe try one with a red panda? i think that would be nice

k version without text.. if anybody has any ideas on what it should say... you can even msn paint it, and I can do it proper later..

>>213544
my other problem with this is that the combination of the texture and color make it look like it is made of imitation leather, which imo is not something you want for a coin

Miss me yet?

>>213559
okay, I can change that so some different scratches, make it look more metal..

http://en.inkei.net/vagina/a/pnd!doge!20140314

>>213471
one for that guy.. ignore text..

>>213574
wtf am I looking at?!

>>213565
yeah kinda

>>213565
Without wolong PND has lost much of its purpose, sadly. Also wolong's pumps were great for daytrading.

>>213574
lewd.

But also, shouldn't Doge be the male and PND the female?

Just saying

>>213540
I will when I find an appropriate image...

gotta go eat and shit.. back later.

>>213614
cool

>>213544
Looks like a sleeping Pandada

>>213578

Looks good

i however looked up how to use red color to promote a product in china

Apparantly you have to use the color subtly and using it too much will is unwise

Purple is however considered a better choice apparantly

Can you switch Red with purple also use some Red in ther but dont use red for text because in china writing in red is done to terminate an existing relationship

So make it mostly Purple with some Red

Btw

What the fuck is wrong with bitcoin? It should have left 700 behind days ago
Trades are low
Prices are a joke
BTC is kill

So I made a crypto news site yesterday, how do you guys like it so far?
daily-crypto.com

>>213666

>>213664
Then sell all your BTC, friend.

>>213673
i have none

.

>>213675
>He doesn't have any BTC

It's like you hate money.

>>213666
Well it looks good so far, but you need more articles

>>213680
i have dogecoin so shut up, slut

>>213682
>He doesn't diversify his stocks

>>213686
you dont either

>>213666

Needs more articles also include pictures and thumbnails for the articles

try to put some click bait articles on the bottom and on the right, guaranteed traffic

>>213714
Noted, thanks for your feedback.
Also anyone can post something and I will write about

wow cryptos have become so boring. nothing exciting happens, no profit, miners heating up air, new coins fail mostly... nothing that's worth mining at the moment.

https://twitter.com/MintPalExchange/status/444441974096293888

>>213778
I prefer boring to blatant manipulation.
Right now unless a coin whores itself to early adopters it dies within a month, which for some of the coins is a shame and also if a coin is too slanted to early adopters it dies anyway since nobody else wants to bother.

Open question to everyone:

What are you holding right now?

I'm feeling like i need to diversify some more.

>>213778
Over saturation. Now is the time to pick an already launched coin(s) and shill it to Neptune.
I pick dogecoin and pandacoin of course.

>>213790
Get octo coin before the block reward lowers to 88
There'e only 600 blocks left

>>213785
>mfw I have 20m PND

>>213790
doge btc and some 888 that i cant fucking dump thanks faggot

>>213790
PND, ANI and DRK

I'm new, I got into crypto with PND and later decided to mine both ANI and DRK, intend to hold very long-term

>>213460
miles, that is horrible.

Want me to shitpost in desktop threads until they stop bullying you? Or perhaps you want to enjoy the blackmailing a little longer ^_-

>>213796
how do you shill

I'm surprised we haven't seen more movement in alts recently considering BTC has absolutely flatlined the past few days.

Normally day traders get bored and move over to alts for a while.

>>213817
HEY FAGGOT BUY BLACKCOIN!

IT WILL BE 9 TRILLION SATOSHI ONCE WE HIT CRYPTSY.

...lie basically.

I sometimes "shill" coins here in a joking way to try and gain attention.

but when people make unreasonable promises or try to gain support for a coin with no new features it's a good sign they are just in it for opportunity to cash out.

Stablecoin is a great example of a shillcoin.

It's currently at about 400-500 satoshi.

It was once worth 40000 satoshi.

Stablecoin might come back, but the people trying to get buyers at 40000 satoshi knew perfectly that it was a bubble, they just wanted bagholders.

>>213790
coins that died in last month

credits
pnd
panda
poker
rapid
fedora
smart
moon
net
lucky
lotto
galaxy
net
ron paul
diamond
redd
which am i missing in this list?

what am i still holding?
doge
mint (not sure tho because smells failure)
exe (sold 50% at the last peak)
gpu (smells dead tho, because ceo seems to be fucking ipo scammer)

trains i missed
vert
aurora
spain
black
dark
maza
...

profit i expected since starting to mine: 5k
profit i actually made (including hold coins at actual price) ~3btc

If you aren't mining PND, why aren't you guys mining on scryptguild?

>scryptguild
>not wafflepool

>>213826
well i dont know if i can do that. shilling pnd for instance seems quite worthless
i also don't think, that shilling makes much, because everyone is shilling his shitcoin. who listens to shills at all?

>>213831
because its mining litecoin right now :/

>>213831
> wafflepool
can you choose which coins you want to hold?

>>213827

>what am i still holding?
>mint (not sure tho because smells failure)

I still feel good about mint. but i did cash out 1/4 since there is evidence of a drop to 15 satoshi in the short term.

I still like it as a long term coin but it's making sense for me to spread out rather than holding everything in mint.


>vert

Looks to be trending downwards and trying to find a price i might buy when it hits a floor.

>aurora
same going down but nice for the longer term.

>black
Getting alot of hype now but i don't think i want to buy. Looks like a big pump.


>>213832
>who listens to shills at all?

Nobody that want's to actually make money.
Best advice i've got is just to do your own research.
I've only recently actually started making profit on cryptos and it only happened when i stopped following the herd.

>>213831
also how much are you getting /mh?

>>213820
with the actual price of btc, mining doesnt even return electricity cost, unless you are lucky and get early on a train that really scoots off like aurora or vertcoin.
i am basically holding all my btc hoping that it will reach 1000 soon again. i am puzzled though, that it is not rising again yet, since the media FUD went away and a few big wallstreet players pondering around getting into btc
http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/03/move-over-small-time-bitcoin-exchange-startups-wall-street-has-arrived/

Hey amDOGE whats your analysis of the recent drop in the profitability of altcoin mining?
>market contraction?
>culling the shitcoins?
>oversaturation of miners?
>the first effects of scrypt-ASICs?

I'm evaluating building a 3 mh/s rig for about $1800 when I get my first paycheck from my first real job, but I'm looking at a pretty damn long ROI of a half a year or so. I'm looking at $10/day about from that rig, whereas just a month or two ago only 1000 mh/s was generating close to $10/day. I know alts have lost a good bit of value this past month.

>tldr what insight can you offer to a noob miner who wants to leave behind the potato lifestyle

>>213837
is that minting on mint even working yet?

>>213846
>is that minting on mint even working yet?

yeah.

It's kinda like the community only woke up after it finished PoW.

It just got it's first fiat pair so thats kewl i guess.

>>213846
i got like 500 last days for holding 1.5m so it is not really worth it at the current price, even if it's basically free coins.
>>213837
i dont think if mint would make it. i am holding but nothing seems to influence the market at all, it keeps flatline. end of pow did literaly nothing, new logo and shilling as well. people still dump mints short while they would be required to hold them instead, which was the whole point on which the value-increasing claims were made on.
also i am sceptical, if that deflationary concept works at all...

>>213848
>no money
>no job
>want to dump $1800 into a rig for $10/day
>assuming $3/day electricity, a breakeven point at Day 257
>ROI shrinking daily
>cryptos could collapse on any given day

On what planet is that a good idea? No wonder you're unemployed.

>>213851
>>i dont think if mint would make it. i am holding but nothing seems to influence the market at all, it keeps flatline. end of pow did literaly nothing, new logo and shilling as well. people still dump mints short while they would be required to hold them instead, which was the whole point on which the value-increasing claims were made on.
>also i am sceptical, if that deflationary concept works at all...

yeah the market is undeniably running sideways right now.
I like slow and steady builds so if it went up by 10 satoshi a month i'd be pretty happy.

I'm still at the wait and see stage.

I'll give it a few more months before i write it off as dead, whatever happens it's done pretty well for me.

Also there is still plenty of PoW coins being sold since plenty of people are still coin hopping.

>>213853

No you fucking nigger. I'm a recent college grad with absolutely no debt, 4k in savings, starting B2B sales Monday with a 30k base salary and uncapped commission.

>why are you even on this board if you don't believe in crypto?

>>213848
>I'm evaluating building a 3 mh/s rig for about $1800
dont. not at the moment. unless you plan for the future thats foggy but hopefully will turn out brighter.
at the current btc price i make like $1.50 per fucking day after electricity cost. well ok in germany here electricity is expensive because merkel is a fucking asslicker to the big companies but still, even in usa the current profit is like $10/day, so even working at mcd brings you more...

>>213869
Dogeoshi.

Is PND ever going to go back up?

I didn't think it go any lower. But is has...

What comes after the Litoshi market lol.

>>213869
Dogeshit aka Satoshibe

>>213848

3MH rig for $1800?

Is this a joke. Gridseeds do 25MH and are about £50 each.

>>213860
if it would increase slow but steadily at least. but nothing happens at the moment. people even sell below 18 satoshi, which is pretty dump. but thats like exe, that just raced up to 29,000 satoshi and then dropped again to 10,000 and still people kept selling at 10,000, why ever

>>213872
>>213874
shibetoshis

>>213863

Power would cost me $3/day, and I will have free power the first few months. I also don't believe that altcoins will just die off, though I do think we will start moving away from the new shitcoin every day we've been seeing since Doge's success.

>>213875
>about £50 each.
lol wtf. they are 300€. where do you want to get them for £50

>>213875

link please and has anyone actually gotten ahold of these things yet?

I'm not going to preorder from some company that doesn't have a proven track record.

>>213877
it's still pretty young.
But i understand the frustration too.

>>213881

Actually that may have been SHA. My bad.

The reason PND doesn't go up is because there's an abundant supply while there is little demand, and any demand that is can be supplied by mining at low diff, so if i'm not spilling shit, we need more miners to up the difficulty?

>>213879
i hope we will, these shitcoins make it hard not to miss trains because with the flood of new coins its easy to pick the failures

>>213887
yes

>>213887
Wolong defeated us with his 1 satoshi sell wall. The hashrate died and it is difficult to recover such a thing without initial hype. Once it stops, a coin kind of dies.
We should just admit defeat and help Wolong next time instead of opposing him.

>>213887
maybe more gambling would do it. its pretty much as valuable as confetti now and we have a few bagholders with millions.
i am thinking about writing a gambling site but i just dont know what game it should be. poker is too complicated, maybe blackjack, which is easy to implement, but that could drain the house quickly.

>Prelude by Moolah. The digital currency exchange that supports every coin on our platform. Goes live tomorrow at 6PM GMT. #dogecoin

https://twitter.com/moolah_io/status/444566396501254145

>>213893
>Wolong defeated us with his 1 satoshi sell wall.

that was avenge, not defeat.

>We should just admit defeat

first we defeated him and his crew of failure aspie devs. even if it was easier than we thought.

>and help Wolong next time instead of opposing him.

fuck you

>>213902
So Moolah goes live tomorrow?

>>213904
Yes. Much to my shekels rejoice.

>>213902
>>213904
what will that bring. every new exchange just causes all coins that it supports to drop, because whales start to dump price.

>>213893
>help Wolong

Here is the reddit thread

http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/20fh7o/moolah_announces_prelude_a_digital_currency/

>>213909
nice.

>>213906
What I say may be biased because I'm a Moolah investor, but new exchanges work exactly to make harder to whales to manipulate the prices, both up and down.

>>213911
as much as i have seen now was that every coin that got added to too much exchanges dropped in price. the bigger the exchange was the deeper the drop. at opening the price increased just to be dumped soon after.
i was cheering for any exchange that took my fav coin atm but today i think it's better when a coin only has very few exchanges that still has volume

>>213911
I emailed moolah twice about the investing, and I never got any replies.

what do you think of this?

>MtGox Coin
>Idea

If you're one of those many who lost money on Empty Gox or you didn't lose any but want to help us recoup what was lost please help us grow this new coin. This is our chance for all of us to win the lost money back. Mine and invest early in MtGox Coin to get back what you lost and more!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=506287.0

already at 8 difficulty

>>213920
same here. no replies.

>>213917

Yeah this is true.

Recently any coin that gets added to Cryptsy or Mintpal immediately dies.

PND, PANDA, CTM. CAGE, RBBT, FLAP, TOP, PENG etc.

>>213864
So you have very little money and a low-paying job and you want to know whether we endorse spending half your savings on something that will net you a McDonalds value meal daily 270 days after you start mining...

>>213923
A coin whose entire purpose is to dump the premine at launch in order to maybe compensate people who didn't see the writing on the wall at Gox?

I really don't see a plan there beyond the first three days of the coin's existence.

>>213923
I'm still the family pariah for telling my mom to use mtgox to buy bitcoins when they were going for ~$135 (I thought the low price was a steal).
They also hate me because I would always talk about BTC which is what got her interested in buying them in the first place.

>>213920
Same here.

I benefited from not tying up my money in moolah however so i'm not that mad about their shitty communication.

Also they seem to be doing good shit for alts in general so i can't really feel too annoyed.

>>213923
Just another protest coin.

Like PND or antikeisercoin.

>>213930
>Recently any coin that gets added to Cryptsy or Mintpal immediately dies.

>PND, PANDA, CTM. CAGE, RBBT, FLAP, TOP, PENG etc.

None of those coins were really anything special though were they?

But i agree.

Being added to cryptsy used to be a reason for a coin to celebrate. now it's a reason to panic.

>>213930
because none of them have any real innovation and the only reason the coins existed in the first place was to be exchanged for BTC.
It's what you can expect.

>>213935
yeah its pretty much that. i just wasnt sure

>>213941
ouch.

Yeah i saw plenty of people giving the advice to put money into mtgox.

I wonder now if they were trolling or genuine.

>>213941
>trying to get btc from mtgox when they already been dead with their 300$ difference to normal exchanges
why ever one would do that...

>>213923
that's pretty clever

>>213923
why not just scam coin
or flop coin
or wait even better oooops coin
this shit is going down hard

>>213994
http://altcoingiveaways.com/index.php?topic=1209.0

So what should I do with my PND.

1. Cash it all out on Mintpal for 15LTC or whatever the fuck it's worth now.

2. Put a 1 sat order up on Swisskeks and wait a month

3. Continue to hodl and shill.

>>214004
>15LTC
jesus christ, how much pnd?

>>214012

~90 mil

I picked most of it up for 2-3 sat and it was all profit from other trades so it's not a disaster.

>>214004
The mintpal PND/LTC/BTC exchange is as dead as PND, you can actually trade PND/DOGE at swisscex

>>214026

Maybe I'll do that.

I think I'll cash it out and put it all on Satoshi Dice and see if I can win back my investment. If I lose than I'll be in the same position as now.

>>214019
sell for doge and put doge sell at 150, more profit

>>213937
>Recently any shitty liteclone that gets added to Cryptsy or Mintpal immediately dies
As it should be.

>>214065

I dunno, I miss the days of being able to pick up a coin cheap before it got on Cryptsy and then make some easy gainz.

Some of the penny pumps were cool too like Moon, it'd take too much BTC to do that now.

I miss the action too, coins moving up and down, having to respond to market movement etc. Now coins just flatline or head straight down and then stop completely. Mintpal even had to start removing some of the BTC markets because there were no buy orders whatsoever after they got dumped down to 1 sat.

So should I just bite the bullet and admit that buying 0.25BTC into PND was a bad idea?

amDoge still here?

>>214088
No.

>>214081
at leats you didnt buy panda at 50 sat cheer up and wait man

>>214075
Though coins being added to Cryptsy dying is no surprise, it's an exchange meant to dump, they even have an auto-sell feature, maybe it just isn't the time for the quick pump and dumps right now?

>>214081
Yes.

>>214091
Could you maybe add daily-crypto.com to the Miscellaneous top post?

>>214081
I put 0.20 BTC in at 3 sats. It went up to 9, then crashed, while I was asleep. Should have set a sell order.

>>214081
Dang goyim if you hated money i'd download the BTC 15GB blockchain and would took the burden off you.

>>214104
Noted.

>>214108
Thank you.

>>214107
and the best part about it is that it will never happen again :^)

>>214112
>not using multibit

>>214128
>implying i'm into BTC and would know what the heck is that.
Care to explain, and is that as secure as the BTC wallet?

>>214125
Probably. I've made up the loss by daytrading DOGE with the oscillations it's had lately, but I was hoping for PND to be at least a bit more fun.

At least it seems like the market for copycat shitcoins is now saturated, so hopefully the rate of creation will slow down.

>>214130
It's a lite version of the wallet, much faster.

>>214133
>will slow down.
It won't.

>>214140
If every new coin is DOA and devs can't even recoup their time investment by dumping the premine, then fewer people will try.
Assuming, of course, that the devs are rational; that may not be a safe assumption in cryptos.

>>214150
The problem is that everyone can make their own altcoin now which includes people new to the scene. 2014 is just the beginning.

>>214140
coin needs to have a cause
im sensing a fuckload of charity crypto inbound

>>214153
Look at who's talking. Typical example of a person with no skill to create a new shitcoin that fails within weeks.

Will doge ever each a dollar per doge?
I have about 5000 rom a couple months ago.

>>214155
It's like wearing a t-shirt. A statement is all that's needed.

>>214156
What?

>>214153
How do you set up a seed node though?Do you just get the IP of the machine with the full blockchain, include it in the .conf and when someone connects to the blockchain it starts downloading?

>>214161
Pretty much. A DNS Seed indexes most of the nodes that are seeding.

>>214166
And i assume that when people start connecting there is no need to keep the first seed node connected right?

>>214172
Pretty much.

>>214158
In my wildest dreams it does.

>>214174
Do you love me?

>>214177
50 cents?

>>214183
Probably not.

>>214184
Imagine what would happen to the 2B DOGE on doge-dice if they were worth $0.5

>>214187
Yeah, i though so.

>>214189
doge-dice has 2B DOGE?
Remind me to never gamble again

>>214191

>>214196
Top kek m8, so long as you pull when ahead you win.

>>214197

>>214202
I haven't gambled my DOGE, but I went to hexflouride's site once and I made some good 20k PND...
Then I lose that and another 10k, so I decided not to gamble again, you gave me one more reason

>>214207
Never wager more than you can afford to lose.

>>214203

>>214207
i made 2M from 100k i wish it was in doge...

>>214212
Which "Strategy" you used?

>>214216
don't gamble.

>>214216
Martingale mod
if you really care about the coins youre betting youll never win tho

>>214216
Probably the "positive variance" strategem

anyone tried cryptostorm.is?

>>214223
Martingale only works if you win before the doubling-up reaches your entire balance, which happens way too often for me.

What i´m doing with my 400k PND Coins now? Any ideas? :(

>>214231
Dropping onto my wallet of course.

>>214231
Giving them away, like to us

Alright, listen up because this bothers me.
I'm behind PND to support it. That includes my time, hashrate and two servers for the pool. Originally I offered only throwing together the wallet, then I opened a pool which has been running every since its first failure right on start. All fine with me.
The coin has reached its first goal quickly. A nice side effect was hitting three exchanges which apparently were used to kill the first wave of enthusiasm behind it eventually leaving everyone bitching about the price and disbanding most of the community.
What I'm asking from you now is to get active again. I can't be the only one, there are a few more people, mostly on irc but they get nervous as well, working on the coin. This project needs a community behind it.
I don't care about about the price on the market but /biz//g/ should at least try to hype it up again, otherwise I will be dropping it completely.
>but you have X amount of coin which you're only waiting for to dump
I don't need PND and I can easily switch back to the next most profitable coin this instant. What I'm asking for is activity which is, as explained, not done by constantly asking for the best way to dump your specific amount of coins.
>you're abusing your position in order to make us look bad
I'm here to support it and I'm not the only person involved.

>>214266
>What I'm asking from you now is to get active again.
how

>>214266
Calm down amDOGE.

>>214266
amDOGE finally tries to lead, i was already thinking the coin would reach 1 litoshi before it would happen.

>>214272
Anything will do. Shill it. Contact merchants that can accept it. We have coinpayments. We have many people that can help sending emails.

>>214274
?

>>214266
I love you baby, but it's over.

>>214280
>>214282

>>214266
Now that i remember you said you weren't a very good writer, thinking that amDOGE in her NEET awkwardness wrote this text to get more people to help the coin and revised it makes me go pic related.

>>214282
Nothing's over.
>>214266
Got any new targets?

>>214282
>>214283
You're under the impression that price is everything, correct?
Wrong. We are in the position to build up.

>>214288
The text probably yields many form and spelling errors.

>>214291
What about that one pizze place for instance?
http://www.picca.co.uk/#!contact/cee5

>>214296
*pizza even

>>214266

Then switch over and stop asking us to shill your shitcoin. It was only created to screw Wolong, nothing else.

>>214266
I think theres a general slump, depression in cryptos atm...

I agree ppl could do more,

I think tday we made some progress in new coin logo,
>>213415
when that's done and in place I think it`ll give ppl a new sense of motivation.

>>214280
>shill it
coin needs something to shill about. what does pnd have? kgw and low difficulty but no market, no price. that's not a good ground to base shilling on.
i think, we really should think about adding features, relaunching it. low difficulty and something, that makes it worth to mine and then you can shill.
pnd is still a mere dogeclone with kgw, there is no reason to favour it and honestly, i myself wouldnt be watching these threads if i would not be a bagholder. we need another feature!

>>214266
Its OGER dump now!!! PND is ded

>>214303
The first thing that could be done is to change the block reward. Even DOGE got rid of that fucking joke, but we should go one step further and go with the system that was proposed a while back in this thread.

>>214308
the block reward is acutally nice, its better to have 10,000 coins thatn 10. its boring to mine coins with low block reward, also psychology. additionally it would not be fair to change block reward now, you would have some coin holders with 10-100million and with new reward some with 300 coins or something.
i was more thinking about pos maybe, but i dont know if it makes sense to compete with mintcoin who's not doing really well atm with its pos.

>>214301
Do you see the many comments asking for
>where can I dump my worthless PND
>PND is dead right
>i invested x amount of doge / ltc / btc
I think it's in favor of everyone to at least have it going again. At least having it tried.

>>214302
Every other coin is indeed down right now.

>>214303
I personally can't think of anything appealing right off the bat. What needs to be removed is the random reward which is probably going to be after the first halving.

>>214296
I shouldn't be the on explaining this to you.

In order to get a coin successful, you need quite a few more things than a few guys from 4chan chilling it.

You need tons of miners, so the difficulty goes up. You need reddit in this, like dogecoin did/does. You need services coming out of everywhere so people buy or mine the coin for something. You need a marketplace, while doge does not have one, it has dogemarket, which serves pretty well. You also need a lot of hype.

PND does not have any of these. The network hashrate is poor, reddit is not in it, services are very few/non-existant, it does not have a marketplace (a subreddit with 8 threads which most of them are over 20 days old is NOT a marketplace), and the hype is well dead already. That sell wall at FUCKING 1 SATOSHI kills all and buying intentions from anyone.

I am sorry, for you worked very hard on it and gave up a lof ot resources in order to create and make the coin a little successful, but in all honesty I think the coin is over.

You'd be better off by renaming the coin and relaunching it.

And yes, in case it wasn't clear, I am under the impression that price is everything.

>>214314
removing the random might be good. its just not such a big thing to put in big letters in the bitcointalk thread
>"NO RANDOM REWARD NOW"
rly... well yay.. i guess..

no we need something bigger beside of that.
unfortunately all i can think off now already has competition on the shitcoin market.

what IS pnd? what makes it different?

>>214296
>You're under the impression that price is everything, correct?
No.

But it is something.

>>214314

Why is it in everyones favour? Why would anyone pick up on this coin when its obviously dead and needs an enormous pump to be revived

>>214319
>sell wall
maybe its good when pnd is removed from mintpal, thats the only way to get the sellwalls gone. meanwhile we could think of something that generates interest

>>214319
I'm aware of the issues you're listing. The further we're letting it die the sooner it will be dead.
There are still some people involved with it so I guess that's something.
>And yes, in case it wasn't clear, I am under the impression that price is everything.
Again, you are wrong.

>>214329
The main treat it had and why people jumped onto it was the spite for wolong but that's hard to market.

>>214337
Everyone that has been involved with it so far.

what if we throw all features that are available together and then decide about what we could consider to add.
there are things from scrypt-n or other different hash functions or pos to games inside the coin, like huntercoin or lotto, so there is much to pick from

there must be a reason to mine that coin now, instead of one of the 1000 other shitcoins

>>214360
>>214360
>>214360
>>214360
>>214360

>>214356
>Again, you are wrong.

That is your opinion as the developer of the coin.

99,98% of the people that trade/mine a coin is interested in its profitabilty and its price.

>>214371
That's my experience from being 5 years into cryptocurrencies.

>>214356

Answer the second part of the question

>>214337

Time to stop your terrible bias towards this coin friend. Just cut your losses and move on. Nobody is gonna pump btc into this

>>214266
>>214302
daily reminder that
>we already bought ads with fiat using the original logo, we forced the other pandacoin to rebrand so there's no confusion, there was a poll that overwhelmingly said we shouldn't change the logo, and even ignoring all of that the contest on the reddit doesn't even have a prize.

>but the prize is seeing the coin do well!!!!!
>can everyone open photoshop and just make something? you never know, we could have a happy accident

>>214375
Let me rephrase everything and re-write it in a shorter way for you to understand how I feel:

If a coin is not profitable or promising, 90% of the people wont pay attention to it.

You can see how many peope bought at 6-10 satoshi because it went in an upwards trend, because it looked promising.

>>214379
>>214386
I'm seeing the issue. Which is why I'm urging you to act and to either let it die a proper death or make it successful. No one can look into the future, not even I'm able to.

>>214395
Good luck with it. I already sold my part for DOGE a few weeks ago, so I wont be able to help you. Not that I would make a big difference, any way.

>>214395

Why would I act? Look at the huge sellwall. That and the fact this coin has nothing going for it. I am also an investor in altcoins and this just points to a dead coin.

Rather than spreading ourselves thin, its in the best of our interest to put our time and effort around the coin which started these threads.

>>214266
I thought it was created just to kill Wolong's coin and then to sell back for doge? So PnD is serious now?

>>214411
>Not that I would make a big difference
Do you think so?

>>214414
Read
>to either let it die a proper death or make it successful.

>>214420
I'm not sure.

>>214434

You keep avoiding my question. Cant blame you since youre the biggest bagholder.

>>214434
>to either let it die a proper death or make it successful.
That a huge deathflag, we better make it succesful.

>>214451
I've answered it twice.
To explain it short and simple - for the fun of it. Is that enough?

I don't see how saying the price doesn't matter we need more services makes sense.

The price is what drives services not the other way round. Why would anyone adopt us or accept PND for anything when they can't convert for fiat or even BTC at the moment.

No buy orders = No liquidity = No services

>>214458

Loads of fun for you - So you can dump it. I get no fun off of reviving a dead coin and I doubt many others will.

>>214497
Please read >>214266 again.
The section below "but you have X amount of coin which you're only waiting for to dump" in particular.

>>214500

Im not buying that. Having that many coins will only resort to greed that why you need more people to shill for you. Mining with a decent rig isnt free either so you're surely not in it for the "fun of it".

Im not even trolling, a lot of people will have a similar view like I have and you'd have to come up with better reasons as to why we should shill this.

>>214523
Fuck off, amDOGE is pure.

>>214523
1. There are two types of coins for me. The ones that I'm planning on dumping and the ones that I'm supporting. BTC, LTC, DOGE and PND are of the latter.
2. I've had the opportunity to dump every single coin on three different exchanges.
3. I'm currently supporting PND by
>time, hashrate and two servers for the pool
Do you honestly think that I would bother doing any of those when not wanting the coin to succeed?
4. I've been accused of dumping the coin countless times beforehand. If you've been here for more than one week you should have encountered one of those occasions.

>>214548

Whatever, still not buying this. At least drop the shitcoin from mixing with doge topics.

>>215435
No.