/biz/ - Business & Finance

>what if we make it free

something tells me this is simplified a tad

>”I have failed as a man and need you, another man, to provide for me”

>>20753161

If you’re a working person, you’re providing for your boss and capital owners while getting scraps in return

make what free?

>>20753098
we have the best thing so far

>>20753098
replace the word Capitalist with Government and you have communism. luckily under capitalism there is competition and you have the freedom to buy from and work for any company you choose. under communism you have no option but to lick the government boot and remain in poverty your whole life.

Any communist in the USA can pick up their life and to live in a commie commune right now where everything is "free", provided they contribute to the community.

The reason they don't do this is because the working for the community part of communism is the deal breaker for them. They want free everything and no work. That's not communism. That's simple freeloading.

>>20753238
if that’s how you feel you’re free to quit any time you want and go work for another employer that offers better pay, equity in the company, etc. or you can always start your own business. but let’s be honest you won’t do any of that because you’re a low IQ nigger with no discernible skills that just wants to sit on his ass and make others support his pathetic existence while contributing nothing

National socialism is the best form of governance.. that or Shariah. Either way usury needs to go.

>>20753452

>You can either quit and go to a better master or start exploiting people yourself

Jewish system. Individual subsistence farming is where it’s at.

>>20753281

>over the last two centuries

>>20753098
In a capitalist society everyone has an equal opportunity to rise (ideally), and those who have risen, are also able to fall.

>>20753281
How many had sex?

>>20753452
>quit any time you want and go work for another employer that offers better pay,
Escape the plantation and be slave to a nicer slave owner!

>>20753579

>and those who have risen, get trillion dollar subsidies at the taxpayers expense while telling working people to live within their means

>>20753452
This

>>20753238
So? I sucked my boss dick once.
Wasnt gay, just awkward.
I tought the son of a bitch would at least throw me a bone, like a raise.
Fuck niggers and trannies.

Capitalists: hundreds and thousands of stakeholders own different parts of the economy, with all sorts of different hierarchies and competing interests that ensure some level of freedom.

Communists: nah let's hand literally all of that over to a collection of a few men in one single group who can decide everyone else's fate from where they live to what they eat to what they do.

Oh look, this thread again.

>>20753452
>t. Low IQ BRAINLET
Nice try, Israel

>>20753098
Exactly FUCK THE REPUBLICANS THAT ACT AGAINST THIER OWN INTEREST

>>20753238
Actually, your boss is providing you with a job. If you're creating value for your boss why should your boss pay you?
Do you voluntarily pay for things you don't value?

>>20753579
Not really, no.
Less than 1% of people that make it were doing pretty good.
>But Elon Musk was a Mine worker

>>20753796

mmmmm

>>20753819
>>20753238
>If you're NOT creating value for your boss why should your boss pay you?

>>20753452
>Says on a chinese girl image board for get rich fast scams

>>20753741
communism and government are opposing ideas you absolute mouth breathing retard

just read the fucking manifesto, it's not that long

Communist teenagers think their labor should be worth more. They also think borders are evil and we should let all the third world niggers in. They don't see the conflict.

>>20753098
Young Americans are so fucked, so many people think communism is something that can work due to decades of propaganda.
Communism is like giving absolute control to the biggest bully in the entire school and expecting him to give you free shit. In reality you're going to be a slave and everything is going to become worse.
In America there's additionally a racial aspect where every white person is treated like a rich 'kulak' even if they are poor as fuck. Poor whites would lose the most in any communist takeover.

There's a reason why socialist countries have to build walls to keep people in and capitalist countries have to build walls to keep people out

I'm disturbed by the number of free-loader commie niggers in this thread. Fuck all of you redditfugees, go back and whine about capitalism in your safe-space, you useless wastes of oxygen.

>>20753890
explain how communism works in reality please

>>20753741
>t. Capitalist wannabe
Cringe.
>t. Based actual capitalist

>>20753098
Get a job you useless piece of shit!

>>20753927
It doesn’t and my digits prove it

>>20754001
Oof, so close friend. Don't gamble like that.

>>20753238

I started my business with $3000. I worked alone for 4 years. Now I have 2 people under me and I'm on track for $100k this year.

So what exactly is stopping people?

In capitalism entrepreneurs and risk takers MUST be rewarded or the system doesn't function. However the reward should never be so extreme that the people at the bottom are being taken advantage of. And if they are then rules should be put in place to stop it from happening. Socialism doesn't work at all, but capitalism can work for everyone IF the right rules are in place.

I start my guys at $20 per hour and give them profit share.

>>20754030
Congratulations anon, I would love to start a business. What kind of business did you start (feel free to be as vague as you want)?

>>20753890

Communism, on a scale greater than 100 people, can only be administered and carried out by a government, dumbshit

>>20753741

>Capitalism: precisely 612 billionaires control the US economy

>>20753098
Go ahead. Do it.

>>20753823

Lmao no he wasn’t, his daddy owned the mine ffs

>>20753098
>free

>>20753098
>WHAT IF WE MAKE IT FREE INSTEAD?

>>20753890
To bad human nature defies your cute little utopian wet dream.

>>20754030
The most patriotic thing you can do is create jobs. You're my fuckin hero.

>>20754237

Well, that's 612 more entities than a singular, non-democratic government. And you're being disingenuous: every billionaire has hundreds of people under him who have a stake as well, and thousands below that, etc.

>>20753098
money is a mistake, but communism is worse than capitalism. communism works by forbidding, banning doing certain things, that's all. power hungry people only become worse because now they can't openly pursue power, they have to act like they have other purposes in mind. status becomes the sole commodity, and it's actually way worse than money.

whatever will fix money will be naturally better than it. people will just not want money anymore. might have to become a type 2 civilization first, but i doubt it. someone will come up with something that will simply work way better than the current system, and will naturally replace it, eventually.

>>20753098
No we dont. Productivity is usually going downhill in the long run in communist contries, since faggots start doing the bare minimum to not get shot. They get anything they need for free anyway.
There is a reason most communist nations are shitholes full with propaganda, no one would work without.
Capitalism (with at least some regulations) is not perfect, but by far the best system we can have.

>>20754380
What the fuck are you babbling about? "Money" is the word we use in place of the acronym M.O.E. witch stands for means of exchange.

>>20754081

Flooring installation wood, laminate and tile.

Simple shit and the money is good. Realistically if you can learn roofing or HVAC right now you will make a killing.

>>20754314

I try.

>>20753098
It’s not exactly capitalism, idiot.
The Kabbalists counterfeit all the money and loan it with interest. It’s why working people are worth less every decade, but either way you should stop being a faggot.

>>20754380
Seriously. Re-read what you wrote but instead of money or capitalism say "exchanging things" it's fuckin gibberish.

>>20753281
>literacy is a good thing
>democracy is a good thing
>lower mortality rates are a good thing

>>20754317

Lmao even factoring in your disingenuous addition of henchmen you’re basically at the same level as the party bureaucracy or noble class in feudalism. Capitalism is just feudalism with iPhones.

We just need a gigantic super computer as a world government and no nations

>>20754314

Top goy

>>20754867

This but unironically. Chile was actually working on this but then (((Pinochet))) came in

>>20754317
this
>>20754850
Still better than communism. I don't see why billionaires having a disproportionate amount of wealth means I shouldn't be able own multiple houses and rent them out.

>>20754867
check your mail

>>20753281
NOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T SHOW DATA YOU ARE HURTING MY FEELINGS

>>20754867
Don't check the mail anon

>>20753098
my wife's boyfriend shares my wife with me sometimes i even get a kiss on the cheek after she's done sucking his dick

This is the future capitalist nazis want to keep from you. Rise up.

>>20753650
this is a problem, i guess we should start with abolishing taxes

>>20754923
You won't get me dude

>>20753098
Produce a product or service in the civilized world or go live off the grid somewhere but don't complain about people being successful.

>>20753098
its called no jews(also leeches of the brain) and no leeches. heaven, war that matters even is heaven compared to this. dont worry though

>>20753281
>democracy is a good thing

>>20753281
>democracy
>Propaganda education

thanks england

>>20755166
You faggots are just as annoying as the communists.

>>20755128

Ask the founding fathers how that worked out, along with a weak central government LMAO

>>20753614
This. Sex is unironically on Maslow’s hierarchy of needs.

Communism is always one murder away from utopia.

>>20754903
>chile
>working before Pinochet

>>20755155

>Produce a product or service

I never knew Paris Hilton contributed so much to society

>>20755252
pretty fucking well because they just made government money off of international tarrifs.

>>20755255
>CUM ID
CHECKED

>>20755284
Entertainment = valuable

>>20755317

Except for all those taxes they had to levy on the population, like whiskey and paper goods. Also, you do know that tariffs are a tax...

>>20755284
Performers work harder than you'll admit

>>20755376

Yes, the wonders of capitalist society where nigger rappers and ball players make more money than ministers or blue collar workers. Based.

>>20755465
They sell something that people buy. Why are you so butt hurt about it? Fuckin do something. I make shit out of metal because I love it and people buy it.

>>20755549

Kek, imagine actually defending making and selling gangster rap. Capitalist society is completely amoral.

>>20755589
Morals are you're own.

>>20755662

t. Randroid

>>20755680

>>20753098
I'm sorry but what are you doing here? This board is the epitome of greed, you really think people will discuss a different system that will make NEETS not able to get rich anymore by trading internet coins? If you're a fascist go to /pol/, a theocrat to /x/, a socialist to /lgbt/, an anprim to /an/ or /x/, but this is the most ancap board here.

>>20755919

>ancap board
>full of scams and harebrained get rich quick schemes spouted by Dunning Kruger 4chan experts

Makes sense

>>20753281
>poor 3rd worlders have a better life
don't care, they shouldn't exist.
>basic education
Indoctrination to consume
>Literacy
again, 3rd worlders, don't care and they move to my country after reading about it
>Democracy
As bad as communism, full fascism and then monarchy now! (pic related)
>Vaccination
More 3rd worlders survive to breed = bad
>Child mortality
Again, more surviving to breed. The world population has gone up 6 billion in 70 years and is set to hit 15 billion soon. This is bad and these are not smart white people breeding, we are allowing Africa and the rest of the brownies to overpopulated because we are babysitting them.

#NotAll some brown people are alright but 95% are not and should have been culled at birth. capitalism is destroying our planet and communism would destroy us and solidify the jews and old-money families hold over humanity

Fuck usury!

>>20756336
Yes.

The fact that people can get rich via this board either from pure luck or scams is fucking stupid and shows this economy sucks. But I made relatively more money thanks to the retarted anons here than wageslaving.

But left wing economics still isnt the answer

>>20753650
>>20753823
Obviously there are issues
No system is perfect
Someone who grows up in a poor community is subject to less opportunity than someone who grows up in a rich family
But these things tend to even out over time. The children of billionaires usually don’t accomplish anything.
And with the internet, the availability of information, combined with the evolving digital economy is giving more and more people equal opportunity to compete

>>20756566
*with the internet, the availability of information, and the ever evolving digital economy...
More and more citizens are able to compete on an increasingly fair platform

>>20755194
lol dude freedom bad your just as bad as communists durrrrr

>>20757083
Without usury and central banks owned by jews we wouldn't have toe wage slaves and could live simple lives off the land (once we let the excess humans die-off probably). Ideally, a fascist state leads to a monarchy where a true and just ruler protects and serves his people. Having 'rep[resentitives' allows outsiders from the tribe (AKA jews) to hold influence over your people. Why is usury bad? Because money from nothing is illogical and against nature, it is not real.

I wrote a published article in a magazine on that, genocide and robots are the future

we tried something better but you called us antisemites

>>20753238
The money you get is proportional to the rarity and the usefulness of the job you accomplish, if you aren't paid much that mean your job is both easy to do and not very useful on its own (in the sense that you are just one among many).

Its possible that you are getting scammed by your boss but unlikely, and then it's your responsibility to look for you best interests.

>>20753281
>Democracy good meme

>>20753340
This right there, communism is just centralised capitalism with no escape and less efficiency.

>>20753098
>people should build and maintain my house for me and give me free food and water for no reason
Or, maybe we could just go around and cull the less desirables who can't contribute to our society

>>20753890
That's losing time on semantics, you perfectly knew that by communism he was talking about the political system that pretend to bring the pipedream that you call communism.

Capitalism is the driving force behind innovation. Innovation only happens because they want something to sell.

>>20757083
>why can't our country be free like nazi germany?

Why do people act like no one works in communist governments? They do.

>>20753098
>Just make everything free instead

>>20758078
yep even harder and earn less.

>>20753452

Based and bootstraps-pilled

>>20754850
>what is decentralization
A communist/socialist regime just mean that only one multi billonaire company has a monopoly on all industries and businesses, but also print money and control the police and the army.

>>20753650
>and when they fail they get trillions
that’s because real capitalism hasn’t been tried

>>20755284
>referring to Paris Hilton and no no the Kardashians
lmao how fucking old are you?

>>20756336
Do you own any coin? Stocks? Precious metals?