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>>20576906

Isn't this iExecs staple?

>>20576977
Render is for GPU rendering. People can get paid in RNDR to put their GPU to work in the cloud, and customers pay to use the combined GPU power for their projects, without having to buy very expensive GPU hardware. Similar to iExec but for actual graphics rendering

>>20576998
Iexec already has GPU processing.

>>20576906
>without having to buy very expensive GPU hardware
People who have a lot of need for GPU's such as video editors/graphics makers already have super computers where everything renders instantly. Why would they use a service like this?

>>20577131
Fair enough, I was unaware

>>20577161
Now you don't have to invest in GPU hardware.. things are going to head towards cloud computing. It gives all people access to cheap GPU processing services and allows you to earn money if you want to use your GPU to help. Plenty of info on the website if you're interested.

Actual live product with many use cases and famous users such as deadmau5 and interest from Coinbase and Binance

>>20576977
But unlike iExec rendertoken has an actual product, the Octane renderer, which is a leading rendering software used by 10's of thousands of 3d artists. And they already have their own cloud with thousands of GPUs and have been building the decentralized network in secret for much of the last 3 years.

The adoption will be massive, they can just shove thousands of their existing users to the decentralized cloud immediately. The only thing why this has been flying under the radar pretty much is because of the shit exchanges its on - but they said they will fix that soon and also Coinbase is considering listing them.

>>20577161
No they don't lol. Not everyone is Pixar. Your run of the mill 3d-artist will have a GPU in his workstation, but that takes 1-2 days to render a short video, so they ALL use rendering clouds for fast renders - and those are expensive as shit. No one can beat a decentralized cloud running on existing consumer hardware in pricing, which is why this would get adopted pretty quick. And its just the first use-case, AI-Training is being built as another branch which will require even more GPUs in the network.

>>20577301
Based, I don't think people realise how expensive a full video rendering station would cost, RNDR allows for people to get involved for a fraction of the cost. It's a no brainer really.

Just look at things like Google Stadia, NVIDIA GeForce Now too. It's just the start of shared GPU power!

Also, I guess that these studios are not rendering constantly, so they could rent their systems and generate some revenue out of it

>>20577382
>Google Stadia
KEK

>>20577631
Yeah Stadia is pretty wank, but you can't deny that it's the future once it gets really good

That's the thing, everything goes towards the cloud. It's like when apple removed the jack and everybody was laughing. Matter of time that it gets better and cheaper

>>20577643
maybe in like 10 years but video games are going to keep getting more complex and current streaming models can't sustain that. Compare the size of the PS4 to the PS5. The hardware is getting bigger.

what's the circulating supply and token release schedule? no info on gecko

>>20576906
The logo is horrible. Pass.

>>20577694
Compare the PS5 to a toptier PC lol. It doesn't really matter how complex the tech gets if it's being streamed

But the potential is there. It's like saying teslas drive alone, they don't. They still need you there. But the people buy Tesla because of the potential and because is the direction of the industry

https://etherscan.io/token/0x6de037ef9ad2725eb40118bb1702ebb27e4aeb24

93M circulating supply

>>20577740
Lmao if you click the post number in the corner of a comment you can reply directly to it, you just look like you're talking to yourself

>>20577715
>It doesn't really matter how complex the tech gets if it's being streamed
If that was true current streaming wouldn't be garbage. Streaming Video games is way more complex than streaming video their are way more variables and games are going to kepp adding new variables.

Thx for your wisdom

>>20577758
still did it wrong. I'm a new anon

>>20577774
I think you're over thinking it.. The tech is pretty new, the fact you can already steam some games at 60fps / 4k with hardly noticeable delays is a great sign for the future.

The internet speeds and stuff is already there, we just need the hardware and software efficiencies. As soon as something like RNDR becomes mainstream, the general populace can offer their GPU for payment to help this. If there is a huge pool of processing power that anyone can tap into, the future will be bright.

>>20576906
Already done by iExec since 2 years

Octane X | PR1 is out for macOS Catalina!

Topics:OctaneRender,Company News

Jul. 20, 2020 (15 hours)

LOS ANGELES, CA – July 20th, 2020— OTOY, Inc. is very proud to launch the firstpublic previewofOctane Xon macOS, introducing the leading unbiased GPU renderer to millions of Macs powered by Apple’s Metal graphics technology – and delivering the industry’s fastestOctaneBenchscore ever recorded for a single slot graphics card*.

Octane X is fully compatible with macOS Catalina and will be available for free**for new users on Macs with the release of macOS Big Sur coming this fall.


Octane X on Mac Pro Features

Completely rewritten mesh geometry engine optimized for AMD GPUs, supporting hundreds of millions of unique primitives per mesh instance, at high performance.

Near perfect linear scaling of rendering speed with multiple GPU configurations, including eGPUs connected over Thunderbolt 3.

Octane X RNDR server / Mac Pro as a render node: Leveraging 20Gb/s dual interconnect – the Mac Pro approaches InfiniBand interconnect speeds – and Octane X on Mac Pro will support up to 400 GPUs over network rendering.

56 Xeon CPU threads with up to 1.5TB of out-of-core memory surpasses (by far) the maximum scene capacity available on even the most expensive GPU rendering nodes on the public cloud.

* Ranking based on an OctaneBench (V4) score of 415 OB recorded by OTOY on the Apple Radeon Pro Vega II Duo MPX Module (default clock speeds, Mac Pro / macOS 10.15.6, Octane X | PR1), relative to the top score of 401 OB, as of July 20, 2020, listed on the public OctaneBench single GPU benchmarkhere.

**Octane X | PR1 is available today for current OctaneRenderStudioandEnterprisesubscribers. In the coming months, a full commercial version of Octane X, with one year of maintenance, will be made available – for free – to all new users activating Octane X on 2019 or later models of Mac Pro, iMac and MacBook Pro running macOS Big Sur.

>>20577858
This project started 3 years ago by a company that has real products way before that... They make Hollywood movies

>>20576906
>Looks at RLC team
>Looks at this copy cat's team
Nah I'm fine senpai

>>20577959
https://home.otoy.com/

Lol, what are you saying? They might even present Octane X in the next Apple Keynote

>>20577959
Don't buy any then :)

>>20577959

Otoy is literally a multibillion dollar company... how are they copying.

>>20577872
So it's literally nothing then, iExec project scale is to power everything from Dapps, smart-cities, ML and monetizing data all with hard security, not to be a distributed craiglist for a rendering software.
What you have there is Golem with a twist (they have a proprietary renderer, one among dozens), besides a side-project to an already existing company is bearish as fuck, they have no skin in the game.

>>20578096
>bearish as fuck

>>20578096

Jack of all trades, master of none ;)

>>20578173

Binance VS Coinbase?

>>20578149
More like sticking a gimmick token on top of a small proprietary (centralized) solution for easy ICO money instead of building a groundbreaking technology scaling the entire DLT space.
But hey it's alright, not everyone can be a pioneer in distributed computing.

>Actually believing you need a unique token to rent out cloud GPU rendering

You exist to be someone else's slave.

>>20578401
Implying you need a token for anything, your single digit IQ is showing

>>20578399
Sooner or later centralized companies will have to join decentralized products. Maybe otoy is a pioneer for that, integrating a blockchain product into a real working product.

>>20577161
pajeet from bangladesh need to run his keras script thank you very much sir

>>20577959
>> JJ Abrahms as an advisor
yeah obviously this is bearish as fuck

>>20578399
LMAO RLC fanboys just love shouting buzzwords. Meanwhile in all of RLCs existence there hasn't been a single person who has used the mainnet. Let that sink in. Every new version release is "the adoption version" but it never happens.

Real companies like Otoy (render token) have a product hundreds of thousands of committed users because they provide actually valuable products that outdo the competition. Sure jumping on every buzzword in blockchain and claiming you can do it is maybe nice for suckering in more retards in crypto, but as long as no one's using it, its worth shit.

>>20578553
That’s what iexec is doing. Way better company and is literally pioneers in distributed cloud computing.

>>20578645
Y-yes b-b-but RLC is the new Ch-ch-chainlink bros...

>>20576906
HEY YOU BUDDY GIMME ALL YOUR RENDERS I NEED THEM FOR THE NEXT AVATAR

>>20578722
It's nice to know Jew Jew Abrams has to buy MY Rendies for his next movie

>>20578722
Abrams has never made a good film.

>>20578739
But still makes more films that you and me and he wants to use renders to make them

>>20578739
what do you say you little bitch

>>20578755
>But still makes more films that you and me
That wasn't the statement
>>20578756
You are a budget Spielberg who just make okay films.

>>20578777
Checked, as long as he is buying my Rendies who the fuck cares

>>20578652
In three years there will be movies made with RNDR. In the meantime, RLC will continue being a pioneer

OTOY is more legit than any other crypto project...

Youre retarded if you think this isn't a lock

>>20578645
>buzzwords
None of it is buzzword, you're just too much of a brainlet to understand what iExec does and already did.

pro-tip: sticking a token on top of a network doesn't make it decentralized

iexec can render from v2 with any rendering software (they used blender to present usecase) golem can render too. what is so cool about this?

>>20578922
Render is owned by OTOY, just released Octane X
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/octane-x--pr1-launches-on-macos-301096250.html

>>20578854
I understand very well what they did and its not a viable approach for mass-scale cloud computing.

You don't need a full-ancap autonomous network for cloud computing, its not bitcoin. Speed, low-latency and high-compute power combined with efficient distribution & monitoring is what's needed to satisfy user demand and achieve a low price. No users of ML/Rendering are going to say "b-b-but the company of the renderer I am using is not running on a fully atonoumous network and the degree of organisational centralisation is too high for me to be using this product reeeeee I'd rather go and implement my own renderer on iexec!!"

>>20578922
this>>20578953

>>20578922
That they have an established product with a huge user base, and can instantly achieve mass-adoption once they open the network. Golem & iExec have 0 users because they are a pain to use and not cheaper then centralised services. Rendr network is directly into the product that many are using anyway, switching to the decentralised variant is just a click. And obviously these guys have huge industry clout and are a household name, they're literally rendering movies for Hollywood studios so marketing/market penetration & new user-acquisition is a given

>>20578953
rendering market does not seem that big and lucrative, just look at golem who are experts in this now. might get a pump to dump your ico tokens on pajeets. also token does not seem to be needed

>>20579021
wrong, Golem is very user friendly and cheaper than centralised solutions

>>20579024
>rendering market does not seem that big and lucrative
Yet

>token doesnt seem to be needed
What makes the token for render less needed than for iexec or golem?

>>20579050
it is not a no u question but i will bite. for iexec it is needed to stake as a safety deposit (lose tokens if you provide wrong computations) and sidechain staking as eth is too exoensive and too slow. for golem i dont know why it is needed

>>20579047
Not really, especially the token part is what's hindering adoption, the user group won't go to binance and buy tokens just to use a cloud-renderer + you need to install an extra application etc. In rendertoken you are likely using Octane with their centralised cloud rendering already anyway, the switch to the decentralised network is barely noticeable on the frontend and you pay with a credit card, getting tokens from the exchange is done in the backend.

And obviously rendering is only the first use case, the network is general purpose and can be used for AI training to e.g. Their company revenue is somewhere north of 10M for now. Thats 10M more than iexec or golem.

>>20579106
there is staking coming for RNDR

>>20579166
Is there unofficial telegram/discord do you know? The official one is pretty much only for announcements. I would like to chat to my fellow rendies

I just wanna know why the liquidity sucks so bad on uniswap. If RNDR just added some liquidity this could go very hard

>>20579240
RenderTokenChatUnofficial

>>20579240
search for this buddy >>20579292
were waiting there for you

>>20577281
>Rlc doesn't have a product
Dumb ass. I hold rndr but get your facts right you'll make the project look dumb

>>20579292
>>20579322
Based, thanks lads <3

>>20579348
So what's the project then ? They have a distributed computing network, sure, but they don't have a customer facing product/dApp that could generate adoption. That part is left over to 3rd parties, but as of now, there are none notable.

>>20579410
>adoption
>he hasn’t seen who chairs the Security Consortium for Cloud compute
>he hasn’t see the background work
>implying normies will ever trust crypto after the 2017 dump

You are a dumb nigger pajeet kike

>>20579489
>implying normies will ever trust crypto after the 2017 dump
You have to be a brainlet to believe this

>>20578756
God I hate slimey kikes. Not touching this shitcoin

>>20579610
>doesn't want to take the jews money
>only wants to take white mans money
NGMI

>>20578954
Kek it's DADI all over again, newfags are clueless.

OTOY controlling the marketplace and getting a toll fee everytime someone processes a render isn't bringing anything new on the table at all, it doesn't solve anything.
They could do the exact same thing with a SQL database, they wouldn't be able to jew you out of your money and bullshit their boomer investors with blockchain talk though.
Good luck attracting concurrents on this shit btw, I'm sure Redshift and Arnold are dying to join.

>You don't need a full-ancap autonomous network for cloud computing
You literally do, if you don't have an in-protocol consensus method to verify computations you will get fed horseshit results by some actor on the other side of the planet.
I haven't seen anything about how they plan to address data privacy (which is the big reason iexec is working with Intel and co on TCF, it's the key stone that allows the whole thing to work), I have huge doubts big studios will let their 100 millions movies being rendered by god knows who btw.

>I'd rather go and implement my own renderer on iexec!!
That's what the concurrents will do because reinventing the wheel is retarded when you can just plug your render engine in with iExec SDK and let actual experts deal with the subtilities instead of doing something completely out of their field.

>>20579322
Wow a bunch of big names with absolutely no relevant expertise in distributed computing who probably write a line of code for the last time in 1995.

I'm sure they didn't just give them ICO money in exchange of letting them putting their photos on this website.

Imagine still falling for 2017 marketing tricks.

>>20579823
if thats the only fud its bullish af
ngmi

To the faggot talking about Goolag Stadia:
Streaming vidya will NEVER work until the latency issue is addressed. Wait until quantum entanglement internet (kek).

There are real uses for distributed GPU processing, streaming games in not (yet) one of them.

>>20579867
Based, only weak FUD from scared iExec cucks

>>20580034
Do you enjoy pretending you know what you are talking about?

>>20580034
Iexec will make it possible. Fuck you pajeet shills. Suck my huge white American cock.

>>20579742
> Good luck attracting concurrents on this shit btw, I'm sure Redshift and Arnold are dying to join.
> He doesn't know they are already integrated and are literally working with Autodesk on it
https://home.otoy.com/otoy-showcases-rndr-network-new-arnold-azure-integrations-gtc-digital/

> You literally do, if you don't have an in-protocol consensus method to verify computations you will get fed horseshit results by some actor on the other side of the planet.
> He doesn't know they are verifying results already

> No data privacy
> The system works without having unencrypted data sitting on a user’s hard drive. At the last stage of rendering, data is decoded as it is streamed onto the GPU. This makes it hard to hijack, but even here, AMD is in talks with the team to allow The Render Token to use the AMD’s TPP data encryption which is what is used on the XBox and Playstation4 (which has full custom computing encryption).

> just plug your engine in iexec
Lol, that's ridicoulous. Why do you think golem and render have been working for years just on this one use case. Cause its hard as shit, not plug and play at all. No one is going to do this on iExec except if they are literally paid millions to do it.
On the contrary, OTOY already integrated the biggest competitor, Autodesk, into the network

Anymore retarded fud? Come back if iExec even has a single user. More than three years and they can't get a pajeet using it but morons on biz repeat every day how great it is and that it will change the world tomorrow while having no clue about the industry at all.

>>20580204

I been in rndr for fucking weeks now.

Good to see it get the attention it deserves

>>20580204
>can't get anyone using it
>EDF literally deployed its Dapp on it last year and is a GPU worker
>Alibaba cloud is a worker pool
>IBM cloud is a worker pool
>Dozens of science dapps from academics all around the world
Stay a retarded nigger, we'll see who has more use in 2021

>>20578854
How long have u been in crypto? Do you know what an erc20 token is? Are you saying ethereum isn't a decentralized network? Jesus

>>20580747
> no one is using it
> bUt MuH wOrKeR PooLz

also kek in citing dozens of scientific apps that are open source and iExec pulled from GitHub. Hows that an accomplishment.

Stay mad iexec shill

>>20580747

They literally made a deal with apple..

>>20580858
>what is a consensus method
Kys newfag

Lmao just read their shitty website, their solution to data privacy is literally putting a watermark on the render, my fucking sides

>>20581017
https://rendertoken.com/assets/files/RNDR_User_Manual.pdf

Weak fud. Section G. Read it

>>20581199
G until I I meant

>>20581199
How is this providing any privacy?

Also
>Frame by frame human verification
Top kek imagine having to wait in front of the computer looking for every details and hope that some chink gpu farm isn't undersampling your render to lowball you
Do you retards sincerely believe there is any value proposition in this half assed mess?

>>20581416
Encrypted Data with upcoming integration into GPU TEE is not private ?

No, if you had read the document, you would know that they use automated denoising detection to spot denoising AI-models that would try to cheat the system. And yes, as artists ALWAYS check their renders afterwards, this kind of reputation-based system isn't dumb. No sane worker would risk its reputation which determines the node-tier (and the payouts), just to try to squeeze out a few cents more.

>>20577131
Tenderfags BTFO

>>20577281
Dumb ass iExec does and it's way more advanced LOL

IExec better it partners with google and intel ahahhashhshshs fuck rendertoken shitcoin low IQ pajeets Kek IExec cucks you retarded faggots

>>20582219
Agree iExec better rendertokrn big scam scam, RLC to $100