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Id rather eat tendies and watch my portfolio go up

NOPE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEtbFm_CjE0

>>20493195
Trades are fucking where its at. All the idiots tell you to get a degree so the trades are woefully understaffed. You can write your own ticket if you do this. Fucking go for it.

My friend does deep sea welding and he makes a killing doing it

>>20493195
My brother is specialized welder. Works for GPE gas/shale/drilling company out of west Texas makes 200k a year. He's set to retire by 35 thanks to living intentionally like a broke ass and investing all of the rest.

But he said never do underwater welding, from the time you start your life expectancy becomes 10 years from the first time you go under.

>>20493304
Holy fuck, why? Chance something goes tits up and you die or something health related?

>>20493339
Check the link above

>>20493195
>Set for life
>Can die while working

>>20493244
literally this, i am a diver.
many newbies talk about how 'cave diving is cool', which it most certainly is. about in the same way as riding a motorcyle is. totally awesome until you fucking get in a deathly situation.
these jobs pay high because your likelihood of death is 10000x higher than a fucking office job. re: this video; i dont think you faggots have any idea how disorienting a cloud of mud can be. as pressure equalizes around your entire body it's hard to determine up from down.
>>20493302
open water is a little more safe, but fuck everything in the video above
>>20493304
>But he said never do underwater welding, from the time you start your life expectancy becomes 10 years from the first time you go under.
as said
>>20493339
read above

ama faggots

Delta P will fuck you up dude

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEtbFm_CjE0

>>20493408
Whats the pay like? How often does mud fuck your shit up? How retarded are your coworkers?(ie is there a realistic chance of you dying because someone else fucked something up?)

>>20493339
It's incredibly dangerous, and the likely hood of succumbing to success driven bias leads to a ton of fatal accidents because people get lazy in taking shit seriously.

> danger
i'm 34 worked retail for cents my whole life. I dont mind dying that much.

>>20493484
based

>>20493376
>poor
>small chance to die
choose one

>>20493195
good luck not dying or not having fucked up vision. great way to breathe in fumes lmfao.

>>20493195
Enjoy getting sucked through a 10 cm diameter hole in a pipe, retard.

>>20493484

Check out the sat diving school in Houston.
OCEAN CORP. They're a good one and by the time you finish the oil patch will probably be back up. Alternatively, go to the Seafarer's International Union's 1 year apprenticeship program up at piney point. You'll get out with a B Book, AB rating, and can make some good fucking money on a time on time off rotation.

>>20493461
>Whats the pay like?
i'm a recreational master diver so you work with a lot of people. think being a software engineer and having friends in different walks of life.
>How often does mud fuck your shit up?
almost any time you get close to the bottom of anything, every time if you're diving with someone relatively new or renting their equipment. shit's hard to calibrate unless youv'e used it before (weights, fit, everything)
>How retarded are your coworkers?
as above, but, pretty much any diver that's not a padi newbie is serious as fuck because you all have heard of stories where either someone you know died or you felt you were going to die yourself. diving is amazing, but you have to be safe. it's like doing drugs and operating power tools/heavy equipment, just don't fucking do it.
>is there a realistic chance of you dying because someone else fucked something up?
even on a recreational dive, actually. the purpose of the buddy system isn't to make sure you have a friend to have beers with/fuck their wife from time to time, it's to make sure if something goes wrong they've got you. i like to dive with a group of 3 or more at all times, because i really like having a second seat belt.

real talk though, if you're interested i'd highly recommend giving it a try. kind of expensive, but it's like doing acid. even just a few times and you'll remember it for the rest of your life.

plus you get to meet animals that are bigger than you, which is fucking crazy

every
single
time

I spent 30k and went to CDA for commercial diving underwater welding is a fucking meme, and even with a 30k dollar unrestricted DCBC license I was told that I basically had to "earn it" spending an additional 2-3 years at sea tending and being a gear bitch making $10 an hour. Commercial diving and underwater welding is joke and only hyped up by the diving schools. The pay is shit because every month about 100 "newly certified" divers enter the job market so the companies have a never ending stream of starry eyed grads to abuse and toss. Long story short, commercial diving is a meme and you can make the same $$$ with a CDL hauling cross border hazmat.

>>20493195
Welders dont make nearly that much. Underwater welders can, but you can only do underwater welding for like a couple years before it wrecks your lungs and you arent allowed to dive anymore. Im an industrial electrician, the welders at my plant make about $19 an hour.

>>20493408
Do pipes suck pepee as nice as sis?

There is so much shit that could kill you in very painful ways. If you dive deep the oxygen in your lungs gets compressed that means compared to earth level your lungs would never be able to take that volume and if you surface too fast your lungs will explode because the oxygen in your lungs expands again.

I just hear people making a lot of money in welding and wonder how true it is. Whats the average pay ?

google doesn't help much here. I guess bls website is only reliable way. Can someone post average pay for welders in US from bls website(I'm not from us, get "access denied" screen). Is that what the average pay really is ?(i.e. At least in eastern europe people in trades get a lot of money working extra (unofficially, no taxes) and gets +20-30% on top of they salary).

Check out the byford dolphin incident. Some divers were doing saturation work where they keep you at a certain depth without decompressing you because its faster than having a 9 hour decompression after EVERY dive. Instead they just press you down to depth and then you do your diving work, ride a pressurized bell up to the surface and lock into and live inside a topside habitat that is pressurized to the working depth. Anyway, shit got fucked up and one of the pressure locks failed and the entire habitat experienced rapid decompression. You can google the pictures but they dudes essentially exploded. They found a spine lodged in the ceiling.

>>20493990
That's not how it works but it's still extremely painful

>Coward, Lucas, and Bergersen were exposed to the effects of explosive decompression and died. Subsequent investigation by forensic pathologists determined Hellevik, being exposed to the highest pressure gradient and in the process of moving to secure the inner door, was forced through the 60 centimetres (24 in) in diameter opening created by the jammed interior trunk door by escaping air and violently dismembered, including bisection of the thoracoabdominal cavity which further resulted in expulsion of all internal organs of the chest and abdomen except the trachea and a section of small intestine and of the thoracic spine and projecting them some distance, one section later being found 10 metres (30 ft) vertically above the exterior pressure door.

>>20494241
kek, they got sucked through a 30cm opening in the doorway in the span of a few milliseconds

>>20494243
>but it's still extremely painful
4u

>>20493195
Die by 50 after inhaling aerosolised metal and the banking jew gets all the money back

>>20494289
hope the money was worth it wagie
also clean that shit up, jannie!

>>20493195
Underwater welding is extremely dangerous by comparison to other skill fields. Regular welders do not make 100k. Usually 10 or more underwater welders die a year. Compare that to carpenters/electricians/HVAC.

If you’re passionate about it, go for it IDK

>>20493593
Would you say it's worth getting your padi? From my experience reefs are already stunning at the surface level as long as tourism hasn't completely annihilated them yet...(and even then a ~200/300m swim along the coast vastly improves the quality of the reefs...)
Is the quality that much better at "depths" or is the experience just that different being 30m deep?

>>20494241

Scary shit but it doesn't happen that often. It's like joining the military, the odds of dying is 1 in smth Alot.

>>20493195
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Any construction/manufacturing labor is basically selling your body's health. The only way to get "set for life" is to start a business or earn enough money early on to invest and compound interst on gains.

>>20494471
I got mine in the Philippines. It's scary as fuck the first time you go down, but after you get used to it it's just amazing. If I make it with crypto my dream is to be a deep sea explorer and search for ancient ruins.

>>20493484
based as fuck

>>20494289
>byford dolphin incident
i just watch this youtube video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeVwqfFSggA

apparently they died so fast(fraction of the second) that they dinn't even felt it. I reckon the pain receptors didn't reach i brain in time

>>20494566
Seems like it would be worth effort then..

>>20494401
>Die by 50
Pretty based you don't have to worry about retirement, can spend all your money on hookers and cocaine then won't have to bypass your survival instinct to kill yourself since you die anyway.

>>20494351
Fucker, beat me to it.

>>20493544
>this kills the crab

>>20493195
$100k a year is not making a killing unless you're doing something like living in the Rust Belt and traveling to take contracts.

>>20494471
Yes, snorkeling does not compare to diving among a reef. I was a spoiled kid and went diving with my family all through the caribean Hawaii, and mexico. If you can afford it I would highly recommend doing it. Those vacations were amazing. No beach I have visited in the US even comes close to comparing to the beaches in the Carribean. I have not been to key west though. My lambo is a 40' performance catamaran and enough money to spend a month a year fucking around the Carribean.

>>20495875
Underrated.

>>20494544
As a contractor who knows half a dozen other contractors very well even as an owner you aren't going to get filthy rich. At least in residential remodeling. The older guys I know use it as a lifestyle business. One is a fisherman and the other a hunter. It alows them to take time off when they want and make enough money to live comfortably and hunt and fish whenever they like. Not wealthy by any means. I am on year 5 and am just now becoming financially stable I expect to proffit 60k this year. other years I was barely making enough to pay the bills. It is fun though. Selling your body is no joke though. You can't do this work past 60. Old guys are used up and can barely move. Most have to switch professions around 40.

>>20493195
Did welding for 3 weeks or so. don't risk it, it irritated my eyes. even with new gear it is dangerous. any other trade pays the same, welding is shite. its a cool skill to have but i wouldn't do it 8 hours a day for years

>>20496044
Even surface welding is dangerous. You are exposed to toxic gasses daily.

>>20493304
he doesn't make 200k working for a company welding.
t. wtx roughneck

>>20496064
Yep. And staring into incredibly bright light for hours is terrible. If you weld something here and there, will a tinted mask on you will be fine. but staring at the light for 8 hrs a day is too much. you don't want that strain on your eyes. work construction and swing a hammer and haul materials around all day, build your upper body.
just my 2 cents from someone who tried it out, pretty scary bruh.

>>20493195
I went to a coding bootcamp for 12 weeks and make more than they do while I sit in the AC in a comfy cube playing on my phone 50% of the day

Welders where I work (shipyard) often take home $100k+ with all the overtime but they are working 80 hour weeks. Fuck that.

>>20493195
How likely are they to get replaced by underwater drones in the next 3 - 5 years?

>>20496100
>roughneck
Got a real expert in the oil industry here

>>20493363
what link?

>>20493195
>set for life
>life is 2 years long

I see what you did there

>>20493195
I have a buddy who is an underwater welder. Makes six figures. Also has a high chance of death but that's why he gets paid

>>20493270
>>20493304
>>20493482
>trade jobs are based
>except you have to work a lot harder
>and subject your body to years of abuse
>and have a higher chance of dying
>but muh trade jobs are based
Stay in school, kids.

>>20494241
That happened due to freak human error but yea obviously shit is dangerous

>yfw you hit an air bubble

>>20497391

>>20493195
no shit I knew this guy who did deep water welding. he would live out of a pressure tank at the bottom for 2 weeks. he said he got $40k a job and he would just take 3-4 of these a year and then travel the rest. dude was built like a straight Navy seal. he did tell me one of his co-workers (small group of guys) died a couple years ago. if things go bad that far down you can't just quickly get back to the surface, so if you can handle that dread and risk you can live a pretty sick lifestyle.

>>20496100
He actually does as he owns 8 trucks and rigs and has several contracts. On top of that he owns a 6 banger apt in midland rolling rent checks off rough necks.

But he's been in the industry since he was 18 as a welders helper.

>>20497371
>Freak accident
No it was because one of the divers didn't listen and opened the chamber out of order. Either it was suicide or he was a fucking idiot but it was a human not paying attention

>>20497291
I reseal diesel engine cylinders on heavy machinery. I get paid to drive up to 6 hours in an 8 hour shift and the work requires virtually no physical exertion. Trades are based, degrees are a bad investment. No active investment should have a ROI as low as university degrees, it’s inexcusable.

>>20493408
Any sea monster stories? Usually underwater welders have seen some crazy shit down there.

>>20493302
>>20493408
>>20493593
Didn't realize there were other underwater welders here. I'm retired at age 30. Only got da bendz once.

>>20493452
i came here to post this

>2 year machine tool AAS
>have several Swiss machine certs
>boss let's me use the manual vertical mill and engine lathe to make parts for my car and motorcycle hobby on the weekend
>shop banter makes for a fun work environment
>do just enough manual labor to get the blood flowing but not enough to ache at the end of every week
>making 75k a year at 24
>many of my normalfag friends barely making 40k at office jobs they hate with fuck tons of student debt in a completely irrelevant degree
Not gonna make the blanket statement that 'all 4 year degrees suck' but holy shit a shit load of them are completely worthless.
Trades are a great option that get completely ignored by too many people that would otherwise be better off in them.

>>20497885
I thought I said human error