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What's your play

Fuck Anime.

>>20471672
Except Kaiji.

>>20471571
Not a damn thing. Maybe a strangle with some deep OTM options on TSLA because its going to be a wild ride.

Reminder that NASDAQ has a lower PE ratio than the S&P 500. It's not even close to the Dotcom Bubble. Current PE is under 30, it peaked at 175 during the bubble.

There is no tech bubble. Some of the tech stocks just sell at a high growth premium. If you look at their estimated future PE, they become much more reasonable. TSLA for example has a estimated PE for 2024 of just 50.

>>20471383
>tech is a bubble
Same meme for years. Tech is MSFT, AMZN, GOOG and FB. This is not some dotcom shit.

If anything boomer stocks are a bubble. Dead companies carried by the gouvernment trying to please workers. BA, F, GE, etc.

I doubled my money on SPY calls and then basically went back to where I was because of all the crabbing. fml

>>20471672
thread is off to a good start

>>20471571
I have MSFT and wrote some calls for 217.5. Got 1.5 dollars for it on friday.
In my mind its free money.
If MSFT really pumps that hard its out of my hands.

Im also looking into some calendar spreads or PMCC.
>>20471798
Sometimes it really be like that.
Options should not be a long term thing. They should be surgical knifes you play certain strats with.
I have the feeling some think an OTM LEAP is basically stocks nowadays.

>>20471571

>>20471508
You lads loading up on Oil and Naty gas stocks yet? CPE is still on sale

Monday when?

I want the prices and candles to start moving up and down already

>>20471732
>>20471780
Look, I agree that tech itself isn't the bubble. The bubble is global debt. It's the corporate bond market, which is MUCH larger than the market cap of all public equities combined.

When that bursts it will affect everything. However I'm sort of on your side too. Because the tried and true tech companies like MSFT/AMZN/GOOG will weather the storm well I think.

Right now is deflationary, but inflation is coming within a few years. And that's not even just me saying it, the Fed is literally targeting above 2% now and is changing policies to keep rates low. Yield curve control is coming. If there's another correction in the markets, negative rates are coming. The Treasury General Account is coming. Fed can NOT let rates rise and will never default, so only way forward is inflation which will be a much worse slow death.

>>20471732
>>20471780
TSLA has never turned a profit. Look, if you're fine with funding Fed pushed global control proxies, then there's nothing fiancally wrong with that, you'll probably make a profit. But it won't be from some amazing value or product generated by the company, but from the R and D funded by Fed bucks to usher in the NWO. You're betting on the government, not capitalism to keep these companies afloat.

Can i leverage gold?

>>20472050
Trade futures, buy the metal, buy solid performing miners.
Do not touch ETFs related to gold. The expense ratios literally bleed you to death. Not even unique to gold but true for all commodities.

>>20471934
Is this a regular call chart for MSFT? I'm expecting them to go up a decent bit this week. Is it always better to buy calls with strike prices closer to current price?

>>20472033
TSLA isnt "tech".
"Tech" is Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, Facebook and Google.
Judging "tech" based on TSLA is like judging "pharma" based on ResMed Inc.
Or saying SPY is shit because BA is a bloated retard company.

MSFT and AMZN are based in so many indsutries and have such a stable base that they are ETFs in themselves. If you AMZN you own a part of every crevice of the whole fucking economy. From ai to online retail.

"Tech" going down is a boomer fever delusion because they missed the chance and now try to find a reason why it will all crash.

>>20472217
>>20471934
Im gonna go with jade lizard?
The upper end may always dip a bit so thats why it looks that way.

No idea what strikes he picked though

>>20472259
Cars have a huge amount of code in them. Its the integration of everything.

>>20472323
Its why nvda.appl and googl are teslas real competitors too.

Appl car program with proj titan
Waymos software
Nvda doing car partnerships

>>20472033
TSLA had a $35.8 million profit in 2019. They're going to be profitable second quarter as well despite their factories being shuttered for most of it. If you look at the financials of TSLA you see their OPEX ratio keeps going down while their revenue increases, this shows they have a very good future ahead of them. They're expanding their business while their operating costs go down. Their gross margin are already very high and they would make a lot of profit if they weren't expanding so rapidly.
>>20471987
I have zero issue with people claiming there is a debt bubble, but I don't concern myself with it because there's nothing I can do about it and it's unlikely to immediately pop. I think it's important for investors to get into the market, make profit, and have some plan to get out of there's another crash, otherwise the opportunity costs of staying out and worrying about bubbles are too great. I remember around 2011 I looked into the stock market, found a bunch of Zero Hedge articles about a incoming crash and decided it wasn't for me. I missed out on tens of thousands of dollars of profit because of it.

>>20471985

>>20472323
Yeah. My point is that TSLA is one company representing a tiny part of the sector. There are 5 companies that make or break "tech" as a whole

>>20472450
Yeah, but existing car industry cant compete imo

>>20471732

Tech wont show so much growth the next year anymore. It peaked in Covid crisis.

The old economy has gotten hammered down going minus 50 to 90%.
The old economy is where the new growth will be at since tech will only grow in small steps and its likely to decline in 2 to 3 years when people forgot covid and everyone goes to the office and to business as usual

>>20471987
How would it ever “burst”? Calling in all their debts would ruin every lender, not just the borrowers. It would be mutually assured destruction. If the companies can’t pay they can renegotiate/restructure their debt. This party is never gonna stop except in localized and temporary events.

>>20472539
Kek ok boomer. Enjoy your 6% gains every year.

>>20472539
GIBBS preferentially goes to big businesses and not smaller ones. If anything there will be even more consolidation into megacaps with some large caps entering the space.
Walmart already wiped out most local retail, now it'll leverage its huge market space to browbeat the few that have survived so it can cost cut Amazon.

>>20472539
TOP KEK

>>20471508
> my neopets stocks are all red
FUCK

>>20472539
what will improve more and be more productive

AI robotics or plane travel?

>>20472665
The market isn’t about picking which business will improve more. It’s about picking which business is undervalued. A shit ass company can make you rich if their valuation is even more shit ass than they deserve.

>>20472692
Apple made 80% in 2019

Can someone explain how SQQQ was worth 20k at one point? I know it has something to do with a reverse spilt so you have less shares afterwards but would you still make a good profit?

>>20472539
I think Coronavirus caused a paradigm shift that won't evaporate the moment everything opens again. People are realizing that a lot of the stocks outside of tech don't have much of a future and they are just stagnating. Coronavirus killed off a lot of businesses that were already being replaced by tech like movie theaters. A lot of small businesses that can no longer be competitive in a tech dominated world and this was the final straw for them.

>>20472733
Yes. People ordering random shit they want on amazon wont stop in 2021. Its going to be very sticky habits.

>>20472708
This is bait. SQQQ is the 3x inverse of QQQ. It keeps going down because NASDAQ keeps going up.

>>20472708
The other guy who answered you is wrong. The reason is every time it gets super low they do a reverse split and for example will combine every 10 shares worth $1 each into one share worth $10 each. This has happened MANY times by now. Otherwise sqqq would cost $0.00000001 by now.

Guys we need to figure out what the next EV type tech hype is going to be what up and coming tech is going to change the world this decade

>>20472708
Because of reverse splits. Not much else to say there. 1000 shares upon its creation became like 4 today. So if you use today as the reference point without correcting for this you are seeing a 250x multiplier that indicates how poorly its performed over the long term. So that 20k peak was actually 80.

>>20472760
The piping of the economy is permanently more tech orientated now. Less commercial physical activity and real estate driven and will not go away because it was happening before.

>>20472830
Biotech focused on genetics but nothing like bigtech exists that I can see.so I stick to big tech and semis.

Ilmn sequencers are an okay play but I really want a super aggressive well funded genetic engineering company.

>>20472917
What I mean is Id love one focused on tech and the platforms rather than getting through fda pipelines for specific applications.

>>20472415
Every thread has a based poster. You’re this one’s

>>20472830
Extension of payment services and fintech to virtual banking. The overhyped TSLA of that space will be religiously devoted to hyping their blockchain technology.
Foodtracing and tracking technology like Indigo Agriculture.

What's Monday's meme going to be where I can double my money

>>20472821
>>20472855
The reverse splits don't explain why SQQQ has consistently gone down otherwise it would still be over a thousand dollars a share. The person asking the question is probably trolling.

You fags ready for me this week? Your calls and puts will be mine

>>20473142
pls no crab-sama

>>20473094
it consistently goes down because it's a leverged etf that inverses the NQ and the NQ only goes up unless it's crashing. SQQQ will also go down if the NQ is flat. Only when it falls will SQQQ rise.

posting to trigger Op

>>20473080
ECOR

>>20473197
That's what I was getting at. Including the splits if you started with 10k worth of SQQQ in 2010 you would now have lmao $4.29. I wonder if there's anyone that has held on that long.

>>20473142
No, please spare me. It's my first time with options.

>>20471571
95% cash

If there was a ticker like “$NIG” or “$JAP”, would it be bullish or bearish?

I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those faggots like OP. That way I wouldn't have to have any goddam stupid useless conversations with women.

>>20473483
$NIG would be absolutely bullish if it tracked 13%'s crime rate. $JAP would be bearish if it tracked Japan's birthrates.

Craziest earnings season ever
Senate stimulus plan revealed
Coronavirus 2nd peak

So much opportunity

>>20473483
There’s $NOG

Is tradingview worth the price?

>>20472830
back to basics. margins coming back to manufacturers and away from middlemen

DOG WILL HUNT

What the hell kind of plan can one even create for this earning seasons? You can only guess at what a companies earnings will be and if you’re wrong you either won’t be able to react fast enough to go the opposite route or you will react fast enough only to later set your reaction was to a temporary trend and your original plan was right.
Seriously what the FUCK kind of plan could anyone create to have a chance of creating profit that isn’t grossly eclipsed by the likelihood of major losses??

>>20473560
Can’t you just use it for free? Just with ads

>>20473593
it's easy, bet on a company making money, then set a tight stop loss, if they jump up take a profit, if they miss earnings then your stop loss should kick in before you lose much, honestly why are there so many clueless people in these threads, this is basic stuff.

Time for that first sip of the day!

>>20473593
>What the hell kind of plan can one even create for this earning seasons?
Set buy limit orders for after/pre-market at levels decently below current prices on companies you really want to own long term, then hope enough people panic and sell when the numbers come out or during the call?

I know everyone's living situation is different,etc but fuck If I had just 1 million bucks staring at me hell I could live from just the interest alone and not bother with the principle amount. Cause I'm getting by just dandy with only 27,000 a year now. So lets say x 2 everything for inflation's sake. That's 54,000 a year you blow. Interest on 1 million is around 64,000 a year. Still higher than the 54,000.

>>20473699
Because a company can beat earnings and still dump. Same vice versa.

>>20473699
That’s standard practice even outside earnings season tho. I read in the last thread that some guy was saying “this earnings season will be crazy. I hope you all have your plans ready before other people figure things out.”
That made it sound like there’s a great deal more to planning for earnings season specifically. But I have 0 idea what plan you could even have beyond the standard practices like you mentioned.

>>20473755
true, but the reverse can also be true, either way with the correct stop loss the risk should be minimal

>>20473801
yes, but if you are just betting on earnings then you can set tighter stop losses since you are only trading for the day or two before earnings come out, means less risk. People talking about plans are probably planning on doing things with options which honestly I don't touch.

>>20473593
volatility increases leading up to earnings and decreases after earnings. Buy calls or puts leading up to the date for a run up/down but don't hold through it. Sell options at or after the announcement

>>20473849
Oh I see. I wish that anon was still around. I would like to know what kind of plans he meant (without giving away his positions obviously).

NIO green monday?

Bullfags, what do you think?:
im kinda thinking this is the strategy to get biden into office: tank the market, blame it on trump, biden beats trump because of that, we go into greatest depression this country has ever seen.

Are debit spreads less susceptible to IV crush since the prices of both legs should increase/decrease together?

I hope monday is red.

>>20473699
Consider that a lot of people can't sell because of tax obligations. If they're invested in a company that has a huge miss and loses investor confidence, it will be painful for them. Surely there are some companies that people think are financially stable yet they're going to go bankrupt due to because of Corona.
>>20473743
Yes, that is why a million dollars is such a common goal for people here, it's the amount that they can live comfortably off of their return. It's also the amount where you're crazy to be gambling with it. Losing a bunch of money when you're poor sucks but you were already poor. Becoming rich, having the ability to retire early but losing it because you kept going is as a far worse fate that makes people neck themselves.

I think it's good that people keep goals like this so they know when to reduce risk and be more protective of what they have. 200k is my current goal, it's the amount of can fairly easily live off of since my expenses are so low.

>>20471508
>>Brokers
>not Bronklers
Also rate my indicator

>>20473743
>>20474161
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eikbQPldhPY

>>20474025
Yes they're safer and cheaper than just buying calls... really the IV doesn't even matter as much because you're just looking for the price to go above the short leg to get max profit.

I’m tired of staying quiet on here so I’m going to just come out and say it
>WHY THE FUCK IS WKHS LOSING VALUE?????!!!???
It’s a quality stock yet it’s dropping like a lead fucking balloon
Are there any WKHS chads left here or is it just me ?

>>20473142
"Here's this giant, enemy crab"

I found this old screencap from May, who knew back then that we would be this high in July? Pretty sure most of this board was full of bears back then.

What is the best big boy broker? I’m getting a little too big for my breeches. Is it IBKR? E trade? Still robin hood? I tried think or swim its kinda cringe and not a user friendly Ui.

>>20474362
yeah I tried Ameritrade and felt like I was using a boomer website from the 90's, how can they spend so little on what should be their main form of interaction with their customers?

>>20474378
Yeah agreed. It was making me angry to just use it. It’s like the boomers think the unfriendliness and weird unintuitive Ui makes it more “woah big time stock broker with big graphs n shieeet”.

My salary is 30k, it's embarrassing.

>>20474269
its forming a horse pattern, look at the ear and nose

>>20474390
>>20474378
>>20474362
stupid kids, tos is for actual traders not retail retards like you robinhoodies

>>20474448
you realize that Ameritrade is by definition retail right?

dumbass

>>20474010
>because of that, we go into greatest depression this country has ever seen

Do you mean because the Dems demo it on purpose or because they’re incompetent?

>Trannies and /pol/ in the same post
>anti anime OP

Wow it's shit.
Can we watch a Satoshi Kon movie tonight?

>>20474362
>>20474378
I'm planning on switching to TDA/ToS, you're the first people I've heard criticize it like that. Trial mode of the mobile app seems pretty good.

>>20471571
Watching Coke, Lockheed, Chipotle. Maybe also Microsoft and MarketAxess.

>>20474448
No its for boomers pretending to be real traders. I’m gonna probably use IBKR because it has real margin.

TOS is like reading muh “Tyler Darden” stock news and thinking you’re getting deep real insights n shit.

>>20474484
Get lost kiddo, no one respects robinhoodies. If you want to be respected here you’ll use tos

>>20474480
kys

>>20473957
Target price is 7$ so it's totally overbought. No

>>20474524
TOS: ooooo wow i feel so cool pressing hot keys to buy 100 shares of Coca Cola.

There is nothing wrong with robin hood. It makes trading easy and fun and that’s the most important thing. People who rely on muh fill and muh order flow and shit are losers who need little gimmicks to win. Real traders win by having better ideas.

>>20474448
I don't understand, how is tos boomer? Is it because it doesn't have a fancy UI?

>>20474576
It has no real UI, tons of useless info like completely useless. The whole thing is a gimmicky scam that tries to look like a bloomberg terminal or a eikon reuters thing so that boomers think they’re getting a good deal.

>>20474527
upset that no one replied to your chart or thought your little joke was clever?

AQB, MVIS, PHG (after it crashes for cheapies), LOGI are the Stonklers picks for Monday. Let’s get these gains bro’s. Back to you gay faggot anime anon.

>>20474621
>upset enough to check my posts
shiggy

>>20474600
You do you I guess. I'm happy using tos so far.

>>20473692
They have nice features but dunno if it's worth the price.
TD Ameritrade offers de same shit on their platform

>>20474600
you’re so retardsd but most millenials and zoomers are so it’s not a big surprise

adults don’t need a simplified toddler look to succeed, we do it with numbers not with fancy ui

>>20474269
We warned you faggit horses so many times, didn't we?

Y'all just couldn't STFU about a rumored USPS contract. Horse is worth around $10 tops with the magical USPS contract. $6-7 without it.

You get what you get.

>>20474564
Uhhhhh based department?

>>20474669
What do you do on it that you can’t on rh? Muh charts? Ummm if you need some weirdo metaphysical chart reading to make money, I’m sorry pal.

>>20474676
Ok boomer.

>>20474161
Living off 200k for the rest of your life?you must be pretty confident in your ability to get steady high returns

>>20474362
>sink or swim cringe
>sink or Swim not user friendly
>too lazy to read graphs, trends, news or any real time info
>not willing to learn

Go back to Robin nigger.

It looks like a video game, crashes during any peak time and it's user base is dumb niggers. You'll fit right in.

>>20474630
Already got MVIS. You think Logitech is gonna take off or what? TELL US WHAT TO DO STONKLER!

>>20472506
It's very dangerous to assume that no one can compete with your product. I don't think its a stretch to guess EV is going to be a very, very crowded market in the next few years.

>>20474769
I read news on other sites or aggregate them. I just use rh to place trades. Think or swim is just bad software.

>>20474476
They will demo it on purpose and then fuck it up even more than they intended because of their incompetence. Stonk stonk.

>>20474769
>needing news on cringe or cringe
Basically you want to be a faggot who trades on panic bulletin news wires because you saw some doods in suits do it in a Wall Street movie?

>>20471571
I want some Hal cheapies I won’t buy puts because I will get rekt like I did with Ivr puts

>>20474804
>>20474878
>Software its literally called Sink or Swim
>"why am I drowning?"

It's a known fact niggers can't swim.

Sorry Sink or Swim has a nigger pleb filter.

Just go back to Robin nigger already and get your news from Twitter rappers and e-celebs plebs.

Ho-ho ho ho-ho

>NKLA raising 1 billion
>NKLA shares falling way more, allowing me to buy more chepies
>mfw

>>20475012
>Software its literally called Sink or Swim
>It's a known fact niggers can't swim.
Fucking hell, I can't believe I didn't make this connection before.

>>20471571
Buying Logitech Monday as cheap as possible and flipping it Tuesday for some easy gains. Already picked up some cheap MSFT, hoping to flip those after earnings. Might pick up some cheap TWTR if their stock takes a hit same with Chipotle. Doing research on Calix. Obviously buying sketchers stock.

>>20475130
>Sketchers
>not CROX

>>20474188
is that not just bollinger bands?

Can we put a magical spell on MSFT to not drop below 190 ever again so I can print free money

what do you retards look for specifically when you pick through SEC filings?

>>20474269
Because they don't make any actual money retard.

>>20474545
i don't trust (Goldman) sachs

>>20475192
looks like keltner channels. he would be better off using an indicator that tells you when the bollinger bands are inside the keltner channels, getting ready to make a move. if only such an indicator existed.

>>20475378
ok, done

>>20474269
the puts i sold expired yesterday, i made like $4.5k from that. would've been more but i bought some of the top. i'm still holding 100 shares, might write ITM covered calls on it, i think it's still going to bleed a little.

Anyone else looking at vaxart doubling if they get phase1 approval in the coming weeks

>>20475470
Anon you should make it! Maybe you’ll get some fancy TA tool named after you! Like the chaiken money flow or the smooth penis indicator!

how is MRNA so ahead of AZN in terms of price if AZN is the "leader" in the vaccine race?

Alright my play is locked in for Monday. Going to buy cheap LOGI and hope earnings pump it considering its after hours. I’m also going to get some LLNW with the same plan and expectation. Limelight is a streaming service and I figure that’s only gotten bigger this last quarter with rona. Fuck it. Let’s do this shit boys.

>>20475723
I'm going to need you to refine your question, and use more detail on your concepts of "ahead in terms of price"

>>20475723
MRNA has professional PnDers for CEOs that are entangled with many "analysts". Most of the other companies are focused on the actual biology and vaccine. MRNA is focused on exercising stock options.
Biotech equities are such diseased trash. And its such a shame.

>futures aren't open during the weekend
>stocks don't trade 24/7
>you can't buy equity in private companies
>unless you're rich and well connected
this is fake capitalism rigged by the already rich, real capitalism would let me invest in wildly speculative private equity with absolutely no restriction, day or night

>>20472539
>since tech will only grow in small steps and its likely to decline in 2 to 3 years when people forgot covid and everyone goes to the office and to business as usual
Yes, after new conditions force the deployment and wider use of more tech, people use said tech for a couple years and then forget about it when they figure out they can do without it and return to their old ways
This is how it works.

>>20475841
Yes, we should limit our restrictions to allow more investors to trade, like the Chinese do on their Shanghai STAR exchange!

>individual investors must have assets of at least 500,000 yuan ($72,655) that can be invested, and two years of securities trading experience.

See? No PDT!

>>20475089
how do you think they are raising that 1 billion anon?

through share dilution you moron

>>20475981
This is the opposite of what I want though, I want fully gamified hypercapitalism, I want to be able to trade risky bonds and private equity on my smartphone 24/7

>>20475911
Well... That's what happened to Persia and Afghanistan.

But yeah, I wonder just how you can even come to the conclusion that people will somehow stop wanting more and better tech. Tech today is what the producing industry was for the 19th century.
>>20475089
>Buying into a pump&dilution scheme
No.
>>20475981
>Need two years of trading experience to start trading
Kek

Imagine not coming to /smg/ on the weekends

>>20476168
I have nothing else to do and talking to people stops me from killing... again.

Bro’s..... what does making it feel like?

>>20476155
>>20476156
If you think that's too limiting, the CCP has a solution for you.
>For those who don't meet the requirements, they may participate the STAR Market through mutual funds

So just invest long term on these promising Chinese tech companies! Keep in mind:
>The STAR Market accepts listings from unprofitable companies and from companies with unequal voting rights, both of which otherwise would be barred from going public on other Chinese exchanges.
So mutual funds are perfect, it'd be too risky to pick individual companies!!

>>20476211
>Bro’s..... what does making it feel like?
pic related

>>20476211
imagine beating a really hard and long game, the feeling you get when you discover that the game has a shit ending after all that hard work is just about perfect.
>>20475841
they already have that though, just go trade crypto

Any good penny stocks to watch out for next week?
I'm new and want to build a portfolio good enough so that I can start trading big boy stocks.

>>20475981
>look how bad china is! be happy goyim don’t ask for anything better!
kys tranny

>>20476414
there aren't very many better places though, in Germany they banned option trading, EU stock trading in general is shit.

>>20476414
>nonsense + jews
nice!

>>20475841
Again, if you haven't noticed. Since March, all the real trading happens on dark pools. Hell, most of the movement of the indices has been in pre and post market. If trading was 24/7, then the big boys wouldn't even bother with the public exchanges except to have algos snipe shares.

>>20471732
tech has a bubble and its china. i'll leave it at that

>>20476361
Being new and starting with penny stocks doesn't make sense. Build a non-meme portfolio and hold onto it for a while.
No options trading during your freshman year either.

>>20472653
I remember scamming kids out of their accounts in the chatrooms promising to hack them free neocoins(was that the currency?) Got so many paint brushes and shit like that too, good times, neopets staff gave no fucks.

>>20476361
Bag an index fund such as the S&P 500 or a total market fund first. Then branch out from that. Target funds are a bit of a joke though. Yeah they work but all they do is dump all your gains after a set time into bonds and tend to cost more in fees to boot. So you'd get more bang for your dollar and less fees by just sticking to a regular fund instead and rolling the gains yourself when the time comes into bonds.

DISNEY TO SLASH AD SPENDING ON FACEBOOK JOINING BOYCOTT - WSJ
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Is SPCE gonna keep on rising next week?

>>20476629
They must be really running out of money.

>>20476629
>a company with no products to advertise and no money to spend cuts advertising.

>>20476629
Thats terrible.
FB is probably their number one thing with lots of parents to market their stuff to.

Why slash that?

>>20476506
but if I buy one or two apple stocks what's the best that can happen? it rising couple of bucks?
in the other hand, I can buy 2k penny stocks and if it rises 50 cents I can get out with a 1k profit bro.

>>20476601
bro I can't even afford a single stock of that

>>20476713
>>20476683
>>20476629
Disney is actually in a lot of trouble right now, with their parks shut down or in danger of shutting back down and the fued with China making their parks over there at risk there has been a lot of talk of them doing a lot of cutbacks. They are probably doing this to save on costs and using the excuse of virtue signaling.

>>20476762
>They are probably doing this to save on costs and using the excuse of virtue signaling.
That's what every company is doing it for.

>>20476683
>>20476659
When will Disney be a buy again?
I mean they are a staple of the entertainment industry. Children want to watch their stuff, the parents want to feel nostalgia and make their kids watch it as well. Their parks are famous and they can charge any price they want.
Also they own huge chunks of other media. From Star Wars to Fox.

But now corona fucks them and their business decisions in the past were kinda questionable I guess?
I just don't see myself buying it

>>20476821
Other studios are taking charge in movies

>>20476795
shhh, don't spoil it!

>>20476821
Below 100, cruises won't be dead forever, neither will themeparks. But I'm not bullish on either.

>>20476762
>>20476795

>need to cut ad expenditures this quarter
>virtue signal that you're boycotting your advertiser for hate speech
>the press therefore proceeds to advertise your brand FOR FREE
>>HE DOES IT FOR FREE

>>20476857
I only invest in stuff I understand. And I just don't understand cruises. Who would want to take one? It's expensive. You're on a fucking ship most of the time. It's inferior to a five star hotel, for twice its price.

I just don't understand why people want cruises.
He'll, I can understand why people want a Ford car or how zoomers want to hashtag their friends on Snapchat or whatever.
But cruises? No fucking clue.

>>20476821
The DOW will keep Disney up with the same pressure that the NASDAQ keeps Zoom up

>>20476966
Wait. Zoom is still up? I didn't even realize that they haven't crashed yet.

>>20471571
The only thing i will hold through earnings next week is canada pacific choo choo trains. Small position to begin with so not high risk. Main strat for the season was freeing up some cash yesterday in order to possibly make entries on stuff shortly after their earnings days. Looking at DENN, LMT, possibly round 2 swing on airlines again.

>>20476948
I have this sort of viewpoint when it comes to only investing in things that I understand...
But the problem that I have is, I don't understand very much. I've got "food" and " posting pictures of anime girls and racism on the internet" down pretty well, and I'm really proud of those things. but that still leaves me unable to invest in most stocks

>>20476821
Kek, they're raking in money thanks to Disney+. Yeah they're hurting but the uptick in Disney+ subs is certainly helping them. Disney ain't going anywhere. Bagging them now while its down is gonna make you a nice fat wad over the next decades. All those cheap ass shares forking out that 0.88 x 2 divvy once they reinstate it. Gains + divvies for 30+ years.

Any VXRT bros here ?

>>20476966
>>20476988
I doubt it’s the etfs keeping zoom up.

Money managers want to show their clients they’re not idiots and aren’t missing out on the obvious investments for the future.

I get that you hate zoom and other skyrocketing and money-losing companies, but zoom isn’t going away. Cisco and Microsoft and google haven’t managed to do what zoom has done.

Hell, regardless of the future earnings of zoom, could you imagine how much any of those big tech companies would pay for it?

>>20472259
When will Amazon bounce back anon

>>20477131
9:30am ET on Monday the 20th.

>>20477036
I don't understand coding or cloud things. But I understand the concept behind it and why it makes sense. I understand planes and I understand guns.
I don't understand cruises. I don't understand casinos. Some things are just retarded, and Id live in fear people might wake up one day and stop being stupid. They won't. But I'm just not comfortable with the idea.
>>20477087
It's weird how you can tell it's pharma simply based on the X in the ticker

Where my MVIS chads at?

>>20477112
>Cisco and Microsoft and google haven’t managed to do what zoom has done.
Are you...joking? It isn't even just Cisco and Microsoft now.

I really want to buy more GUSH calls down the line... I don't see why come sept/oct/nov that oil will pick up quite a bit

INTEL IS LITERALLY DIGGING THEIR OWN GRAVE

https://youtu.be/Skry6cKyz50

>>20477131
Never.
Amazon is dead. We will no go back and buy our horseshoes directly at the black smith, so we can deliver sacks of beans to the far away town 6 miles ahead.

>>20476948
Cruises are cheaper than resorts and hotels.

Cruises, the nice ones I’ve never been on the shitty carnival ones, let you experience being catered to and waited on like a classy rich person for a bargain price.

3-4 course meals every night, included in the price of a ticket. And they’re really fucking good. Filet minon and lobster and escargot and veal and all sorts of fucking tasty meals you’d never order on your own because they’d be the most expensive thing on the menu.

And the staff are all foreigners and get tips so they can be paid very little. And the only things not included are alcohol and spa treatments, which people will pay far out the ass for on a ship with nothing but time to kill.

They also have some really good libraries sometimes. Even found some Tezuka in one back in the day. Grab the book, go sit upside by the pool with a cocktail and read and then nap and then hit the gym before a 4 course meal...

>>20477223
there is also this

https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-market-share-gain-q1-2020/#:~:text=AMD%20claims%20it%20has%20snatched,for%20the%2010th%20consecutive%20quarter.&text=AMD%20has%20increased%20its%20CPU,during%20its%20latest%20financial%20report.

>>20477210
>Are you...joking?
No. Have you done a group call on any of those services with 30+ people like my school did last semester? None of those other things can do it as seemlessly as zoom. Unless they really improved in the last few months, they’re all buggy as shit and awkward.

what calls this week?

>>20476210
based

>TSM 10/16 70c.
T-this will start printing soon, right anons?

>>20477270
Zoom is currently valued more than the entire domestic airline industry. It is a company with 1 product unlike its competitors that are both more diversified and can be used to as leverage.
MSFT teams
CISCO WebEx
BlueJeans
Discord
Gmail (Hangouts integration)
GoToMeeting
Zoho
Blackboard
and the eternal boomer Skype

Zoom, TSLA, and UBER are the big three overvalued descendants of the original dotcom bubble. It is nothing short of insanity that Zoom has kept its valuation despite its own board dumping all of their shares.

>>20477223
Love this. Intel CEO is probably watching this and shitting his pants. Also regardless of his taste in women Linus is pretty based and doesn't pull punches. The best part is videos like this spur healthy competition which leads to a better outcome for the customers.

>>20477232
I doubled my cash on cruises. Bought at 13, sold at the top of 26.
They are definitely coming back, but with all the debt I think it will be a long time. Like in 5 years you’ll 3x your money. It with all the chaos I think there’s better options.
MGM you get the casino play and the online gambling. Baby.v is also my new play since I sold the cruise lines.

cant wait to fucking dab on trannies this week when WKHS moons

>>20477425
doesn't seem that way to me...

>>20477377
if people start to like any of those products, zoom will be in trouble.

>>20477460
OH
I forgot about the casinos on the cruises!
Lots of blackjack, great fun!

>>20471732
>TSLA for example has a estimated PE for 2024 of just 50.
>PE of just 50
>just

Fucking delusional fagmans kek

>>20477270
cope harder tranny I really hope you own shares of that absolute shitcoin

>>20477613
>cope harder tranny I really hope you own shares of that absolute shitcoin
if you wanted a (you) all you had to do was ask!
please just ask instead of making retard posts next time!

Back in the mid 1990's MS had a video conferencing application. Called NetMeeting. Came bundled with windows. But it didn't catch on cause the bandwith wasn't there you know to support it. Large companies didn't use it cause they preferred doing things the old way. Imagine if MS had kept at it and locked the whole tech that made it work behind patents. Zoom wouldn't exist now. Cause the patents you know. MS stock would be fucking flying high as hell to boot.

How much of my portfolio should be V?

>>20474269
>It’s a quality stock
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

sooooo.... MSFT 205 7/24 calls?

should I go an extra week? earnings will be good r-right? cutting employees means MORE cash... h-haha..

Also what happens to airline stocks if they get a bailout

>>20477223
Linus is pretty good for tech news.
>>20477232
>Cruises are cheaper than resorts and hotels.
Not really.
I mean pic related is the price for some mid tier (not the cheapest) beach resorts in Turkey. 10 nights. ~700€.
Cheaper than most cruises, you're free to move around, you're not stuck on a boat in the middle of nowhere, etc.
And you're able to go out and eat at restaurants, or drink wine at the beach or do whatever you like.

Cruises just seem like retirement homes for rich people who are scared of doing anything by themselves, are too lazy to even pay for food and don't want to move more than 200 meters a day. They don't even need a beach or a pool because they wouldn't use it anyways.
It looks like Wall-E tier stuff to me.

Not saying investing isn't profitable. I'm just saying I don't understand why people want to go on these ships.

>>20474285
It do be that way
I sure as fuck wasn’t buying

>>20477288
tsla

>>20474362
>big boy broker
>robinhood
Only bait posts today

>>20477735
50% of my stuff I FinTech. Just don't tell the Bogs or they will kill us b.. and it's all gone.
>>20477425
I wonder just how much intel cares. They lost all the enthusiasts anyways and offices don't care. Pentium duo from 2016? Fine with them.
>>20477759
I wrote 217.5 calls.
It will go up but not by much.

>>20477425
last time he called out intel they did nothing. it won't only just dig their grave faster. also threadly reminder soft bank is most likely to make ARM public and they're providing architecture for apples ARM cpus and have made architecture for Amazon as well

>>20477087
Yeah, since $7.47. Kind of upset they didn't move with the other covid stocks Friday but I understand, huge run already this week. I still see them going another 2x

See you tomorrow. Going to bed.
Heil Hitler and all that

>>20477186
I prefer microchads

>>20477768
Unironically the airline industry is fucked UNLESS they have actual bankruptcies and consolidations. As has happened in literally every other bust cycle for that industry.
Bailouts would give a (temporary) boost to their stocks for swinging but if you are a memer longing some of those turds you don't want them at all.

>>20477288
This guy looks like white George Floyd

>>20477232
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh based department?

>>20477759
>>20477875
I bought a put at $197.50. If it drops another dollar or 2 before earnings I should be in the green with it.

>>20477875
>217.5
what expiration? I got lucky with SPY calls on the 14th close and it shot up $10.. I'm hoping MSFT shoots up $10 with earnings this week but after crab market I'm scared

>>20477288
margin calls

>>20475130
>MSFT
>cheap
>what is a p/e ratio

>>20471571
Writing CTL puts.

>>20477890
INTC is burning through cash on R&D to catch up to AMD no doubt, not to mention they are trying to get into the GPU space. The only thing Intel has going from them is small/mid sized server sales and OEM machines.

>>20478126
Most people here disregard PE and value
Just watch their accounts implode if that NVDA etc gets reality checked

>>20477232
dangerously based. going to put away some cash with my gainz for a cruise once the news stops caring about corona.

I'm looking to bag more IBM during any dip Monday/Tuesday. Imagine buying MSFT or Amazon before they launched the cloud offerings.. Look at what happened to them after they did.. IBM is getting it's foot in the door and forcing it wide open all while paying out a 1.63 x 4 divvy @ over 5% yield. Bag the cheap stock today, reap gains and a fat divvy over the next decades. Oh, and said divvy is very healthy, plenty of cash to hike that puppy even more.

>>20478220
Profits matter on earnings, what retail does in the meantime doesn't matter. You know institutional investors bought most of their shares/positions back in 2008-2012 right?

>>20478126
SPY pe ratio 27
MSFT pe ratio 30

MSFT is cheap as fuck if pe ratio is your only measure and you are not a jealous boomer and admit that MSFT will probably outperform average SPY earnings.

what the heck is wrong with dalio's lower lip??
Looks swollen or something.

Threadly reminder that the inflationary debt jubilee is a GO
https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/opinion/articles/2020-07-17/the-fed-is-setting-the-stage-for-a-major-policy-change

>>20475459
The trick is to understand their plan, just trust half of what they say. They want cheapies and so do I

I'm a sex offender but I still want to make my wife rich

>>20478681
fuck off you 37 year old schizo

>>20477460
I think they will just go bankrupt or to penny stock levels at this pace desu

Hurray, been reading where McConnell is in favor of another 1200 check. (2400 if married). They're on a short deadline this time, they're supposed to be session July 20th but then recess at the end of the month again, so they'll be rushing something through. Which is good news for the common folk, no feet dragging. Checks could show up end of august in your accounts.

I'm getting 10k in a bonus next month. What are some big dick plays to make with this free money?

>FB, MSFT, PYPL, IDXX
Is it even possible to lose with this portfolio?

>>20478922
damn, I get my quarterly bonus Monday, but its only $1k.

why should I fuck with options in a small account? what's the worse that could happen?
fuck slow and steady, I want to go all in bros I can't wait until I'm 80 to retire.

>>20479046
Prepare to lose everything with the quickness

>>20479046
>why should I fuck with options in a small account? what's the worse that could happen?

worse that could happen is you could end up actually owing the exchange money if you screw it up badly enough.

I've been reading a bunch of stock books and the general consensus is...
Pick stocks u understand the business of
But how do u learn the ins and outs of a business?

>>20479097
that sounds like boomer advice, don't listen to the boomers, they have been wrong all year

>>20479076
but I don't see any other way of growing a small 2k account anon, all I see is people telling me to invest intelligently for like a 20% growth in a year, the fuck I do with that.
I can't put away more than 100 dollars a month. I'll never make it with the turtle strats people advocate.

>>20479093
I don't get it, how can I lose more money than what I have?

>>20479093
you can only do that if you use margin or sell options

>>20479118
I'll agree that boomers are completely retarded but stock market is a boomer thing

>>20479131
Uh, 20% gains is pretty damn good. What does a typical bank fork out now, not even 1%.. And your getting that 20% by not tossing your money on shit that could turn on a dime and wipe you out to boot. Yeah some may think 20% is piss low but making money without losing money in the process is way better. Cause then you'd have to make even more to cover the loss.

>>20479131
I started with 2.000€ in 2016, bought AMD at 2'32, Nvidia at like 80, Tesla at 180, Netflix at 100... There's always a good play bro. Atm I have ~60k

>>20471508
>>20479200

>>20479261
you said it, 20% is unrealistic with these low-risk strats. But look at this, I won't make it until I'm almost 50 dude.

>>>/pol/268557820

What candles should I look like when selling puts/calls? Any advice?

>>20477484
>when wkhs moons
delusional faggots caught bagholding

>>20479131
If you can't trade stocks for a high profit, you're most likely not going to be able to do it with options either and you're just going to lose your money faster. There are a lot of people who have excellent returns without short dated options. My account has grown from around 10k to 130k since may of last year.

>>20479307
What site/calculator is that?. Hell over 1 million is damn good.

>>20479131
Write weekly put/call spreads on relatively stable tech stocks that still have somewhat of a decent volatility to be able to make 3-8% weekly returns without requiring 100 shares of something or $50k in capital.

The only downside here is if the market swings 10% via something like COVID against the direction you bet in, you stand to lose the entire bet. Of course you can hedge against this, but that requires more capital.

Make safe plays like this one maybe? Apple hasn't had a 1-week drop of more than 10% unless it's been something like the 2008 crisis or 2020 nothingburger crisis. And when stuff like DOES happen, you can always close it out before the actual expiration date.

Even a 1.5% return per week making plays like this (this assumes you make a ton of losing trades and close them out early), you still go from $2000 to $4337 in a year. Yes, one bad trade can blow you out - which is why you make multiple plays like this across different sectors (ie. Tech, Big Defense, etc) on large liquidity stocks.

I mean, it's gotten me 4%~ a week even through the March dip so yeah. If you like making safe plays but still want to make 100%+ a year and dab on bonds and boomerfolios, do this.

Fuck bro’s I’m buying MVIS and AQB Monday and dabbing on trannies and minorities

>>20478970
It's a retention bonus to stick around as we get acquired by some shit company. As soon as I collect I'll love moving to a new better position.

>>20479307
Notice how the bar starts increasing at a faster rate after it reaches 250k? That's because starting capital is very important depending on your end goal.. If you're really going to only contribute $1,200 anually at age 35, what are you even doing? Will you be playing games and going to part time jobs the entire game, or will you also be developing your own career or moving up in the workplace? I'm sure as time goes on you'll be able to contribute more and more anually, helping you reach the goal faster.

And 20% a year isn't even that great, as you acquire more capital you can do some stupidly safe plays like running the wheel on megacap tech stocks for hefty chunks of change every single week.

I know my team manager at work sells covered calls on Amazon every single week for a huge chunk of change. This is all from the RSUs he got over working there for 7+ years. Stay positive and don't forget to develop yourself..

>>20479502
That's nice.
Also, its my intention to build a boomerfolio large enough where I can live off divvys and selling calls/puts someday.

>>20479605
wait that's actually a really good point, when I get an actual job as a dev who knows I might be able to put away 1k and increase my annual contribution to 12k. which will mean I get to the 1mil status 10 years earlier when I hit my mid 40s.

Suddenly the boomerfolio retirement dream at 40 looks more real to me.

>>20471508
based op

>>20474269
>not a single product out
>"It's a quality stock!"
I'm sorry but if you didn't cash out at 21+ you're cripplingly retarded.
t. didn't get involved with the horsecock

Imagine not owning KO

Right now I'm tossing just 1200 a year into my S&P and Total market funds (600/each). However once I get a sizeable emergency fund setup I plan to divert even more money into those funds. This will be on top of my 401k and pension and individual stocks. Extra insurance for life post retirement. If I never need to take money out hey all the better. Let it pile up. Give my heirs an even bigger shock when they read my will.

>>20479867
>he bought KO

>>20479502

I try to do spreads on TOS but it requires me to have the full capital for both legs of the spread. What gives? Fuckin trade with 800 dollar maximum risk needs 24k in capital.

>>20479097
1. Go all in 2x or 3x ETFs of stocks when they dump. Avoid 2x or 3x commodity ETFs because they go to 0 due to volatility.
2. Profit.

>>20479936
You're unironically fucking retarded and should be the last person to give any investment advice.

>>20479955
ngmi

>>20479867
netflix shill is that you, are you back?

>>20479929
Just because the maximum risk is in the hundreds does not mean that the total capital involved is the same magnitude. The options are in 100 lots, therefore you need to buy/sell in that increment.

>>20479076
I can only imaging how fast their hearts will be beating when they lose everything because they brought their bank account in these wild, wild markets and have to tell it their runescape girlfriend; who is actually a 30 year old man, that they are broke. Haha oh wow.

>>20479936
What do I do if it dumps again?

>>20476156
>ech today is what the producing industry was for the 19th century.
I thought tech stocks is today was railroad stocks were in the 19th century.

>>20480031
Uhh....

Actual chances TSLA beats earnings? Th I nuking about that red shorts tweet a week ago is a troll

>>20480031
The part where he says "go all in" is the part you should realize is totally fucking wrong.

But I am considering something like this... say buying QQQ, and if it really dumps hard, taking the remaining money and putting it into TQQQ.

If it crabs, I'll have fucked myself, but we'll see.

>>20480002

So that is normal behavior? I thought buying as "1 vertical" Would calculate in and only require the maximum loss involved.

I suppose if I were to close just 1 leg the max loss would go bonkers so I get it, but fuck me it ties up a ton of capital.

>>20480083
Honestly, I should have gone all in on 2x or 3x ETFs on March 23rd. One of my life's many regrets.

>open account
>check tech test portfolio of 100k invested
>115k after just one month
mentally ill dividend fags are seething

>>20480108
>I should've known the future
yes anon, many such cases

>>20480117
In 10 years your growth stocks will become dividend stocks. Such is the circle of life.
Will you have the heart to get rid of them at that point? Just let dividends be your friend until the bitter end.

>>20480178
>10 years

>>20480178
What about 2x ETF of effectively high dividend stocks that doesn't pay dividends?

>>20480178
In ten years I’m going to be the CEO of a chain of sports bars I put together from the initial one mil I made my first year trading.

>>20480085
A spread is just a basket of options bundled together to make the fees lower than buying each option separately. You are still buying/selling the options contracts for the underlying, which involve the margin/capital as collateral. Pretty sure that's why that robinhooder that necked himself had a -700 grand balance shown despite the actual risk being much less.

you are being sent to prison for 5 years

you have $30,000 to invest in 3 stocks, you will have access to this portfolio once you are out in 5 years

what 3 stocks do you buy?

>>20480276

got it, thanks bud. I thought my shit was just fucked up but if that is intended operation I will work with it.

>>20480286
KTOV
TRQ
AUMN

>>20480286
Put it all into amazon

>>20480286
tqqq

>>20480108
Honestly, we should have gone all in on Bitcoin on January 2010. One of our many regrets.


.. retard. People thought the same thing on March 10, Feb 27, Feb 15, whatever. They got burned after their leveraged ETF decayed to shit. The only real leveraged ETFs that have recovered to their previous highs are the ones that track what's propping up the market right now, aka tech/comms. And shit like ARKK too. All the other ones are still dead.

>>20480313
Why? Isn’t it at an all time high? Recovery means more people outside and buying from local vendors. People are sick of sitting at home buying Amazon

>>20480330
>leveraged ETF decayed to shit
??? which ones??

>>20480108
>Honestly, I should have gone all in on 2x or 3x ETFs on March 23rd. One of my life's many regrets.
It ain't easy being prescient but somebody's gotta do it

>>20480343
They have enough money to expand into whatever they want to at this point. Their video game studio will have like 5 titles out by then.

>>20474564
>>Robinhood
You get what you pay for. IBKR is king. Intergrate your account with stockstotrade platform for epic results.

>>20480343
>>20480343
>People are sick of sitting at home buying Amazon
lol

Nah, retail will pretty much all be Amazon, Walmart, and Costco in the future as I see it. People have realized the convenience of Subscribe and Save, I bet that will stick.

Besides, their cloud platform is very popular

>>20480330
ngmi
>>20480352
Commodity ETFs.
>>20480371
I'm jealous.

>>20480371
Niiiiiice

NEW

>>20480418
>>20480418
>>20480418
>>20480418

>>20480425
>Commodity ETFs.
which ones

>>20480445
Don't listen to this faggot. He's retarded.
All leveraged etfs suffer from volatility decay.

>>20480410
>stockstotrade
Ok, shill it then.
I’m not about to go to another platform that won’t so shit unless I give up all of my information for one new feature.

>>20480507
>All leveraged etfs suffer from volatility decay.
no

>>20480581
It's basic math, retard.

>>20480589
no

>>20480629
Ok, retard. Believe whatever you want.

>>20479502
where do you get charts like this?

>>20474470
How new are you to /smg/? There's always a couple autists who think they're not retail because they have some more money.

>>20480662
option profit calculator

>>20480643
>believe whatever you want

>>20480747
>line go up means no decay
Retard confirmed.
You don't get it, brainlet.

>>20480766
only volatility and inverse etfs are subject to decay

>>20480766
If the line goes up that means decay does not matter, you brain dead autist.

>>20480811
>>20480815
This general is so fucking retarded it's sad.
(1-x)*(1+x) = 1- x^2
lose 100*x % => win 100*x % => you end up with less than one. Red days always hurt you more than the equivalent green day helps you. Big red day very very very bad. Small red day only little bad. That's why it's called VOLATILITY decay. That's also the reason why gold usually holds up better than oil or gas. Commodities also have contango/backwardation. Get it?
A little bit more volatility in the market will wreck soxl, spxl,.. whatever....
>>20480747
Don't measure from the start, Pick your entry randomly and calc your average gain. Very different picture.

>>20480766
Retard, I "get it" perfectly since I manually run a daily releveraging strategy in a futures account with /NQ and have been for some time. What your betters in this thread are patiently trying to tell you is index and equity sector based leveraged ETFs make so much money in the long-term that any so-called decay is irrelevant. Your fear is based on the extreme volatility decay commodity based leveraged ETFs suffer from.
Idiots like you think somehow 1x is a magic number but like a good 115er you never ask yourself why you think this or if it might not even be true. Why not 0.9x? 1.3? Think it through dumbass.
And don't look now but your precious u leveraged ETFs also "decay"

>>20480973
Idiot, run your formula against an unleveraged ETF. OH NONONONONO IT DECAYS!
Guess you shouldn't but those either based on your logic. Neck yourself for calling anybody else retarded

>>20480996
>Idiots like you think somehow 1x is a magic
I have never said that.
Back to the math lesson.
(1-ax)(1+ax) = 1-a^2x^2
Tell me again how 1 isn't preferable.
>extreme volatility decay commodity based leveraged ETFs suffer from.
That doesn't even make sense. Explain jnug then. You low volatility environment is anything but guaranteed.

>>20481105
Idiot, your very own formula proves all ETFs decay including unleveraged ones. By your logic you shouldn't buy them either. Obviously your "logic" is faulty. You are missing something and that something had been explained to you in this thread. Fuck off back to reading comprehension school

>>20481179
>By your logic you shouldn't buy them either.
That's wasn't my inital point at all.
My point was that
>>20479936
>Avoid 2x or 3x commodity ETFs because they go to 0 due to volatility.
is a stupid statement and retarded.
>>20480581
>All leveraged etfs suffer from volatility decay.
no
-----
And I am 100% right here. They have decay. Much more than non leveraged etfs. You agreed. I won. Now fuck off.

I need some business ideas, lads. The shit out there is limitless. The people making money on magic cards, laptop repair, ERP, reselling panties and onaholes, I just gotta make money so I can accumulate more assets.

Did you know that Rome used to import so much BOTTLED Portuguese urine that they started taxing it?

Recently stumbled on a Taiwanese ebay type site where women were selling their "holy water". Pay extra if you require refrigeration.

>>20481286
Did you try keeping your mouth shut because nobody wants to see you or the insects you post?

>>20481262
Nigger, you aren't saying anything at all. All leveraged ETFs suffer volatility decay is a platitude because literally every tradable security with a changing price is subject to the effect. The effect itself is not what people are arguing when they are referring to leveraged ETFs. They are arguing that volatility decay leads leveraged ETFs to either go to zero or approach zero in the long term and that is false. Only an ignorant simpleton pretends that the naive idea of volatility is novel or worth mentioning. You are a fucking moron

>>20481262
>i watched a video on youtube about leveraged ETFs
How does it feel to have an average IQ?

>>20481435
>How does it feel to have an average IQ?
I don't know. Tell me

>>20481472
Only an average IQ would single out leveraged ETFs as being affected by volatility decay when all ETFs are affected the same way. You're like a chess playing pigeon

>>20481555
Read the reply chain, faggot.

>>20481580
I did. If you were as smart as you're trying to pretend to be you would have been specific that all ETFs are affected, instead you stuck to the leveraged ETFs are affected dogma because, face it, you didn't know. You don't know anything because you are regurgitating. Start thinking instead