/biz/ - Business & Finance

I wonder if anyone will ever realize that /biz/'s bump limit is 310, not 300.

FIRST FOR MVIS AND SOLO

these threads are moving so fast no one will notice that im about to buy more tesla shares

EVIR is gonna moon
Added 300 watchers in the past 7 hours and /smg/ team is shilling it on Stocktwits and Twitter

If you got in sub 5.9, you’re gonna make it. Opened 4.99, Hit 7.20 AH, closed 6.76. Gap up to 8 on Monday

>>20278179
share(s)???

holy fuck bouy

u riss

>Housing market = FUCKED
https://therealdeal.com/2020/06/16/trd-insights-forbearance-requests-edge-up-in-june/
We 2007 boys!

>>20278132
The problem with renewables is that our grid was supposed to go one way. Plant to consumer.
But now the state pushes for more decentralized renewables and the grid cant handle that. Every farmer now puts solar on his fields because the gouvernment pays ridiculous money for it.
The system is at its limits I was told by people who actually have an idea.

Reminder: Our virus friend has struck the Disney parks. DIS stock will take a dive. Perfect time to strike..

>>20278202
I'm probably going to dump at $10 for the inevitable bounce off. Maybe buy the dip but I've been so lucky lately I think it may be asking for trouble

>>20278202
Operation Shillstein

>>20278207
It's fine. It'll all go on the Fed's balance sheet and they'll take the hit. Easy!

>>20278207
I just want to own a house so bad bros. Gonna move back to Georgia.

Too late to cash in on Tesla?

I can't wait for the market to get back to March lows so I can buy about 5000 shares of SOXL at $50 a pop. I'm gonna be so fucking loaded when this is all over

>>20278089
what happened to the anime girl posting
i miss them

>>20278222
Who’s our virus friend

>>20278258
2k eoy
3k after spacex success

>>20278202
Should I buy more at market open? Got in at 5.94, but i only picked up a handful of shares.

>>20278217
America's electrical grid is a disaster. Large parts of it are approaching 40 and 50 years old. We never spend any money on it because it's more important to feed ShaNayNay's 8 kids and incarcerate the other 3.

>>20278271
>delusional about another crash
ngmi

Looking back at that analyst that raised WKHS to $26.

>...the USPS contract, which remains a wildcard in terms of timing (it has already been delayed a few times) but could be worth up to $16/share (includes aftermarket service contracts) but assuming a 50% chance WKHS wins 50% of the contract points to $4/share

The analyst discounted the target based on perceived odds of WKHS actually getting the USPS deal. But with the news since he released his analysis, we can do better.

Joe Biden and Democrats have launched a new "Buy American" initiative, effectively stampeding to the economic right to try to salvage their election chances. They're obviously full of shit, but Donald Trump will be forced to take significant concrete Buy American action ASAP to keep the narrative on his side.

This virtually eliminates the Turkish and Indian companies from the running if you thought they even had a chance before, and narrows the choices to Workhorse EVs vs Oshkosh's contrarian internal-combustion entry.

Moving Forward Act Sec. 50001 finally provides the much-discussed $6 billion in funding for new vehicles for the USPS. But Sec. 50002 requires that at least 75% of the vehicles purchased be EVs.

That means rather than "50% chance WKHS wins 50% of the contract", we're looking at something much closer to "99% chance WKHS wins at least 75% of the contract". New armchair-analyst price target: $34.

Disclaimer: I have been long on WKHS for a year and hold 1200 shares at a $2.04 average, and boy would I really like this to come true.

>>20278271
>SOXL
>$50/share

buddy, you missed your chance already

>>20278258
Watch TSLA calls that are deep OTM next week like a hawk. If there is a little bump in movement during a period of low volume and price monement, buy like 10 of that same call. If they are 0.05 cents that would run you 50 dollars. If the call pump happens, immediately flip the options for 80x+ gains.

>>20278202
god speed.. I'm setting initial gain for 8 and will ride as to no higher than 10 .. might buy in during any dip but I will only have 1 PDT available on monday and I'm not sure if I want to hold it overnight.. maybe will buy back EOD depending on how it goes

>>20278289
>>20278304
Don't say these horrible things guys. It could happen

>>20278303
>Biden trying to campaign on buy American when 30% of the furthest left doesn't want the country to exist anymore
lol ok bud sounds like a brilliant idea

>>20278303
>boomer using his personal politics for his analysis of price target
SELL SELL SELL

>>20278305
>July 17th 2500 calls are worth 3.55
This market is just retarded.

>>20278280
they're cooming to anime feet
they'll be back when market opens kek

WDC?
>forward P/E of 7
value, right?

>>20278222
>perfect time to strike
>DIS at 40 P/E
So the plan is to buy the news and hold on to bags for two years? You're thinking like the XOM guys.

>>20278271
It's because people like you think this way that the current valuation is supported.

>>20278355
>feet
GROSS!!

>>20278280
we have rightfully taken back /smg/ from degenerate anime posters and made /smg/ great again

>>20278222
FUCK THE MOUSE IM ALL IN ON PUTS. NO ONE ACTUALLY WAS IN THAT PARK TODAY. DISNEY LOST MONEY.

what's up with biotech stock? what's up with the ARKG etf? Will CRISPR and transhumanism reign in in the next 20+ years?

>>20278285
Not at market open, try to catch a dip as the other weak hands holding from before will probably sell. That’s when you buy. Or if you have a day trade, buy market open and set stop losses On those buys that will offset the gains from your previous gains

>>20278303
I sincerely doubt the house Moving Forward bill will pass, republicans don't like it so it won't pass the Senate. They will author their own version of the bill - I wouldn't hold that EV stipulation as set in stone yet. If somehow a bill does pass with the EV wording, but WKHS like crazy because they are literally guaranteed at least some of the contract. I also did my DD and concludes Oshkosh is the only real competitor to WKHS for the bid.

I am the master of buying high and selling low.
>Goes up 50%
>"I promise I'll sell when it goes up 500%"
>Goes down 100%
>"I need to try another play, but to do that I have to liquidate my bad one."

>>20278305
this sounds incredibly risky

>>20278285
Take a look into MVIS forecast bro.

>https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2020/07/11/texas-patient-in-30s-dies-after-reportedly-citing-mistake-of-attending-covid-party.html
>A 30-something patient has died from the coronavirus after reportedly attending a “COVID party” and ultimately telling their nurse they had acted in error, San Antonio’s WOAI-TV reported.
WHAT THE FUCK IS A COVID PARTY???
holy shit US, please stop being retarded. We are basically a satellite state and we do not want you to keep shitting yourself because our economy will go down with yours

plkease stop

>>20278420
Really realistically I think it's reasonably possible WKHS gets 25% of the bid for strictly urban delivery vehicles while someone like Oshkosh builds out a more traditional fleet for longer haul networks.

>>20278436
Like a chickenpox party for retards

>>20278434
Is it though?
>500 dollars for these dumb OTM calls that will get pumped again if the market manipulator stops doing it
500 - > 40000
Meanwhile 1 meme share of tesla -> + 10% (as happened on Friday 1400 -> 1550)
The price movements of both are 100% correlated.
Downside risk:
>options manipulator stops playing his game
>contract play
Woops, there does my 500 dollars.
>TSLA crashes
Don't care, already lost my 500
>bagholder
My $1500 investment is going to $1550 by EOM! HYPEEEEE
>TSLA crashes
pink_wojack.jpg

Stocks with the burgerpunk feel?

>>20278207
Ignore forbearance data. People are just taking advantage of these programs, even though they can easily afford their mortgage.

Same reason lazy nig's take advantage of unemployment even though plenty of jobs are available.

>>20278378
Agreed Disney is fucked. I heard from an insider @ reddit that they're in deep trouble.

1) No movies. No marvel, no sports (espn).
2) Disney parks constantly closing, reopening and closing again. Also, no tourism.

>>20278436
Darwinism. Let nature fix things.

>>20278523
>500 dollars for these dumb OTM calls that will get pumped again if the market manipulator stops doing it
>keeps* doing it

>>20278271
i dont think this is going to happen, we may see some drops next week, but the initial fear is gone. You may see march lows in early November, but thats depending on the election.

>>20278546
...MCD?

>>20278546
MCD
KO
DIS
NOC
TSLA

American cities look like hell.

>>20278608
They are. Absolute apocalyptic nightmares. You should stay as far away as possible. Never ever come here, protect your safety, anon

>>20278608
small towns are nice suburban hellscapes near major cities are actual hell, especially in the south west, literal hell in Phoenix AZ

>>20278546
>AJ is impulsively dabbing in excitement for Hawaiian Punch!
kek

Reminder: If you're not early to the party, you're late.

NEVER FOMO.

(SEE Tesla)

>>20278148
>NOOOOO I COULDNT POST MUH EPIC PORN MEME IN OP FOR THE 658TH TIME
die retard

Reminder to disregard boomers that think politics matter for the market. JPOW is literally the only man who matters now.
>2 years ago, market dips on fears of china trade war
>JPOW printing now overrides even this previous "concern"
The only boomer to listen to lives on Constitution Avenue and not Pennsylvania Avenue

>>20278632
>Absolute apocalyptic nightmares.
Nah. Just very very boring. All looks the same and all was built in the last 50 years basically.
Like they were made for corporate wage slavies while the rich sip cocktails in the old town of Palermo or Brugge.

India is hell.
>>20278639
Same with Japan. Smaller towns arr rook da same. They only built with food and do not really treasure an old town like a Brit or even a Turk would.

>>20278681
>They only built with food
*wood naturally.

How much weight do you guys put into WFI or RSI for deciding when to buy into a position?
I'm not planning to use it to do swingtrades, I just want to use it to better time when to buy into a pick I believe has good fundamentals and growth prospects. It doesn't always tell you it's the bottom (some of the bottoms were at neutral MFI/RSI) but it does seem to tell you when something is so obviously oversold or overbought.

>>20278546
>wings in the oven
So fucking pointless. No matter WHAT you do they will never be as good as deep fried. Literal waste of money if you're not going to deepfry them.

>>20278681
US cities have roving gangs of wild feral black soundcloud rappers shooting and raping one another and any other human being in close proximity. They are VERY VERY SCARY and you should stay away

>>20278693
most true thing said in this thread so far

>>20278089
>EVER FOMO.
I regret selling MVIS at 1.25 but I bought in at .32 right before it mooned at the end of April, why would anyone buy in now?

>>20278390
bumping for the sake of this

>>20278361
based Geddy & great bass player. can handle his vocals tho

>>20278692
>How much weight do you guys put into WFI or RSI for deciding when to buy into a position?
Literally none. What the fuck is an MFI or RSI?
>>20278699
You like chocolate chip ice cream?
Thought so.

>>20278632
I never got this "American homes bad" meme. Owning your own single-family detached home is comfy and private. You could smoke weed without a landlord saying anything and have loud crazy sex without the neighbors hearing. You also get the benefit of better internet/utilities/deliveries than owning a few acres out in the boonies. It's the best of all worlds.

>>20278555
>ignore forbearance has gone up 40 times in a few months
>ignore the still ridiculously high unemployment
>muh programs
Ok retard.

>nobody has figured out the wayfair bullshit is some shortsellers fud
>not even any upvoted mention of it on reddit
god people outside are so clueless and oblivious

Who here hates Hindenburg research?

Break it down for me, /biz/. There are genuinely knowledgeable anons here. If I intend to hold ETFs for years, why are leveraged ETFs so frowned upon by mass audience investing advice, like on YouTube?

For example, SOXX vs SOXL, TQQQ vs QQQ, etc. I understand that you're exposing yourself to higher overall gains and losses with leveraged ETFs, but don't understand the problem with "decay" or the need to rotate out these 2x/3x leveraged ETFs. If you're confident in the market and willing to take on additional risk if you're wrong, why aren't leveraged ETFs suitable for holding long-term? Even their respective prospectus documents state that they aren't meant for holding.

>>20278773
>better "utilities"
Is your electricity artisanal? Fuck off, this time next year Starlink is bringing suburban internet to all of CONUS. And coincidentally nigs nogging and major cities deciding they don't need police anymore are going to be driving another white flight. Guess what they'll need to work from home? High speed internet.

Would love for Starlink/SpaceX to go public.

>>20278804
>a jew that meticulously targets stocks that have barely enough questionable hype and doesn't have enough momentum to just ignore this literal who
everyone hates "them" (a single guy working from home in his 1 bedroom apartment)

>>20278834
they will preform 2-3x worse than the stock they are into if there is a down turn, normally they state they are for the active investor that manages their portfoliom, not someone who just buy in and looks away for months. Also the have a maintenance fee of .75 to 1% which I think is annually

>>20278789
I don't care, markets don't care.

You know why?

Personal incomes rose, retail spending rose and jobs report of May and June were positive.

All of those "bad news" statistics is because of lazy nigs wanting to stay @ home, not pay mortgage and collect an extra 600 a week to spend it on spray paint to show how the white man oppressed them.

Take more of the red pill.

>>20278546
>mfw last week's WMT gains made more money than the average Walmart wagie makes in a month

>>20278834
>If I intend to hold ETFs for years, why are leveraged ETFs so frowned upon by mass audience investing advice, like on YouTube?
To be blunt, its because most leveraged ETFs are hot trash. USO, GUSH, UCO, JNUG, etc. You invest in the market because at some level, even if you can't articulate it as such, you believe in a secular bull market. I.E. that regardless of the short term the entire market will go up on longer time scales. So in that case, for long term holds, that means leveraged bear ETFs are trash out of the gate (they should only be used for swings). I can't find it now but empirically its been found that leverage of 2.5 is the optimal tradeoff between beta slippage and gains. This is why all american leveraged ETFs are 2x or 3x.
The only thing that defeats the thesis isn't crashes because your gains are already so large that you sell at any cost you can and buy back in on the upswing. It is prolonged periods of "crabbing". In that circumstance any non-leveraged investment in the market would go nowhere but you will have bled some capital. The argument against this is that volatility is too high for that to happen for the long term and because the relative weights of other asset classes are also shifting wildly. Bonds, gold, real estate, and debt being the main ones.

Where do I look at what stocks make up an ETF?

>>20278900
You are just fucking dumb dude. High forbearance is bad. Its really that simple. Stop drinking idiot juice.

>>20278692
RSI is a fairly well known and arguably decently-used technical analysis indicator, so I'd say go for it, but you better be using other analysis as well (e.g. look at volume).

also,

>TA

>>20278957
google the ETF in question
read the prospectus

Reposting this.

>>20278957
On the fund manager's site for full holdings, etfdb has some info alternatively.

>>20278957
There are multiple ETF databases that will let you click on something probably named "portfolio" or "holdings" to see the holdings of an ETF. Brokers will do the same thing.

>>20278546
i want to die after this pic
fucking rural and suburb america is so fucked up

hey pennyfags
Buy IHT... up 11% and 13% AH
Get in low as possible and sell at 1.70 AH in the coming week
Maybe 2.0 depending on earnings july 23

>>20278555
>I heard from an insider @ reddit that they're in deep trouble.
anon... what?
This is your investment thesis?

>>20278361
Geddy's a kook, love him
I used to post him when anons would talk about "freewill" or anything else I could sort-of connect. But no one got it.

>they have a song called Rivendell
kek I better go give them a listen.

>>20279017
anon... it's looking at all the bad without any of the good, it's meant to demoralize.

EVRI gaps up to $8 Monday
Screencap this

>>20278963
High forbearance is not that bad, I'm going to take out a forbearance in the next week.

Why?

The stimulus plan is going to treat these forbearances like a deferment to prevent a foreclosure crisis like in '08.

So my 1000 a month mortgage that was going to my mortgage company is now going to the stock market.

If it means my 30 year mortgage goes to 31, so be it. My 12,000 that was going to the mortgage company will likely net me 50% gains. So that's an extra 5100 (capital gains), in my pocket.

People like me are doing this and that's why forbearances don't matter.

>>20278980
>>20278986
>>20279002
Thanks. I couldn't find it in the prospectus, but this etfdb website has it all.

>>20278957
The Financial Statements

>>20279035
Makes logical sense to me.

No movies
No sports
No tourism

The only bullish thesis on Disney is a vaccine/treatment is in the works.

They ain't making 2019 revenue until that happens.

>>20278834
>why are leveraged ETFs so frowned upon by mass audience investing advice, like on YouTube?
same reason only 1% beat spy index, they are clueless regurgitating retards.
>decay
only applies to short/bear etfs.
you should be buying tqqq/soxl, up to 50% if you want "safe"

>>20278217
>>20278280
>>20278681

anons. we need to have a chat. anime girls are just fine. but it's Caturday. We need to post cats.

you want the market to crash next week? i didn't think so. you better post cats.

>>20279059
>I heard from an insider @ reddit
>I am going into forbearance
>will likely net me 50% gains

damn ur like smart as fuck bro

>>20279091
>Makes logical sense to me.
sure, they got problems. Enough to sell down the stock despite Disney+ hype, vaccine/treatment hopes, and any cooking books that are easier with the fed and the treasury pumping money in? I'm not so sure. I hope so though, I'd love to buy below 90, maybe below 100.

Fifteen minutes to movie night! Tonight's feature is Sleepaway Camp (1983) for some summery spookies. Surprisingly I've never seen this one even though I'm pretty sure I cited it in a college paper kekkies.
>>20278957
etfDB, just search your fund n click holdings

>>20279151
>>20279075
Actually etfDB seems to only show you the top 15 holdings, and you need a premium account to view the rest.

>>20279136
ok

>>20279097
decay applies to both short and long leveraged etfs. math is fun

>>20279097
wouldn't TQQQ / SOXL get fucked severly if there really is infact a tech bubble that bursts? or is the argument that - even if there IS a bubble AND the bubble bursts - tech techs will remain supreme for so long such that 3x tech ETFs are the way to go?

>check r/conspiracy
whoever started this fud to make some cash is a based god. dear lord. they are absolutely fucking clueless

>brainlets think leverage is free
this place just keeps on giving

>>20279151
Sleepaway camp is amazing. But only the last 30 seconds of the movie.

But those last 30 seconds are incredible

how do i make my own etf

>>20279139
>High Unemployment
>High Forbearance
>Markets will never go up again, economy is fucked- March 2020

....Nasdaq ATH.....

Nice try Hobo Bobo

>>20279184
that would have to be some extemely severe months long crabbing before a 3x would have a noticeable decay

>>20279188
tech being in a bubble is just a meme, even if it came to be true it wouldn't be worse than in march, and you can see they still out performed and didn't dip that much

>>20279136
Why not both?

>>20279203
your brain sure is giving if you think holding leveraged etfs pulls money from your account or some shit

>>20279251
i'll allow it. carry on fren

>>20279139
>That fan""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""art""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

>>20279188
Make it short and simple:

No violatility: Leverage etf's, Tqqq
Violatility: Non-leverage etf's, Qqq

Yes, when markets are down, leverage etf's get fucked hard. On the upside, if markets are stable, they provide immense more gains.

>>20279274
Nice

EVRI BROS??????

>>20279197
jesus people believe it?
I guess pizzagate really showed all you need for the template of a conspiracy theory. And we know people are desperate to believe in these things. I'm surprised /pol/ isn't covered in chemtrail posts every time I visit.

>>20279251
that's a man.

>>20279297
Anon, we've been over this.
Zachs are not analysts, they're just a bullshit service to get people to pay for bullshit opinions. If they were any good they'd be working for an investment bank, hedgefund, or wealth manager, something of that sort.

Everybody ready to buy back in yet?

>>20278873
>>20278936
>>20279097

Thank you

Movie night movie night! Get in here! Tonight's feature is Sleepaway Camp (1983)!

honestly if you don't hold overnight and over weekend you will actually never make it

>>20279151
movie movie movie

>>20279328
buy oil. soon that even the most skeptic will realize that another lockdown in the US will not be tolerated and is not even really possible.

once the media loses control of the fear narrative, it's over.

>>20279151
wheres the movienight hosted nigga?

>>20279237
all leveraged etfs have decay as well as roll loss and slippage. leveraged etfs can outperform their decay and leverage in low volatility one direction markets. they can also blow up and get shut down just as easily

>>20279254
ETFs don't withdraw money from your bank account?
wow you must be a clever guy or some shit

>>20279217
cute

>>20279356
nevermind i spot it

>>20279288
>oregairu
These are oregairus??
christ I better rewatch season 1

Is there a reason why literally everyone isn't doing Tesla calls?

>>20279230
I think you clicked the wrong post you dumb motherfucker

>>20279288
don't care, still cummed

>>20279415
Its expensive

>>20279410
Season 3 now.

>>20279357
my guy.. just google etf, click the 1st website, check tqqq ans soxl graphs
if they "blow up", then we're being attacked by aliens or there is an asteroid confirmed ready to fuck this earth

>>20279415
2busy playing video games and buying dividend stocks

>>20279415
Because its a company that is not worth the price.
I want to invest, not hope the hype goes on till I sell.

>>20279430
>buying dividend stocks
dumb donkey

>>20278202
What if I got in under 6 but over 5.9. Am I doom?

>>20279415
Lol i was going to buy 1100 call other day and i decide not to rip

>>20279430
Dividend stocks are a meme. Aristocrats is literally worse than SPY.
There is no argument for buying them really.

>they watched some youtube vid and now think they are hot shit with their 100 dividend shares
lmao

Can someone shill me on this MVIS shit? Looks like it already hit 6x and I googled and didnt notice news. Shill my up daddy

>>20279466
Is this a serious question?

Kek are they back to shilling MVIS again?

>>20279514
That dude told me I ain't making it unless I'm sub 5.9 and I bought too high apparently

>>20278089
please >>20279436

>>20279340
I just finished Wall Street (1987).
Should I watch Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps (2010) or the Big Short (2015)? Pls respond

people are still holding MVIS? lol

>>20279508
Supposedly Microsoft might buy them out.

>>20279539
Money Never Sleeps sucks. So Big Short.

Alright I’m back

>>20279539
Pulp fiction. Better to trade in soulds than stonks

>>20279291
thank you, would you say things are so less volatile since March/April/May that it'd make more sense to buy TQQQ? VIX is at 27 now - and it's less than March/April/May levels but I don't know if it is low enough to imply Low Volatility.

Separately - would you argue to be more active in your investing, and to buy TQQQ during non volatile times - and as soon as there is high volatility - sell off the TQQQ and swing into QQQ... and vice versa?

>>20279546
My man they've been pushing that fake shit since March. They've tried linking the stock to like 3 companies

>>20279539
none of those - watch this

>>20279620
I rewatched that yesterday. I think its one of my favorite documentaries.

>>20279620
Watched this in high school like 12 or 13 years ago and honestly Tesla hype starting to feel Enron level

>>20279649
Tesla hype is driven by crazed investors, not insider manipulation. The next Enron is China.

>>20279566
another thought -->> during a bull market, buy up TQQQ...during a bear market, buy up SQQQ, or at least "bearish" ETFs. I guess that's the no brainer, right? the problem is timing the buys..what's the top of the bull market, what's the bottom of the bear market, etc.

someone paid over 100,000 for a mario game.. gives me hope, I gotta NES plus a few games,etc still from the 1980s..

>>20279675
Speaking of, China Q2 GDP releases on the 16th.

>>20279695
>during a bull market, buy up TQQQ...during a bear market, buy up SQQQ
SQQQ underperforms even in a bear market. Literally TMF instead

>>20279720
>Corona
>Lockdowns
>Portests
>Flooding
>Starvation
>Sanctions
You know they are going to say +2% growth.

>>20279780
Easily.

>>20279675
Yeah I wasnt insinuating that it was just that this insane explosion with what feels like no end in sight just kind of feels much the same

>>20279819
CHINA IS UNSTOPPABLE!

>>20279772
alright - I have to do more research. someone kept shilling 50% TQQQ / 50% TMF here for quite a bit. I'm simply too much of a brainlet and I still can't quite understand just what TMF tracks (I know that it's also a 3x). so all else aside, going half TMF obviously offsets any issues one may have if they just went 100% TQQQ. I'm still not convinced something like 50/50 TQQQ / TMF is a good hold for 20+ years. that's my goal. I guess if I'm willing to not be lazy I can do as I suggest, buy bullish ETFs when the market is bullish, then sell once things become bearish for a while.

Anyone watching the fight?

>>20279819
wow they're so good at forecasting the economy of 1.2 billion people lol haha

Bros does this actually matter ? First time the 3 day moving average on deaths made a higher peak since early April.

>>20279520
Well next month is august and I remember they said mvis is having a conference with Microsoft in august

Do I need enough money to buy 100 shares to do spreads?

>>20279907
The CDC is currently backdumping numbers from all over the place. It's literal made up nonsense.

>>20279562
What was really in the briefcase??

>>20279918
Nope. You need enough money to cover the price difference between strikes, minus the premium received

>>20279922
Source on this ? I can see why ((they)) would want to do that but is there any proof of it ?

>>20279907
We will see. The numbers probably won’t return to bad numbers because of the amazing advances in medications and treatments being given at the hospital level.

Darkest before dawn fren. This is the final FUD the globalists and fear mongers are pushing.

>>20279907
New covid cases are mooning because they are reopening. Deaths lag behind by a month so the spike was expected.

Looks like horsie isn't feeling to well bros...

oh NONONONO WKHS WHAT WENT WRONG NOOOO BROS!!

>>20279932
Technically a lightbulb.

WHEN DO I SELL EVRI

What are your TSLA stop loss orders?

>>20280053
$13>>20280053

>>20280053
$12

>>20280029

>>20280055
Why do you ask? Are you anticipating a drop?

>>20280032
wouldn't a briefcase full of gold bars make people stare in awe like that? then again why would Marsellus loan those dudes gold if they're drug dealers?

>>20280158
Its a bubble awaiting a crash in november

>>20279957
For what its worth I think so too. I think we just have to push through another week or two of this corona fud tops.

how do i use finviz to find hidden gems

Something is up bros. Last weekend CNBC was spamming covid 19 articles left right and center. They were even editing them with minor changes to bump them as new.

I think we see a big market rally after the banks report earnings on Tuesday. Monday is going to be a fake out.

>>20279473
>past performance guarantees future results
Well yeah i knew that!

I'm gonna stick with my VIG and SCHX, thanks. No EssPeePee for me.

>>20279568
yeah they did that shit with FCEL too
fuck my morals I can't keep living life like a Mary
How do I into the con stocks?

>>20279620
reviews say this paints a pretty rosy picture od the guys, makes them look like guys having a laugh and glosses over the real dirty shit and how it worked from the book.

>>20279957
The problem is hospitals peaking capacity which causes otherwise unnecessary deaths.

>>20279620
tldw?

>>20279035
https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/howpbk/disney_90p_821_and_how_can_anyone_be_bullish/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

>>20278217
NLR, BWXT, FLR
Nobody cares about nuclear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC_BCz0pzMw

>>20280272
You asked what was in it. I know factually that a lightbulb is the answer. What's meant to be in it? The soul of marsellus Wallace is the popular opinion based on the bandaid and the briefcase combo

>>20280384
CNBC, analysts, and headlines have no correlation with market behavior.

>>20280412
>insider
kek, I’m bearish on DIS but this is not insider level info.

>>20280412
also
FUCK NIGGERS
FUCK KIKES
FUCK FAGGOTS
AND FUCK YOU

I’m holding 150 EVRI 100 NIO 150 SOLO and 2 TSLA. Comfy.

>>20280387
>past performance guarantees future results
>No EssPeePee for me.
Aha.

Threadly reminder to ignore facebook boomers that think politics matters in the fucking slightest for the market.
>>20280481
OOOOOOOOOOOH

>>20280412
Well, here's hoping for cheapies

>>20280510
Explain TMF to me like I'm in middle schooler. It's a 3x that tracks what?

Is 50% TQQQ 50% TMF a legitimate set it and forget it 20 yr hold?

>>20278303
I mean trump has been promising bringing manufacturing jobs to America for 4 years. It's sad that it took Biden to get him to do something.

Workhorse will get that contract. The question is how low will it dip to buy in. I bought at 5 and at 7. I am thinking about buying more if it tests 12 dollars in the next coming months. Trump announcing the deal close to election will give him way more momentum than doing it in August

>>20280510
thank you fren
though the market thinks election matters for defense spending... and now maybe healthcare and soon energy I think...
Did trump sign some idiot bill that means Eli Lilly has to cut their prices? I didn't know he was such a gay.

>>20280481
>past performance guarantees future results: the post

>>20280510
Leveraged ETFs are great till they arent and you get crushed.
2000 would have destroyed a TQQQ. You wouldnt even break even today if you bought in 1999.
>>20280551
It tracks 20 years bonds and multiplies by 3.
Bond prices went up over the years because yields went down. Essentially bonds with 2% yield become more valuable than those with 1%.
If the bond yields increase the bond prices decrease as people will get the new 3% bonds from the gov and your 2% bonds are worth less.
(Simplified)

That said I dont see bonds having much gas left in the tank. You can go negative a bit because banks are required to store money somewhere and politics and rules yadda yadda buy US treasury bonds or, in Europe, German bonds as a kind of savings account for banks.
But right now we are at -.5% and such.
You cant go lower. And that means you cant make the bond prices go up (much) more.

>>20278323
Trump needs Ohio if is to get reelected. Trump promised to bring manufacturing jobs to america but hasn't done shit in 4 years.

He makes the announcement in oct and bam

>>20280387
>SCHX
based

Already part of NIO and EVRI master race with pretty decent gains so far.

What other meme stock should I get into?

>>20278436

See>>20278492

Not every state have a great education system. In fact dying from child birth in Texas rivals the 3rd world mortality rate.

If only our country would invest in education

Not a single person buying CLSK

Rice futures look like a wild ride.

>>20280551
>Explain TMF to me like I'm in middle schooler. It's a 3x that tracks what?
TMF is a leveraged ETF that contains holdings composed of various 20 year treasuries with different maturity dates. During downturns when the Fed inevitably torpedos interest rates with threats of deflation, current bonds are trash. But bonds that were bought BEFORE the downturn become extremely lucrative because of their much higher yields.
Bonds inverse the market generally (there are a few exceptions). So when the market sinks, they rise. This reduces the drawdown from TQQQ sinking but also limits your gains as you can see in that chart.
The long term problem with TMF is that eventually it will only be holding Bonds post 2008 (starting in year 2028) and those bonds were hot trash because interest rates were kept at 0 for years.
Then the only way to anti-correlate the market will be to hold other (lagging) assets such as gold or corporate bonds. But commodities are ALWAYS trash in a leveraged vehicle because of backwardation and/or contango. There are currently AFAIK no leveraged corporate bond etfs. Those would also be riskier because they aren't as stable as treasuries.

>>20280620
Oh I'm sure he'll "announce" something, whether or not it actually leads to anything in reality is an entirely different story.

2020 motorcycle sales are outperforming 2019

>>20280673
Bonds have only inversed the market since the 70s or 80s. Bonds ate shit during the Great Depression.

>>20280650
I don't like this kung-flu talk in my /smg/, but I will state that is has absolutely much more to do with sensational unaccountable media and journalists. We need to rewrite liability or credibility for information. This wouldn't be happening if we had a responsible, protected, but accountable press. DJT stating that he would look at reworking the 1st amendment, especially with regard to the press got my support in 2016. This is absolutely the failure of media conglomerates and their owners and journalists should be held accountable. The market has punished them, but not severely enough.

did we miss wimi or does it still have a chance to go higher monday

>>20280688
I believe tmf dipped with the market in March, but very quickly recovered, and rose from there.

Would be nice to find some sort of reliable hedge. Relying on vix and 200 day moving averages seems too risky

>>20280712
Cash and gold. Cash hedges against deflation, gold hedge against inflation. That also means when the market eats shit again you can buy cheapies.

>>20280620
A company like WKHS will move when it starts securing lucrative private market share. No one that wants real returns bothers with companies that get a majority of their funding from government contracts.
>>20280619
>Leveraged ETFs are great till they arent and you get crushed.
>2000 would have destroyed a TQQQ. You wouldnt even break even today if you bought in 1999.
June 10, 2010 was an important date. Because it was the day at which it became impossible to have lost any money whatsoever from holding TQQQ during its entire existence including buying it at the very top before the crash in February.
The TMF blunts a lot of the losses anyway. I straight up have had exactly 1 red between TQQQ/TMF since April and that red day was a whopping 0.2%.
But more to the point it is pascal's wager. If QQQ collapses, the entire market will have collapsed. It won't be flight into small caps it will be flight out of the market entirely.

>>20280606
>>20280387
I thought you were baiting because it sounded like a joke.
Its like saying you have VOO because you think the SPY will go down. You cant really take it serious.

Simplified:
Your VIG literally tracks SPY because its the same companies with maybe a 1% shift in companies here and there.
The only difference is that your "Vanguard Dividend Appreciation ETF" has a 0.07% higher dividend yield compared to SPY.
Thats 700 dollars more a year, if you buy 1 million worth of shares Lmao
>past performance guarantees future results: the post
Thats just being edgy but with money on the line.

is /ptg/ kill?

what can i buy monday/sell by friday for a nice respectable profit? you think MVIS will jump at all by then or something else?

>if not i’m just gonna put this in XSN

>>20280731
But what makes you think there is much juice left in bonds?
I dont think we can go lower than -.5% on 10 years.

>>20280410
Enron board paid accountants to falsify the balance sheets. On paper they were making hundreds of millions a year in profit. In reality they were sinking heavy into debt.

1 year before the scandal got out of control the board convinced employees to put more into their 401ks. While this was happening the board were selling their shares. Board members made 50-150 mil each while thousands of their employees lost their jobs and life savings. Enron shares went from 95 to 9 to 80c.

Basically wirecard , luckin coffee, etc but x1000 in terms of financial damage.

>>20280734
IHT
buy as low as possible, it's going to 1.7, but sell then unless you want to risk it and hope it goes 2.0
rebuy after you sell back near 1.0
earnings on the 23rd this month

>>20280695
Does journalism changed at death during or shortly after child birth in Texas is literally third world mud people level because of shit education, medical standards, and backwards views?

>>20280731
>no one that wants real returns bothers with companies that get a majority of their funding from government contracts
*teleports behind u*

>>20280731
Would you argue it's reasonably safe and rational to hold TQQQ/TMF split long term? That sounds like what you are doing. You seem to suggest that TQQQ will significantly crash and burn hard only when QQQ does the same, but in that case, we're all fucked? I can't pull up the numbers now but wouldn't another 2008 recession scenario, as well as a possibly-going-to-happen-soon recession, hurt TQQQ big time?

I just want to drop a lot of cash into the market now, DCA in for the next 20 years, and I don't see why it shouldn't just go into mostly QQQ.

>>20280786
>changed at death during or shortly after child birth
you drunk?
>An informed citizenry is at the heart of a dynamic democracy.
>t. that president with jungle fever

>>20280757
>But what makes you think there is much juice left in bonds?
There isn't. TMF is going to start tasting when the American economy became dogshit in 2008 and arguably STILL hasn't recovered. Only equities did.
When treasuries are garbage and the economy is garbage, then gold finally gets its rise but leveraged commodity ETFs are HOT TRASH even when the commodity they are tracking is moving in the right direction.
At this point I am thinking the play becomes 100% TQQQ, and the "rebalance" is to store profits into gold or exchange for foriegn currencies that are least likely to *BRRRRRR*
The Norwegian Kron, for example.

>>20280814
Then just buy QQQ and stop asking about it. Other anons have explained everything to you now and you’ll have to decided on your own.

>>20280848
Fair, I'm drunk and looking for positive confirmation from strangers re: my future investments. Smart movie right ?

>>20280639
SOLO

>>20280761
Always reminds me of this classic
The south sea bubble
>>20280835
I think the Euro is fine really.
You can only BRRRR when you have coordination and know who to give the money to. The US can decide to give it to Wells Fargo or Citi. Or just order the Fed to buy their bonds.
The euro countries all have to dance around Germany and Germany doesnt want to BRRRR. And even if it wanted to there would be arguments over which bonds to buy, who to give the money to, where/how to spend it it, etc.

As bad as it sounds, but the infighting makes it safer from the printing press.

>>20280814
>I just want to drop a lot of cash into the market now, DCA in for the next 20 years, and I don't see why it shouldn't just go into mostly QQQ.
The TQQQ/TMF split has been discussed for years arising from old financial forums as far back as 2015. Stocks and bonds are already the classic "boomer portfolio" and this just leverages it up. Because there is now lots of research and data that shows that 2-3x leverage (the ideal number is more ~2.5 but that is not really feasible) is optimally the tradeoff between traditional runs and dips.
If that scares you, there is SSO which is 2x leverage where the drawdowns are less but so will be the gains. Just holding QQQ really limits your gains but prevents slippage during prolonged crab i.e. sideways markets.
I just don't see a sideways market happening. The relative value of various asset classes is not going to remain fixed especially against each other. It is up to you and your risk tolerance for what you decide to do.

>>20280731
>No one that wants real returns bothers with companies that get a majority of their funding from government contracts.
Unless its the military. The gouvernment needs to give money to NOC or they will close shop and the rest of the world takes their tech and people.
Being dependent on the gouvernment makes you both a hostage of each other,

Will there really be time to capitalize on the whole wayfairgate fiasco with puts if the "news" is going to dealt with PM? Why shouldn't I just short W at 7:00am instead of potentially being hit with a correction on market open?

>>20280835
Gld ate shit in March

>>20280659
I have some shares. Figured it has the potential to pump decent percentages.

>>20280955
>wayfairgate
The what?

>>20280955
>capitalize
I don't think there's a good way. exit crypto is the only signal it gives me

>>20280977
pedowood pt.... 3? This iteration really hit the normiesphere hard.

>>20280774
sounds good to me. thanks anon

>>20280977
The overpriced cabinet with children sex slaves inside theory thats been circulating all over social media and the news this weekend

I just noticed EMAN was pretty busy during AH on Friday. Moon mission on Monday boys

>>20280961
>Gld ate shit in March
Gold ate shit in March because of fears of deflation. That there would be less money as everything worked to service debts during the liquidity crunch. In fact, if the Fed can't stop the deflationary spiral then gold will eat shit again. This is what JPOW is worried about but the market seems absolutely convinced that inflation will win.
And if it does, Gold will go to 3k. I even think Peter Schiff is a fucking idiot and I still think this. Because of money printing AND trash treasuries. Hell, maybe bitcoin too.

>>20280954
Government contracts mean you can overcharge and there is little momentum for you to do anything but deliver the bear minimum. Lack of competition makes your firm ill equipped to deal with changing tides in the market and prone to fucking things up.
Like holy shit, look at Boeing. Defense stocks are in boomer portfolios as an indirect government subsidy of their portfolio.

>>20281013
>pedowood pt.... 3? This iteration really hit the normiesphere hard.
So its schizo boomers running wild again?
Jesus Christ.

I wonder if the gouvernments of the world just flood the internet with this stuff so the stuff they really do gets ignored.
>>20281034
I dont watch the news. They only make me mad or sad. Or make me question if Im really the weird one for thinking a 10 year old doesnt need a sex change.

>>20281050
Boeing is just way beyond saving.
Their whole commercial planes were basically from the 60s and only upgraded with nicer looks.

That said, military companies have competition going on between each other and do not really have to adjust to market conditions. There is no new company popping up that is suddenly producing jets for example.
Still the gov needs to pay each one some money so they stick around.

>Portfolio 1
1/3 LMT, BA, NOC each
>PF 2
SPY obviously

>>20281126
>schizo boomers running wild again?
I agree, but I'm not sure how far off the trail they are. I think they won't be able to ask the right questions, but they have a scent.

>>20281050
>Gold ate shit in March because of fears of deflation.
I don't think that's right. I think very large GLD positions were sold that pushed the price down, because hedgefunds and shadowbanks had large and leveraged bull positions, and had to sell everything to cover when the trade went against them.

>In fact, if the Fed can't stop the deflationary spiral then gold will eat shit again.
I think that's right, though that's probably a nightmare scenario for the global economy regardless, and I'm not sure what would happen to the other currencies. When the culture of savings takes hold in the US, god forbid, the world will lose a major pillar of the global economy: the US Consumer.

>>20281126
>There is no new company popping up that is suddenly producing jets for example
I'm not so sure. Their dominance in the space industry/military might be shaken up by SpaceX, and who knows about Blue Origin or the others. And laugh all we want at China, there's reason to believe they stole enough info on the F-35 that their J-31 will be an upgraded version.

LMT doesn't JUST sell to the US, it makes enormous sums of money selling tech and jets and choppers and ground based defense installments to countries all over the world. I don't want to see China and Russia stealing away those contracts, but as US dominance is fading, other countries will want to curry favor with China.

>>20280547
I like Disney to, but this company is taking on more debt as long as this virus is around. If there's no vaccine by January, no point in investing in recovery plays. Too much debt to pay off.

>>20281221
>the world will lose a major pillar of the global economy: the US Consumer.
This always rattles me to my core.

>>20281157
nothing about this has a whiff of credibility to me, it looks like "just as ghislane is being arrested, this! Coincidence??? No way."

>>20280733
oh I was making a joke/being sarcastic, but the case for VIG isn't the divvy, it is that balance towards companies believed to have stronger balance sheets and cash flow, because you need that to raise your dividend consistently. It could be an outdated concept, but I like it.

>>20281225
Disney has an absolutely enormous pool of assets. Those act as a security blanket if they need the liquidity. You want to know what doesn't have sellable assets? REITs.

>>20280977
>>20281126
Jeez Luis, the wayfair debacle is silly even compared to my deranged conspiratorial thinking. Why do the silliest things penetrate into normal consciousness but not the real conspiracies? One day I'm gonna get instagram influencers to pose with Carroll Quigley books
>>20281050
Fugg I should really have re-entered gold in serious quantities, the fact it didn't skyrocket when the printing was announced mind spooked me even though I knew why it was happening >_<

>>20281260
>nothing about this has a whiff of credibility to me
I don't think any arguments presented are credible, but I think the normies are taking a "peek behind the curtain."

>>20281268
*sellable assets that don't affect book value

>>20281221
>When the culture of savings takes hold in the US, god forbid, the world will lose a major pillar of the global economy: the US Consumer.
That can never be allowed to happen. The slave must work. The slave must consume. And be indebted as well if possible.

>>20281260
>oh I was making a joke/being sarcastic, but the case for VIG isn't the divvy, it is that balance towards companies believed to have stronger balance sheets and cash flow, because you need that to raise your dividend consistently. It could be an outdated concept, but I like it.
Whatever makes you happy senpai.
Im currently pretending that holding QQQ and MSFT is diversification.

>>20281296
This is unironically true.

What I hate is that I want people to have savings accounts, but the more people save the worse their businesses will do and the less demand for jobs and ability to raise wages, and so on.

It's a catch-22 or something. Savings are a drain on the economy, and that has negative consequences. But I want to make sure no one I know doesn't have any emergency savings.

>>20281326
it is! You're indexed and you wanted to increase your exposure to MSFT!

I'm reviewing it now, there's some differences. VIG has 212 holdings to VOO's 504. But it IS kind of getting fucked, considering AMZN and GOOG and FB don't pay a dividend. Will this continue over my lifetime? I have no idea.

Give me a list of your meme pump and dumps. I’m looking for high reward. With or without high risky

>>20281381
>What I hate is that I want people to have savings accounts, but the more people save the worse their businesses will do and the less demand for jobs and ability to raise wages, and so on.
This is at the crux of a deflationary spiral. It rewards savers and not spenders. Money printing from the Fed since the 1990s has taken the stance that inflation is always the only good option. But it burns purchasing power and makes it ever harder to save for a retirement for most people.
It is no coincidence that the "wage stagnation" idea took hold. Because it is real. Salaries rarely adjust to inflation but equities did.
Also, it has helped even further to undermine "career employees". As obnoxious as it is to move, it is generally better to always be on the hunt for a new job rather than wait for promotion.

I just wanna make $1'000'000 so I can quit my full-time job and just work part-time, maybe 2 jobs depending on how much I like them. After just 3 years of full-time work I'm already over the wagecuck life. Can something I own please just moon 8000% real quick? I am but a simple man with simple desires.

>>20281033
the peak might be AH, so do watch for that
Theyre reopening 15th if you want to plan around that and watch

>>20280793
what about my NOC tho

>>20278546
WMT

invest in tech

it literally can't go tits up because we won't be alive if it does

>>20278900

Jesus Christ you’re retarded, cringing hard

Go open a book and stop huffing gas, retard. It’s hitting your IQ

>>20279097
you are better off with closed end funds then those.

>>20281556
What specific stocks do you recommend

>>20281633
now now, I know bears hate optimism, but there's no need for name calling.

>>20281648
whoever makes your phone, computer, or any other shit you use every day man

>>20278546
why are there people with redhat tattoos randomly in the middle?

>>20281633
So, why are markets not responding to forbearances?

That's right, no one cares. It's exaggerated. Nothing to be concerned about. Bull run continues.

>>20281828
I have to agree with the bullchad >>20281633
It doesn't matter until it matters

>>20281282
wow I did an online tarot and got that card as an outcome card, then I go onto this thread and see it again, very suspicious.

So what podcasts does /smg/ reccomend? I like Eurodollar University.

>>20282029
it must mean something right
isn't that how it works

>>20282100
listen to the complete works of beethoven and bach before you listen to a single second of podcast content
after that, the complete works of Whitman, Fitzgerald, and Faulkner
fuck podcasts

>>20282100
mcalvany weekly commentary isn't bad from a US side. a little dry, but he's genuine. Favors hard assets like PMs and infrastructure

>>20278834
>Risk parity etf's

Uhhhhhwhat?

Anons has anyone looked into RPAR?
"risk parity" etf that started in january.
It's kind of interesting

>>20282140
He’s very PM heavy, but in this environment one day the PM guys are going to be vindicated in a big way

im gonna buy stocks

Alright boys

Wake up

>>20282535
I’m awake I’m awake just don’t talk too loud

>>20282535
i want a cat again :(

>>267540822
Well /smg/?

>>20282622

Happy Sunday

>>20282637

Cats are good

>>20282642
Damnit
>>>267540822

Alright /biz/, I started checking reddit to see what stocks they shill and if there's any good info there, but I just can't stand that much retardation. They also tend to circlejerk a bit too much

>>20282665
Anon...

>>20278089
Eman and nio you mean

>>20282665
>>>/pol/267540822
Just..

>>20278305
wtf day are you even talking about? i can’t find any

Fuck EV and fuck China

>>20282736
this

>>20282668
The layout of reddit grinds my gears I don’t know how to you browse there

>>20282760
I won’t do it

>>20280977
>>20281013
>>20281282
People found multiple instances of generic products like pillows, rugs, and lockers at ridiculously high prices (like $10k) with one in stock that were named after missing people. They found at least a dozen matches. Its very strange.

Baking

>>20282668
>>20282760
Also I now understand where the basedjak meme comes from.
There's no way these people trade stock in a way that returns them huge gains with this smoothbrain sentimental perspective

New

>>20282852
>>20282852
>>20282852
>>20282852

>>20282689
If that's a legit leak my bet goes to either Boeing or AAL. Those two are the biggest American companies hovering a hair above total failure right now. Any other guesses?

>>20282896
OP said it wasn't mentioned, and was in the financials. stock screener of the financial services, current ratio below 1 suggest Charles Schwab. Hoping OP delivers, so i can dig deeper to confirm