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Fuck niggers fuck kikes

>>20180324
NIO chads report in. We are the new and better WKHS.

Bought some semiconductor stocks. Little chipmakers. Put them around the la casa.

>All it takes is dead nigger to collapse on the football field or for Trump to not be out in public for a week to get the stock market the jitters ;).
Fuck, you're right on this one. Imagine some nigger collapsing inside an Amazon warehouse from respiratory problems (induced by COVID-19), but he had to hide that fact and come to work otherwise he would be unable to pay rent and get evicted, or worse - lower his credit score more.

And then to top things off, because of how chaotic the Amazon warehouse is, he dies before he even gets to the hospital. It makes the national news. Protests everywhere, Amazon warehouses burned down by nigger arsons, bombings, riots calling for Jeff Bezos to step down from his CEO spot.. Amazon stock plummets to $1000 as all the soi Amazon consumers cry "tyranny! BLM!" - and the market takes a steep dive along with it as Trump disappears for a week due to safety concerns before the elections amid death threats coming his way.

Welcome to October 2020.
AMZN $2000p 11/20.

>>20180210
>>20180221

What strike and exp for NIO calls

>>20180387
Take your pills sweetie.

If you think the virus is overblown and aren't all-in on airline stocks, you're an absolute PUSSY

Is getting into options worth it? I've only traded ETFs up until now

how about another pump, tesla shorts?

>>20180387
>Amazon warehouses burned down
That wasn’t an amazon warehouse, it was a company that contracts with amazon

>>20180431
95% of my portfolio

I thought I bought the dip today but then it dipped more at close.

>>20180403
Maybe a $12 strike 7/10.

I’ve only been doing this since March but the best money making strategy I’ve found so far is go all in on meme stocks and sell before they dump. This strategy has taken me from 7k to 22k in two weeks. Will this end in disaster?

>>20180324
In all seriousness though, do I sell WKHS if I break even at 17.59 though? Or let the heavy hands do the talking?

Note that its the bulk of my investing money so I'm pretty much tied up in bags between this and MARK

>>20180371
400, reporting in.

>>20180479
No (yes)

>>20180479
yes, god speed

>>20180481
Im selling once i break even at 18.11 tomorrow. Itll probably pump to 18.5/19 by noon so get ready to dump

>>20180479
you gotta do what you gotta do sometimes
are you willing to lose that money or not

>>20180371
NIO Master Race checking in.

Shooting for $15+ tomorrow

>>20180479
Only if you let your guard down, which will eventually happen but most likely you will only lose a portion of your profits and actually unironically make it in the end.

>>20180479
Lmao. I went from 5k -> 50 k -> and held on the horse till I cashed out 30 k.

Started June 17th. Looking for the next meme play. Might be NIO

>>20180431
it doesnt matter what i think of the virus, the government has policies that are making all airlines bleed
who the fuck is going to fly for vacation if they have to quarantine for 2 weeks on arrival and then quarantine for 2 weeks back home? maybe for people who are still working at home, but they're not enough to stop airline cashburn
oh never mind that shit still isn't fully reopened

of course i bailed out and took my tiny profits from AC especially after their stock dilution bullshit

>>20180479
If you don't run out of day trades or have the rising stock before hand then perhaps not. Buying at 4 am and spending the next 18 hours watching my asshole get prolapsed was brutal

>>20180479
Depends on your psychology. If you're very stable you can literally ride the obvious meme magic / insider trading in these public circles to a cool million.

If you're emotional you will get ahead of yourself and buy into stupid rat memes posted by low IQs and wreck yourself.

Options are reserved for pure meme magic plays like TESLA or NIO and always at least 30 days out to allow meme magic its necessary infection period.

>>20180481
>>20180498
I'm surprised you guys have averages this high. I felt like I bought in extremely late buying in at 8 and 13.

>>20180520
It’s not might bro. It’s the chink Tesla, it can at least get 10% of TSLA’s value. Ignore anyone who says it’s a chink pnd, 3 minutes of research will show you it’s not. You’re on the right track, trust yourself and your research.
>>20180508
We are definitely getting there tomorrow or Thursday.
>>20180489
Chad amount bro. How much are you up already?

does anyone here know anybody who got booked by the CRA for trading "too much" in their tax free savings account and told to pay taxes on it as a business or something?
or do they only go after people who make it big like past $500k or something tax-free?

>>20180371
It was shilled here by a single guy who would only post "Buy NIO" with no variation or punctuation last year around October, right before it went 2x in a week.

Dude is probably a multimillionaire right now. Shit was trading at $2.

futures melting green. i bet green open tomorrow. the sell side volume today on indexes was quite unconvincing.

>>20180371
I had a major crush on Martina Hingis when she was playing. She was so cute.

>>20180562
Well I originally had it at 7.47. Sold at 11.51

Then 14 something. Aold at 21.5

Then I bought it at 19 something and have bought a bunch today trying to average down to save myself from eventual suicide

NIO will moon to $18 tomorrow, don't miss it

>>20180575
I'd like to see Canada do something about me over here.

If your WKHS average is higher than 11 or 12, please just play the options on it instead.

>>20180615
>covered options
you've taken a wrong turn, please go back to /wsb/

>>20180573
Thank you, fellow NIO Chad. Let's just say I made a weeks pay in a few hours, I then proceeded to shit post in all the group hats who doubted the move.

NIO is my current meme stock goldmine. Not sure when to sell

>>20180575
I have read stories. They were all rapid gainers in short period of time. All high six figures in to million mark. You shouldn't worry about it unless you have a very large account. Even then all Canada Revenue is going to do is tax some of that. They keep it intentionally vague just to give themselves the option of taking a cut if they feel like it.

>>20180575
>average down
That may work with something that you expect to trade sideways for weeks. If you double down if it dips and then sell half when it bounces, then you get some profit along the way. But buying falling knives failed me at least once before.

>>20180622
Why not? They can just sell covered calls on it if they plan on bagholding it long term to lower the DCA.

>>20180660
meant for
>>20180589

What's the next AEZS?

The close sell off was a massive bear trap. No one is panic selling and no third.retest of 3030 s&p in cards

Its melt up time through july and august overall with earnings fucking or pumping specifics

>>20180324
HORSIE, HORSIE...

ARE YOU READY FOR THE REDDEST DAY YOU'VE EVER SEEN IN YOUR PORTFOLIO YET?

>>20180660
catching falling knives is dope if you don't have cash pressure

but if you have cash pressure you should be 1. out of stocks completely or 2. making dumb options gamblerinos.

>>20180680
You were shilling it all morning, you tell us.

So we all agree that WKHS bagholders are to be called "Mr. Hands", yes?

>>20180687
I see a big crab desu.

3230 retest when?

>>20180680
$XELA
Thank me later.

>>20180698
Retard faggots fits better I think.

>>20180522
And they can’t even go to Europe because they’re not taking Americans.

>>20180687
I don’t think earnings will matter much, it’s forward guidance that will matter. Anyone that withdrew guidance and issues it during earnings will probably pump because market likes certainty meme.

>>20180702
ya
big and crab both of those

>>20180725
Tomorrow

>>20180725
I expect this week unless some bad news throws a wrench in the gears.

>>20180734
Why yall so mean some of us didnt have the good fortune to get out like some of you guys. One day everyones pumping and shilling the next youre shitting on bagholders. Fucking douchebags many of you are

>>20180744
Cute
>>20180760
Everyone wasn’t pumping, the pumpers were pumping. You chose to ignore the posters they were trying to drown out and call jealous faggots or trapped shorts.

If the posts read like stocktwits, you should be very skeptical.

>>20180760
Just busting your chops champ. Invest in NIO now and recoup then prosper.

>>20180760
Btw watch ptg threads. The way smg behaved with wkhs (and is currently behaving with nio) is exactly the same way ptg behaves with pump and dumps. We tried to warn you

>>20180760
Well, mine's funny because Mr. Hands died from literally getting fucked in the ass by a horse.

>>20180680
otlk, faggot

>>20180479
I agree. But I got fucked swing trading WKHS. Now I’m holding bags until it reaches $18

>>20180680
>>20180815
Samfag tripfag? Seems likely.

>>20178520
Ok, here's how I explain it.
The market is supposed to be based on earnings. The only reason stocks are a thing is because you can pay $100 now to get back more than $100 over a long time via dividends. It is a way of turning a lump sum into a cash stream. This is an attractive proposition for the wealthy, and so the stock market exists.
Because the future dividend return of a stock is not written in stone, there will be a certain amount of speculation on just how valuable a particular dividend income stream will be over a given period of time. As the price fluctuates during price discovery, there is room to make money on the volatility.
Almost everyone on this forum focuses on making money on the volatility rather than trying to convert their wealth into income streams. That is, they gamble on trying to understand price discovery better than the big players. Because this is all people care about here, it builds up the impression that it's all the market is. But that's not the market. The market is very wealthy investors trading positions in income streams, and dividends and earnings matter. What /smg/ sees as the market is the turbulence that follows around the big players' moves, but those real moves are based on fundamentals.
So unemployment matters, because it affects earnings. Ruined consumer spending confidence matters, because it affects earnings. The virus matters, because it affects unemployment and consumer confidence, which affects earnings.
When the fundamentals are bad enough, stocks no longer have a value as reliable income streams that you can trade your lump cash for, which means they no longer have a value to big investors. That's when they fall, but that fall is usually accompanied by a "dead cat bounce" which is a technical construction during a fall that lets the elite scoop up all the money from people who gamble on volatility. That's where we are now.
Don't kid yourself, the market is 60% overbought.

what's the minimum you'd start investing? I'm thinking about making a portfolio with $1000 canadian bucks. I'd like to do it smart and use machine learning to optimize the portfolio.

Fine. I will buy Nio tomorrow. But I’m not dumping these Horse calls. The Horse will rise again.

>>20180660
But i firmly believe workhorse will do big things. Im just trying to dig myself into profits earlier because I enjoy doing this shit during boring workdays. Right now I'm stuck

6k AYRO fag here. Fuck NIO chink shit. Buy AYRO thank me later. $10 EOW

>>20180702
If by crab you mean continued rise with some bear days yes. I see less vol than june

>>20180846
If you’ve never trading before I’d recommend $250. Figure out the ins and outs. This takes some practice and you learn a lot from losing money. Don’t expect to hit a homerun on your first at bat. Get your sea legs first then invest more money. Seriously, a lot of people here will tell you the same thing.

>>20180740
Well. Its seeing how much time some of the most hit stocks have left and where the balance sheet is.

Blackpill me on $CLSK. Is it the next stock to moon? Thinking of cutting my losses with $WKHS tomorrow and then fling all in on $CLSK. These bags are heavy af, bros.

NIO will moon to uranus

>>20180841
Oh boy boomer

Theres more to the market than dividends.

>>20180904
>>>/biz/png

NIO 18$ EOW

>>20180904
>>>/biz/ptg

>>20180846
>$1000
Consider Horizons 2x ETFs if you want to become a multi-thousandaire If you're on questrade you can buy in slowly like once a week just in case they dump (and they dump 2x) because you only pay a cent per ETF stock.

>>20180366
Based

Now please tell me TQQQ is gonna pump in the morning

>>20180904
>Thinking of cutting my losses with $WKHS tomorrow and then fling all in on $CLSK
Okay so will we expect you to come ask us what the next big move is after cutting losses on $CLSK?
Retard.

CALLING ALL SQQQDIERS- please report in. Friendly reminder the closest we can get to gassing the kikes is buying SQQQ

>>20180960
>you only pay a cent per ETF stock.
*in commissions.

>>20180919
> Theres more to the market than dividends.
Yes, there's also the promise of future dividends.
Are you under the impression that "growth stocks" are about something else than growing to a new level where they again feel comfortable with raising dividends? The speculation on a growth stock is that it will some time in the future start paying out such great dividends that it will become very attractive to the real, wealthy investors which is why you'll be able to sell your bags to them at a good price.
Without dividends, there is no stock market. Without owning a share of the earnings, why would anyone ultimately want to hold a stock in your world?
Don't tell me, your entire theory of investing can be summed up with "greater fool".

>>20180387
Looking at the Spanish flu charts, the deaths started in the 2nd wave and started the beginning of October.

Around that time:
Schools reopening
Sports
Warehouses preparing for Christmas
Presidential/state/local campaigns.

You have 2 presidential candidates in their 70's, not in the best of health surrounded by people.....

All it takes is one chip to fall.

>>20180989
Dividends are value traps and you’re a poorfag brainlet.

Institutional money dumping NIO

>>20180479
Thats how I got to 49k.
Started with 14k
Made 24k on KTOV
Lost 9k on GLBS
Made 5k on WKHS
I was at 58k with AYRO and MVIS yesterday.
Im going to ride AYRO to $10 per share. I have about 6k AYRO and 8k MVIS.

20180998
>no one talking about this fake bullshit
>you show up
Every fucking time around the same time of day. Almost like you're paid to do this.

>>20181009
> Dividends are value traps
Sure buddy. What do you think would happen to the stock price of a company who announced they would commit to never paying a cent in dividends for the rest of their future? What would, in your own words, be the reason for buying that stock?

>>20181019
You really think AYRO is going to $10?

>>20180989
Id rather they outpace gdp growth than pay dividends

>>20180998
Shut the fuck up you retarded boomer kike

>>20180974
FNGD, SPXS, KOLD, UVXY chad here

>>20181018
Nice spook shill, 18$ but EOW

>>20180841
Earnings are not even that bad.

>>20181039
Bullish, raising capital to grow company.

Unless it's because they HAD to, like with Royal Shell or certain bank stocks.

>>20181039
Would be a great stock with less tax burden.. Actually able to use capital properly.

>>20181039
Dividends are mathematically irrelevant to a stock’s value

I told you all not to buy calls today. Tomorrow, start loading up on SQQQ calls, FNGD and some IWM puts for good measure. Tech is going to die soon and small caps, as always, are going along with it.

>>20180998
>flu
You know this virus is completely different than a flu. The flu mutates at an incredible speed and mutates with other flu strains.

>>20180973
But $CLSK hasn’t taken off yet

Will there be a Pull back on NIO? I dumped the horse and gonna get in on the morning dip. What price target

>>20181054
Based FNGD chad

>>20181039
I’m not reading all that but enjoy the you

>>20181069
Dividends are an admission of nothing to spend money on and too stupid to buyback instead.

Its nonsensical

>>20181027
Nobody talking about fundamentals, either. It's like you are all pure price action TA driven brainlets who are annoyed with the idea that the real world can show up and impact your clean, beautiful, chart-based predictions.
Not everyone in /smg/ is a day trader, long term outlooks and fundamentals matter to some of us and the virus is hugely fucking relevant to that discussion, regardless of how much you wish it were not so.

>>20181009
I have around $2000 into a REIT and getting around $200 a year in dividends alone (never mind the recovery its stock price will get if all goes well) seems pretty nice. I mean 10% a year is typically good returns in general, never mind the losers that are happy with putting their money in GICs or something for less returns than inflation rate.
i mean it's not like you still can't gamble a portion of your money into pumps

>>20181061
Everyone I've seen is expecting a bloodbath next week.

>>20181092
Try to go in under 12.75 try to get out around 18-22.

>>20180479
This is clown world, so probably not

>>20181109
Thanks bro

>>20180455
DCA you retard

NKLA is finally dumping

Let's see how normies and Robinkiddos react, this is a good test for TSLA.

>>20180841
>The only reason stocks are a thing is because you can pay $100 now to get back more than $100 over a long time via dividends.
You realize that one of the biggest non-tech companies ever literally does not pay dividends because its big guy calls them retarded?
The companies called BRK.

You literally understand nothing of the value a stock has.

>>20181149
His shtick is to just write novellas worth of nonsense. Just filter and move on.

>>20181051
> STFU, FUCK YOU, YOU'RE DUMB,
> 12 years old

>>20181087
I know. Another concern is when the CDC director mentions that during the Fall, it could be way worse just based on people going to the hospital in droves thinking they have the Wuhan virus.....when they just have the common cold....

>>20181107
Financials won't do well, but lower earnings are already expected, watch earnings be better than expected, market goes up. Companies who already released earnings are not doing that bad except companies like Macy's

>>20181176
Im on mobile right now.
Cant filter anything sadly

>>20181149


>>20181149
Lmao also >any upcoming or newish stock

The market is now a meme and we can still plai it

>>20181044
100% It will go $10 short term.

>>20181039
This is a bad take. also, 50% of my port is dividend stocks

>>20180324
how do i find meme stocks?

or is it not about finding meme stocks, but buying all the meme stocks and hoping at least one of them to pump to tower of babel, and dump the losers?

It's kind of crazy how everyone talks about looking for the next meme stock when TSLA always has and always will be the best meme of our time.
>Tells the SEC to eat a dick
>Smokes weed on toe romaine podcast
>Who controls the media
>Take the red pill
>sells flamethrowers
>Tells share holders the price is too high
>Let the god damn people free.wav
>Trolls bears by selling shorts

Tell me again how Elon isn't the biggest troll of corporate world even more so than Martin Shkreli

>>20181213
I'm looking for a quick couple G's, I've been on a hot streak. Too late to hop on as long as I don't get greedy and cash out at $10?

>>20181062
>>20181069
>>20181078
>>20181095
>>20181047
>Id rather they outpace gdp growth than pay dividends

Yes, I know that you rather would. Reread my first post. You are trading on the turbulence of players who care about dividends. The reason some stock prices will go up so much is that real investors speculate that the company will become successful enough to eventually start paying good dividends. That's what a "growth stock" is, a company that is taking a pause on the dividends to use the money to expand their business with a view to eventually being able to pay even better dividends.
It is scary that nobody here knows even the basics of how and why a stock market works. But that's because you focus so much on the price action that you start thinking it is the reason for the stock market existing. It's not. Dividends are, and the sooner you understand this fundamental truth the sooner you all will stop making fools of yourselves. You don't even get that when you speculate on price action, what you are really speculating on are the long term prospects of turning the company into a viable income stream for wealthy people via dividends.

>>20181061
> Earnings are not even that bad.
Not compared to what they are going to be, certainly.

>>20181254
Invest in NIO before you FOMO I’m too late.

>>20181277

20181277
>wordswordswordswords

>>20181254
memestocks are not found, they made by the men who dare to believe in them

>>20181277
Just stop.

>>20181277
Considering all the monetary and fiscal stimulus, we might see earnings go higher for some industries. And companies pay dividends when they have nothing better to do with the money. That's why dividend companies hit there max. Tech companies have better things to do with their money so they dont pay dividends.

>>20181277
You want compounding not dividends.

I want them.to compound the returns not give them.to me to invest.

If they do have extra i want them to acquire or buyback.

>>20181351

Ex

Would i want nvda to give dividend
Or acquire.mellanox and integrate the tech into better cloud solutions...

The company is worth more aftee they use that money intelligently. If i want cash i can sell stocks.

What time does NIO usually pump?

For the rest of the week I predict redness and next week an s&p rally meaning that financials industrials energy will go up abruptly.

Screen cap this

>>20181101
>Dividends are an admission of nothing to spend money on and too stupid to buyback instead.
You are still thinking from the perspective of a growth stock. If your company has announced it considers itself a growth stock, which means a company that thinks it can expand business aggressively (implying there will eventually be a nice dividend) then you are right, paying out dividends instead during such a phase would be admission they failed at using the money to expand like they set out to do.
But a company that announced they intended to be a growth stock for ever and never pay dividends would not get any investors (well, ok, they'd probably get lots of robinhood and biz gamblers throwing money after them, if this thread is any indication) because they would have just declared that they never intend to make holding the stock a winning proposition except for the prospect of unloading on a greater fool, which is not a serious theory even if it's the only theory /smg/ runs on.
Come on, /smg/, the challenge is on: explain to me why anyone would ever want to buy a stock that had declared it would never pay dividends, without invoking greater fool theory.

Say you make $1000 on a good trade and then take that $1000 and reinvest it into something else and lose it all. You don't have to pay taxes on that $1000 in this scenario right?

>>20181365
Dividend is not a good sign. It means they cant use that cash effectively and for some reason hate tax incentive of buyback

>>20180680
You are supposed to tell me

>>20181382
yep, you deduct your losses against your gains

What is this pattern called?

>>20180998
At that time: an entire fucking military returned from world war all at once

>>20181380
BRK.B. faggot

Yes, the point is you never want a "dividend" stock because it sucks, is a bad tax strategy, and is opposite of why people invest.

>>20181387
but m-my T babies..

>>20181382
Yes, but your capital loss deduction is limited to $3000 per tax year.

>>20180841
You're 100% correct anon. Once people see the garbage/null returns these stocks are bringing, they'll realize they'd make better use of that money buying toilet paper and selling it on the black market.

>>20181019
how do you know which penny stock to get into?
do you just go all in once someone shills a penny stock here?

>>20181380
>>20181412
How can you both be so retarded? Answer lies in the middle.

>BRK.B
>doesn't grow
>doesn't pay dividends

Is it worth buying a shit ton of UONE because it will moon next time some negro gets killed in the news?

>>20181432
Nah. Its 2020. Tech is ascending

>>20181456
Yeah like Icarus.

>>20181440
Nah. It was a protest scam. Plenty of nogs have been killed since. Doesn’t make a difference. It was riding the wave of the event. Invest in something with actual value, like NIO.

>>20181478
I’ve got 1000 shares of NIO

>>20181487
Well then you’re a chad and you have nothing to worry about. It’s not too late to invest more into it.

>>20181380

I must correct you on one point.

It's not dividend itself that matter, it's profit. If the company takes the profit and invests in itself, the stock will raise accordingly, the dividends are discounted from the valuation of the stock. You'd have your return by just selling the stock anyways. In the long the growth of a company follows its capacity to increase profit, that's it, take any established company, plot the graph for profit, plot the graph for stock price, if the company is old enough they have about the same shape.

>>20180575

I assumed youre taxed on everything yoh make regardless... its income, after all

>>20181440
The CEO dumped half a million shares on June 22nd. LMAO

>>20181487
How can anyone stop you

>>20181259
I can't afford it.

>>20181508
The only question with NIO is when to sell. I made a nice profit on the horse but could have made more....

>>20181351
>You want compounding not dividends.
>I want them.to compound the returns not give them.to me to invest.
>If they do have extra i want them to acquire or buyback.
Yes, because you estimate that this will lead to greater growth of the stock price, which is the right approach when investing in a growth stock.

Look, people here see a company that pays dividends but doesn't grow as a useless stock for retired people. And that is correct, from your perspective, because you are on the hunt from growth stock.

The mistake all my detractors here make is to not understand that being a stable divided company is not where companies go to die, it's where they go when they have made it. That's the kind of company big investors like. It's not the kind of company a small investor hoping to get rich will like. But, and this is the central point I'm trying to make here, without the prospect of some day turning into a stable, dividend company, the price of growth stocks would not go up.

Your whole growth stock casino relies entirely on the prospect of those stocks eventually becoming non-growth stocks. At that point you will have exited, but that's when big players hold. Without this, there would be no logical conclusion to a stock rally, it would be built entirely on greater fool theory, i.e. thin air.

And that's why I come dragging with this shit. Fundamentals impact negatively the long term probability of growth companies turning into dividend companies, and that will in turn depress speculation, whether you like it or not.

>>20181410
BRK. B is an outlier and a class B share. The class A share has a dividend.

>>20181456
>>20181380
Alright fellows.. The reason people invest for dividends is cash flow. The replacement and/or improvement of monthly, quarterly, annual cash in hand. It's income. That is all. The retired can live off it, or the young can compound it into larger and larger payouts via reinvestment, or annualized dividend growth. in 20 years, a 3% dividend can compound into +50% yield on cost.

>>20181559
Neither one is a growth stock since 2018.

Wew lad, almost bought 10000 TOPS today.

>All this boomer dividend talk
You guys can enjoy your yearly 8% gains.
We want yearly 100% at the very least.

>>20181552
I told another anon my target price to get out is 18-22. I also missed out on making maximum profits on horse. Sold at 18 bought at 7. Happens. Profit is profit though. You will never always sell at the top. It’s an unrealistic expectation. You seem to be killing it, don’t stress miss profits or you’re always going to be upset even when you have gains.

Bros I lost 400 dollars buying a call yesterday and trying to average down on my premium today and it just kept dropping. What do? Part of me thinks deposit more and average down more tomorrow and hope for the best but part of me thinks that’s exactly what the jews want me to do

Okay niggers someone give me quick chart analyze on AVGO. Ive had 5 of those sluts since $200 back in ‘17. Made 50% returns and hella divvies. I personally see a rise to $350 in coming weeks and a chance for a fat %% gain running up to the next divvie payout in september. Someone redpill me. Looking for real discussion here for AVGO stock

>>20181569
>>20181595
Yeah at 1400% in 2020 but this dividend talk is riveting

>>20181619
>Looking for real discussion here
kek

>>20181619
Avgo, is an uninhabited Greek islet, in the Aegean Sea, north of the eastern coast of Crete. Administratively it lies within the Neapoli municipality of Lasith.

>>20181609
You should make a plan when you intend to cut your losses with options.

>>20181651
Reddit tier shit humor. Pull that shit irl among adults they will single you out as the autistic freak. Fyi

>>20181517
Yes, but ask yourself why anyone would want to hold a stock for a long time if the company made great profits but didn't want to share them with the share holders? How does it help the share holder if the company is making profits? Only if he can sell them for a higher price, right? Why would anyone want to buy them at a higher price? Because they can sell them for an even greater price...but where does that recursion end? If the company will never share its profits, what could possibly be the value for the guy who buys at the top?

When the time comes for the guy who buys the most expensive bag, he will either have made a good buy because by now the company shares its profit, or he will be a sorry bag holder.

/smg/ seems to think that it is inevitable that the guy who buys on top will be a sad bag holder. But that's what betrays a very shallow understanding of the system. If there were consistently the case, there wouldn't be any stock market, not only would nobody who understands finance want to participate, it would probably be illegal.

The reason the whole thing works is based on the idea that the guy who buys on top does so for a rational reason, converting his bag of money into an income stream. If that mechanism stops working, the whole market falls.

>>20181380
Why would a corporation declare they would never pay a dividend? Big dividends are for when the company can't reasonably use that money to grow anymore.

>>20181689
Just stop.

>>20181627
>>20181595
Dividend style of investing doesn't fit the /biz/ ideologue. Don't underestimate the divies, if done correctly it can build a fortress of wealth. Take on all investment types, profits by any means, and at all costs. GL lads

I can live with gambling, I can live with retarded bioshits, I can live with idiots thinking Ford will hit 300 dollars based on retracement back to 1986 and Czech folklore songs, and I can even live with seeing idiots get 2 million dollarydoos without even knowing a call even is.

But thinking stock price is dividends+future dividends is by far the dumbest stuff I have heard here. Im retarded but this is a whole different level. You actually understand the basics but then just shit on them.
Jesus heaven have mercy.

>>20181595
Just to be very clear: I have not recommended anyone on /smg/ to buy dividend stocks instead of growth stocks. Obviously not.

I have said that bad fundamentals -> bad dividends -> puts a damper on non-dividend companies' stock price growth, via the mechanisms I have explained.

>>20181595
The only sure safe way for the average pleb to double their wealth in a year is to get an education, a career, a better job, and use that to increase monthly investment.

Someone who invest $2000/mo with 10%/year yield over a decade beats another who invests $1000/mo with 20%/year yield. Increasing the yield can only get you so far, 100% is pipe dream lottery, increase your income wagecuck and stop risking all your savings.

>>20180784
That’s a man

anime is for fags

So what is the true value behind a stock? Is it literally just a trading card that's as cool and shiny as the company behind it? And we're perfectly fine with this?

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH OIL STOCKS? ENB has been fucking dead for months. What the actual fuck is going on? Someone redpill me? Did us oilchads get bogged?

guys i think im losing my hair what stocks do invest in

>>20181784
Supply and demand, that is all, there is a maximum shares outstanding, if people buy the stock the value goes up if people sell it goes down, that's all it is.

>>20181700
Exactly.
It is a thought experiment to demonstrate the relevance of future dividend expectations for a current growth stock.

Even if people here don't know fundamentals, it's fucking sad that /smg/ can't even follow logic reasoning and understand the points being made instead of just parroting whatever lines they think they have heard others say in similar contexts ("Dividends? Hah! I want a growth stock!!" "yes dear, that was the assumption") as if they were contributing to a discussion.

>>20181689
A company could take their profits and instead distributing dividends, buy out their competitors. It would be almost like them giving the money to you, and then you go buy those competitors yourself, except without the advantage of holding a monopoly. Of course this can't go on forever, but how many competitors has Coca-Cola chosen to buy over distributing the equivalent profits? A lot.

>>20181791
To much, and low cost oil. Also, ENB won't just be dead when it cuts that dividend (300% payout ratio)

>>20181797
Your health
A better shampoo
A lower stress level
Vitamin b and folic acid supplements

>>20181784
The true value behind a stock is DIVIDENDS!
Read through the thread and find a single issue with a single argument I have actually made.

>>20180324
big crash big crash big firesale of stock!

>>20180851
Same. Horse is literally soing nothing wrong. Come July 14.

NIO is the current Meme and I don't hate money.

>>20181835
>The true value behind a stock is DIVIDENDS!
this guy makes dividend investors look like tards. So much in fact, im beginning to think it's intentional

>>20181797
NIO

>>20181839
when

Only 2 months until PEP overtakes KO in market cap. Sweating yet, KOkies?

>>20181835
the physical assets of a company all play on their (minimum) value as well

>>20181285
It’s a PnD. They lose money on every vehicle made

>>20181818
What is the benefit of owning one company over owning all the companies if you don't get a share in the profits from any of them?
> price goes up..?
Yes yes yes yes I know but how does the recursion end? At the end of a rally only a rich guy can afford to buy your bags. How will you convince him to do so if none of the shares pay dividends? He knows that if they don't pay dividends, he wouldn't be able to sell his shares to someone even richer, so he wouldn't buy them for that reason.
Without dividends, the greater fool theory stops with you.

>>20181880
Have you heard of Tesla? It’s pretty much the same situation.

Some of you guys are cool. Don't come to SPY tomorrow.

>>20181878
own both :p
no reason to play favorites

>>20181897
big cat :')

>>20180725
Next Thursday after another jobs report. Covid is slowing down when adjusted to tests. At least until 2 days ago. Today was pretty bad I think. But if it shows down and another good jobs report comes out, I expect a nice really next week. Even the technicals in the financials industrials and energy are getting too depressed

>>20181859
YOU CAN'T FUCKING READ!
I have not. a. single. fucking. time. recommended anyone here to buy a dividend stock.

I have explained the relationship between future dividend expectations and the price action of growth stocks. Do you seriously know so little that you deny this relationship exists?

>>20181752
Is.anyone here normal though.

>>20181879
1) The reason a growth stock grows is expectations on future dividends (not that you will collect, but the people you sell your stocks to)
2) Fundamentals, including assets, will have an impact on the dividend paying capability in the future
3) Therefor, fundamentals expected to have an impact on future ability to pay dividends will have an impact on growth stock price action today.

So yes you are right, but you are right because of dividends in the way I have explained.

>>20181784
Technically only supply and demand. Same as food. But there is more to food than its price obviously. Same here.

You get a Share of that company. You own a part of it.
You get voting rights, youre share is backed by 1/100000th of the company itself. When that companies value increases your value increases. You get to decide what course that company takes in the future.

And more importantly, other companies need to pay you money if they want to get involved in that company as well. Deutsche Bank wants to decide how AAPL works? They need to buy your share.
And this all mixed with the expectation of how it will be in the future.

This is very simplified, but its 3:40am here.
Read Graham or Buffett. Their explanations are quite good usually.

Oh. And dividends. Though many companies pay none or so little it hardly matters. Like BRK.
They also add value to a stock.

Someone saying that the value of a company is based on future dividends is retarded. Same as a person who says its all just "How much the company is worth"
Like someone argueing that the market is gambling.

>>20181846
You know that July 14th, the bidding ends right? And the Contract won’t be awarded till 90 days from July 14th?

>>20181805
Let me add to this that a high stock price affects the underlying assets, Soros on Amazon bigger price means easier raising of capital and other stuff:

>The high stock price has allowed the company to receive cheaper financing costs. And attract exceptional talent which in turn has lead to increased growth And hide costs by including stock options as a large portion of employee compensation And be unconcerned with profits, enabling them to drastically undercut competition and steal market share


https://macro-ops.com/understanding-george-soross-theory-of-reflexivity-in-markets/

>>20181752
You are fucking retarded, if the other person who invests $1000/mo with 20%/year yield can do it, why can't the guy who invests $2000/mo.

Selling covered calls on blue chip like Google or Apple on a weekly basis (ie. running the wheel) will get you hell of a lot more than 8%/year anyways.

>>20181965
Most traders and investors buy growth stocks for the expectation of growth.

>>20181784
There. It's not even hard math

>>20181995
>if the other person who invests $1000/mo with 20%/year yield can do it, why can't the guy who invests $2000/mo.

because of cost of opportunity

one guy spends all day on his computer looking at lines, the other guy is studying and working a real job and getting promotions. If you want to be rich you have to increase your income, raising a yield by 5% will do shit.

>>20182026
Hmmm I recognize some of these symbols

>>20181965
I think a lot more people would accept your point if you said returns instead of dividends.
Eventually, all stocks will reach a point like you say where it becomes a raw future return calculation, but most people disagree with you because dividends aren't the only way companies give returns nowadays. Buybacks are extremely popular and appreciate the value of investors' holdings too. It's harder to fathom how buybacks can be seen as a direct return, but if you knew that a company would spend 20B a year on buybacks, it'd be similar to spending 20B on dividends in that all that value gets passed on to the investor.

Or you know you could do both divvies and growth stocks.. nothing preventing you from doing both. ETF's pay out divvies,VTI,etc, and funny how no one complains about that little fact. If you got excess money and a lot of time hell why not do both. I mean hell what the fuck else are you gonna do while your counting down to your retirement date..

>>20181149
>You realize that one of the biggest non-tech companies ever literally does not pay dividends because its big guy calls them retarded?
Is this really the level everyone who fails to understand my very simple message operates on?
BRK is a holding company. They can infinitely jump between growth stocks, just like you lot. That invalidates nothing I have said. Ask Buffet and he will tell you the reason it is possible for an investor such as you or him to keep jumping between growth stocks is that those growth stocks eventually turn into dividend stocks, which is the exit time for him and you.

It's so fucking simple. Don't invest in dividend stocks, but also don't fool yourself that fundamentals don't matter for growth stocks via their impact on future dividends, for the reasons I have outlined.

What’s spy doing tomorrow I’m underwater 316$. 7/13c I bought at open thinking I was grabbing a dip I couldn’t day trade out at midday how fucked am I?

>>20182072
The first fair objection in the thread. Yes, you are right.

quick rundown on futures

Rundown

>>20182081
In all this rambling you did not make one argument why BRK itself has any value despite never paying any dividend.

BRK is a stock. It never paid dividends. It never will, as a fixed company policy.
Name one reason that companies stock has value then.
A single reason. Just one (1).
No past dividends. No future dividends.

>>20181609
What call did you even buy?

>>20182139
tomorrow will be a bullish day. some say we're approaching a bull trap

>>20182139
>Apmex ad
The ad bots are forewarning viewers.

Still waiting for that rundown on futures Jim

>>20181009
>>20181047
>>20181149
This is the average /smg/ poster.

>>20180898
>>20180784
>>20181129

>Fuck Kill Marry

>>20182175
ngl he's fucking hot. that black dude is honestly a demigod.

>>20180324
> not choosing the best quintuplet
smdh

>>20182181
They aren’t wrong though. Dividends are boomer gay shit. By the time you invest enough money for dividends to not be small as fuck, you don’t care about that amount of money anymore. It’s all about winning big, cashing checks, snapping necks, watching beck, and getting neck. Fucking boomers lmao.

>>20181526
normally we are not, that's the point of trading in a TFSA, but the most successful people trading in a TFSA had to pay taxes because CRA argued they were essentially a job (daytrading) even though CRA never specifies what counts as daytrading
but i guess i'll never actually have to worry about that since i'll probably never make crazy gains like that

>>20182223
It's not about investing in dividend stocks you absolute cretin. You think they are not wrong because you yourself don't understand the point what the other anon is saying. Jesus Christ.

>>20182139
CHOCOLATE CONSUMPTION TRENDS

>>20182242
I was being sarcastic hence the retarded end.

>>20182139
Apmex has good ad targeting.

>one solitary tripfag
>dank memes
>300% moon missions every week
>financial ruin
This...this feels like old /rhg/..... You guys are alright.

>>20182189
Either kill and marry is reversed or you really like your fat girls.

>>20182181
Pretty much. One OTM covered call beats what most companies offer as a yearly dividend.
Dividends are a non issue for me. I get what 50$ from MSFT? 40$ from MA. Just the last two I got.
Peanuts.

Unless youre talking private holding company tax saving dividends in Malta. Then Im all ears.
>>20182242
>The only reason stocks are a thing is because you can pay $100 now to get back more than $100 over a long time via dividends.
There is nothing to misinterprete here. "The sole value of a stock is based on (future) dividends."

Which is retarded and deserves no further argument. Though we have humored the retard long enough now imo

When will you dump NIO ? 25 ? 30 ? I’m thinking dumping at 23

>>20182297
18

>>20182191
All I see is a black stain on my screen.

>>20182297
I was thinking 22 honestly so we’re gonna dump around the same time.

>>20182175
I TOLD YOU DON'T LISTEN TO THE FUTURES, TIM. THEY'RE JEWISH LIES, TIM.

>>20182144
I will never pay out dividends, and yet I can make money for myself investing on stock market.

If you give me your money, I can invest it for you and make money for you. Still not paying dividends. That's what BRK does. BRK is an investor that lets you in on the action. But BRK couldn't function if the companies they invested in decided to never pay dividends.

> but BRK is a company, so companies don't need dividends, check mate!

Companies that produce, not holding companies. But your misunderstanding is illuminating. From a perspective that disagrees with mine, a stock market consisting of nothing but holding companies holding each other would be feasible.

We're back in business horse bros. Imagine all the reddithood retards in this general who sold at a massive loss today. 25 tomorrow

>>20182306
18 will be tomorrow?

>>20181892
You're forgetting an important factor - the owner of the majority of the common stock OWNS the company. This is obviously irrelevant to the retail investor, but it puts a floor on the price even if the company never pays dividends. If the value of the company ever fell too far below its book value, there would be an arbitrage opportunity for a wealthy investor to basically get free money by buying out the company & selling all its assets. Furthermore, even if they didn't firesale the company, they could still get a good income stream WITHOUT dividends by paying themselves from the company's income stream (they're the boss now, they can do that). Dividends won't sway the opinion of your hypothetical rich guy if that money would have been going into his pocket either way.

>>20182297
18.5

How do you like the reckoning? Money matters not now

Anyone paying attention to what’s happening with doge? I’m not a cryptofag but Jesus Christ.

>>20182346
Based. These dips dont scare me anymore. Ive got ironhooves. 21 tomorrow

>>20182383
what happen

>>20182383
fuck off there are 20 other crypto threads you can post this dog shit in

>>20182383
>+20%
>JESUS CHRIST GUYS!! OMG!!!

>>20182383
No, but if it brings back memes with comic sans I support it.

>>20182284
>fat

>>20182427
Yea shes fat as shit. Imagine waking up next to that lardass hippo bitch. I can tell youve never met a girl irl. These landwhales never look like their photos

>>20182383
my cousin bought it on a rumor wonder how he feels rn

>>20182427
Yes, fat. You don't get fucking thunder thighs and not be fat. Feet look pig-like too.

>>20182427
Yeah she is fat.

I'm a marry the girl you are killing.

>>20182436
better than waking up next to no one like you desu

>>20182262
>I was being sarcastic
I couldn't tell, looks like regular post desu.

>>20182294
>but muh BRK has no divies
It's a managed fund dingus.

>>20182459

Investors panicked by fear causing stocks to slip by Dr Powell covid concerns testifies

>>20182345
>Implying BRK just holds stocks
They buy out whole companies too you retard, as in they OWN the company and are entitled to the profits of those companies WITHOUT needing dividends. Want to buy GEICO stock? You can't, the company is wholly owned by BRK and is no longer listed on an exchange. Does BRK get "dividends" from GEICO? No, it gets their profits directly, no shell games needed. You're thinking too small, from the perspective of a buyer of a whole COMPANY, how the profits are currently being distributed is completely irrelevant since that can be changed easily by a new owner.

I have a buy order for NIO in the morning, is it too late to get in now ? Going to pick up 100 shares but if it’s going to be like WKHS it might be too close to the top . I’m unsure

>>20182502
You're hired. Welcome to CNBC.

someone rate my memelines

Cant wait to see all the crying tomorrow when NIO goes into the toilet and WKHS returns to 21. The establishment investors are too good at shaking you weak handed babbies out of their way

Imagine being an "investor" and panicking.
All I can imagine are scared ass motherfucking boomers.

This is how I imagine most of these scared "investors" and retards that buy into shit they aren't really sure of then get spooked after one or two days of red.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XbHj0ynJ6w#t=0m14s

Go to 0:14. Just about sums up Robinkiddies and clown "investors" for me.

>>20182459
Belle Delphine is an actual skank, no ass no tits no class. At least the persona we see, woud fuck not keep.

>>20182533
>using meme lines on an index

>>20182532
Imagine being this delusional

>>20182532
I'm holding WKHS and riding the NIO wave. There is no need for this to be a faction war.

>>20180522
skywest was down 8% or so at 4pm. so i bought 100 shares at 29.30 its back up 4% ish

>>20182460
The more experience you get in dating women, the more appealing waking up alone becomes

>>20182567
There are people using TA on VIX futures...

With regards to the big blue chip stocks. You people have to remember your audience.

Look at the people who rode workhorse from $5 to $20 and sold. I bet the vast majority that did that here invested less than $500. So you got really lucky and 4x your money to $2000. The odds of you doing it again are remote. It isn't going to happen.

Now look at my situation. I have $50,000 invested in bank stocks. My goal is they recover 30% and I make around 15k. I'm just not going to risk 50k on a stock like horsey. So invest your paltry sum on those things. Me I'd rather buy options on blue chips if I want to be risky.

>>20182517
It’s going as high as 34. You’ll be fine.

>>20182502
Fear has taken a corporeal form

Is this bearish or bullish

>every time I look at oil futures they're red
>they're around $40.5 every day for a while now

>>20182603
bro I feel you

>>20182567
just tell me what you think of the memelines

>>20180576
or he sold it at like 5$ like my friends did who bought 2000 shares of AMD a few years ago at 1.50$

>>20182612
I respect you for holding banks through the earnings next week. I'm too much of a pussy to do something like that.

>>20182623
>just tell me what you think of the memelines
You can't do shit without seeing the volume.

I don't get it. A lot of people hate Divvies ok, fine. But yet everyone swears on a stack to bag VTI and call it a day if you want to just toss your money in something and make a nice wad without worrying about all the little details. But VTI pays out a divvy.. So the divvy hate kinda goes out the window then. I mean frankly long as your making money what kinda stock or fund it is shouldn't really mater. Your pulling down on avg what 8, 10% a year on your typical fund. How much does your bank fork out again, not even 1% percent.. Uh, what's there to complain about again.. Not making money surely.

>>20182612
what are your top bank stocks?

>>20182623
Kys u fucking niggerkikefaggot

>>20182383
I bought 100 dollars worth , not sure what it means to be honest

>>20182623
>just tell me what you think of the memelines
All it says is S&P may be approaching decision time on upsides or downsies. However, often indexes in particular will fail to resolve up or down from these triangles and instead continue plowing on crabbish. It's just a neutral reading.

>>20182612
Your goal is them recovering while we know that WKHS has volatility thus offering superior premiums in return for some risk. Selling $10 puts and buying them back is the easiest cash I've made in a while. At one point the premiums couldn't keep up with price swings and I'd be able to flip a put sell in less than 2-3 minutes for 10% profit.

>>20182223
And conversely I can think that bagholding growth stocks is the worst of all worlds. If I want to capture growth stock volatility, I'll make better profit margins with calls and none of the downside exposure if the stock unexpectedly tanks.
If I'm going to hold bags, those bags better be paying me quarterly to hold them. Ask yourself what do trading desks baghold? Dividend/yield securities. They just use options to bet on everything else.

>>20182667
I'm all in Citigroup with 700 shares and the rest options.

>>20182667
TD boyo

should i sell my TSLA?

>>20182711
But that isn't sustainable and you aren't saying how much you invested.

i bought 20 shares of WKHS at 20 and 5 shares of NIO at 13.30 with a limit buy for 5 more at 10 dollars. How fucked am i. i have 175 dollars left everything else is in stocks

>>20182666
>A lot of people hate Divvies ok, fine
Nobody hates dividends. More active traders don't factor them in as you may or may not be in and out without every holding through the ex-div date. Sometimes I'm holding swings when ex-div day rolls by and I'll happily collect that bonus bit of money but it's not a motivating factor behind when I buy or sell.

>>20182741
hmmm
their logo looks familiar
why is their CEO a dude named Bharat Masrani

WKHS may get manipulated by kikes, but it will not dump. It will recover. NIO, however, will collapse... and all the shills will instantly evaporate and you’ll never hear about it again.

Remember BLNK? Remember SOLO? Seems kinda similar to this NIO posting, huh?

>>20182667
WFC hit almost rock bottom today.. If that don't scream "Buy me!" I don't know what does. So they cut the yield in half, big deal. Your still getting 4% a year at rock bottom prices. That's more than most banks fork out still.

>>20182778
Canadian

>>20182780
>please don’t give up on WKHS, I invested a lot of money into this too late
Not going to work fag.

>>20182827
>23 NIO-shilling posts by this ID

>>20182780
>remember BLNK
yea i do remember blink i held for a coupld days and it broke all time high

>>20181420
sort of this is only if your losses are more than your gains, thats where the 3k come into play, IE if you gain 100k then reinvest 50k and lose it you pay taxes on 50k Gaines not the 100k, if you lose more than you gain in a year you can only use the capital loss for up to 3k, how do you not know this and function

>>20182757
I know it's not sustainable, but if all my cash was tied up on stuff like SPY or growth stocks I wouldn't be able to make plays on stuff like WKHS.

As far as my portfolio goes it's 40% TQQQ long holding, 30% speculative stock money, and 30% AMZN (mainly because I get RSUs from Amazon). Yeah I know it's not balanced but it's done way better than 10%/year boomer SPY shit for me so..

Total folio is maybe $350k across RH and TD

>>20182780
I literally made money on every stock you mentioned in this post. Imagine being a one stock retard.

>weak hands get scared by the AM horse short
>panic sell at 10am
>it bounces at 11am
>red wojacks
>buy back in at peak
Screenshot this

>BLNK and SOLO can't even hold green for more than a few days and lacks support near ATH
Hope you guys didn't FOMO into BLNK and SOLO near ATH...

>>20182612
ok boomer

anyone else like DFS? it's treated me well

>>20182918
That’s great that you made money gambling on meme PnDs. Not the point. People aren’t saying “Dude check out NIO it’s pumping, but dont hold too long because the hype is artificial and it will dump tomorrow”. They’re acting like it’s the next Tesla.

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tax avoidance seminars

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>>20182612
>invested in bank stocks
>not 2x or 3x financials ETF
It's time to believe in your thesis.

>>20182612
>You people have to remember your audience
What? you mean we can't generalize people and we have to actually think about the different approaches to securities?

>>20180989
original anon who promised not to call you a cuck here, there's more than dividends though, companies are also taken private and you can be bought out for a nice sum of money because someone really wants to own that company, and of course you could be one of those few groups of people collecting ownership through shares with the aim of owning it yourself.

I had other things to say, I'll be back later tonight, but your point about fundamentals isn't lost on me. Though I question anyone who tries to quantify how over/under valued the market is at any given time. Especially when they do so as if it’s a matter of fact.

>>20182951
I flipped SOLO for 100 bucks on the same day

>>20182951
pls package the asian girl in a takeaway box for me thank you. also i will need napkins.

I’ve been holding SSL for months now. Down 25%. Do I sell these bags or keep holding? Was planning on holding until next year but not sure if it’s worth it now.

>>20182904
I never said that wasn't the case you shit eating nigger anus.

thats a great sticky
I want to get started,

>>20181104
>focus on fundamentals
>miss the entire bullrun