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>>20127110
These have a nervous system and a spinal cord. It’s not right

>>20127110
They should just ship them to Africa.

>>20127645
>based vegan anon
>ive sucked cock, i hold link, i dont drink and i dont eat animal products

>>20127672
wait why is this a good solution?

>>20127110
I barely believe in most "human rights" and "equality" so I am fine with chickens being culled. Hell, compost them into some sort of biodiesel and use it to fuel the egg plant and farms, if you care so much you fucking hippy.

>>20127110
I don’t care lmao

Meh pretty disgusting but it's probably over quite quickly for most of them. If i just woke up and instantly got chucked straight into a woodchipper head first I'd probably be dead before I knew what was going on.

The question is, what is the alternative?

>>20127802
Raise the chickens and cut off their balls. Then sell as deluxe meat.

>>20127110

Get your own chickens, they're so simple to keep, and if you happen to get a cockerel then raise it for meat. I was vegan for 4 years. I got very sick, malnourished, and generally fucked despite taking all the recommended supplements. It's a total libshit meme lifestyle.

>>20127110
No a serious issue is that there is an elite group of people who pass around children as a means of blackmailing eachother and keeping their system in check. This is a non-issue that no one cares about.

>>20127952
The amount of pre packaged food and supplements that the average vegan consumes is outrageous. The fact that people still argue that it is better for the environment is mind blowing. Especially when you can slaughter an animal in your own backyard but your fruits/veggies/prepackaged foods are shipped around the world. Good luck surviving on a local diet while eating vegan.

>>20127110
Looks tasty

>>20127110
>>20127645
The eggs you get at the store aren't fertilized you fucktards.

This is a better death than most humans will get
have fun rotting in a retirement home
business and finance.

The only problem with this is the waste

>>20127110
Add yoghurt and make a tendy smoothie

>>20127952
yeah plant based diets are not healthy at all its literally fake science my doctor literally developed a program to help former plant based people recover, any diet that requires such a strict protocol and monitoring is obviously retarded literal slave diet

>>20128442
what waste? killing animals is good for soil

>>20127110
did read, don't care

>>20127645
Learn how to identify sexes inside the egg, then sell the males as balut eggs.
There
Problem solved
Made some profit
No cruelty

>>20128504

Yep I started eating meat again and my health returned, but it took time. I couldn't concentrate on work, was prone to depression and mood swings (normally really even keel). First ate eggs, then fish, then dairy, then meat. Feel good again.

>>20127698
It's food

>>20128646
>yeah plant based diets are not healthy at all its literally fake science my doctor literally developed a program to help former plant based people recover, any diet that requires such a strict protocol and monitoring is obviously retarded literal slave diet
>Spend any amount of money on determining sex
>Get capitalism'd

>>20127110
wtf they cant tell the gender before hatching?
seems like a normal gruesome reality of living in meat world though desu

>>20127645
>>20127110
tell me more about your organic fruits and vegetables that are all tightly packaged and contribute to the massive plastic waste problem we face

>>20128646
>>20128686
>>20128703
>the hatchling doesn't identify as male
what then? kek

>>20128727
wtf are you talking about, my fruits & veggies come with no plastic

>>20128646
Ssshhh!!! You give our secret to infinite abundance away, Paolo.

>>20128357
from the op:
>Around 7,000,000,000 male chicks are culled every year because they do not lay eggs.
lele

They die for the glory of my greatness as a superior life form. I demand sacrifices.

>>20127645


Since when did them having a nervous system and a spinal cord mean we should feel something for them? Doesn't mean they are self aware? I just don't understand this argument. You feel something for living creatures that aren't human. Why? I probably lack empathy buy I would really like an explanation as to why this argument you posed somehow supports not killing them.

They're not "someone's" children. They aren't people. They're animals. They live a completely separate experience from ours. Horrific, sure. But do they even have the capacity to understand their situation? If not, should we even be concerned?

How is this shit not #cancelled yet?

>>20127698
Because chickens are more intelligent than the Africans so it will make a difference.

>>20127110
If you don't think the same fate is coming for humans one day you're dumb as fuck

>>20128993
your wont understand because your chinese

>>20127110
>>20127645
>They have a nervous system and spinal cord. It’s not right

Adult chickens are barely alive in the first place, if you want to try to make people feel bad should go for pigs, they’re one of the smartest animal alive. However they’re not people and God explicitly stated they were put on Earth for man to eat and use to grow and prosper.

I bet at the same time.this fruit is pro-choice, completely invalidating their argument. I’ve never met a retarded vegan fuck that wasn’t also ok without dragging human children screaming out of wombs and murdering them.

Really makes you question their motivation, and who they work for.

Yeah it's bad but life is fraught with suffering, the physical existence we experience is a hellscape and it's time to admit that

>>20127110
Blame US food subsidies. It's not that we "can't stop eating eggs." It's because meat producers get money from the government every year to maximize meat production that no one really eats and keep grocery prices artificially low.

Mmmm...milkshakes

>>20127110
u pro choice?

>>20127110
We must kill them. We must incinerate them. Pig after pig. Cow after cow. Village after village. Army after army.

>>20129734
Same guy as meat eaters.The one with the horns. And i'm not vegan. Mafist though.

>>20129734
>However they’re not people and God explicitly stated they were put on Earth for man to eat and use to grow and prosper.
However they’re not people and God explicitly stated they were put on Earth for man to eat and use to grow and prosper.
(((God))) (O)

It's the perfect analogy for this world being a meat grinder where no good is produced without evil.

>>20129734
God didn't say anything to anyone you retard

>>20127110
They're expendable animals bred specifically to have their lives used and disposed of as we please.

>>20127110
What are the alternatives?
The RSPCA continues to urge the egg industry to invest in alternatives that remove the need for male chick culling and avoid the potential pain and suffering with current killing methods. Technologies such as hormone level analysis of egg fluid, the use of spectrophotometry or cameras, and fluorescence microscopy have all demonstrated sex determination of eggs is possible. Sex determination of eggs during the first few days of incubation allows for sexing prior to the embryo developing a sensory nervous system and potential pain perception. Once egg sexing has occurred, male chick eggs can be removed from incubation and used for other purposes such as processing into animal feed or utilised in laboratories. These emerging technologies are providing commercially viable alternatives to male chick culling. Continual research and innovation in this area will ensure male chick culling can be phased out without delay.

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It comes down to technology and how much they are willing to spend.

>>20131467
i bet its way cheaper to just grind em up and feed to chickens. I find it kind of repellent but my moral philosophy is based around not propagating needless pain and sentience of the sufferer and a blender is probably pretty painless to a dumb newborn.

>>20131398
Like you.

>>20128252
>there is an elite group of people who pass around children as a means of blackmailing eachother and keeping their system in check
I have yet to hear a compelling rebuttal to this theory. It would make a lot of sense if true.

Why is cock-fighting an issue when the same people conveniently ignore muh 7 billion hatchletts. I've been living with domestic chickens since child. When you eventually get multiple adult roosters, they will guaranteed kill each other if left unsupervised, unless you give them each enough territory and at least 10 of their own hens to fuck. When they kill each other you can take the dead one and eat it! No culling necessary on your part. If you live in any tropical shithole you can actually raise them to be ruthless ape niggers and sell them to fight rings for a couple $1000s. Then you have a fun night with da boyz, win some money watching nature take its inevitable course, and barbecue the losers.

>>20129858
You can then work to making it Heaven on Earth anon.

>>20128993
Read your post, and imagine an alien saying it about you, because you’re retarded in comparison.

Only Aryans care for nature. You can’t understand

>>20131398
You deserve death. Only Aryans care for nature. You can be found

Negative utilitarianism is a monstrous ideology that requires the extermination of all life, as invariably life results in non-zero suffering. Anyone championing it is either a smooth brain that has not thought the position thorough to its logical conclusion or an enemy of Life and should be put down like a rabid dog

>>20132649
aryans were never vegan or plant based
stop trying to push the pajeet scam of plant based slave diets, vedanta is demonic and anti-nature.

>>20127860
This. Only issue is to caponize a chicken takes skill, one that has died over time thanks to Agro-industry.

>>20128646
You can determine the sex of an egg by the shape of it. But it’s not 100% accurate. I guess it’s much easier to hatch the eggs and cull them than to risk losing a few pullets

>>20131688
As long as you don’t put a knife on their heel and let the killing occur naturally

>>20127740
BASED ALERT

>>20127645
>NOOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST GRIND UP THE ROOSTERINOSSSSS. THEY GOT HECKIN CNS AND SPINAL CORDS!

>>20127740
Based

>>20127110
This is such a subtle blackpill.

>>20127110
he's right tho. fuck around and find out son

How is this shit not #cancelled yet?

Make inappropriate comments at work? You’re fired

Grind up 7 billion baby birds a year? *shrugs*

>>20131520
Yes it is also way cheaper to use cfc in refrigerators and burn NOx rich substances without filters and yet people don't just do it because of regulation. Talk to your congressman or whoever is your law hanging body and demand regulation. How much do you want this now proven unnecessary practice to continue, put a price tag on it, get yourself other people and gift the first few egg hatcheries the necessary equipment/they can put culled free eggs on their package, thereby raising awareness and shaming all other eggs, people pay a premium for organic eggs, some would pay premium for cull less eggs. Shit, I just had a business idea...

>>20129734
>God explicitly stated they were put on Earth for man to eat and use to grow and prosper.
sounds like something men would make up to eat anything without remorse.

>>20127110
This faggot is spamming this pasta on every board.
Fuck chickens!
Fuck OP!
Fuck jannies!

>>20129734
Actually you aren't supposed to eat pig you uncultured cuck it's a sin because it's filthy.

>>20127952
What's with all the celebrity vegans then? They seem pretty healthy.

>>20128304
>The amount of pre packaged food and supplements that the average vegan consumes is outrageous. The fact that people still argue that it is better for the environment is mind blowing.
This makes no sense, meat comes pre-packaged too. On top of that, it takes like 10x the water and energy to make the same amount of calories worth of meat.

>>20127110
Checkens aren't sapient and are bred and raised to be food, so our only moral duty is to minimize their suffering. Sapient animals deserve to live their lives to a full extent and shouldn't be farmed or hunted unless they are a danger to humans.

>>20127110
we've always been omnivores. don't like it? eat only vegetables and become brain damaged, or raise your own chickens.

>>20131467
>noo, don't kill fetuses!!
srsly though, that should be made law or some shit. and I guess it wouldn't really be more expensive than killing them.

>>20128993
The "self awareness" meme moral framework has always baffled me. Why does a chicken need to philosophize about its own predicament in order for morality to apply to it? Makes no sense

>>20134114
Only for (((them))) you retard

>>20134129
They can afford to iv nutrients when they collapse unlike anon

>>20134190
Bible sand niggers book and kikes book all say no piggy

>>20134129
If we want to save water and energy doesn’t it make sense to cull useless chicken populations?

>>20128304
Shipping adds very little co2 compared to feeding - so yes, a fruit shipped in from South Africa is still more environment friendly than a chicken in your backyard. Look it up. It doesn’t matter much where the food is coming from, but mainly what it is.

>>20134224
It’s cause pigs require tons of water, (drink, keep clean,etc.) Those two religions originate from deserts. So to prevent the consumption of an animal requiring a resource that’s scarce from where they’re from they come up with bullshit like, “it’s dirty” or “god says no”.

>>20134533
This is dumb. A homegrown chicken is less of an environmental impact than eating imported exotic fruit. Btw, South Africa is subtropical so you can quite literally grow their produce in your backyard if you live in the Southern US or Southern Europe. It 100% matters where your food comes from - Arizona wine is way worse for the environment than wine from Bourgogne.

>>20127110
>business and finance
Why this place is filled with gay people?

>>20127860
oh sure, cutting off their balls is way better

>>20134984
I know this is sarcasm, but chickens cannot survive without us. We can cut off their balls, kill them, but vegan diets are very hard to maintain. You can eat more plants, sure, but reducing overall meat consumption is the path forward.

>>20127110
>>20127645
based
btw vegan thai is pretty good and cheap/cheaper than the real stuff here in SoCal

>>20127110
for anyone thinking about going vegan I dont know a single person with good health outcomes, was only vegan 2.5 and started having major issues, factory farming isnt ideal but dont fall for it and longterm vegans age rapidly dont do it
https://youtu.be/PJnPZgLHHWQ
2 years vegan aged 10 lmao
https://youtu.be/KhKjf2K5r0A
it's impossible to "do right"

>>20134803
SA was just an example, pick any other country far away. Also, of course chicken aren’t that bad as ground beef. And yes, if you compare wine, local and import, the local one of course is better. But if you compare fruits and vegetables with animal meat, transportation is a very small factor.

>>20135443
Also see
https://ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local

>>20127110
Seems more humane than letting them kill each other. Genetic technology could probably fix it so you get 100% hen chicks.

>>20127110
>>20127645
Who gives a fuck about animals

>>20134533
How much autism do i have to take to think like this

>Around 7,000,000,000 male chicks are culled every year because they do not lay eggs.

If you don't break rocks, you get shot in the head.

>>20132758
sadly it is really prevalent these days

people not having kids because the world is "bad"
I've had friends say we shouldn't colonize Mars because somehow we'd make it worse

it's not just idiocy. It's evil.

>>20127110
I had chickens. One had a baby. The other chickens just fucking killed it. So I guess they're ok with it.

If it's good for the hens it's good for the mens.

>>20135443
There is more to it than just the CO2 emissions from shipping - and btw, your chart is bullshit, international shipping constitutes an enormous amount of global CO2 emissions, stop buying foreign products if you are environmentally conscious. When you buy products from Brazil or SE Asia you are contributing to deforestation of these areas. It is much more environmentally conscious to eat locally grown beef in rural France or Colorado than it is to be a vegan who eats processed cookies made from basedbeans that was grown on a plantation in the former Amazon rainforest.

In most of the western United States cattle grazing is the only environmentally friendly agricultural activity because only grass grows here due to low rainfall. If you were to try to grow corn or basedbeans you would need to extract a huge amount of water from the aquifer to water these crops. Unironically we should be encouraging organic cattle ranching for these areas instead of subsidizing corn and basedbean production.

>>20136122
Valid points, but you are forgetting that those basedbeans in Brazil are not feeding humans, but instead cattles. So you have both negative effects combined. Of course some local, organic small scale cattle ranching is nothing to bitch about - but have a look around, that is not happening for most of the meat products.

>>20127740
>I care if it was humans
Retard

>>20134270
It makes a lot more sense to breed some other animal for meat instead. One that's not warm-blooded, for starters.

idgaf about dumb birds, fuck 'em

>>20134885
We criticize in others that which we see in ourselves

>>20135075
The first video is hilarious considering who it's coming from. A guy who is a clearly mentally ill unhinged conspiracy nut who eats rotten meat questioning other peoples' mental states? Give me a break

Second video is inconclusive, the woman clearly has gray hairs before veganism, she likely just stopped dying it (narrator even concedes this) and doesn't have makeup on.

My takeaway is that people who restrict their diets for political reasons are much more likely to be unhinged wackjobs. See also: Jordan Peterson

>>20136002
People not having kids is evil? Explain this silliness

>>20136207
Exactly, no one considers that the amount of meat consumed by Americans can't be provided by cattle left to graze. Not sure why people bring it up like it's the common method of raising cows, lol. Of course if people ate less meat it'd be doable but you have too many retarded fatties who don't even consider something to be food unless it has meat and/or cheese in it, so

>>20127110
Everyone I know who got cancer is a heavy meat eater. People are hating on vegans because they can’t see the massive power and propaganda the meat and dairy industry induce.

>>20136735
Well processed meats are a known carcinogen and red meat is a suspected one so it makes sense. Still though that's just anecdotal, my grandma got cancer and she rarely ate meat. You're right on the money about the second part though, my mom's fucking doctor when my mom was pregnant told her she needs to drink milk because you need milk to produce milk, I shit you not

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>>20127952
I fell for the vegan brainwash too and tried it out for 3 months, I felt so bad, nothing was tasty or satieting. I didn't understand cause a lot of sources say plants = healthy, meats = not healthy. Then I stumbled upon Sv3rige thorugh a vegan gains video. what he said about meat and veganism made sense. I ate a raw steak the next day to put his claims to the test. I felt instant relief, bliss, joy, happiness. my mental problems and overthinking were GONE.

thats hwen I knew the vegan diet is a scam.

even being vegan for ethica reasons is dumb

life is life you have to consume life in order to live, plants live, animals live, its not because we don't understand plants that plants aren't intelligent.

ive researched further and found out that, plants can make choices, plants can even play music.

check out this documentairy where scientists test plantso. the title is "what plants talk about"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrrSAc-vjG4


>>20128304
true, veganism is worse for the environment than locally raising and slaughtering an animal

>>20128395
agreed

>>20128504
its good that all the deceptions and scams are being put to an halt. veganism is one of the worst

>>20128686
>>20128749
if you aren't buying them from local farmers, your avocados and bullshit vegan products pollute the planet more than the muslim halal slaughtering a goat he raised in his backyard,


>>20128993
you are thinking how you should think. that is nature, the law of nature, eat and get eaten, consume or get consumed. the law of nature is the law of God. animals are food. if you see it as anything more you are cucked in the matrix.


>>20132774
don't mind him, hes brainwashed. he doesn't undertand nature.

>tfw eating 30 raw eggs every day

>>20136207
cattle shouldn't be eating beans but grass. this is a problem with any mass production operation in a capitalistic setting.

>>20136254
>all life is equal

go hug a tree, faggot

>>20136735
the irony here is that vegan products have a much bigger captialistic markup. Vegan foods are big money makers. cause they are per definition very processed.

Imagine being a white european in sweden or Norway doing the vegan diet. you have to ship in fruit and veggies almost the entire year. the natural and healthy way for the planet would be, the white norwegian catches some salmons in the rivers and eat those.

>>20136850
>true, veganism is worse for the environment than locally raising and slaughtering an animal

You realize how many resources it takes to get an animal to the right size to kill them?
This is why all meat is worse for the enviroment than plantbased, even if it's locally raised you brainlet

>>20136929
yes I do realise what it takes, cause I do it myself. I raise rabbits in my backyard, they eat grass from my lawn i spend 0 on it it takes a bunch of grass I need to mow.

now you?
you are a brainlet.

>>20136887
>humans are above everyone, just look at that badass Elon Musk, mommy.. I'm just like him, r-right?

>>20136929
imagine thinking that raising some chickens inyour backyard that eat your garden waste is somehow worse for the environment than shipping in avocados from africa

hahahaha

wait, i know why. you are on the vegan diet arent you?

>>20136951
What about pigs or cows? The animals that people actually eat. No one lives of rabbits except incels

>>20137010
you can raise any kind of animal in your backyard if its big enough. the problem is mass production farming. and its a problem for meat just as it is for plants. fool.

>>20134161
Unironically, kill yourself. I'm serious. According to your belief set, you do wayyyyyyyy more harm than good simply by existing. Even if you don't eat meat, how many bugs do you unknowingly step on when go outside, or splatter with your car on a drive? How much of a would be animal habitat do you take up by living in your home? Ya know what, why stop at animals? Every time you wash your hands you're killing innumerable bacteria. Your very immune system is a fucking speciesist. How DARE it attack and kill influenza. The fucking audacity of your body to treat single cell organisms as dispensable. AMOEBA LIVES MATTER. ALL LIFE IS EQUAL. By your own admission, you are committing unfathomable atrocities and genocide simply by being alvie. So do it pussy. Fucking kill yourself. I'd do it for you if i could. Hell, I think a bacteria life is worth MORE than yours, that's how fucking worthless you are. Goddamned shit for brains trash, that's what you are. I hate you from the depths of my soul. Die.

>>20127110
>then putting them in grinders after birth
you probably dont complain when you are chewing on some chickie nuggies seasoned and cooked to perfection. i say we blend MORE chicks so nuggies costs go down!

>>20136929
Animals convert plant matter that has zero food value for us into high quality meat, milk and eggs. Not only that, but you literally get more high quality protein if you farm corn and use it as feed for pigs, compared to farming basedbeans instead of corn and eating the basedbeans.
Humans have short weak guts in comparison to our huge brains, we instead rely on animals to chew the cud for us.