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Post shiny rocks.

Over the past sixty years this silver certificate has rotted away into near unusable condition while over a much greater timespan, the dollar it once represented has changed little from the day it was struck.

>>19966133
Post shiny cocks

>>19966142
That dollar bill still has a good 5 years left of circulation!

>>19966144

>>19966142
How stupid were people to allow themselves to start using paper money into of god's money.

>>19966133
Not very shiny anymore, but it's still a rock.

Is there any point to own silver certificates or united states notes from the Kennedy days?

>>19966192
I actually have one of those shiny cocks. Beautiful coin.

>>19966207
Nobody really thought about it they just didn't feel like carrying 20 fucking ounces of silver everytime they needed to pay the electric bill and they trusted their government too much.

>>19966225
If someone with the floor stacker name ever posts an image without hair all over the place I will know they are a fake

How much total gold and silver do you own?

>>19966215
Not really, its cool memorobillia at this point and most stackers might want one as a reminder of what their stacking for

>>19963821

Anon. Even though I'm hypercritical of the stacker idea and mentality, you have a lot to be proud of. It takes discipline to organize your finances such that you stack and save. That discipline is something to be proud of.

I'm not personally convinced that the economy will go tits up and the USD will mean nothing, nor am I convinced that the USD will ever go to a PM backed standard. But I do think it's important for people to do their research, make informed choices, and act on them instead of complaining about the world.

You've done the former, so be proud. You have made informed decisions, and you've acted. The emotional gratification of PMs coming in can be considered a bonus...but what you're really doing is what Buffet always talks about: when you get paid, first you make sure you PAY YOURSELF before doing anything else.

I throw my %s into savings, retirement, etc., and you throw a % of yours into PMs. In the end, you're still 'paying yourself' because PMs will never be valueless. So, be content, and sleep easy.

>I may be critical of the strategy, but I can't fault the conviction. Sorry; I'm in the middle of watching the Venezuela videos posted in the last thread...a little teary eyed and emotional.

>>19966295
That's idolatry anon.

>>19966215
They're cheap and can be a useful tool to teach people about what money used to be, but besides that there's not much reason to get them unless you're some sort of currency collector. You can occasionally get low grade ones as change from coin shops.

>>19966245
About 4oz of gold, 2500 Oz of silver, a car and a motorbike. After ten years of hard work that's all I have to my name in the whole world.

>>19966233
Yeah but if you don't wont to carry alot of silver you could just use gold, I mean 1 ounce of gold today is almost 20 hundred dollar notes.

I don't see how paper is any more portable than metal.

>>19966295
Yes.

>>19966343
Are you kidding Anons? It's a fraction of the weight, a fraction of the size, and you can get it in different denominations that are not tied to its physical dimensions.

C'mon....a 500$ bill weighs the same as a 1$, and takes up the same space approx.

I'm holding 120$ worth of silver in my hand right now...and it's heavier than my wallet that is holding 200+.

That's the benefit of notes and not silver and gold. You don't need a medieval 'purse' to carry wealth, nor can it be cut off your horse by thieves that easily. If I were to be bullish, then I'd say that's the benefit of fully digital funds: you can't get robbed unless someone breaks into your account.

>I want those Krakens...but they've gone up in price over the past few days...

>>19966343
That's why they did it in phases. You all really underestimate how lazy most people are, that's why shit like the digital dollar and microchips in your hand is going to fly with most people, they just want to consoom

>>19966343
When Gold reaches $3100 an ounce, it will be lighter than carrying around hundred dollar bills.

>>19965691
Not saying this, i myself am stacking 100% silver so you better believe i'm bullish on it. It's just the current paradigm only use gold for inter-nations trades, but i believe there will be soon a 'split' in trade agreements and that the US-south america-EU coalition will use silver going forward, while Russia-Opep-China will still use gold. Of course there will be a consensus about the new international gold:silver ratio, which surely will be well below the current 1:100, that's why i'm stacking silver. I made lenghty posts explaining my reasoning few months prior, i wish i screencapped them, but sadly i didn't.

The QRD is the US aren't actively purchasing gold since a while, but are using investment banks as forefront to purchase immense amounts of physical silver (especially JPM) while maintaining the prices artificially low. The US and the EU market regulation offices are also actively sweeping under the rug these banksters practices by refusing to prosecute said banks for their schemes. Which lead me to believe the banks are mandated by the US/EU central banks to secretely stack on their behalf.

Not only that, but i recently found something i've not disclosed here yet : banks trading on the comex started to buy huge numbers of shares of silver mines outside the US, especially in mexico/peru/argentina/chile.., but didn't do it under their names, they used shell investment companies to purchase said shares.
Why would banks actively shorting silver on the markets, get big positions in the silver mining industry? It's totally nonsensical, you don't purchase something with one hand and hope to destroy it's value on the other hand.
Someone could argue they do this to cover their short positions on the comex, but it still doesn't make sense, you can't cover a position with companies' shares, and why would they use shell companies to do so?

There is some kikery going on frens, and i'm determined to find what's up there..

Which PM will have the most gains in the future? Im thinking palladium

>>19966391
got a kraken on the way. gonna rub it on my balls

>>19966451
silver

>>19966447
Stay safe fren, you can't enjoy your stack if you get glowie'd!

>>19966410
We've all seen the silver round that says, "Eternal Vigilance is the price of Freedom". You cannot be free as a lazy consoomer.

>>19966487
Got a pic of afformented silve round?

>>19966478
Of course i meant silver in minecraft :^)

>>19966447
Okay. You've convinced me. The evidence is leading to this:

1) US dollar is going to hyperinflate. As a result, US will convert to a Silver-backed Dollar, along with a conglomerate of Mexico and other South American nations that produce it.

2) They'll do this precisely because they cannot compete with a Gold-Backed Russia and China, which have both foreseen the impending destruction of the US dollar.

So the question becomes then: how is the gold:silver ratio negotiated? Will the US win because of military superiority, or will Russia+China gold conglomerate win because...amount of PMs stored?

If Russia/China win, then silver might not moon...but if US wins, silver moons...right?

>still trying to figure it out...forgive me, I am drinking.\

>>19966468
I have a fantasy of filling up a fucking treasure chest of these things. A shame they don't do them in gold too.

I'm still watching the Venezuela stuff...man, it's so fucking sad. I'm here rubbing silver while these people starve for want of 1$ USD...

>>19966305
if you give me half his gold i won't say anything when you burn him at the stake

>>19966523
Found this one on Ebay, but I've seen other designs incorporating the quote too.

>>19966523

>>19966549
>2) They'll do this precisely because they cannot compete with a Gold-Backed Russia and China, which have both foreseen the impending destruction of the US dollar.
I thought the USA bought like 10000000000000 tons of gold this year or last year?

>>19966549
>>19966447
there’s probably a simpler reason why they are stacking silver than a PM backed currency

>>19966549
>I'm still watching the Venezuela stuff
Same, shit's crazy dude. I'm sitting here thinking wtf would happen if everything in my country suddenly cost even 2x, let alone 100+x.

>>19966549
>I'm still watching the Venezuela stuff...man, it's so fucking sad. I'm here rubbing silver while these people starve for want of 1$ USD...
yeah. it's gonna get worse. think of all the people in the world relying on the USD to sustain themselves and their families
it really can get so bad that hundreds of millions, if not billions will die of starvation and/or violence

>>19966602

>>19966437
actually anon in the US a 100 dollar bill(or any value) weighs roughly one gram. 1oz or 31 100 dollar bills weigh the same

>>19966567
It wouldn't be my place to murder him for it.

>>19966629
where do I buy the ring and the round?

>>19966061
You guys are aware that numismatic premiums have been dropping since 2008, even in the greatest bull market in equities. How does this impact your financial decision? Do you only buy bullion and junk silver?

I'm still new to metals and my first order is arriving tomorrow. With silver does it make much difference if i started stacking tubes of coins vs the bigger bars?

>>19966603
My understanding was that only China and Russia have been able to stockpile; the US keeps getting asked by other countries to produce the gold they used to store (like Germany); when they produce the gold, it happens to have different serial numbers...so I don't think they can stockpile yet. As always, I could be wrong. This is my current understanding.

>>19966608
Help me to understand. If they're not going to do a PM backed currency, why bother stack Silver? It makes no sense to me, since Gold is an international standard and unless you're going to compete, it's...well....not as profitable.

>>19966619
Maybe it's the booze, but I'm feeling really sorry for these guys. I want to send mucho USD to the guide just because he was cool. I'm normally a cold-hearted bastard...but I feel bad for him (and his photographs aren't bad).

Dunno man. I don't stack because I haven't yet been entirely convinced that it'll make a difference (at least compared with the gains I can make on the fiat stock market). It seems like no matter what I choose, there's always something I 'should' have done differently.

>Maybe I'll just get a few tubes of the Krakens and that'll make me happy....

>>19966708
I buy nothing but physical metal
Fuck paper
>>19966714
Only in premiums, so it depends on how close to spot you're getting.

>>19966708
i bought 12 tubes of phillys before recently making an order for a handful of 'fun' bullion coins. gonna start stacking more philly tubes again in july

>>19966225
Those 2oz coins are always cool..

>>19966708
Just depends. In the grand scheme numismatic value wouldn't matter if the dollar really did become overly inflated.

>>19966714
>With silver does it make much difference if i started stacking tubes of coins vs the bigger bars?
as anon said it affects premiums but it also affects how divisible your stack will be

hey guys, poorfag here. I've got a bunch of tin foil plays right now, but i'm not so sure diversification is the right idea with such limited resources, maybe 30k in total...
>10k is locked up in a limited 401k
>10k locked in cash
>4k in PMs about 66% silver in fiat.
I have maybe 8k to work with.
>5k in the markets (cash, PM miner etfs, miner etfs, and uranium etfs are my only bigger holds here)
>2k in BTC and PoW friends.
>1k in additional cash cushion
with about $350/mo in free cash (and 8 months of expenses in cash savings), what might you do in my shoes? I'm really considering getting rid of more BTC for physical, but I'm at a bit of a loss. I feel like i'm just running from the fear of future regulations right now.

>>19966714
1oz coins are great, now if you want thousands of ounces, well i hear those monster boxes start taking up room so 100 ozt bars might be worth it after a couple thousand ounces lol

>>19966708
Buy bullion and junk, get the most ounces for the lowest premium. If you want high premium numismatic silver coins, that should be another matter altogether. Gold's a different matter; gold spot has risen enough yearly to make up for most losses on Numismatic Premiums.

What year were the kennedy us notes? Just 1964? I see some other years in the 50's and earlier

>>19966790
2 monster boxes take up like 1 cubic foot of space or something. i think the space issue of silver is highly overblown

>>19966716
>My understanding was that only China and Russia have been able to stockpile; the US keeps getting asked by other countries to produce the gold they used to store (like Germany); when they produce the gold, it happens to have different serial numbers...so I don't think they can stockpile yet. As always, I could be wrong. This is my current understanding.

So the USA would store other countries gold and we spent it all? Then buy gold to give to countries who ask for this shit back? Kek what the fuck

I read a while ago this year that Venezuela sold off some of their gold they stored in England then wanted the rest flown back to their country and England said no pissing Venezuela off but idk if I am recalling what I read correctly.

>>19966716
>If they're not going to do a PM backed currency, why bother stack Silver?
Whatever geopolitical advantages are conferred by a PM currency pale in comparison to those derived from fiat monetary policy. I can imagine an unlikely scenario where the dollar becomes so unstable that PMs briefly fill the gap, until one country or bloc emerges with the advantage and transitions back into global reserve fiat. But if I had to guess, the reason they’re picking silver is because the money they’d otherwise spend on bonds is better used on something else, even if the yield ends up minuscule, it’s better than the garbage bond market

>>19966716
Just do it in bits. 40 here, 200 there... it adds up after a while. Start divesting yourself from the stock market and into metals. 10-33% of your wealth should be in metal right now or else you're taking an enormous risk.

>>19966549
>1) 2)
That's my take on the whole situation. Just add a 1-a : once hyperinflated, the US will pay it's creditors with worthless dollars, and that's why they will have to make a metal-backed currency afterward : to restore investors/ confidence, especially the foreign ones.

>So the question becomes then: how is the gold:silver ratio negotiated?
Idk yet, but China and the US are the biggest trade partners there are, all this supposed trade war is a clownshow for the normies. Reality is China always valued silver, and will be happy to get something real (at last) instead of the current toilet paper we are giving them. It's win-win. The real big question is : what the G:S ratio will be? If the US are using silver, they'll do all they can to lower the ratio as much as possible, and the opposite is true for China/Russia. A fair agreement would be to simply use the mining ratio (1:8), but it's never that simple. When France was the superpower around the block, they did a 1:15 ratio, and it was the rule of thumb worldwide for the longest time. Maybe the countries involved will rule back old treaties to determine the ratio, who knows..

>If Russia/China win, then silver might not moon...but if US wins, silver moons...right?
It's not about winners and losers, if China refuse the US silver then they lose their biggest trade partner.
Fun fact btw, China used to value silver as money historically, not gold. And when the silk road was fully open, they couldn't give two fuck about gold : we had to pay them in silver for silk, spices, tea, porcelain,etc...
To such extend that Europe ended up totally depleted of it's silver, and we couldn't trade anymore. We had to overpay the Ottomans for their silver with gold to then trade it with the chinks.That's when the dutch india company and the english east india company started a blockade of China's seas, using their fleet to force China to adopt the gold standard, which they have since then. It was the first Opium war.

>>19966677
There's a bunch of different folks who make coin rings. I recommend searching the web to find a craftsman whose work you like. Etsy is a good place to start.
The first one I posted was made by KentuckyCoinRings

The second one I posted was made by Coinringbykai

As far as the round, you can purchase it all over the place, shop around for the best price/shipping etc--
jmbullion
providentmetals
silver.com
etc
It seems to be a popular round, it goes out of stock a lot. Keep shopping around, and when it comes in stock swoop one/some up!

Good luck, fren.
Post pics when/if you get a ring and/or a round!

>>19966842
That's what I've read. Apparently when Germany asked to see the Federal Reserve in 2015 or so, Merkel was refused...lol Then they asked for their gold back, but when they got it a few years later, the serial numbers were different to what the Germans thought they had put in originally...lol

The Venezuela Gold situation was reported on by a number of sources; they even had a parade as they brought in their gold to the capital. I have no idea if there was real gold in the vehicles in the parade (I'd guess not for fear or robbery), but they did apparently get their gold back.

>>19966843
That makes sense. Still though; why wouldn't they pick gold instead of silver? Given the amounts of currency we're talking about (billions, if not trillions), then wouldn't gold be a better bet? Or do they choose silver because it's easy and available and they have more mines continentally than others?

>>19966853
Yeah, I guess. The same way I've been building my retirement fund. I guess I haven't taken the leap to do so to the 33% range because I haven't had enough evidence that it'll be necessary (and therefore offset the gains I'm making in the stock market). I eventually want to go full passive income (i.e. real estate ownership etc.) so PMs have always been far down the list because they don't appreciate the way land does.

>>19966883
Makes sense. Had no idea China valued silver (they don't seem to use it for ceremonial purposes or anything like that, so it came as a surprise). Thanks for helping me to understand Anon.

>>19966883

alright guys lets talk about gold for a second,
if russia and china combine their official gold reserves, roughly 150 million ounces. or somewhere between $30-40 trillion. thats roughly about 60% of the USA's official gold reserve.

so what do these things tell us. in theory china or russia by themselves have the gold to back enough physical dollars to replace the USD. but the US has way more official gold then anyone else. and rumors of JP morgan stacking silver for the govt.

honestly these are signs of war when major powers start stacking enough gold to get them through a conflict. But it also shows us there is plenty of gold in the world to make gold backed dollars

>>19966708
I buy bullion and pirate treasure.

>>19966978
When it comes to a metals backed currency it seems like liquidity is more important than whether it is gold or silver. Seems like with silver it solves both problems for us.

>>19966970
>That's what I've read. Apparently when Germany asked to see the Federal Reserve in 2015 or so, Merkel was refused...lol Then they asked for their gold back, but when they got it a few years later, the serial numbers were different to what the Germans thought they had put in originally...lol
>The Venezuela Gold situation was reported on by a number of sources; they even had a parade as they brought in their gold to the capital. I have no idea if there was real gold in the vehicles in the parade (I'd guess not for fear or robbery), but they did apparently get their gold back.
>gold parade
>german gold bait and switch

Oh damn dude that shit is hilarious kek

>>19966970
>Or do they choose silver because it's easy and available and they have more mines continentally than others?
that is my assumption, yes. it’s much easier to get and therefore makes a convenient fiat dump

>>19966978
China has at least 5-10 times their official reserves, they've been secretly stacking for years.

>>19966978
>thats roughly about 60% of the USA's official gold reserve.
USA has no gold

>>19967031
i would argue the people of china have been hording gold at alarming rates. but china is also a shady enough govt to go around and seize your gold if your social credit score falls to much...

>>19967056
>seize your gold if your social credit score falls to much...
ching chong boating accident uwu eat rice

do you think people are gonna trust the government with a gold standard again instead of simply using gold as money?

>>19967080
Cash of any kind is going away.

>muh corona
>muh convenience

Some retards don't even have a wallet, they use their smartphone to pay for stuff.

do you think the mooning of silver will destroy the techno-industrial machine?

>>19967080
brother do you really think the average person is going to weigh out their pieces of eight when they go to buy gas, or that lead coin scams and other fakes won’t go through the roof. People want convenience

>>19967114
I think it'll play a role, yeah. It won't be the immediate cause, but it will certainly be a factor because of how wildly unbalanced the value of it is right now in comparison to everything else.

>>19967080
i've heard it explained before, that in the past people used dollars not to store wealth, but to make exchanging goods easier.
anyone who stores wealth in a currency the govt can manipulate is foolish. i think thats why most people will say 30-90 days worth of cash and the rest in investments

>>19967114
no, the technocracy will be destroyed for totally unrelated reasons. however, silver is still a great investment for wealth retention after the collapse.

>>19967115
>brother do you really think the average person is going to weigh out their pieces of eight when they go to buy gas
do you not know what coinage is? literally, people used to pay for all that shit with coins. what do you think a dime or a quarter was?

>>19966978
>but the US has way more official gold then anyone else
Official is the keyword here, reality is we've no idea since the US treasury refuse audits of their gold reserves since decades. And as far as i'm concerned, real reserves could be super low, super high (unlikely) or totally fake.
Remember the 5700 400oz bars sold to China in 2009 who happened to be tungsten bars coated with gold? When investigated, the tracking numbers found the bars to be originated from fort knox..
Thid kind of (((accident))) could start a war. And i wouldn't be surprised if we discover that a good chunk of the gold traded internationally (the 400oz standards between countries) is just fancy looking tungsten. And they get passed on like hot potatoes, with the intelligence agencies of most countries all knowing very well what's up but playing the fool's game to be sure to not be the last ones handling the chocolate bars when the info is out in the open.

>>19967219
it’s super easy to stamp silver and gold, what’s to stop counterfeiting? microchips in every coin? How would they stop someone from shaving the coins down? Weight and specific density are the only way to ensure the value of a purely PM coin

I really want to buy this but gold is very expensive right now. Should I just do it?

>>19967226
Uh oh. Tungsten surged in price in '04/05, after years of declining chinese exports and an economic slowdown, only to blamed on unspecified "increase in global demand."

>>19967247
you buy gold and silver, right? (well actually you probably don't since you're arguing against it). The rest of us who buy gold and silver know that there are fakes on the market, the way not to end up with fake gold and silver is to not buy from sketchy people, don't go picking up an ounce of gold from the guy on the street corner and you probably won't get fakes. You realize every society already dealt with these problems before right? this isn't a new, first time idea here.

>>19967286
>unspecified "increase in global demand."
keked

>>19967292
well that’s handy for you, it’s not so easy for people who actually have to conduct business and verify the value of every coin or ingot they receive for their goods, they don’t have the luxury of avoiding “sketchy” people (anyone could be a con)

the point isn’t that these problems aren’t solvable at all (they are), but that they make commerce unnecessarily cumbersome. Sure, every gas station can have a device to weigh and analyze coins before they are used, and the shopkeeper can have an automated system to dispense weighed-out change that the customer can verify is authentic, but at this point why not just use a digital ledger backed trustlessly by the PM asset instead

>>19966451
Palladium is the most industry-dependent metal out of the four "precious" rocks

>>19967339
I'd rather have to second guess coins then deal in fiat and have the government decide at any moment if my lifesavings is worthless or not.

>>19967247
Edge lettering or reeding prevent people from shaving down silver and gold coins, it's worked for centuries. Silver is diamagnetic, which makes it pretty easy to verify by sliding a magnet down the coin (or sliding the coin down a magnet). Gold is easier to fake, but the machines used to verify gold are cheap enough for any vendor who's wealthy enough to be transacting in it regularly to be able to purchase one.

>>19967339
This.

>>19953607
Dem raycis-ass honkys b' takin da' gol' outuh my homies teeth dawg, he ain't do nuthin, but dey shot him man, just fo' his gold man, muthafuckin ypipo ain't nevuh b fai' to a nigga mayn.

>>19966776
I can't say I know too much about BTC & I still browse /biz/ daily. I could drop $250 on it, but I need a better understanding of it.

However, come October many good houses even possibly in the countryside are going to open up at remarkably low costs. If you are thinking of getting out of doge, which you should be in the next 3 years tops, a house in the country is a good idea,

If you arent preping for a full melt down of society on a world stage than perhaps this is a good place to start. I get the wrenching feeling that much of /biz/ lurks /k/.

Take all of this with a grain of salt.
You're on /biz/ after all.

Why did China make their Pandas 30 grams? Why did they feel the need to be special and deviate from the troy ounce?

>>19967263
Thats quite nice. How much gold is it? If its your first gold just get something standard but if you are fine and can play with nice pieces of gold then go for it. I dig the design.

>>19967466
Because china.

>>19966970
>the serial numbers were different to what the Germans thought they had put in originally...lol
It was Gaddafi's gold, it was way cheaper to destroy a country and steal lybian gold to repay germany. Two birds with one stone btw, since this gold was supposed to back the gold dinar Gaddafi was putting in place to get rid of forced US denominated barrels among OPEP countries he was trading with.

>>19967466
>China
>Why did they feel the need to be special
Gotta be like America & try to come up with their own system of measurements because CHIA STRONG.

I wonder though if this kind of weight is some how in some strange logistics planning influencing their data mining chips they're slipping into American mainframes.

>>19967466
china numbah one

>>19967226
>Remember the 5700 400oz bars sold to China in 2009 who happened to be tungsten bars coated with gold? When investigated, the tracking numbers found the bars to be originated from fort knox..
Holy shit anon. What did China say at the time of this? I assume the USA didnt do it on purpose but rather, according to the rest of your post, just passing the hot potato gold bars around with the tungsten

>>19967493
>Gotta be like America & try to come up with their own system of measurements
Wouldnt be comparable if the usa used metric system until they decided to go with the imperial measurement system all the sudden couple years ago?

>>19967466
Purely to infuriate Westerners.

>>19967226
>Official is the keyword here, reality is we've no idea since the US treasury refuse audits of their gold reserves since decades. And as far as i'm concerned, real reserves could be super low, super high (unlikely) or totally fake.
Yes its possible, but the U.S treasury still purchases physical gold to this day from even tourists who go mining for fun.

Maybe someone within the system stole the gold, but I think we have plenty in all honesty.

>>19967513
I couldnt really tell you other than China has a complex with the "100 years of shame" & by flexing on silver it harkens back to actual old china.

I think its just another small foot note in the Chinese mind set thinking they're being trend setters to assert themselves even in to the point of trying to carve out a place on the precious metal market.

Again though, you should be on the active look out for strange logistics & computer commodities that match that same unit of measurement/weight of the sliver coming out of China & Taiwan. I know China had planted their own data mining system in certain machines which gave hard network compromise to several sectors.

I don't think China trying to flex is the main reason for this silver change in measurement.

>>19967448
I'm in a very cucked state and moving soon. The news about NJ NY and CT is horrifying desu. Corona is a 9/11 tier event and our world will be very different very soon. some of that 1k cushion which will be growing is likely to be spent on handguns. I appreciate the feedback.

>>19967602
>Again though, you should be on the active look out for strange logistics & computer commodities that match that same unit of measurement/weight of the sliver coming out of China & Taiwan. I know China had planted their own data mining system in certain machines which gave hard network compromise to several sectors.
Wait what? What happened here? I dont understand. Is their silver bugged or altered? How did they compromise sectors with silver?

>>19966280
>I'm not personally convinced that the economy will go tits up
Lmao
Then you're clearly not paying attention

>>19966487
>>19966523
>>19966593
Like my Liberty Lobby rounds? I was almost totally in Constitutional (junk silver) before the kung flu plandemic, and wanted to use my Trumpbux to get into bullion, and found a cheap supply at my local coin store. When i saw that round in the middle, I was curious about it. The fact it was 1980 and vintage silver was also appealing. Then I got home and looked up the round, finding the group that had it made. Based and red-pilled as fuck. I made sure I picked up as many as I could afterwards, and thought I bought out his entire supply of them.

Managed to pick another one up at the LCS just recently along with the other two. The one on the right has the lizard on the other side, but for the generic round price of $20, I'll accept the lizard's image for a government coin.

>>19967746
>middle coin

Didnt that guy get sued and go to prison for making that coin? I want one.

>>19967683
Im wondering if they're going to some how fake silver & plant them within batches to shady overseas "business partner" or a subsidiary they own or some how pair a shipment of large containers of bulk silver with some mainframe computers or something along those lines like phones that Taiwan has contracts tied to the U.S.

The pairing could somehow be manipulated in the batches of silver in the claims processing from port to port. The new measurements could be falsely mixed in with regular tory ounce units giving the illusion that all ounces shipped over are the same unit along side mainframes of some kind, which entail the entire shipments split containers to have inaccurate total weight associated with them to hide the microlevel implants or heavier components meant to corrupt or crash networks.

This technique seems risky & maybe could be used ounce or twice before anyone catches on. This also could be used to smuggle weapons or other potential smuggled goods useful to the Chinese communist party against the U.S & its allies.

If this new measurement practice falls out of use FAST than something very well may be up.

Interior chip components that mine data are like microlevel copies attached to chips to where it takes an engineer to recognize the difference, so the smuggling weight technique may be used for something else.

>>19967841

>>19967812
No, you're thinking the NORFED guy and his Liberty Dollars in the late 1990s and 2000s. He's totally red-pilled about PMs as money too and wasn't afraid to be a dispensary for them.

Liberty Lobby had these rounds made in 1980. Totally different group. They're based an red-pilled on social issues mostly.

>>19967914
I'd love to have some of that currency. I wonder if I can find it.

I don’t know if your still here anon, but this is a reply to your safe question.

Safes slow the bugler down and should be your last line of defence to deter stealing. In the Europe at least we have safes that can be insured up to €5000. Example is pic related: De Raat PT series. It also mildly fire retardant, if properly bolted to the concrete floor it is very hard to remove.

https://youtu.be/0IjOo-1cf7Q

Your first lines of defence should be an alarm system and good locks, imagine finding and trying cracking a safe when alarm sirens are going off. Only an insider would know where your safe is, so keep your mouth shut about PM’s outside of /biz/.

Another anon mentioned decoy safes, good idea. Remember to put I a few missable valuables inside (1 kg copper bars, ugly tarnished silver rounds with no numismatic value, some cash etc.), so if a burglar finds your decoy safe, he will get a dopamine hit (wohoe reward), and leave your home thinking he had a big score.

You guys are making things too complicated. All a nation has to do to back their currency with metals is GUARANTEE anybody who goes into a bank with 10 dollarydoos will be able to exchange that currency for one ounce of silver or 100 dollarydoos for an ounce of gold at any bank in the nation. Most people will be happy with the paper or digital currency, if you don't trust the government then you can exchange your new world order dollars and keep the metal in your home. It's that simple. Pegging the currency to a ratio of metal to dollars, it prevents the government from printing too much, creates stability and every single person can act as a check and balance against the government by converting currency at any time.

You don't need to carry around metal, that's dangerous and archaic. We just need a government guarantee of convertibility! Of course, every government is addicted to deficit spending so this will never happen.

>>19968033
>decoy safe

I have a decoy stack. I match 1:1 my real stack with a fake one full of fake silver from wish and alibaba.

How is silver not the best investment in the world right now?

>industrial demand increasing every year
>not at ATH like gold is, actually very undervalued when you look at the gold:silver ratio
>becoming more rare, depleted every year
>JP morgan hoarding tons and tons of it
>commonly known as the poor man's gold, ie more practical for the common folk and can be used for daily transactions (whereas gold can not)

why would you NOT buy silver of all things at this time?

>>19967735
It's an issue of evidence plus exit strategies. There are many financial experts who are not convinced that a PM backed US dollar will ever exist. That combined with the fact that a PM backed dollar would sabotage the capabilities of control that a fiat currency affords the people really in power means that no one, NO ONE in power right now wants there to be a PM backed currency: it prevents them from making more money or having more control.

In terms of inflation or hyperinflation, there are other Anons who have pointed out the ways that the govt can kick the can down the road (and how fiat currencies facilitate this); there is no reason to suggest that the political pressure plus the ability to forgo change won't mean a situation of continuous status quo.

I understand your sentiment, but it's very close to being conspiracy-theory tier. I always listen to evidence and try to weigh it, so rather than say something empty, offer evidence.

>Why would the US go to a PM backed currency? It would be a distinct disadvantage for them in the long run as the same problems of inflation still occur with PM currencies as they do with fiat, only there is far less control.

>Why would the US let their entire population (aside from the billionaires) sink into poverty, (and since there is significant gun ownership) violence, and zombie-apocalypse style living?

>Why would foreign countries that rely on stability of the USD be happy with the US currency going tits up? They obviously have a stake to keep it stable. Hell, even China does because of their economic strategies.

>Why would the oil producing middle-eastern countries want the USD to collapse? They still do business using the petrodollar, and this would create worldwide chaos in terms of shipments, prices, etc.

I could go on and on. I get the causes, but the solutions don't work.

>>19966790
Shouldn't you just buy gold at that point?
Fit like 100 oz of silver worth into 1 oz of gold

>>19968089
>JP morgan hoarding tons and tons of it
I heard it was on behalf of the US Government. Either way couldnt they use this to keep suppressing prices for 10000 years?

>>19967841
1) your post reads like bot generated nonsense. I don't know if you're drunk posting or what, but unfuck your English. What the fuck are you even talking about in this post. In what universe is someone mixing lead into their silver exports going to EMP a rival nation's internet?

2) The only thing less impressive than Chinese civil engineering is Chinese material science. The slants can't even get the metallurgy on jet engine exhausts right, but I'm supposed to believe that they mastered the ability to make some sort of hacker-silver that just ruins computers by force of will?

>>19968086
They are not obvious fakes right? Otherwise good idea. If you have empty tubes lying around you can store the fakes into to these to make the deception complete.

>>19968144
Anon, you don't need to be the big dick fiat daddy in a world where no nation on earth can compete with your agricultural output + your youthful demography. China's 1 child policy means that they are heading towards a dearth of young people (with too many men to boot). Russia aborted almost 90% of their kids in the 90s, so they're actually running out of military aged men right now. Besides, we already have the worlds biggest navy, the worlds 1st and 2nd largest air forces, and more experience in logistics than the rest of the world combined. At current build out rates, China should catch up to the US by the mid 2200s.

You don't need to be the world police when everyone else is scrambling for bread crumbs in the era of less. We're going to manifest our destiny all over them

How long will they keep manipulating the paper metals markets?

>>19967841
I find it funny amerimutts are always prompt to accuse China of everything the US are usually doing.
Never a country in the history of mankind scammed more ppl around the world than the USA.
Never a country lied, manipulated, killed, falseflagged, spyed and cheated more than the USA.
Never a country have been as dishonest as the USA.
Never a country ignored and distorded more the international treaties more than the USA.

Of course i don't accuse the americans for these things, they have nothing to do with the kikery taking place in higher echelons. Actually all these scams are organized and piloted by a very specific (((tribe))). But i blame the americans for always trying to portrait the others are evil when they are the ones pulling out 95% of the shit, the lack of self-awareness is mind-boggling. I guess it's a mix of propaganda and ignorance, but that's not an excuse.
Compared to the US, China is almost a virtuous country. At least they kept their Great Leap Forward within their borders, instead of forcing it down the throat of the whole world.

>>19968592
>At least they kept their Great Leap Forward within their borders, instead of forcing it down the throat of the whole world
That's where you're wrong, because the endgame goal of the CCP is no less than to replace every human race on earth with han chinese.

>>19968675
>han chinese.
The joke being han chinese were raped out of existence by mongols and civil war. Most chinese today are the genetic bastard rape babies of the past.

>>19968675
>Americans always project their hatred into others
>b-b-but Chinese want to conquer the whole world

Nigga, you dumb.

>>19968675
You know the whole fucking world have been totally americanized, r-right?
I live in a small city 5000 miles away from the US, yet when i want to go out to feed myself i've the choice between a macdonald, a burger king, a KFC and a pizza's hut.
Please name one chinese fast food company, you can't.

Plus you are totally wrong, China have been probably the most cucked country through history, chineses were in charge of their own country for many 2 centuries out of 3 millenias. And they never had an expensionist agenda, the very few times they tried always have been located close to their borders and they always have been dabbed on by locals, because chinks are shit at waging war.

>>19968729
Kek, so much this.
The lack of self awareness strike against.
>conquer the whole world either by force, economic shackles or subvertion, to the point every country is basically a dominion of US imperialism
>"China want to conquer the whole world, not us!"

>>19968592
>prompt

prompt? They've been blindly supporting one of the most evil, authoritarian states on earth for years. Just look at every retard who buys things made in China even after learning about the stuff China does. The entire country should have been placed under armed blockade years ago.

>>19968729
>>19968740
Biggest brainlet posts I have seen on China in a while. Read a fucking book kek or better yet read the CCP Two Sessions meeting transcripts.

Are you wumao? Gweilo English teachers working white monkey jobs to farm that sweet CCP social credit? Some Baizu who unironically do it for free?

>>19968740
>And they never had an expensionist agenda
Top fucking kek, you of all people need to read a fucking book on China, literally any book. Any history book just pick one at random. Throw a dart in a library and read that book.

>South China Sea
>Taiwan
>Inner Mongolia
>Tibet
>Afghanistan
>Burma
>Senkaku Islands
>Ryukyu Islands
>Indonesia
>Various parts of India
>South Tibet part of India
>Spratly Islands
>Kyrgyzstan
>The rest of Mongolia
>Laos
>Mountain ranges of North Korea and all of NK
>Serbia
>150k KM of Russia kek
>Vietnam
>Hawaii

They keep finding "ancient Chinese maps" to prove it. They claim ownership of every Panda and Chinese person even multi generational Chinese born and raised in the USA as a Chinese citizen owned by the CCP

Suck a dick, my list isnt even complete.

RUSSIA CONFIRMED TO HIRE MILITANTS TO KILL US SOLDIERS PMS ARE GONNA MOON AND IM GUNNA COOOOOOOOM

>>19968778
Your subhuman native language is showing, retard. China is just as bad if not worse than the US in literally every way. You have no idea what those insects will do in order to take over everyone next to them.

>NOOOOOO YOU CAN SAY THAT! WE ARE THE GOOD GUYS! CHINA BAD, AMERICA GOOD! I SAW MANY MOVIES IT MUST BE TRUE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH
kek at your cope

Also imagine naming few random asian shitholes over the course of 3000 years when your 250 years old country basically waged war outside of it's border every single year since it's constitution have been written.
I could make a list of all the countries invaded by the US, but it wouldn't fit in a single post, even two, and it would be shorter to simply name the ones who weren't invaded by you :
- Israel

At school in my country the only mandatory second language is english, not chinese. Actually most schools don't even have a mandarin option.
When i want to see a movie in a cinema, it's only american trash availible, not chinese films.
When i want to buy clothes, it's only american brands availible, even tho they are made in China.
The only foreign country allowed to have military bases in my country is the US, certainly not the chinks.

You are so oblivious to reality it's fucking painful to watch. It's the fucking US (((bankers))) who financed the CCP in the first place, you abysmal cretin.

>>19968841
>It's the fucking US (((bankers))) who financed the CCP in the first place, you abysmal cretin.
You are correct. Bro, I hate US longnose corporate bullshit as much as you do, but you (smack dead in the middle of europe) are *heavily* insulated from chinks and their bullshit. If you think jews are bad, the CCP are turbonoses on steroids. I promise you that this is true. Everything you hate about the US, China is guilty of a hundred times over.

>>19968991
>>19968954
Whups

>>19968954
Enjoy the sociopathic totalitarians who will sell your kidneys for profit if you publicly disagree with the state.

>>19968954
>hurr durr muh usa invaded some countries

Let me complete the list

>South China Sea
>Taiwan
>Inner Mongolia
>Tibet
>Afghanistan
>Burma
>Senkaku Islands
>Ryukyu Islands
>Indonesia
>Various parts of India
>South Tibet part of India
>Spratly Islands
>Kyrgyzstan
>The rest of Mongolia
>Laos
>Mountain ranges of North Korea and all of NK
>Serbia
>150k KM of Russia kek
>Vietnam
>Hawaii

more

>Bhutan
>Tajikistan
>Cambodia
>Brunei
>Laos
>Malaysia
>Nepal
>South Korea
>Philippines
>Singapore
>Khzakhstan

Parts of India

>Kashmir
>Demchok
>Trans Karakoran Tract
>Jammu
>Arunachal Pradesh
>Shaksgam
>Jadh
>Kaurik
>Shipki Pass
>Chumar

Some others that escape me

I also forgot Australia, and the entirety of the Americas. All discovered before Europeans and Columbus thanks to magically produced ancient Chinese maps they do not share but insist exist. I havent even gone into how the CCP builds artificial fake islands to extend their Sea boarders and their constant territorial incursions into soverign airspace such as Taiwan or their proxy maneuvers through satellite nations like North Korea. Or how they harvest organs, eat babies as food and medicine, eat literally anything, have a national "Breed Ready" list of women

>muh US bases

How about Chinese ones all over Africa? Or their naval ports thanks to their Belt and Road project and their predatory debt traps? Lets look

>Mauritania
>Mali
>Niger
>Senegal
>Gambia
>Guinea Bissau
>Sierra Leone
>Liberia
>Ivory Coast
>Ghana
>Togo
>Benin
>Burkina Faso
>Nambia
>Botswana
>Zimbabwe
>Zambia
>Mozambique
>Tanzania
>Cameroon
>North Sudan
>Republic of Congo
>Kenya
>Ethiopia
>Angola
>Eritrea

Should I talk about how they were involved in terrorism in Rhodesia? How they funded and trained terrorists? Or their partnerships in South America? Confucius Institutes? Uyghur camps? How they are editing Bibles?

Mind you this is all just in modern Chinas very short existence since the 1950's. Far more than the USA in much less time.

>>19968998
That's rich coming from a country who's extrading and killing citizens from others countries when they dare to speak about the post-orwellian bullshit we live in. As far as i know, the global control grid is american, not chinese. The PRISM, Bullrun and XKeyscore programs are not chinese.
It's not the chinese who stuff every hardware pieces and softwares with NSA backdoors.
It's not the chineses forcing every countries to trade the most vital commodity in USD.
It's not the chineses blowing up their own buildings to then invade a country simply because the dude supposedly behind the attack went into holidays there, to then overthrow the power in place, install their military for two decades and multiply by 30 the production of heroin while publicly waging a "war on drugs".
It's not the chineses who arm communist revolutionaries in south america in exchange for cocaine to then drug their own population.
It's not the chineses who mutilate their babies' sexual organ to make anti-age face cream out of it.
It's not China who pushed always more degeneracy, gay rights, pedophily, transgenderism and up to 9 month abortion.
I could go on for days.
You are literally Satan's home.

>>19969084
Nice projection, + you always blame China but why don't you aknowledge your own gouvernment's crimes? Just say "yes, the US commited countless crimes", please.

Do what's the consensus? How much silver to survive and how much to make it?

>>19969084
All your examples are nano-pico shit compared to US expansionism lmao.

>>19969084
>>19969149
>>19969167

I can also go into their Cultural Revolution, Great leap Forward, One Child Policy, their various coverups from the great floods of the 70s, the Sichuan earthquake, Three Gorges Dam corruption, baby powder scandal, various counterfeit operations like fake water, alcohol, eggs, rice, noodles, etc. Their flesh pills made from aborted babies, how you can buy fetuses for $20 in tier 1 cities as food from doctors, their illegal animal trades, prison camps, surveillance system that puts the usa to shame. Anon I can really go on for hours.

Im still waiting for you to prove to me how much better China is. You certainly are being paid way too much by your handlers. Please tell me more about how bad the USA and their expansionism is.

What happened to the price of PM’s during the Great Depression?

>>19969167
>>19969149
How about dog meat markets? Culture of face that plagues them? Hongbao corruption in hospitals, police, schooling, sports, etc?

>>19969149
Dial it down, fren. Please understand that the people of the USA are not the same entity as the government of the USA, and many take great pains to prove it in many different ways. In contrast, the government of China considers every single one of it's people to be a sub-entity of the government. That's where the crucial difference lies, and that can be hard for overseas frens to understand.

>>19966833
Obviously there is space in my room for more silver however space in my bolted down safe is at a premium and I don't feel like spending another 400 dollars on a safe so from now on I'm only getting 100 oz silver bars.

>>19969149
>That's rich coming from a country who's extrading and killing citizens from others countries when they dare to speak about the post-orwellian bullshit we live in. As far as i know, the global control grid is american, not chinese. The PRISM, Bullrun and XKeyscore programs are not chinese.
Killing which people for speaking out? At least China has a long list of people they have killed for literally speaking out. Most recently all the Corona virus missing whistle blowers.
>It's not the chinese who stuff every hardware pieces and softwares with NSA backdoors.
Meanwhile China literally blacklisted over their phones and 5G systems KEK not to mention their draconian system on their 1.5 billion peoples TV, Cars, Taxis, Phones, PC's etc. Cant even play Steam games or chat kek
>It's not the chineses forcing every countries to trade the most vital commodity in USD.
World chose the USD dor being the most stable. Get fucked the Yuan will never be a thing.
>It's not the chineses blowing up their own buildings to then invade a country simply because the dude supposedly behind the attack went into holidays there, to then overthrow the power in place, install their military for two decades and multiply by 30 the production of heroin while publicly waging a "war on drugs".
Fentanyl anyone? Opium crisis? Ph CNN didnt mention it never mind. Everything is fine in China. Ignore the organ harvesting and prison camps. The child kidnapping epidemic too.
>It's not the chineses who arm communist revolutionaries in south america in exchange for cocaine to then drug their own population.
Literally Korea and Africa you brainlet. China is the direct result of a communist takeover.
>It's not the chineses who mutilate their babies' sexual organ to make anti-age face cream out of it.
Because China instead eats babies as food and turn them into flesh pills as medicine
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/31/chinese-cannibalism-infant-flesh-outrages-world/

>>19969149
>It's not China who pushed always more degeneracy, gay rights, pedophily, transgenderism and up to 9 month abortion.
Ill take homosexual deviants instead of living in that literal Final Destination tier totalitarian shit hole nation.

>>19969177
It mooned hard since there was a gold standard

>>19969151
Nobody knows, because nobody has a crystal ball that can see what will happen to the US economy or the US dollar in the end, or what foreign actors like China and the EU will do if something unexpected happens.

The (real) purpose of buying PMs isn't or at least shouldn't be sketching possibly unrealistic fantasies of future wealth and power, but rather insulating yourself from uncertainly itself, something PMs do since they are and have been since time immemorial greatly valued.

>>19967340
Platinum and palladium are a trap. The REAL four precious metals are gold, silver, brass, and lead.

>>19969283
Redpill me on lead and brass, yukon-senpai.

>>19969283
>Platinum and palladium are a trap
I still want those CCCP Palladium ballerina coins

>>19969176
>Im still waiting for you to prove to me how much better China is
I went to both China and the US and i felt way more secure and at home in China. Chinks are courteous, polite, racially homogeneous, food is good, everything is so peaceful.. and it value traditions and (state approved) history. People are welcoming and in good shape, streets are cleans.

In California everything was smelling awful, it was chokeful of violent drugged niggers and metzitos, looked like a lawless shithole where everybody is never relaxing 'just in case'. No culture, no values, only violence and exuberance.
Not saying everything was perfect in China, you have cops every 2 meters, a lot of things are censored, air pollution is awful the windless days, state propaganda is everywhere, people are afraid to be critical toward the CCP and denunciation is encouraged. This is clearly a police state.
But man the US... what a fucking degenerate, sociopathic, obese unethical shithole. There is no cohesion, no empathy, no peace, only degeneracy and dumbness as far as the eye can see.

>>19969297
>Redpill me on lead and brass
Buy a gun. Learn to use it. Learn to clean it. Stockpile 1000 rounds for each gun you have. n+1 magazines. Keep your gold and silver under your lead and brass.

Laugh as you vaporize raiders.

>how big is your stack?
>how long have you been stacking?
>what's your dollar cost average?

>>19969283
I love brass (and copper) too, and would stack up on self-defence tools if I wasn’t in a nogunz jurisdiction.

But the only precious metals with the characteristics of money are gold and silver, no mistake. And silver doesn't stay shiny shiny almost forever the way gold does, which is why it’s historically usually been 10-15x less valuable than gold.

I actually REALLY like silver, new silver is shinier than gold, it’s cheaper which means you can reasonably afford to buy utensils and objects d’art made of it, but still. GOLD is the king of metals for a reason.

Just Google how really old gold coins, from English Guineas to medieval Ducats to the ancient Roman coinage look today. It’s astounding how brilliant they still are. By contrast, even uncirculated Very Fine silver coins from as recent as the 1950s look dull and gray.

Not dissing silver, it’s great I love it, I spend a huge chunk of my paycheck on the stuff every month. But... only gold is gold.

>>19969339
Oh the other special characteristic of gold is that it’s highly malleable which is always a plus in a metal in terms of the shapes you can make in into which is why jewelers can’t get enough of it.

(Of course silver has its own cool properties too like being antibiotic. So eat off silverware to avoid food poisoning)

>>19969308
Really? Anecdotal opinions? Because you like their food? Clean streets? Do I need to dump my China webm folder with 400+ videos of their Tier 1 cities looking like a sewer? Their street food carts swarmed by bugs because its proves they sue real sugar? Gutter oil farms? Virgin boy eggs? Century eggs? Live food restaurants with bugs birds dogs? Numerous wet markets? Have you see the Shanghai buffets and their backrooms? How they build cities with 1:1 replicas of European towns because they literally have no culture after destroying damn near all of it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO6A7G1TwOI

Literal troll 10/10 you baited me for like an hour congratulations.

>>19966391
Yeah obviously a ounce of gold weighs more then 20 hundred dollar notes, however I would argue a ounce of gold is more compact. It's not like carrying a few ounces of gold around is a real hassle.

Also

>>19969331
it looks new, while looking very old at the same time... what is that anon

>>19969371
It's a surplus M1 Garand - serial number says it's from the Springfield armory 1942. Shoots 30-06 and has an 8-round clip.

>>19969214
I know fren, i know... I hope one day you will overthrow the (((power))) behind the curtains who transformed your god-loving, beautiful and free nation into the current degenerate neo-socialist zogbot hellhole..
I have faith in you frens, i know a lot of white americans are still good-hearted and want to work toward a better future. You literally are the avant-garde of the white christian civilization, that's why it's so heart-breaking to see you sink into a talmudic pit.
All i do is just provoking to see you arise like the phoenix. Once true americans take back the reins of power and destroy this kabbalist nightmare you are trapped in, it will be the greatest nation on this planet. But the clock is ticking, and every hour passing make me more depressed about the situation you (we) are in. All i see right now is textbook russian bolchevism in the 30's. ie jewish politic comrads financing lawless mongols golems and training them to hate chrisitians and whites in general, to then promote them in the state repression forces (police) to massacre and rape the native population. They also used sexism and racism as divide and conquer back then, it was also promoting a socialist utopia of racial harmony. And it ended up in goulags and bloodbaths.

If the russian bolchevik revolution is the bluebook of what's currently happening, it will soon unfold as follow :
- to fight systemic racism, only blacks will be allowed in the police
- always more propaganda against the evil whiteys, teached in school, on TV, everywhere
- soon reeducation camps are created, to reform the mind of ppl who posted non-compatible behavior, like posting on 4chan or retweeting AJ
- nigger police is allowed to rape white women in the streets, to create a "beautiful colored future"
- whites are deemed a threat to national cohestion, nigger police is now allowed to shot anyone who don't please them
- all the history of the country, books, monuments, etc.. are burned, a new narrative is created

>>19969492
I don't think that it will happen quite the way that anyone expects it to, desu. I have this sneaking suspicion that sometime in the near future will be the kind of world-shaking event that radically alters the course of history. American exceptionalism is a real thing, and I expect no less of our eventual collapse.

>>19969354
What really make me angry is you are now taking the exact same path the CCP did, with the same (((marionette masters))) behind the curtains. If you hate China so much, please don't take the same path they did.

>>19969555
>in the near future will be the kind of world-shaking event that radically alters the course of history.
checked, do you have anything in mind?

>>19969587
I have no idea, man. All I can tell you is that it's going to be just so goddamn weird that nobody is going to believe it at first.

>>19969626
>so goddamn weird that nobody is going to believe it at first.
>mfw it happen to be a copper-backed dollar

>>19966776
start buying real estate

>>19969333
Wouldn't you like to know, glownigger.

>>19969149
>it’s not the Chinese who mutilate boys to make cream
Actually it’s from Chinese babies who American bought from chinese to make cream
Imagine believing a acountry who mutilate babies to sell their foreskin is benevolent

relax /pmg/
everything will be fine

>>19969176
You CAN choose to be dengenrate or obese, you can say anything here
Yet in China, you say something wrong ones , you get banned
You say it several times, you be gone

What are some junior mining stocks I should consider?

>>19969643
>copper-backed dollar
yes. copper stackers shall rain supreme

>>19970265
>rain

>>19969979

>>19967746

liberty lobby you say?

In order to avoid sales tax I have to order $1,000 in PM's at a time. I just want to be able to stack a little at a time, but I'm a cheap bastard. Sucks

>>19969979
Don't buy individual juniors unless you want to lose all your money. Buy GDXJ or SILJ.

>>19970844
For me it's $1500 and tax is about 10%. I would order at $300-$500 an order but the sales tax is too fucking huge

>>19971025
What state could possibly be more cucked than New York?

>>19971038
California

is https://silvergoldbull.com legit?

>>19971062
If you can't find an answer then check the archive to see if someone has ordered from that website

>>19971062

Yes. They used to have a 10 ounce silver bar for spot before the kung flu ht.

>>19971054
That would've been my guess

>>19966843
>until one country or bloc emerges with the advantage and transitions back into global reserve fiat
Why would we go back to a reserve currency standard? It's only been used in the last 50 years and it's allowed the US to steal obscene amounts of wealth from other nations. I doubt countries would willingly subject themselves to a reserve currency post USD collapse.

>>19971062
I ordered from them. They take forever to ship, but their prices seem to be amongst the lowest.

>>19971038
>>19971054
New Jersey. Virginia soon to follow.

Thanks all for confirmin silvergoldbull
I was going to order 1oz of gold when I get paid on July 15th is that too long of a wait before prices skyrocket or are we expecting a dip?

>>19969331
What gun is that?

>>19971259
>>19969383

>>19971216
I expect stagnation until after summer is over

>>19971287
Currently have 100oz silver and 5oz gold, my goal is 300oz silver and 6oz gold by September

>>19969283
>brass
Thats an alloy dumbass perhaps you meant copper in which case your are simply wrong. Yes copper, bronze and brass coins have all existed but now we are simply too good at mining copper, tin and zinc for it to be a precious metal. I would go so far to say copper alloys haven't been precious since 1200 BCE.

>lead
If by lead you mean manufactured ammunition then I low key agree, "lead" is the ultimate backstop "PM" that will keep you alive and fed no matter the circumstances.

>>19971484
>taking this long to understand the post
>over-analyzing each individual word
NGMI

>>19971054
This
It’s really expensive to buy pm with this much tax

>>19971038
Fucking Massachusetts, its cheaper to buy $23 rounds at the coin shop in real life with cash then it is to order $20.90 rounds online, even with the free shipping the sales tax makes online buying useless unless something became ridiculously cheap

>>19971716
Ah ok yeah brass and lead in conjunction that makes sense. Yes we once did an an inventory and between my brother, father, uncle and myself we have nearly 20k rounds of 5.56, 7k 308, 3k buckshot, 700+ slugs and 12k of assorted pistol ammo. Oh and I personally have 20 500 round bricks of .22lr. I think people really underestimate the round but its great for target practice and in a pinch theres tons of rabbits and other small game around here.

>>19971905
Nice stack! And 22lr is the most commonly used round size in recorded assassinations.

>>19966447
They’re shorting to show they believe in USD. They’re buying silver because they don’t.

>>19968740
Panda express

Bump

>>19971968
What did Yukon mean by this?

>>19971062
I’ve bought from them a few times. Even fucked up an order and they let me cancel and remake it with no extra charge. Good shipping too. I’m new to metals so I would look around and see if other sites are better but my experiences were fine.
[spoiler]13oz silver stacklet here slowly working their way up to 50oz by the end of the year

>>19972770
Shhhh.
;)

I have just listened to Eric Sprott interview. He is very exited for COMEX deliveries. Apparently they don't have enough physical silver to meet all requests they're gonna get next week.

Is he correct and what would be the consequences?

>>19972798
Bix Weir is also saying this. July could be a big month for silver...but we have heard this before

do you think guns and lead will increase in value faster than gold and silver on the way down?
i don't really think so. there's a lot more guns and gun owners than there are stackers, especially in my country

>>19969149
Holy shit, we got ourselves a little pink.

Man, I guess itd be obvious that if our own glowies are watching us, along with the rothjews, so too would the Chinese be following and trying to influence us.

>my daddy gubmint is more righteous than yours

>>19970691
Nice round! Didn't know they continued to produce them after the US started making ASEs.

All mine are dated 1980 and have a generic Liberty on the other side.

*dabs*

IMMMMM BAAAACKKKK

>>19966213
get that gold grabbing jew off this fucking thread. all roosevelts deserve to be melted down into silver dildos for OP

where's the anon who said it would never come in?

side quest: find a picture/video of ANYONE holding this coin

>>19973366
Based, FDR was a fucking traitor and only deserve the day of the melt down.

>>19973371
Based and big christian singing tubes pilled.

>>19973355
LMAO holy shit you actually bought it. Insanely based behavior.

>>19966061
Austrian 4 ducats just seem so good for stacking. Better premiums than whole ounces but at .4438oz each I can afford to buy one almost every paycheck instead of having to blueball myself two months at a go. Seriously, is there a downside? They're also aesthetic and feel like pirate gold instead of AGEs which look like they should be unwrapped and eaten.

>>19971803
Just get a PO Box in NH and go pick stuff up once a month. It’s literally $50 a year. I did this when I lived in VT.

>>19973371

are you that guy who spent spot plus 200 dollars for a one ounce silver coin?

>>19973505
spot plus $230 for a TWO ounce silver coin

>are you that guy who spent spot plus $500 on a 100lb steel fridge

>>19973371
If you're going to go through all that effort to be a nigger then at least post the pic the correct way.

>>19973563

congrats, you just lost 230 bucks. now learn how to hold your phone when you take a pic

>>19973371
you only did this to spite us didnt you?
well i can say this. you have been true to your word

>>19973593
>>19973615
4chan automatically formats vertical photos horizontally.

side quest: find anyone currently selling this coin

one was for sale on Aussie eBay for ~300 American and sold last week.

might list this for $1 more than I paid for it and sell it just to dab one more time on you poorfags

>>19973709

you are so bad for money you need to sell it already?

>>19973738
kindergarten level reading comprehension right there.

>>19973709
you should list it for $1 less than you paid for it

>>19973709
I could get it for $210 total just to spite you but I'm not an overpaying dumbass lol

>>19973709
I'm relatively poor but this is actually hilarious

>>19973801
the spergs would freak out screach about "see you lost money hurrr".
>>19973818
this is how this goes
>no you cant
>"hurrrr yes I can duahhh"
>ok post link
>"hurrrr no not going to do that derrrrr"

>>19973848
i agree

>>19973865
frivolous spending is a NGMI mindset anon, I hope you enjoy your coin though

>>19973848
>I'm relatively poor but this is actually hilarious
same here and i absolutely agree

>>19973899
so you gonna post that link or nah?

here, hold this

anyone else started mentally measuring their purchases in gold and silver? i've practically stopped buying anything i can live without

>>19973709
What's the coin called?

>>19974019

a unique toddler is seething massively

>>19974019
Polish:
Archikatedra w Oliwie - organy oliwskie

English:
Archcathedral in Oliwa - Oliwa Organ

>>19974004
I don't measure in gold or silver, but I do measure in worked hours. It's a good, savings-oriented mindset to have.

>>19968482
>engagement ring and wedding ring in gold pile

Anon are you okay?

>>19974047
You couldn't pay me to own a piece of shirt with the queen's face on it.

>>19974122
Lmao dont let these poorfags get to you
buy what you like

>>19974144
They should teach this in school starting in kindergarten. Oh, you want that $10 fast food meal? Well you make $12/hr stocking shelves at target, so you're basically Thanos-snapping 50 minutes of your life away in exchange for that crunchwrap supreme. Still seem like a good idea? No? Well then fucking pass and sock that money away for something actually worth trading your labor for.

I got 370 oz of silver in 10 gram cubes, half oz coins, 1 oz coins, a few 5 oz coins and 4 or 5 10 oz bars. I also have 25K worth of SILJ and First Majestic (Mostly SILJ)

Will I make it? Lets find out.

Fucking Sprott took 4 months to deliver 22 ounces I ordered back before the 'Rona was a major problem.First majestic was only 1 week late, even with the crazy demand. Thats one of the reasons I picked up some of their shares.

>>19973371
Fucking based. Well done.

>>19974004
>tfw every single $20 could be an ounce of silver if you only avoid spending it
>tfw every month you have an extra $250 left at the end of the month is potentially an extra opportunity to buy a 1/10th of gold

I too know these feels Anon. It makes it hard to spend on those frivolous, but relatively small purchases of consumer products. How can you spend $10 on something you don't need when if you just don't do that three times, you will have another ounce of silver, even if it's a plain Krugerrand or easily bullied Philly?

Clearly there's a point at which this becomes unhealthy, but maybe in these times, there are worse things than being like this.

I wonder why it is so much easier to be a miser when you stack precious metals? It's almost as hard NOT to be a miser when you are a stacker as it is not to be a spendthrift when you're not a stacker.

>>19974404
Buying PM's triggers the consoomer dopamine reward system, unlike numbers on a screen.

I've stopped spending so much money on booze, it's great.

>>19974404
I quit drinking coffee in order to purchase more silver. I was spending enough on coffee to buy an extra OZ per week. Its better this way, we are driven by frivolous consumption.

>>19974444

>>19974144
by this measure, it takes me almost a half an hour of work to earn one ounce of silver
comparatively, it takes me about 42 hours of work to earn one ounce of gold.
sheesh

>>19974444
I can't quite commit to that point, life is too short, it's good to be able to enjoy things.

>>19974424
>get to spend AND save money at the same time
we've cheated the system, bois

>>19974444
>>19974555
Moderation in all things

>>19974424
>get to have the pleasure of spending AND saving money at the same time
we've cheated the system boys

>>19974444
Anyways how many oz of silver are you at?

>>19974629
370. I'm gonna need to buy a new car in 2 or 3 months so now I'm saving for that instead of stacking more

>>19974537
This measure also makes me bullish, historically one days work of unskilled labor was 1/10th an ounce of silver

>>19974695
And do you hold any linkies?

>>19974734
No, I don't play games I don't understand, even if I see other people making a killing on it. I managed to make about 1K off of ethereum, but this was a year or 2 ago now. I don't understand enough about cryptocurrency, or the advantages of chainlink in order to do anything but gamble with it.

>>19974866
Are you older than 55?

>>19974918
No. I am also skeptical of cryptocurrency in general due to the massive spike and crash in BTC. I think it has scared normies off for sometime, and millenials and zoomers aren't wealthy enough to throw substantial amounts of $$$ into it.

>>19974947
How do you people even find this place?

>>19973440
I have one, its my least favorite coin, its so slim you can bend it by accident.
But in the end, gold is gold and if that is what you can get for the lowest premium you are fine with them.
Personally I prefer Sovereigns/2 Rand, 5,81g LMU coins, 20/100 Kronen Austria

>>19974958
I've been on 4chan for about 14 or 15 years nows lol, I started on /b/ with the habbo hotel raids

>>19975017
@_@

>>19975017
P O O L S
C L O S E D
D U E
T O
A I D S

>>19966061
How much metal should I accumulate to survive the upcoming hyperinflation? I'm a poorfag, currently 2oz of gold and ~20oz of silver.

>>19975131
You don’t really have much time...

>>19975140
I know :(

>>19975131
1oz fine gold per month of suffering, now you only need to assume how long the world will be in trouble

>>19975131
>2oz of gold
at today's prices, that gold is worth about 175 ounces of silver bullion, just sayin'

>>19975017
>I've been on 4chan for about 14 or 15 years nows lol, I started on /b/ with the habbo hotel raids
my nigger

>>19975131
10 oz gold
250 oz silver

How necessary is it to seal up silver/gold coins in those plastic shells? I like being able to hold the coin itself.

>>19975217
I also remember that mountain dew had a contest to allow the internet to name their new flavour. So /b/ organized a raid and the winning name was "Hitler Did Nothing Wrong". I can't remember if that came before or after the habbo hotel raids but man oh man, lol. I'm pretty sure I got banned for trying to organize another raid shortly after.

>>19975261

0 percent necessary

>>19975261
For gold its really not needed, gold does not oxidize or tarnish, but depending on the alloy of your coin you may easily scratch or damage it

Silver generally sucks ass, the best solution to stop it from tarnishing is vacuum sealing it.

>>19975017
That was fun. Furry Fridays were always spammed with trains.
>>19975289
Thanks.

>>19975299
I couldn't get any of my silver to tarnish until I put bleach on it.

>>19975301
Ahahaha, yes, I remember that. And cock mongler was a new and exciting meme.

>>19975299
Ceятeли, nice.

>>19975314
This is how coins look like that I had for three years in a drawer and handled with bare hands a lot, giving it to friends and family while discussing about precious metals.
In the end it doesnt matter as silver is junk anyways and you get junk price for it.

>>19975333
checked

>>19975131
>2oz of gold
Thats more than 99.9% of Americans and 95% of this board. Now just go deep on silver while the price is still low. 1:100 ratio seem to be what people recommend so at least 180oz of silver before you buy more gold.

>>19975017
Shit man same. Although not consistently. I used to be underage b& posting on /b/ and /v/ in high school then came back in 2010ish and got heavy into the redpill rabbit hole on /pol/. Left with the exodus to fulchan in 2014 but thats been gayoped to oblivion.

Now I'm completely disconnected from politics, I just stack and work on my homestead and self improvement.

>>19975261
>How necessary is it to seal up silver/gold coins in those plastic shells? I like being able to hold the coin itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hRpWV0Vuxo

>>19975321
That and /z/.
>>19975370
>>19975396
Thanks for clearing that up.

Am I the only person who enjoys tarnished silver?

>>19975444
nope, tarnished silver looks neat. it sucks with just milk spots but it gets better with an old patina

>>19975444
no
though i like a burnish effect better

>>19975299
Thinking of starting to stack those francs

>>19975615
good choice, how high is the premium for those where you live?

>>19975639
about 4.1% for an online seller here in germany

>>19975747
That sucks. Buy this instead for 1,3% plus shipping 6,90€ DHL. https://www.edelmetall-handel.de/goldmunze-20-kronen-osterreich.html?pp=g&utm_source=gold.de

>>19975791
nice, not that aesthetic imo but a good price

>>19975845
Better than queen coins

>>19974979
I see, I read that it was a thin coin in the apmex reviews but didn't think it would be that awful. 100 kronens aren't that much more expensive so I may save up for that for my next purchase.

What is LMU?

>>19975396
why melt it down though?
No matter how carefully you work you're going to lose a bit of silver for literally no gain?

>>19975444
Mildly tarnished sure but silver can turn straight black in a rather unsightly way

>>19975885
very common 5,81g fine gold coins alloyed to 900/1000, french, belgian and swiss are common and can be bought for low premiums
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_Monetary_Union

>>19975902
>why melt it down though?
idk. to pour bars?
my point by posting the video shows that in the end 99% of bullion coins, including proof coins, are in the end only worth the metal they are made of

>>19975911
Those are e.g. the french and swiss 20 francs I see floating around? It looks like premiums for those are at or above 2020 1oz gov minted coins at the moment, so far as I can find.

>>19974958
I guarantee you that the handful of posters on this board with money aren't gambling on your pet shitcoin. Which is exactly what you are all doing by the way. You're gambling and speculating that the value of your shitcoin de-jour is going to pump and then you sell it off for some other currency. Your shitcoins don't solve any useful problems, they don't store value, and the certainly don't have a use case outside of being implemented by governments for digi-dollars. Your shit coins are only good for PnD scams and we all know it. I'm not sure who you're trying to con at this point.

>>19976022
Lmfao you're never going to make it! And you're so confident about it too!

>Lmfao you're never going to make it! And you're so confident about it too!

>>19968033
>>19968086

If you want to actually protect your shit get a UL listed save. TL 30x6 is what you want. Do not buy amsec garbage. Do not buy a safe that weighs less than 1500 lbs... at 1500 is a SMALL safe.

>>19976002
sure, it depends where you live, maybe they are expensive in the us, here in europe they are among the cheapest coins you can get in that size

>>19976051
Yes I'm sure they are all inherently valuable projects, which is why /biz/ had an average of 112 shitcoin threads on its catalogue over the past 30 days. I'm sure the majority of projects aren't Pajeet run scams where you and the same 20 retards keep getting dumped on, while the minority aren't whale run scams where you and the same 20 retards that keep getting dumped on will never have an influence on the price. I'm sure that blindly throwing your monthly 300 NEETBUX into whatever project has the most flashing lights next to it is completely sound and is not degen gambling at all.

At least if you wanted to make it by playing online poker you'd be displaying some agency.

Fuck it, I was going to wait until the next thread to ask, but:
>Ebay buying
How likely are you to get fucked? I'm cross-referencing coins with databases to ensure accurate silver content, but even that's a gamble, sinc they could just be fakes.
>junk silver
I'm assuming that anything that isn't .999 is considered "junk", since it's an alloy, and thus less valuable.
Is it still worth getting .925/ .835/ .5 coins?

>>19976176
I only brought up LINK not a sea of shitcoins.

>>19976191
Ebay isn't that bad just look at the sellers ratings and at how long they've been a vendor on the site.

>>19968033
>I don’t know if your still here anon, but this is a reply to your safe question.
thanks anon, i will get a safe like the one in your image and hide it quite cleverly

>>19976191
>Ebay
Ask yourself how some random guy selling ASEs out of his house is able to undercut 3 or 4 large firms moving hundreds of thousands of dollars a day. The answer is either he has brain damage or you're buying fakes.

>junk
US silver coinage was 90%, not sure what commonwealth nations used. You'll get the spot value of the silver content for that stuff if you sell it. 40% Kennedy half dollars are a bit different since they require so much more work to refine back into fine silver.

>>19976191
Also before you take this advice: >>19976228
Consider the same person also said this: >>19976196

>>19967247
it is easier to fake paper notes and base metal currencies then it is to fake gold/silver.

paper is just that, paper, it may have holograms, inks, and so on, but faking those is not as hard as faking PM's, and it is a more convincing fake when done.

You literally can not fake PM's, once someone tests it, it will show as gold/silver or not, a simple weight/displacement test will detect any fake, because you simply cannot fake specific gravity of physical elements.

>>19976228
>sellers rating
Aye, that's the only way I can see of making any kind of choice with this.
>>19976248
>either he has brain damage or you're buying fakes
Yeah, that was my thinking, so I was going to limit it to buying old collectibles with a high silver content, which is why I was asking about junk. So, what you're telling me is that, day comes when you want to cash out coins that are less than .999, a dealer will pay for the silver content at market value? I would have thought you'd take a hit from the fact that they'd need to refine it, as you've said. That only applies after a certain threshold?

>>19976269
You just know everything, life must be super boring for you, having a big brain and all... I've bought plenty of silver from ebay and had it tested. A lot of coin shops/dealers have Ebay pages since the 90s.

>>19976022
I see it as this, it’s my first ever investment I feel good about and can actually get behind. I’m shit at saving so if I can put my money into something that won’t ever actually lose money then fucking hooray.

I can hold it and it’s not just numbers in the bank.

Now that I’ve turned into a magpie I don’t gamble anymore and I actually want to save now to get more shinies.

Buy Goldmining
Buy Goldmining
Buy Goldmining
Buy Goldmining
Buy Goldmining

It's started to moon you fucks I've been trying to tell you for weeks

>>19973440
I have one. Only downside is that they are super thin and don't fit neatly in any coin capsules.
They are beautiful though.

>>19976156
Yeah thats retarded. The best security is operational security. I'd rather use a well concealed 500lb safe that I install myself then 1500lb monstrosity that I have to hire several people just to move. Several people that now know exactly where my safe is.

New thread, perhaps?

>>19976710
No

new: >>19976993

>>19974621
Based and guru-pilled, fren. You're GMI.

I tend to see common sense as, well, common. Unfortunately, I quickly forget that these days, it isn't.

I don't really put too much away on silver on account of being a poorfag wagie, but I can drop 20 clownbux from my weekly (((paycheck))) on it without compromising my savings strategies. I'm making sure to build up my clownbux stack as well as an insurance policy against pre-reset crises, like, say, losing my shitty, slave-wages job, or just needing to quit and find better employment. I'm in the process of looking now

I will purchase things that I need and don't have when I need them, but I watch my spending.

Similarly, I won't deny myself luxury goods and services that I know I will get enough use out of to justify their purchase.

After all, as you so eloquently and simply stated: "Moderation in all things."

>>19974537
In 1964, minimum wage was just under 0.9ozt of silver an hour ($1.25FV in 90% coinage). Today, that minimum wage has fallen to less than half of that (0.4ozt in clownbux at spot today). We've been earning less and less in real terms for some time now.

>>19974621
"In all things, a calm heart must prevail"

- Fawkes,
(circa 2277)