/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>19905210
U can be an entrepreneur just do something that will keep human interaction to a minimum like IT

>>19905210
At least INTJs have motivation. INTP is all the stuff you mentioned but you're also a lazy sack of shit who can't focus on anything if it doesn't interest you. Shit sucks, yo.

>>19905310
INTP here. Life sucks balls when you do something you don't like. Do the opposite and it'll be fucking amazing.

intp here. feel life would be better the fewer people i interact with. maybe start with real estate when i make it just to diversify

>>19905348
The problem is nothing I like is anything I could get paid to do. I like reading about history all day. But even as a historian (which is statistically the lowest paying major, even lower than art history somehow), you have to write, and I fucking hate writing in a formal essay format. So unless I can get paid to spit facts out at people, I'm fucked.

>>19905432
Maybe try making content on youtube

>>19905432
The solutions are pretty fucking clear.
Either become a teacher: it involves a lot more talking. The only writing you'll do is either on the board or grading.
Or just, don't be a historian?
>If you're good at something people will pay a premium for it

>>19905210
ISTP here am I fucked?

INTJ reporting in. I only live for the extension of life and space exploration. I do not care for luxuries beyond the inherited benefit to be had socially.

>>19905480

Ehh, being good at socializing is important, but it's exhausting if you still hate doing it.

>>19905432
lol what a boring loser, unless you can actually apply the lessons learnt from history to current day in which case what a legend

>>19905210
>TFW born to work in a field as a farmer or to follow orders and die young in battle
>Instead born in modern day
>Life is confusing and uncomfortable

Smart enough to know what the problem is, but too stupid/socially inept to make it work. What's the solution boys (besides the obvious one)?

INTP here, I think most of biz is, I accepted that success and what I want can't be had through traditional means. Joining the workforce you'll just end up playing their games, helping others succeed at the cost of your happiness and dreams. There are ways to make it in this world as an INT*, but it won't be in traditional ways, can't be found in how-to books or YouTube tutorials. Good luck.

INFJ here...

burnt out today but still working.

i hate and love you all

>>19905964
if you're not intj then you're int gay

I am INFP. What does that make me?

ENTP/ENFP reporting in.

>>19906209
Hello, fellow INFJ. If anything, we are the best suited for making it as traders. Best Ni users by far, especially for something so irrational.

>>19905210
trade or code

ENTP checking in. Life is pretty fucking good!

>>19906253
A pussy

>>19906172
>unless you can actually apply the lessons learnt from history to current day
Well, I do recognize the fact that the modern progressive zeitgeist that produces SJW cancer is merely a sect of pietistic Protestantism that became so low church it removed the need for Jesus altogether. Everything we are seeing today was foreshadowed by the English Dissenters/Nonconformists of the 1600s; we are dealing with modern day Levellers.

>>19906291
That's very true. How did you know?

>>19905210
very relatable. i started a tech repair company (no employees) and it was great, worked alone and made good money for 8 years. i started a restaurant 3 years ago to branch out and try to be better at working with others. i hate it.

ISTJ here.

Am I fucked for life?

>>19905210
ENTJ chad here. Maybe get out of your comfort zone and talk and socialize for 5-7 years to properly develop your social cues

>>19906342
yes but you also need to be able to remove the code terms and translate it into plain english for people who don't have any knowledge of the concepts that you've studied

I'm an INFP but I got like 53%Feeling and 47%Thinking

I don't like how they put you at polar opposites when you can be both

>>19906497
or not, actually fuck other people desu. as long as you can use the lessons you've learned irl then that's all that matters.

>>19905210
ENTP masterrace

>>19906469
too much effort and waste of time desu
i wish i could give people orders and they do what i tell them its not like i will make them do things that will hurt them in anyway

>>19906535
Gamers rise up

>>19905964
I’m ISTP allegedly but always identify with the INTP anons

>>19905432
Teaching is the only way to do that. If you teach at a private or charter school you won't get canned for teaching the truth, most likely.

>>19906425
Join the military

>>19906342
Here's an idea: Make a youtube channel where you elaborate on how current events run parallel to historic events and then offer a perspective on how to navigate through these current events based on how our predecessors handled things historically. I'd subscribe right now

>>19906425
no we are underrated

>>19905964
NPC tier

>>19906675
sounds like "academy of ideas"

>>19906783
Kindof. He focuses more on a philosophical perspective though. anon could make something more rooted in history, I think

>>19905964
I'm INTP but INTJ anon's experiences use to resonate a lot with me

INTP

Lots of you faggots seem to think just because you’re an introvert you are destined to be an artist for all your life. Introverted means you expend energy in social situations and regain it when alone. This does not mean you can’t be the life of the party. It’s taken a few years but I genuinely love talking to people in work now, and would consider myself an extrovert if not for the fact that I feel drained after a long day of socialising and still feel the need for a recharge session (usually shitpost on biz, accumulate OMG and AAVE and masturbate to missionary style white couple cream pies)

We’re all gonna make it bros

why the fuck do I get different results if I change the language in which I'm doing this test? In french I'm INTP-A and in english I'm INTP-T?

>>19906186
Get into agriculture

>>19906186
Too real man

>>19907058
You will get different results depending on your mood too

>>19905210
INTP here making good money
youre probably just a lazy cunt

>>19905210
> sorry i. lazy and don't work anon. I'm a Scorpio, what do you expect from me?

>>19905432
Start a medium like blog. Write about badass history stuff. Get some merch developed(t-shirts, mugs) about said badass stories. Boom, you can start right now.

>>19906469
ENTJ ftw

>>19907058
Because you lack conviction. Your mind wanders from its core, making it more difficult to discover.

>>19906342
>>19907320
See, just write stuff like this and break it down

>>19906208
I fucking hate this type of motherfucking jewish "don't share info sucker" bastard. Goddamn.

I'm so desperate for guidance.

INTP here, the way I found success was to find budding niches and dominate them (for me, field IT work, Poker, selling software, freelancing). You can succeed, but I don't recommend the traditional ways to (go to school, work 9-5). You have to carve your own path, you have to look for opportunities that suit your interests. Whether it be bike repair, sales, creation in an artistic form, you can do it, just try.

What work suits INFJ? I can't stand corporate work, even IT. Feels like I need to build my own thing.

>>19907410
>>19907415
As for comparison. Here is a good man.

A bit too vague still. But that can give us some ideas. I was thinking of learning mechanics freelance and starting to repair old scooters/cars/bike and reselling them.

Would that be a good way to make money as a side gig ? Where can I find good sources ?

>>19907487

Only way to find out is to try. Can start your own business in your garage or rent somewhere, advertise on places like craigslist/facebook marketing and see how it goes. You'd need your own tools, ofcourse.

Remember though, things like this take a long time to get big. Expect a few customers in the first couple months. Patience truly is a virtue, if you love what you do then you won't mind waiting years to be successful.

>>19906015
So like the rest of us you inhabit a fantasy universe of your own creation

>>19905210
I own my own business doing freelance analytics and revenue optimization for hospitals+clinics.

t. INTJ

>>19905310
>>19905348
kek this, put in my notice so i'll be out of job in august, they all think I found something better because npc's can't imagine how you'd quit a software engineering job during a pandemic and maybe upcoming economic crisis, but I'm tired and I don't like my boss.
going to neet it up at my parents' and play for waiting for my linkies and now small stack of dmg to moon

>>19905210
>i'm all of this
>every test gives me intj
>but i'm also schizoid and retarded
life is hell

>>19906469
>Maybe get out of your comfort zone and talk and socialize for 5-7 years to properly develop your social cues
>E's
Socializing is boring and draining not scary.

>>19905348
I'm an INTP but im an ultrasound tech, I kinda like my job, it pays very well for my standards (85k gross USD annually) all the jobs I like to do are outside, I loved wildland firefighting but im not going to be a slave to the jew government for 2000/month when i could be making 7k/month. finance and business have taken my interest as of these past 4 months and Im starting to like it because not a lot of people understand it and it makes me money.

INTP chainlink holder here

I work at a grocery store while I trade shitcoins and try to get rich

>>19906675
predecessors probly handled it by beating and stoning the gays and sjw's

>>19905310
>INTP can relate. Engineer at a big car manufacture though

>>19906783
Love that channel

>>19908807
Godspeed

>>19905210
become a neet

>>19907810
>revenue optimization for hospitals+clinics
How did you get into that? Did you work at one previously and recruited customers from there? Where did you learn how to optimize healthcare revenue?

>>19905964
Fellow ISTP here, you’re like an INTP / INTJ hybrid so no you aren’t fucked.

You’re not so close minded and anal, but at the same time you can be lazy and fuck all. But somehow from the weird combination we get to be really based on kinesthetic intelligence and have the knack to be mysterious chads (ESTP is our cousin). So it is the best type ngl

I took the meyers briggs test and it said I was RWNJ

>>19907810
>freelance analytics

ENTP checking in. Too smart for wageslaving, not too autistic for entrepeneurship. Unfortunately unable to focus on anything for longer periods of time.

>>19908852
there's a lesson to be learned here for sure then

>>19905210
The way I see it, very few people enjoy their job. They just tolerate it. If any brainlet off the street can fold boxes all day and be content, so can I. So I work an average job and excel at it (partially because I'm good at it, partially because most people are stupid). I grew up poor and have applied the lessons my father taught me to save as much as possible all while living a more comfortable and stable life than people making more than me.
Life can be easy for INTJs if you get a grip and learn to expand and apply what you know. I still have a problem with that but everything becomes easier with practice.

>>19906511
same but I associate more with the intp, it's all pretty wishy washy anyway isn't it

INTP here

>>19905310
>>19905348
The difference between an intj and intp is the amount of sleep.
You get a sleep schedule and you go from intp to intj.

>>19905210
I was an INTJ in highschool and college... but now im somehow ENFP? how does this happen? am i fucked?

I test as INTJ. I'm not sure about the scientific validity of the test and whatever but there's certainly some truth in it.

This book - among others - helped me make a plan for my career. Tl;dr pick something with good prospects that you don't hate, spend years on an unofficial 'apprenticeship' where you learn the job & industry, then after several years when you've built enough career capital and expertise you'll be better positioned to make demands in your career. I tried for years to find the perfect vocation but the truth is is that your enjoyment of the work is largely tied in to your perceived ability. The better you get and more 'career capital' you accrue, the more enjoyable the work will be, generally speaking

>>19910401
based, going through this process myself. i hate that i have to do it desu. i just want to be retired and 3 years away from my deathbed so i dont have to deal with the petty cocksucking that it takes to be able to afford a cardboard shitbox in suburbia

>>19905210
INTP here; I'm a political scientist. It can be stressful and there are times where I question my career choice, but I'm very good at it and it pays quite well. Don't lose hope that you will find a job that fits you.

>>19905210
I have a CS degree but desu most coding jobs are for extroverts nowadays. The only truly introverted job is trading shitcoins/stocks etc with your own money but the problem there is you need to be pretty rich in the first place to make any real money from trading so I'm fucked....

>>19908486
Are you me?

>>19910401
>show me the book, the blog, and then tweet
based anon summary

>>19911331
no i'm me

>>19911836
accurate as far as i'm concerned

>>19910401
Greene is a very good author.
48 laws and art of seduction were very eye opening.
That man's insights are very empowering.

I never did finish Mastery, though...

Anyway, I think having a career is fucking stupid the older I get. I'm interested in making a few hundred grand off of crypto and holding on for passive income while I build a homestead.
My plan is to be in make it territory by 2026.
I think I'm going to breed dogs and maybe chickens, grow some fruits and peppers and shit and maybe learn a few languages and do some translation work on the side as a hobby. Meanwhile, I plan to employ a specific swinging strategy or two and maybe do some brief moon shots on the side.
Also, not holding some precious metals is a mistake. I'm saving those for the golden years.

>using myers briggs as a self fulfilling prophecy

fags

>>19912224
poor brainlets...

>>19909487
Same bro, pursuing becoming a professional fighter because nothing else holds my attention for more than a few months when I reach 60-80% proficiency at it. It’s a blessing and a curse being ENTP because I get good at things very rapidly, but get bored of it just as quickly.

>entp here
Unable to survive in the corporate world, just autistic enough to have the gift of gab and run my own business.

Can't get close to anyone, though, because "much extroverted introvert"

>>19905348
>>19905210
I'm INTP as well and while it wasn't the highest paying or ideal job I actually enjoyed it 50% of the time; repairing electronics and refurbishing other things.

Basically I was on my own listening to music and fixing shit all day. Got pretty good at it too and the company flew me down somewhere else to learn a new product line. Unfortunately that company lost most of it's business and things slowed down but it was still a fun job and something I never expected to be doing for a living. Although I want to do something in IT

>>19905432
>So unless I can get paid to spit facts out at people, I'm fucked.
You can literally do exactly that. Start a youtube channel and go over history events exactly as they happened. It takes some effort to put it into the right format (editing, backgroundp pics etc) but you can make money out of that no problem. Market yourself on twitter by getting involved in political discussions (which is fucking easy right now since everyone is triggered by everything) and you'll grow a fanbase in no time if you actually know what you're talking about

>>19906015
Are we brothers? My dream job is to work at spacex

>>19905310
Literally me. Got a good degree and job as engineer but shit is so boring my motivation has withered and I don’t give a shit anymore.

>>19906603
Different anon. Did that, hated it, got out. Now what?

>>19905210
INTP here, can confirm

>>19905210
im an INTJ-A and i manage a crypto hedge fund worth currently 18.6 million in USD value.

>>19913157
>my daddy got me a job

>>19906209
We’re all going to make it, just gotta find a niche and be willing to jump into the unknown. Better to pursue something you’re passionate about, and struggle, than to be miserable with mediocrity.

As an intj/p you can figure out how to survive in any system. So why not pursue what excites you and survive until it pays off?

I’m going to school for aquaculture in the fall. Leaving a lucrative job behind to do it. Gonna be a year of trying to make ends meet, but I’m glad I’m doing it. I don’t want to be the guy that works for people he hates.

>>19905210
> being clever is about environnement adaptation
> Deal with it

>>19907428
We work best with helping people because it's rewarding.

>>19907415
I always considered youtube but never wanted fame.
You can get doxxed. You never are truly anonymous.

>>19915170
How the fuck can you dox someone with glasses on?

INFP here. How do I profit off this?

>>19915201
That is why you take them off.

>>19905210
Where can I get that pic but for

ENFP
ENTP

Wonder why som many INTPs found this place. You all convey information in a simple and structured manner.
What would be the best career Path for an INTP? Teacher maybe? Or be part of some big project like chainlink.
That's what I do. Work in a warehouse and put my wages into crypto. Gym Is also a good way to cope

>>19906208
INTP as well and I recognized that I was going to fail attempting the traditional route from early early early on.

>>19907410
It's suffering but once you get your foot grounded in figuring out what you want, you'll get places. To start out, the method is the same for all types of people. Focus on what you enjoy, and find a way to share it with others.

For instance, I fell in love with blockchain tech and Chainlink from the discussions on this board. This manifested as me doing a guest lecture at my local uni for a professor that was interested in blockchain technology, and now we're creating a startup to use blockchain tech to address a local agricultural problem in the district.

You have to be willing to do for others to open doors for others to do for you. Find what you're passionate about and find a way to share it with others. Us INTs have to do in a nonstructured way, hence why it's so difficult to find guidance. Good luck fren.

Some were lucky to find cushy office jobs. been able to put part of each paycheck into crypto and wait for the brighter day of not wageslaving

>>19915227
??

>>19915584
I'm fucking crying (ENTP, I love animals but the description sociopath in full raid gear fits too well sometimes)

>>19905210
Intj here as well, just one year of wage slaving absolutely fucking ruined my soul. We were born for greatness my niggers, dont fall for this trap. Get rich or die tryin

>>19915847

You've gotta grind to get to the next level anon. Not that hard to do.

>>19905210
>INTP
>basically retarded
the cake is a lie

>>19915684
what is this wojak for istj called

>>19915816
There were multiple ways I could've interpreted that statement so I made a joke.
>How the fuck can you dox someone with glasses on?
You never know.

>>19916178
Don't tell people IRL you have a youtube channel, keep your face covered, never use your real name, refer to your location indirectly, put out misleading info. EZPZ.

>>19906015
Can relate. Though I do indulge in expensive watches with my crypto gains

Just start your own business it is the only way to self actualization
Plus you are making money for yourself

>>19915019
>aquaculture

>>19907925
How do you feel? What tipped you over?
Similar situation here with a top percentile paying job and benefits but I can’t take it anymore. I have a bit more than a suicide stack, not enough to truly make it.

>>19915584
Thinking I’m not an INFP anymore.

I’m an INTJ and am enjoying my job in corporate finance. The meetings are shit but my autism is excused because I am the only one who knows how to make a readable graph.

>>19915584
I never get tired of this image

>>19915418
Has anyone actually applied at smartcontracts?
They’re hiring too.

>>19916044
Supreme gentleman ?

https://www.namebase.io/domains/mbti

buy

>>19906289
I know, right

>>19907415
good advice man

>>19907428

INFJ here. Started a legal marijuana grow and trade shit coins. Will never-ever work for someone and never did before. I just don't have any real friends, which absolutely sucks for our type.

>>19915166

Sort of, but be careful of getting burnt bc of your big feels which most people don't have.

>>19906209
>>19906272
>>19907428
is your ability to read people a factor in your investment decisions? how much of a factor is it? how much weight do you give?

>>19906186
Go be a plumber

>>19905210
Myers Briggs personalty types are just astrology for guys.

>>19905210
>he isn't ENTP/ESTP
never gonna make it

>>19905210
>stating you're "too smart" to be a wage slave
>taking some Myers-Briggs personality at face value

Kill yourself anon.

>>19906100
>it's exhausting if you still hate doing it.
it certainly is. like a cat trapped in a room with puppies.

>>19906469
Maybe start you own thread clout chaser.

>>19906469
>J
pussy bitch

At least you're not doomed to be a wage slave worker bee like us ISTJ's. Middle management is the best I can ever aspire for

>>19905210
INTJ are not in business. They are in STEM. If you’re an INTJ and not in STEM then you’re not a true INTJ

>>19920197
I made the jump from a research institute to a startup and it’s a little weird: they love me for my technical prowess but hate me for my brutal honesty. What do?

>>19920197
I’m an intj accountant and hate my life. Does that count?

>>19920197

>implying there isn't a sweet spot marriage of STEM and business like what Bill Gates struck gold on

I have a STEM degree (CS) but have taken an avid interest in business and economics postgrad after getting a job. I'd like to possibly start my own business someday in my 30's.

>>19906425
Fellow ISTJ here.
Yes, but luckily you won't mind.

>>19920435
This. It's a pleasant hell. My therapist asked me what my biggest life ambitions were, and I told him that I wanted to buy a house, start a family in that house, support them with a stable nine to five grind, retire in my sixties and then die in the house I own surrounded by my wife and kids.
He looked at me like I was insane.

Does no one ITT realize Myers Briggs was disproven? I hate this board

>>19920762
Anyone here with an IQ over room temperature should recognize that it’s marginally above astrology, but if can promote a little introspection how is that a bad thing?

>>19920829
Because introspection based on a flawed assumption can potentially be dangerous

Plus, we both know most people here are below average IQ and I don't want them stuck in a hamster wheel of emotion because of a pretty infographic

>>19920181
I became a pharmacist on the basis of me being ISTJ. No regrets.

>>19920942
If they’re that stupid they’ll lock themselves into some sort of ridiculous hamster wheel of belief anyway. Better pseudoscience than full on /x/ tier batshit as far as I’m concerned

>>19905210
I did that test the first time and got INTJ. At the Rome, I didn’t realize that it was the cool one that everybody wants to be.

Did the test a bunch of times since, and I got INTJ every time except for once, where I got INTP.

I’m lazy and have trouble focusing, not really sure if I’m J or P.

>>19905210
INTJs is the ultimate, extremely rare type
INTJs are too smart to be a wage slave, and dislike social activity so not entrepreneurs, so they do things like programming a profitable trading bot and stay superior to the rest of the humans to pursue their goals (which is often getting every collectibles in selected video games)

I am an INTP who has these in big five testing..
>You are very low in industriousness, which is one aspect of conscientiousness. Your score puts you at the 8th percentile for industriousness. If you were one of 100 people in a room, you would be less industrious than 91 of them and more industrious than 8 of them.
>You are very low in orderliness, which is one aspect of conscientiousness. Your score puts you at the 4th percentile for orderliness. If you were one of 100 people in a room, you would be less orderly than 95 of them and more orderly than 4 of them.
>You are very low in compassion, which is one aspect of Agreeableness. Your score puts you at the 4th percentile for compassion. If you were one of 100 people in a room, you would be less compassionate than 95 of them and more compassionate than 4 of them.
>You are low in politeness, which is one aspect of Agreeableness. Your score puts you at the 12th percentile for politeness. If you were one of 100 people in a room, you would be less polite than 87 of them and more polite than 12 of them.
RIP

>>19921893
Get your shit together you dirty, lazy, cranky ass nigger

>>19920762
It's based off of Jungian psychology, which is based off of the four temperaments. Men have believed in personality types for thousands of years so as a theory it holds some water. I think personalities are undulating within boundaries set by natural temperament. Generally these can't change unless something drastic happens, like becoming religious or having a child die.

The worst thing about this shit though is that businesses take personality tests very seriously and will even make decisions based off of results. So if you're one of the autistic personalities you better start faking being extroverted or you'll never reach middle management.

>>19905210
INTP accountant here.
I make next to nothing and want to kms every fucking day of my fucking job. Doing it for 10 years now with no career success at all. I'm brilliant and I saved my boss $8,000 on taxes from a previous overpayment due to the intricacies of our accounting system, but the day to day repetitive bullshit is fucking killing me.
Help.

>>19905310
My life and career rests on a foundation of absolute fakery of emotions. I don't even know what I enjoy anymore and don't even care to find out. Just so tired.

>>19922036
>aspiring to middle management
What a time to be alive!

>>19922073
>INTP accountant

Are you serious? You are a human gold mine. Level up your social skills (which in actuality are just like any other kind of skill), steal a couple clients and move to Belize or somewhere.

Two of my friends are accountants, got married, switched to online, moved to the Turks and Caicos and live like frigging royalty on a combined like seven grand. They have a fucking villa on a beach.

You can work from anywhere.

>>19922036
>So if you're one of the autistic personalities you better start faking being extroverted or you'll never reach middle management.
Have a friend who works in luxury retail (expensive handbags) and they even use them there. She is insane and punches on with her manager at every opportunity.. so obviously it did not work so well in that case.
>>19921953
I'm reasonably successful - so at least from my perspective everything is fine. Waiting for link has been the easiest thing ever.

>>19915584
tfw literal baby

What do u do?

>>19922130

You could retire pretty quickly off a $150k middle manager salary and austere lifestyle anon.

>>19922134
Thanks for the encouragement. I'm going to keep at it. Dream was to work for the gov't and do nothing...maybe I should be angling to be retained as a contractor and work remotely.

>>19922310
>I should be angling to be retained as a contractor and work remotely.

I personally know two people who are extremely happy doing that. They work a few hours a day in a tropical paradise where a few grand a month puts you in the 1%. All you need are some clients who love you, and all that takes is reading How to Win Friends and Influence People and maybe taking a Carnegie course.

>>19913157
>Fabricated internet stories for $200, Alex.

>>19905310
>>19905432
>>19906015
>>19906100

If you struggle with motivation and the classic advise of breaking stuff up into small tasks, making lists ect. does not work then just fucking buy a bottle of your choice of motivation pills (adderall, dexedrine, modafinil ect.) but don't pick a path that you need to take it often or if you can, at all once you have gotten the hard part over.
Eg. Use them to get that essay/assignment at uni started or finished, online business set up, first few weeks of a normie job. Once you have gotten yourself past the hard stuff you won't need motivation as you already learnt/got started/setup whatever it is you want to do.

>t. 28 y/o GP, med school was fucking hard and failed a year due to my laziness, took some motivation pills to get me through and now it is incredibly easy life, someone comes in with something hard or I don't/can't be bothered to find out ,I just refer to someone else, I rarely ever need to exert myself and the motivation of losing it all is enough to keep me above the standard of malpractice. Might just be me, but I have fuck all motivation to improve, but losing money/social status is plenty of motivation to stay where I am.