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>>19851326
whoa,... nice Cock !

precious metals aren't real you bell ends

>>19851347
thank you, it's large shiny and proud af

How much do you guys spend a month? What percentage of your investments should be PM's? Do you let family or friends know you stack?

>>19851528
I have spent 18k in the last month on precious metals in order to buy myself into a position I hadn't had before in an effort to diversify away from cash and cardboard collectibles. I have convinced my mother to buy silver and ny father to buy gold. I have told some of my best friends about the need to buy silver and the reasoning for doing so, but it's up to them if they believe me or not.

Guys is Monument Metals trustworthy? They seem to have the lowest prices most of the time.

>>19851584
Your a better man then I, I stopped trying to tell anyone about PMs cause I feel like it's one of those things I don't want anyone to know I have, other then my parents and a couple other close relatives I never talk to anyone about this stuff

Gold price very exciting right now.

>>19851659
ITS HAPPENING

Does anyone know what the bump limit for /biz/ is?
I thought it was 300, so that's when I've been making new threads, but the old thread still seems to be bumping back to page 1.
If the bump limit is higher than 300, I'll wait longer to make new threads...

>>19851659
o thats great news!

>>19851659
>gold&silver are mooning right at the opening
WTF NOOOOOOOOO
ITS NOT EXCITING AT ALL
I WANT A DIP NOT A MOON
IM WAITING SINCE 3 FUCKING MONTHS FOR A DIP
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>19851740
relax, premiums are already so high above spot that a $5 or $15 spot price increase won't really change premiums by much. in fact, even when spot tanked in march, it didn't have a major effect on premiums. the best time to buy PMs, is whenever you can afford to. i'm dead serious. waiting for dips is a waste of time, especially now. the cat's out of the bag. INFINITE QE to backstop all the bad debt that's out there, and no they don't give a single shit about helping consumer or student debt.

>>19851740
I never wait for dips, I just buy on exciting pumps like a fomo retard

>>19851717
310

>>19851792
>the best time to buy PMs, is whenever you can afford to.
that's my strategy

>>19851654
Like I said, it was just a few close friends. The problem I find myself having is what to do with the other 30k I have in cash, and to what degree I'll be able to cash out of the collectibles market. I want to do something crazy with it, but I have no idea what it could be.

>>19851528
>How much do you guys spend a month?
Depends on income, spot price + premiums, specials/sales, current events etc... highly individual circumstances dependent
>What percentage of your investments should be PM's?
Again, personal choice. Standard normie numbers are usually 5%-10%. Around here it's something like 35%-100% depending on how deep down the rabbit hole you've gone.
>Do you let family or friends know you stack?
Still definitely a personal choice. Some don't let anyone know, for a variety of reasons including:
- OP-SEC. If noone knows, they can't steal/report/tax/confiscate etc.
- Fear of ruining relationships. If it goes badly for any one of a number of possible reasons, they might blame you, rightly or wrongly. Many a family/friend/significant other relationship has been destroyed by $$$ issues.
- It's all so tiresome. After a while of trying to convince people of a need for action, and getting a reaction that ranges from the glazed-eye can't-understand or don't-want-to-think-about-it look, to the "you think about things too much anon, maybe you should just relax"... sometimes it's easier to just do you and let them keep on keepin' on.
- Cold hard self interest. Less people know about it now, the more it's possible to accumulate affordably now.
- Paranioa. You hoard PMs and research government/bank/illuminati shenanigans? Welcome to the watchlist, anon.

I've mentioned PMs and financial shenanigans by TPTB to a few family and friends who are receptive. I don't discuss my stacking specifically in detail with anyone.

>>19851614
Yes, have bought a lot from them. Never had any problems

Did someone from this threas dump 10oz of gold in the sxau unipooltoday? Fuckin cunt

>>19851922
what gold?

>>19851941
aight thanks

Just did my first "junk" silver purchase. 2.3 pounds of 80%, with maybe 10 90% coins, 450$ CAD

did I do good?

>>19851740
There were several dips though

>sold some old electronics for $290

Tell me what to buy with it. I have a nice stack but idk what to add to it. Decide for me.

>>19852085

get some asahi coins

>>19851855
Thanks fren

>>19852019
Bull shit, 36.8 ounces of silver at 80% is worth $517 US. You really trying to say you spent 330$ US for 517$ in silver?

>>19852019

sounds like larping. and the thumbnail doesn't help

>>19851872
i treat PMs like a savings account, not investment, not hedge, nothing. just a place to put money, if it goes down a few bucks, oh well, better than having it in the banks or paypal. spot price is fake & gay anyway so it doesn't even matter.

>>19852085
When you say nice stack, what are we talking?
- silver ozs, gold ozs, how many?
- coins/bars ratio?
- what country/region?
- what kind of other prep have you done already, eg food/water/water purification, guns/ammo, seeds/growing methods and materials, bug out bag(s), 1st aid and other useful items, barter items... will you be bugging out to another location or bugging in and sheltering in place? Or do you not think that there is even a small chance that things will get to that point and therefor aren't going to prep for anything past a 1 or 2 week hiccup?

It's a highly individual-circumstances-dependant decision, but this info will help with advice.

>>19852220
i should say:
*just a place to put fiat and hold value, because PMs are real money

>>19852220
PM’s are a pretty shit savings account considering your paying 5% in and 5% out.

>>19852140
yeah... I kept doing the math on it and thinking I must be missing something, but Im pretty sure I got a great deal. bretty happy with myself for scouring estate sales RN.

>>19852280
Either that person was extremely dense, you are lying, or you just bought a lot of silver plated fake junk.

>>19852246
>paying 5% in
Wait there are actually retards ITT paying sales tax for shiny rocks?

>>19852246
Can you name a better place to put your money for extremely long periods of time as a savings account which has zero risk of going to zero?

>>19852316
I’m talking about physcial premium and discount when purchase/selling, and yeah some people have to pay sales tax as well, it is the law. Not everyone has a black market silver dealer

>>19852190
LOL fuck I must have got a steal of a deal if people dont believe me, fucking stoked now.

>>19852331
>Black market
In my state there are legit legal sales tax exemptions. Actually many states do.

>>19852414
Thats great man, not the case for everybody in the world

>>19852403

that is well under the 2.3 pounds as you claimed. should be just under a pound there.

>>19852403
Thats like 20 ounces dude, ~90-100 silver quarters.

>>19851528
Nice A Mark's I like them I have 2 myself. I spend about $200/month. I live on fixed income from VA pension. I dont really have any investments, I just put some money into the metals every month to relieve some anxiety over the looming future financial situation. One day I may get into stocks or crypto but for now I just put a little into metals each month

>>19852466
fair point. Do you have capital gains tax. No state in US is exempt from the 28% CGT.

>>19852592

> cgt for something the gubmint knows nothing about

>>19852592
Yes over a certain threshold and depends on income level

>>19851740
same I should have got a huge amount of silver when I had the chance, at least I got some gold though

>>19852310

My guess is he either got confused converting from weight to silver weight, or from usd to cad, but he also could not have cared since he bought all of it when it was like 5$ an OZ.

I am also very charming and nice so maybe he just wanted to cut me a deal.

Doubt its fake, weight, diameter, thickness ect are all spot on for the Canadian half dollars.

A couple early 1900's and late 1800's ones I have to double check still but its all so worn that if it was plated it would have worn to the inside metal.

Any anons know what this coin is worth? seeing it on ebay for 25$

Gonna be crazy happy if there are rares in this collection I can sell for more then melt

>>19852485
I can taste the jealousy 2.3 ilbs

Today was a good day in stacking, almost as good as buying the march dip right before premiums caught up.

>>19852703
Junk silver they usually calculate with x Face Value not lbs. At least in the US

>>19852615
You always buy in person?

>>19852703
No one cares all too much, happy you got a decent deal, some people get super lucky sometimes, some dude on reddit bought 5 or so 5 pesos coins out of a world coin box for $5.

Is it advisable to stack only nazi silver coins instead of regular shit you would normally stack

>>19852816
You stack what you want to stack mein kammeraden

Just bought 5 gram gold

>>19852816
Nah, that kind of shit commands a collector's premium. Better off buying national silver to avoid taxes and buy in bulk.

>>19852548
those are canadian 1/2 dollars not constitutional silver 1/4's

Why is Schiff always wrong?

>>19852725
Shouldn't really matter, admittedly I am new to buying junk silver, but face value would actually be a less accurate measurement the by pure weight/silver % due to wear and slight differences in what 1$ of dimes vs 1$ in 1/4's gets you in silver content.

Some one school me as to why I am wrong, happy to learn

>silver jumped 25 cents today
bro

>>19851740
3 months ago silver was $14. Not that you could get any at that price, but what were you doing back then?

>>19853621
Wait for the bounce in the stock market, it will flux -.50 cents again

Anyone got any good real pics of those ASAHI rounds, do they look better or worse in real life? there really cool looking online but I havent seen any irl

>>19853730
Seconding this.
lm seriously debating rather l should get some Asahi round from JM.
l was planning to pick up a generic 10oz bar off SilverGoldBull but they're just so BORING.
what do?

>>19853121
He was right in 2008
He is still and always has been right about gold.
The only thing he has been not right yet about is the destruction of the dollar and inflation.

>>19853757
>>19853730
what you see is what you get, if you like them then buy them, i had 5 already, a bunch of 1 oz bars and a 10oz from asahi. for some reason with asahi there are always little gloss spots in the matte, little weird flows in the matte finish. dont really notice it but if you look close they could do better.

>>19853757
get the randoms, chepest PM's and its a suprise!

>>19853121
He's not wrong, he just seriously underestimated how long the bull run would last and how dragged out this financial collapse would be. It's curious why so many doomsdayers are wrong about the timing. I've seen videos from 2015 saying we're reaching the end of it, the recession is just around the corner. It is tiresome. And who knows, maybe they'll reflate all the bubbles and stave off the death of the dollar for another 15 years.

>>19853890
It's impossible to predict as the Fed keeps coming up with new ways to kick the can down the road. It's pretty insane if you think about it how many drastic measures that have never been tried before have been done in such a short period of time. Even more amazing that it's worked as well as it has for so long.

>>19853986
I am pretty sure the only reason its worked this long is because the general populations distracted with Covid / protests. If there wasnt anything else going on news wise, what the feds been doing would be front and center. It also doesn't help that most people are financially illiterate and have no real concept of money no longer being worth anything.

>>19853730
>>19853757
My vote is for the Asahi rounds. They're usually either cheaper, the same price, or a few pennies more than the randoms. Unless there's a price difference of more than a dollar per round, I would much rather have the Asahi rounds.
I'm actually planning on buying some of their American Reserve rounds, which while still affordable are going to be $.50-$1.00 more than the cyber rounds.
I just wouldn't want to end up with queen coins or the ugliest of owls just to save 20 cents per round. Price per ounce is important, but I don't want to hate the sight of my stack either.
Just my opinion though.

>>19853730
>>19853757
Bad picture but here. They look awesome.

>>19853659
I was stacking. I started 2 years ago, and DCA"d all along.
I've 700 oz with an average cost of 16/oz. I want to reach 1k oz but with my DCA not going up, so i chase the dips. Tbf, i've 5k rdy to spend to reach my goal, but at the current price it will be impossible, at best i can get like 240oz, and would be 60oz short compared to what i initially hoped for...
feelbadfren

>>19852592
>>19852615
>>19852620
Obligatory CGT post
>>19849133
>>19849237
>>19850103
tl;dr
- USA pays UP TO a max rate of 28% on all PM gains, regardless of gov't/non-gov't, ASE, face value etc
- can be less depending on amount, other income, tax bracket, separate capital losses etc
- it's only for what they know about... whether it gets reported is a guess see >>19850103
- bongs and euros CAN avoid CGT/VAT

DYOR as always frens

>>19854170
Awww, just for you, frogfren, I'll say a little prayer for a nice dip for you so you can complete your 1k <3

>>19854200
Thanks fren, and i bet everybody here would be happy if it happened, so i'll join your prayer.
We're all GMI frens

Where can I get a 1-2gram Argor-Heraeus Gold KineBar in Canada for a decent price?

>>19854278
Excellent choice, fren. I've been wanting a KineBar ever since I saw some posted in an anon's stack. I am focusing on silver right now, but I hope that when I have the money for some gold, that a 1oz KineBar will be available.
Will I get robbed on the premium? Probably.

>>19854104
>>19854071
ok thanks bros lm gonna order some tomorrow.

>>19854408
They are honestly the best looking rounds right now. And judging by how gay the 2021 ASE's look, I'll probably be only stacking cyber rounds for a while.

>>19854525
What's their width measurement across?
Might buy some air tight cases to go with them.

>>19851256
What's a good starter gold coin?
Something below an oz
I recently made it off AAVE and want to "try" holding gold.

>>19854643
I think 38mm?

>Asahi
Isnt that a Japanese beer? I thought Japan doesnt mint their own coins. Or do they? Only asian coins I see that are not old world are Bhutan and South Korea.

>>19854385
fug..how much did all that cost you? How do you make your money? Respect dude, thats my gold stack goal.

>>19854787
Yeah, pretty good beer too.

>>19854201
It would be convenient for both you and me if you summed everything into one ms paint image

>>19854201
also thanks for the information.

So the stock market is essentially a blood cult, right? Every increase in daily deaths pushes the green line up.

>>19854385
I don't dislike you, but why are you even here? Shouldn't you be out sailing on a yacht or something?

>>19854658
fuck off

My newest get, Willem de derde fug x-D

I’m about to buy gold/silver off perthmintbullion site as an Aussie, is this a good idea or are there better places to buy. I have to pay 17.5$ Per kg minimum for postage

>>19851256
Bright future you say?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2anWvbM0KY&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3mvirLtLc11cEUhq5B-jWWIKsk1wkAwUXBpeKJuPYqAtsZ2jGU2fiefxY

So we're is only 26 cents away from pre cauvet meltdown.

>>19856048
>Perth Mint
There's no silver and they only have shitty tiny minted gold bars left you dumb cunt.

Try again in 20 years.

>>19856048
What city are you in? There may be better dealers, dealing with Perth Mint directly is a pain and everything is tracked by the government there.

>>19856286
Bullshit there’s no silver, they literally have coins and bars of all sizes for sale

http://www.perthmintbullion.com/au/Buy-Silver-Coins.aspx

Anyone here stack platinum?

i just bought another tube. dump imminent

>>19851717
thread is locked at 325 replies
>>19854658
any 1/2oz gov, ducat, crown, franc, or sovereign, do not get memed into any other choice for fractionals

>>19856831
since platinum in most states has vat on it, stacking it becomes rather unenjoyable

>>19852331
https://digi-broker.com/?assetid=La7oaPL5gA8maMx4rRsjta6JKoZARGgg82Js7m#assets

>>19857288
i dont believe my state has vat on platinum.

Really important to have exposure to both gold and silver, or else you will get mad when one moons that you dont own. I want gold to dip a little, I get fiat in a few days, but it´s approaching 1800 now.

>>19854658
Sorry for the mean comment, I just can´t stand scam coins like AAVE. 1/2 oz kangaroo or other australian coins are nice.

>>19851792
>They don’t care about student debt
No one fucking should except for the faggots that took out these loans. You have to be a special fucking retard to borrow that much money and not have an exit strategy. Morons deserve the rope. Fuck students and their fucking loans, pay that shit off yourself you fucking nigger.

>>19851614
yeah theyre excellent. Really fast shipping and their return address is "Monument Machine Screws" or something lol

Asahi cyberrounds no longer on sale.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

i want to get into gold but it's so high right now. It's will go does when the economy picks up right? Right!?

My mining stocks are mooning

Anyone got any utah goldbacks? I'm well aware that you'll get screwed with premiums but they look interesting.

>>19851528
>How much do you guys spend a month?
Right now I try and snag 10oz of silver a month to keep building my stack.

>What percentage of your investments should be PM's?
Right now Im at 33%+ in PM, the rest is in cash as I do nto really trust anything to store value. Only reason I am not more in PMs is that I plan to buy a home in the next year and cannot risk my down payment to fluxes and premiums

>Do you let family or friends know you stack?
My family knows what is up. It is up to them to stack or not.

>>19860139
I fucking hope so

If gold hits 1800 soon things are gonna get fun!!

Also: my stack.

>>19852628
Coinfag here, I'll help you out anon:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces7216.html

Yours is 1867 M BN and judging by the photo about grade F-. A pretty common piece.
Grade is everything here
The vaules on this page are taken from actually sold pieces.

And you should also look for values within the sold items list ebay when evaluating values.

And pay attention to grades. Historical coins prices rise expontantially when in UNC condition.

>>19862541
thank you good sir

>>19860139
>he thinks gold is high 'now'

>>19851528
I'm a common warehouse wagie, so it depends on metal spot prices and whether or not overtime is offered. Generally, I buy a minimum of 5 oz of silver, a little platinum, gold, and palladium as well

>>19854385
damn... was a good time to be stacking if you bought those on the year they are dated.

FUGGGG why did I buy a car instead of 6 oz of gold for 3500

>>19863057
It isn't? gold price have never been this high

can you make colloidal silver out of a round?

>>19863364
ATH for gold was 1908,79$ on 5.09.2011.
Afaik if u look on the inflation gold should be around 2100$ compared to 1980 850$.
u should invest money in gold and/or silver which u do not need for several years.
U need cash for your daily needs, to live and for repairs.
U want to save money for your rent over years,decades? Go in gold now.
Fiat money will lose his value in the longterm.

>>19851614
Monument Metals is good to go, recently got some bars and coins no issues

>>19864019
You took her out of the plastic?!?!?

>>19864078
i got 4 and took 1 out of the plastic. i had to feel her without the condom

>>19863920
Sounds fair, already haven +100 oz silver and was looking to add some gold to my stack. Don't have rent, I do have a mortage though.

>>19854787
Owned by the same entity, Asahi Holdings. Asahi Refining North America is based out of Salt Lake City Utah, they have two mints in the USA and one in Toronto. I'm gonna get some of their American Reserve rounds, mined and minted in America.

https://www.americanreservebullion.com/

https://www.asahirefining.com/minted-products/

>>19854802
>>19855456
>>19863344
Not my stack frens, another anon posted the pic a while back.
I saved it so that I could find out what the holographic gold was. That was the pic that first got me interested in the KineBars.
Someday, my stack will be on that level.

>>19864381
I still wish Japan minted their own coins

>>19851614
Got my stuff pretty quick recently but didn’t order too much anyways

>>19854926
That's actually a good idea. The topic comes up repeatedly around here, and it would save a lot of linking and/or repetition.
I don't like taxes, I think it's an outrage, but there are common misconceptions about the way things are right now and I don't want PM frens to be misled.
I'll get on that when I have time.

>>19854942
YW, fren.

>>19857263
Thanks fren!

I wish there were more coins with mythology stuff

>>19865125
there are tons

>>19859109
>>19864019
>>19864903
Thanks guys

>>19864906
Yeah your information is very helpful. Everyone else says it's 28% no questions asked. You're the first to say otherwise that isn't full retard like "dURR American Eagles are exempt from CGT!!!!".

>>19863723
If you dissolve your silver into nitric acid it will make silver nitrate. The nitrate can be collected, and you can use certain substances called "reductants" and others called "surfactants" to make the colloidal silver. The reductant makes Ag(+1) in silver nitrate back into Ag(0), metallic silver, while the surfactant is what surrounds the small amounts of the metals being made into tiny particles called colloids or nanoparticles. Google how to make silver nanoparticles. I'm not sure which reductants are the most easily purchased by the general public and which are cheapest.

>>19851528
Normally I can afford maybe 6oz silver + 1/4oz gold every month, but with covid i'm saving a lot of money working from home, so i'm basically doubling up on everything. Going to keep buying until I reach around 20%.

>>19860719
They’re fun for collecting, I’ve got the 1, 5, and 10. wanting to get a 25 and 50 but they’re so expensive for what you’re getting.

>>19864217
based

>>19856831
>>19857288
the taxes in some states will be reduced temporarily because of corona, I will make use of that

>>19867254
Reduced taxes? Any source?

All I hear is that they are going to increase taxes to cover budget shortfalls.

>>19861177
Checked very nice anon. I am jelly

Scottsdale finally delivers! 40 business days or almost 60 Calendar days later... hang tight whoever is waiting on a pack

>>19857939
thats great

>>19867925
Sexy anon. I have a kilo as my largest bar and I can only imagine how great a 100oz feels.

>>19867925
My cock is bigger but doesnt weight 100oz

Nice bar

>>19867925
hmm i thought 100oz would be cheaper

>>19867928
>>19867968
>>19867980
cheers frens first 100z bar for me the heft is great

>>19851659
Why is it that whenever I personally look at the chart it is always going down. Even though it's higher than it was a month ago, it ALWAYS dropped from the daily high.

got my britannias in today, bought a tube of randoms. so happy they're 2015 and in great shape. although the pictures i took turned out kind of shitty...

>>19868625
>inb4 reptile bs
haters are gonna hate

Fuck it was a hot one today boys.

>>19852553
I too live off va. Obviously the Taliban was a better shot than me that day but I’ll take as much free from the gov as I can. Live a modest life. Have everything I need and my bills are paid a major portion goes to pm though

>>19868749

>>19868625
>>19868662
they look like they've been in a war zone. although to be fair I posted some shit pictures last night.

>>19868819
Huh. They removed the 3 stars under the eagle.

>>19868749
it's finally cooling down here, tomorrow high of 78, we must have sent our heat wave north lol
>>19868863
right, but they look brand new, just some machine scuffs on the queen

>>19869327
nice, that gold britannia takes much better pics

>>19869327
every time i take a photo of a coin in my hand i zoom in and see my fingerprints in fine detail. i usually delete the photo afterwards lol

Can someone give me a quick rundown on the best way to buy gold digitally? I don't want physical gold, I just want a share of it.

I've seen some people mention buying gold mining company ETFs, but it seems like they have more considerations like energy prices, prospecting, political instability, etc than just owning the bars does. Revolut seem to let you buy but the fees are hideous.

>>19869530
anon have you thought about just throwing away your money instead? but in all seriousness
buy some mining stocks if you don't want to own physical gold

>>19860176
Me as well fren, what stocks you got? I got Iam gold, hecla and AUMN

>>19869259
I love the chest, stack and bat bois, it was over 100 where I am, 78 is very nice though
>>19869327
very nice

>>19870288
ty sir
its nice we're back to frens + comfy instead of the hater-aid /pmg we've been drinking recently lol

Anyone have recommendations on a good book for an introduction on silver/gold smelting and smithing?

>>19870860
Books? No. I knew a guy that melted and molded his own silver bars (shapes) and he made a couple youtube videos if you're interested?

>>19870962
Sure, I'll check it out. Mostly interested in seeing small time back yard set ups

>>19870860
check out Mount Baker Mining and Metals on youtube. 911metalurgist.com also has a lot of handy info.

>>19871030
https://www.youtube.com/user/kernel1949/featured

>>19859907
god dammit you faggits stop buying all my rounds!

>>19871242
i just want someone to put the roo's on sale again. i only got 10 last time and i want another 15 and a perth mint tube...

>>19865468
probably just easier to buy colliodal isnt it?

R8

>>19871328
>queen coins
"No."

>>19871321
it can safely be made at home through simple electrolysis in distilled water.

>>19871328
very nice anon. a bit of everything.

>>19870461
I agree, but some anons gotta shit on others financial position for no reason, I'm fine with it but if you're gonna shit on someones stack at least post yours first otherwise. It's like /fit/ where if you shit on someones physique you gotta post body, that's my opinion on the matter
>>19871328
8/10 stack, I like the kangaroo coins, no to the queen however.

>>19871375
>>19871344
Mostly eagles. The 163 oz breakdown is:

30oz covid bars
11 oz libertads
7oz Kangaroo s
1 oz maple
114oz eagles
And of course 25FV of mercs and Washington Quarters for FWTDHW

Liberty gold mooooooned recently. I'm feeling great.

Time for Goldmining, get in while you can.

60oz silver stacklet here who plans to buy more. Any tips on what to get to store my metals?

>>19851922
Would rather die. How fucking stupid were people back then? There was no internet or tracking just put them in a shoebox in the basement and forget they exist

>>19869530
If you are a degenerate like me, you can get UGLD, which is a 3X leveraged ETF. It's extremely risky though for a number of reasons.

>>19872192

>>19872508
agrrrrhh matey!

i have 200 oz gold am i gunna make it? :3

>>19872447
Dude, thats retarded. That ETF gives you no ownership of physical gold in the terms. Also, you are losing money everyday due to beta decay. You aren’t stacking shit, your a degen gambler

>>19872519
"agrrrhh"???
sounds like you take it in the poop deck

>>19872557

pics?

>>19872579
He admitted to being a degenerate. I've been holding USLV since silver was $13 and I don't plan on selling anytime soon.

>>19872623
if your firzt thought is faggotey. then you have a homo problem. not my issue, yours

>>19872192
Capped PVC pipe buried in the woods

>>19872683
faggotry is my second thought, so maybe a half problem?

>>19872723
make sure to scatter shredded tin foil around randomly to obfuscate metal detectors.

>>19872192
hey anon, most of the time its not worth getting a safe for silver. things like a ammo cabinet or a wall safe are the best bets, usually small enough to easily conceal while it'll still take some big dude with a crowbar to rip it out/off the wall...
>>19872508
i personally like my pirate chest, but they are very low quality, i doubt they hold up a decade if you planned on burying it lol

>>19872860
How far down do metal detectors penetrate these days anyway?

Shill me some miners

I really wanna invest in crypto but if theres no chance at a good entry then I might aswell go for miners who still have lots of room to grow

>>19872891
the expensive ones (i am talking $5000+) can go down to a depth of 1.5 meters. They all suffer from "scatter" at depth though, the target is harder to pin point the deeper you go.
Scattering tin foil causes a fun little sensor fit for a detector, so it thinks its got one big target somewhere instead of dozens of little targets. Its an easy way to stop snipers snooping on your bedrock claims.

>>19872917
we don't really shill much here. but the archive should have numerous /pmgs where they go over good miners and jr miners stocks

>>19872900
>>19872917
Have a look at Skeena Resources, they just announced there putting 42 million dollars into their Eskay Creek Mine Project partnered with Barrick.

>>19873006
Could you link me to some kind of tutorial or more information about this subject?

>>19873139
about how metal detectors work or the other bit about the foil?

>>19873190
Either or both. I don't really know where to start with either one.

>he's not at least 50% in silver mining stocks
NGMI

>>19873322
metal detectors mostly work off a "coil" that sends a signal down into the soil and registers the differences of the return signal for anomalies. An anomaly is registered by a change in sound or change in a dial. All of them are basically the same, the more expensive you go though the better the search features will be. Detecting is a pain in the butt to learn, it takes hundreds of hours to learn your machines different tones when interacting with different metals, hot rocks, bedrock etc.
All detectors have the same issues. The search coil is only super accurate down to 3 inches from the coil, any deeper and the target can drift from the center of the coil and requires more work to find. Most detectors are useless in heavily mineralized areas, they cant deal with the various readings. Also they cant or should not be used in lightning storms, lighting sends out intense EMF interference that can destroy a detector.

>>19873475
Ah, I think I see. So if you scatter some tin foil around your site a few inches down, it'll confuse the shit out of any metal detector out there and make them unable to find your stash.

>>19873536
pretty much, its a very good way to make a metal detector shit its self. another great way is to just shoot bird shot or deer shot into an area randomly. You will get the same effect, but foil works better. I used to do it a lot on my fraser river claims because one shit head kid wouldnt stop sniping my ground without permission with his dads metal detector. Stopped him in his tracks, he couldnt get any clear signals after that.

If I'm looking for a generic 10x leveraged bet on gold/silver, does it make sense to just plunk down on SILJ and GDXJ and be done with it? Or do I have to gamble on individual junior stocks to get that kind of return (relative to just holding the underlying metal)

>>19865125
There's an entire Hercules set that provident sold a few years back. Very nice.

>>19873600
How much foil do you need? How much square footage do you need to cover? What size/shape should the foil be? Where should the foil patch be located relative to the stash?

>>19872723
>PVC+Silver
Don't do this.

>>19873664
you dont need a lot, a single role chewed up and scattered like confetti will do the trick. do it in a halo covering your hiding spot, add some nice soup cans or coke cans for added effect. Make it as discouraging for a detectorist as possible. Hell dump old nails, bits of copper wire anything metallic that will make the detectorist give up.

if you find tin foil buried in multiple places dig up the whole yard

Silver production is declining globally:
https://goldsilver.com/blog/update-new-silver-supply-is-drying-up-faster-than-death-valley/

>>19873763
hand full of roofing nails and little bits of barbed wire do the job too

>>19873763
too add to this, make the contaminated area as large as possible and bury the assets as deep as possible. Another way to fuck with a detectorist is to bury long lengths of thin copper wire along areas. the detector picks up part of the wire and reads it as one big target, causing your enemy to dig uselessly for hours.

Give me some good miners. I bought a bunch of Skeena

>>19873713
Should I put the ingots in plastic first?

>>19874053
We have discussed this a lot in previous threads, check the archives, there are loads of different choices.

>>19874076
you might have to make us a copy pasta with your fav miners just so we can easily post it lol.
>>19874058
yeah that's pretty safe, i think the plastic used on those holds up for 10 yrs before they start breaking down

>>19874218
I ll get on it for next thread.

>silver $34.30 aud/oz
>gold $2614 aud/oz
Would you buy an oz of gold or 50 oz of silver at these prices?

>>19874371
Honestly anon I’m a silver fag especially since it’s retardely undervalued

>>19874371
i feel ya anon, i'm about to say fuck it and start buying ASE's regardless of the price. but i feel like such a boomer for doing so lol.
heres my stack on paper, really tried to keep it at 20oz but fuck it...

>>19852331
>it's the law

>>19874371
Can you get fractional gold like Sovereigns or Austrian restrikes at a low premium?

>>19874675
eagles are where its at mane. just got 13 more in the mail. These are the only ones that will sell in the beginning

>>19874076
>>19874218
>>19874318
Thanks, ill look into archived threads for now

>>19874880
yeah i agree, i think when silver breaks $60oz ASE's will be one of the few coins holding value. and i think alot of generics will be selling below spot, and only if theres a buyer lined up

>>19874524
>>19874675
It's hard to swallow when most of my stack was bought at $26-28, think I'll just get the gold and get back to buying silver when normie fomo ins hopefully sell en masse

>>19874769
Everything sold by dealers in aus is marked up pretty consistently by fraction, also want my first gold purchase to be a full oz for the clout factor 2bh

>>19874371
considering all fiat is fake and gay that gets generated out of thin air, both are still a bargain at those AUD prices

>>19875020
well my prices are in USD, so i'm sure if you covert it over its not going to be pretty... and my god, thats like $28.80oz in AUD

Is there anyone other than APMEX who carry the 2020 South Korean waifu coins?

>>19874880
Why do you buy ASE's in amounts other than multiple of 20? Can you buy empty tubes to put yours in once you buy 20? I usually just save until I can afford a whole tube.

>>19875394
yeah most online dealers sell the tubes and even monster boxes.
i think its more about income and timeframe, you buy what ya can when they go on sale. i know i need to get another 15 roo's and a empty tube and that just adds to my cost per oz....

>>19865227
Happy to help, fren.

>>19865125

>>19875457
>Nike
shiet, we WUZ... oh wait where am i... sorry guys

>>19864754
Japan has some really aesthetic coins

>>19864754
>>19875507

>>19875394
I just buy whenever a good sale comes along on r/pmsforsale, dude had 13@ 21 so i bought 13@21

>>19864754
Also they do still mint their own coins, they're on the internet. You gotta search for 'em, but they're there.

>>19875544
>pmsforsale
Im too scared of getting scammed desu

>>19875584
i'm not touching reddit or ebay with 10ft pole. even knowing paypal would have my back

>>19875582
Where can I find modern Japanese Silver coins, not ones from decades ago? They dont mint their own like Canada, USA, Australia, etc.

>>19875611
>>19875422
>>19875000
>>19872888
2 dubs and 2 trips, i'm on fire tonight

>>19875584
well when youve got an account with feedback you can request they send the coins first, then you verify and release payment

>>19875507
>>19875523
KINO

>>19875672
Not bad but you have to buy blind to get your feedback. I will maybe buy some cheap coins to farm feedback before I think about big orders. Some of the prices I see are nice though to be honest.

>>19875507
>>19875523
Why did Japan stop making coins? I looked these coins up, they all seem to be 60% silver with 30% copper and 10% zinc

>>19875625
Ones from the 50s and 60s will often end up in the melt bins of coin shops and can be pretty cheap. I'm not sure where to get anything newer than that.

>>19875625
It's difficult. I spent a lot of time using google-fu, searching images and stuff. Yahoo auctions Japan has a lot of good stuff, but mostly in Japanese. You can translate, haven't tried to actually but though.
I'll see if I can retrace my steps, in the meantime here's some reference sites to start your search:

https://japansilvercoin.com/
https://www.mint.go.jp/eng/coin-eng/eng_data_commemorative_index.html

>>19875780
*actually buy

>>19875719
Same reason the rest of the world stopped making silver coins; the price of silver became too high. The last issue of Silver coins in Japan was in 1966.

>>19875808

>>19875780
>https://japansilvercoin.com/
Interesting place. Thanks

I'm not a faggot who """invests""" in precious metals (i diversify my savings in the stock market like an adult) but i do enjoy collecting coins

what are some aesthetic silver coins? dont care how much they cost

2 oz max

>>19875719
>>19875830
Maybe the legal tender coins stopped then, but I've found a lot of more-recent-than-1966 commemorative/art/cultural coins from Japan in pure silver and 24k gold.

>>19872633
its at my wifes house

>>19854385
That picture makes me jealous as fuck.

>>19875889
hows your wifes son doing anon....
lol

>>19872447
Honestly retarded. It's not even gambling it's just losing.

I want to sell all my batbois and buy eagles instead. These coins are a meme and they all came with scuffs and scratches from 3 different dealers online. Monument, JMB, and BGASC. I bought 10 of these in total in individual capsules. Buddy bout a tube of 10 from JMB and they were fucked too. One has a brown spot.

Will these things actually be worth something in the future? I will keep my frosted version from the US Mint at least.

>>19876084
worth something? not really, they'll hold their value which is actually saying something though

>>19876084
Yeah it's a bit of a joke. I got a good number as well for the meme value & most of them were dinged and scuffed up to various degrees as well.

>>19875882
Canadian Voyageur Dollar
Proof Silver Eagles
Archangel Michael
Maria Theresa Thaler
Mexican Libertad

>>19876084
>Will these things actually be worth something in the future?
I hope so.

>I will keep my frosted version from the US Mint at least.
I remember when I first got these and posted them some dick head would chime in right on cue and say "I prefer the shiny ones".
Every time I posted them.

>>19876156
frosted are always better, that guys was a just a no frosty coin shitter

>>19876156
>>19876178
i dunno the price difference isn't worth it. now if they were the same price i think i'd have half and half....

>>19876200
I agree with this man

Next pm up leg begins very soon I’m willing to bet.
Gold 2k silver 25 before August

>>19876339
is everyone even back to work yet? i was thinking there hasn't been enough time for the Kung Flu to shut everything down

>>19876357
I never stopped working...

>>19876357
I think the second wave will coincide with the final stage of this bust so that the blame can be completely shifted away from the system. We are not in second wave yet, cases are rising but that is to be expected. I promise no leaders ending lockdowns expected cases to start dropping, plus testing is easily accessible now. I think we will have a final and violent run up in nearly all markets within the next two months before a massive leg down. PMs will be hit hard as with everything else. Oil likely back to $10 gold closer too $1k the S&P easily down 50%. During this time the fed will have nearly unlimited power to try and keep markets afloat till the bottom is found. Think the feds balance sheet increasing by 3x minimum. This will cause inflation but people are jumping the gun a bit. Inflation will take years to set in. I think for most of the 2020s we will have time to accumulate PMs. 2020s will be all about commodities and countries getting their energy and manufacturing as close to home as possible.

Current stack is just a few silver dollars from childhood coin collecting days, but I want to build a nice moderate stack. Will have about $200/mo to dollar cost average. The markup on gram bars seems pretty extreme. What’s the best option for purchasing that amount on a monthly basis?

>>19876495
so anon i don't know how much you've been paying attention to china and their 3 gorge dam(?)
but its likely to kill millions with all the flooding going on, which people are thinking will lead to famine. i think we're in for a full blown world recession when you combine the famine + corona reducing productivity, then add our stock bubble popping.
i fear this will cause all the US dollars we've been printing and sending abroad to come home, resulting in years of inflation that we avoided by exporting it.

>>19876541
Just buy 10 oz of silver a month. I prefer eagles but generic and 10 oz bars will be cheaper per ounce

>>19876541
most online places will have free shipping over 100, so i would just say buy the best sale every month

>>19876591
Why silver and not gold?

>>19876645
Silver moons 5x harder than gold once gold moons

>>19876645
this>>19876681

>>19876681
Silver eagles are marked up nearly seven dollars over spot price, that’s like 40% you’ve got to make up and I would expect to get a discounted price when selling

>>19876851
Am I missing something on how this is a reasonable investment?

>>19876867
its supply and demand. people want ASE's and people aren't selling their ASEs
reasonable short term? maybe
long term. for sure

>>19876681
Any guarantee that silver will moon? Why wouldn't it stick with the same ratio it has now?

>>19877105
gold already mooned in value. so it might double at this point but silver will easily triple

>>19877252
Gold always moves first in a risk scenario. What is the reason why silver won't stay at the same ratio in the future? Why will the ratio go lower instead of staying 100:1 or larger?

>>19876965
Is this just corona/riot fear putting a premium on eagles or is there always that much of a markup at retail.

>>19877359
before this ASE's went at 3 dollars above spot. but premiums are a thing of the future, expect the comex price and the physical price to vary greatly going forward

>>19877420
Comex?

>>19877473
>COMEX is the primary futures and options market for trading metals such as gold, silver, copper, and aluminum. Formerly known as the Commodity Exchange Inc., COMEX merged with the New York Mercantile Exchange (NYMEX) in 1994 and became the division responsible for metals trading.

>>19877359
Don't FOMO into eagles, if normies are ever forced to realize the true value of silver youll be able to trade a silver buffalo to them the same way you can trade an eagle, and if the US dollar stops being the reserve currency of the world at any point in the future then eagles wont be any better then any other government backed coins. of course this is all just my opinion I'm sure plenty of others disagree with me, and as far as the eagle thing that doesn't really apply to selling to a dealer or a website for cash in the future, but the way I see it especially with the premiums now selling a buffalo for spot or an eagle for spot +$2 is pretty much the same when you consider what you pay for each

>>19877105
fucking lurk more you shithead, ppl here have to answer this question 20 times a day because of fuckers of your kind.

>>19876495
>PMs will be hit hard as with everything else.
Just as last time, only ETFs will tank, but the premiums for physical will rise almost instantly. But this time around it will be way worse, because refiners and mints are alrdy sold off/preorders maxed out up to november. while LCS keep selling on a just-in-time basis. The out of stocks are arlrdy coming back, and i'm still waiting for my bars' orders from march personally.

Reality is gold and silver will be impossible to find next time, and the greedy sellers selling stuff they don't own yet will be forced to cancel orders en masse.
I dont hold my breath for a good dip this time around, tho i really wish for it, imho it will trigger the real moon mission for silver.
Not only that, but once the stock market crash again, norime/institutional money have literally nowhere to go but metals, and i alrdy see PMs getting more and more visibility on a daily.

Imagine what an army of afraid normies cashing out their robinhood account for PMs + hedge funds with their back against the wall will do to the price of shiny rocks. We could see a x50 for silver happening in no time.

>>19877664
With such a rude response, then how about this? Silver will NEVER moon. The Economic systems of the world will NEVER go back to a PM backed standard. You will all lose the opportunity to make money with stocks and other investments, and in the end when you try to sell your PMs you'll be taken for spot price or less due to your desperation. You'll NEVER get the satisfaction of being smarter than 99% of humanity, and you'll kick yourself for ever trying to bet on Silver when Gold will always be the only thing people care about. How about that?

>Jesus...all I asked was a simple question...

>>19877737
Great, then fuck off out of here if there isn't any money to be made, go back on RH buying TSLA for $1k+ a share.

>>19877737
don't get goaded into mud slinging
>>19877758
Why be a cock, not like you have to answer

> retards getting mad on a Mongolian basket weaving board

>>19877737
>Jesus...all I asked was a simple question...
You have to understand this question is very long to answer because their are so many factors to take into account. And having it asked about 10 times every single day is getting on our nerves, we spend half the time just explaining the basics over and over, it's getting annoying.

>>19877315
Several reasons:
> panic
> silver is extremely undervalued right now compared to literally everything else
> decreasing silver production
> decreasing silver supply
> extreme paper silver manipulation
> possible US.gov shenanigans with some kind of new currency or something

>>19877790
Not him, but make a better pastebin to point noobs to if you’re sick of answering the same questions

>>19877758
So you don't have an answer? You can't give me a reason why silver should diminish the ratio with gold? Then you're lost. Silver is a fucking meme. Gold is the future, as it has been the past. Silver is only there for people who can't afford gold..it's that simple, and it's so pathetic that no one can admit

JP morgan and Buffet buying up silver? You know why they're doing it? BECAUSE THEY'RE BUYING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF IT! Transferring that into gold at an opportune moment will make them millions. Having 10k (which is realistically what many can afford) will never allow you the power or benefits you're tricking yourselves into believing you'll have when (for some unknown reason) the US dollar miraculously disappears and China and Russia start a gold standard (which also miraculously the EU and the US allow).

Don't you see that it's all bullshit and that the only people who profit from this are the ones selling it to you and storing it for you?

>>19877784
I just wanted to find out what reason there was that silver would moon. So far I've seen no evidence, and I've been lurking for a while now. No one can predict it, I accept that. But there is NO reason that it would change the current ratio, or at least, no one has given me factual data that could support it. Silver mooning is becoming 'wishful thinking', and while I'd like to think otherwise, there's nothing to tell me why. I want to know why.

>>19877790
Well, sorry Anon. I'm not the one asking a thousand times a day. I agree the situation economically is extraordinarily complex, and the prices of gold and silver are reliant on a number of interrelated factors that we can't predict. The problem I have is that there's nothing to suggest that the USD will collapse, that silver will ever be regarded higher than gold, that we can accurately assess how much silver is being mined at the moment, etc. If there's no certainty that silver will moon, then there's a problem here.

>>19877848
You want answer? Fine, then screencap this :
- the gold:silver mining ratio is 1:8, while currently priced at 1:100
- yet silver have way more mining spots worldwide, since for 70%+ it's a byproduct of copper/zinc/others metals mining
- silver is a vital component in : military, electronics, medicine, green energy, batteries, communications,..
- it's on the EU critical ressources list of 14 strategic elements with extremely limited availibility but vital for industrial uses
- it's estimated you have 5 times more availible gold in investment form than silver, making it potentially way rarer
- 70% of the yearly produced silver is destroyed, because of printed circuit boards (cellphones, laptop, sattelites, radars,..) while 98% of the gold is recycled
- silver is the most manipulated asset on the markets, with 175 paper oz sold traded on the comex for each 1 oz existing
- you have to mine 12.5 tonnes of dirt to find 1 gram of silver
- in 2005, you had to process 9.4 millions tonnes of ore to extract 123M oz out of it, in 2019 it was 23.2M tonnes to extract the same amount, showing how scarce silver is getting worldwide
- from 2014 to 2019, the silver production decreased by 100M oz
- it's the most reflective metal and the most electricity conductive one
- Production is concentrated in few countries : Mexico, Peru, China, Poland. China alrdy refuse to export their silver (their gold too)-
- silver have unique properties as it is used as an anti bacterial/fungal/algae, and is vital for water purification and filtration systems
- silver is one of the few metals you can use for nano technologies and as superconductor
- samsung recently announced they'll will use silver in their next generation SSL batteries, and tesla/ford/hyundai/toyota alrdy signed huge contracts for it
- all over the world you have countries forcing new homes to be equipped with solar panels, which require silver to function (about 2/3rd of an oz per panel)
from top of my head, happy?

>>19877848
At the end of the day it comes down to supply and rarity, gold and silver have historically had value due to limited supply, work taken to dig up, and then some cultural backing as well. Assuming these 3 factors, once silvers physical price decouples from the suppressed 'paper' spot price (Already seeing this, you can't buy silver for close to spot right now), the price of silver will naturally move back closer to 10:1 as is its above ground ratio. The only argument for this large discrepancy to remain is there being no economic or societal turmoil causing the physical and paper prices to decouple, which I hope you realise isn't likely. Even with corona you saw the PHYSICAL ratio go from 110:1 to 80:1 within a month

>>19878126
I appreciate the effort Anon, it's a lot to compile. But it still doesn't explain why the ratio will lower.

There are Anons here who show their hopes that the current ratio of >100:1 to gold will drop and then they can convert their silver to gold at a more favorable rate. What evidence is there that this will happen? The historical lower ratio doesn't at all inform us that it will ever return to this ratio.

The desirability and properties of silver as you catalogued is well known and not in denial, but once again we reach a point of uncertainty because the actual amount of silver mined annually is unknown due to the factors that it's extracted along with other precious metals, it's hoarded culturally off the books (like in India) and therefore the predictions about how much is desired and how much is available is not confirmed.

There's a lot of silver, there are lots of silver mines (though apparently they're not being mined because it's not economically feasible to do so).

Here's what would make me happy:

1) Give me direct cause as to why the silver to gold ratio will drop to historical lows.

2) Give me direct evidence as to the stupidity of everyone except JP Morgan and Buffet in terms of buying up and storing silver as opposed to gold. It is astonishing and unbelievable that only JPM, B, and /biz/ are cognoscent of this worldwide conspiracy and no one else is. Are the Rothchilds in on it too? The Clintons? You'd expect they would be, as well as Deutche Bank and others corrupt organizations.

>>19878157
I agree historically; but the problem is that the entire world is economically different than it was historically, and the incentives to keep it fiat as opposed to PM backed are enormous and insurmountable (and thus it'll STAY fiat). Further, you make the jump like everyone else is:

>once silver physical price decouples...the price of silver will naturally move back closer to 10:1

cont.

>>19878126
Oh, and i forgot the most important one :
- it's the most underpriced asset in the fucking world. How many commodities do you know are cheaper now than what they used to be in the 80's? Even just accounting for a yearly 5-6% inflation rate it should currently be waaay north of $100. Only price suppression by the banksters allow it to stay cheap, which make silver the opportunity of a lifetime. Banks involved in the comex have to waste literally trillions of USD just to keep pressuring down silver's price. And you, as a little nobody, can profit from this war waged against precious metals, you simply have to stack physical while the manipulation is still -barely- holding.

>>19872203
Thats what people did, the guys with literal pallets of gold bars got screwed though.

>>19878157
cont.
Silver will not decouple from fiat because that's how people buy it. Further, again there is a problem in terms of cause and effect. What precisely causes silver to 'naturally' move back to 10:1? Why wouldn't it stay precisely where it is, or even go further down the shitter (i.e. 150:1)? The above-ground ratio only works if the people who set the price know how much is being mined and used, and this is not known for sure for the reasons I stated above (i.e. it's not the only metal that comes out of the mining operations it isn't known how much is preserved in familial hordes and trading). The physical changed during Corona and it absolutely went down in March....then it came up again after when people went back to their more 'normal' investment lives. Which is the point: investors and billionaires make their money with investments, not PMs, so in a period of uncertainty the demand for PMs will increase (hence the ratio change) but then it'll decrease once the world looks like it's going back to normal (which it is now and thus the economic power goes back to investments out of PMs).

What am I missing?

>>19878219
It's cheaper because we don't need it as much as we used to and it's available. Remember, before the 80's silver was still used in coin circulation, and moving away from the gold standard would significantly affect how much silver was needed. Then photography changed as well, and went digital, so silver wasn't needed for film either. That's actually a HUGE decrease in the need for it.

>and you, as a little nobody, can profit from this
No, I can't. No one profits unless they are the ones owning the banks and being paid the interest they charge from others. Don't you get it? Everytime you buy PMs you pay a premium, everytime you sell you sell for less you paid for, every time you store PMs you pay monthly or annual fees, etc. You can't win.

>the people who have power are the ones who don't have to pay anyone else.

>>19878205
>uncertainty because the actual amount of silver mined annually is unknown
that's totally wrong tho, 950M oz for 2019.

>What evidence is there that this will happen?
basic maths, at the current extraction rate, silver will be totally gone in like 2 decades. If it's come down to rarity, then silver will have to moon. It's currently at 1:100 just because there is way more paper silver traded comparatively to paper gold.

>and how much is available is not confirmed
It is, silver is mostly a metal you only find at the surface or close to it. All big silver spots are alrdy knowns and none will magically appear.

>hough apparently they're not being mined because it's not economically feasible to do so
and it never occured to you to try to understand WHY ? classic offer and demand doesnt exist with silver, it's pure manipulation by the markets. Reality is mining 1oz of silver cost $15(+) in average, so every time the spot fixing went below this, mines were losing money.

>Are the Rothchilds in on it too? The Clintons? You'd expect they would be, as well as Deutche Bank and others corrupt organizations.
I know for sure Rothschild and DB are, idk for Clintons. And normies aren't aware because they are simply retarded and prefer to spend their money on retarded shit. Good for them, stay away from my shiny rocks.

>and the incentives to keep it fiat as opposed to PM backed are enormous and insurmountable
lol no, every single fiat in history of mankind crashed and was eventually replaced with sound money once inflation kicks in, then the cycle repeated, over and over. Study history of money.
Also you'll see how fiat become worthless the day war kicks in : only payments in silver and gold are accepted between governments then, it's true since forever.

>>19851932
>Paranioa. You hoard PMs and research government/bank/illuminati shenanigans? Welcome to the watchlist, anon.
this. buying pms on a regular basis makes you appear ob the fren list (and you'll stay there). i wonder when they'll start the confiscations. i know they are listening and reading. they constantly mess around with my dsl-connection. buying precious metals will be a ticket to the coof camps in 2020.

>>19878427
Remember Anon, you traded it or sold it for cash.

>>19878301
>before the 80's silver was still used in coin circulation
And it was way cheaper... I said 80's, not 60's, so no excuses, silver coins were alrdy out of production since a long while. Also they stopped using it in coins for a reason, right? It was getting too rare, and you couldn't inflate the monetary supply as needed by the gubment using a precious metal with limited supply, that's it.

>That's actually a HUGE decrease in the need for it.
Yeah sure, photos were using more silver than all the electronics today...lmao.. Stop with your bullshit, just look at the graphs of industrial silver consumption year by year instead of trying to find retarded guess in the dark.

>>19851932
based and let-NPCs-burn-in-their-beloved-hell-pithole-while-you-prepare-generational-wealth-pilled

>>19878403
Rick Rule disagrees with you regarding the known amount of silver mined. Check any of his recent interviews, including :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55z7J1V4BTU

>silver will be gone in 2 decades
The said the same about oil. Little did they know that not only do we keep finding deposits, but our use for oil is changing. The same will happen with silver.

>it's pure manipulation by the markets
I can accept that as a possibility, but it might be necessary to keep silver mines operating. There is no demand for silver except through industry, and even then it's changing. The demand by individuals is either by apocalypse savers or the occasional gift coin, and the rumours about JPM haven't been substantiated yet (though their price manipulation has definitely been proven beyond doubt).

>normies aren't aware
Obviously; most normies don't have savings (and that's a very sad statistical fact that they're all living paycheck to paycheck...)

Regarding the history of money; I have studied it a little bit, but none of it takes into account that we're in the first period of human history where all currencies are fiat. We've never had this before, so there is no way of predicting what will happen based on historical precedent. Fiat is worthless, but that's how the people in power want it to be, and they're not going to let it collapse and they certainly won't let it be replaced by something they have less control over. That's stupid strategically for them.

>>19878458
They stopped it to go on the oil standard and to use fiat currency as a means to better control populations, finance wars, and keep people from starving in 'democratic' nations. C'mon, be real.

Consider this: you're positing that
1) silver is rare
2) it's expensive to mine and extract

Why would any company that relies on this material not be currently looking for a way to circumvent this? Bullshit.

>>19876495
i have an oil call for november. should i sell it now and take $35 profit or should i gamble and hope to win $200?

>>19878205
>>19878301
>or even go further down the shitter
The spot price can't go lower than we've seen the last few years, when silver hit recent lows mines were shutting down due to lack of profit, big business and government (who are the ones suppressing the price) need to keep mines open due to silver being important in many areas tech and infrastructure as >>19878126 outlined. This is speaking short term
>Silver will not decouple from fiat because that's how people buy it
The value of silver for many people is in that they don't believe THIS fiat system can sustain itself for much longer, myself included (inflation,global debt. It's been a few years since I delved into the topic to outline to you eloquently why). Once it does collapse there will a period where your dollars will be worth nothing, bringing gold and silver back to the forefront in this time of complete uncertainty before a new system is established, you won't be trading your metals for money you will be trading them for goods and services, even if this ratio doesn't drop (it will, without kike suppression) you will want silver for smaller purchases.

>>19877664
>Imagine what an army of afraid normies cashing out their robinhood account for PMs
The normies will go to crypto before PMs. It has been shilled so much to them unlike PMs. It will probably be a battle between crypto and PMs in the end with either some kind of merge or one being the victor.

>>19878520
Idk how you can seriously compare silver with oil. On one hand, the supposed scarcity of oil is used by the oil cartels to pump up the price, using fear with fake news from shilling partisans, using bullcrap theories like "peak oil", while every geologist know oil is the second most common shit on this planet, right after water.
Meanwhile silver's price is constantly suppressed, to a point miners aren't even profitable. There are big lobbyists out there, financed by big industrials to keep silver low, the exact opposite is true with oil. Silver market is super tiny, it's 50 billions USD. Apple could buy out all the silver produced if they wanted to. But reality is they can't, or more precisely they aren't allowed to, because there are stronger forces out looming in the dark not allowing this kind of cornering to occur. Keeping PMs low is the only way for central banks to make believe fiat is the only option left, and that inflation isn't "that" bad..

If there is only one FUD i find credible, it's this one : the war waged by the central banks/jews against PMs to protect the talmudic fiat scam. And it's for sure a very powerful entity limiting down the moon potential. Everything else is easily demonstrably wrong.

>>19878628
I dont see metals could ever lose to crypto. The world needs metal, not a digital shitcoin you cant hold that can disappear anytime with 100000 other shitcoins competing against it.

>>19878628
I agree that (((crypto))) have been force fed to the normans on a daily, and it will surely have an impact. But look at how BTC price fluctuations is strongly correlated to finance 1.0 now. Every single time stonks are dipping, BTC, and the cohort of 780790972 others shitcoins are following the exact same trend, but crash even harder.
If Timmy the Normie exist stonks because he got JUSTed by -40%, i doubt he will rush to put the few he have left in something who just crashed by -50%. Eventually the "buy the dip" meme, which is historically totally counterintuitive and nonsensical, but on the recent clown timeline, will have to die.
Yet, normans being normans, a bunch of them will lose everything for sure.
But most of them will keep it in cash at first, and once they can't ignore inflation anymore/see physical silver&gold soar, they will FOMO in.
They have no other choice anyway :
>life insurance : worst of all
>bonds : ZIRP or NIRP
>equities : dead
>stonks : megabubble
>real estate : megabubble
>cash : inflated to oblivion

>>19878695
>>19878785
I agree, I think after all markets fail crypto will suck up the last of the normies currency before the inevitable exit scam. My only fear is that after the collapse the new currency will be some kind of fed coin were no purchase is anonymous. I feel like the phase we are currently in is just to get normies used to digital currency before its forced onto us.

>>19878456
i doubt they'll let me off the hook. my hope is my stack is too small to justify the efforts. and i'd rather give it to them instead of rotting in a cell sourrounded by violent entities.

>>19878831
100% sure, all this shit we are currently experiencing have been engineered to put in place the NWO shitcoin.
Remind me of this thread, where OP wasn't a faggot for once :
>>19853084
with the WEF constantly mind programming us for a "Great Reset" coming soon, which "is inevitable and vital for the human race".

>>19878854
At one point you must stop to coward away fren, and fight for what is yours. There are fate way worse than death. Personally, they will have to trample over my dead body if they want my shiny rocks.

>>19878854
Anon, if each stacker kills one cop per gold raid they'll run out of cops before they get everyone's stack.

>>19878899
not sure if this was posted in that thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MKvVcQuD4E