/biz/ - Business & Finance

Why do you want to do engineering?

Because it pays well

>>192172
dont do it. No pussy, no social life, be old when you have your dregree, no money.

>>192172
Not that engineering doesn't pay well, but if your primary drive is earning potential you'd be better off in the finance sector.

>>192184
Alright, you got me. I do enjoy the idea of engineering. I want to be part of the high tech future that's always developing. A few fields that appeal to me is chemical, robotic, petroleum.

>>192188
What do you want us to do? Spoonfeed you information you could find out yourself?
It's a simple matter of spending a bit of time reading about whatever field you're interested in.

>>192179
but it's a 4 year degree

I wanna go into CS, but because every nigger and their extended family is doing CS, I don't think job prospects will be plentiful. Any other degrees in the tech sector worth checking out?

>>192257
engineering degrees will help but for anything else you're going to have to do grad school

Should I major in statistics and minor in finance or major in finance and minor in statistics?

>>192162

If your only slightly above average intelligence, engineering might not be the best career. I'd say you need an IQ of at least 120 to be a successful engineer.

I'm looking at purdue university, anyone have any experience there? Also graduating with a 3.65 and AP chem, AP bio, AP stats, AP calc and honors physics for science related courses

>>192162

>Engineering
>Only knows precalc going into college

>>192473
honestly hate my gpa though, I fucking slacked freshman and sophomore year :/

>>192473
Also specifically looking to major in nuclear engineering, atoms are awesome as fuck

>>192462
this is a silly thing to say

>Engineering
>Because it pays well
>Only knows pre-calc

You are in for a world of pain and suffering.

>>192501
not in college yet but bitches I talk to say if you don't take AP calc and other science courses, then you're going to change your major very quickly haha

>>192476
>>192501
Only having pre-calc isn't a big problem. They teach you calc in the program usually, though it's one of those weedout classes cause they can really fuck with people.

>>192462
Intelligence really has nothing to do with it, bro. I've met some really smart people in undergrad who never made the cut because they didn't work at it.

>>192162
It depends on what you want to do.

>all these niggers recommending finance over engineering

Unless you have good networking skills, and I mean REALLY good, any business degree will be worth nothing. The plus side of eng is that, although it's not guaranteed, the likelihood of you landing a decently paying starting job is high, and job security is something that's going to become rare in the near future.

Now, yes, the pay doesn't have the potential to be as high as a job a finance degree can land you, but that is only true if you get into one of the lesser eng programs like chem or mech. Although it's a long shot, if you can somehow make it through a top national school with an EE degree with a high gpa, you will certainly make more than any accountant or actuary or what have you ever will. But that seems unlikely for someone of your calibre.

>>192257
CS is a major that opens up a number of different career opportunities, as it can be applied to a wide range of tech jobs. And just because "every nigger is doing it" does mean they're all good at it; I'm a CS grad, trust me when I say %70 of the people I graduated with have no idea what they're doing.
There may be a lot of people trying to get degrees in CS, but there is a serious short fall of competent people in the tech industry.

>>192462
You're obviously not an engineer / haven't been in an engineering major or school, or you would know the astounding amount of stupid people that manage to obtain engineering degrees and get jobs

I haven't finished highschool yet and I know calculus.
What the fuck do you Ameriburgers do in school?

>>192473
Is purdue a good school? I got in with a 2.9 gpa so i presumed not

>>192477

I only started caring in the summer between junior and senior year, went from average tier shit classes to all AP's and taking classes at an ivy league college through their high school program

Graduating with a 3.1 high school GPA, going to a shit tier college

I wasn't mature enough ;_;

>>192631
>purdue
>WANTS TO GO TO SCHOOL WITH CHICKENS

>>192162

I'm an engineer. It is a good hobby, but a shit career. I'd advise finding another path where you can work 40 a week. Engineers are generally salaried and work 60+ hours a week.

If you do the math on time invested engineers actually make less money than what their annual salary is.

>>192631
Are you from Indiana? It has one of the top engineering programs in the country, like #7 I think

>>192631
Indianafag here, purdue is great. I got admitted on a terrible transfer report after I bombed college straight out of high school and took a few years off. Ended up going to IUPUI instead of Layfayette because I didn't want to move, but the diploma is exactly the same.

>>192658
Don't forget the insane turnover since the "hot career" is engineering these days. Just like law in the 90s and computer science in the 00s, there's a thousand graduates a day so if you're a hair less than perfect you can and are replaced within minutes.

I wonder what the next hot major will be.

>>192524

I went to an engineering school where the average student was in the top 10 or 15% of their high school, average HS GPA around 3.7.

Now consider that many engineering schools curve to a 2.5 or so, some a bit lower, some a bit higher. 80-90% of the people there are going to work hard. If you're not smarter than average, you're fucked. Most of your competition is well above average intelligence.

Anyway OP, if you're not that smart but you really want to do it, go to a bad/less competitive school. Think top 100 (or worse), most anyone gets in with a 3.0 HS GPA. Personally, I think you'll get fucked by the curve at a good school. Maybe if you put in 12 hour days 6 days a week, you'll beat the curve and end up in the 2.85-3.15 range. At my school, a 3.25 in engineering put you on the Dean's list, and was roughly top 20%.

So yeah, if you're ready to spend 10 hours a week on calculus homework and studying, 5-8 hours to study for each exam (starting a few days in advance), 80 hours the week before finals and 12+ hour days during finals week, you can make it (at a good school). If you're smart enough. I did Mechanical Engineering, that's not even the hardest one. If you just want that engineer label, do Industrial or Civil. Industrial might as well be a business major, everyone gets high grades (3.0 and up), fucks around, might take 3 or 4 real engineering courses.

>>192801

I've been laid off several times in engineering, especially in R&D. Once the project is complete and enters the maintenance part of the lifecycle we're no longer needed and tossed away like trash.

Do you need a degree in engineering to be hired as an engineer?
Say I got a PhD in physics, for example.

>>192814
A friend of mine works HR for an engineering firm. She, as standard practice, fires 10-20% of the workforce every year and hires new graduates. This is just a standard thing that everyone knows about and anticipates. Most of the firings are the new hires from last year; she's culling the engineering population looking for perfection because there's so fucking many engineering diplomas being printed that she can afford to do that.

>>192819
fuck

>>192819

It's OK. I've been designing a new business architecture in my spare time based around engineering that eliminates HR with respect to hiring. They are one of the largest sources of inefficiency that exists in a company and perform no better than random at finding and keeping talent.

Engineers will win the battle against business majors and HR. It's only a matter of time.

>>192188
>petroleum
>not just in it for the money

Go back to bed, kid.

>>192818
You might qualify for engineering masters at your college or other colleges, have a look, ring up any major universities youd like to study your Msc at and ask them.

>>192843
Going into engineering in 2014 is like going into law in 1994. The talking heads got hold of it back in the late 2000s and started blathering that engineering is the future, all the jobs are engineering, engineering = money, all that shit exactly like they did with law in the 90s, CS in the 2000s, and business in the 80s. And, just like those two, now the job market is absurdly saturated from every dipshit who can hold a calculator getting engineering degrees and for every job opening there's 9001 applicants.

OP, if you really love engineering, don't be afraid of going into it, passion and dedication shine over the assholes, but if you're going into eng for the money, the money isn't there. You've been lied to. Go to trade school, spend 1/25th of the money and 1/8th of the time, and get a job straight out of graduation because everyone and their dog needs HVAC or garage door or electrical work and always will.

>>192818

You can get a job at Quiznos as a sandwich engineer.

>>192875

God damn I love the products that the sandwich engineers at quiznos make.

>>192875
You actually need a BS in Structural Engineering and 3-5 years of sandwich engineering experience for that one.

Is a math degree safe? Is there any oversaturation?

>>192905
as long as you are ok only starting at a 300k salary

>>192873
But atoms bruh bruh, they're awesome. Sometimes I daydream about putting a container of uranium fuel rods into the reactor and smile about that zero carbon emissions :)

>>192253

It's a bachelor's degree. That's a four year degree for most non engineering degrees. Engineering is like minimum of 5.

>>192915

How much does the school I went to matter as a math major?

>>192901

So they don't have to also have a PMP cert and Lean Six Sigma Black Belt cert?

Standards in this country are just going to shit.

>>192647
It's not my top choice but maybe i should reconsider
>>192750
No I'm from ny I have some decent standardized test scores but i got deferred from Georgia tech (i predict it'll be a rejection the spic card only holds so much weight)
>>192775
Glad you enjoyed it and that things worked out for you. Thanks for your input

Thanks everyone I will look further into it I appreciate the input

>>192919

As much as in any major. That is to say, potentially a lot, potentially nothing. Depends on the industry and the employer.

>>192924

Grad school is necessary for math right? So that'll matter more than where I went for undergrad?

Sorry for so many questions, my school's guidance department is shit tier

>>192932
if you want to make 300k in math you will require a phd

>>192938
>300k
STARTING

ONLY PLEBS STAY LOW ON THE PAYSCALE

>>192863
What exactly do you mean that I might "qualify?"
Doesn't anyone straight out of HS also "qualify" to study for a masters?

>>192907
>one extra year
>old

>>192932

Math undergrad could be enough for finance jobs, but for anything else, yes, you'd need grad school.

>>192501

Actual math classes aren't what he needs to worry about.

It's classes like Dynamics that break people

>>192953
They qualify for bachelors.
You could skip that.

Between Alfred University, SUNY Fredonia, and Rowan University, which one is the best?

Could I work my ass of in college and transfer to a better school in a year, but still keep my financial aid?

>>192162
>International travel is a major plus! I'll have about 10 grand in cash to pay for much of my education up front
Take the 10G to travel the world while you're debt free post-highschool pre-college. You're much less likely to be a dumbass fuck up in college after spending a year or so on your own beforehand.

>I enjoy and math, but only know up to pre calc
Don't worry, most Engineers place into Calc I in freshman year anyway. There is always community college over the summer to knock Calc/precalc out if it's really stopping you from taking courses in your freshman year.

>Which engineering degree should I get?
EE, CpE, and ChE are always good
ME and CvE tend to be flooded but also have a lot of openings
Stay away from Environmental Engineering, Biomedical Engineering, and any kind of Applied Science/Physics/Engineering or Engineering Physics program.

>>192819
I've heard this is mostly true of MechE/Aerospace. Unless you really suck, companies consider EEs/CompE an investment and want you to stay around for a while so they can get back their time spent training you. But this also makes getting them to invest in you as a new grad pretty difficult.

>>192907
>Engineering is like minimum of 5
Who the fuck takes 5yr to finish a degree?

What social science bachelors offers the best opportunities to make money?
hard mode: private sector

>>193157
>What social science bachelors offers the best opportunities to make money?

>>193157
None. Don't go into a social science unless you're prepared to end up teaching social science

>>193157
>social science
>money

lel

>>192907
>Engineering is like minimum of 5.

No. 5 years is somewhat common due to random shit that happens but if you're going for engineering only and plan well, it's a 4 year degree.

>>192586
>trust me when I say %70 of the people I graduated with have no idea what they're doing.
>There may be a lot of people trying to get degrees in CS, but there is a serious short fall of competent people in the tech industry.

I would say it's closer to 97% of CS majors have no clue what they're doing. Since the degree tells you little of whether you know your shit or not, I would say your far better off not spending $80K to put "CS BS" on your resume especially since it's much easier to learn on your own than other majors.

>>192623
>What the fuck do you Ameriburgers do in school?
Sex, alcohol, wild stunts, parties, drugs....

Education is what university is for.

Some reasons why people often take longer than 4 years in engineering:

1) Many are in co-op programs which have work terms during the normal school year
2) Many drop or fail courses early on because they;re not prepared for the workload and take them later
3) It's difficult to do a minor when you have so many classes, let alone a second degree
4) Schedule makes part-time work/full-time study more difficult than in other fields

There tends to be a rapid enrollment drop-off after/in the first year (less so in later years). Critically, when compared to other degrees, very few people drop IN thanks to the insane prereq requirements after the first year.

>>192623

How much calc though?

Almost everyone college bound at my high school took basic calc

>>192162
Just don't do EE, it's 2-3 math classes away from a math major

>>192476
i just got accepted as a transfer to a top 20 math program and i didn't know basic algebra when i started college

>>192623
american education is a joke especially math education

career politcking general

I'm sick of all the threads about getting internships and landing your first job out of college. Fuck that; let's talk about moving around once you're graduated and have already landed your first position.

Sorry, kiddies, this isn't an internship thread. This is for the people who are already working (if there are any on this board).

What's the best way to move up in your opinion, /biz/?

Everyone talks about getting into the bulge brackets out of college. What about several years into your career at a middle-market broker-dealer?

How conducive to career advancement is moving firms when you are already in the bulge bracket?

Should headhunters be paid attention to?


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>>193650
bullshit im EE and still look at the math department like a lunatic asylum

>>193665
I need to learn pre-calc and calculus for some coursework soon. What resources did you use to study?

>>192242
so you don't know anything, then.

Im currently at a transfer school (cc), the two options I have for transferring are A) Sauder B) Beedie.
Im going to apply for both but I really hate both. Sauder is filled with pretentious and entitled students, while Beedie is far as fuck and will probably have the same general ego. I hate living in BC.

If I graduate with a mechanical engineering degree and mathematics minor can I teach high school math without taking additional classes?

Im in my senior year and losing motivation to actually work as an engineer and I think I would be more happy and comparatively more adept as a teacher.

Is it even worth it to go to community college for your AS and then transfer, or should I just get the gen eds out of the way asap and transfer out?

>>192623

My senior year of HS I took wood shop, metal shop, art, athletics, and a computer class that was bascially learning how to use photoshop.

>>194610
u are getting ur gen eds out of the way with an associates degree. your first year can be all courses that have nothing to do with your desired degree.

>>194610

Be very careful with this. Some programs will have lots of prerequisites. Meaning you have to take certain classes in order and you cant take them at the same time. And to make matters worse they will only offer these classes one semester a year. It will create a situation where having all your basics done just means you can only take 12 hours a semester and you are no closer to graduating than a freshman coming out of high school.

>>194608

plz respond

>>194679
Most states require a teaching certificate.

>>194716

I can deal with that if its online and you can do it really fast.

>>194732
Yeah, not so much. In most states its done as part of a bachelors or masters depending on state reqs. I don't know for sure but I think its less "really fast" and more 1-2 years including a semester student teaching. There are also "alternative teaching certificates" where you start work while getting the certificate, but in order to participate you typically have to work in the worst school districts (think inner city detroit)

>>194856

Oh wow 1-2 years is not acceptable. Fuck that. Better let some bitch who took 90% education classes and only completed up to cal2 educate the future generations.

>>194866
People who only took up to calc2 are not probably teaching math in high school.

>>194934
fuck I make $25.43

>>194934

Oh yes they are. You would be very surprised.

>>193041
HAHAH....

Go fredonia then transfer to cornell and maybe you have a chance.

SUNY's are pleb-tier.

>>194866
Do Teach For America program.

Is studying Defence and Security a bad idea?

I've recently started studying it, but I'd like to spend a good 20 or so years in the military as an officer. Then head to the private sector in management/executive positions, yay/nay?

it seems so risky though, as the entire thing centres on government work.

waitlisted from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute today. I haven't been rejected from any school yet just waitlested from 3

>>195029
If you join the military with a bachelor's degree, you automatically start as an officer.

That shit ain't fair, but that's the way it goes.

>>192861
Just because it pays well doesn't mean there aren't people that enjoy the job.

Going to college was the biggest mistake I ever made. All I can say is if you hated high school do not go to college-- contrary to what people say it is no different except you have to waste your time and your money. Get a job and have a chance to be independent and then consider college (but not a state college).

The old EUROPEAN Engineering degree was 5 years, it was equivalent to the American Masters degree.
But with the new system the American bachelors takes 4 years and the European 3.
(Europeans have 1 year longer basic schooling)

>>195053
I got accepted, really wasn't expecting it. Maybe they have lower standards for math majors than engineering.

Their yield isn't too high so there's still a good chance you can make it

>>195406

Nobody enjoys it. There are lots of autistic geologists that don't care about money though.

>>195497

Man I loved high school and hated college. I need the structure and I don't do well with strangers unlike the people I went to school with K through 12.

>>193650

Bullshit. I only had to take seven math classes.

>>192253
It's never a four year degree. It usually takes most people a minimum of five years to get a bachelor's

>>197291

Geologists are the most bro-tier of the the STEMS.

Far better then the stunted autists that go into pure math or applied engineering.

>>192476
I'm in mechanical engineering and I came to college only knowing pre calc. It works out fine. I'm going into differential equations next semester.

>>192623
American public high school is essentially daycare. You don't really learn useful stuff until college. The exception being some AP classes which are just college classes.

I have an associates in business administration. Transfering over to a 4 year uni to get a bachelors in business admin or finance. What are the differences between both degrees? The school counselors havent been able to help me at all with explaining this so I'm lost.

>>193093
>You're much less likely to be a dumbass fuck up in college after spending a year or so on your own beforehand.
Holy crap, that makes so much sense. I wish I could've done that.

>>193388
2 and 4 were the problems I had. ME major here.

>>197331

Geologists have a reputation for being socially awkward autists AMONG the engineers that are awkward themselves. They are the weirdest. Also, the engineers usually end up running oil companies and not geologists despite their expertise being arguably more valuable.

>>197331
>>197879

PetrE here, geologist get shit on all the time by the engineers. They're a joke in our department.

social / political sciences from top UK universities worth it?

one course gets me fluency in 2 european languages (2yrs abroad), others i stay in the uk. how important do you think languages are for a graduate?

What does a degree in economics pair well with? My appeal in the topic doesn't matter , but what synergy is in high demand.

>>193388

In my program it was around 70% of the people who started didnt obtain their degree. Scared the shit out of me to hear that as a freshman. But I didn't realize how many people with no business being engineers would go into it.

Also be prepared to have a shitty time in college if you study engineering, OP. You're not going to get any pussy, you won't go to Cancun for Spring Break, and your classes will give you panic attacks multiple times throughout the semester.

Don't make any engineering major friends your first two years, they'll probably drop out and you'll never hear from them again.

>>197349
in business admin you'll take basic finance, basic acct, mktg, etc and you'll learn how to boss people around -- you'll end up graduating without having learned anything remotely useful in the real world

I would do finance or acct, just because you learn a valuable skill that will be helpful no matter what you decide to do after graduating

>>193157
>hard mode: private sector

Cheat code: Go get a government job because you wont get hired in the private sector with a social science degree.

Can I make decent money with a bachelors in accounting or do I have to waste more time going for a masters/CPA?

1. Shit college for free
2. Top quality state school for 20k/year
3. Ivy or elite private school for 60k/year

I intend to be a poli sci major. What so I choose?

>>192543
>lesser eng programs like chem or mech

You realize chem engineering has one of the highest starting salaries for engineering right?

>>197326
if you're retarded and fail out of classes or take 12 credit semesters

>>195060
1. You dont automatically start as an office. You have to apply to OCS. You can still enlist normally

2. Since the economy took a shit in 2008, loads of college grads have been trying to join the military for something to pay the bills. Of course since they are college grads they want to become officers. This has made becoming an officer for the air force and navy extremely competitive. Marines will still pretty much take anybody willing to sign up.

>>193157
>hard mode: private sector
bachelors only: hopeless
masters: therapist for rich people

>>198445

Most engineering majors are 128 credits. Average student can do 15 credits a semester in a lib major. In engineering, 16 (which really ends up being 15 or 18 most of the time). Also note, labs that waste 3-4 hours a week only count as 1 credit.

I don't know anyone who finished engineering in 4 years, and my school is top 25 overall/top 25 in engineering. Most took 9-10 semesters of classes, and a lot took a semester off for a co-op. Also, most of them didn't work part-time jobs on top of school. So if someone's working part-time and doing engineering.. yeah, pretty much impossible to finish in 4 years.

>>198468
*This is all re: real engineering majors (computer, electrical, chemical, mechanical). Industrial and Civil are pleb-tier and not nearly as hard.

>>198497

My college has environmental engineering. The plebest of the plebs

>>198468
>what are summer and winter classes

Friend of mine is studying Engineering in germany. Well, from all of my friend and people I know, he is the one who don't have much free-time. He is going to class everyday form morning 'til 5pm and is spending another 4-6 hours for rework. Also seminars.
And he told me, he and a lot of others are struggling with certain classes.
Like, math (which is, to international comparison more difficult than in most foreign countries) and engineering mechanics.

It's not rare to see some exams here with a average fail-rate of 80-90% of a class.

I'd think it over and visit some classes before and talk to a few people who are doing it.

>>198417

Ivy and the Skull & Bones

I'm looking at accounting and finance. What specific skill or trade am I taught in finance? Accounting is required for a CPA, whereas stuff like entrepreneurship, management or marketing can be self-taught. Is a finance degree REQUIRED for anything, something equivalent to a CPA or a bar exam? I don't want necessarily to be taught general skills.

Also, would it be worth the time to take an extra year in school and double major in both? My college is paid for by my company, so tuition is not an issue.

>>198891
>stuff like entrepreneurship, management or marketing
None of that is part of the finance major, are you retarded?

>engineering

why do people think this is /biz/ related? got o /b/ or /adv/ for this

man, after reading some of these replies, i am no back to square one.

I was thinking of doing some sort of film major because I love film and would like to be a director one day, but I "smartend" up and switched to CS, but I keep lying to myself that i can find a job and make a decent living and do film as a hobby, but that's not the truth. I don't love CS like I love film. It seems you must be the best of the best to get a good job with CS degree. I don't love CS that much to push myself to that limit. Now, i don't know what to do...

My existence feels so meaningless right now...

>>192818
You could do engineering but you need a licensed engineer to sign off on any projects.

>>198891
if you study acct, you can do finance but not the other way around. I would pursue a MAcc instead to prepare for your CPA

You can get a CFA with finance, i think

>>197937
>you'll end up graduating without having learned anything remotely useful in the real world

how? I worked in an office and pretty much everything I learned in business admin was stuff that I was doing (accounts payable/receivable, updating the database/website, interacting with clients, etc) and I only did a 1 year certificate

>>198911
I never claimed that. Actually read the post.

>>198853
expensive?

not covered by scholarships?

dense?

you don't want to pack a semester's worth of rumination on upper level courses into a month. i took calc 2 over the summer and it was much easier that way, but i'd never want to take electricity+magnetism over the summer.

>>198951
This.

The real money in engineering isn't the degree. It's the Professional Engineer designation that you get after 4 years of work and a couple more tests.

>be 18 years old
>intelligent
>currently looking forward to 12 more years of schooling to become a doctor (which I am fairly certain will not be difficult)
>medicine not as prosperous as it used to be
>into science, but more into money
>starting to have second thoughts about doctoring

I have no doubt I'd get into the higher specialties, derm or plastics or neuro if I felt like it, but I don't know if I'd really be happy with myself not taking any risks in life.

>have half brother
>~20 years older than me
>tells dad he has really good idea
>drops out of high school
>gets a job at [fast food restaurant]
>dad like wtf are you doing
>fast forward 10 years he owns over 30 franchises of [fast food restaurant]

I'm capable. I have an idea, not like my brothers but of similar potential. I don't know if I should take the risk though. Wasted time is wasted time, and if I put my years in on the paved path I'll come out okay. I'm just scared to deviate.

>>199039
>looking forward to 12 more years of schooling

why? you won't start making decent money until you're in your thirties and you'll have a big ass debt to pay off

>>199051
With some certainty I'm going to inherit at least 1m in the next 12 years. If I don't within that time then the money will go directly towards my education.

Having money is not the issue for me, making money is.

What's the job market for metallurgical engineering like? It's definitely the specialization that interests me the most, but I don't want to put in all that work only to find I've pigeonholed myself into something there isn't any demand for.

>>198468
>labs that waste 3-4 hours a week only count as 1 credit
What the fuck, there is prob more labs than that.
I'm an EE and have 12 hours of labs a week,

>>199039
> interventional cardiologist
> Make 400k to look at ECG and do simple procedures

And I think medicine will be even more prestigious. If we can make more stuff happen with gene therapy and stem cells/regeneration In the next 20 years there will be whole new specialties and markets which you could spread into/make a business

>>199051
People can make 6 figs in residency if you work all day/night and if you have one of those specialtys debt literally doesnt matter. You could pay it off in two years

>>199039
I was in your boat, dude. I was even premed for two semesters because I thought being a doctor was a safe career path. It was something I liked, something that wasn't difficult for me, it made decent money, and its a secure job.

But it really is a LOT once you start studying. And it's not worth it if looking at it from a cost-benefit point of view.

If you want a stable job and that kind of money, there are many fields of business that provide that while at the same time requiring 1/3 the time spent in school and probably 1/2 the effort. Especially when looking to apply to post-graduate education programs, the effort needed to get grades to get into a *decent* medical school here in the states is about the same amount of effort that it would take an undergraduate business student to get a great job upon graduation at a firm that will send you to a top 5 MBA program after 2-3 years experience.

Once you have an MBA from a top 5 pgoram, your starting salary will be around $160k at the minimum and it will usually be close to half a million after 10 years. If you're in banking, hedge funds, private equity , etc. then after 10 years its not uncommon to be making several million per year.

>>199624
My roommate thinks hes going to be a doctor while getting Ds in his physical science courses. He's delusional.

I asked him why he wants to be a doctor and he's like "i don't know, it's a safe job with good money". The first thing they try to teach you freshman year is that being a medical student isn't for everyone and that if you don't put everything you have into it, then you're not gunna make it.

My roommate is not gunna make it. You don't get into good medical schools in the states with a GPA around a 3.0

>>199272
Small like all of Material Science&Engineering but there aren't that many majors entering in to the field to balance it out.

>>199039
just go into biomed and work for bigpharma.
make bank, and invest in your own biomed company

>>198417
only do it unless you want to be in politics or academics.

i wish my parents had slapped me and said fuck your dreams and passions you gotta do something practical (bonus marks if you can combine everything)

>>198355
my gf makes about 45000 CAD out of the gate doing accruals at an energy company.

and yes, the most effective way to get further in accounting is by getting dem designations.

word of warning. accounting is not what most people think it is. it doesn't really rely on math but rather putting puzzles together and/or having a mind like a catalog so you can remember a vast amount of rules and laws.

i did a bit in uni and i liked it. but definitely look further into it before jumping in.

go to youtube and look up a university level financial accounting 101 tutorial and managerial accounting 101 tutorial

>>193157
Economics maybe?

might it have something to do with the fact that 50 years ago 5x more men got college degrees than women? more men are qualified for the job than women.

>>198417
Shit college.

Don't waste money on a poli sci major you stupid fucking bitch.

>>198945
Existentialism bro.

Also I'm going to echo another reply and say work a trade job. If you can handle being a man, learn a trade and start getting paid fast.

Then, with your solid wages, buy yourself a very nice camera and make film your film the best damn hobby it could be. Buy books about film, engulf yourself with film, etc.

But pick a trade you think you may like too. Godspeed.

petroleum engineering
financial engineering