/biz/ - Business & Finance

Does anyone here invest in land?

I kinda wanna diversify into a plot(s) of land at some point.

Glorious tomboys

i want a gilf bj

>>19566744
does it count if i reply to this one?

where to find an athletic tomboy gf with small waist and nice skin

ew tomboy?

why wouldnt you just want a regular girl?

tomboys look like boys

thats disgusting you weird lesbian op

>>19566710
first for spy 7/10 $350c

If AMD moons next week I'll give myself a handjob

>>19566741
No. Seems like too much of a hassle. Easier to trade things online. I want property though, for myself.

>Anime OP
based and cozy weekend thread. I hate the immigrants that show up during weekdays.

>>19566763
>this guy
the cozy level is dropping. I'm very glad we generally post at different times.

I dunno what happens anymore. Can't get a feel for things lately. I see rebound stocks taking the lead, might have already happened and burned through, then eventually tech just exploding.

The key points I'm looking for is more about inflation in stocks. So I'm short the dollar, long equities.

>>19566755
I don't know if there will be a crash, I am just wondering why would it keep going up if they stop printing? If its going up because they are printing, doesn't that imply it will stop going up when they stop printing?

>>19566741
Land on it's own is worthless unless you know it can be developed to some purpose. Otherwise you're just paying taxes on it forever.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE ENOUGH SO THAT I DONT HAVE TO WAGESLAVE AND MAYBE BUY A NICE CAR AND A SMALL COMFY HOUSE

>>19566795
imagine paying taxes on land because the jews thought they owned gods dirt he put here for humans

>>19566793
>I don't know if there will be a crash, I am just wondering why would it keep going up if they stop printing?
TINA
Corporate profits flatlined starting in 2018. Now they are even worse. The best ROI for even publicly traded companies is to buyback shares as much as their debt load will allow.

>>19566664
CS's reasoning
>We see MU as well-positioned to benefit from LT trends that the current COVID crisis continues to codify/accelerate– WFH, SFH, On-Line Everything, Data Analysis, 5G, AI/ML, and Accelerating Compute TAM. MU currently trades at 5.8x NTM EV/EBITDA, below its 4 trough average of ~6.7x – note that F2Q was the 13th consecutive Q of +FCF w/ cross cycle GM/EBITDA/ROIC of +40%/+50%/20% – clearly indicative of a structural improving model. We reiterate our Outperform rating and $90 PT (~2.5x P/B FTM – top quartile average) – we see downside at 1.2x book, or ~$39, implying $4 of upside for every $1 of downside – the best Risk/Reward in Semis.
>we see downside at 1.2x book, or ~$39, implying $4 of upside for every $1 of downside – the best Risk/Reward in Semis.
>Why We Are Secular Memory Bulls...
>Cyclical dynamics have a way of accentuating secular trends at peaks and obfuscating them at troughs. Given that it now appears we are approaching the latter, we thought it might be helpful to outline why we have been secular bulls on memory since 2015. Our discussion will be heavily text-based – but throughout the report we have charts which illustrate several key themes.
>Any bullish thesis in memory needs a solid Supply foundation – While managements enjoy discussing demand drivers – the next new thing, content growth, buzz words – it has been our experience that any bullish view on memory needs to be grounded in supply. Supply is more tangible and analyzable, especially because demand is always strongest when it’s being significantly overstated – i.e., customers are building inventory.
>Relative to supply, the secular thesis is fairly straightforward as scaling has become more difficult, each successive node transition is leading to fewer incremental bits per wafer and a flattening cost curve. This has continued to be the case in DRAM as cost-downs have declined from what was ~25% per year to what we now see as ~8% per year.

>>19566678
>all im saying is be aware of your context you live in
>when you say something like "yes i earn 100k a year" you got to realize youre like far far better position than anybody

I am very aware, that’s why I like to constantly rub it in people’s faces. Get bent commie, this is a capitalist thread.

>>19566816
But theres also no reason for it to go up. Does that mean we will just be flat until something happens?

>>19566793
1. Because everybody the fed bought out will want to buy back in due to the fact they are Funds and thus have performance metrics to keep up with

1a. Bonds yield nearly nothing right now

2. Stimulus money injected in the economy will manifest in inflation

3. Stimulus money from other countries will manifest in higher nominal earnings for multinational companies

>>19566829
What state do you live in?

>>19566829
Agreed, just started making 126k/yr and I love rubbing it in. I save every dime I can too, to rub in that I retired young and they were wrong all along. stupid consoomers

>>19566788
If you feel like you don't know what's going on anymore, you should read the seething of "professional" or "veteran" traders on twitter and elsewhere. Friday was a huge shot to their pride. Most robinhooders did better on that day alone than some of those pseuds could hope to do in a couple years.

>>19566710
>Tomboy gf
absolutely patrician taste

>>19566835
Corporate bond still pay good rates, and supposedly with the money they got from the fed, they can now pay them off. It seems likely that Companies will have to sell back their stock to continue paying for their bonds once the printers are turned off.

>>19566829
>>19566843
you shouldnt rub it in because thats bad for karma i guess

personally i get a little ticked off if someone is on 4chan talking about their 100k

dont do things u wouldnt want other to do to you

hombre.

>>19566664
>>19566821
>Bit/wafer growth is once again slowing: In NAND, flattening cost curves dominated the transition from 2D to 32L 3D as bits/wafer remained the same, however, there was a significant re-acceleration from 32L to 64L as incremental bits per wafer doubled – a significant driver of the oversupply in NAND in 2018/2019. Importantly, now that the industry is transitioning to 9xL and for each successive generation – incremental bit growth/wafer is once again declining – 32L to 64L was 100% increase, 64L to 9xL will be 50%, 9xL to 12xL will be 33% etc. This is an extremely important dynamic which we continue to believe the market has not fully grasped or appreciated.
>Moore’s Law also increases bit capacity: While a flattening cost curve might be viewed as negative for profitability/margins, we would remind investors that in Semis, the same mechanism that lowers costs also increases capacity. Starting in the late 1990s thru 2015 when Moore’s Law was accelerating, 300 mm fabs were becoming more productive, cycle times were declining and cost curves were steepening. Any benefits from lower cost were more than lost to accelerating supply growth and corresponding negative impact to ASPs. We see flattening cost curves as indicative of more rational/constrained supply and fundamentally better thru cycle pricing.
>Demand elasticity won’t drive supply growth: The best concern/retort to our thesis is the impact that better pricing might have on LT bit growth – i.e., price elasticity has been a key driver of memory content growth and when memory pricing increases OEMs are likely to respond by de-spec’ing as they have done before in the PC and handset markets. While we have sympathy for ...

>>19566840
Texas, in a town of less than 40,000 people. I bought a 2,300sf 4 bedroom house in 2017 for $150,000. I’m not the anon that makes $170k/year though. I’m the one that makes $100k/yr but still is great in a low COL area

>>19566846
They need a Robinhood ETF that’s comprised of the top 10 most held stocks

>>19566846
Oh yeah. I'm up 1150% so far in 2020

>>19566664
>>19566821
>>19566862
>... While we have sympathy for this concern (especially for NAND which we view as more elastic), we would make several counter-points:
>1) DRAM is more inelastic than elastic, especially in the cloud. The primary function of DRAM is to keep a processor fed – when processors are mostly contained in PCs, tablets, handsets where applications are “good enough” and utilization are low – i.e., processors are not eating often. DRAM content has a low ceiling; however, when you move processing power to the cloud, hyperscalers’ primary economic driver is utilization – the more highly they can utilize the datacenter, the more profitable they will be. High utilization means processors want to eat all the time – increasing DRAM becomes a point of leverage at any price.
>2) We have yet to see the impact of AI/ML workloads on DRAM demand – these workloads are extremely memory/DRAM intensive. There is no cognition without memory. The DGX2, NVDA’s ML server – has a maximum configuration of 1.5 TB of DRAM versus the average server of just 50 MB – while the DGX2 has ~1/2 the processing power of the human brain (btw the DGX2 needs 3200 watts, the brain 32 watts – ie biology is still multiple orders of magnitude more efficient), the human brain still has been 100-300x the memory capacity of the DGX2. Most all of the private start-ups in semis are focused on solving the memory wall.
>3) NAND is clearly driven by elasticity and a longer-term flattening of the cost curve likely put downward pressure on LT NAND demand assumptions of 30-40% -- however, we see a significant upgrade cycle coming in handsets in 2H20/2021 – as 5G phones become more readily available. Data would suggest that consumers are delaying their upgrades and that the installed base of handsets is 12-18 months older than it was just a few years ago. Even without a killer app we see 5G as a catalyst for consumer to upgrade.

>>19566763
Go away, disgusting corean trash.

>>19566741
George Gammon has some things to say about using certain types of land as a long volatility investment.
Trailer parks, rural with good water, island RE ect.

>>19566848
Only the best, /smg/ is a gentlemen's thread after all.

>>19566859
People bragging about making more money than me gives me an incentive to better myself though, not cry about my hurt feelings.

>>19566883
theres other things that you dont have either

what if someone was more handsome than you

do you want them saying haha u loser u look ugly faggot piece of shit

and stomps ur head in

nope u wouldnt

theres things you cant have

>>19566710
me want mai chan + gpro GF

>>19566876
>>19566664
>>19566821
>>19566862
>Supply/Demand Outlook
>DRAM Moderates Thru CY19, NAND Balanced in C2H19: DRAM entered 2019 oversupplied, with ~7% excess supply, moderated to ~4% in C2Q, and we expect demand growth to continue outpacing supply in 3Q19 as sufficiency decreases to ~3%, and finally reach equilibrium by the end of the year. While we expect CY19 DRAM bit supply growth of ~17%, we think this could actually go lower against constrained capex budgets –we would note that lower supply positively influence our S/D view that suggests moderation in C2H with a more balanced S/D environment in C1H20.
>Relative to NAND, we would note that the industry has largely been over-supplied since early CY18 – with a pick-up in C1H19 against weaker end-demand, with C1Q19/C2Q19 excess capacity of ~7%/~4%. However, we would note that CapEx cuts began in early CY18 and along with continued CapEx cuts and idling capacity, we see supply trends moderating and allowing with S/D to reach parity as we exit CY19 – this will occur against our view of CY19 supply of ~30% below what most companies argue is the LT NAND bit demand target of 35- 40%, i.e., exiting CY19, industry supply will be below industry demand.
>Supply Growth Exiting CY19 Near Lowest Levels Since 2009: We would highlight that against our expectations for further CapEx cuts and lower utilization, we see: (1) DRAM bit supply growth of 18% y/y in C2Q20, and (2) NAND bit supply growth of 23% y/y in C2Q20, down from peak of 57% y/y in C3Q18 – and both are near the lowest levels since the financial crisis.

>>19566898
Even if they’re better looking than me, they wouldn’t call me ugly. I’m at least a 7.5/10, which is probably why I’m successful in life. Try again, commie

>>19566900
*BlowPro

>>19566788
I'm in the same boat. I've chosen to buy basic materials and commodities and stay long on those for a while. otherwise cash for the very short term.

>>19566816
>starting in 2018
weren't they leveling off around 2016?

>>19566831
>theres also no reason for it to go up
didn't you read? buybacks (at highs too). The prices will likely go up until it looks like the debt cant be obtained or serviced for growth stocks. Ones that pay divvies will be a bit flatter. If FED doesn't have any more ammo to keep pushing buyers out of bonds, it might get really ugly. end of Q3 and start of Q4 will be a madhouse in one place or another, regardless of what happens now. Obligations need to get paid somehow.

>>19566854
>Corporate bond still pay good rates
based. thank you for saying this.
>Companies will have to sell back their stock to continue paying for their bonds once the printers are turned off.
evidence? I think Warner Music is ok circumstantial evidence.

>>19566883
this meme doesn't believe in competition. make of that what you will.

>>19566904
should we buy unironically buy ram? 2016 and 2017 were such fuckall.

>>19566881
I just want to pick some super cheap acres that is rural and might be worth something more when space internet, solar power, etc all become real things. Would be a long hold and potentially just place some prefab thing there since there is so much acreage no neighbors

>>19566913
u have a weakness dude ur not a fucking god

god can take away everything you have in like a week from a series of unfortunate events

dont trigger people and tease people telling them how much more money you have than them

>>19566904
>>19566876
>>19566664
>>19566821
>>19566862
>Tech Roadmap
>DRAM and NAND Tech Roadmaps: MU achieved 64L crossover in NAND in F3Q18 and started to ship 96L in the NovQ – we expect the Company to achieve bit crossover in F4Q19/F1Q20 or ~5-6 quarters after initial production, consistent with timeline from 64L production to 64L crossover. Relative to DRAM, MU achieved 1xnm crossover in F1Q19 with 1y ramping production also in F1Q19 and meaningful production in F3Q19 – we expect the Company to achieve bit crossover in F1Q20/F2Q0 of 5-6 quarter after ramping 1y consistent with the timeline for 1x.
>Memory Trends
>Rising Capital Intensity: Moore’s Law is slowing down and supply growth is becoming more expensive. We expect bits per wafer growth to continue to decelerate as transitions are also taking longer.
>Cost Declines Are Structurally Declining: DRAM cost declines have moderated from historic Moore’s law cadence of 30% per year to 10%-15%. We expect further deceleration to 10% or lower.
>Gaming SSD Opportunity
>C2H20 to Benefit from Gaming SSD Growth: We believe this is an under-appreciated growth story that will arise from the new introduction of gaming consoles in C2H20 – with both the PlayStation 5 and Microsoft Xbox "Scarlett" both having embedded SSDs in the consoles for the first time ever – historically devices had HDD storage, and you could purchase an external SSD but SSD costs were expensive and could have equated to costs comparable to the console. While the specs are unconfirmed for both the devices, we would assume there will be options for 512 GB and 1 TB – and assuming a 50/50 split across these variants would equate to ~5% of CY20 NAND bit demand assuming ~30m consoles – note the Xbox sales have averaged ~10m units over the past 10 years while Sony sold ~20m PS4 in the most recent calendar year.

>>19566854
The only companies that have been doing that recently are companies on the verge on financial ruin (CCL). IF these companies sell their stock to pay bonds it'll likely be a slow bleed and those over leveraged companies will die the way of Hertz or JCP and not drag down the economy as a whole - in fact they'll bleed business to more forward thinking companies. Rates on new loans are the lowest they've ever been and companies won't be afraid to take on debt for growth or for restructuring. If you look at the biggest gainers in this rally you'll see it wasn't the "zombie" companies it tended to be the more leaner ones.


All im saying ias a investor worst case scenario you have stagflation. Best case scenario you have asset inflation which you want to get in early.

>>19566935
Isn't everyone seeing asset inflation coming/already happening?

Real estate is too slow of a market for people to pile into and rents will be meh since it's hitting renters hardest.

I dunno how TINA doesn't inflate stocks. What other asset or place will the inflation go?

>>19566930
>>19566904
>>19566876
>>19566664
>>19566821
>>19566862
>Valuation
>Valuation Debate: MU is currently trading at 5.9x NTM EV/EBITDA, below its previous 4 trough average of 6.7x. Though our PT of $90 is ~59x the annualized trough EPS, it is only ~6x our expected upcoming peak EPS of ~$15 (compared to an average peak Price/Peak Earnings of 7.9x since 2005), we believe is it achievable given (1) the added earnings power from managements success in closing the margin gap to peers (F3Q19 EBITDA Margin was 53% vs. an average trough EBITDA margin of 15% since 2009) (2) the first expected profitable bottom with annualized trough EPS of $2.50 in F4Q19, and (3) secular growth opportunities related to the rollout of 5G and storage demands from AI/analytics

>Bottom Line: MU positively pre’d F3Q (MayQ) Rev/EPS as COVID-19 WFH, SFH and E- Commerce Economy tailwinds continue to provide a NT favorable backdrop. In addition, MU and was cautiously optimistic that trends could sustain and provide F4Q Rev growth q/q inclusive of 14-week quarter. Specifically, MU raised F3Q Rev/EPS guide to $5.2-$5.4bn/$0.75-$0.80, ABOVE the high end of prior guide of $4.6-$5.2bn/$0.40-$0.70 consistent with our view that original guide had a SIGNIFICANT COVID cushion. MU also updated F3Q GM to 33-34% from 29.5-32.5%. Our original F3Q Rev estimate embedded DRAM/NAND ASPs +3.0%/-13% q/q – new range implies +7%/flat. While not providing explicit F4Q guidance, MU was cautiously optimistic for F4Q Rev growth q/q inclusive of a 14-week quarter (implied 7% q/q) vs. Street of $5.26bn, down 1% q/q versus new F3Q Rev guide. We raise our FY20 EPS to $2.53 from $1.98 and maintain our Street high FY21 EPS of $5.21 vs. Street of $2.32/$4.83 respectively.

I wish I had as job...

anyone looked at slack (WORK) for a potential investment? i struggle to filter out the good and bad tech stocks, especially when they are trading at roughly 27 times sales in this case

>>19566966
Do the contact tracing training asap and get a contract if you can. It pays well and is work from home. I would be doing it in your place. 40k to 70k a year with contract.

It's not going to last long though so do it asap

>>19566971
Slack feels like netscape; MS is pushing their version direct to windows installers

>>19566966
If you're a girl, become a housewife.
If you're a guy, become a mercenary.

>>19566956
>>19566930
>>19566904
>>19566876
>>19566664
>>19566821
>>19566862

Lastly, MU continues to manage CapEx to build supply in-line with demand, suggesting that FY21 CapEx is lower today than pre-COVID, albeit not necessarily down y/y – FY20 CapEx is $7-8bn, down ~25% y/y with WFE down >40% y/y. While 2HCY20 spot pricing concerns remain a risk (weak handset demand – CS estimates units down 6% y/y – the potential for C4Q DataCenter pause, and some inventory build at customers), we would highlight the following: (1) Memory CapEx is down 30-35% Peak-to-Current – memory cycles are defined by supply not demand and supply growth continues to decelerate thru at least 1HCY21, (2) 5G handsets have as much as 6x/3x the DRAM/NAND content, and (3) Memory to Logic ratio in consumer devices is 1:1, in enterprise servers ~6:1, hyperscale servers ~12:1, AI servers ~35:1 – the world is becoming more compute intensive and compute architectures more memory intensive. We see MU as well-positioned to benefit from LT trends that the current COVID crisis continues to codify/accelerate– WFH, SFH, On-Line Everything, Data Analysis, 5G, AI/ML, and Accelerating Compute TAM. MU currently trades at 5.8x NTM EV/EBITDA, below its 4 trough average of ~6.7x – note that F2Q was the 13th consecutive Q of +FCF w/ cross cycle GM/EBITDA/ROIC of +40%/+50%/20% – clearly indicative of a structural improving model. We reiterate our Outperform rating and $90 PT (~2.5x P/B FTM – top quartile average) – we see downside at 1.2x book, or ~$39, implying $4 of upside for every $1 of downside – the best Risk/Reward in Semis.

>>19566919
>should we buy unironically buy ram? 2016 and 2017 were such fuckall.
Explain? You mean to flip, or to upgrade?
What was wrong with 2016 and 2017?

>>19566966
iktf
I gotta figure something out before I become totally hopeless...
Maybe this guy has something worth pursuing?
>>19566056
>CCNP and some assorted Fortinet/cloud certs. I make $95k/yr CAD.

>>19566982
is there a chance that amazon will bail on them eventually and just start using the microsoft version?

>>19566986
Mercenaries have been professionalized.
You need another Ron Paul to set up a government office that issues letters of marque to anyone owning a boat.

>>19566978
>>19566986
I have a degenerative nuerological disease. I spend all day trading since literally every cent I have is disposable; and debating the merits of kms myself. NEET life sucks, I don't understand why people don't want to work.

>>19566915
Die hoe!

netscape did nothing wrong
it was us, we were the ones who lost our way

buy?

IVR to 4x your money. And $2/year/stock dividend

>>19567050
55% dividend

WAAAAAAAAAHTTTTT??????

>>19566952
>Isn't everyone seeing asset inflation coming/already happening?
I mean yeah, thats we've seen such a quick and sharp uptick of the overall stock prices. There have been many Thesis' what QE does to the economy and where 2008 QE actually went but more forward thinking Economists settled on the idea that it was asset inflation (seen by the recent bulllrun and lack of housing price decline), which is why Traders have been BTFO and not the institutions.

>I dunno how TINA doesn't inflate stocks. What other asset or place will the inflation go?
thats the million dollar question, I just focused on ETF's myself now

>>19567026
I had a working netscape.net email deep in to the 00's. It changed hands a couple times and was being hosted by AOL before it went kaput. They changed how they set up the login process and, because there was no secondary email in my account to retrieve lost password, it locked me out. I knew the original password but it stopped working when they changed whatever it was that they changed.

>>19566935
>companies on the verge on financial ruin
apple sold bonds in 2019. P&G and V were recent issues.
https://www.digitalcommerce360.com/2020/05/15/large-retailers-join-the-rush-to-issue-corporate-bonds-during-the-pandemic/
Half of this list is solid

>>19566952
>Real estate is too slow of a market for people to pile into
The more important part of real estate is the debt. Mortgage applications spiking is potentially in expectation for tightening credit and desire to pay with less valuable dollars. There's also still commodities which are at record lows. The TINA argument is kinda shit because it fails to observe risk. It might explain some big money moving into equities, but it's not nearly as big as is typically implied. The potential losses are too great, and it's probably more of a hedge to preserve value more than anything else.

>>19566991
>to flip, or to upgrade?
For either, desu.
>What was wrong with 2016 and 2017?
RAM was really expensive. Wasn't it like $70 to $80 for two mediocre sticks of 4 gb those years? It was an artificial scarcity or some kind of issue with manufacturing being heavily directed towards mobile iirc. It feels so long ago.

>>19566919
>>19566935
If the Fed stop printing low interest money, how can companies keep operating on debt that they planned to grow out of? Profits have plummeted and its very doubtful they will return to pre-corona levels any time soon. Since they plan growth to out pace debt, these companies are very leveraged. Once the Fed stops handing out money, they will need to find another way to pay off debt which is now a much greater burden since growth plans have been interrupted. In fact, the debt may be so high for some companies that they can't grow, like a weight on the ankle. They can't just keep getting more loans, so that means the only way to pay out will be to sell back stock or issue new, even higher interest bonds. Sure it will be different for every company but clearly that is a very worrisome prospect.

On another note, I was looking at promising bonds to speculate on and I think US Steel (NYSE:X) might be good. They have a low rating so their YTM/YTW are quite high. I don't think they will bankrupt because Trump is HUGE on US Steel and very against Chinese Steel. Trump will probably make some good deals for them in the future to save the US steel industry (hes already done tarrifs).

>>19567068
also note how prevalent the 401k has become, it is becoming more and more political suicide to let the market decline. Being a long term bear is absolute financial suicide right now

>Being early is the same as being wrong.

>>19567021
So you have chosen Balled up Aluminum wrap Death

>>19567046
Wait a bit and see if it drops a couple bucks.

>>19567050
dude i looked it up it says they pay out a dividend on june 29th?

this might be free money

what thinketh thou?

>>19567050
what do they do? is it an REIT?

>that dividend reduction from 0.5 to 0.05

oh i might be reading it wrong, that recent stock split might have ruined the numbers

>>19567016
It's not that I don't want to work, it's just that I want whatever I work for to be meaningful. I can't find meaning in anything, thus, I like being a NEET in the present period of time. If you don't like being a NEET right now, go learn a cool trade, or go live outdoors, or start a business. IDK, something that would be fulfilling to you w/ your remaining time desu.

>>19567082
that's a robust looking sandwich

>>19567050
>And $2/year/stock dividend
come on. not after share dilution. everyone and their mom is going to get in on this

>>19567087
If we have inflation and low interest rates doesn't that create the TINA?

The risk is still there but you have the fed forced to work on unemployment % which will keep rates low for a very long time. If we get higher deficit spending and stimulus it also pins the fed in place as they must inflate to help with the debt obligations in society.

>>19567089
I'm bullish on this sector and related in general, especially in North America. I'll go digging around. If those bonds are long dated, i don't know what might happen in the near term. i think we're vaguely early for non Brazilian iron mining... I'm not sure. X's operations might help bigly. Take my notes with a grain of salt because I'm green in the cyclical space and commodities.

>>19567133
'Member SWBI? I 'member. It's a straight gamble. play it like Airlines.

>>19567136
mortgage REIT
>>19567133
70% of their mortgages are from commercial real estate which is going to die

What is a regional bank and why does ameriburgers have so many of them?

Got a lot of CCL and feeling antsy about a second wave. Any safe HODLs to move it into this week?

>>19567089
>if the Fed stop printing low interest money, how can companies keep operating on debt that they planned to grow out of? Profits have plummeted.
Corporate debt bubble is a well documented problem, even before Corona happened we saw the same pattern. The thing is Leaner companies will see a bigger hand of the asset inflation - "Important" companies like Boeing will get an eternal bailout. You have an absolutely valid position but please don't overestimate the weight of the "boomer debt" companies when you have companies like Apple and Amazon with record high amounts of profit/debt ratio. Plus inflation (especially asset inflation where you can dillute/sell shares) erodes debt

>>19567099
bullish for REYN??

>>19567137
>If you don't like being a NEET right now, go learn a cool trade, or go live outdoors, or start a business
you make it all sound so simple...

>>19567087
>It was an artificial scarcity or some kind of issue with manufacturing being heavily directed towards mobile iirc.
was this around the time when semiconductor facilities were flooded due to some severe weather event, or could it be related to the bitcoin mining bubble?

>>19567178
Also I don't see Europe or Asia exiting stimulus for soo fucking long. Japan was already in GDP shrinkage into Q1 before corona hit them. Asian econ growth is looking pretty shit.

I dunno. I feel like Q3/Q4 all the "hot" tech stocks are going to just inflate to the moon because of all these environmental reasons. All those extra printed money will go to them worldwide.

>>19567006
Hmm... too bad, I guess. You could always be the trail blazer mercenary that creates a new paradigm. Make Outer Heaven a reality.

>>19567181
The bond I am looking at is US Steel 6.65% 06/01/2037, its only about 670/bond, as low as 530 in March. It spiked this week and has a YTM of 10%

>>19567195
People got really mad at the first bailouts late time. The nature of the bailouts may be different this time, and not necessarily in favor of share holders.

>>19567196
I admit two of those require more than just willpower to find fulfilling, but it's not too hard to drop everything and live outdoors if you're truly done with your old life and society desu. Most would die real quick like Chris McCandless, but it might be a better death than they could hope for otherwise.

>>19567225
living innawoods doesn't solve the neet problem, doesn't do much to building a more secure and desirable future.

>>19566756
No.

>>19567223
I think the stimulus checks really worked psychologically. I don't see another stimulus passing without them.

>>19567195
>>19567223
I also forgot to mention, its not like the debt problem has been solved either. Printing money is just prolonging the inevitable unless something else is figured out.

>>19567087
>https://www.digitalcommerce360.com/2020/05/15/large-retailers-join-the-rush-to-issue-corporate-bonds-during-the-pandemic/
Good list, but still you need to discern companies issuing debt because they are in dire straits and others because it is the most financially sane choice.

I mean even in the link itself it says
>Peters says, Apple’s $8.5 billion bond offering was likely made to borrow cash at extremely favorable rates.

>>19567250
USA vs China is still on the table. Everything has to be viewed through the lens of competition with China as well. Have to juice the attractiveness of investments into USA companies for competition sake as well even if not the best economic move for americans.

>>19567198
Maybe white-collar espionage, if you're able to master aspects of tradecraft and how to sell trade secrets like pricing/customer lists.
That doesn't involve a gun at any point, though.

>>19567181
>cyclical space and commodities.
looking to get heavier in this area, what are your plays?
Currently eyeing WM, DD, APTV, KBR, CMI, MAS, FMC, ARNC, and maybe DHI, BKR... if you know anything about any one of those, I'd be happy to hear it.

>>19567250
>>19567223
The simple fact we never got to pre2008 Fed asset levels and interest rate levels has already let that train go.

My whole point is in the next Decade what we will see is most likely Asset Inflation or Stagflation is shit hits the fan. Being long in this market on lean companies is the most sane choice.

>>19567282
What is a "lean" company? Got examples?

>>19567282
Yeah you want to be in the assets with highest relative inflation. I think inflation is forced due to debt and was already high on assets before this. 2020-2021 will make the market prices look insane IMO. 5-8% from inflation alone could be possible.

>>19567301
A lean company is any company that isn't hampered by debt obligations and can pivot to growing trends. Apple is the absolute best example of a lean company ever and it's why it's done so well in the last asset inflation bubble. GE is an absolute fat boomer company that has made attempts to lean out
>>19567307
The thing is we just have to avoid Nikkei's fate...

>>19567178
>The risk is still there but you have the fed forced to work on unemployment % which will keep rates low for a very long time.
The likely downside risk for equities broadly right now is something like -25% to -40%. TINA doesn't mean that big money is going to throw it's fucking stack into this equity mess, but if they're in fear of inflation, they will likely adjust their positioning to offset inflation risk on their stack and continue on their merry way. It's not the whole wad, and it's likely a smaller wad than what went into 2020.
Also, I dare not say -50% due to ridicule, but it's a number that gets thrown around by some equity doomers. No this is not like the BTC argument where if BTC fails, all of society as we know it is over if the network goes down. a 50% drop from 3.2k S&P is completely tolerable - the index doesn't reflect the economy anyway, right?

>>19567196
I think it was both. what a pain in the ass time to build a damn PC.

>>19567214
sounds very tasty and like a good find.

>>19567255
We all should be looking to refinance our debts too, but I think the guidelines have already tightened. The Apple bonds are exceptional and are probably better than munis. make of that what you will.

>>19567280
>looking to get heavier in this area, what are your plays?
>I'm green
Just incase you weren't sure, that means I'm new. I'm generally avoiding Oil, but I'll get some exposure via ETFs. FMC is on my list, but I'm targeting iron and copper mining specifically in north america.

>>19567390
do we though. Just avoid the zombie companies and stick with tech.

>>19567196
oh, and no i think the flooding was in indonesia in 2014 or 15. that was hard on HDDs.

>>19567395
I don't see this downside risk materializing. Q2 earnings will be doomer tier but I think people will look past it by then. Also the pent-up nature of things will give us a spike that's hard to be bearish during.

>>19567420
I personally see a pretty simple rotation

tech led, then reopen leads, then tech just becomes king by Q4. The reopen plays / non tech stocks are going to be interesting though because of how long their rally will last. It could go on for 3-4 months to some degree or end already.

>>19567238
Easiest way out never solves much. Just saying it's an immediate fix to any desire for something different. Can provide a real spiritual catharsis. But, overall, I would definitely recommend improving yourself and moving into a position of power over the option that encompasses the complete abandonment of the world.

>>19566710
I just made a robinhood account for fiddy dollars. invest me.

>>19567390
I think we dont need to worry about Nikkei situation, I think thats heavily a cultural thing. America is a land of extremes and opportunism, the result will either be amazing or disastrous.

>>19567403
>Just avoid the zombie companies and stick with tech.
Reminder that TSLA, Uber, Autodesk, Spotify, and Zillow are zombie tech

Also to anyone ITT: I'm a economics major that graduated just before Corona and QE is taught basically to be frontier territory in which many people don't know the long term effects of so to see unprecedented QE for this current event means that you really cant use pre-2008 reasoning for stock market trends.

>inb4 muh indoctrination
Literal professors who spend their life on macroeconomic trends have this viewpoint - not just "the textbook"

>>19567181
>Member SWBI?
I don't. Care to explain?

>>19567466
>QE is taught basically to be frontier territory in which many people don't know the long term effects of so to see unprecedented QE for this current event means that you really cant use pre-2008 reasoning for stock market trends.
QE is money printing with steps in between. And we had alpha versions of it in the 90s and then the beta with 2008. Infinite QE was because most of the inflation went into equities and was mostly responsible for the "bull run" from 2008 to 2020.
MMT is to give some rationality to money printing. The chicken came before the egg.

>>19567498
I Agree and this is what many forward economics agree with too.

>>19567181
>>19567476
>SWBI
I bought SWIBI Monday, very good decision. I'm planning to buy more because they have upcoming earnings report, then sell covered calls.

>>19567420
I don't think a single person who has his head in the game gives a shit about Q2 except demanding good guidance which the companies are probably going to be forced to give. Q3 numbers, guidance, and the general timing deserve much more attention. Q1 was damning with regard to industry debt and margins. Q2 is just a slog, Q3 earnings might get cooked to hell and back, but they really need to clinch it. We're supposed to recover by Q3 or Q4, according to bulls. the FEDs spoken policy seems to have been forgotten in general discourse. Additionally, stimulus measures stop in Aug/Sept. they need to be re-upped or replaced. Low income housing is watching Sept. desperately.

>>19567476
he fomo bought at 14.99 sold at 14, only for it to go from 13.70ish to 15.30ish.

>>19567457
NVDA, GOOGL here and indexes, semis/qqq etc. Have some VOO and other stuff on margin just to short dollars.

>>19567514
You should buy back in. Fear drives gun sales and with corona, riots, election, and China, theres plenty of fear. Alternatively you can buy OLN, they make ammo and have good dividend.

do we completely ignore dividends for the rest of our life?

i watched a youtube video where the guy did the math and the best dividend stocks you had to have like 150k+ invested just to make 1k a month

>>19567546
I swung it, and it looks good for re-entry. I'm very spooked on the markets in general. Maybe if i end up with spare cash it will be on my short list.

>>19567559
I say give it time.
>8% div yield is shit
you deserve to be laughed at.

I really hope IVR works out, I am optimistic and bought in pretty heavily already.

>>19567559
Dividends are good for people who aren't greedy.

I'm greedy as hell. I rather make 3 times the dividends of a stock in a day than wait a year and get the 15% tax write off.

>>19567559
Dividends are just another metric in constructing an investment strategy. Their inclusion is completely dependent on your investment goals.

>>19567559
Yes. That boomer investing of the 90s has been dead for a long time but it still suckers people into it.
Truly invincible dividend/blue chip stocks, with perhaps low but ironclad yields, are the new bonds since a lot of the bond market is in the toilet. JNJ, for example.

Tomorrow changes my life either way forever

>>19567466
I feel like I'm in the minority but I think that history will show QE to have been a successful endeavor. Central banks were painted into a corner and this was the last card to play as far as averting a Depression 2.0 is concerned (both 08-09 and this recent crisis). Economists with the Fed, amplified by the likes of CNBC and Bloomberg, sold us on the idea that it could be rolled back "once the dust settles". Guys like Peter Schiff will say there is "no going back" without a reckoning, but my bet is that we do see a stretch of good times that allow for that rollback to happen. We saw rates ticking back up before corona. Give us now maybe 20 years and I bet we see a normalization. Problem is, a lot of us might not be around to see it actually happen, literally 6 feet under, so in terms of what we will live to see it's a different story. The central banks are like rocket engineers. They learn very fast from failure; just look at studies of the Great Depression's causes and see how it has shaped subsequent policy moves. Even 08-09 taught us a ton, and in my opinion the Fed should be trusted with what they are doing.

>>19567598
are you going to close it immediately if its green?

>>19567598
You are either rich or broke anon

>>19567598
Respectably ballsy move anon, hope it works out.

>>19567546
Don't overstay your welcome, these companies are notorious for poor management. So don't expect them to blow away earnings.

The gun sale boom for the Obama presidency may still be inflating the number of guns in circulation. People really wanted to stock up then, now? Biden and Trump are the two options, neither of which appear on the surface to care about fucking with gun owners. That may change when he nominates Abrams as VP, I don't know much about her.
Second amendment arguements are stronger than ever in light of a fucking riot, so while that may cause the few people who don't own guns to buy, it's not going to cause people to panic-buy guns like obama and hillary did.
Also 3D printing is starting to take off againn, and I'm seeing shit about printing guns I've never seen before.

>>19567595
JNJ has an iron-clad balance sheet, and significant upside potential in pharma, oncology, and covid. JNJ is based. KO is based. PEP is based. Not because of their divvy, but in spite of.
but they do get a boost from yeild seekers

>>19567598
Based. I suspect a whole lot of the market is still on the wrong side of this trade. I haven't heard shit about rioting, but I've heard a lot about opening up and the jobs report.

>>19567598
Don’t go greedy anon. If you make bank, good for you. Just don’t expect 100k in 5 minutes. Don’t be too proud to sell

NVDA

>>19567559
>1M in stocks
>6.6k a month in divvies
I mean that’s not bad

>>19567598
what does 16x leverage mean it means he only invested 3750 and he borrowed the rest of the money?

>>19567642
>a whole lot of the market is still on the wrong side of this trade
can you support this one and outline the risks?

>>19566859
Reading 22 year olds posters who made $180k was my inspiration to quit vidya and actually pursue something. I got lucky but I’m gonna milk it for at least 5 years.

>>19567642
People are scared of Corona panic, second wave is going to be worse.
People are scared of the riots, people have lost faith in police, only you can protect yourself and the means buying a gun.
Trump specifically mentioned the 2nd A in a recent speech, I'm sure he will have more to say, might even add 2nd as a major platform for second term. Once RGB dies and Trump appoints another SC justice, 2nd A cases may finally start. Even before all this panic, there were major issues occurring in VA that brought gun rights to the national news. Remember when they said it was going to be violent white rednecks? Turns out it was a big nothing burger. While at the same time these riots prove that you need a gun.
Not to mention the looming threat of China. This probably hasn't sparked much sales yet, but every news story about Chinese military makes people think more.

>>19566898
>>19566913
Agreed I’m a 8.0/10 and I guarantee that’s why I got this position. I’m surrounded by women older than me

>>19567697
oh and bill gates inspires africans making 3 cents a day

the logic just isnt there dude

nobody should make billions of dollars even if you are a big enough boot licking cuck to think thats a good thing

why cant someone who earns like 40k a year be your inspiration because its a job you actually like

the logic that jeff bezos is inspiring you more than a fire fighter

it just doesnt really have any logic because would he inspire you more if he had 2 trillion instead of 1 trillion?

>>19567652
Looks like some fake shit, or at best a prototype design that wont go to market.

>>19567681
>>19567681
Not really, just a suspicion based on the large short ES position of large spec futures traders from Tuesday, as reflected by the COT report.
I have not backtested or analyzed the cot, and I’m also very suspicious of its usefulness.

But we have heard that cash has flown out of equities and into treasuries and money market funds at record or nearly record levels, and that the rate of savings for Americans is very unusually high.

>>19567607
agreed anon
im hesitantly optimistic too. there are a lot of smart people who have a lot at stake, doing their best.

>>19567598
Unbelievably based.

>>19567737
I'm really curious about the WTI crude. Oil seems to move in its own way. Very short term forcasting should probably have it up, but this is currently like predicting next Thursday's weather.

>>19567608
no full retard mode waiting for 200k+
>>19567649
i'm too greedy can't help it. need to be able to say fuck it to everything and everyone
>>19567667
the futures move 16x the % change and if it goes -5.5% that entire 65k poofs

>>19567910
what brokerage are you using

robinhood doesnt offer me the ability to do that

id be willing to put a few hundred down on a 16x like that

>>19567559
what if you invested into companies under 5 dollars and those became the next apple? you would have like 50-60x more shares and collecting divvies then the guy who invested into large caps for dividends.

Will someone please post the polo gif

>>19567928
You can option trade on robinhood

>>19567607
>>19567738
I think thats very optimistic. If QE is so good and has no draw backs, why wouldn't we just do it all the time? Why ever stop?
>we will rollback. 20 years
Thats a pretty dire thing to say. What happens when we have another crisis and need to QE again? Will we have to roll back in 30 more years? Whos going to want to deal with it in 20 years? When the Fed finally tried to fix the balance sheet and interest rates, the market had a massive tantrum and dropped almost 20%. Additionally investing strategies have been moving towards short term because money now is better than money later. This idea is what drove companies after 2008 to take out massive loans because "why worry about the future when we can have money now?" Its classic greed, and there is a cost. Just because we don't know the cost (yet) doesn't mean there isn't one.

>>19567963
ya i can buy options but what """leverage""" is that equivalent too

lol

>>19567928
Its euro only.
>>19567957
Sure

>>19567969
Options leverage depends on the expiry date and strike prices

>>19567974
Thank you

I bought shares a few different companies. Is this a good start?
have I difersified enough

>>19567974
What's with all the polos?

>>19567995
would help if you said which companies

>>19568023
c-coca-Cola, Wendy's, Starbucks and Twitter...

>>19568038
I mean its not the worst (except Twitter) but how much are you talking about?

>>19568045
Not a lot. One stock for each

>>19567967
>tried to fix the balance sheet and interest rates, the market had a massive tantrum and dropped almost 20%.
the Fed shouldn't have been rattled by that. hopefully next administration wont lean on the fed so much to produce perpetual bull

>>19566744
>>19566756
>>19567243
too bad im doing it anyways

>>19567976
what is the leverage of a option that is the call that is closest to what its already at and the expiration of this week

>>19566900
What the hell am I looking at

>>19568058
I agree they shouldn't have bent, it would have made the current crisis not as bad because companies would have already started to deleverage. However, what incentive does a politician have to STOP QE? Its like a genie that grants instant economic success.

>>19568109
>However, what incentive does a politician have to STOP QE?
agreed
nominally thats why the Federal Reserve isnt elected (even though this deeply upsets /pol/acks and other autists). and through most of US history, the fed has been apolitical. though that's mainly been because Presidents were afraid to lean on it. Trump doesn't give a fuck and Powell is weak.
im hoping that whoever the next President is wont lean on it. or maybe we'll get legislative reform, making the Fed more apolitical? idk. hopefully we'll work this shit out. we've managed an apolitical Fed in the past, hopefully we can manage it again

>>19568038
>three food and one (shitty) tech stock
you tell me if thats diversified
>>19568057
that being said, with a portfolio that small diversification is not a big deal anyway. imo you should stick a good chunk of your money into an index like SPY as a core for your portfolio, that'll give you a well diversified backbone to work off of
also don't buy twitter, what the fuck are you doing

>>19568137
I was looking at the trend. Shit I didn't know twitter was that bad
will take your advice

>>19568137
how is twitter bad? am genuinely curious. its absurdly lucrative and has a stranglehold over its niche of social media

>>19568136
I think the Fed is very political. Pretending like it isn't does not help. The fact that its "private" doesn't matter. Theres a reason people say to end the fed, it has incredible power over the economy by itself while also not having any accountability. In the future, we may need to figure out a better way to do this central bank/fiat money thing. I can't say what that is, but it seems highly likely we will switch to a digital currency and printed money will be a physical representation of it (like the serial number represents a block of currency kept on a record).

>>19567559
>i watched a youtube video where the guy did the math and the best dividend stocks you had to have like 150k+ invested just to make 1k a month

Yes, divvies are more for when you have a good chunk of money (50k+) and want to use it as a supplementary income. Once you get over the 500k level, you use it for "this is enough to get by on for the rest of my life" income. Are there better ways to invest? Yes, but they require effort. living off divies @500k is more like the "k, I'm done with investing and working and don't want to do shit anymore" kind of investment.

>>19568215
Or at least it was apolitical in the sense that it didn't strongly favor one political party / politician over the future economic welfare of the country. I suppose its impossible to have an institution that's completely apolitical. But it was certainly better in the past. Now it's been suborned into Trump's reelection campaign

>>19568229
I would have to say Obama set the precedent that Trump is following. Rates were basically zero since 2008 and were not raised until Trump was about to enter. Why did it take so long to raise rates? Yellen was a total cunt btw, remember she publicly opposed Trump, totally unprofessional.

>>19568058
>the Fed shouldn't have been rattled by that. hopefully next administration wont lean on the fed so much to produce perpetual bull
The real problem is the zombies. Raising interest rates would kill them and there is a lot of zombie employment tied up in them. It would be the responsible thing but no Boomer wants to actually foot the bill.

Buying real estate related stocks, oil and airlines stock tomorrow. Also considering clothing brands, this clown market should pump like crazy in July and crash after we realize we're in a Depression.

What do you think about Musk twitting for Cannabis Legalization? All the stocks on the Weed Market are pretty fucking low right now.

>>19568038
I'd drop TWTR and move it to XRX.
>>19568057
I'd also not make my mistake and worry too much about diversification in a portfolio that has less than $5,000 in value.

>>19568559
Were taking your 401ks were going to defund them. Theyre not going anywhere.

Your medicare you can forget about it.

>>19568038
It is nice to know how the process works and considering you bought one single shares of each you probably don't have the minimum to just put into an index fund (3k is typical). That said, you could probably do better just buying SPY and holding that.
People new to the market always ignore the "just buy an index ETF" advice until they see firsthand that yea, it would have been the better option all along.
The future of "layman" investing will be index fund + a few pet companies that have good room for growth and you personally like.

What can I change in this portfolio?

>>19568633
>Ford
Why... just why? Sell it and buy something promising that's low like Aston Martin. Ford is in a fucking limbo, they produce nothing of value except the exact same fucking truck for the last 15 years.

>>19568633
>macys
i dunno if thats a good idea. it's retail and the social distance will be in effect for a long time.

New to all of this and I just have a quick question. If I own 50 shares in a company, and said company merges with another, how does that work? Does my stock disappear because the company no longer exists? Does it get transferred over to the new company?

>>19568679
>it's retail

retail is better than online shopping you absolute tech cuck

ever been to ross or aldis?

no?

thats why you think macys is "retail" those are overpriced shit holes

>>19568698
You may get bought out at a premium or you may get shares in the new company at some ratio. That's the 2 most common things that happen.

>>19568720
Perfect, thanks for the help. Either way, they're not just going to liquidate it and say "lol sorry" which was my concern.

>>19568713
are you fucking serious or just baiting?

>>19568559
CGC is a good play, I expect widespread legalization of weed this fall.

>>19568744
CGC doesn't benefit from more state legalizations. It has to be federal before they can move in.

i only respect people who shop at ross bros

>>19568736
Stocks only get liquidated when the company itself liquidates. This is usually not sudden and the stock will already be nearly at zero when this happens. Look at JC Penney for a recent example and zoom out.

>>19568754
Then what does? I think a complete US-wide legalization will happen this year or in the first half of 2021. They need more tax.

>>19568738
Don't mind him, he's a local kpop shitposter that constantly baits in here

>>19568736
>Either way, they're not just going to liquidate it and say "lol sorry" which was my concern.
Correct. Shareholders almost always come out the other end of it with a favorable deal. In fact you will often see people hoping for a buyout of their the company they have shares in in expectation of a premium above current price range.

>>19568775
Multi-state US operators benefit most from more states going legal. The ones that are slowly establishing footholds in legal states and getting ready to pounce on new ones whenever the legislation goes through.

only boomers invest in amazon theyre like "Sip monster"

"Yup Amazon.com thats the new tech wave."

>>19568633
Macy's will get fucked again. Probably best not to ride that one.

>>19568879
Good price, it will be $10,000 by 2021.

>>19568669
Tbh I dont know, just wanted to put cash into some reliable stock. And it looked very bad because of corona. But yes, now everyone says that I should sell it.

>>19568903
>Ford
>reliable

>>19567559
Dividends are alright. T and MO are the only companies I plan to hold long term enough to get any though. Extra $75 a quarter is always nice if I want a new vidya or just extra grocery money.

>18th green day in a row
>crisis is over
>still no idea on what to buy

there are so many stocks, ETFs and commodities/metals that I'm simply unable to decide on anything

I also have that feeling that as soon as I buy something FOMO will end and the market will dip again

it's painful to watch the market right now if you didn't buy the dip

>>19569014
$ROPE?

>>19566710
>tomboy
great
only post these from now on

Weekends after you make a degenerate gamble on a friday always suck tbqh

>>19569014
Oil is the only thing in my portfolio that hasn't started aggressively mooning in the past week. It's not to late to get in on the HAL or SLB gain train

Any advice for an European-Bro regarding brokers? I'm seething at the fact that Americans can trade feeless with Robinhood while I have to pay up. Am I too much of a mountain jew or are there better alternatives? So far I've looked at Degiro and Lynx.
1 € = 1.09 CHF
1 € = 1.13 $

>>19569014
Palladium, Rhodium.

You can thank me in a month.

>>19569058
Top left corner is some good hopium

green line up tomorrow?

>>19569074
InteractiveBrokers if you trade regularly. There's a monthly fee but it is cancelled out by trading fees of ~$1 per trade and ~$3 per option combo

>>19569190
the moon mission has just begun

one small step for man kind

one giant leap for man kind

yas queen

How do you think DAL is looking on Monday? I've heard people say it might dip and I'd buy into that.

donald trump already memed the prophecy

"youre going to get tired of winning"

"youre going to say no trump ive already won too much"

oil bullish after opec?

i saw a lot of spanish businesses dropped down on stocks but idk how to put money in stocks, ive heard you need an intermediary or something
any details?
sorry for being a total retard

>>19568775
there’s no federal legalization on the horizon

>>19569307
download a stock trading app in your country and deposit

thats it dude no intermediarys

Hope you publicly publish photos of yourself denying your white privilege to avoid the mob killings to come when this country becomes Zimbabwe 2.

>>19569300
for this month yeah. expect a drop after the extension cut ends

>>19569332
>after the extension cut ends

what date does that happen on?

>>19569319
NYC is one of the most diverse cities out there, He probably did it to help recruit more talent from recent grads from the notoriously liberal Ivy schools

>>19569317
im cautious with this kind of sttuff, is Plus500 okay?

>>19569334
somewhere near of july

>>19569346
ya seems legit to me i googled it

>>19569354
*end of

>>19569283
Airlines are in hype mode so there's no saying what kind of day is coming. Friday's after hours had people pumping again in the low to mid single digits on various airlines from closing bell.

>>19569319
Whole thing is so fucking stupid.

>>19569307
Look for online stock brokers and pay attention to fees.

>>19569319
First we had chinese cold media hysteria and now this. It's mass schizophrenia synthesised during a conference call between a bunch of small hats.

>>19569452
this mind virus is much more potent than corona

Death to all bears

>>19567189
regional banks sound pretty comfy desu - better than national/international ones we have in the UK like HSBC etc

How's monday looking guys?

How come Canada is so behind with it's stock market?

Are the airlines really free money? Does someone have a graph with all the financials of the big airlines?

>>19569624
>How's monday looking guys?
>futures green
>crude oil above 40
Is that even a question?

>>19569764
no it's not but I do see a good rebound recovery in alot of them like DAL or United

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airline_bankruptcies_in_the_United_States

>>19569829
Yeah but what I meant is riding the wave up and taking profits. The second wave might be coming, but it's not coming for the next 2 months.

>>19569081
Shill me Palladium.
Isn't the automotive sector the major consumer of it?
I find it hard to believe that car sales will recover quickly in next year or so.

>>19569872
Dumbass....this the Palladium dip....what do you do with dips?.....

>>19569854
what kind of graph do you need exactly? i'm just trying to help but I assume you already use a screener with filters already.

>>19569906
Right, because that is the only dip I could currently invest in.
But nevermind, apparently you're brain dead

>>19569872
If you have $$$, Rhodium is a better option for even more $$$.

2x easy

>>19569986
show me where RHODIUM is in the bible

ACKSHUALLY , GOLD COINS!!!!!! GOLD!!!!!!!

will exist for all of eternity and be the dedicated currency in heaven

>>19569998
Chart speaks for itself....buy rhodium

I have 1k. Do I go all in on HAL for Monday?

>>19570048
It's going to gap up at open, pump a bit and then settle back down but sure.

the absolute state of this board man. They're literally giving their money to memes now.
This general is now the only reason to bother coming here. Please dont let it die

>>19570076
I honestly wish they do something about the constant flood of shitcoins. there is no crypto general and mods won't do anything about it.

>>19569346
Owned by jews

>>19569918
Some time ago an anon posted a nice table and a few graphs about the financial situation of the airlines. I wondered whether someone had them.

Anyway, thanks anon.

>>19570076
Unironically.

I took a pause for a few weeks and holy shit did change in the meantime.

>>19569346
That or Trading212 are what most ppl use.

>>19569346
Bullshit. You can't trade without margin.

Time to go all in on a 2x or 3x financials ETF.

any TA niggas here? shill me some recos for monday

Why can't it be Monday already?

>>19570341
There's literally only one place this market is going

>>19570341
goin up against some big money

>Monday turns out to be a -2% red day
wat do

>>19570513
banic

>>19566710
>hajime edition
based and wholesome

>>19567189
whats that program?

>>19570513
buy dips

>>19570571
https://finviz.com/screener.ashx

>>19567716
>nobody should make billions of dollars
Jealous brainlet commie detected.
> boot licking cuck
Yeah, there's the projection too. kys, leftypol faggot.

>>19570513
>Monday
>-2% red opening
>+3% green closing

questions from a newfag

1. why has teh japanese economy traded sideways for so long?

2. is that going to happen to the US economy?

>>19570443
>XLF 18 strike July put
>SPY puts
That's some wbs tier robinhoodie retardation. I'm going 100% Canadian financials anyway.

>>19570513
Literally buy 2x financial ETF if it dips. It will be a double discount.

>>19570614

>>19570406
GE

>>19570654
Lurk more.

>>19570654
1. Japanese manufacturing became extremely expensive, many factories transferred from Japan to China.
2. No, at least not in our generation. Try again in the next century, 2120.

>>19570406
US financials will probably dip and crab towards the moving average.

I'm making a killing on oil and airlines. I bought at their low and you fucking idiots thought I was stupid. Anyways, when should I start to get out?

Truly fucked system. Divorce process that is. She can divorce you anytime for any reason. The lawyers get paid by the hour. Court fees,etc. So every hour the two of you argue about who gets the stupid shit (tables,plates,couches,etc) all your really doing is forking out more green to the lawyers. If both of you don't want the house or other property owned then the court will direct it be sold with the proceeds split among you. Then unless your smart before hand any money you got will be split down the middle. She takes half. Don't really mater if she made less than you or if she didn't even work at all.
The cherry on top is the kiddie payments. If you got kids, be prepared to fork out kiddie payments till they hit 18 years old. Don't mater if she lands a high paying job after the divorce, your still on the hook. So after the whole retched ordeal most dudes are broke as fuck or close to it. This one poor bastard I worked with his wife dropped the divorce paperwork on him while he was at work. In full view of his co workers. The only saving grace about that for him was his kids were already 18 and doing there own thing so he was off the payment hook.

>>19566744
Theyre overrated anon. Some boorish slob who doesnt cook doesnt clean and wears your clothes. And is also clueless in bed.

Youll be screaming for a girly girl who wears heels and lace panties.

>>19570614
It is impressive that this grandpa is still able to remember his name, not to mention he has to analyse markets, have some respect.

i just ordered bacon

what are my odds of it mooning when it gets here

>>19568620
This. At least until one gets more comfortable and can venture further away from index investing. I do like the idea of having an index fund as an alternative to a savings account though.

>>19568038
coke (KO) is pretty solid, never really a bad pick but it's not going to moon or anything. It's stable which is good if you're looking for stability and can balance out the volatility of other sectors like oil and real estate.
Your best bet is to just buy ETFs or an index fund if you have the minimum.
Diversification IMO doesn't mean buying up a bunch of stocks it means buying the best picks in uncorrelated sectors since every sector goes through peaks and valleys, some less than others, some more than others, but if everything is all up at once and all down at once then you didn't really do anything in terms of diversification.
There is a difference between diversification and hedging against ignorance. If you are hedging against ignorance just buy an index. I don't see why anyone needs to own 40 stocks. I feel like 10 is probably the upper limit otherwise just buy an index or etf.

>>19568587
>Xerox
lol

>>19568633
I don't like ford at all. I was holding it back in like 2012 and it's only gone down. Auto sector is getting fucking demolished right now and Ford wasn't exactly a hot company before the crash. I bet they cut their dividend soon.
Delta will probably pick back up but the airline sector has had so much trouble over the years that I stay out of anything air line related (minus oil but that's different).
I don't know much about Macy's long term game plan but I am personally bearish on malls and department stores. I see Macy's as an in-between from JCP and Nordstroms and I think Nordstroms will survive because they have a more affluent clientele and stronger brand. I don't think Macys can really get a lot of market share from Nordstroms

>>19570795
Most airlines are not even at the pre-virus highs yet.. Milk it for all you can.

>>19568633
Dont ride Delta for too long, the expidental growth might come to a sudden halt and a dip.

>>19566741
Yes, TPL

>>19570795
If you want to swing trade just look at RSI, bollinger bands and where the trend is going. Both oil and airlines will keep going up and I bet JETS will bounce of the upper band.

>>19568804
>>19568879

Amazon is unironically the new Berkshire Hathaway.

>>19568038
Ditch those but keep KO and WEN. Research oil (any) and defense/gun stocks. If you're looking for a sure profit trade, then look for GNUS, DIS, and SSL.

>>19570922
>If you're looking for a sure profit trade, then look for GNUS

Oh nono no.

>>19570614
thanx anon

I think I'm going to buy into some DAL, everything is coming back to normal and it still has a ways to go

>>19570930
Oh yesyes yes.

>>19570950
That's me. I'm gonna hang on to it till 57. Not a penny less. 17,000 will be mine..

>>19569628
>How come Canada is so behind with it's stock market?

Yeah it's bullshit. I invested into Air Canada, and on Friday it went up...4%. FOUR FUCKING PERCENT. I should have invested into AAL like I originally planned a week ago.

>>19568226
>k, I'm done with investing and working and don't want to do shit anymore
Good god I need to get to 500k.
I only have about 170k. How can I make it? FUCK I missed the SPY dip didn't I. I thought it would be retarded to by when entire states are just shutting down.
Buying that could've thrown me over 200k.

>>19570902
>>19570884

I have a propensity towards long-term trading. I am considering just sitting in the airlines long term, not sure yet tho.

>>19568620
>>19570872
>index ETF
I'm beginning to think that after a crash the best way to go is to pick leveraged ETFs.

>>19567559
Having 150k invested isn't that hard. I exclusively invest in dividend companies because you never have to sell them.
It's a little more complex than that as well. It depends on how much the shares were when you bought them. Dividend yields are based on current stock price so the higher the price of the stock the lower the yield. The payout amount will typically keep going up if its a good company so if you bought a lot of shares early and cheap then you will get a better return than someone who bought late with a higher share price.
Dividends are the master race.

>>19571019
You can turn that 170k into 500k by the end of the year if you invest smart. I genuinely suggest Air Canada, because they are down enough for a triple, are Canadians biggest airlines, and have very large amounts of cash on hand. They have large debt, which is the same as any other airlines, but their cash flow puts them far ahead. Personally If I were you I'd put 120k in there right away, and take 25k and put it into a few oil stocks, and the other 25k in 3X ETF's, either DPST or DFEN (may want to wait for a drop on those).

If you hit 500k before Sept, pull out, and wait a year for things to actually settle down. If you don't have 500k by sept, but you've doubled your money (likely), I'd still pull out completely by Sept and wait a year before going back in.

>>19571082
This crash has made me by chance to buy divie stocks. I don't get it desu, I feel like once these guys start paying out divies again its not really going to be a substantial amount. Are yall just holding divie stocks super long-term? I have my settings on my broker to auto-reinvest divies for now.

>below is hodlings

>>19567559
dividend is when a company hates money and their shareholder so they freely give to govt
it's stock buyback now

I want some exposure to airlines but I feel late to the party. Do you guys think JETS is still a decent long-term hold?

>>19571116
Thank of a snowball. As it rolls it grows. Divvy stocks are the same. As the years pass it grows. You can buy more shares each month to increase the growth rate. Then when the time comes (retirement) simply flip off the drip switch for all that money to get dumped into your account 4x a year

>>19571075
I am doing that. But you do have to be active with looking at it. A trailing stop helps but its protracted crabbing that is your enemy.
Unleveraged ETFs are "set and forget". Less gains but requires minimal attention

401k is a scam.

>>19571116
Companies only even begin to pay out a dividend when they are at a level of size and market share that makes them basically blue chip. The only exceptions are MLPs and REITs because of their corporate tax structure.
With dividend paying stocks you never need to sell the shares. With stocks that only focus on capital appreciation you do. But once you sell a stock that stock is gone. If you are tight on cash you can take a dividend payout and not fundamentally alter your portfolio / holdings. You can also use dividends to supplement your income for a semi-retirement strategy or you can live off them entirely. They can put into a trust and passed on to your children, etc. giving cash flow for generations.
My dividend strategy is to hold more than super long term, it's to hold forever. The only time I sell my shares is when I have a better use case for them. For example I sold my entire portfolio a couple years ago to invest in a private company which will give me a significantly greater ROI than what I was getting in the market.

>>19569628
Because we're not in a bubble

>>19569628
No QE.

>>19571166
I agree. My plan it to switch my bank stocks to HFU (x2 canadian financials) now because volatility is down (and the trend is finally upward). If bank stocks dump this week, HFU will dump double, but my bet is it will keep rising with the moving average by the end of the week and improving economic data.

WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT

>>19571219
thanks just sold 400k

>>19571291
ur welcome fren
:)

>>19568190
You would do well to take his advice. I do a lot of of lurking and watching, both on the internet and IRL. There's nothing wrong with not buying something, either.
The best advice I have: don't fuck with options, don't get FOMOd, and don't invest in anything Chinese. They are yellow jews. Don't buy that kike car glass that gets shilled here, either. Just leave it be.
Pic is basically from April 6th to now. I didn't use my Robincuck much before that. As you can see I've done okay. Not great considering the opportunity that came with the crash and my tardiness to join, but I didn't panic or get emotional the couple of times I made bad trades.
Also think about your Roth IRA, mutual fund, that kind of shit. It's good to have different products. The Robincuck is my gambling/bar money that I've decided to (attempt to) build up. Either way I'm retiring at 50. Fuck this office cuck horseshit.

guys, according to research 97% of day traders lose money. I'm sort of doubting this number tbqh.

Have you made money trading so far?

https://www.strawpoll.me/20285698/

>>19571381
i make money temporally, and then lose it all again, so no

>>19571381
>day traders
What about week or month traders?

>>19571381
also dont overestimate the average "investor", read the investing.com chat on your favorite ticker or index and you will see

>>19571411
*and yes I made couple of loonies on my trades and all my "bags" are in the green, but I don't touch options or day trade.

>>19571411
>>19571423
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3423101

>97% of them lost money, only 0.4% earned more than a bank teller (US$54 per day), and the top individual earned only US$310 per day with great risk

yeah i agree a lot of retards are around, but 97% losing seems excessive.

idk how they defined day trading and such

>>19571291
>>19571219

My 204 shares of STOR made more for me in one day than my 968 shares of VDIGX.
Honestly thinking about selling my entire VDIGX position to buy more STOR and XOM , maybe RTX or DAL.

>>19571381
I said no because making money is beating at least spy imo. And after expenses I'm not (Canadian).

>>19571465
Bank teller is only 54 dollars a day? What the fuck

>>19571465
It's the first sentence in their pdf in the intro.
>Day trading is the activity of buying and selling the same financial asset on the same day in the same quantity

NEW >>19571529

>>19571489
I've been doing it since mid April only though. I was beating it until 2 weeks ago. I realized that even spy has bigger weightings on energy industrials and financials than my portfolio. I'm too invested on big tech MAGA (MSFT AMZN GOOG APPL) mostly because of the price of their shares. I also have too much healthcare compared to spy

>>19571506
It's about Brazil and Brazilian traders.

>>19571474
I've was going to start a 2k position on IVR Monday, but looking at STOR now. Any advantages over IVR?

Yeah there ain't nothing wrong with having several income streams. Long as it's making you money leave it alone. Sometimes the worst thing you can do is fuck with something. Ex: those who sold MRO at 6.00. Bet they wish they'd stayed in. Now if they moved all there profits into something else that went up then it'd be ok. But if that something else didn't move or went down, well they fucked themselves.

NEW NEW >>19571628

>>19566805
me2 anon

>>19566978
Do you need a degree? I'm currently unemployed with a History degree, and a university near me is offering free Contact Trace Investigator training. Think it's worth looking into?

>>19566763
dude i hate you are your photos of this woman