/biz/ - Business & Finance

Why not both? Have a wife and kids so my life has meaning, and I shit post while I'm supposed to be working, still earning my paycheck adn providing for my family.

>>19453765
How is having a wife and kids giving your life meaning? How is that pushing humanity forward in anyway?

>>19453855
Why do I care about humanity on a grander scale? Humanity is fine how it is and how it was. I'm happy, my wife is happy, my kids are happy, that's all that matters to me. You have a very distorted view on the meaning of life, what is this artificial goalpost we have to push humanities technical abilities towards for us to be successful? Then what? You aren't just some cog in some multi-generational machine to pump out some great human achievement, you are here to just live life, and in that process humans naturally progress in the goal of providing better comfort for their kids. If you don't have your own children why are you working so hard to improve the future?

>>19453473
implying elon doesnt shitpost on /biz/

>>19453765
>wife and kids
wow, something literally any dumb hick and poor African can do

such meaning wow

what do you do? What are your passions? Any significant other? There will always be a more “elite” club that you aren’t in, you shouldn’t compare others’ outsides to your insides

>>19453981
The goal post is not to push technology for the sake of technology but for the sake of a better life for all. There are so many obvious problems with the world, from health issues like cancer ruining people's lives to poverty and lack of good education to climate change and unsustainable energy usage, I could keep on going...
Pushing humanity forwards means helping develop solutions to improve the quality of life for all, I don't see how having a wife and kids does that in any way besides making yourself happy which is great but not particularly beneficial for anyone else.
Why would one need to have kids to want to improve the world? Do you not care for other humans but those who share your DNA? Besides, do you not benefit yourself if the world is better?

>>19454052
Making a family is probably one of the most meaningful things you can do, do you seriously think you’re above that since you were born into a generation with the internet?

>>19453855
no not really, most people are insignificant, you are not doing anymore to push humanity forward by slaving 80 hrs a week than the retard neets on 4chan. In the end you just need to do whatever fulfills you personally, whether that is shitposting on biz or launching rockets into space. Gatekeeping what people can find meaning and purpose in is cringe as fuck

>>19454028
wouldn't surprise me

>>19453473
nah not really, most people are insignificant, you are not doing anymore to push humanity forward by slaving 80 hrs a week than the retard neets on 4chan. In the end you just need to do whatever fulfills you personally, whether that is shitposting on biz or launching rockets into space. Gatekeeping what people can find meaning and purpose in is cringe as fuck

>>19454166
>based
/thread

I produce good dope

>>19453473
Don't feel sad Anon, I have a feeling most of those people would prefer to be half rich and Anonymous like us.
Too much money and exposure make them paranoid beasts.

>>19453473
I'd have been a peasant in medieval times as well, the only difference is that now I have a chance of making some money with internet coins before the normies massively catch on in a few years and buy myself a trip on the king's carriage. Or a rocket, or whatever

>>19454123
> In the end you just need to do whatever fulfills you personally
I agree with that. Ultimately my point is that having kids should not be done in order to give meaning to one's life (as that would be selfish) but rather as a recognition that life is beautiful and as such take a conscious decision to create more life and bring people into this world so that more people can have the chance to experience life.

>>19454075
It is wealth to be content

>>19454052
Except you apparently, how does that feel?

>>19454052
>>wife and kids
>wow, something literally any dumb hick and poor African can do
>such meaning wow


Except for you.

>>19454290
>>19454537
s e e t h e

>>19453473
in reality, they're just as clueless as you are. imagine yourself in their position.

okay, you made some contribution to that rocket getting to space. almost certainly it'd have gotten there without your particular contribution as well, someone else would have done the same, unless maybe if you're literally musk, then maybe it'd have taken some years longer to get here.

now what? you can build a bigger rocket? then what? you reach mars? then what? you colonize the entire universe? then what? they're just as clueless (actually often more due to lack of time / ability for self reflection) as you are.

>>19453473
It took thousands of people to get that ship into space. If you analyzed most of those people's lives individually, most would sitting scratching their asses.

>>19453473
If you have a job you are contributing. What you want is fame, not helping mankind. You don't have to send up a flashy rocket to make humanity better. Always remember the story of the stomach anon.

>>19453473
"Space", as in "outter space", as in "astronaut", is a MEME.

Mind boggling how high IQ people really fall for this one. The whole physics + science + hollywood really gets their juices flowing.

It's not real.

Question:

How to you control direction in the vacuum of space?

Didnt they send a rocket into space like 60 years ago? Whats the big deal?

>>19453765
>Have a wife and kids so my life has meaning
monkey and blue-pilled, how is that in ANY way meaningful to humanity except for your natural desire to mate and have kids? people like you disgust me

>>19454767
Are you honestly asking because you're curious? I need to know before I spend time answering

>>19454787
Ok KIKE!

And if you're not, you're brainwashed by them and don't know it.

>>19454752
>How to you control direction in the vacuum of space?

Rockets propel themselves using fuel that generates high-pressure gas. The movement of the exhaust gases away from the rocket body pushes the rocket in the forward direction, since the force exerted by the exhaust gas has an equal reaction in the opposite direction.
So, if the spacecraft has to turn left, the right-side propellers on the craft need to be ignited. In fact, it is easier to maneuver a spacecraft in space than in normal air. As the exhaust gas leaves the rocket engine, it must push away the surrounding air, which uses up some of the energy of the rocket. In space, the exhaust gases can escape freely.

>>19454861
The problem is that women thesedays are kikepilled, not everyone can find a good woman to live with, it's rare man and if you don't acknowledge that you're full of shit. You need some luck in this game

>>19453473
The most validating feeling is loving yourself enough to feel as if you do not have to comply with society’s general depiction of what a woman should be or look like. Loving yourself enough to stand up for what you believe in despite what others may think and loving yourself enough to know you are whole and in need of no one to be happy.

>>19454752
get outta here with your stupidity anon

>>19454093
Are you 14?

>>19454829
Yeah man, they put dudes on the moon! It's true, it was on TV!

They had cameras rolling when they got there, so we could check out the landing!

Science, crazy!

Do you even think?

>>19454895
Wrong reply or are you getting worked up about my sincere and honest question, lmfao

>>19454895

Another rat successfully launched into space. Wonder how many space rats are out there colonizing the solar system? This is the 2nd time this has happened btw

https://twitter.com/BeachMilk/status/1267018581633495040?s=20

>>19454889
>can't understand what this means
>this goes against what my teachers told me
>this guy must be retarded because...
>everybody knows space and stuff

Good luck with all your hopes and dreams.

>>19454635
You know was a fucking psycho weirdo that no one wanted to be around. It is a surprise that he didn't kill himself.

>>19454093
You have to go back

>>19454927
That's not a rat, that's condensation from the rocket fuel being extremely cold, dont you guys have some sort of flat earth forum where u can hang out? leave us adults be and stop wasting our time

>>19453855
Are you that dumb or are you trolling? It may not give meaning to you, but it gives meaning to the person starting a family. Life has a different for every individual. Pushing humanity is the collective efforts of society. So in that sense having kids is pushing humanity forward.

>>19453473
>- and there are people shitposting on /biz/
Feels good to be this guy though DESUUUUUU

>>19454927
florida is filthy

>>19454697
Then you move humanity forward and create options that were not there beforehand. You develop conscious understanding of the natural world and build on it.

Nihilism is an option. 'all is meaningless' But some people disagree fundamentally (thankfully).

>>19454948
no anon, you are right, and most of the world is collectively in on the conspiracy, and you, in your almighty intelligence, are the one who has been able to see the truth and you are seriously doing us such a favor by bestowing your knowledge on us all.

>>19453473
You’ve summed up how I’ve been feeling lately really well. It’s ironic as I’ve been reading Elon musks biography also.

Right now I’m sitting in the dark on the hottest day of the year in my room suit posting in between cooming with a maths book I should be studying on page 3 for the last month and a half surrounded by trash. Idk how to break out of this cycle.

>>19454973
They always have a quick explanation for these anomalies. Some times they’ll say that they have studied such matters in universities and have their respective diplomas to prove it, other times they’ll say they work directly in these fields. Notice the flat earth part thrown at the end. A real cutiepie this one.

t. non-medicated person

>>19453855
If you can’t do anything meaningful like building a rocket your kids will, or maybe their kids, or their kids kids. Everyone’s life is meaningful fren. One rule, do your best. That is all, do YOUR best :)

>>19455072
then you create options that were not there beforehand -> then what
then you develop concious understanding of the natural world and build on it -> then what

i'm not a nihilist ftr. i just said those working on the rockets aren't any less clueless about the meaning of their lives as op is. maybe happier because human beings like being praised by other human beings, but still clueless about the meaning of their existence and whether they're doing their life right or wrong. it's just easier to derail your attention from your existential dread when you're happy.

>>19455099
>non-medicated
u should be medicated

>>19454948
ad honinem is not a rational argument. Explain what it means since i concur you are a retarded brainlet until 'PROVEN' otherwise.

>>19453473
Elon doesn't create anything of value. All he does is drain the takes money from the tax payers.

>>19453981
good answer :) thanks for providing a rare and nuanced perspective to biz

Building rockets lol. Anyone with common sense knows space is a big fat fucking lie and that's why these so called space rockets don't go straight up but over and down into the conveniently placed ocean. Satellites are not in space. They hang off balloons. Research flat earth. You have been deceived

>>19455215
Remember biz, those are the people trying to sell you shitcoins

>>19454872
Is having wife and kids bluepilled, or is the problem you don't think there a women worth doing with?

You seem genuine enough so here's the dirty secret they won't tell you...

Men and Women are not equal. Everybody knows this.

Women are followers.

>women have been kiked
Yes. Society has been.

But, there are many, many, many women out there waiting for a guy to lead them.

It takes about 2 minutes to figure out if a woman is too far gone:

"Do you want to have kids? If so, when?"

Anons should look for answer in this vein/expand topic in this vein:

-as soon as possible.
-minimum wants 2 kids, 3 or more is better
-would like being stay at home mom AND willing to pass up education (and career) to do it

Women want to submit to a man. Women also live in kikes world, so many plan on education and career because what if they never meet a man that will give them any of it?

Problem is guys have been kiked as well, and fear the woman. They worship the woman because "hole".

The best game is no game. Just raw, unapologetic masculinity. Know what you want and start screening. The man provides everything but eggs and oven.

(And yes, there will be whores. What else is new?)

>>19454992
A person starting a family in order to fulfill a desire of fulfillment / meaning is selfish. One of the reasons this world is so fucked is because people can't see that and continue bringing more people into this world when they themselves don't even like it here (and thus try to fix that by having kids), absolute ape-like behavior which is sadly still prevalent in 2020.

People who can't see the value in life itself should not be allowed to have kids.

>>19455330
>>19455370
degenerate low iq filth

>>19455330
>>19455370
(you, not the people living wholesome lives that you're talking about)

>>19455330
Please correct your parents selfishness then and kill yourself

>>19455257
Tbf he's more likely to shill you gold. Xrp at a push.

>>19455330
wtf do you expect anon. Humans are a form of life and as such they are not exempt from the fact that the sole purpose of life is to continue itself and spread itself. Every single other living being on this planet have the only goals survival and reproduction.

so humans starting a family may be selfish, but desu it is the most fundamental aspect of life. Can you blame people for following their genetic code, as did every ancestor they had before them until the beginning of life itself?

in the scope of space travel, sending rockets into space is important because now life has reached a point where technology gives us power, the next logical point for life to spread out is into space, and to spread to other planets

>>19455375
You're right, I'm the degenerate. Not the people who insist on bringing people into this world when they wouldn't even choose to be there if they had a say in the matter. Let's just keep on creating more life so they have the wonderful opportunity to experience suffering.

>>19455108
Sure i'll concede that this might be the case for individual people working in these fields.

Nevertheless there is a point towards the total picture of moving humanity forward; which shitposting might be less so.

>>19455410
We get it, you have mommy and daddy issues. Go sulk somewhere else or find a therapist you pathetic cry baby

>>19455330
>>19455370
>keeping life going has no meaning
>people who can't see the value of life are retarded

Yes, yes anon, I see what you're saying...

>>19453473
The paradox is your desires ultimately hinge on being exceptional ergo you necessarily need for others to be shitposting losers to feel the gratification and glory of being a superior ubermensch titan of industry. Thus it is hypocritical to lament the obstacles to success when what you actually desire is for those obstacles to be absent in your case but present in the case of others. Your complaint isn’t that the world is intrinsically unfair, but rather that it is not unfair to your benefit.
If you had to choose between a 50/50 chance of being a billionaire in the next life or a pajeet, or a 100% chance of living in a world where all resources, skills, talents, and attractiveness where distributed equally which would you choose?

>>19455400
We're not like any other life form, we're conscious, that means we can take the decision to have kids or not. Do you know of any other life form (at least on this earth) that is able to reason about whether it makes sense to procreate and whether the newborns would be able to live in a good world? Only humans can do that, and as such we should do better than use the cheap excuse that life is all about reproduction.

>>19455410
nothing wrong with experiencing a life of suffering you absolute fucking brainlet. many things in this world can only be truly understood via suffering. without suffering your so far cheered "progress" would come to halt too.

>>19455486
its not really a cheap excuse though. its a simple truth. And yes some humans have decisions on whether or not it is right to have kids, and some dont. I see you are complaining but to what end? what do you want to happen?

i understand that we can choose not to reproduce, we can choose to do other things. and that is our individual choice. But on the whole, we are designed to reproduce, and that will never not be a fact.

>>19453981
Why are you having children if heat death of the universe will kill everything?

>>19455557
and when i say designed, i dont mean intelligent design

>>19455551
There is indeed nothing intrinsically wrong with experiencing a life of suffering. It is however wrong to experience such a life, find it all meaningless, and then try to fix this feeling of meaningless by having kids. What will you tell your kids when they ask you what's the meaning of life? There is no objective, global truth, but there is a subjective answer for everyone. If the best you can come up with is: 'Have kids', you're just an ape.

>>19455576
Right. Because coded software is obviously designed by intelligence, but coded life on earth is from pure luck and happenings.

t.DNA

>>19455400
so these many fraudlent fertility doctors with dozens/hundreds of kids are more successful than anyone else in the world? you really think you'd die knowing you lived a better life than 99.999999% of men who fathered less children than you, if you did it by lying to women about the sperm donors?

people like you will be viewed in the future like true religious fundamentalist from the dark ages are viewed today. you have the same iq and same gullibility. we are not our genes no matter how hard our extremely limited knowledge about our place in the universe implies that as of right now.

>>19455614
>It is however wrong to experience such a life, find it all meaningless, and then try to fix this feeling of meaningless by having kids.
yeah i agree on that. in general attempts of running away from your own thoughts by forcing yourself to do something that you hope will make you not have to face them often have catastrophical outcome.

>>19455557
I complain about people having kids for selfish reasons (i.e. fix their own unhappiness) because it is the cause for a lot of suffering and has to stop. What kind of environment do you think kids grow up in when parents rely on their kids to find meaning? It's unhealthy

>>19455630
evolution, anon

>>19455635
hahahaha i never said reproduction was the only meaning to life. but in terms of life itself, it is the most fundamental meaning

>religious fundamentalist
hahahah okay but you know nothing about me or my beliefs (or lack thereof). I dont think anything matters in the grand scheme of things, there is no form of cosmic justice, or "god". But in terms of life itself, the most basic meaning is to make more of itself.
The meaning of the experience of life though, is what you make of it yourself.

i seem to have triggered a lot of tards that stand no chance at reproducing lmfao

>>19455635
>we are not our genes
not completely. i think nurture plays more of a role in shaping a person, but the clay they are made out of is the genetics

>>19454948
are you unironically a flatearther?

>>19455743
well, look at it this way: in order for any kind of choice to exist, there needs to be a form of causation in the universe we haven't been able to observe yet. not only in physics, we can't even build a mathematical model that contains such causation.

EVERYTHING in the world according to what we currently understand about it (which might be less than 0.000001% of what's actually there is to it) is caused by either a past event or randomness, exclusively.

which means every decision that happens in your brain either happens due to something in the past, or a random outcome. you never actually have choice.

i personally like to live my life in a mentality that leaves open the possibility that i actually have an effect on it, at least until it's proven otherwise. which, it has NOT been. yeah we're aware of all these events that are definitely a cause of past / very likely a casue of randomness, but there's no proof that every event is.
the universe may have some form of meaning, maybe in a shape we couldn't possibly comprehend even if it was laid out to us due to the limited capabilities of our minds.

i live my life according to a way that leaves open the possibility that i might have free choice, that the universe might have a meaning, and that i might be somehow something more than my genes and the past events that happened to me throughout this life.

>>19455179
smile posts always suck

>>19453473
it's a special kind of hell knowing that I was born in the right place and time to become one of the few useful people right now, but my parents had such awful mindsets, retarded privileges, and lived such careless lives that they taught me to be hollow and meaningless, giving me an empty consumer mind. They were the first generation of their lineages not forced to work awful hard lives in fields and they wasted it on fast cars and drugs. Those are the goals they instilled in me. While I dreamed of being an astronaut they pushed me to towards getting drunk and having sex. American culture is designed to make people useless, and my parents enjoyed making me useless, they think they're good parents because of it. My only consolation in my impotent rage is that everything in this world was working against me from day one and I never had anyone on my side to seriously raise me to realize how hollow it all was. The institutions I was put through were designed to make me this way, they worked, and now all I'm being given as a carrot to completely change my way of life and spend the rest of my life re-adjusting, re-training, sobering up, and paying off loans is a slightly bigger house.

>>19455743
well, look at it this way: in order for any kind of choice to exist, there needs to be a form of causation in the universe we haven't been able to observe yet. not only in physics, we can't even build a mathematical model that contains such causation.

EVERYTHING in the world according to what we currently understand about it (which might be less than 0.000001% of what's actually there is to it) is caused by either a past event or randomness, exclusively.

which means every decision that happens in your brain either happens due to something in the past, or a random outcome. you never actually have choice.

i personally like to live my life in a mentality that leaves open the possibility that i actually have an effect on it, at least until it's proven otherwise. which, it has NOT been. yeah we're aware of all these events that are definitely a cause of past / very likely a casue of randomness, but there's no proof that every event is.
the universe may have some form of meaning, maybe in a shape we couldn't possibly comprehend even if it was laid out to us due to the limited capabilities of our minds.

i live my life according to a way that leaves open the possibility that i might have free choice, that the universe might have a meaning, and that i might be somehow something more than just the sum of my genes and the past events that happened to me throughout this life.

>>19453473
Could be worse, you could be actually destroying property and stealing from small shop owners then justifying it by complaining about a druggie dying.

>>19455305
Having a wife and kids is based. If you’re redpilled you should find the right one. It’s blue pilled if you’re a blue pilled onions cuck though, obviously. Anyway why are you asking biz you know the answer already. Become who you want to be and your soul mate will come into your life. People are strange, life is strange. Learn the patterns and find happiness.

>>19455703
>evolution

Wow, that's deep. Really thought about it didn't you?

You really deep thoughts person of understands and knawledge wow. Guru master guy. Impress.

Tell me teacher, are you retard?

>>19455923
determinism is a whole conversation in itself.

>i live my life according to a way that leaves open the possibility that i might have free choice, that the universe might have a meaning, and that i might be somehow something more than just the sum of my genes and the past events that happened to me throughout this life.

you are very hopeful anon. Much more likely is that there is no cosmic reason tho. and because of that, you can ascribe whatever meaning you want to it

>>19456019
need i go into detail about how evolution works?
how do you suggest humans came to be? god?
>lol

>>19455020
Fucking kek

Alright I'm finally buying Kleros

>>19455577
are you retarded? it will happen in gazillion of years, we'll be extinct much earlier retard