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well how you wanna engineer the thrust system?
From footage those UFO fly fast asf.

>>19382083
read "le mur du silence" by Jean Pierre Petit (french).
He shows how you could theorically create an UFO using a powerfull energy source, ionized gases and magnetif field

>>19382083
/mur/ - Making Ufos Real General

4channel /biz/ is the perfect home for such a business venture. I'll make the logo.

>>19382083
Rapidly moving mercury produces a gravity repelling effect. Mechanism is unknown.

Niggas look at this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufcsOjy9D1c

>>19382177
WE NEED TO FIND THIS DUDE
THIS DUDE IS NIKOLA TESLA 2.0 IN OUR TIMELINE

Himmler came to Tibet to read some hindu texts to learn how to make fighter planes and saucers

>>19382177
>>19382194
Half schizo con man spilled by glow niggers.

>>19382129
Why not, fucking boomer are keeping this shit from us. It's our time to rise.

>>19382134
I understand the concept but posting it will 100% get this thread 404'ed. Let's just say mercury is used because it creates very little friction when moving, also its heavy.

Think about it in terms of centripetal force being transferred into linear force.

>>19382110
Ya people say mach 10 would kill you but that is not entirely true. If you were submerged in water while in a cockpit you could pull 200g and survive. Like a lot of people I actually saw something in the night sky suddenly accelerate to insane speeds once.

>>19382299
How do they keep it moving?

https://youtu.be/VyOtIsnG71U

Quantum levitation>ferric mercury levitation

this https://youtu.be/WffR6HrEqTA
+
this
https://youtu.be/MsCUmXLWtf4
= ufo

>>19382083
I have no idea, but if I did, I would look into terahertz and metamaterials.

We can ask the ayys

>>19382653
ie reality is a field that can be controlled as arbitrarily as we can control the surface of water with resonance and oscillation. The amount of energy to create a local field you desired geometry is reduced by how accurately you can oscilate something that affects the field. Piezo watches are accurate to a second in a year

>>19382423
Imagine a system like in this picture, except instead of making electrons spin in the coil you are using mercury.

Pic will probably get us 404'ed but o well

>>19382591
Did you just make this kek

>>19382952
>inertia
ngmi

>>19382110

There is no thrust system. You are moving liquid mercury in a centripetal manner then transforming the centripetal momentum into linear momentum to my understanding.

>>19383020
>>19383043

>>19383020
I whipped that up in like 15 minutes. Literally puts out orders of magnitude more thrust then this bullshit ( pic related )

Inertia is the answer. Do you even have a better idea.

>>19383068
build a bigger one with a higher q factor

>>19383126
Resonance & EM are bullshit in my eyes.

Why is everyone so infatuated with glowie bread crumbs that either don't work or hardly do at all.

Does someone have something inertia related? Would be cool if something pic related was already done.

>>19382573
it's not about floating, it's about circumventing (or straight up ignoring) the spacetime fabric via field generation. it involves interdimensionality and requires the type of ultra exotic materials we do not and will not have access to; ie materials formed near accretion disks or from magnetars. it's possible that some eyeball worlds could produce some of the material in small amounts. the crafts exist but mankind won't be able to reproduce them effectively due to resource distribution.

Actual retard schizo larper shitposting. Belongs in /x/ until you have a proven concept, then /sci/ until you have a basic functioning 6DoF model, then /biz/. See you in 50 years.

>>19383179
>Resonance & EM are bullshit in my eyes.
why?
reality is a wavefunction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory#Overview
We can control the shape of that wavefunction the same way we control the water surface here >>19382653

Rotate Mercury very very fast

what happens if you put mercury in a tibetan singing bowl? https://youtu.be/OOcb38qAHGY

>go below absolute zero
>reprogram reality atom by atom
>fuck your own mother
>become your own dad

>>19383223
/sci/ is full of brainwashed collage grads who just default to "first law of thermodynamics" or "Newton's third law" when something causes a error in their programming.

/X/ does not have the IQ points to tell glowie bait apart from science.

Unfortunately /biz/ is the best bet. I know for a fact there are a few millionaires on here at any given time. Odds are someone has a document or special knowledge to dump on here.

>>19383244
Everett is the only correct interpretation. You lost me at reality is a wave function. I will give the pool videos a look in a second though.

>>19383192
Relativistic Superfluid spinning in 2 torus'es with one being slightly smaller and above the large one. This creates a egg shaped warp in spacetime/gravity and pulls the whole "UFO" towards the center of gravity that now happens to be above it.

That word salad is a far cry from a practical apparatus though.


I want to see some legitimate inertia based systems, Preferably mercury based.

>>19382083
Nice thread, but please post some relevant Wikipedia & Quora links so we can do our own research

>>19383387
>Everett is the only correct interpretation. You lost me at reality is a wave function.
sounds like the contained wavefunction that is your consciousness is pretty far from the equilibrium state aka the truth

>>19383417
Everett is misinterpreted all the time.

Basically everything splits into equality real alternative realities at every possible opportunity on the quantum scale for a alternative event to occur.

If you put a gun to your head and pulled the trigger the gun would jam because you can only observe realities in which you are alive. This has nothing to do with consciousness or anything. You actually did blow your head off in pretty much every other reality everyone else is observing.

This is why you think you can change things by observing them.

>>19382982
yeah

>>19383478
>Everett is the only correct interpretation. You lost me at reality is a wave function.
you are the only one that has misinterpreted it

>>19383391
Nothing out there but glowie bait. I am waiting for a OG to dump something legit I can build in CAD with a CNC mill or some shit.

>>19383305
Yaaaaa what's step 2 anon. I am 90% sure rotating mercury is the way though.

>>19383479
if I make another thread I will use it

/mur/ - Making Ufos Real General

>>19383525
sounds good anon

>>19383508
why try this >>19383329
wouldn't be surprised if it produced a current

Ok friends new meme

I simplified it for the average IQ on this board. The self reset'ing coil gun meme was obviously to complex.

I present the gun in a box meme. Now how do I do this with mercury friends?

>>19383693
>The self reset'ing coil gun meme was obviously to complex.
it's like an electric piston, it may have been complex 300 years ago

maybe you should stick to CAD?

>>19383537
But will the jannies approve of such off topicness??

>>19383705
Kek you didn't see the part where part of the momentum from one of the iron slugs is turn into heat resulting in one side gaining more momentum. The whole point is the tube would accelerate in space without ejecting reaction mass.

Guess I am proven right it was far to complex. Good thing I dumbed it down.

>>19383774
Remember anon this is an extremely profitable /biz/ness venture

>>19383782
I understand that but it's still just a piston

>>19383774
This is totally /biz/ material. Why not make this thing and sell it to Elon Musk.

Why should Musk have to waste time with rockets because of invention secrecy act bullshit keeping the good stuff away from him.

Also is this enough mercury for a small scale system?

>>19383797
elon musk is the CIAs impersonation of Tony Stark

>>19383796
Let's put it this way if you put that thing in a box and floated the box on water, the box would move. It's a closed system that moves without reaction mass. That is the point.

Now lets just figure out how to do that on steroids so it can beat gravity because a pussy little coil gun set up isn't going to fly straight up and hover like a mini ufo.

We need ultra heavy stuff like mercury & a complex spinning thing.

>>19383808
Why does everyone thing Elon glows?

He is litteraly shitting on the NWO medical tyranny plans on his Twitter every single day.

>>19383833
he is literally trying to put a chip in your brain.
he can barely string two sentences together

>>19383797
Kek at the mercury bottle sealed with painter's tape

You are on the right track fren. A cousin of mine made a spinny thing that floated. Men in black showed up to his college and forced him to sign papers.

Fuck da fed and fuck boomers. Lets make a UFO.

>>19383823
>It's a closed system that moves without reaction mass. That is the point.
no it's not https://youtu.be/EIKVyvHJNVU
you are not going to get an inertial system to replicate https://youtu.be/auITEKd4sjA

>>19383848
I am totally down for some ghost in the shell shit. Neuralink is our step to becoming immortal cyborgs why would you fud it?

>>19383873
Kek it's not a engine brainlet

Refer to pic & replace gun with a more complex mercury rotating system.

redpill me on mercury

>>19383885
>becoming immortal cyborgs
>literal Illuminati agenda
I'm starting to detect a faint luminescence from yourself actually

>>19383900
Stirling engine meets your criteria of no reaction mass. and yours isn't a closed system the heat has transfer out

>>19383387
They are rapidly rotating Bose Einstein condensates, not mercury.
https://m.fark.com/comments/4371964/50903132/Scientists-think-warp-driven-starships-may-be-possible-one-day-at-least-until-some-acting-ensign-pulls-o#c50903132

>>19382083
glownigger here. dont f around. i am serious

>>19383975
and how do you make a Bose Einstein condensate? deconstructive interference.
waves. oscillation, resonance
gravity can point anyway you want it to >>19383244


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonoluminescence

>>19383913

> sterling engine
Good luck making your sterling engine hover. We are trying to make shit hover bro.

> redpill me on mercury
Kills people when they eat it. Probably powers UFO's. Red mercury is probably just mercury doped with a surfactant & Fe to make it magnetic.

> I'm starting to detect a faint luminescence from yourself actually
Don't compare scientific progress to Gates Foundation Eugenics.

>>19382083
>They tried the same bullshit with the laser, the only reason we have lasers now is because some autist decided to tell everyone instead of patenting it unlike everyone else who discovered the laser before him.
Source?

>>19383996
>We are trying to make shit hover bro.
you should be trying for non inertial acceleration

>>19383996
Red mercury is the code for 6-lithium deuteride, the hydride component in a thermonuclear weapon. Mercury has no super-state (i.e. superconductive and superfluid state simultaneously). A material like Helium 3/4 does, however.

>>19382083
nigger you cant hvae ufo tech first without developing a unified theory of quantum gravity. get to work. or follow up here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingless_Electromagnetic_Air_Vehicle

>>19382113
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingless_Electromagnetic_Air_Vehicle

>>19383975
Ya Superfluid that is beyond what I can do in a show with a used HASS cnc mill. There are other ways to do this.

>>19383984
I don't doubt it and I am not even 10% serious. But seriously bro at what point does this all implode. Half the scientists I talk to know airlines are a scam because they only need a little fuel to get off the ground before they start burning the NOx in the air.

And now this Gates Foundation bullshit. At what point do the best and brightest in America just fuck off the Tanzania or something to let this shit hole rot. Seriously why should I stay here and wage cuck for artificial boomer monopolies.

>>19383993
He3 at like 4 Kelvin then just spin it in a torus with magnets or something. Accelerate to relativistic speeds to warp gravity. You need a smaller one above it to create a egg shaped warp field so the center of gravity is always above your craft.

>>19384071
there is only one field planets, suns, electrons, protons etc are all the same thing on different scale
the waves are the same field but they accumulate as you scale up i.e a golf ball will be guided by a 2 inch diameter crack in the pavement but a basketball will not

>>19383998
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Gould

Basically glow niggers shut him up and took his invention. He had to fight for years after some autist named Theodore Maiman just spammed the laser in all the publications before glowies could redact it.

Fucking glow niggers. They would still let us live in a world without laser fiber internet and such if no one just published it for the lulz.

>>19384040
No refer to the gun in box. Inertia is the quickest easiest way to make a ufo hover and zip away at mach 10.

>>19384050
Ya Superfluid is cool and all but beyond what you could manufacture for a flying car or something. That kind of setup would cost billions.

>>19382083
glownigger here. i am just a simple data abalyst but i pick up on things. in short, the powers that be don't like it when citizens try to change technology on a fundamental level. i have no doubt that some of the stuff you guys are talking about is no longer science fiction. we glowies gossip alot among ourselves so take it with a grain of salt but from the gossip i heard we are already capable of zapping through the skies. honestly my job fucks me up sometimes and i feel like an absolute retard when i hear scientists discuss theories.

>>19382134
>>19382299
Based. The Vimanas (flying machines) of the Hindu religion are said to have used mercury.

>>19384166
don't need to believe you to know that

>>19384157
the ufos the pentagon confirmed change velocity faster than is possible with inertial acceleration.

>>19383508
some kind of magnets or electricity

Just bend dimensions and ride the timewave bro

>>19384235
irrevocably based https://youtu.be/Hygj2wRODCE

I think the 'electric universe' theory is a key to this. It considers gravity to be a product of electromagnetism...and therefore perhaps reversible? Unlike a wave, or a particle or whatever. Worth looking into.

>>19384249
electric is less correct a description than dualistic
https://youtu.be/TdYM0vNufwc

you can have currents of things other than electrons

>>19384166
The problem is 'they' treat us like children. I am sick of hearing stories about some scientist who made a model UFO in his spare time being paid a "visit"

It's not even rare anymore for me to talk to a engineer even more black pilled then me. I mean at what point did the government's job description include propping up monopolies by censoring compleating technologies. Definitely goes against the free market.

We are all Sick of old luddite scum running things even if we put up with it. Seriously it's a huge problem. I am just trolling here but most engineering undergrads figured this stuff out despite what those in power think.

>>19384302
https://youtu.be/7tkOqqEltwc

>>19384225
That's midwit logic

A true engineer knows all you need to do in order to launch a human with a instant mach 10 acceleration is water immersion. If you are submerged then you feel practically no changes in G force up to maybe 200g.

>>19384287
What if I told you electrons don't exist? It's all fields. Trying to share a doc here but it's too large and I'm a boomer

>>19382083

Hitler had flying saucers so you're not allowed to have them.

>>19384320
its not about gs its about infinities. instantaneous velocity change is non inertial

>>19384333
i would say you're wrong, plenty of evidence particles exist
https://youtu.be/e4hiSgiGloo
https://youtu.be/72DA4fgamPE
https://youtu.be/5K_4b-I1snM
https://youtu.be/Xm_6Gi4Jqbg

in fact the waves are non local

>>19382591

Cool

>>19384366
Got a protonmail? I'll send you something interesting. Assuming you won't crash my plane with no survivors.

>>19384388
nope just tell me where you got it and I'll go get it.

if you can't say something in a few sentences it's probably not worth saying

>>19384388
I am interested

Let me find a upload site 4 u

>>19384401
nevermind then

>>19384388
anonfiles doot com seems to work

>>19384347
Based and Bell pilled

>>19384435
sure does look like something with a high Q factor

>>19384426
I'm being told that my post is spam.. hang on

>>19384426
A wizard gave me this. Enjoy.
The site you suggested, followed by:

/99J8283bo2/Q-Mechanics_Book_pdf

>>19382129
Ah yes, I'll add it to the list of spectacularly failed and stupid shit /biz/ did

>>19382276
saucer sauce

>>19384458
Just remove the . And / stuff I can figure it out

>>19384544
See above.

>>19384473
intresting, based aussie authors

>>19384456
The bell was full of spinning shit bro the EM stuff is glowie bait. Some of my family was paperclip, I heard things.

Inertia systems are the way

>vimana is bell shaped
project bluebeam is unironically happening. maybe by paper clipped nazis.
speed records stop around death of kennedy and establishment of petro dollar >>19384213

>>19384593
guy that has been #inertia and von bra... I mean elon all thread now admits his family is paperclip.
I wouldn't come to your dumb even if you invited me

>>19384622
Don't you want to fuck some reptoid babes in their hollow erf?

>>19384593
a bell is a resonant structure you moron, it is a shape that has been optimised for a high q factor

>>19384637
forgot pic

>>19384635
I know of a few caves near by if the sun turns red and the day doesn't end

Don’t waste your time into Mercury. Think more in terms of Tesla and harnessing the EM waves. I’ll get back to you tomorrow with the book name but it completely changed my view on this phenomenon.
I totally believe the ancients pre flood harnessed some sort of similar UFO system to travel within the earths resonance to reach everywhere quickly + float blocks into place.

>>19384582
It looks pretty low brow to me. The math Is elementary school grade.


As long as we are off topic this is the most woke thing I have ever seen someone publish. It's like the paper was written half assed as a after thought and it still managed to be revolutionary.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0503052&ved=2ahUKEwjLhJWhvNbpAhUhoFsKHYlyD2IQFjABegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw2t_F9dvmk6aWQ5qdQKNe11

>>19384658
>sun turns red
meant to say moon
is this real https://youtu.be/B_zfMyzXqfI you dumb fascists?

>>19382952
inb4 v&

>>19384687
Keep reading. You might get something out of it. Not saying it's completely there, but it offers some very interesting ways of thinking. For what it's worth, the man who gave it to me claimed to know literal ayys.

>>19384678
there were times like that, but it was 90% their innate magickal power. They used crystals to empower that ability. it was a science, but it wasn't technology.

>>19382134
>>19382299
Science still supposedly can't explain how bicycles stay upright. They've made several theories regarding centri-whatever forces (like the gyroscope theory or the caster theory), but all of those have supposedly been easily debunked.

Maybe a similar principle is at work here. I wouldn't be surprised if they just accidentally design something that works but they don't fully understand (like the bicycle was), and just build off of that.

Its starting to look like another pseudo science word salad thread.

Can we get back to the fact that gun in box meme breaks a litteral "law" of physics.

How do we do that (pic related) but with heavy mercury and continuously.

Why is it possible to build ufos but not possible to turn normal people to chads? I just want to be handsome

>>19384678
if you made a resonator from quartz that was tuned to natural frequencies you would have free electricity.
I'm pretty sure if you made a tree out of a conductive material it would produce a current as a function of its height, resistance and surface area per volume. https://youtu.be/2rVdEhyMR6A

>>19384754
I'm already handsome. Just want a flying saucer

>>19384778

>>19384782
I want to be handsome

>>19384749
do your grandparents look like voldemort yet?

>>19384754
Not even science can fix uggos

>>19384874
There must be a way

>>19384213
ah yes the graph with 50 year old data, very useful.

>>19384918
please give me the rest of the data

or do you think data goes bad with age?

>>19384778
what's that other thing that optimizes m2/m3?
what's the q factor of a human skull?

So are glowies LARP'ing as schizo's going to spam this thread into oblivion or what.....

Happens every fucking time. I refuse to believe this many brainlets can come out of the wood works at the drop of a hat.

>>19385052
>Some of my family was paperclip
are shit arguments genetic?

>>19382134
>>19382299
>>19382134
>>19382423
Actual PhD in quantum chemistry here, I will address the mercury question.

Mercury is diamagnetic, meaning that it is weakly repelled by a magnetic field. The opposite is paramagnetic, like oxygen, which is attracted by a magnetic field. It all depends on outer electron parity (pairing).

In principle, a material diamagnetic enough would generate a force opposing the MF of the earth. If the said force was equal to the material's weight, then you get levitation. If you add thrust, you get your UFO. But here comes the reality check:

The earth's magnetic field is about 50 microTesla. In comparison, a fridge magnet is around 5 milliTesla; this means that a fridge magnet is 1000 more powerful than the earths magnetic field.

Seeing how your thermometer doesn't levitate just like that, I doubt any contraption will. I can see how the "spinning" mercury bit could align the forces or some shit like Magic Angle Spinning does in NMR, but the numbers are still very unfavorable.

>pic related
The diamagnetic constant of the pyrolytic graphite is 13x times larger than mercury, and the magnets below are about 1 Tesla (1.000.000x stronger than this planet).

>>19384754
Chemistry and Physics does what you tell it to do.
Biology is a stubborn bitch that refuses to do what it's told. (Sure fruits and vegetables you can practice bio-engineering on but good luck telling those retarded mammal cells to respect your vision)

>>19384712
do you know how to contact Steven and Terry or if they have any online presence?

>>19385110
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg15420771-600-frog-defies-gravity/?ignored=irrelevant

In this article, they used a 16T magnet to lift a frog, which costs a few million to make and is millions of times more powerful than that of the earth, again.

Using mercury is out of the question. What you need is a material SO paramagnetic, it would have to have so many unpaired electrons it would be more unstable than the faggots on /b/

>>19385110
I am only thinking of using mercury because it is A heavy and B low friction coefficient

The objective is to spin it around and redirect the flow to cause ( pic related) effect.

At best dope'ing it with Fe would be just to move it around without impeller's.

>>19385195
Brainlet suggestion here but what if; helium and mercury together?

>>19385195
Meh try shooting electrons via static electricity at a Hercules beetles inner wing shells. Nature has that one figured out even it we do not.

>>19385406
I mean if you can somehow make a Superfluid out of mercury that would be epic. It freezes before we can even try though. Probably need a epic surfactant to even try.

>>19382952
The force gets applied to those coils bro.

And probably in a more efficient manner than the collision you showed on the left side. If anything, this would sloely move right but would still be a tremendous waste of energy

>>19384749
That image in no way breaks Newton's third law of motion. The forces at impact are equal but the resulting kinetic energy in the bodies is function of the force and weight.

>>19383693
Youre fucking retarded.

>>19385406
Why the suggestion?
Helium is paramagnetic so it is attracted by magnetic field, and the effect would cancel out.
It is also very expensive and the planet is running out of it.
>>19385432
huh?
>>19385389
Newton's law aint rekt, the reason rotation stops is due to the anticlockwise force applied by the cartridge and the gases, not the bullet.

>>19385473

> If anything, this would sloely move right but would still be a tremendous waste of energy

Finally someone that gets it. The whole point is it slowly moves. Also it would go left not right because some of the momentum from the iron slugs going right is transferred into waste heat due to passing through the induction coil on the right.

The induction coil on the left is open so the iron slugs going to the left passes unimpeded.

>>19385505
An outside observer just sees a object in free space suddenly somehow moving on a XYZ plane. It breaks Newton's third law from his perspective at least.

>>19385512
Elaborate

>>19384951
why are you asking me? It's on you to prove airspeed records stay logarithmic.

>>19385603
>An outside observer just sees a object in free space suddenly somehow moving on a XYZ plane. It breaks Newton's third law from his perspective at least.

You have no idea what you are talking about, do you? Why even try?

>>19385557

The inner part of a beetle shell has strange lifting effects when combined with the static electricity & resonance of the wings.

Did you think Hercules beetles could fly because they "flap really really hard" or something because you would be wrong. It's less aerodynamic and more static electric resonance of some exotic form. Few have studied it well enough but the science is there. Scarab beetles are another example.

I haven't really looked into it because it seems like something that would be hard to commercialize even if it did work.

>>19385557
> Newton's law aint rekt, the reason rotation stops is due to the anticlockwise force applied by the cartridge and the gases, not the bullet.

Ok let's replace the gun with a coil gun. Now there is no carriage or gasses. Riddle me that.

>(cracks knuckles) Ok. Here, I'm going to be in so much trouble for this if anyone believes it, but like I posted in a previous thread in 2004, all ya gotta do is tell the truth and no one believes it anyway. I did get a horrified comment from someone at the state dept but everyone on the thread blew it off.
>Einstein's first forays into general relativity were spawned by Ernst Mach's theories. Later, once GR was out, there were Machian universe solutions discovered, and although the deSitter model is more mainstream, the Machian universe is the way to go

>>19384749
> How do we do that (pic related) but with heavy mercury and continuously.

Well I'm not rich or anything which is why I'm in this board trying to make it, but I believe you canmake pic related but with heavy mercury by creating the same design rotation of the pic related then you put liquid mercury inside something molded in a certain way so mercury can make the same move as the gun when shot but remember the mercury gonna have to be activated by electricity like in this video here, then to cause the bullet effect you put a bullet inside the mercury again "inside a shaped thing that shoots the bullet and and make the mercury move in certain direction".
And why would the bullet shot itself out of the mercury? well you know why, bullets are lighter than mercury liquid so when mercury moves fast by electricity activation it will automatically shoots the bullet out

Sorry for poor grammar, and Idk if I'm going in the right direction here, just trying my best if you help me out we can try it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSIzyk5Mjko

>>19385615
exponential or sigmoidal not logarithmic you uneducated retard.

I'm not saying they have to, I'm saying if we see a craft travelling at 100,000km/hr https://youtu.be/auITEKd4sjA it's not aliens and it's not unexpected

>In a nutshell, Mach had this for a thought experiment. If you were alone in a universe, with no other matter, what speed are you going? If you accelerate, what speed are you going NOW? Would acceleration in such a universe produce the normal effects of inertia? He concluded it would not, and his postulate was that the properties of "inertia" and "mass" were dependent on the existence of external matter, possibly mediated through the electromagnetic force with the photon as the exchange particle.

>The question becomes, if you could "make it didn't happen" by isolating yourself from the background history of the universe's EM, could you decouple your test mass from the Machian background 'drag' inflicted on it by the EM from distant stellar masses.

>The solution ended up involving one of those setups where you effectively slow the speed of light in a medium drastically, which is one reason why you always see the military and DARPA involved with the large scale projects involving that technology. You surround your test mass with a medium that has that property, and you spin it rapidly so that any em field penetrating it has to spiral in forever. If you've ever heard the term bandied about amongst the UFOlogists about a "magnetic field disrupter", that's what it's for, and why. Only you never hear why you'd want to disrupt a magnetic field, or why that would make something easier to accelerate. Until today. (tada!) It's a Mach Effect shield. No one on the inside uses the term 'magnetic field disruption' outside of reference to the ubiquitous rumor, though, and it's got jack to do with mercury plasma. The first ones were liquid helium, although it doesn't work nearly as well as later media.

>>19382083
look upTesla, if there truth to Teslas inventions, then it's exactly what you are looking for. You should also check out "Alien" encounters from Brazilian people. They talk about how the "Aliens" explained their Antigravity ships.
I believe there is some thruth to it and it shouldn't be redeculed.

>>19385782
Keep it coming friend

Seekers of the truth like me will wade through a swap of shit just to find something good.

>You'd think the structure containing the medium would protrude outside and defeat the purpose, but there's some sort of frame-dragging effect that deals with most of that, and at any rate you don't want to totally shield because if you could, you'd go simultaneous, it acts sort of like a skeg on a ski.

>Early on, they tried to do the intersystem stuff that way and it all spun unidirectionally, which is why you see 50's-60's "UFOs" doing that weird falling-leaf thing when they descend, it's gyroscopic forces vs the pilot/avionics trying not to scour the inside of the containment with the rotating delay medium. These days they contrarotate two annuli to compensate on the intersystem craft, and the intrasystem craft don't do that at all.

>>19385834
Can do frendo
>In the small, it's also why you get the Podkletnov effect above a rotating superconductive surface (also why you don't get much of an effect). The rotating disk is acting as a halfassed Mach Effect shield, but it doesn't do a great job, and the fringe effects around the disk's edges nearly swamp any actual shielding from that direction. What they're seeing is less "antigravity" as "somewhat directional anti-inertia", although it kinda looks the same if you're not watching for the differences. If they made a closed superconductive surface, a hollow cylinder maybe, and spun that instead, you'd see a bigger effect inside.

>The thing with the cosmological constant has to do with how much ass you can get with a Mach Effect shield. In regions where it's relatively high, the expansion of space in that area acts as a drag that can't be shielded against. Where it's lower, you go faster. The issue is everyone thinks it's uniform, and it's not. Driving through spatial regions with non-zero cosmological 'constant' causes pseudo-acceleration inside the field which is quite handy for "artificial gravity", except where it's non-uniform and sort of "ripply" you get the paint-mixer effect. Which is pretty much all over, only some places it's worse, making your FTL experience a tooth-rattling one with used lunch accompaniment. (the CC non-uniformity is also why you get the Voyager/Pioneer anomalies, and why they're in different directions, but I digress)

>If the Universe weren't rotating, you couldn't do it at all, but with rotation there are exact solutions that permit FTL that way, I think it was some proof by Godel, but it BTFOOM how that works, you'd have to be a drive systems designer to understand it, and I've probably misremembered it anyway. I'm lucky to do simple tensors on a good day.

>The UFO community got it all wrong, the "tr3b" (not the actual name) doesn't use a Mach shield aka "magnetic field disrupter", that's old tech for small intersystem craft, it's smaller, simpler and more easily controlled to use the Aharonov-Bohm A-potential field shielding there. Which is, of course, how you fit one in a certain aircraft with anomalous "stealth", acceleration and handling characteristics, but I digress. I never really understood why they bothered doing that with an airframe when they were spending billions for Navy to end up with the endo/exo-atmospheric fighters (the "small" triangles).

>So, there you go. Now, see, you're thinking "Wow, this sort of hangs together in a spookily cohesive way, but it just HAS to be bullshiat, right?" Then you'll go look around, and read up on A-B potential fields, and why a deSitter universe is different from a Machian universe, and I think there's even one reference that they wish weren't out there that talks about deSitter drag on theoretical spatial distortion drives you might come across (they get it wrong - IIRC they say it prevents you from attaining FTL, it doesn't, just slows your speed and causes that pesky fluctuating pseudo-acceleration). Then you're gonna read up on the Podkletnov effect, and the "mfd", and damn if it STILL doesn't sort of hang together. You might even find a version of that rotating/non-rotating universe thing allowing for sneaking around GR. Sure, ol' Tom is just making it up. (why IS the military interested in delaying EM propagation?) Maybe it's all a well-thought-out shaggy dog story. Maybe

>Of course, one day, late in some future thread, you probably will also think I'm making up how Kirtland's "laser weapon beam correction" works (hint hint - it's not adaptive mirrors) and why you need GuideStar for it to function, and I'll tell you it's done by tracing virtual photons backwards in time with a physics trick we stole from the "Russian Einstein". That'll be true too, but you won't believe it.

>/somewhere, a security guy at KAFB will be gnashing his teeth
//and as we used to say in the Army, "this ain't no shiat"
///sleep well - "even now" (if that has meaning in this context) some Navy pukes are plying the nearby star systems and you're payin' for it, but you'll never get a whiff
The 'Russian Einstein' is Yakov Boris Zeldovich and the laser beam correction mechanism is 'phase conjugation in an anomalously dispersive medium' (i.e. dilute quantum gas/BEC/FC)

>>19385965

Pretty good stuff.

That part about photons back in time makes it seem pretty legit. I know for myself photons do not even experience time so slowing them from our frame of reference and manipulating them allows causation manipulation. At least as long as you can keep the photon in a quantum state.

That's some fine copy pasta friend. I will digest it.

>>19382083
make a magnet based infinite propulsion machine or replicate the nazi bell which was basically 2 up right magnets facing opposite each other made to spin around in a circle GL anon it's called electro gravitics

>>19386419
More details anon?

Your Die gloke description sounds somewhat accurate.

>>19385677
I mean at least explain why I am wrong you mong

>>19385677
>>19386684
>An outside observer just sees a object in free space suddenly somehow moving on a XYZ plane. It breaks Newton's third law from his perspective at least.

desu, this is a pretty bs statement

>bro that car breaks newtons second law from our prespective because you can't see its engine
>XYZ plane

>>19386072
This place sucks for UFO discussion. I would recommend ATS and older threads like the one I posted from Fark. There is a defense contractor that's used to post naughty stuff on both
ATS
>Bedlam
>Tom Bedlam
Fark
>Erewhon

>>19386824
If a fucking closed box in space suddenly starts moving towards you how would your monkey brain rationalize that.

This is the point I am making. The picture represents a way to make that happen.

>>19386419
Doesn’t the bell use liquid metal which lead to the looking glass project?

>>19386872
You got rips or archives?

If something peaks my interest I might draw it up in cad and CNC it out on a old HASS or something. Would be worth a laugh before the inevitable NDA papers I would have to sign.

>>19382083
You only have to look at the blackbird to realise the recent “UFO releases” reports are some sort US drone / propulsion technology they are showing to the Chinese to tell them to watch it.

>>19385693
When they flap their clear beetle wings, an air current starts circulating clockwise in the green shell traps above the clear wings the way sound goes around and around in a bell. It creates a small vortex that sucks air up creating lift. I'm just guessing, is there anything to this, physics anons?
Evolution has created incredible biological contraptions that we can't match (the human brain is better than any computer). Even the 'hive mind' of ant colonies is little understood. We should look to nature to see what's possible.

>>19386918
Hard to say what is actually real. If I see something that checks out scientifically I can usually tell though.

>>19382129
On your icon make sure you get across that it’s interdimensional. The fact that it slid under the water with no loss of speed one would assume it’s in a higher dimension and not physically interacting past what appears in our dimension. Much like the horizon patterns you’d see in a 2d world if it was intersected by our 3D world.

>>19386973
Actually the inside of the shells have tons of microscopic holes that act as resonance cavities. The static electricity produced from the wings plays a large part in the lift in conjunction with the resonance cavities in the shells.

Sounds kinds nutz but if you really really look into it under a electron microscope it checks out.

>>19386684
It's was just a nonsensical statement. Universal law is broken because someone sees something they can't understand/see/figure out?

I can't remember but it has to do with this highly unstable material that requires an extremely fast computer to control and make adjustments to that material on the fly. It's why it's possible for a UFO to crash, because anything that causes the computers to go out, even for a second, causes the material to destabilize, and when that happens, it's game over. Obviously there are redundant systems, and the chance of total failure is very unlikely, but it does happen.

>>19385693
source ?

>>19387304
I just googled it can't find the source I remember.

Was some old paper on electrostatic stuff when beetles flap and had electron microscope pics of the shells showing the resonance cavities. You will have to dig for it cuz google did not give it to me on the first page.

>>19385714
>implying a guns don't recoil

Onions

>>19386918
Project Looking Glass is about non-linear adaptive optical processes and their military applications. There is literally a PDF from LANL called "Through The Looking Glass With Phase Conjugation"

>>19386935
I've got links I can post. Some of the juicier things on Fark were scrubbed because they had some very naughty things related to a certain particle beam test at Dugway in 2004.
>Pic related
>Collimated beam of positronium created by exceeding the Schwinger critical field limit for pair production in freespace FTW
If this thread is still up after I get off work, I'll dump everything I can. I also have my Google Drive I might be able to link that is filled with research PDFs from DTIC/Uni/NatLab that pertain to the whole "fun with quantum gases" aspect.

>>19382083
>Cad master
Well draw it up!

It has something to do with high pressure mercury in a centrifuge spinning (in opposite directions?) inside of an electrical field
But that's all I know

>Here's you a fiction. I recall sitting with some guys after watching this thing for the first time, and someone said something like "I wonder if my children will grow up", and hey, what do you say to that? Of course, Gariac will tell you that's a stupid rumor, for sure it's not as cool as taking yet MORE pictures of keep out signs on secure area fencing.

>But let's think about, say, plasmonics. You can store photon states in plasmonic waves. Heck, I missed getting a patent on an application that did that by about six months, dammit. Any of these "laser moving at only a few hundred feet per second" topics is an example.

>(turns on wayback machine..) Ok, back when, and it was before 2004 but I'm not sure exactly when without looking, we went to a symposium that included Lijun Wang as a speaker, there were a dozen of us intrepid gubmint contractor types scattered in the room trying to look all scholarly. The topic concerned slowing a laser using plasmonic states in an anomalously dispersive medium (hint - metamaterial-like). It's not vastly different than the trick you use to build time-conjugators but it was WAY more effective than we'd seen. So. Take a cylinder of medium type x that fits that bill, say a meter long, with a propagation rate of 17 meters per second. Fire a laser into it so that you've got nearly 1/17 of a second of laser stored in plasmonic excitation in this meter long tube.

>>19389426
>Then turn off the excitation field that makes it go.

>The laser energy stored in the tube will come barreling out near c. The wavelength will be...proportionally decreased. You can't get the tube excited uniformly again for a bit, so you have - picture a gatling gun - a number of these things overlapping. It's like mechanical leverage. You put in energy slowly for a while, then let it out. It's one hellacious pulse compressor.

You are a bit limited by the cesium gas, there's only so much plasmonic deformation you can get, so there's other solid materials that do this too.

>Of course, given direct metric engineering, you can do it by just increasing the values for permeability and permittivity in a region, then loading the region with your beam, then reversing or dropping the field that causes this, same effect as with plasmonics. Out comes several seconds of beam in a nanosecond, Schwing!. An obvious side-effect of a region of slow C is that any light entering it would be blue-shifted from the POV of an outside observer.

>Good thing it's all just tales to entertain.

>>19382134
>Rapidly moving mercury produces a gravity repelling effect. Mechanism is unknown.

Sauce for that claim?

>>19389469
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread901726/pg3
>Lijun Wang NEC laboratory @ Princeton
"Positronium annihilation driven gamma ray laser"
>Dr. Allen P Mills
>Dr. David Cassidy
https://patents.google.com/patent/US6813330

>>19389529
It's not mercury
https://news.wsu.edu/2017/04/10/negative-mass-created-at-wsu/

I saw a TR3-B once. There was low cloud cover across the entire state that evening. Perfect weather for a test flight. About 60 miles north of macdill airforce base. Saw it performing weird maneuvers just below the cloud line before going back into them. Girlfriend at the time witnessed it too and was scared shitless. Looked like a real UFO but mufon said I was describing a TR3-B. My gf of the time left me a few months later after a 4 year relationship. I can't help but think that the glowniggers had something to do with it to separate witnesses.

>>19382083
Making a UFO is easy, just buy a drone, dress it up with pipe cleaners, and don't call your local airport when you fly it around. Boom, nobody knows what the fuck that thing is and it's airborne.

Maybe you meant flying saucer? The US made a handful of prototypes back in the 1940s, when reaching mach was the aerospace industry's white whale, but deemed that the layout wasn't stable enough to make a pilot-able craft.
>>19382110
Improvements to the propulsion system weren't really the issue with it either, the problem was that a disc is only really stable in a straight line.
>>19382653
An oscillary wave isn't going to be beneficial, really. You have to remember that a swimming pool is a confined wave, so it's able to cause constructive interference on the backflow. This doesn't do much for a UFO which is trying to generate lift against what (for practical, lift generating purposes) is an unbounded sea of air beneath it.
>>19383244
>>19383179
>BRO JUST CONFINE YOUR WAVES LOL
Yes, this works when nature is making your limits for you, i.e. in quantum mechanics and electrons, but when you're working with propulsion, you want reactionary forces to drive your craft onward/upward. A confined wavefunction isn't going to do fuck all for moving a craft, it's just going to cause material stresses.

>>19382083
Building material is the only thing holding you back. Most expensive things are the metallic fluid and large copper plates. Everything else can be found in old used computers

>>19382083
>>19389795
And batteries. You're going to need a shitload of batteries

>>19382591
Based and UFO pilled
Let's do this biz