/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>18973962
creg is going to kill himself.

>>18973962
Haven't seen this kind of meme since i accidentally the entire thing

>>18973962
>Claims to be Satoshi publicly
>Refuses to sign the keys to the Genesis block

No signature, not Satoshi

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>>18974031
very epic sir

>>18973962
are we 2018 again

creg is iq 277

>>18973962
>doesn't afraid of anything
oh, but he should

>>18973962
For a man with such an ego, why not just put his own name on the papers instead of satoshi?

>>18974881
creg often puts his own name on papers
his specialty is (re)signing obscure mid-60s academic papers

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.487.0.pdf

Craig wants summary judgement nao!

>>18975326
it would appear, the cregster indeed fears the Bloom. That entire argument more or less hangs on whether or not Ira is time-barred form acting over the theft of Daves IP via the Australian case. And given creg was more or less committing blatant fucking fraud and acting as both parties in that - he redelivered service to himself and changed the director of WK to the ever-amenable Ms Uyen Nguyen, who most probably is a figment of his imagination. tldr 'this [Florida] is not fraud because previous fraud [Australia]..' - I'm not sure I'd be bringing that case up again so readily desu.

meh, this case will now end, and lets see how Bloom/Reinhard judge. I have popcorn ready.

>>18973962
Judge will rule all miners to give every last BitCoin to creg

>>18976631
that doesnt work. Bitcoins cannot be forced to move. They can be hindered in movement, but they cannot be forced to move. On any chain. The minute it is possible I´m out and this whole shit can go fuck itself

>>18974936
he is like trump puts his name on any paper placed in front of him

>>18976631
good luck with that brainlets
if this is even remotely possible bitcoin ain't worth a single cent

>>18975681
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.499.0.pdf
AND it would appear the Australian case is now being challenged. And that won't stand up to much inspection. Opened the wrong can-o-worms there. G'night. you fat fucking dick.

>>18978080
what does that mean? CSW is forfeitting a maybe benevolent jury and wants judgement now by a judge that hates his guts and Ira is objecting? why?

>>18978204
see previous post - creg (way back) railroaded a scam judgement through Australian courts to grab the assets of D&K - Daves Florida company. As creg was acting for both parties in this case - somewhat contrary to both intention and spirit of the Law - no one objected, 'he' won. This case was brought up again now as 'proof' Ira had the chance to object at the time, and further claims over Daves assets are now time-barred. And as this case was blatant fucking fraud from start to finish, I personally would, as said, have let sleeping dogs lie, but, now Ira & Co can start objecting to it again. With good fucking reason, it must be said.
>a maybe benevolent jury
lmao - not even this obstreperous fat wanker could be so deluded as to believe for a second, a Jury would do anything other than hate him. immediately, on sight. And, it would just get worse. A Jury trial, for creg, would be fucking insanity - thus the hail mary pass with the summary judgement application

>>18978350
>a Jury would do anything other than hate him. immediately, on sight.
if they didn't hate him on sight they would hate in by the time the trial was wrapping up. there is no way creg would be able to survive a cross without sperging out and coming across simultaneously like an egomaniac, fraud, thief, mental case

>>18978350
fuck no Im not learning law now, way to old for that.

So CSW hopes that Bloom will be better than a jury?Why, the judges hate him and I am inclined to admit that jurors wont get to like him either... what would be the difference in result?

Data's my favorite Jedi in all of Harry Potter.

>>18978630
Kurt Cobain was my favorite actor in that docuseries.

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6309656/487/kleiman-v-wright/

D.K.’s house went into foreclosure (which he tried, but failed, to prevent through a refinancing),
he couldn’t pay his cell phone bill (his close friends paid it to keep him connected to the world),
his home internet was disconnected for non-payment, and, on what was likely the day he passed,
his credit report reflects that he applied for a loan from a lender that provides credit to people
who cannot get credit elsewhere. See SMF ¶¶ 13-16. He was denied that loan. Id. ¶ 16. Why
wasn’t D.K.’s supposed fortune tapped for any of these expenses?

>>18973962
kys anon

>>18975681
>ever-amenable Ms Uyen Nguyen, who most probably is a figment of his imagination.
Greg, there is literally a picture of Uyen.

Is your schizophrenia breaking out again?

Hello BSV,

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Thanks.

>>18976682
Code is not law. Law is law and has authority over any kind of software, code or digital memetoken.

Welcome to law.

>>18974056
that's some nigger logic right there

>>18978350
LOL Ira has no claims to Craig's Bitcoin. They never were in any partnership mining Bitcoins together. Even Ira can't produce any evidence of such a partnership.

He's basically saying the partnership was secret and never written down, but trust me bro it exists and give me your 500.000 BTC kek

Ira is nothing but a fucking scammer.

>>18979285
ok, so tell me how law, even under threat of force can compell a transaction to be made while mantaining the valid chain of signatures?

as I said, you can forcefully freeze and trace bitcoin, but you cannot forcefully transfer them. If that were the case crypto is dead to me.

>>18979241
jog on
that name is one of, when not THE most popular name in fucking Asia. Literal Jane Smith. Coincidentally enough. JPM was, of course, invited to share his reminisces over the mysterious Ms Nguyen (ANY fucking Ms Nguyen) in Court. He declined, most vehemently. Odd that, isn't it.
Finding an Uyen Nguyen was never difficult. Finding one who admits to having signed all these company documents tho, appears to be another matter entirely. And while one can get asian females to do a lot of things for money, getting one to admit their signature is on the same documents as the fat frauds? now THAT appears an ask too far
>>18979379
>Ira is nothing but a fucking scammer
yes, there's a lot of it about. The Jury however, 12 men Good and True, shall listen to two weeks or more of cregs tortuous verbal contortions, and decide - I look forward to it.

>>18979464
You issue a court ordered injunction to the major mining operations. There really aren't that many, and they are located in a handful of jurisdictions.

The alleged crime must be compelling enough that it can be held up internationally - so for egregious crimes like human trafficking, drug smuggling, terrorist funding, etc. will be upheld in China as well as the US and EU.

https://craigwright.net/blog/bitcoin-blockchain-tech/reversing-illicit-transactions-on-bitcoin-is-simple/
>The truth of the matter is, miners exist in the real world. Mining pools and large mining companies spend hundreds of millions of dollars setting up their environments and facilities. If a court order was to come in, such miners would have two options: they could either stop mining on the chain where an order has been given by a court, or they could implement the change. There is no other option that allows them to keep mining and run a business.

>If a miner decided to go against such an order, there are assets simple to seize. If an exchange decides to breach, it is simple to close. I’ve commented on it before, but Liberty Reserve was at its peak over 100 times more distributed than Bitcoin has ever been. Yet through a coordinated activity across 42 countries, assets were seized and the system was shut down. To stop an illicit system using Bitcoin, the government would need to know about the Bitcoin address and movements that are recorded publicly on the Bitcoin blockchain and issue a court order.

>>18979475
Greg why do you insist on keeping up these ridiculous and fantastical narratives? It reads like schizophrenic ramblings. Just stick to reality, rather than making shit up all the time and you'd be better off with your whole mental health issue you got going on.

George Gilder confirmed that he met Uyen Nguyen in person, already pictured in the last comment, at one of his SF conferences, so denying her existence is absurd.

https://youtu.be/kUwlYlM4t2U?t=270

>>18979905
>objection: hearsay
as said, repeatedly.
finding an Uyen Nguyen is not difficult. Quite the opposite. Producing one who will stand up in court and admit to having signed these documents tho - ALL of these, extremely fucking sketchy at best documents - is, as they say, another matter entirely. tldr, one blurry foto of what might be (but probably isn't) a female and the alleged of ramblings of senile george here - which you haven't timestamped - DO NOT for proof make. Will the real Uyen Nguyen stand up before court and be counted? No, will she fuck

>>18979475
Also why did you dodge the core of the argument - that there is no, and never was, a mining partnership between Craig and Dave.

Ira has never produced any evidence thereof. If there was indeed any sort of partnership, why doesn't Dave or Ira have ANY records of the losses or expenses incurred during it?

He wants to claim half of the profits, but never claimed any of the losses. Scamming Ira busted cold.

>>18980049
I did timestamp it you fucking schizo LOL

Greg are you losing it??? Take your meds dude.

>>18980073
>dodge
its not my fucking argument. And for the record, Iras argument is not especially convincing either, its all mutual greed over mythical dragon hordes. There are still the (factual) matters of the Australian sham where assets of Dave were (somewhat dubiously) acquired by creg, AND the fact that he himself admitted Ira was due money, repeatedly. As ever his own worst enemy. Let the jury sort em out. I'm sure it'll end well for creg.
>>18980102
My apologies, missed that. Still aberrant fucking nonsense tho

>>18978717
Why did Carol Baskins murder him :(

>>18976682
>that doesnt work
miners are in custody of the blockchain data so yes they can do whatever the fuck they want, like add segshit or block funds from certain addresses

>>18980188
You realize the entire burden of proof is on Ira right? He is the one claiming that half a million Bitcoin that Craig is in possession of, belongs to him.

Therefore Ira MUST produce evidence that his estate is the rightful owner - which he can not do because no mining partnership ever existed.

PERIOD.

What a case huh? Designed to embarrass and bog down Satoshi in court, but turns out that it was a scheme devised by Mr. Kleiman, an avaricious conman all along.

Ira is the Plaintiff. Ira claims the fortune. Burden of proof is on Ira. And he hasn't produced fuck all.

CASE DISMISSED.

It's time to stop harassing Satoshi, he's autistic and has better things to do, like scaling Bitcoin and creating MetaNet.

>>18979752
I´ll have to repeat: I am well aware that miners if they are forced to by a court order could basically embargo an address and the coins therein making them and coins coming to that adress "lead".

However I can not conceive o a possibility of miners de facto signing a a tx for the money in an embargoed address to move.

Can you please show me the way, and not just parrot something that craig said.

>>18973962
That guy is such a fraud

based

>>18980545
its not possible for a miner to sign instead of the owner. also chink miners would give 0 fucks about a court order from a us court for example

>>18973962
>doesn’t afraid of anything

I thought I smelled shit in the streets.

>>18979285
i agree code is not law its way stronger and global not subject to juristiction

>>18976682
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>>18979464
>>18980368
>>18981322
The amount of people who dont understand that bitcoin is just code and that any change can be made as long as the majority of the miners agree is astounding.

You think they can't change the 21million BTC limit? They absolutely can.
You think they cant blacklist addresses making them forever unspendable? They absolutely can.
You think they cant write special code to give someone the Satoshi coins? They absolutely can. Make the old coins unspendable and mint new UTXOs for the same amount and then transfer them to Craigs wallet and it's done.

I think some of you never understood that Bitcoin is just code and ANYTHING can be changed with miner consensus. Dumb shits,

>>18981455
>and that any change can be made as long as the majority of the miners agree
they would just make an altcoin if they broke the rules without consensus. i thought you silly fucks learned this already.

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>>18979752
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>THAT CAN'T BE! WHAT ABOUT MY FULL NODE!!!!!

>>18981499
"Consensus" you think American miners are going to ignore a legal judgement and risk getting shut down or jail time? If American miners dont have enough consensus then the "altcoin" will be American BTC vs Chinese BTC.

>>18981667
you area cashie you will never get consensus don't hurt your fragile little brain thinking about it

>>18981702
Did you learn this word on reddit or something? lol you are like a parody.

>>18980220
Cruel world ;_;

>>18981769
i had hopes for you brainlets to get it one day for 3 years but i gave up
you will never get it and die ignorant

>>18981667
wait, like fake bitcoin and the real bitcoin? and that crap BCH?

>>18981499
>they would just make an altcoin if they broke the rules without consensus

He specifically said miner consensus, retard.

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>>18981667

I can't believe this is the narrative CSW, Calvin, and the SV shills are going with now.

That makes it impossible for crypto to protect you from inflation if true.
For example, this can happen:

> The US Government demands that all government-compliant miners mining SV or running SV nodes must update to the newest version (v1.0.1) within 5 days, which applies the following code changes, as mandated by the "Federal SV Reserve INFLATION Act of 2020", or the BRRRR.SV Act :
> - these nodes will refuse to connect to any nodes running a version below v1.0.1 after block height 900,000
> - for 100,000 blocks, starting from block number 900,000, there will be an additional 100 SV coins block subsidy, but not credited to the miners, but instead sent directly to 1USxFedReservexMnbGtVxRz85h4KYGQB
> - after block height 1,000,000, this code segment will always be completely skipped and the monetary policy of SV will return to normal
> For your immediate compliance.

Yes, government-compliant centralized server farms is the truly the Bitcoin Satoshi envisioned.
Including enforced inflation.
STIFF

>>18981418
does code write itself or does someone write it?

>>18982812
Huge flaw in your argument.

You can't get all courts in all these major countries to agree to a US order to destroy the network as you suggest. Especially not when there are state-actors mining and using the blockchain as their infrastructure.

You can get agreement from multiple nations to enforce freezing/seizing concerning major criminal acts or organizations. Money laundering, terrorism, that can of thing.

You can not get multi-jurisdictional and international agreement on US government domestic economic policy for their own enrichment. China wouldn't agree. Germany wouldn't agree. Russia wouldn't agree. Italy wouldn't agree, etc.

Scale and multi-national adoption is what ensures the security and stability of the network long term
Scale and multi-national adoption is what ensures distributed lawful consensus on court orders
Scale and multi-national adoption is what will ensure that Bitcoin becomes unbreakable by any one rogue nation

This is why you WANT major state actors to become dependent and reliant on Bitcoin monetary infrastructure. No one country will be able to destroy it without consent from the other independent and often adversarial or competing nations. Only the orders that ALL (or majority) can agree on will be able to be enforced.

>>18983157
Or you know, the US sends some missiles over to any countries that dissent, the same way they've protected their reserve currency status this whole time.

But that doesn't work in a decentralized system (nor does forcing all participants to honor an unsigned transaction).

Because the entire point of decentralization is you cannot get every actor on the network to acquiesce to your demands. This is why Segwit2x failed. This is why torrents exist and cannot be quashed even by billionaire companies protecting their intellectual property.

The narrative CSW and Calvin are running with now is a pipe dream. They will be unable to fork anything except their own Shit Version fork.

>>18973962
>doesn't afraid of anything
EXCELLENT POST SIRS THOSE SAYTOSHI GIVES YOU THOUSAND RUPEES FOR BOBS VAGENE SIRS

>>18983157
>>18983264
And the US going to war over gaining control over the reserve currency (or it's inflation) is a very realistic scenario (hence the petrodollar).

Seizing the coins of some deranged Australian scammer over a civil case is much less enforceable (and something they care MUCH LESS about)

>>18981368
>>18983279
Peak newfaggotry.

>>18983297
Right because the US is going to declare war on the entire rest of the world, including nuclear powers, just to change the blockchain HAHAHAHAHA

Take your meds.

>>18984025
>I don't understand what world reserve currency means, the post
Or you prefer USD remain the king
Why even bother then

>>18984444
Wait did you have a point or?

>>18974008
I miss that mofo

>>18974056
This