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18932255 No.18932255 [Reply] [Original]

OUR TIME HAS COME

>> No.18932344

By his calculation, $3.9 trillion of money, the equivalent of 6.6% of global economic output, has been printed since February.

“It has happened globally with such speed that even a market veteran like myself was left speechless,” Jones, 65, wrote. “We are witnessing the Great Monetary Inflation -- an unprecedented expansion of every form of money unlike anything the developed world has ever seen.”

The question for a macro investor like Jones was how to hedge. He said he considered various bets on gold, Treasuries, certain types of stocks, currencies and commodities.

Jones first dabbled in Bitcoin in 2017, doubling his money before exiting the trade near its peak at almost $20,000. This time, he said he evaluated Bitcoin as a store of value and decided it passes the test based on four characteristics: purchasing power, trustworthiness, liquidity and portability.

“I am not a hard-money nor a crypto nut,” he wrote. “The most compelling argument for owning Bitcoin is the coming digitization of currency everywhere, accelerated by Covid-19.”

>> No.18932345

>btc hits investing mainstream
unironically dumping

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>>18932255
Double checked. Gold went 10x from 1970 to 1980. We’re all going to make it!

>> No.18932393

>>18932345
it's be mainstream for a while now, this is no longer bearish this guy is one of the greatest traders of all time and guaranteed huge IQ than you or myself one by one they will all follow

>> No.18932418

>>18932255
>>18932344

The digits speak for themselves, Kek is with us mr Jones

>> No.18932450

>>18932418
Is he related to Professor Doctor Alex Jones? Because he also recently promoted BTC.

>> No.18932464

>>18932255
literally who

>> No.18932491
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>>18932255
>>18932344
BLESSED DIGITS

BTC TO 6 FIGURES BY 2021
WE'RE ALL GONNA MAKE IT BRAHS

>> No.18932698

>>18932344
Quite possible he only dumped part of his 2017 bags and is just trying to pump it enough to dump the rest.

>> No.18932725

>>18932255
some no name boomer. kek who fucking cares

>> No.18932734
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18932734

Fuck we gonna make it bros

>> No.18932740

What if he bot BTC at $5000 and now needs liquidity to offload at $10k

>> No.18932760
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>>18932344
>>18932255
>>18932345
>>18932393
>>18932418
>>18932450
>>18932491
>>18932698
>>18932725

You do realize that once the big investors find out that BTC is a scam coin, it's people holding intrinsically valuable crypto who will make the big gains, once all that capital rushes out? 97% drop for BTC, 3700% gains for XMR and BCH.

>> No.18932790

>literal who
Damn you guys are desperate

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>>18932255
>Gold does great during depressions
>So buy Bitcoin

>> No.18932815

>>18932698
>>18932740
>>18932760
Open your eyes the fed is printing $1T a day for almost a month now the consequences of this will be like nothing we've ever seen.

“The most compelling argument for owning Bitcoin is the coming digitization of currency everywhere, accelerated by Covid-19.”

The world is in germophobe mode, cash carries covid

Wake the fuck up

>>18932725
"no name boomer" if only you really knew anon what it meant to be a successful trader, let alone one of the GOATs

>> No.18932940
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>>18932815

I'm going to repeat to you here what I said in another thread.

"Do you realize how ridiculous it is to get excited about BTC going up? Even Boeing is up 5% today. BTC only moves with the stock market. The 60% March crash shows that it isn't a hedge against economic disaster. You're picking up scraps from the stock market while believing that you're engaging in, or profiting from, something revolutionary.

Perhaps you'll retort that you're hodling. But the fundamentals of BTC are horrible, so that it has no long-term future either. We saw what happened when it went to $20,000 before: $100-fees. Three-day waiting times. The code is irrevocably neutered by Blockstream. You can only solve the problem to a minuscule extent with third-party and second-layer solutions which wipe out privacy, and enslave you to banks and financial institutions. BTC has absolutely no use-case, and is propped up merely by speculation. Mean-while, everyone who bought over $10,000 is still holding the bag three years later.

If there is a future for crypto, it's probably going to be BCH or XMR. What we can say with certainty is that it won't be BTC. Ride the pump up if you're already holding, set a stop-limit, and then, when it begins to fall, cash out while you still can."

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18932948

>>18932790
$5.1bln net worth

>literal who

>> No.18933119

If this doesn't get you bullish then why are you even on this board... rennaisance tech, tudor jones.... bitcoin has been legitimized for boomer investing which means institutional can come in. GET A SUICIDE STACK.

>> No.18933150

>>18932760
>>18932940

You fail to understand that in times of mass panic ALL ASSET CLASSES DUMP this includes gold and BTC. Regardless of the dump when panic settles money always flows back in, where that money goes is determined by the set of circumstances revolving around the panic in the first place.

You are wrong about BCH, XMR maybe I could see. But neither of these have success without BTC. BTC followed by ETH are the ONLY means of mass adoption and migration into this asset class. And that adoption and migration just got a major catalyst- COVID19.

The Fed is printing $1T USD per day for the last 20-30 days. If you don't see it by now then you are blind and retarded. There is no hope for you. Stop spamming threads with your garbage.

>> No.18933209

>>18932734
This doesn't take into account the current state of our economy and the mass money printing that has been going on recently. There is no data available for what happens to BTC during this event.

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>>18933150

>You fail to understand that in times of mass panic ALL ASSET CLASSES DUMP this includes gold and BTC.

Gold went down a mere 10%, BTC plunged 60%. That's twice as bad as the stock market--a dire safe-haven. Gold also recovered almost instantly and then went on to all-time highs. Gold showed more strength than any other asset.

>You are wrong about BCH, XMR maybe I could see. But neither of these have success without BTC.

BCH is following the blueprint of the original Bitcoin. BTC only got popular because of that blueprint--the intrinsic value offered by decentralized peer-to-peer cash with privacy and low fees. Once it becomes general knowledge that BTC is a scam and has failed Satoshi's vision utterly, people will flock to what works.

>ETH

Ethereum is centralized. It's not like Bitcoin (that is, BCH; BTC is a scam Bitcoin).

>The Fed is printing $1T USD per day for the last 20-30 days. If you don't see it by now then you are blind and retarded. There is no hope for you. Stop spamming threads with your garbage.

This is why you buy precious metals and mining stocks, not toss your money away on crypto that might go to zero. I fully admit that even XMR or BCH might go to zero, which is why I only put a small amount of my net-worth into them. The coin that ultimately succeeds might not even be invented yet.

>> No.18933547

>>18933421
lol

>> No.18933740

>>18933421

See >>18933150
"If you don't see it by now then you are blind and retarded"

>> No.18933853

>>18933740

We're still 20% below the BTC price of June 2019; you're delusional if you think either that what is going on right now is a breakthrough, or that the price isn't going to crash.

>> No.18933908

>>18932491
>>18932344
>>18932255
>Bitcoin spike
>3.9 Trillion printed
Isn't this all part of the FED's plans?
1.) Self implemented crisis within shadow government not operating within any nations boarders - boarder states/nations do not have power holdings on them or their plans.
2.) Ensure wide spread panic & propaganda
>People are afraid to interact with one another with the threat of a virus
>Communities break down
>No one works together
>People not meeting means any retail, restaurant, or retail no longer accepts cash due to threat of contracting the virus
>Crash the market
>Print money until its worthless
>Cash become worthless to citizens
>Cash transactions become obsolete ensuring the common man cannot rely on un-taxed private cash flow
5.) Make citizens dependent on the state driven income for life
6.) Introduce a singular digital monetary system that is now working with the world bank/feds
>your bitcoin will become useless or end up partnering with the NWO/Feds
>bitcoin was only a test market for the FED's all along
>Citizens can only access their digital currency by implanting a tracing devise that has access to all assets, your social security number, & eventually access to all things within modern life, tv, your car, your house, your computer, your internet, & even if you may go to your job each day with strange regulations monitoring your browsing history & clinical health

What happens when part of the civilization does not accept this? A parallel society of those who do as the narrative state machine says & those who don't comply.

Those who don't comply will be persecuted by the people on the streets for not complying with measures that are suppose to keep the society "safe from a virus", imprisoned, executed, property & possessions taken away, executed, & most likely some how purposely infected with a real virus one way or another by the parties controlling this.

Silver/Gold as well as bartering with become the main form of income.

>> No.18933975

>>18933853
See >>18933150 (You) #
"If you don't see it by now then you are blind and retarded"

>> No.18933993

>>18933975

See >>18932940

>> No.18934641

>>18932255
bumping this.

>> No.18934756

>>18932760
Cashies still exist after 2017? I forgot you morons even still existed. XMR has a great future but guarantee nobody wants your knock off brand "Bitcoin" over the real thing

>> No.18934790

>>18932940
Now post a chart how much goods were bought with gold against cash.
Chucks! Better go al into dollar bills!

>> No.18934943

>>18934790
Which Bills? I'm dtf.

>> No.18934993

>>18934756

Amusing that you think the crippled product which is controlled by banks is "the real thing," and that the one which is backed by the original devs, and which follows the plan in Satoshi's white-paper, is "the knock-off brand."

>> No.18935042

>>18934993
Take your off brand niggerdom back to Wally World you piece of shit.

>> No.18935089

>>18934993
fiji water price is 50x more than normal water therefore it more gooder than other waters

>> No.18935135

>>18935089
Arsenic is good?

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>>18935089
>>18935042

Two assets compared.

BTC: It not only has no use-case, but, if it gets popular, it actually hurts humanity, because the broken code means that all transactions have to be done through third-party second-layer solutions which track and control everything you do.

BCH: Follows the original plan of Satoshi's white-paper. Decentralized peer-to-peer cash. Backed by the original devs. The reason why Bitcoin got popular in the first place, before speculation became the only thing propping up the price.

>> No.18935235

>>18934993
What "original devs" are you even talking about dumbass? Name some names. Amaury is basically the only dev and he modified the abc client to fork in inflation to pay himself and that shit is still in the code base
Anybody that even remotely follows development knows that actual smart devs are all on btc

>> No.18935237

>>18933209
>There is no data available for what happens to BTC during this event.
Lol.
There is no data available for what happens to BTC/Stocks/Bonds/Treausuries/Munis during this event.
Place your 10 year bet.
Tudor just did.

>> No.18935257

>>18932760
>>18932940
>>18933421
>>18933853
>>18933993
>>18934993
>>18935149

Isn't it funny how whenever bullish news for BTC pops up these BCH bagholding cucks flood the BTC threads? Makes you wonder

See >>18933150
"If you don't see it by now then you are blind and retarded."

>> No.18935269

>>18935237
Bitcoin hasn't lived through a stock market crash before.

>> No.18935316

>>18935269
No asset class has lived through COVID-19 before.
Society. Has. Changed. Permanently. Moving. Forward.

>> No.18935370

>>18932350
>Iwanttobelieve.jpg

>> No.18935465

>>18935235

There are no two more important figures in the history of Bitcoin than Mike Hearn and Gavin Andresen.

>> No.18935470

>>18935149
Funny how you think second layer means people track everything you do. If you coinjoin or payjoin into a lightning channel its even more private than staying on the base layer. On base layer you have to announce every single transaction to the entire network! You can cashshuffle or whatever bullshit you came up with but ultimately the anonymity set for any base layer privacy is not big enough yet and its only a matter of time before you get sybiled or accidently link a kyc utxo to a cashshuffle. Utxo coin control algorithms for Bitcoin are horrible right now and even the most careful will eventually fuck up when literally every transaction is monitored.
Face it, lightning is actually more private than base layer and will improve even more once ptlc becomes the default over htlc

>> No.18935532

>>18935235
>>18935465

"When Satoshi left, he handed over the reins of the program we now call Bitcoin Core to Gavin Andresen, an early contributor. Gavin is a solid and experienced leader who can see the big picture. His reliable technical judgement is one of the reasons I had the confidence to quit Google (where I had spent nearly 8 years) and work on Bitcoin full time. Only one tiny problem: Satoshi never actually asked Gavin if he wanted the job, and in fact he didn’t. So the first thing Gavin did was grant four other developers access to the code as well. These developers were chosen quickly in order to ensure the project could easily continue if anything happened to him. They were, essentially, whoever was around and making themselves useful at the time.

One of them, Gregory Maxwell, had an unusual set of views: he once claimed he had mathematically proven Bitcoin to be impossible. More problematically, he did not believe in Satoshi’s original vision.

When the project was first announced, Satoshi was asked how a block chain could scale to a large number of payments. Surely the amount of data to download would become overwhelming if the idea took off? This was a popular criticism of Bitcoin in the early days and Satoshi fully expected to be asked about it. He said:
The bandwidth might not be as prohibitive as you think … if the network were to get [as big as VISA], it would take several years, and by then, sending [the equivalent of] 2 HD movies over the Internet would probably not seem like a big deal.

https://blog.plan99.net/the-resolution-of-the-bitcoin-experiment-dabb30201f7

>> No.18935553

>>18935465
Yikes.
And what are these washed up sacks of shit contributing to the code base these days? If you want to claim these fools are they even doing anything these days? Nope, just amaury adding in a dev tax whenever he feels like it

>> No.18935558

>>18935470

Jorge Stolfi explains why this is wrong:

"If the LN becomes centralized into one big hub and everybody connected to it by one channel (which so far seems inevitable, for economic and technical reasons), then there will be no privacy. As the middleman of every payment, the hub will know instantly who is paying (or trying to pay) who.

But let's pretend that the LN can be decentralized, with channels distributed among thousands of independent hubs and millions of users.

One "interesting feature" of the LN is that channels and nodes must be long-lived entities, that will be used for dozens or thousands of payments; and each channel connects two fixed nodes. In contrast, a raw bitcoin user can create a new address for each transaction; and a spook can guess that two addresses belong to the same person only if they are both used as inputs of the same transaction -- at which point that information becomes largely useless.

Moreover, while a bitcoin address is just an immaterial pattern of bits, with nothing that ties it to the "owner", an LN node is a computer, that must be online in order to send or receive payments, and must be reachable by other nodes through a specific IP or onion address. Therefore, it will be much easier for a spook to determine the physical location and physical identity of the owner of a given node. In fact, large hubs will have to collect that information in order to comply with KYC/AML laws.

Also, when Alice sends a payment to Bob on-chain, Bob can check that the payment was sent at any later time, without having to contact any specific server. If she uses the LN, on the other hand, Bob must be online and interact with her (or with the middleman nodes) in order to receive the payment. Thus it will be much easier for a spook to detect that Alice paid Bob -- by timing analysis of internet accesses, if nothing else."

>> No.18935697

>>18935553

I don't need to waste words on you if that's the way you talk about them. Anybody who takes three minutes to use google can find out who they are and what they have accomplished.

"I’ve moved on to other things. It’s in good hands with Gavin and everyone." -- Satoshi Nakamoto's last words in an e-mail to Mike Hearn, April 2011

>> No.18935769

>>18932940
So BCH at 97% of Australian retail spending with $71,564...this doesn't imply what you think it does. It means that the "spending" use case is absolutely irrelevant and you have made the mistake of your lives by focusing on it. BTC has 1.11% at $821 and you know what - you can have all of it. All 821 dollars, go build an empire with it.
Then we have the store of value use case. Would you mind sharing a graph on the relative market share and cap of BCH vs BTC on that one?

>> No.18935848

>>18935769

>So BCH at 97% of Australian retail spending with $71,564...this doesn't imply what you think it does. It means that the "spending" use case is absolutely irrelevant and you have made the mistake of your lives by focusing on it.

Be patient. Bitcoin started out small as well. It only got popular because the idea of pseudonymous decentralized peer-to-peer transactions became popular. When people realize that that isn't really what BTC is, they will get out. Most normies are ignorant of the technology.

>Then we have the store of value use case. Would you mind sharing a graph on the relative market share and cap of BCH vs BTC on that one?

The store-of-value use-case was obliterated in the stock market crash in March, when BTC dropped 60%. That narrative is done for good. The only use-case which you have left is one of gambling and speculation.

>> No.18935939

>>18932255
He's actually not the first. The rest just aren't in the news. Nor do they care to be.

>> No.18935986

>>18935697
>I’ve moved on to other things
>"yeah whatever im done with that shit"
i always wondered what better things to do would satoj have than leading the bitcoin revolution, assuming its really one person and not some FBI or whatever, it sounds like one big larp

>> No.18936011

>>18935986
LINK

>> No.18936267

>>18935986

His posts indicate he left because he feared the interest of intelligence agencies after WikiLeaks started to take Bitcoin.

>> No.18936332

>>18935848
>>18935848
>Be patient. Bitcoin started out small as well. It only got popular because the idea of pseudonymous decentralized peer-to-peer transactions became popular. When people realize that that isn't really what BTC is, they will get out. Most normies are ignorant of the technology.
Less than 50% of Americans own stocks.
40% of Americans don't have $400 readily available for emergency expenses.
The top 10% of Americans own the overwhelming wealth within the US economy.
The top .01% (Tudor smart money).... you get the point. BTC/stocks/bonds don't need normie adoption.
>The store-of-value use-case was obliterated in the stock market crash in March, when BTC dropped 60%.
This is incorrect. Stocks, bonds (bailed out by fed) and gold all dropped in March as there was an immediate need for liquidity (cash due to the pandemic news in the best economy evah) to service mass margin call obligations. Massive ammounts of margin was wiped out of all asset classes in March and every asset class deleveraged except real estate. The real estate day of reckoning has been delayed via federal forebearance programs... but it's still on the horizon.
Good luck.

>> No.18936396

>>18932255
I dont even have a coinbase account anymore as they kept freaking freezing my acxount every time they finally got funds transferred in...from my bank account. Always gave me bullshit "please verify yourself" after showing no issue for months. Only every loses my proven verification once I put money in but no money and I'm somehow immediately and 100% verified. Seems like a scam when I lose my verification when money enters my account.

Any alternatives to coinbase for someone in california? Kraken is a hassle as they require wire transfers which are a rip off.

>> No.18936443

>>18936396
To add when i would reverify myself theyd claim they couldnt verify my identity even though they did prior...

>> No.18936528

>>18936332

>Stocks, bonds (bailed out by fed) and gold all dropped in March

Gold dropped a mere 10% and then fully recovered a few days later, before promptly going on to reach seven-year highs. That's what you call a real safe haven. BTC dropped 60% and didn't start to make a recovery until the stock market did so. That's absolutely disastrous. The stock market itself only went down 36%.

Very few wealthy people are foolish enough to fall for the Bitcoin con. If even a handful were, the price would be a lot higher. They will buy gold as an inflation hedge, as they always have done, and as the central banks of Russia and China are doing.

>> No.18936834

>>18936528
BTC dropping 60% overnight is not disastrous considering it does not have an infinite supply of money being dumped into it on a daily basis.

The fed has been printing $1T USD per day for 20-30 days to keep traditional markets afloat. Your example of a 60% drop does not hurt BTC's store of value proposition. If anything it actually makes it stronger.

If you do not see it by now, you are blind and retarded.

>> No.18936867

>>18932255
https://www.forbes.com/sites/colinharper/2020/05/07/no-paul-tudor-jones-is-not-buying-bitcoin-hes-buying-bitcoin-futures/#7db7e959d50d

HE'S BUYING BITCOIN FUTURES


THIS IS BEARISH AF

>> No.18936877 [DELETED] 

>>18936834

>BTC dropping 60% overnight is not disastrous considering it does not have an infinite supply of money being dumped into it on a daily basis.

And yet you're ignoring the fact that the only reason why BTC is even up right now is because of that money getting pumped into that same stock market, and into people's hands via $2000-welfare-cheques. Also the fact that gold dropped only 10%, and that that doesn't have "an infinite supply of money being dumped into it on a daily basis." Gold is the only asset that actually proved itself to be a safe-haven. Your insults against me are a remarkable case of psychological projection.

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>>18936528

>> No.18936900

>>18933421
Nobody wants your stinky BCH
Also
See >>18933150 (You) #
"If you don't see it by now then you are blind and retarded"

>> No.18936921

>>18936834

>BTC dropping 60% overnight is not disastrous considering it does not have an infinite supply of money being dumped into it on a daily basis.

And yet you're ignoring the fact that the only reason why BTC is up right now is because of the money getting pumped into that same stock market, and, more importantly, directly into people's hands via $2000 welfare-cheques. Also the fact that gold dropped only 10%, and that that doesn't have "an infinite supply of money being dumped into it on a daily basis." Gold is the only asset that actually proved itself to be a safe-haven.

>If you do not see it by now, you are blind and retarded.

This is a remarkable case of psychological projection.

>> No.18936955

>>18935848
> It only got popular because the idea of pseudonymous decentralized peer-to-peer transactions became popular.
It got popular as a way to buy drugs on silk road. Nobody cared if it was decentralized, byzantine fault tolerant, peer-to-peer, etc, just that it worked for paying and since back then buying bitcoin was an anonymous affair that the police couldn't see who bought the drugs. That's an actual use case, albeit a fringe one. Buying coffee and bubble gums for $72k isn't, I have a hard time believing any of those transactions were made easier by bitcoin.
It doesn't matter what originally made bitcoin popular because it wasn't the same thing that made it big. Bitcoin became big because with kyc exchanges it overcame the stigma of the use case that initially made it popular (silk road) and turned into a store of value and a financial product.
> it's not store of value because it crashed bigger than stocks
And it recovered more quickly than stocks. But bitcoin isn't a hedge against sudden market collapse - it's a hedge against inflation. So is gold. So are stocks. So is, in fact, most any asset, since inflation is defined by asset prices going up. So why BTC over gold and stocks? Over gold because it performs better in good times and over stocks because it recovers more quickly in bad times. At this point, BTC essentially fills the role of index fund for the global economy.

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>>18936921
Gold has been around since before the dawn of man. For it to have swings larger than 10% in either direction at this point are rare and take global pandemics to happen.

BTC will get to this point as well. With Covid changing the rules of the game, much sooner than you think.

See >>18933150
"If you don't see it by now then you are blind and retarded."

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>>18936528
>Gold has never dropped 60% for extended period of times.
Incorrect. Ref inflation adjusted chart. Nominal chart proves you wrong as well.
BTC has gone up 2x from the low after washing out the margin players... gold, well you know the story there. Not 2x...
>Very few wealthy people are foolish enough to fall for the Bitcoin con.
What is the market cap of Bitcoin again? (118 billion...). Gold? (9 trillion)... it doesn't take many serious players to 10x from here.
Tudor Jones is wall street announcing that smart money has arrived.
You either understand this or... well good luck!

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>>18932345
>this is bloomberg & friends ramping up the pumping of bitcoin
>they're in
>they got a nice cushion to make sure the price keeps rising
>they'll be controlling this next bubble

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>>18937066

>You either understand this or... you are blind and retarded.

Finished the sentence for you fren

>> No.18937208

>>18932940
Specifically using Australian figures to make a case, nice one BCH shill.
Get the fuck off this board Roger.

>> No.18938190

>>18937066

https://www.bullionvault.com/gold-news/gold_price_inflation_010620119

>> No.18938242

>>18936955
Based

>> No.18938571

>>18936955
this put that bch faggot to rest it seems

>> No.18939027

>>18937066
Holy shit gold is just as volatile as bitcoin buts it’s less scarce? Fuck me.

>> No.18939061

BTClads how do you fight the argument that China has large mining farms and can easily swing BTC to suit their political agenda?

>> No.18939102

>Rich man says he's buying something
>The rats follow
Oh boy, never seen this episode before. REALLY wonder what happens next.