/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>18807391
service industry economies are bullshit. Feels like it's already the product of a society with literally nothing left to produce, just licking the boots of whoever has the most money

I think if anything covid has proven that the govt could happily give everyone 600 a week and 1200 a month and nobody would need to work and everything would be fine.
I don't see why we can't elect representatives that agree with us on that

>>18807391
That's a man

>>18807391

That's a male(girl).

>>18807465
unironically

>>18807391
The economy is a false god, it was made up to keep a certain hierarchy. Jobs that could be done by robots are given to people so that people will have something to do. Agriculture corporations are paid by the government to keep the supply artificially low to keep prices at a certain point. They can print trillions out of thin air and the dow goes up. The evidence that it's all a ponzi scheme is out there.

who are these gals?

>>18807490
They are freedom fighters.

>>18807391
Aren’t they the guys that fud link?

>>18807490
They're men

>>18807442
Dude WHAT is wrong with this board?? What makes you think anybody is going to take care of your lazy ass? Why would doctors give you care, why would anyone develop new technology, why would anyone drive trucks to make sure there’s food in grocery stores? Get off your phone and go outside your brain is fried and you lack any ability to think. PLEASE be a troll post I really hope you don’t actually think like this holy FUCK

Heads up
>>18807442
This isn’t bait
>>18807886
This is

>>18807488
People like you believe the government should assume total control. And it scares me people like you exist. There hasn’t been a single Total socialist civilization that didn’t crumble in a short amount of time. Labor is what gives money value. If you devalue money, you devalue labor and the system gets crushed. You people need to look at what middle class living was like 100-500 to 1000 years ago. Middle class went from dirty stinky sleeping on hay to luxury and comfort and LESS hours of work. Surviving middle class in the past we’re forced to work 10-15 hour days just to survive. We now have 40 hour work week, food is widely accessible, our cars drive for us, yet all you poorfags think our way of life sucks!! Do you really think if economy was as bad as you libtards complain, that a company would be worth a trillion dollars by reselling cheap Chinese shit? Well amazon exists you Retards and it wouldn’t if nobody has disposable income like you claim. Fuck this board omfg fhdhshakaka

>>18807442
clown world, let Jerome keep printing.

Abolish trannies

>>18807972
You believe it too. You really just believe that you can print money and nobody has to work anymore. What the fuck is wrong with this boars, leave biz you don’t belong here. You are anti business and anti finance

>>18807391
Which ones the man?

>>18808026
as they say, things are never so good that they couldn’t be better

>>18807442
You're not welcome here, go back

>>18808067
It sure wouldn’t fucking happen if we all lived for free. Nobody would fucking work and the system would crumble. I would retire the same day that universal basic income happens. Fuck these totalitarian idiots

>>18807488
This is partially true, the economy is manipulated by the government constantly and it's really fucking stupid

>>18807886
>>18808026
>>18808059
>>18808147

>>18808066
Both. Duh

>>18807391
>hex investors keeping an eye on the situation

>>18807391
If you wanted to eliminate labor you could reduce regulations and let entrepreneurs innovate new ways of creating wealth


We would have the three day work week by now for sure if the government wasn't strangling the economy

>>18807442
Lol

>>18807391
Those are men.

>>18808059
This pandemic has already proven that not only can the government pay for everything, they should be paying for all services and giving people UBI. Literally nobody has to work unless they want to. Maybe go to a university and educate yourself, your Alabama farm is not going to give you higher learning.

>>18808390
It hasn't proved shit retard

OP, I've read a lot of retarded shit on this board. An unfathomable amount really. But I gotta hand it to you, you've somehow made the most retarded post I've ever seen. Congrats, you fucking idiot.

>>18808390
Go ahead and say it
>I was only pretending to be retarded!!! TROLLED XD

Why would I have to work to live? Other people should work and give me everything for free.

>>18808462
Summarizes OP's position

>>18807391
The fellow on the left is pretty cute

>>18807391
Fuck you comunists.

>>18808066
The one on the left. Right is an ogre.

>>18808458
I am not a troll. There is a reason why every educated person knows far right libertarian capitalism does not work. But hey, keep up the fascism, I hope one day you read a book instead of burning them.

>>18808646
>But hey, keep up the fascism, I hope one day you read a book instead of burning them

>>18807490
mentally ill men pretending to be women

>>18808646
>far right libertarian capitalism
Yeah because that's what we have now. Top analysis

>>18808646
>gov't gives one stimulus check
omg guys is this proof that they can fund a living wage UBI with no one working for the rest of time

>>18808893
Corporations run everything. This is capitalism.

>>18809127
I don't see any reason why they can't keep giving people the money they deserve.

>>18809868
Wanna know how I know you're a liberal arts college student?

>>18809868
they'll run out of it you fucking retard. where is the money coming from if no one is working? what you say might work in an almost 100% automated society, but as of right now it'll never happen. and no you cant just tax the rich. if you take all of the money rich people have currently, you will run out of funds fast. you need someone(aka. workers) producing excess profit from services and products that you can tax.
you think China will keep shipping shit over to us if we produced literally nothing?

>>18807391
dude on the right looks like a day trader

>>18809868
No one inherently deserves anything

>>18808320
lmao

>>18809988
The government can make all the money they want and take it from those who refuse to help the people. Why are you so dedicated to protecting those that treat you like slaves? My generation will take over and make sure there is equality for all.

>>18810571
>government can make all the money they want
and then it will have absolutely no value
>take it from those who refuse to help the people
for money, as I said, the rich don't have enough assets at any given moment to fund it. if you just freeze the workforce as it is and no one works another day, you will run out of money quick.
for assets, I guess if you are fine with going to war with China to take products that they aren't go to send to us, then just admit you are a hawk.

lets say you give everyone $24k per year (which is still not a comfortable living amount) to sit at home.
that will cost the gov't (aka the tax payers) $7.2 trillion per year. please tell me where you are going to get that money if nothing of value is being produced (neither products or services)

>>18810766
>>18810571
and by everyone I mean at a rounded 300m population.

>>18808026
Exactly. Unions are what help the middle and working class. We need to give the workers a higher bargaining power, so we can keep the weekend and the other advancements made possible because of unions

>>18810815
You are rounding the wrong way. This country is full of illegal shitskins we are closer to 400mil

>>18810869
I was giving the commie an easier issue to deal with. and yet it's still an impossible task

>>18808232
NICE ONE BOSS!

>arguing with communists

Why waste your breath? They think that they are the smartest people to ever exist on earth and that their ideas are unique and have never been thought of or implemented in our entire civilized history. What they are are lazy fucks looking for any excuse they can to not take responsibility for their own lives and survival. It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so transparent and sad.

>>18811076
So how come you're poor?

>>18808390
Yes, in less than 2 months, it's been proven. I hope for your sake that you really are a troll or like 19 tops.

>>18807391
Automation is going to replace all jobs by the end of this century. Most will be replaced my mid-century. Will need UBI or socialism in order to continue beyond that. AI could make central planning feasible.

>>18810766
You only seem to care about corporate gdp and wanting to force people to their enslavement. If the people controlled the government and seized the means of production then we would be able to produce everything while providing people with everything they need. Just let the government print the money needed and everything works instead of giving corporate handouts. Then people could work in areas they wanted if they wished that benefit society. The DSA has an entire platform that will benefit everyone except for the corporate parasite class.

Depends what you mean by "economy," if you mean "digits go up" then no. No one has to work. We can all just print money and give it to each other and punish ourselves in return by doing nothing of value all day then pump up the S&P to 5 million before we all collectively commit suicide. Then the algos and pump the S&P 1000% every day until the sun explodes.

But yeah if you are talking about living happier, higher quality of life, then you have to increase goods and services available per person.

>>18811194
ah so you do want people to work, the way you made it sound, it sounded like you wanted all people to stop working entirely.
but either way it's still retarded, how do you value peoples work in a communist society? I can tell you how it's done in a capitalist, the boss makes you and offer and if it sound right you can accept. now if there is an imbalance in the negotiation power the owner has then there are maybe some social things like unions you can propose. but how would a gov't fairly determine the value of your labor? because not all labor is equal, there are some job sectors that people would only go into only if they can be compensated well for it, but in reality the gov't will probably just force people to work where it wants them to work, as it always does.

I assume you are young. just so you know there has never been a single economic model that communist nor socialist have ever produced that has been ground breaking. the real politics are between left and right, for the most part, classical model vs keynesian model. I'll even admit that commies have some valid critiques of Capitalism, but they never have a real solution, just theories and hopes that it'll work out. while capitalists can tell you how their theory would probably work out mathematically.

>>18811314
Capitalism has no value for the worker, people are forced into slavery for corporate profit. Once people take over the means of production then people will decide what they wish to do, truly valuing people in society. Anyone who has ever tried communism was not an actual communist and every economy was sabotaged by capitalists. We will only be able to create a communist society once we eradicate all the capitalists and reactionaries to the revolution.

>>18808232
NICE ONE BOSS

>>18807391
Based granny staring at the ladyboy in disgust

Yes it does, you have to be stupid to think it doesn't. Literally all that's happening now is the government is forcing people to consume the current capital and goods, westerners can afford this because we have massive excess for various reasons. Look at India and you can see what happens when you force the poor to do the same, they ran out of food on day 2. Printing money does not make goods magically appear, all it is doing is allowing people to consume what was already saved.

>>18811565
>t. Not even baiting
>We
Who is "We" you utterly retarded chapofag? You & all your tranny friends that get triggered when your Israeli factory farmed horse-piss estrogen pills run out? You're not taking over shit. And the current system isn't either Capitalism (an actual rational free market) or Fascism (where workers own the means of production via full participation in the state). It's a shitty knock off of Chinese "State Capitalism", ie a kind of inverse social democracy where Keynesian-style economics are used to squeeze value upwards to a ruling class elite rather than redistributed downwards to workers. Nobody likes it outside of rich boomers, least of all the actual AnCaps & Fascists on the board. And all your desire for "Communism" & UBI will do is empower that same ruling elite further. If you're going to be a commie, at least be a tankie or NazBol or something & not some faggot who thinks advocating for every social change that benefits megacorporations is being "#TheResistance".

>>18811565
ok, I'm sure there's a ton of people just waiting to pounce on the sewage treatment plant or any other horrible job. and yes capitalism does give something to workers, it gives them the means to turn their labor into value. whether that be a factory, a forklift bought by the capital owner, etc. it is a contract between two parties, one with labor to give but not the risk tolerance to produce it by themselves, and the risk tolerant/those with capital, willing to offer the opportunity and risk needed to start that new business.
also just wondering, I've never heard this answered, how do commies determine where resources should be allocated? like what determines what products are needed and in demand? cause I can think of a system that is built around supplying resources in the most efficient manner to produce the most benefits and it doesn't rhyme with kommunism.
also good luck not getting economic versions of a nimby, where they never want the government playing with their money and taking risks for possible growth.

>>18807391

>>18811565
also, imagine advocating for a system where everything has to work perfectly to succeed, you need "real communist" whatever that means. and you can't be "sabotaged" by capitalist societies decide not to trade with a country that is actively trying to fund a revolution its own country, funny that, dontcha think.
Just so you know, making a system where you assume everyone will work perfectly for theirs and everyone else benefit, isn't a stable system. Imagine a Civil Traffic Engineer trying to make the most perfect efficient roads but only works assuming that everyone on the road will comply and doesn't have any faults, he would be a failure of an engineer. if you have no tolerance for idiots, the incompetent, or just those who don't want to play along, your system will fail.

>>18808499
>>18808599
the one on the left is a man and the one on the right is a woman

>>18811756
>all the actual AnCaps & Fascists on the board
So are you finally admitting that ancaps/libertarians are in fact the fascists you pretend not to be? Its almost as if everyone knew you were all along.

Why do leftists want to abolish ICE? Why is immigrants so important? Can't you have free healthcare without Mexicans?

>>18812472
>ancaps/libertarians are in fact the fascists

You chapotrannies are utter retards. How can you see a fascist and libertarian and think it's the same thing? Are you actually being serious or do you say this just for propaganda purposes? Its the most retarded thing I've ever seen

>>18812583
>The minimum wage for low skilled workers needs to be increased
>Rent and housing is too expensive
>We should flood the job market in our country with more low skilled workers from 3rd world countries who will also increase the demand for housing

Socialist types are fucking retarded and hold lots of beliefs that are diametrically opposed to other beliefs they hold, it's incredible.

>>18812605
Ok, so what if there was a fascist on the street corner spouting his evil vile ideology. Would you allow that to happen?

>>18812636
I've always suspected most chapos are just repackaged neoliberals that have appropriated Marxist imagery. I mean there's really not much different from them and Angela Merkel at the end of the day. Maybe compared to American "neoliberals" they're considered radical but their politics are essentially the norm for mainstream Germany or France which are run by globalist "neolibs"

>>18812675
>Ok, so what if there was a fascist on the street corner spouting his evil vile ideology. Would you allow that to happen?

Well i do hold many "fascist" beliefs so probably

>>18812684
wtf is a chapo?

These young people are emotional and therefor easily manipulated, they are incapable of thinking one or two steps ahead of any policy decision that they support.

>>18812706
So now that you can confirmed for a second time that ancaps/libertarians are fascists I have another question. Why are the overwhelming amount of people who are interested in bitcoin far right nazis?

>>18812761
>i will get him this time
all blockstream devs are communist trannies
as are ethereum devs
and most shitcoin devs

>Nazis never call themselves "fascist"
>never consider themselves "fascist"
>"fascism" is just an Italian term and label for their own domestic nationalist politics
>Nazis go by "national socialist" and do not hide the fact that they're for a hugely powerful state and elements of industrial nationalization, just on a national scale rather than the predominant internationalist socialists of the time

Some decades of massive cope, revisionism, and brainwashing later you have modern socialists who unironically think they aren't brothers with the Nazis and that the Nazis are magically closer to people who advocate for a hugely downsized state and personal liberties

And as if that wasn't hilarious enough, the "antifascist" socialist group literally looks and acts just like Nazi thugs of the era.

>>18812761
What do you think fascism is? It's a very specific ecomonic structure and what you're describing isn't it.

>>18812761
not a fascist, ancap, or libertarian, so I can def say from an outside perspective, you're retarded. you use Fascism like neocons use Nazi, where they call liberals Nazi's, commies Nazi's, or anyone they don't like Nazi's. maybe you should study what the terms actually mean. also just a quick factoid, fascism doesn't necessarily mean racism, if that's what you mean by evil vile ideology.
people could say that your ideology is evil and vile. even if you forget the killing of your "enemies". the fact that it doesn't work and will ruin peoples lives and you are willing to choose to make that sacrifice for them in order to try and reach your false utopia.
at least some capitalists gone overboard are willing to admit that they are just trying to make profit, but you would kill and ruin lives in the guise of being a savior.

>>18812830
Here you go, friendo

>>18807465
Nah, just British ladies.

>>18812887
Its a far right totalitarian nationalism.

>>18812901
>>18812830
Its all irrelevant, if you don't do everything in your power to extinguish fascists/nazis/far right bigots then you are one. Its very simple really.

>>18812944

There isn't even really a horseshoe. That concept is a cope in of itself. They're just the same thing as socialists, but with more nationalism and racism than usual. Not that the racism is notable, literally everybody in the 1930's were raging racists. FDR wouldn't even give Jesse Owens a phone call and threw Japs in camps, it's a moot point.

>>18812973
>if you don't do everything in your power to extinguish tankies/chapo's/pinko's/commies, then you are one. its very simple really
or how bout
>if you don't do everything in your power to extinguish Centrists, then you are one. its very simple
how old are you anyway?

>>18812973

>look at this meaningless squiggly line I drew on Microsoft Paint to denote literally nothing other than the fact that I don't want to acknowledge the fact that I'm more Nazi than any other modern political sect in the United States

see >>18813007

>>18812973
>Its a far right totalitarian nationalism.
That is an amorphous word salad. Give us specifics. What does totalitarianism look like? What does nationalism look like? What does totalitarian nationalism looks like?

>>18813014
The difference is that communists are trying to make the world a better place for the people, not rule through oppressive hate.

>>18812973
>Its a far right totalitarian nationalism
You think everything that isn't communism is far right totalitarian nationalism though. You say fascist but what you really mean is counter-revolutionary, the reason you use the epithet fascist is that you believe you can con normies into supporting you and overlooking the fact that you're a revolutionary communist.

>>18813064
It looks like a far right nationalist capitalist country run with hate, bigotry, and racist. Basically exactly what Trump is doing to the USA if we don't stop him.

>>18813081
LMAO
You faggots hate literally everyone that has more than you and want to rob and murder them.

>>18813081
ah yes, you're probably still in highschool. it's really easy when you paint the world as the good vs the evil. just to let you know, most people want the best for the world, even if their political system is flawed. not many people genuinely want to make it worse. that includes you, even though your ideology would only ruin lives. luckily it will never be implemented in any meaningful way.
try looking up realpolitik, you probably have never heard of it. it's the political strategy of trying to do things that can actually work, not willing to risk it all for a perfect Utopian ideological belief

>>18813136
I go to a university, so I am much more educated and aware of the true nature of the world than you teenage edgelords.

>>18813113
You think everything is "hate bigot and racist" though.

>>18807391
Abolish jews

>>18813007
>They're just the same thing as socialists
On specific points and on surface level: yes. But then again that's true for many political groups. I'll give you some demonstrations if you are unfamiliar with this.
Marxist socialism and it's fractions (current day socialism) is internationalistic and to an rising degree, individualistic.
National socialism is first and foremost for the ethnic people as a group or the nation.
Modern liberalism is individualistic and to a rising degree international.
>>18812830
>And as if that wasn't hilarious enough, the "antifascist" socialist group literally looks and acts just like Nazi thugs of the era.
The political fringe always act like the political fringe does. Doesn't matter too much about what politics they represent and to the degree that it does you'll find plenty difference between nazi groups and maxist groups

>>18807391
Nice cock bro

>>18813113
I'm not going to ask you to give examples that prove he is a 3 of those things. Let's just say he is for now, and racism was one aspect of German fascism. So how are archo-capitalists implicated in this in exact terms?

>>18807391
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DofxovZWoqo

>>18808232
NICE ONE BOSS!

>>18813162
I'm educated as well, didn't finish CS because of calc, so transferred to business. traveled to many countries for study abroad, took many liberal arts courses, etc. it's sad when people have such a narrow view of the world.
listen to this, please don't react emotionally to this. Hitler did what he thought within his mind was the best thing, his values may have been different (wanting to help the german people) and the way of doing it he may have been misinformed (thinking it was the jews fault). But you have to recognize that not many people feel good thinking they are the genuine bad guys, what is usually happening is a lack of information, misconstrued goals, or maybe just different ethical beliefs (for example utilitarianism vs deontology). I really hope you consider this theory, it will relieve you of this crazy would you built yourself thinking there are boogeymen all around you. it will allow you to judge your own goals, and try to see what path truly aligns with the goal the most, with the best information you can have. I know there are some people who are evil just for evil sake, but they usually have mental issue, the average person likes to think of themselves as good people. they are human too.

>>18813171
Well most things can be interpreted like that if you look at "love" and "hate" in relative terms. But when you do that, there is nothing wrong with "hate" in the same way there is nothing wrong with "love".
When someone accuse you of being and "hateful" towards people of other races they also accuse you of "loving" your own race.
Leftists often use "hate" interchangeable with "dispreference"

>>18813162
Although now I’m convinced this is ruse, I have to admit that the ladies in your picture make an interesting point. If we abolish ICE no one in America would need to work if they didn’t want to. We could import third worlders to do all the manual labor and menial work. Forget about the fact that while they play dress up for the rest of their lives, human trafficking and a literal slave class of immigrants forms.

>>18813219
If you are an ancap you would still allow the nazis to exploit your leniency to allow them to spread their propaganda and take over. I have no doubt that every ancap understands they enable and support the spread of their ideology, they just don't like to admit it.

>>18807488
>Agriculture corporations are paid by the government to keep the supply artificially low
They keep supply of everything low. Theres entire lots full of cars unused. Almost everything could be close to free but the money masters dont want that

>>18813413
Doesn't that mean ancaps are communists too?
I mean they allow you communists to spread your propaganda and stop the fascists from blackbagging you all in the middle of the night....

>>18813413
>If you are an ancap you would still allow the nazis to exploit your leniency to allow them to spread their propaganda and take over
Yes, in the same way that:
>If you are an ancap you would still allow the marxists to exploit your leniency to allow them to spread their propaganda and take over
But by the way you fear a nazi-takeover it almost seems like you know that their ideas would win on a free market

>>18807391
>Does the economy need people to actually work for it to function?

Does food grow with nobody to farm it?

It's amazing lefty retards can alternate between "we need desperate illegal aliens to plow our fields, it's hard work that no American will do" and "nobody needs to work, basic income for all now" in the same day.

>>18813514
>Does food grow with nobody to farm it?
Miraculously enough, food does actually grow without human intervention. It's generally not as homogenized and easy to harvest when it grows "wild," but is still edible.

>>18813477
They can't support communist by the very fact they are capitalists.

>>18813603
Then they can't support national socialist by the very fact they are capitalists. I hope you were only pretending to be retarded for the last 7 hours

>>18813635
Ancaps and libertarians only pretend they care about "freedom", but they all know they would benefit under nazis and that nazis were never socialist.

>>18813470
It’s not quite that simple. Farmers get subsidies to ease fears of over planting so that there is always enough food to go around. If a hog farmer loses a bunch of money because his pigs aren’t getting to market, you don’t want him to stop growing pigs next year because on a large scale that will cause real problems

>>18807442
So you should be rewarded with all the perks of society simply because your mother squirted you out of her ass?

>>18813676
here we go again with this grand conspiracy about you're average joe. sorry, but that dude down the street that doesn't like taxes and doesn't like that the gov't says he can't grow weed isn't some secret nazi. and even if Nazi's were never socialist, they weren't capitalists. I agree, extremely libertarian/anarchist ideologies are retarded because they leave themselves vulnerable to a stronger force/political power. but don't actually believe that no one in the world except for you and your friends are genuine and that there are no people who don't like gov't.
I'm sorry but you live in a delusion.

>>18813413
Are you familiar with any a cap authors?

>>18807886
for perks and to dab on plebs, duh

>>18813750
Then why do all those people in the flyovers consistently vote for far right extremists politicians?

>>18813676
Daily reminder that communists are morally and intellectually deficient animals that must be put down for the good of the species.

>>18813820
>all those people
going to have to be a bit more specific bud
>far right extremists
if they are genuinely Libertarians they are probably voting for libertarians and losing like they always do. and you are quite hyperbolic, most right wind politicians aren't far-right. but ik, liberals are actually right, so therefore conservatives are actually far-right, but no conservatives and fascists or nazis are not the same thing.
so if they are libertarian and they vote for conservatives, it's probably because they are compromising. giving up some of their beliefs because more of their others fit compared to the other party.

>>18813934
LOL, WTF, republicans are basically Nazis without the flag and democrats are essentially right wing. If you vote for someone trying to conserve fascist, racist, sexist, homophobic bigotry then you support all those things.

>>18808147
>I would retire the same day that universal basic income happens

No you wouldn't. There's no such thing as enough money people will always want more. When UBI was tested in Finland the group that got it actually worked MORE days than the control group.

>>18813820
i have a question. Lets say we implement a sort of communism that the gov just prints money and gives to us. And lets say that will be no side effect of that.
Why do i need to work ever again? Why will people work again?

>>18813820

They don't, they think they are voting for small government responsible conservative 'don't borrow too much and let's not go too crazy with spending' politicians, who are actually just neoliberals that promote crony capitalism.

The democrats vote for politicians who they think are left-of-center economically and socially libberals, but who are actually neoliberals that promote crony capitalism and what is increasing increasingly like Reaganomics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmktzPFauDE&t=

Businesses need money to produce stuff.

People need money to buy stuff that makes businesses money to produce said stuff.

And more money for businesses mean they can hire more staff which gives more people money that mean more people buy more stuff which means businesses make more money...

Cycle repeats. Not that confusing anon. The very concept of money becomes stupid if nobody works

>>18814126
i guess the whole point of him is the idea of money. Imo he would be more interesting to question the idea of money. Why do we need money? Because in the end of the day that what both systems try to work on.

>>18813971
a reality check, commies are only really a thing online, they aren't a serious force in the real world, when people think left vs right, they don't think commies vs everyone else. they think republican vs democrat.
>conserve fascist
fascist is an actual political ideology, it doesn't help using it so loosely without any real definition
>racist
sure some may be racist, but that doesn't mean all are, sorry but wanting to control boarders and have a better immigration process isn't racist (at least not always). if people were hopping the Canadian boarder and illegally staying here then it would be a problem as well.
>sexist
again not all, sorry but denying that women are vastly discriminated against simply because of their gender is not sexist. maybe wondering if there are other more nuanced and complex reasons is perfectly fine.
>homophobic bigotry
I know many conservatives who are fine with lgbt+, especially libertarians since they generally think that the government shouldn't even be involved in personal affairs like that.

I just ask as I've stated before, stop this me vs them mentality, thinking that anyone that isn't with you are the real extremists and are actually truly evil of their own accord. if an actual revolution actual happened (it wont) your own purity spiral will be the doom of the movement.

>>18807391
Wtf timeline did I end up in this time. I cant even...

>>18807442
>>18807391
People have legitimately gone full retard

>>18811565
why do you think a group of many people would respect other people vs a group of a few people?

>>18814269
If the majority are too uneducated to understand what is best for them then harbingers of the revolution that do must spearhead what must be done. It doesn't matter how they feel.

>>18814045
Because people like working and they want more money, actual lifestyle NEETs are a small minority of the whole population. By your logic billionaires wouldn't exist, they would've all retired when they reached millionaire status.

>>18807391
People like this will not exist on Earth anymore in about 10-15 years.

>>18814380
mf i asked him that question not you.

>>18814406
Nice dodge when you don't have a counter argument.

>>18807391

Who’s going to make shit? Monkeys?

>>18814325
thats very narcissistic to say that only and a certain group of people are educated

>>18807886

He mad.

Because if there isn't a straw man to attack, people might attack actual problems

>>18814423
bro are you fucking mental? I asked the commie that question which your answer is the answer to my question. What fucking counter argument i should have when im asking the fucking question

>>18808026
Fuck off Greenspan, you scheming jew. Just because people want a free market that’s liberated from your wealth-consolidating Ponzi scheme doesn’t make us bad people

>>18814433
Is it narcissistic if it is true?

>>18813820
>Then why do all those people in the flyovers consistently vote for far right extremists politicians?
lmao you think everyone that isn't a communist revolutionary is a far right extremist though!

>>18814547
The only people who think it's true are people like you though, so yeah it is.

>>18814547
I dont see that tho. You say that the goverment should pay everybody UBI. Fine, lets say we agree in that. Why do i need to work again? Why should anybody else work ever again?

>>18807886
If the government gave us a BHI of $2000 a month there would still be people working to earn more. Working people will never quit working even if they had the world given to them. Some people love working as a wage slave and some people will always want more sobif they have a chance to earn more they will. Basic human income wont stop the world, it will help the poor class have a chance of living better. The children born into hell to a crack addict mother would now have a chance at a normal life.

>>18814607
Exactly, we don't need to work unless we want to. In a non-capitalist society that could become true and we have the means to do so, but we need the will to do so.

>>18814651
>>18814325
you guys are just complete psychopaths wearing masks one hand is open to shake but behind your back is a fucking hammer

>>18813275
>durr im educated
>too retarded for calculus
nice one boss

>>18814710
calc II to be clear, I liked discrete though.

>>18814651
do you realize what you just said?
>unless we want to
that means only a small percentage of people will. How many people will want to continue for medschool? Do you think people go through that shit just because of the sense of helping people? And if so, how many will you have left?
Whos gonna do all the necessary jobs? Accounting, cleaning, building? You think people will just show up because they have a sense of duty and a desire to help others?
Look at you, you hate already 50% of US just because they are right of center in political ideologies.

>>18814733
>couldnt do integrations or taylor series

>>18808232
NICE ONE BOSS!

honestly, I think we should automate everything that can be automated, and people should dedicate their lives to serve one each other, educate themselves or support the automation system also, UBI is retarded IMO. money should not be given directly to people. these are the things that should be given to people: food, shelter, health, education. that's enough for people to survive. want money? work for it. want other resources? either work for it by yourself or convince people to join you in your project.
of course that's only a dream. the problem with that picture is that people would lack motivation, which in this society is given by money. that is, unless you brainwash them all and make them believe helping one each other keep the system is the way it should be done. also, most people are fucking retarded anyway, so it'd be a miracle if it worked. there would have to be an equilibrium, though.

>>18812830
you do know that one thing is the political rethoric, and a complete different thing are actions, right? you shouldn't judge people, much less whole political groups, based on their discourses. go read a history book and tell us how "socialist" those nazis/fascists were. and also, start by defining socialism, because, you know, socialism is not a single, rigid thing, but multiple, and changes over time.

>>18814844
I could integrate a bit, it's been a while, but from what I remember (not much) but I think the parts I struggled with was when they just gave you a long equation and you just had to know which formula to use when you saw it without any notes. the kinda shit where there might have been a single minus sign in a spot and that determines where you'll be heading for the couple min on the test (maybe it was my teacher, but tests were usually only a couple problems but extremely long questions)
either way, cant really make excuses now that it's over. I still was able to understand more than 90% of the general public, and I am doing well now and still going to be able to do something I like.

>>18807442
i don't get why everyone is attacking this guy
he spoke the truth, there is no reason for anyone to wage-slave

>>18816167
because he said silly things
compare communist currencies to others
how often do you meet communists on holiday
>literally never
because their currency is completely worthless
if you have been to those countries, they will love you for trading them dollars or other 1st world currency

>>18816662
Tell that to China who has masterfully managed the value of the Yuan. Enough to have the US constantly bitch about it. Oh wait, I was told communism cant work.

>>18816693
they aren't communist anymore brainlet
they also aren't some "utopia" of diversity and mixed religions with degenerates and trannies everywhere
they are one race
one colour
almost completely one religion
>muslim reeducation centers

>>18816750
Always remember, every communist party is socialist to get to communism. While the CCP have strayed from the original goal, they are certainly doing far better than any fascist capitalist propaganda paints them as.

>>18816781
we don't have any facist capitalist governments lol, they are all weird globalist/socialist/capitalist monstrosities

>>18807442

Sure, and food will grow on a tree.

Fucking imbeciles.

>>18816820
>ignores Trump's america

>>18807391
Fuck off commie

>>18816750
>one race

no. this is why /pol/ retard don't understand anything. race is literally a social construct, ethnicity is real, and theres 10s of ethnicities within china.

>>18813162
If you were a better person, you wouldn’t be here.

>>18816953
yeah nah, i don't think a facist dictator would suck off israel as much as trump does
>>18817118
that is like english norf and souf
blacks etc aren't english

>>18807391
Is that Christian Weston Chandler?

>>18808320
kek

>>18812954
don't think so mate
they look pretty American to me

>>18807391
>Abolish work
Well who's going make those Starbuck frappes for you, when you discuss your socialistic utopia with your communist friends and post on tumblr and reddit using your macbook?

>>18817389
>implying basic stores cant provide with free worker provided communist structure.

>>18817436
>Implying people are inherently unselfish, and would work en masse for free to provide services to other people
Do you hear that? It's the distant cry of users in r/CommieTrannies who miss their leader. Why Don't you head back?

>>18813014
>if you don't do everything in your power to extinguish Centrists, then you are one. its very simple
Correct.

>>18807442
If it's not bait, you did not understand the simplest mechanisms of economies. You will fail in personal financial planning and life in general.

>>18807442
>muh gibs
Lmao you fucking nignog

>>18814822
Not that anon but wouldnt that increase demand and thus increase salaries so people would be more inclined to actually work?

the insurance economy is still booming

mainly because its a scam that has zero labour, minimal service etc. It is a transaction for nothing.

>>18807391
Work as we know it is an invention of the industrial revolution. In it work is capital of the company owner. The company owners strive for higher profits resulting in the accumulation of money, which was initially thought of as a mere medium of exchange. I don't argument against the technological progress that the industrial revolution has brought, but for the normal worker (and the worker of today includes the office wagie and smaller self-employed people) it means less personal freedom and happiness. In the 18th century company owners had to destroy the villages of very poor land tenants to get them to work in the cities as weavers. People preferred extreme poverty over working like a tool for someone else although they were provided with their basic needs by the company owner. Nowadays we've already been broken since generations and only know this system and nothing else. But if you think, sacrificing your best years and limiting your freedom to work in a fixed 5 day per week pattern in a corporation to work for someone else's profit seems kind of a strange idea given that we are here on earth for a limited timeframe.

>>18807391
Yes it does. Who the fuck do you think tends to the farms, operates factories, transports the goods and stocks the shelves.

>>18818136
Everything can and will be automated.

>>18814449
Noice, I was there when a fella posted this sheila and claimed she was an ex of his.

I just felt like posting this useless post, trash thread anyway.

>>18807442
Based and redpilled

>>18818374
I fucked with her

>>18807391

Eliminate non working excess humans
Only the >>18818136 people are needed the rest can be liquidated

>>18807391
Yes, you have to produce something of value for your economy to have value. But currently since our dollar is based on population and not gold, due to how this complex ponzi scheme country is set up, our "value" is dropping astronomically every year. The Feds are crashing the dollar, whether this is a good thing or a bad thing remains to be seen. The only thing that's certain is that only a handful of people understand what's happening.

>>18813111
Based

>>18816167
Wage slavery is not a symptom of the free market. Its a symptoms of the devaluation of currency ever since the Feds took us off the Gold standard.

>>18816953
Ebic troll

>>18818451
This. Unirinically. Cheap money is the problem.

>>18808050
this, society would improve greatly

imagine 50 years ago when it was exceedingly rare to see someone not accepting the reality of their own gender. the internet is great but it has brought some problems as well.

>>18807391
>Does the economy need people to actually work for it to function?

No ofcourse not, good will magically appear on your plate. No one needs to work to make this happen. The cow will just come walking and lay down on your plate.

Same goes for phones, netflix, etc. no one needs to work, these things just magically appear.

>>18808599
It's all ogre from where I'm sitting.

>>18818767
Just like with everyone successful there will be people emulating it, and most of them will fail miserably. For every instathot, for every elon musk there are thousands of people who tried and failed. Same goes with trannies, there are passable, well adjusted (non political) pretty trans and those poor sods tried to be like them

>>18807391

There is a very good reason why only the dumbest, laziest, ugliest, greediest, narcissistic, self-serving, a moralistic, irrational, sociopathic, deranged, predatory, gluttonous, worthless trash of society all flock to this bullshit ideology known as socialism.

>Society is too easy. Coddling has become part of social normality. These fucking rejects are merely the byproduct of the minority of our society being allowed to live despite how fucking useless and abnormal they are. They are allowed to do whatever they want because certain groups can use them as voting stock. They are able to survive despite how fucking functionally useless they are to everyone but themselves and to political agendas.

I hold faith in the fact that in all possible scenarios, they will end up dead.
Communists will put these fucking rejects against a wall as soon as they got into power.
Totalitarian eugenicists will euthenics them to cleanse the gene pool.
Our current system will grow tired of their shit and pass laws to prevent this shit from happening for another 200 years.

>Let them rot, but first, let them consume my products for a profit so I can continue to laugh at their literal expense.

>>18807391

>>18807391
FUCKING TRANNY JANNY
HIROSHIMOOT, KICK THAT COCK SUCKER OUT!!!
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>18807391
no OP, obviously an economy with nobody working, nothing being produced and nothing being consumed is worth more than the economy in 2017

>>18820031

Anything even remotely good for the American people will never pass because Americans have been propagandized to hate themselves too much.

>>18807391
Why do you think billions of dollars are spent every day to keep people stupid.

>>18807442
Negros have been getting checks for doing nothing for decades. You’re late to the party.

>>18808232
NICE ONE BOSS

>>18808232
NICE ONE BOSS!

>>18807442
Everybody hating on this comment is a small minded dumbass

Getting $1200 a month isn’t gonna break society, itll give everyone a bare minimum to afford basics. Obviously more people are gonna want more due to our consumerist behavior, thus a lot of people will continue carrying jobs which will help subsidize the shit pay a lot of jobs provide for many Americans.

But if you don’t work and just take free money you’ll only be able to afford shit food, shit furniture, and a shit apartment in a shit area — but the difference is at least you can afford shit

>>18808232
NICE ONE BOSS!

>>18808232
NICE ONE BOSS

>>18807490
abominations

>>18807391
ABOLISH FAGGOT TRANNIES.

Thats what their signs should say.

I like ice!

>>18816848
Food do grow on trees tho

>>18814646
and what happens after prices inevitably go up?

>>18819811
lol passable and pretty trans people? maybe during a short period of their youth, then they take suicide.
also there are more elon musks than non-political trannies in the world.

>>18807391
This. Why I invested in magic ages ago.

>>18807391
i think it's amusing that 30 million people lost their jobs and the world is still going, the only difference being store shelves are stocked a little more poorly. who knew that people who farm, process meat, provide healthcare, work in manufacturing, or provide utilities are all that is necessary for modern life.

>>18824683
You make a good point anon.
>All the restaurants that thots drag their boyfriends to are gone.
And nothing of value was lost.

>>18808232
NICE ONE BOSS!

>>18807391

soon the economy won't need workers. Androids are not that far off. maybe 20 years.

>>18824683
maybe you need someone to keep the electricity going as well. and the water plants. and road maintenance.

>>18823829
I think he means real food