/biz/ - Business & Finance

>would have made thousands if I shorted Tesla

How mad must he be that his attempts to pump the market into close failed miserably

>>18811392
>bull
Fake bull is over, even Elon is a bear now.

What's everyone holding over the weekend? I'm holding TLT, UGL, TQQQ, and some SPY puts

Opinions on DFEN?

>TSLA 700p 5/1 was around .12 per contract at 9am
>Could have bought 3 contracts and made atleast 3 grand

>>18811410
Should have taken his earnings call rant as a sign that he’s off his meds

>>18811410
I feel the same

Why do you guys dislike dividends? Isn't it a good way to grow your money with low risk?

>>18811417
lil donnie is afraid of the wuflu. Based musk checkmated his ass.

>>18811417
? It did pump. It was suppose to collapse to 2796 at least, 2780 more likely. Now it won't do that until Sunday futures open.

>>18811425
imagine how it's going to moon when aliens arrive

I only respect cunny and cheapies, bros.

Who bought the SOXL dip?

>>18811444
It's mathematically no different from a buyback, and less tax-efficient.

what does the average sanders fan's portfolio look like (assuming they even have one)

>>18811444
most people on here dont give two fucks about what their finances look like in 10 years it has to happen NOW

>>18811444
Because it's literally no better than selling off shares of something without a dividend. I don't see why dividend stocks are preferred by anyone.

>>18811444
I love dividends. It’s a longer game though and the people who hate them are young fags looking to get rich quick

>>18811444
most people don't hold stocks here for more than 1 hour. Dividends aren't worth it unless your loaded and don't want to make money quicker. that or you don't want to watch your stocks and just put it in and walk away.

>>18811469
I am going to buy SOXL but not with VIX this high

>>18811445
He has actually germaphobia

>>18811410
Just buy and sell 0DTE options on hyper volatile meme shit with tight stop losses. Scalp 10 or 15% on the way up/down, ezpz.

>>18811463

Why is everyone shitting on exxon, like it’s a bad buy right now

>>18811476
The two don’t mix. Bernie fags send their income to Bernie.

What if you created an algorithm that acted on the basis to fuck another algorithm?

>>18811444
Now is not the time to pick up div stocks when you can grow your money with thousands of other options faster. I'd argue that buying corporate bonds right now would give better "guaranteed divvys".
When the market settles down...whenever that is you could put your non divvy stock play gains into divvy stocks. But really, the divvies get sacked by taxes anyway and will be outperformed by growth stocks.
Divvy stocks exist for passive retirement accounts and nothing else. The market simply gains so much more over inflation to make that a dumb passive play.

Why is everyone shitting on Exxon?

>>18811544
Then you get little algorithm babies. It's unironically called genetic programming.

>>18811469
bought some. Things feel very bearish. So I'll either make some money or buy more next week.

Mr. Trump you must reopen the country, literally whole fucking planet depends on it

>>18811554
Why is the tax situation different? Are dividends taxed as income instead of cap gainz?

>>18811461
Don't get my hopes up.

>>18811594
There's a special tax rate for dividends, and some states (like Tennessee) have an additional state tax for divvies on top of the fed divvie tax.

Green monday, I can feel it.

>>18811594
>>18811602
Overall, divvie tax rate is generally lower than the tax rate on income or short term cap gains but higher than the tax rate for long term cap gains.

>>18811612
Just like I felt the sharp recovery after lunch that didn't actually precipitate?

>>18811612
Probably. I bought spy puts and I’m not allowed to actually make gains so yeah green Monday and I’ll lose more money

>>18811562
Cute.

>Can’t transfer money to buy my stock
Why the fuck not Robinhood?

Tell me why not to buy oil Companies next week.

>>18811594
States can add taxes on top of qualified dividend tax rates effectively making it behave more like a short term capital gain tax rate.
In short, taxes start hurting any possible advantage over just holding a growth stock. And the divvy rate is complete garbage versus the capital input.

>>18811574
Yeah I only bought 10 shares, if it goes back down to sub 100 range I’ll buy a lot more.

>>18811593
The survival of the human species depends on it. Imagine going into a new dark age cause some boomers might finally keel over.

>>18811594
Depends on lots of factors, sometimes it's cap gain (e.g. in the case of ROC, in which case it's deferred), sometimes it's "special", sometimes it's business income, sometimes it's non-business income.

>>18811682
lmao

>>18811682
That would have a much greater chance of saving us all desu senpai. Without an equalizing event the wheel will just keep on turning.

>>18811682
The kids, grandkids, and great grandkids of boomers are going to be paying for the "legacy" of the Boomers

>>18811425
imagine how it's going to moon when Iran and Russia go to war and America sticks its nose in it

>>18811682
Yer a retard, space is shit, we're stuck here and we'd do well to fucking work with the resources available within those constraining factors. Period.

>>18811765

>>18811718
What did he mean by this?

>>18811469
I bought some more at 111

Can't decide how much cash reserve to keep for a possible dip, though I don't think it's really gonna happen

>>18811765
It'll all be for nothing if a large asteroid happens to wipe us out though. Might as well have some self sufficient colonies set up on Mars and the Moon before then. I think we really need fusion power or some other source of "near infinite" energy before that'll be viable though. Maybe more efficient solar panels and vastly more energy dense battery technology would do it as well.

>>18811815
Im not certified junkie translator so idk

get in loser, we're going to retest the lows

>>18811826
Nuclear power is already clean

What was the earliest someone pointed out musk’s tweet on here? Was it long after the crash or quick enough to where we all could’ve cashed in on that shit? (I don’t use Twitter)

>>18811815
Pandering to the ironic weebs who worship celebs

>>18811857
Who said anything about clean? Also nevermind the barrels of radioactive waste that we bury lmao

>>18811851
bobos
its time

>>18811857
It's not bad, certainly better than most other power sources we currently use. Fusion just has so much more power output in relation to fuel though. And it makes helium, which is useful in construction and industrial applications like welding.

>>18811863
/pol/ posted it literally immediately, so I would assume same here.

>>18811863
well stock has been on decline since ER so decline started pre tweets but you had about 3% to cash out after

How do we hold China accountable for what they've done to the global economy?

>>18811863
It was almost instantly, by the time I saw the post and checked Twitter to see if it was legit Tesla was still at 740. I should’ve opened a short, but felt like it could’ve just as easily bounced back, I guess I’m retarded

>>18811894
move factories to other countries

This is a chart. You anons have >48 hours to interpret this and make the easiest money of your lives. I will also give you a hint to check the options chain on the May 15th contracts

>>18811755
I suspect they don't care about that at all.

>>18811890
>>18811893
>>18811902

Thanks. I’ll have to pay closer attention to shit like this I guess. Clown world and market for sure, it’s laughable that they question him and try to hold his feet to the fire over stuff like this though. Guy should be able to do and say what he wants and if it affects someone else’s money fuck em it’s on them for investing in the first place. And I’m a Tesla and musk hater/basher.

>>18811826
>self sufficient colonies set up on Mars and the Moon
never gonna happen

>>18811894
By going to Amazon and buying more cheap crap made in China

Anyone else feeling kind of nervous of the week ahead?
Especially with the last two days' SP500 drop

>>18811894
Castrate Baggie.

>>18811943
CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK

>>18811978
no, I welcome chaos
the only way I lose is we move 0.0% whole week and I lose on overnight fees

What’s this mean bros? I don’t want to go to pol and here about bill And Melinda Gates foundation or microchips or blood donations are run by vampires.

>>18811943
Were in the institutional investor period already?!

>>18811983
absolutely based

>>18811978

Nervous of what? It goes up, it goes down. Repeat. You’ve only lost when you sell or don’t have money to buy.

>>18811963
Not in our lifetimes for sure. Maybe a couple hundred years down the road it'll be feasible though.

>>18811999
essentially nothing.
Depending on amount of tinfoiil layers in your hat here are two versions:
>everything is so shit they dont want doc to rep
>being in WH Fauci had access to information that cannot be released to public which doesnt necesserily mean its bad, it's just not public info and should be [REDACTED]

>>18811999
You are where the blue chart ends brainlet

So what are the chances that ehet gibbnd in chief doesn whas doesn yueodu

>>18811999
Checked, and also, good question. I suppose it means he has information that's not meant to be shared. It sounds fairly tin-foil hat-ish, but wouldn't be surprising at this point. Still waiting on those ayy lmaos.

>>18811826
I'd rather have space colonies like in Gundam so we can drop one

>>18812028

Mars and the moon are doable. Anything outside that is a meme even with bases there. Space is so huge you’d have to travel thousands of times faster than the speed of light to arrive anywhere in an almost timely fashion. traveling that fast isn’t viable for many reasons.

>>18811943
I'm so fucken horney

>>18811964
kek

Should I hold my spxs over the weekend /biz/ros?

Guyy feeldontttddgoood ;bbbbbbr

Hey guys let's say I wanted to make a tinder pretending to be a girl. What would a good bio look like? Something a sorority girl would have

>>18811425
But BA since that's what that is

Dicuvk i>I. Crosswaaaalk?

>>18812077
>what are hyperlanes

>>18812148
live laugh love
or
here for a fun time not for a long time

>>18812058
A-anon?

>>18812201
>>18812201
>>18812201
>>18812201
>>18812201
>>18812201
Tgv v

Hope you didn't sell today, lads. I feel there will be UK announcements about easing restrictions over weekend.

>>18812050
Did you mean to attach a pic so this insult would make sense?

>>18812047
>>18812069
Hmmm. Well I didn’t even know this hearing was happening, but I suppose they could want to avoid any simple thing like trump wanting to “let it rip” and ride out the virus, and ignoring it from December til finally doing things in feb/March.

Fauci handles questions well, but he’s definitely too honest and straightforward for a politician, especially the trump administration.

I’m really not looking forward to when he fires powell bros. He’s not going to nominate a volcker. He’s going to nominate someone he can easily control.

Happy Labour Day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtfnQ69_i7g

>>18812148
I like my men like my coffee, black.

>>18812148
no white boys

>>18811894
Glass it

>>18811887
also balloons

>>18812235
That's because he's a doctor, hypocratic oath

>>18811922
What would iron moon

>>18812249
I like men in my coffee

>>18812407
It looks like it's going to moon straight into the ground and then come out the other side.

automobiles, real estate, and oil are bear food next week friendos

just rise back please...i forgive everything just come back baby

>>18812249
I like my coffee like I like my women, bound in chains.

>>18811424
TSLA and some piece of shit QQQ calls. Actually loaded up my Roth on this dip so hopefully it pays off.

>>18812473
>automobiles, real estate, and oil
>in this situlation
Next week is going to be a bloodbath, isn't it

what do I short?

>>18812554
Everything

>>18812554
uvas

>>18812527
even the entertainment names there are fucked, disney, blizzard, EA I think people are rotating to less jewy forms of entertainment.

even fucking Tyson has had meat plants shut for ages and are going to get super bad press for months due to the shortage

the only ones on there that might be good are the auto insurance companies are are collecting fat premiums with no payouts at all.

Siemens probably doing ok given WFH shit

>Nasdaq effectively moves with just 3 tickers
>one of those is zoom
Can we retire this piece of shit index as part of the "big 3" and put the Russell in its place already?

>>18812473
>Lyft, Marriot. and Shopify on the same day
OH LAWDY

>>18812611
I think Blizzard earnings will be positive. Warzone and WoW classic are on fire over there

>>18812554
(((Naughty Dog)))

so the market crashed and bitcoin kept it's pump why?

>>18811943
>>18812083
Literally retarded.

RTX brothers what are you going to do next week? Will you sell before earnings and hope that it drops?

Also Defense bros whats your favorite pick and why? I was thinking about either DCAing more into RTX or getting another companion for my arsenal.

>>18811472
>>18811485
> Selling

>>18812682
3% down is not a crash

>>18811978
I have extremely high IQ positions I could care less about that faggot index

>>18811485
>>18811472
Literally clinically retarded, oof!

>>18811999
democrats want an investigation literally scumbag faggots want him to say orange man bad.

>>18811444
Most of my stocks have 4%-9% yields and I'm in the green.

>>18811472
I don't pay tax on Canadian dividends in my TFSA account.

>>18812720
Oh you innocent naive mumu, just you wait and see

>>18812721
You could? How much less could you care? Are you somewhere halfway?

>>18811978
No one should be nervous. Longs are hoping for LE V RECOVERY and shorts ride the waves up or down.
>implying the stock market reflects the economy
Not true since 1980

>>18812720
4.7% and showing no sign of stopping. Sorry mumu but putting your head in the sand isn't going to fix your lot. Join us, it's a lot of fun over here.

>>18812682
>-1.09%
>crash
What are you talking about?

>>18812701

What's stopping me buying a stock before dividends, taking dividends and then selling the stock straight after? Wouldn't that be a better way to make money?

>>18812754
>ignoring previous days
Is this the birth of an ebin new maymay?

>>18812756

>>18812764
This is a strategy called "dividend capture". Some people do exactly that. The problem is that stock value is adjusted to account for dividend payout, so you have to wait a bit for it to recover. The trick is that some stocks recover extremely fast from dividend dips, so if you know what you're doing you can have a different stock every day of the year to capture into.

>>18812764
You typically have to hold the stock at least a week before the dividend payout day. People still do it but its a lot riskier than you realize for minimal gain.

Could someone please explain how to buy bonds? I did some research, but wanted to clarify a few things. So the price is the percentage of the face value? Lets say for simplicity 150 would mean +50%? And if the yield at maturity at the face value is 10% then if you buy at 150 and hold to maturity your effective yield is 50% less, so 5%? Does the coupon rate matter in this case?

>>18812766
>ignoring some of my stocks went up a ridiculous 10% in one day this week and they're still in the green

>>18812800
You really are special in the head huh.

>>18812230
Yeah, bozza made it through and I’m pretty sure he’s realised it’s literally just a cold.

remember to do the opposite what /biz/ says right now i smell the tranny bobos hovering like insects while the chad mumus enjoy their weekend.

have a good one lads see you monday!

>>18812701
RTX, LMT, AVAV, KTOS, NOC, GD, LHX, TDY, TDG

All take hits because aerospace is not big so go through them.

>>18812802
Yes you have to be a genius like you to keep losing money.

>>18812808
>bozza
boris? it seemed like he survived thanks to the preventive oxygen treatment since it could go either way.

FUTURES BLOOD RED!
>FUTURES BLOOD RED!
FUTURES BLOOD RED!
>FUTURES BLOOD RED!
FUTURES BLOOD RED!
>FUTURES BLOOD RED!
FUTURES BLOOD RED!
>FUTURES BLOOD RED!

>>18812766
>it IS crashing, zoom out

>>18812764
A lot of people do that.
That is why the stocks usually rise before ex-date and drop on record day.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/why-elon-musk-talking-down-his-stock-price
That's IT, I'm loading up on TSLA puts and nobody can stop me!

>>18812727
>literally scumbag faggots want him to say orange man bad
If that’s all it is then why doesn’t the White House just let him take the stand? He hasn’t vilified trump at all and he’s had plenty of opportunities.

(Maybe you fell for the “two separate parties” fallacy. It creates the illusion of choice, along with the infighting and “wedge issues” meme.)

>>18812701
LMT, because they have heavy exposure to defense and space, while having very little exposure to commercial air travel and low exposure to general manufacturing and industrial cyclicality.

Air travel is RTX’s biggest weakness, except for the difficulty integrating the merger. Also they still have to demonstrate that they’ve integrated their companies successfully.

>>18812815
You got a QRD on LHX? I know they have some space stuff and are another recent merger, but I don’t k IQ if they’re getting fucked by Boeing just like everyone else who does commercial.

BOBOS NOW IS OUR TIME, HEAR MY CALL! WHILE WE SUFFERED THE HORRORS OF SHORT SQUEEZES AND FED PUMPING, MUMUS LAUGHED AT US! AND NOW, FROM THE DEPTHS OF THEIR DESPAIR WE SHALL RISE! FOR WE ARE NO LONGER FINANCIALLY RUINED!

>>18812836
Learn the differences between the tenses.

>>18812746
>reddit
thanks for the (you)

>>18812860
Like half of TSLA stockholders are shorts that think they can predict the future for that shitcoin.
>gambling based on a ZH "assessment"
Why

>>18812871
I haven't looked into them that much. I know they sold off EoTech long time ago.

>>18812920
THIS TIME IT'S DIFFERENT
WEED MAN BAD
SHORT MILLIONS HERE WE GO

>>18812885
Learn the definition of crash

>>18812764
You'll be taxed on the sale and the dividend. What are you doing?

>>18812781
>>18812787
>>18812846
Thanks for the info. Probably tricky to pull off and you would need a reasonably large amount of funds to do it.

>>18811444
Dividends are great when you hold a shit ton of the stock, i.e. hedge funds or mutual funds

>Stoner friend just told me to buy Tesla stock
Put everything into gold guys, it’s bobo time

>>18813036
>friends with Elon
I admit, I am jelly

>>18811463
based cunnybro

I really, really hate anybody who isn’t white or Asian (born in North America) bros.

>>18811444
>Isn't it a good way to grow your money with low risk?
Same risk as holding stock that is growing.
Div yields of 1% 2% 3%? That doesn't even cover the inflation. An why pick between to growing companies because one give divs?

Companies that pay 10% 20% and have been around for a long time, that's another matter.

>>18811476
> average sanders fan's portfolio
A bunch of scribbles they call art. That's their average portfolio.

>>18813076
Fucking based

>>18813078
10-20%? I cannot imagine how fucked the Payout Ratio must be.

>>18813078
Nobody who's talking about divvy stocks means anything less than 5%, and preferably close to 10%. Typically 7-8% is the sweetspot (more than that and either the company is going under, is going to cut after just a couple payouts, or it has complex and unfavorable tax implications, less than that is not a divvy stock at all). Corona allows moving the sweetspot all the way to 16-17% though.

>>18812077
Moon bases coulda been done by now. Hell they got people living in space stations for months at a time now so surviving in space is an old hat for NASA. Could be argued that the space station is in fact more risky than the moon base cause the station is sitting all out in the open just begging for a meteor or bit of space junk to rip it to shreds (the hull of the station is thin as hell;an airplane hull is thin cause it has to be light weight and it's easy to put a hole in it, well in this case the thin airplane hull is thicker than the station's hull.)

>Zoom is worth 38 billion dollars

>>18813175
Zoom went up today because it got included in NASDAQ 100. How long before its remove?

>>18813200
How long before tesla is removed?

>>18813209
Why would they remove Tesla?

I can feel the greed overtaking me. But it feels unnatural to go for a risky bond play.

>>18813200
I feel like Zoom will be one of those meme stocks that gets written about in books. Is there anything they do that can't be easily replicated or isn't already replicated? I've used it before in uni, but when at my last job it was Google Hangouts. Literally the same thing.

>>18811476
The one free AMZN stock they got from working there. Oops nvm most of the ones I’ve asked sold it right when they got it/

I had Tesla put spreads for weeks now, but just this Tuesday my broker liquidated my options, even though they expire in June. Anyone know why?

Halliburton is moving hundreds of units from Texas to Oklahoma. Are they preparing for a large asset sell off?

>>18813228
Zoom can scale to hundreds of users no problem. Hangout commits suicide at 3 people.

>>18813224
>5% per year
>greed
Anon, you what?

People may hate NET but why should you care long as it's making you money with every uptick of the stock price?. It dipped today and I bought more cause it was below my avg price paid. Give it time. Hell look at Zoom. It was a low price little known company; then the virus came and pushed it into the spotlight. Those who were in already made a nice wad of money. Those who wanted to hitch a ride paid out the ass for the privilege. Hold today, profit out the ass later.

>>18813228
>Cisco Webex
>Microsoft Teams
>Skype
>Other free services
Zoom is literally stolen from Cisco. The Chinese CEO used to work there. Now he makes spyware for CCP. Just wait until Trump blows this little shit pile.

>>18813223
CEO is a volatile nutjob if he made it drop 10% from one tweet imagine when he does something worse

>>18813274
>It was a low price little known company

>>18813272
>pay 381 dollars to get back 1000
That is the main greedy part. The coupon is whatever.

>>18813238
They either told you why and you’re not telling us, or you need to call the SEC

>>18813241
I doubt it.
More heavy equipment auction sites in Texas than Oklahoma.
This is kind of my job so if I see any Halliburton stickers on oilfield trucks at sale sites I will post them

>>18813259
Ahhh okay, this makes sense, but what prevents any other company from doing the same? Scaling is the new epic meme at every tech place.

>>18813224
Bruh I was looking at this exact thing. Been looking up possible cheap bonds. It seems crazy people offer them so low but I suppose thats the risk if they don't pay out.

>BOBO
TIME
BOBO
>TIME
HEY
>EVERYBODY
ITS BOBO TIME

>>18813224
Maturity is 2021 is a massive red flag unless they can reissue.

I think Monday will be green and we will have another wave up next week. Unironiclly.

>>18813322
They are being offered because the holders think
1. Tupperware will run out of money
2. Tupperware's credit will be so bad before the maturity date that they won't be able to rollover the bond debt.
I need to do some digging.

>>18813276
God I don't even like the Orange man but I can't wait until he BTFOs China

>>18813367
Delusional underage b& newfag r*dditor

>>18813316
Not all that much. Making that kind of software is extremely technically complicated so you need to hire a few experts but any big name company could theoretically do it. They seem to feel it's not where the money is and at the same time, big companies have this tendency to punish overperforming and reward laziness. For example, if a team makes a perfect zoom clone and then improves upon it, they get a bonus and then they get to stay where they are for the rest of time, no promotion or salary rises. They're dead in the workplace. On the other hand if they produce buggy crapware that's just good enough to let retards fall for it but not good enough for anyone to switch to it, they get a raise and a bonus everytime they introduce, and then fix, a single bug.
Smaller companies are a lot more agile in that regard, it's literally the exact opposite in that sense (barring office politics). Hence, zoom gets to produce the zoom software while microsoft has the absolute joke that is nuskype.

>>18813381
Interesting. This reminds me of how quickly at the start up I worked at business goals shifted and the tech for those goals was almost instantly worked on.

Sides if NET goes broke so what? It ain't like I have my whole cash wad invested into it or anything. If it takes a while before it really flies so what? I don't turn 65 for 28 years.. I got plenty of things to keep me busy with while I wait for the fat payday.

>>18813381
Microsoft teams works without any problem.

>>18811410
Dont feel bad, I did much much much worse
>bought TSLA puts at $790
>earnings call pumped it to $860 afterhours
>got freaked out and sold first thing in the morning
This is by far the worst move I have ever made because I listened to my gut instead of my head, and it has definitely made me wiser, but I'm having serious trouble making peace with it.

Never ever ever ever trade with emotion bros, no matter what emotion it is.

>>18813412
>37 years on this Earth and still dumb enough to invest in NET

>>18813363
I agree. I have been scouring these HY corporate bonds for weeks looking for this kind of play.
The HY corporate bond market I think actually reflects the real sentiment about the economy, not the stock market. And its actually quite depressing what names are on some of these. Macy's, JCP, Hertz, RCL, CCL in addition to literally all the small oil and shale guys.
I am mainly looking at this because Tupperware doesn't have huge rent expenses like a retail store chain and (should) be relatively ambivalent about the state of the economy for demand.

>create fake company
>Make it public
>put it on the pink sheets
>Invest 10k of my own money
>Start rumor that Microsoft, google, Amazon, etc. etc. is buying me out
>Wait till stock moves 10X higher
>Sell my stock
>announce the rumour was false, company is going under
>Rinse and repeat every year

Just TRY to find fault in that plan

>>18813426
They use it at my workplace. Guess it does the job alright. (Bit of old trivia: MS had a video conferencing program back in late 90s called Netmeeting. Came bundled with windows. Didn't fly cause bandwidth just wasn't there yet to support it)

>>18813369
Yep. I was looking at some Carnival Cruise bonds that were being sold at 60%, now they are back over 80%.

>>18813313
I know a guy that said their company is moving over 500 of Halliburton's units from Texas to the Halliburton yard in Oklahoma. He thinks something is going down because that's a bulk of their fracking equipment.

>>18813457
Uh correct me if I'm wrong but I think the SEC would have something to say about that. The timing of the trades and news would tip them off if nothing else.

>>18813376
Screen cap it. Iv been here since we were doing barrel rolls. Back to Facebook u go

>>18813412
All of their money is invested into expanding into China. I was bullish but they’re going to get china hustled. I unironically liquidated everything on Tuesday.

>>18813502
>Uh correct me if I'm wrong but I think the SEC would have something to say about that. The timing of the trades and news would tip them off if nothing else.

Doesn't SEC only bother with whales?

>>18813495
We'll I work in equipment liquidations and I'm not seeing anything yet.

>>18812880
it's too late banebo... i've already been financially ruined...

>>18813473
>>18813446
>>18813363
>>18813224
Ah shit yeah Rudyposter turned me on to looking at credit but I’ve been too lazy to actually do it. If we get another panic, there could be some real opportunity.

Thing is, it’s really hard for me to want to put money in a company that I think will fail. I like owning stock because it’s a piece of a company, and I get to profit off of being a part of that story that I usually have faith in long term.

>>18813457
Goodjob, you just described how memecoin works.

>>18811392
I’m financially ruined and indebted to my stock broker.

>>18813527
I just find it strange, that'll give other oilfield megas an edge if the Permian Basin fires back up again.

How do I redeem myself from all of this loss?

>>18813592
Might be a storage thing, might be cheaper or something, idk. All I do know is I don't see any equipment sales coming up in Oklahoma.
They will able to move them back before it fires back up again.

>>18813592
let me add, there are equipment sales coming up in Texas too, so if they were going to sell off a bunch of assets I would think they'd just leave them in Texas

>>18811484
>>18811499
>>18811502
/smg/ is not value-friendly, is it?

>>18813557
Bonds are so much different than stocks. They trade on a percentage of 1,000 which also make them more expensive.

How to profit from all the inventory sitting on retail shelves as they’re forced to declare bankruptcy and can’t even liquidate their assets because no ones shopping?

TJX?
Mothballs?

>>18813313
Thanks oilfieldsalvagebro

>>18813276
>Zoom is literally stolen from Cisco. The Chinese CEO used to work there.
That was my theory as well, posted it here last week. It still is my theory, but I have to give it that he might have actually been good at his job and that’s why they made him 2nd in command at WebX. Cisco is an enormous company with a long history, I’m sure there’s a shitton of red tape and kissing asses and bureaucratic bullshit to get them to do something right.

IF he were a super capable guy and not a Chinese spy, it’s possible he couldn’t get what he wanted to do done at Cisco, and struck out on his own like the other autist ceos that couldn’t take big organizations.

>>18813625
They have their own yard in Odessa, it's pretty large so wasting thousands moving them seems counter productive by all means. I'm guessing they're foreseeing a long drought for oil

>>18813645
Wish there was a /bmg/.

>>18813557
There's always investment grade. Even strong companies issue bonds sometimes.

>>18813674
Bonds are boring and hard, but if you wanna talk about making money, plenty of room here.

>>18813557
I need to do some serious DD here but its partly greed and partly that I think Tupperware is going to have less headwinds than a department retail store (with their rents) or a car rental company.
And to be honest, its nice to be doing DD again. It hasn't fucking mattered for weeks now as the whole market is basically one gigantic TA arena.
I like to invest in companies that I research not because "green line go up predicted by my fibo lines". I am sitting mostly in cash because of that. This is a welcome distraction even if it is as much of a dumpster fire as this sell price lets on.

>>18813642
Smg is not one person and 5 hours after the close on a Friday isn’t the best indication. But yeah there are a lot of total retards you need to filter out as you’re learning but usually you learn what’s bad info if you pay attention long enough. Often, if they specifically talk about politics they’re not even worth reading.

There’s some people who play meme momentum well, and some people who like long term buy and hold.

I know I’ve only been burned on “value” investing, so I’m sticking with companies with a bright future, and ones with solid balance sheets to get through this crisis, and Berkshire.

>>18813657
How many acres is that yard in Odessa though? Might not be enough.
Kruse Energy just did a OK sale recently and they have an upcoming sale in Midland. Haliburton would have just thrown stuff there if they wanted to liquidate.

What are you limp wristed fags having for dinner?

>>18813699
So I hear.

https://youtu.be/xuj5eywWzdI

>>18813653
Don't thank me man. I only give the info I have and I'm speculating just as much as you guys are.
At the end of the day, I don't work for Halliburton and only the guys that do know what they are up to.

>>18813078
Altria currently has a yield of 8.5%.

>>18813426
Haha, good one!

>>18813733
THIS NIGGA EATIN BEANS

>>18813747
Not forever.

>>18813700
Yeah but tupp isn’t necessary for national safety or economy or really anything. People are moving away from plastic, and they have many alternatives in both glass and plastic.

Fuck I should’ve bought REYN.

>>18813747
Damn. But they’re facing a lot of headwinds and their CEO just got corona and retired. Too much uncertainty. And as they say, don’t reach for yield.

>>18813772
>>18813765
I've been smoking like a chimney since corona started. Why would Altria be impacted?

>>18811963
why not?

>>18813772
>>18813772
>>18813785
Also their yield before the crash was like 7%. Cancer is the best investment for passive income.

>>18813733
I have that same plate bro

sell everything and re-enter closer to the bottom or average down?

Is BP going to cut it's divves like Shell did?

>>18813795
>>18813747
Their capital appreciation is shit and divvy is probably gonna be unsustainable.

This month has been a wild ride but I am dipping out now while I still have value

Only buying in again when/S&P500 dips to 2400

>>18813785
Altria will probably be fine in the long run but

> Dividend $3.36
> EPS -$0.49
> Payout Ratio -686%!

They are in risky territory right now as their earnings are negative.

>>18811554
Dividend stocks like jpm and bmo and oil companies and manufacturing industries will bounce back 200%-400% just like the non dividend stocks, but by that stage the dividend yield will be 2% or something, but you bought the stock for a quarter of that, so your actual yield is very decent. Plus you can sell the stock for big profit just like the juniors in biz. Peasant brain fools

>>18813817
Their divvies have been sustained for half a century.

>>18813839
Their chart does not inspire confidence.

>>18813076
I see you are a man of culture.

>>18813807
I would bet yes. The longer this goes on and demand stays low, the more retaining dividends doesn't make sense. It's probably a matter of time even for big boys like BP.

>>18813849
Or you could get into a company whose yield is already good and will 4x too, instead of sticking to one with crap yield to get mediocre returns you would have gotten from another ATH stock.

>>18813861
Nope. Altria is in "gamble" territory right now.

>>18813898
This as well as one with a good history and good potential to grow the dividend itself.

>>18813898
Guess I'm a Boomer planning my retirement. 36yo

>>18813849
I am pretty sure no blue chip stock dived more than 50% of its worth. Like one of the few holds I have is USFD and if there is a "return to normal" they are one of the few firms that is most likely to rebound even from supply chain disruptions. And if it doesn't then it means things are really fucked anyway.
I've already doubled what I put into it. And it might double again very soon. I fully intend to put that money into blue chips or longer holds later.
I think the one exception is oil. I do think there is a good thesis there with some of the big oil companies but I do think the hold there is going to be months if not a year or more. Same with airlines.

>>18811410
I would have made thousands if I didn't sell my Amazons a month ago.

>>18811410
>>18813957
I would have made thousands if I didn't short the bottom. I was thinking about it February since I had insider information about corona-chan, but I was too occupied with finals.

>>18813230
amazon gives a share to all its employees? really? that's pretty nice

>>18813713
Not as big as their Duncan yard but still of considerable size. Definitely enough room to store those units.

>>18811593
Is he threatening to destroy mars if we dont reopen?

>>18813898
what do you recommend?

>>18813944
It makes enough sense right now to get what you can but consider looking into mid cap dividend stocks that have good capital and dividend growth history and potential.

>>18813878
Thanks mate

TSLA is going to do the whole pump-and-dump wash cycle *two* (2) times in a four month period. I'm sorry mumu, but 200 - 300 P/E ratios cannot fly in a recessionary market, I don't care who you are. Forfeit all gains and try again.

>>18811410
can you explain what shorting is for a new invester? ty

>>18813076
lmao

Its the weekend ess ehm gee
What drugs you doing

>>18813674
/biz/ is weighted towards risky investments, especially crypto. There is also more to talk about there, good or bad. The typical timescale for bond plays is years and that isn't really conducive to hour long generals. Same with posters that try to talk about IRAs.

>>18813989
Unironically FANG. I've been eyeballing ALLY and CASY lately but have yet to decide.

>>18813367
Okay, we'll see how well your clairvoyance is on Monday.

>>18813944
If you're rich enough that you are already planning for retirement in the short term (say, 5 years), you should be in cash right now. Wait until corona-chan is completely over and then get into safe dividends, which will be around 5-6%. You should have enough money that 5-6% invest-and-forget should net you enough to live your target lifestyle. If that's not good enough for you, your tactic won't work either. You are too young to retire via age, so you don't have an excuse that you're too poor to afford to retire but you're near retirement age.
If you are not rich enough to retire and you're at your age, you should invest in growth stocks (aggressive, paradoxically safer) or high-yield beaten down dividend stock (less aggressive, not as safe as most dividend stocks will either cut their dividends for a while or will die), assuming you're not into actual trading. If you are into trading, you're in the best time you'll ever get to actively trade and make tons of money this year. Don't worry about the stock except for the implied price movement (e.g. higher chance of being assigned otm on a written option, more stable prices on dividend stocks, dividend-related price movements...)

>>18813733
i'm 100% sure that looks tastier in reality but i would have cooked the meat longer

>>18813283
Elon is the reason Tesla is worth anything you stupid fuck.

>>18814030
We are all poor as fuck, what do you expect? People with no money NEED high risk plays.

>>18813367
I wouldn't be surprised if you were right at this point

>this monday

Return to "normal" becomes fear, capitulation, despair.

>>18813989
Depends on many parameters on your end. What level of risk do you accept? What's your time horizon? Do you want to trade or invest? Are there company types you don't like?

>>18813822
why are you all losing faith now? usa is just starting to open up again and reports are coming in that the virus wasn't as deadly as we thought (still bad but a lot of people were infected without even knowing)

>>18814014
Imagine that by your calculations there is a popular stock that is overpriced and that you are willing to bet on it falling back to what its actual price is. Imagine being able to make money on the difference.

>>18814014
Hello NewFriend,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1LctxzEREE

>>18813733
Shit plating and shit food.

>>18813733
>boiled chicken with bean slurry and fake rice
>TWO pieces btw
Fucking poor, fat, and can't cook. Disgusting

>>18814014
He’s talking about buying put options. Shorting is pretty much selling stocks that your brokerage owns, and making gainz if the stock drops in price by buying it back lower. But if it gains in price, you lose money.

>>18811476
>75% student loan debt liability
>15% part time minimum wagie paycheck
>10% birthday and christmas checks from their trump voting grandma
>all assets and revenue automatically transferred into the Sanders post-campaign account (no refunds).

>>18813763
I don't even know why this is funny but it is

>>18813978
>insider information
i see you also watch the ADV china guys

>>18814091
Yep. Been watching them since 2016. The second the chinks locked down Wuhan I went to SerpentZAs social media, got the scoop, warned everyone I could and bought a respirator mask.

>>18814081
You don't have to buy an option, you can just short to sell and the buy back to cover.

anyone wanna talk about the XOM earnings?

>>18811450
Futures are a cocktease. I thought we'd reach new lows.

>>18814030
Figures.

> IRAs
Is it just me or are taxable accounts better than IRAs over the long term through long term capital gains if you live in the right states?

>>18813642
>/smg/ is not value-friendly, is it?
There are about as many opinions on that here as there are people posting. This is a great time to start slowing averaging your way in to good companies hit overly hard by the March crash, assuming you want to be that kind of investor. Just don't be too contrarian about it. The stock market is not a good place to be regularly betting on the underdog.

>>18814105
Yeah but if he was talking about short selling he would have had to short like $25k worth in order to make “thousands”. So I figured he was talking about options

>>18814027
dude weed and a few wild turkeys

>>18814089
It's a classic. Also used for deenz and anything that rhymes.

How do i play the GILD pump. Sell as soon as premarket opens on Monday?

>>18811410
>Could’ve made basically infinite money if I bought calls on Amazon the day before earnings
Papertrading hurts my soul man why couldn’t I be born rich

>>18814101
kek i knew it. they've redpilled me on what a truly horrible country china is. doesn't even recycle anything but still puts out recycle bins that everybody just treats as a general garbage bin and that gets emptied into the same container. and that's just a minor example of what's fucked up over there.

>>18814076
Cope

>>18814108
They should be bad, probably? Second question is whether it will matter to the share price if they are bad. I don't know. I understand the factors behind moves of the benchmark price of various types of oil but oil/gas companies are a different kinda beast.

>>18814027
Dude weed lmao. Might try to make some edibles.

>>18814180
it's mushroom season here in the PNW and all the liberals are stuck inside. I am planning on getting at least a years worth of magic this weekend

>>18813224
>>18813322
>Rating: Caa2
yikes

>>18814148
Someone was eating baked beans in a theater?
I can see why that nigga eatin beans was so funny.

>>18814027
i stopped smoking cigarettes and weed because of coronachan. i have been smoking both regularly for 13 years.

>>18814069
I would like to invest very long term, but i also see that there is opportunity in this current situation to make much more than a 3% annual or something safe.

>>18814163
Yeah. They are the reason I tried to learn mandarin and are now the reason why I want that entire country carped bombed.

>>18814204
bit late?

>>18814177
they came out today anon

>>18814204
Really? I never smoked as much weed alone as I did during the lockdown. My tolerance is astronomical at this point.

>>18814218
it was already on my to-do list for a while. just needed that final bit of motivation.

>>18814116
This poster also has the other half of why that is >>18814052
>Is it just me or are taxable accounts better than IRAs over the long term through long term capital gains if you live in the right states?
I had a Roth IRA when I was a student and working part time. I think taxable accounts are just generally better if you make more money. But that also depends on the clusterfuck that can be state tax laws. It's also probably more what /smg/ would be interested in since its a lot more active management.

So the US Treasury bonds are safe but literally zero income?

>>18814221
shieet

>>18814241
The yield is below zero when adjusting for inflation.

>>18814108
And it didn't sink all that much in AH

>>18814252
>>18814221

Did I fuck up by selling my 23 strike puts?

>>18813733
Chicken looks a little undercooked and the whole thing probably needed a bigger plate. I'm feeling a decent to strong 6 on this one. Tran-

-sition. Have you given this dish a taste? Did you love it? Did you hate it? What would you rate it? You're the best, you're the best, what should I eat next? Hit the "like" if you'd like, please subscribe and please don't cry. Hit the bell as well. Over here next to my head is another video that you can check out; hit that up or the link to subscribe to the channel.
Anonthany Chantano, Anon, Chicken and Rice... forever!

>>18814204
>i stopped smoking cigarettes and weed because of coronachan
Boy did you pick a bad time to do that.

https://twitter.com/__ice9/status/1244120142650499072

>>18814241
Yep. I don't mind since I'm 80% stocks otherwise.

>>18814255
Does Trump plan on fixing that? I mean I'd BASICALLY be investing in AMERICA and not LEECHING off of UNEMPLOYMENT

>>18814274
Finally my vaping addiction pays off.

AMD trying to compete with Intel is like any Chinese electric car company trying to compete with Tesla. It's just not in the same league. Sure, it may win over certain customers with aggressive marketing, but how long can that growth last?

AMD stock is worth $8 and not one penny more. This isn't a company that will consistently grow year over year. It's one that will explode due to novelty at first, and then pitter out as it becomes harder and harder to acquire additional market share. They're playing checkers, Intel's playing chess.

>>18814289
Why would the gov issue junk bonds? That would be a massive red flag. Still, I'd buy treasury bonds with a 10% yield if they existed.

>>18814289
Trump can't fix it. Only the Fed could by raising rates. But they haven't raised rates above 5% since 2006

>>18814255
So I'm a brainlet. That's expected inflation I assume...? How can these bonds do better than keeping the money in a bank and earning some tiny interest? Provided the bank doesn't go bankrupt.

>>18814116
>Is it just me or are taxable accounts better than IRAs over the long term through long term capital gains if you live in the right states?
This fucking BETTER be bait.

>>18814238
second best time to plant a tree is today, good for you.

>>18814239
what the fuck are you talking about.

Are you talking about 401Ks?

I actively manage my Roth IRA all the time, I made several trades in it this week. It's just one of several accounts I have with Schwab.

>>18814232
im still going to the office 40 hours a week. i have been a habitual alone-smoker for a good 6 years. years ago i spent the majority of my non-working hours stoned. i always enjoyed playing vidya and fapping while high. but after so long it becomes more of a habit than something i enjoyed. i think i had smoking marijuana heavily as a way to cope after i quit using heroin, which was about 8 years ago. quitting nicotine was way easier than i thought it was gonna be too.

>>18814274
I've read that too, after the fact. still not going to pick it up again. it's a nothingburger anyways, I've probably already had an asymptomatic infection. i eat too much raw garlic for any coronavirus to survive in my body.

>>18814206
Buy quality stable stock at a discount. Shit like banks (but not quite yet because it's not clear they'll be fine with all the mortgages), utilities (they also tend to have great yields), REITs (likewise), and royalty funds for large food chains. With another part of your budget, go with solid growth stocks like msft, amzn, etc. However they're currently overpriced so wait for the correction assuming it goes down far enough. Invest the growth stocks back into the divvy stocks as you age. 20/80 is good if you're very young, but by 10 years to retirement it should be about 80/20 or 90/10.
Alternatively, take a bunch of ETFs you like (can be SPY), check their holdings by %, and invest equally in the top 10 holdings. Rebalance yearly.

>>18814315
Nobody is buying these bonds. The yield is in the toilet because people fled into them before the crash, driving up the price and crashing the yield. People who bought before still got a good deal.

>>18814298
AMD used to be the leader in the CPU space, zoom zoom. Intel has been it for only a bit more than 10 years.

>>18814332
Ah I see, it's that the market price for the bonds has risen making them less profitable. My brainlet brain was thinking they had no yield from the start.

>>18814349
You are half right. Europoor bonds had negative yield when adjusting for inflation for a long time and yet people still buy them. No idea why tho.

>>18814193
oh hey! I don't think there's mushies in the pacific not-northwest... It's been pretty warm and there wasn't much rain this week. I should've gone last week!

Got any pointers for when and where and how? Are there good lists of places to go? It would be real nice if I didn't have to order any spores and could try to run my own tec.

Do I all-in FANG?

>>18814365
Central banks buy them, as well as pension funds and insurance companies doing liability matching.

>>18814313
>they haven't raised rates above 5% since 2006
I suddenly realized that we were doomed since long time ago, it was just a time bomb which would have exploded eventually even without the virus. How the fuck didn't anybody notice that or said anything. Everyone was just enjoying life accruing huge debt and living paycheck to paycheck. This is insane but I never thought about that.

>>18811538
Imagine sending $ to a Jew because he claimed he would cancel your student loan debt

>>18813734
>>18813557
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuj5eywWzdI
Rudy is based as fuck

>>18814396
y tho

>When you write ITM options to get rid of the stock and your stocks are still there at the end of the week
Huh.
I just dont understand why people/algos wait for options to basically expire before they exercise. Even when the stock is obviously dipping and profits are dropping.
I never got assigned before market close. Never.

>>18811863
I bought 5/8 Tesla $600 put yesterday for .98. Today it went to ducking $18, I sold at $7. Feel like an asshole. I got scared that the Tesla bulls would wipe out my gains ($100-$700), when I could have made $100 into $1800!!!

>>18814404
Do you need to have a special power level comparable to the janny or even higher to be able to write options?

>>18814398
I knew we were boned once I realized that interest rates were near zero even after 10 years after the great recession. European interest rates are fucking negative, man. And people wonder why I gamble with Bitcoin and options. Btich what do you want me to do, use a savings account? Fucking really?

Natural gas bros how are your picks doing?
OKE holder here and don't know whether to lock in my gains on monday if oil crashes again.

>>18811978
I got 324 SQQQ ;)

>>18813283
It started dropping the day before idiot . Elon’s tweet hardly did anything.

>>18814365
Its not people. Its banks. And they buy for several reasons. Some of them regulatory, some financial and some political.
>>18814418
You just need a broker and click "Of course I have 20 years of experience option trading and know the risks of money an blow an shit" when asked. What broker do you use?

LMAO AT BULLS
NICE RECOVERY
AHAHAHAHAHA

>>18814448
>Some of them regulatory, some financial and some political.
I see, but what kind of reg- ASUKA BEST GIRL

>>18814460
No that would be misato. Also fuck EOE and fuck the rebuilds. The original ending is kino as fuck.

>>18814322
> Better be bait
Federal Long Term Capital Gains plus State Capital Gains (if your state even has any) - not regular income, no Social Security, no Medicare and you get a standard deduction plus you can use tax writeoffs. Explain how your IRA or 401k is better please.

>>18814467
Nah, fuck the rebuilds but fuck the original ending too.

>>18814401
He's the single best bond salesman on the internet.

>>18814404
Because that's the default mode of operation of the options authority: they auto-liquidate if it's ITM but not before. Some people properly check their theta, others don't. The primary purpose of options is hedging, and for this you really do only want to exercise automatically: either it's worthless and you didn't lose the value of the stock and then some, or it's not worthless and you got the stock at a superior price, you weren't trying to profit so much as preventing risk on a fixed timespan. Dips also don't necessarily mean anything, so panic exercising WILL also fuck you up. Finally, some exchanges have steep exercise costs (like $25+).

>>18814487
The original ending is fucking perfect, what are you talking about?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf1DkBQRQj4

>>18814448
etrade. i remember clicking that button with the optionshouse but that was just to allow me to even buy options.

What pattern is this?

>>18814398
Welcome to the world that many of us have been dreading for some time. The bubble was bound to burst, and we kept kicking the can down the road, enjoying it while we could. If it doesn't finish popping this time, who knows what the next crisis might be like. By rights, it should be quite painful now. -37% should be a contraction in comparison.

>>18814487
>>18814505
Both the original ending and EoE are great for different reasons.

>>18814525
EOE makes even less sense.

>>18814505
Am I being baited? You best not be baiting me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Bix44C1EzY

>>18814018
>t.Achmed

>>18814541
You probably watched it when you were too young to get the original ending. The plot makes no sense, but the themes are being addressed and resolved in a really beautiful way. I saw it for the first time when I was 24 and absolutely loved it.

>>18814460
>but what kind of reg-
It has to do with lending money between banks and storing money as a bank. Also trading securities for other securities.
For a bank a 0% Bund is a way to pretend to invest money, while actually just storing it in a safe place.
>ASUKA BEST GIRL
Never watched it actually.
>>18814510
They should allow it.
Even a 100$ cash account should be able to write covered calls and cash covered puts since no margin is involved.

That said, writing options can make you responsible to infinite losses. So know what you are doing.

>>18814541
>CONGRATULATIONS
lel

>>18814527
In what way? I've always treated EoE as the events that unfolded prior to, during, and after instrumentality, a complete picture, if you will. On the other hand, the TV ending presents solely the instrumentality reasoning process that Anno, I mean Shinji, went through to solve his personal issues. They always seemed complementary.

>>18814589
The plot of Eva is batshit insane anyways with more holes than I can count. What's going on in Shinji's head is a lot more interesting and thematically relevant than what literally happens.

New thread

>>18814620
>>18814620
>>18814620

>>18814587
>covered calls
ah. i thought you were talking about writing naked calls

18814368
I don't give magic advice to pedophiles.neck yourself

>>18811444
It’s an ego thing. People want to be BIG WINNERS and make the BIG PLAYS by speculating on growth stocks. Reality is that there is no real empirical correlation with a company paying a dividend and it’s growth potential. Even if there was, it gets made up in the compounding effect of DRIP which equity fags always conveniently ignore.

>b-but it’s no different than selling a share for income

Bullshit, you just discharged the underlying asset by doing that. Guess what? Can’t sell covered calls on stock you don’t own. More saliently, I can take the same retarded logic that growth tards use and say that if you are speculating on growth there is no point in buying shares at all, you should be buying calls instead.

>>18814667
oh I thought you were the anon who originally posted that pic
oops~

hey, anon, I drew a picture of a person and put it up on a dartboard and threw darts at it. Do you think that makes me a torturer?