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if you buy silver it's because you're too poor to buy gold

Highly recommended podcast: https://youtu.be/-TdplfYsyP4

Debunks all these myths:
>muh JPM shorting the market!
>muh GLD not fully backed by real gold!
>muh PHYS is a better ETF!
And more

>>18766231
Gold outperforms Dow Jones and S&P 500 over the past 50 years (1971-2020)

Why are investlets still toying with stocks and bonds?

You want to know anything about your local mineral wealth and how to access it, ask it here, I will be making each answer as short and sweet as possible.

Your basic tools
>shovel / pick, spoons, gold pan and sniffer bottle.

Handy links
https://thediggings.com/
https://howtofindgoldnuggets.com/

>>18766466
>first 4 years the price of gold was artificially fixed by governments
are gold bugs actually this retarded?

hi frens

>>18766715

My pick up this week.
#wwg1wga

>>18766556
what do you use the spoons for? i just bought a pan and sniffer bottle on amazon. gonna try my luck in Utah

>>18766313
Bought my first gold with Trump bucks. Only a 1/4 oz eagle but it's a start

>>18766313
True. Better than being a fiat cuck with nothing tho.

>>18766933
That's really nice.

>>18766940
they fit well into cracks in bedrock, there a personal choice for digging in hard to get at areas but garden tools work just as well.

>>18766231
how long do you guys think we have until the whole house of cards falls apart ?
weeks, months, years?

>>18767435
God knows, the longer it goes on the worse it’s going to get. Many people have already stopped paying bills, many more to come.

>>18767435
the more things destabilize from the normal, the more people freak out and the worse things get.

Got my first ASE today boys. Came to /biz/ for crypto but this general is the best one here.

Hoping for a sweet spot of premiums dropping faster than spot rising so I can build a nice starter stack.

>>18766361
Is she ok

>>18768166
desu im personally sticking with bullion cuz crypto just looks like one big pump and dump to me

I have $10,000 AUD

Do i buy the following
10 x 1KG Silver Bars
2oz Gold and 4KG Silver

>>18768201
I would maybe spend 2-3k on gold and silver and the rest on crypto. Gold and silver are just going to sit for a while, you can actively make money with crypto and its about to blow up like crazy

>>18768190
IMHO crypto has more upside short term, planning on selling almost all my crypto when Bitcoin breaks $100k and putting a good chunk into PM's.

I just stick to legit store of value cryptos (minable) and avoid all the smart contract bullshit.

I'd like to invest in real estate but I'm afraid that USA is going commie which makes real estate a bad long term investment.

>>18766231
How to justify the high premiums I'm paying right now to my boomer dad? He made some good points about the premiums and also the difficulty of selling at a profit if dealers/buyers will give you spot price but you paid $5-10 or more on top of spot just to get the physical in your hands. Premiums on even junk silver are fucked right now.

>>18768263
Are you spending your dad's money?

>>18768296
No but I told him about buying silver and he said it's fine as a hobby but I probably wouldn't ever make back what I paid to get into it.

>>18768296
99% chance he lives with his dad and doesn't pay rent, so probably

>>18768313
IMHO PM's aren't for getting rich quick, they are for hedging against inflation and protecting wealth.

They are also fun to look at and go *PING*

You can also fantasize about countries adopting gold or silver backed digital currencies which would make them fucking moon, but it's unlikely.

>>18768201
Get some gold. You have to remember the central banks are stacking gold. They care not for silver.

>>18768358
Yeah I said I was buying for long term price increases and accumulating some actual assets. Might be better just to stack a couple hundred dollar bills every month though, even factoring in inflation. If dollar inflation gets as bad as fast as the people on this board say it will get then I doubt my roll of mercury dimes will save me from the shit we are in at that point.

>>18766933

I cancelled my order w/ gainesville coins for some 10oz Mason Mint bars because no one could verify Mason Mint and some people reported issues w/ gainesville coins

these look like the best 10oz bars priced on the market right now:
https://www.gainesvillecoins.com/10-oz-mason-mint-silver-bar-999-fine/dd/1860

Mason Mint website: http://www.masonmint.com/about

could not find an address on the website for Mason Mint... did not feel legit enough to me, but I could just be being paranoid. Does anyone have experience with Mason Mint? Should I re-order or just pay the extra for Sunshine Mint or somehing else of Apmex / JM Bullion / Scottsdale?

>>18768263
Your dad is right. I wouldn't spend more than a few hundred bucks on silver coins. Maybe a bit more on paper silver but you can't now if it's going to beat the market. Could very well crab sub 20$ in the next ten years, who knows. I don't think it will fall more though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHMvsOIucbc

>>18768460
Just get sunshine or Silvertowne from JM. Are you a military vet? JM gives great discounts to vets

>>18766556
Hey Pan Man! Just wanted to say thanks for getting me started on a new hobby. I ordered some pans/sifters/snufters from Amazon, and watched some of Ask Jeff Williams' videos per your advice. Looking forward to having some fun panning around the Nevada/Arizona area. Not expecting to make it rich, but hoping to maybe find something tiny to brag about. Glad you're willing to share your knowledge with the rest of us!

>>18768742
I live to educate mate! hope you get on that SHINY!!

>>18768629
>Are you a military vet?
Negative just a civvy

Im asking because i'm wondering if there is any credence to "silver is silver" or if brand names will really come into play when reselling in the future?

How does my purchase look?

I was originally getting 11KG of Silver and 20oz of coins Silver

62.5 lbs of silver

>>18768807
if you dont want them you could always send them to me

>>18768779
if you sell to a dealer then brand absolutely doesn't matter. You'll get slightly less than spot.

selling to another stacker the brand might matter if they trust one over the others

Incoming update to the Terry Davis Temple: Chinese Panda Internment Camp addition

>>18768779
Just grab some sunshine and don't overthink it man. Only mints carry premiums...and sometimes older vintage bars, and the premium for those bars you'd probably need to sell privately.

>>18768241
Undeveloped land in my state are a steal right now. If I had extra cash, I would buy one lot just to fuck off

>>18766556
Hey pan man thanks for all the info. Sorry if someone has already asked something similar but where would be a good area to go to in Ontario. Probably a place to casually scout around with a group of friends where we could potentially camp and such.

>>18768853
>Undeveloped land in my state are a steal right now

what state?

anyone know if land in west virginia has gotten really cheap? want to buy a plot and build a cabin

Oooooh I got that goooold fever!

>>18766231
where can i buy one?

>>18768864
Ontario, which area of Ontario? I only ask this because ontario has a disgusting amount of gold and silver hard rock mines. Some of the richest mines in Canada are located there. If you want to look for solid native silver ore go research the town of Cobalt and its mineral district.

I would suggest doing some panning but calling around with some geo mates over there working for the Red Lake Mine say theres basically 0 placer, so best to look for ore instead.

>>18766556
where are the gold quartz mines in Georgia

>>18766556
Noice

>>18768241
hold an asset until it is overvalued, then buy another that is undervalued with your profits and repeat and you will be rich

>>18768440
> no formerly to do housewives
ngmi

>>18768886
It really is the most amazing feeling....

seeing that shine in your pan or a big blob of native metal just stuck in the vein.... it makes your heart skip a beat...

My second order just came in anons. Feels good as fuck.

Going to break and wait for a deflation to occur as markets (and manipulation) comes back into force OR hyperinflation hits up and I have no choice.

>>18768917
Well I'm an hour or so north of the GTA. I wanted to plan a few trips to a few spots over the summer. I've lived in Thunder Bay and Parry Sound. Willing to travel about anywhere in province.

>>18768263
it's not a get which quick scheme, it's a stay relatively safe financially long term scheme.

also selling to individuals is better than selling to dealers. Reddit is ok foe selling coins but I swear to god if you sell fake chinese shit on there or fuck me over I will shit in your pillowcase

>>18769010
I'm just happy to see more precious metal threads on /biz/. About time we had something beautiful on here instead of crummy digital coins all the time.

>>18766556
How much is here? How many Oz in total?
Looks awesome

>>18766933
Q is gay

>>18768924
the Franklin-Creighton Mine, Yellow Creek Road in the town of Ball Ground in Cherokee County.

this was a hard rock mine following gold quartz veins, they shut down due to a shaft cave in.

This wiki article has a pretty good description https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Gold_Belt

>>18769035
Theres the Hemlo gold belt in the northwest section of Ontario.

Your closest bet would be the Sudbury gold belt and its general area, by the sounds of it there were even a few major placer strikes in the area on most of the major creeks. Start your search there!

>>18769063
ah... I can check with the news article, but that find at the Beta Hunt mine produced a few hundred pounds of free mill gold and they are still selling samples of the major boulder fragments they collected. They also found a second vein as well recently but they havent said how much came out of it yet.

by the way, it was found by accident, they were looking for nickel not gold.

Fiat Fags and Cryptocucks are most definitely fucked this time 'round.
Mercury dime blow jobs are a passtime.
What can we get with a whole god damn roll of silver?

>>18769198
Thanks for that mate. We have gold out west of where I live apparently (a few hundred km away).
There's a mine there, not certain how much it produces.
I wonder if it's worth looking in the surrounding hills with a detector?

>>18769023
that's a nice comfy lookin stack anon

>>18769273
depends what the ore there mining is like, if its gold quartz than you might get lucky with a detector, if its pyrite replacement or other sulphide hosted than a detector might not work very well. When ever I enter a new mineral bent, I ll look at modern topo maps against old mining records, and I ll pan any stream I come across while driving, its kind of crazy how much gold i ve gotten that way, especially panning old culverts.

>>18768812
15 lbs stacklet here

>>18768909
Ebin cringe

>>18769044
Two years ago if I tried to talk about gold or silver I got shouted down and the tread would die after less than two dozen replies.

i've been diversifying my stack with sugar, salt, spices, flour, rice, pasta, canned food, safety matches, knives, duct tape, ham radios etc.
how about you guys

>>18768460
i wouldn't trust anything with "mason" or "masonic" in the name.

>>18768263
selling to dealers/LCS is a bad idea as they will buy at a few dollars under spot. have to deal p2p, and even avoid ebay due to the seller fees (10% + 3% paypal fee plus cost of shipping).

>>18768886
there's GOOOOOLLDDD in them hills!

*pumps 10% for absolutely no reason*

>>18769481
check their exploration info on their website, one of their vassal junior companies probably had good drill results.

>>18769348
Thanks. I am not certain how the mining operation works out west, but I will see what I can find out. I had no idea that different types of mining were involved like this.

>>18769508
i don't see any news updates:
http://ir.hecla-mining.com/News

>>18769348
are you able to just pan any stream as long as it's public land?

>buy 1000 oz silver
>end of ze world happens
>price goes even lower
Fuck silver

>>18769386
yeah i actually got demoralized from all the anti-gold sentiment here on /biz/ 2-3 years ago and ended up selling all my 2.5 gram and 5 gram pieces. not a huge loss but i almost had a full oz. and just got so mad about the "opportunity cost" of not being all in on crypto. still hurts to think about it.

>>18766313
Then why is JP morgan buying silver?

>>18769044
Is that a fucking pepe gold egg?

>>18768183
In case you're serious, that is not a real woman; it's a foam dummy created by a film's special effects department.

>>18769595
show me where you can get silver at lower prices than what they were in january

>>18766361
jamie gillis?

>tfw 50 ounce stacklet of silver.

>>18769579
depends on your country but for the most part yes, however I would double check your local state laws on that, also its always best to check if its claimed to make sure your not jumping someones territory.

i want a gold pepe and a silver wojak

>>18769701
Looked like Sigourney Weaver

>>18769754
And a bronze butt plug, no doubt

How ozt of silver until I'm officially out of stacklet phase?

>>18766361
I am guessing now I look at this more that this is a fake body used to mimic Sigourney Weaver in probably the second ALIEN movie

>>18769618
Should've known better than to trust a bunch of retards shilling fake digimon money with no real standard of worth. Wouldn't surprise me if half or more of the shills were part of different crypto teams or just desperate to see their worthless coins increase in value by any means necessary.

>>18769710

Not gonna make it.

>>18768812

Troy or Standard pounds?

>>18769169
Thanks, should be a good time. I've started making notes of all your tips

>>18769717
Hey PAN MAN, any advice for me in arizona? looks like there are a ton of claims taken up around phoenix. seems like up north around flag/prescott would be fun but im not sure how national forrest regulation works in regard to panning.

When did silver dollars stop being worth $1?

>>18770333
from my understanding, your only allowed a shovel and pan in a national forest, but i could be wrong, do some digging on those regulations.

You wont find much for panning as waters not always easy to locate, but here are a few areas for you to try

>San Francisco River has good visible gold flakes and nuggets often found in oxidized gravel beds 50-60 ft above the current run of the river.
>Santa Maria River, the Mammoth or Hubbard hard rock mines are nearby and their ores likely feed placers in this river. Any number of unnamed gulches or river gravel banks could contain good gold.

I would suggest using metal detectors and similar tools in the dry washes of these rivers or steams, some major nuggets have been discovered that way on the San Fransisco river for example.

Stacking cash right now, how much emergency cash should I have saved before I start buying more PMs? Currently aiming at saving another 1k but I'm not working right now

>>18770607
You don't need emergency cash lol.

>>18770607
Conventional wisdom is 6 months of living expenses, but depends a lot on your job, rent, family, etc...

>>18770666
Shoo shoo satan

>>18770521
nice thanks a ton. ive watched a couple of jeffwilliam's videos and the budget detector he used looked pretty legit. i think there was one other youtube channel you recommended but i forgot what it is.

>>18770724
pioneer Pauly is a very good channel as well, as he shows his sniping process, hes constantly getting good gold too.

>>18766313
>22 oz of gold
>220 oz of silver
the moment the lockdown end, I'm buying 300 more of silver

>>18767615
Americans are pussies.

Anyone ever order through apmex? My most recent order is going through ups instead of usps. This order is over 1lb in weight if that makes a difference.

>his landlord wont accept silver or gold as rental payment

>>18771145
Should not be selling PMs for rent. PMs are for the dark days to come

>>18766231
Does it annoy anyone else to see retards buy silver for extremely over-inflated prices? the more retards that buy 5 ozt for 150+ are actively making things worse for the rest of us because that will be considered the "normal" price going forward if enough people buy-in there.
Are the "25+ per ozt" days finally upon us?

>>18766231
Holding 1000 shares of SLV through my ROTH. When should I sell?

>>18771052
I've ordered quite a bit of PMs from APMEX over the years and I seem to recall that they use all of the major couriers: USPS, UPS, and FedEx. You don't have to worry. They will ship using a method where you can track the shipment and it will require signature release. They know that if you haven't signed for it, they or the courier are on the hook.

>>18771279
Premiums will fall as supply and demand match up. Of course, it's entirely possible that the spot price of silver could be higher, thus eliminating any benefit from a reduced premium, or lower. If you don't require physical possession of silver, you can buy PSLV, CEF, or some of the companies that hold vaulted silver for you (BullionVault).

>>18771052
I pretty much only us Apmex at this point and have never had any problems with them. However be careful with both the usps and ups, if your package is being sent signature required be prepared for the delivery guy just to throw the package on your front steps even if you aren't there to sign for it. I have had several multi thousand dollar precious metal shipments that I was supposed to have to sign for just left on the porch by the delivery guy if i wasn't there to sign. This isn't Apmex's fault of course, the usps and ups just dont care about you or doing their job is all. Be ready for the possibility of having to get to your stuff before the porch pirates do if your delivery guy is lazy.

In my experience Apmex is good though.

>>18771387
This. Especially with the virus shit going on, delivery people don't want to interact with people to get a signature. I've had two shipments from JM in the last few weeks each worth a few thousand dollars left in my mailbox.

>>18771052
I bought my moms a Proof ASE from my birth year for mothers day. Should be here Friday. Apmex. I usually go through JM

>>18768940
I'm not much for musicals, but I love that song

>>18771352
>>18771387
I was more curious as to why they went through ups instead of usps. I normally have no issues without having to sign, but I've never really done more than a few hundred usd at a given time until recently, and with those I keep an eye on tracking. I am more or less irritated that this order won't arrive until next week whereas usps, this would arrive by saturday even with things the way they are.

>>18769864
Ehhh prob 100 oz. Even with that amount its almost nothing in terms of dollars compared all the other useless shit people buy.

>>18771577
I never cared which courier they use but I guess you could always call them with your order and specify which courier you want them to use. For large order, I'd be shocked if they wouldn't comply with your request.

>>18769717
Hey pan man, whats the best way for a beginner to concentrate/collect fine flour gold from a river?

first silver buy earlier this week
today I cashed out 95% of my crypto
I feel like a free man for the first time in over 2 years. I was in debt then. And I was down to my last $600 in crypto after gambling $6000 on shitcoins thinking I was a daytrader, just trading candles and getting fucked by overall market swings that I had no understanding in. I parked it in chainlink and I ended up in profit. Now I've been trading options while following gregory mannarino and for the first time ever I can actually understand why the market moves the way it moves. And I also understand that I'm not a daytrader and I never will be. I'm making money, but I'm most excited about the silver that's coming in the mail, and the fact that I can leave my miserable job anytime I want. But I'm hanging in there for a few months, just because I'm a greedy fuck and it feels good to be making money while a lot of people don't know what's going to happen next for them. I have an 1851 colt revolver that I'm going to restore

>>18771816
take your time panning, slow and steady wins the race on that, fine gold will wash out of your pan if your too vigorous. you can also use sluice boxes with a slow, shallow flow, this will work for fine gold.

Mum found a box full to the brim with silver and some gold francs and just asked me if I wanted it.
Must be a couple kilos at least for the whole box.

>>18772377
thank you sir

>>18771279
But the bright side is that high premiums are good news for those who already own silver. If the average “retard” is willing to pay $25-$30 or even $40 an ounce for physical silver, that means you can sell your silver for the same. That’s the actual price and hence value of it.

>>18772552
>Must be a couple kilos

Congratulations you’re rich. Just 2 kilos of even silver coins is at least worth $1,400 especially taking into account the likely premiums on old silver coins, let alone gold.

>>18772845
Can’t be much more than two kinos total
Just need to assess the quality and if any have collector value to sell for premium

>>18772299
>I've been trading options while following gregory mannarino and for the first time ever I can actually understand why the market moves the way it moves.
wew lad
you sound like me but 5 years ago
I regret not keeping exposure to crypto, if I could do it all over again? I would put small amounts of money in alts that haven't had their cycle yet like CKB and NYZO
I missed out on so much gains desu

>>18769216
ASS
2
ASS

>>18768166
>>18768263
>>18768846

You can now order sovereign minted 1oz coins with normal premium. No need to pay Ebay or dealer premiums anymore, just order direct from mint.

Pic related (Price is in AUD so need to convert)

Today is the first day it is available for anyone to order. So premiums are going to plummet soon, if you own any roos then sell them now while people are still paying 2x or more. And order brand new ones.

>>18771296
>not having physical

Picked this up recently to add to my collection. Pretty nice.

>>18772377
Mighty Pan Man, I have questions about 2 different areas. Do you know of any gold deposits in the eastern KY/TN region? And is there any gold left in Colorado that isn't in the highlands?

>>18773237
My stack excluding circulated sterling and junk coins, apart from the Mexican ones in this collection which live with these coins just because I like them for some reason. They're nice.

>>18773279
NOOOOO you can't buy physical assets you have to buy BITCOINS like the rest of us MODERN youngsters!!!!

>>18773267
First off there is a lot of gold left in Colorado's rivers and creeks. Heres a simple list of them that should help. https://raregoldnuggets.com/?p=5077

I know there are placers in Kentucky and Tennessee, but i am about to go to bed and my internet keeps cutting out, if the threads still here in the morning I ll answer further than.

>>18773294
What if I hold both?
>Also memecoins

>>18773412
Łódź getto coins. Nice. Some are worth fortune.

>all these silver only stacks
Yike!
you know you could just buy gold right?
Doesn’t matter if its a bunch of 1/10 coins gold is gold

>>18768812
BASED

>>18770995
lol, have you seen the eu lately?

Get your TRY of TRIAS now
Are you considering giving your software a good and reliable management? Here is the chance, TRIAS helps you with all the managerial duties like verification, analysis even to the extent of correcting even it's weakness...
So you can't avoid not having $TRY in your wallet.

>>18773599
I wanna see some big boy gold stacks, i think there is a guy on here with like a few hundred grand of gold that ive seen

>>18769044
So this is what a real behelit looks like

>>18773527
>Some are worth fortune.
most on the market are fakes

I already have some gold eagles and bullion. I want to buy a real nugget, something unprocessed, is it possible and is it worth it?

>>18774031
Yes there are lots on ebay in Australia don't know about other places but if your country has gold deposits it should be easy to buy.

Heres my stash.
approximately 3.5oz of gold and 204oz of silver

>>18772299
>Doesn't know shit about trading yet has inflated self opinion and delusions that leads to financial trouble.
>Thinks hes going to "restore" an antique.
Please tell me youve restored several antique firearms in the past.
I fully expect you to just pull out steel wool and just rub away until the rust is gone.
Kys
Post body

>>18769044
jesus
that's really super
how'd a nitwit like you get so tasteful?

>>18766556
Gold value is blown up like Diamonds. Truth or false?

>>18774703
False. If you buy a diamond and then immediately try to sell it, you'll be lucky to get even 50% of your purchase price unless you're going through the wholesale market. You will not have that problem with gold. The difference between your buy and sell price, assuming no movement on the gold price itself in the futures markets, will be approximately 6% in normal times. There is no way you will lose 50% or more if you buy and then immediately sell gold.

One final thing: gold is has a lot of properties of money while diamonds do not. Durability, divisibility, rarity, and fungibility are properties of gold but not any gemstone.

>>18769621
to dump on you
>>18766933
>.75
the absolute state of ozlets
>>18773229
How long is the buying window open each day?

>>18769678
that sounds quite serious, I hope she recovers

>>18766361
>>muh GLD not fully backed by real gold!
gimme a quick rundown on this one

>>18774787
Thank you for answer. I do not value Diamonds at all, not more then piece of plastic or glass.
Gold value is price of speculation. Like art has speculation price you can sell to anon buyer for gazillions, when you need legalize your money.

I asking you not about speculative price by social gossip . Like a ring with a diamond do not cost two month salary real value $1 or less.

So same way gold cost nothing to produce.
Price is artificially blown up. I can look on internet Gold price and that is not what I am talking about. 6% ? jews

>>18774843
I got a good price on it in today’s market. It was less than 75% of a a AGE or Buffalo.

should go for my second batboi or 5 oz ASE?

>>18768812
101,1 pounds

>>18775005
Technically just speculation but the fact that gold is a finite resource which does cost money to dig up and refine means it's probably the safest store of wealth we have or will see, it has certainly stood the test of time.
The only things worth more are shelter, food and skills

>>18775534
Well done, average price?

I want to buy 13 kilos of silver but nowhere is selling kilo bars.
Anyone in Melbourne Aus want to sell some silver or know where I can buy kilo bars for $850 ea?

>>18775534

>100lbs is only worth about 32000

just get gold dude, takes up less space

>>18775872
I really hate coins that have one side just plain words. It’s so unimaginative

>>18775960
Countries with no culture
Looks like an arcade token

whats the best cheap 1oz silver coin? royal canadian mint? isnt the maple the 2nd most accepted behind teh american eagle?

>>18775960
>kuparia

>>18776304

>buy small 5g gold bar from eBay seller two months ago
>nice
>this morning get a delivery from same seller. 1/2 oz gold bar.
>sent to me by mistake at the address slip was double sided. Real buyers details on the back
>Sent snail mail non recorded, non tracked and non insured
>Best morning ever.
>He's going to be kicking himself for this

>>18775960
>20 markkaa = 3 euros at the time of conversion
>almost 6 grams of gold is right now 300 euros
Time sure flies

>>18774441
Oh, no. I absolutely suck at trading. I'd have capitulated long ago if I hadn't found coattails to ride on.
I've never restored anything and I'm fat

>>18775922
I'd have a look on the australian stackers forum, only place i'd think of you might have luck. Most dealers are saying mid may delivery though if you want to wait

>>18776379
Not sure if the guilt would overcome me and force me to send it back desu

>>18773229
what website?

>>18776450
I fully intended to do the right thing at first....then I made the mistake of adding it to my spreadsheet to see what a free half oz did to my average.

The greed in me saw all that green and now I cant give it back. He wont even realise what happened. Why would you send it untracked??

>>18774888
upboated!
I laughed tho

>>18771387
>>18771448
Same in Canada. USPS leaving packages on my doorstep.

>>18769329
Thanks, One of two I have posted. Feel comfy and safe for the time being.

Thanks to you fucks for encouraging the stacking.

>>18776149
'Roos, Phillies, or Krugerrands.

>>18776450
>>18776687
You should do the right thing and email seller & send it to the right buyer.

Karma is a bitch and if you make this decisions, you will start making worse decisions.

Play with it for a few days, take some pics, then send it.

>>18775960
it is possible to look good, that one is just uninspired.

>>18770014
>digimon money
going to use this from now on

>silver price dumping
REEEEEEEEEE I JUST BOUGHT

>>18766313
You buy silver because the gold silver ratio is crazy then get more gold with it later.

>>18777223
>Phillies
what are those?
also why not the Maple Leafs from Canada? It's a sovereign mint like the aussies and a little cheaper

>>18777274
Nope fuck them

Stupidity comes with a price. You dont get rich giving back gold. Fuck karma

>>18777445
Vienna Philharmonic, from Austria

>>18766231
I wonder how much that was worth at the time?

Never bought gold or silver before, don't know shit about it.
What's it all about, and how do you profit from collecting physical bars? Or is this just one of those things where you're trying to slowly build a glimmering throne out of precious metals you can sit on for laughter purposes.

Waiting on a 10 oz flag bar

>>18766313
Not necessarily, I went 30k hard into silver the past 3 months. I could have purchased gold but I believe silver will give a higher return.

>>18776783
>USPS leaving packages on my doorstep
>USPS
>in Canada
use canada post, you troglodyte. they need signatures and ID to get your package.

>>18777693
It's mainly a hedge against inflation. Many believe the entire US monetary system is fraudulent because a private banking cartel was given the authority to print legal tender (the Fed) which is blatantly unconstitutional, and they have abused it to the point where the entire monetary supply has doubled since 2008. In the event that this leads to hyperinflation any savings you have in dollars would be rendered worthless, so having a stack of PM with real intrinsic value is a good hedge against that possibility

>>18775791
500oz jan19 16,29 eur
1000oz feb 19 16,49eur

3 monster boxes maples

>>18775941
it`s the size of three shoeboxes, people have massive piles of useless stuff lying around, and something that can fit in any closet is supposed to be a problem?

>>18779028
So is it more about hoarding it until the inevitable collapse/hyperinflation, or does any active trading go on? I'm assuming any trade profit to be made from precious metals is long-term and part of the fun is in the act of collecting different designs?

>>18779188
For me it’s about leaving my son and daughter a pile of silver when I die. Or if an investment opportunity comes along use it on that

>>18775922
I just looked and every site has them lol.
BGASC
Provident
MoneyMetals
SDbullion
JMbullion

lol...

>>18766313
Tell me something I don't know

>>18779188
>So is it more about hoarding it until the inevitable collapse/hyperinflation, or does any active trading go on?
For the short term ya, silver-dime-mother-daughter-blowjobs for the smart ones.
Long term it is value protection or even leveraging an overvalue in one asset into an undervalued asset, then vice versa sometime later to exponentially grow value.
An example would be hyper-valued gold into post-bubble real-estate, then back to gold again when the reverse happens. you gust grew your value by flipping around consciously.

>>18777693
Skeptics are actually correct that precious metals don’t earn money, but that’s not the point. They have two main uses:

1) As a hedge against catastrophic failure of the monetary system. People who save in metals for this reason only usually limit their holdings to around 10% of their portfolio because in the event of this happening you will need a surprisingly small stack to make it.

2) as a place to park savings and ensure they aren’t inflated away over the decades. Arguably this is actually even more important if you are a poorfag.

>>18776149
Where I am Austrian Philharmonics are the cheapest. Nice looking coin too

>>18774843
>>18776522

Perth Mint. Can only order Perth business hours.

>>18779869
>>18779570
>>18779417
This is interesting, thank you. So the value of precious metals is that you have something tangible with concrete value, that can be left behind or just kept without anyone else fucking it up for you, and it's also immune to catastrophic financial crashes? I enjoy collecting things and the stacks in here look pretty comfy, maybe I should look into investing.

>>18775922
Order from ansilie bullion. Paid for 3 100oz Perth mint bars on monday for $2712 each. Arrived today

>>18779977
Yep, it’s also a really fun hobby. For me if I don’t buy silver I’ll buy other useless shit anyway. With silver I get to spend money and consoom, but actually retain my money.

>>18780095
Yeah, it all seems really interesting. I have a habit of consooming for needless bullshit a lot, so if I collect precious metals I'm not really losing out on anything by doing so. Thanks, guys. I think you've got me converted.

>>18780213
I too was converted in a /pmg/

The government can and will make private gold ownership illegal. They've done it before. What's the point in a store of value if it'll make you an outlaw or you'll have to cash out to the mighty fiat anyway?

Cash is king. Invest in toilet paper.

>>18780351
Gold wouldn’t loose value, and when gold is made legal again (like it did before) the people holding gold will be in a good spot. See pre 1933 gold coins

>>18780213
This is why personally I don’t even listen to killjoys who insist you have to buy big bars and shitty generics.

Doing that would kill the fun and discourage me from stacking so if I actually did this I’d end up stacking less.

A good way to not go crazy though is to buy A) relatively affordable antique coins that seem likely to gain collectors value and B) coins that are affordable but still nice and give you that collectors’ kick like Canadian maples and philharmonics, for example. They still look great and have only a slight premium over spot PLUS demand for them is higher and hence other people are more likely to want to buy them from you over generic rounds because they’re trusted and don’t look like shit.

For me at least, despite the premium meme I end up saving more value than I do when I buy other bullshit so on the whole it’s making me richer than I used to be.

>>18773279
Supporting South Africa? You do know they're trying to be Zimbabwe 2: Electric Boogaloo, right?
>>18779977
Now you get it. Consider the following, understanding that up until 1965, all coins larger than 10¢ were 90% silver in the US...

A freshly-minted dime bought a gallon of milk or a dozen eggs in 1964. Price in USD: 10¢.

Today, a 1964-dated dime still buys a gallon of milk or a dozen eggs. Price in USD: $1.09.

Only difference between those two exchanges is that you'd have to sell the silver dime for fiat before trading the fiat for the goods in 2020, vs. just taking the dime to the store and giving it to the cashier like you could in 1964.

Same coin buys the same thing, 56 years apart. If that doesn't show you PMs are a store of value, what will?

>>18780438
>the people holding gold
You mean the people who held gold illegally, and risked federal jail time and 500k+ fines? Are you really willing to do that? Do you even own your gold? Or do you own a note? Because notes are basically fiat. When gold is outlawed, you'll get less than market value and then the government will devalue the dollar just like they did last time.

>>18780477
Thanks for the tips. I'll start looking into it today, think I'll start small and see how I like it.

>>18780477
Agreed but that being said everyone should eventually buy at least a kilo bar of silver so they can feel like some gilded age asshole.

I own all sorts of weird shit but I just advocate savings of any sort whether that be cash/PMs/etc. Basically anything to avoid just blowing all your money on useless fucking garbage. For some people PMs help because that extra step of turning it into cash keeps them from pissing all their wealth away.

>>18780711
Gold is really easy to hide

>>18780984
Perhaps, if you actually own it. But amounts that are easy to hide probably aren't worth that much either. A large amount is more difficult to hide, and more dangerous especially if anyone gets wind that you're hiding gold. Not even talking about the government, just anyone who might want to steal it from you especially in times of economic strife.

>>18781063
You can fit like $10 million worth of gold in a shoebox you dumbfuck

>>18780711
There's virtually no risk of anyone finding your shit unless you outright report it yourself. No cop is gonna go to everyone's home to find a gold eagle or two.

>>18780250
/pmg/ was fantastic until all of the batboi and poor fags showed up.

Here's my Dutchfag stack
>50G full set and stacks, 92.5%
>10G full set, 80% and 72%
>2.5 G 1848, 1870, 94.5%
>ducats full set, 87.3%
>total weight 1626 gr = 57.35 oz
>total silver weight 1466.28 gr = 51.72 oz

I'm gonna get some gold pieces too and stack some more 50's.

>>18781365
Gold is 1700 an oz. roughly equates to 27k a lb. you need ~370 lbs for 10M. Can you fit 370lbs in a shoebox?

>>18781779
>Can you fit 370lbs
>what is weight
>what is volume
lol

>>18781779
You can because gold is a very dense metal with a density of 19.3 g/cm^3. A shoebox has dimensions of approximately 12" x 8" x 5" = 30 cm x 20 cm x 12.5 cm. If we multiply everything out we get:

30 cm x 20 cm x 12.5 cm x 19.3 g/cm^3 = 144,750 g = 144.75 kg

144.75 kg ~= 318.45 lbs

Get a slightly thicker shoebox and it will easily hold 370 lbs of gold.

>>18781779
yep

>>18781779
I just realized you made another mistake as you're assuming gold is measured in avoirdupois ounce. They're measured in troy ounces where one troy ounce is equal to 31.1 grams. Thus, one pound of gold is equal to:

1 lb * 1 kg/2.2 lb * 1,000 g/kg * 1 ozt/31.1 g = 14.615 ozt

One avoirdupois pound of gold is thus 14.615 ozt * $1,700/ozt = $24,856.54

>>18770014
well to give them credit, btc and chainstink have poasted bigger % gains than gold and silver. they aren't wrong. but at the end of the day those gains have to get rolled into something, more investments, cash or PMs

>>18781748
what's the econ situation in nederlandz?

>>18781063
Not true at all, 1 kilo is worth 50k+ and fits in your hand. You can hide many kilos worth if you aren't retarded

>>18766231
dump alert

>>18782946
btc/agozt about 589.4 right now

Mail call: 1/2 oz gold roo & another platinum eagle

>>18782514
There are parties in NL who want a nexit and out of the Euro. And they may just get what they want if the EU collapses. Maybe we'll go back to the Gulden. We don't have silver coins anymore besides some commemorative coins but they are collectibles. I collected some sets of when our money was still silver and some of them are very stackable because they are available in large quantities.
So we have no equivalent to say, the ASE but we have had similar in the past and I think it's cooler to stack something from my own country. It's not the best option to get the most volume for the least money, but the small difference for me is negligible.

>>18766361
>a bunch of kikes' lies
ok

>>18768201
If you have a very big IQ you go all in silver.

>>18781662
Don't be uncool. The people you denigrate are saving their money rather than spending it on worthless trash from China or magical Internet lottery tickets.

What kind of discussion would you like to see on these threads? There's only so much a regular person needs to know to own precious metals. Any discussions on trading cannot easily be done here and, quite honestly, anyone capable of consistently making profits trading futures would not divulge his trades here except to fade people following his advice.

>>18781748
Geen vleermuisjongen? (American Samoa 2020)

>>18768225
I have 0.1483 BTC. Will bitcoin go up?

>>18783473
Lol nee. Laat je stapel zien anon

Ordered pic related yesterday from JM at 3pm eastern. Got an email today at 10 am confirming it shipped. Good turnaround

this dump though

Just picked up 3oz of platinum.

I see "silver proof" coins on britbong eBay all the time, what does it mean? Are these just silver coated or sterling silver or what?

>>18783792
It means they got an extra nice pounding and their surface finish is so smooth that it will reflect light from other dimensions and also turn our light into black darkness

>>18783792
silver proof ought to be a silver coin struck as a 'proof'.
Proof is usually a shiny mirror finish. Very attractive.

Should I buy platinum, it seems cheap compared to gold?

>>18771448
I bought two gold ducat from them and decided to read reviews of the company After I did.

Read stuff from shorting orders 1/6th to sending it to the wrong address and then re adjusting the price based on spot even though it wasn't the customers fault.

Also the come sealed in mint but how am I supposed to test it. Will it no longer be considered mint?

>>18783792
Proof coins are coins that are typically minted using highly polished planchets and the dies are not used to mint too many coins before being replaced to ensure that the struck images are sharp.

The designation "proof" comes from past practice where before a new coin was minted en masse for circulation, a few proofs (samples) were minted to be inspected by the appropriate monetary authorities. The inspection looked for errors and general quality. Passing the inspection meant the coin was ready for circulation; failing inspection meant new dies and another proof process.

>>18783765
Trannycoin

>>18783907
a few years ago it was double the price of gold, now is it half. it's hard to predict where the price will go, because there are several factors at play..
>platinum price is more dependent on industrial use, which could decline further due to covid economic slowdown
>on the other hand, the biggest source of platinum is south africa, which is increasingly politically unstable.
personally, i picked up 2oz recently

>>18783907
On a relatively recent historical basis, platinum is indeed cheap and probably should be bought, especially if you have a lot of capital to invest and are willing to take a little more risk. Platinum would have to roughly quadruple to get to its more recent relative price to gold. Depending on what ratio of silver to gold you use--50:1 or 20:1--silver would have to double or quintuple to reach its "appropriate" ratio to gold.

You do have to recognize, though, that platinum, like silver, is also an industrial metal which means its price will be heavily affected by its industrial uses. In the case of platinum, one of the primary industries that use platinum are catalytic converters for diesel engines. After the diesel engine scandal in Europe, industrial demand for platinum has dropped and that's one of the reasons for its depressed price. It's possible that in light of the extremely high prices for palladium that manufacturers for automobiles that use an ICE will replace the palladium in their catalytic converters for platinum.

However, that will take time and we are in the throes of a global depression which will very severely curtail automobile sales.

If you're taking physical possession of your precious metals, it can't hurt to buy a bit of platinum. Platinum seems to costs more to store in a vault than gold so that's something to consider if you're keeping your platinum in a vault. Of course, depending on what you believe the "proper" ratio of gold:silver should be, you might conclude that silver is a better bargain than platinum.

One final note: Marc Faber, who has over his career been a pretty successful investor, is of the opinion that platinum is cheap. I agree with his opinion and have bought platinum over the past two or so years but have yet to see any real profits. My purchase prices were $1,000/ozt, $800/ozt, and $675/ozt. When it touched $625/ozt, I was too frightened and sickened to buy any more.

>>18783792
Proofs will have the mint mark on the coin, depending on which mint it it came from. Like others said they usually have a polished finished. They're neat to collect but not ideal at all for stacking

>>18783654
JM is pretty good dude. Even during the midst of the crash last month when they were all backed up it only took them like 17-18 days to ship

>>18784290
Mint marks are not solely reserved for proof coins. Most circulating coins also have a mint mark.

>>18770014
E-Coiners are either retards or scammers. Their ship will sink in due time. But to be fair, for now they are doing pretty well.
And I don’t understand gold collectors. We’ve been off the gold standard since Nixon, I’d rather collect fiat or other goods personally.

>>18784314
Yah I know but he's asking about silver proofs not circulating shit coins

>>18766933
That's retarded. Buy liberty head or saint gaudens if you want to collect coins. Not overpriced government special shit.

Give me some gold mining stocks

>>18784343
Fiat drains buying potential over the years . The gold standard is what kept the government from insane deficit and the fed from going brrrrrrrrr

>>18784411
Yeah but, we aren’t using anymore right? And the fed is brrrrrr’ing now. So why bother collecting it? I mean... besides just as a hobby. Collecting it as a hobby makes more sense to me than the idea it ever being useful.
I guess it’s just not for me ya know?

>>18784343
Well, just look at how much a dollar buys today. not too much, right?

Well, a $20 FV gold double-eagle bought a good custom suit back when they were being used (turn of the 20th Century).
Today, that same amount of gold still buys a good custom suit, but after being converted into Nixon's funny money, but now over 1,300 dollars of it.

Now you see why we by gold and silver. Before the market can react and drop the buying power of these new fiat dollars from the fed going BRRRRRRRRR, we're storing the value it currently has into something that will prevent it from inflating away.

>>18784474
I think I understand. It combats inflation by storing value in something that loses value more slowly.

is a 6% premium good or bad for gold? Was thinking of buying a couple of these 15 gram, 20 peso coins

>>18784411
>>18784474
Thank you for taking the time to better explain it to me.

>>18784461
>Yeah but, we aren’t using anymore right?
Nigger, look around you.

Silver Aztec rounds, cool or not?

>>18784461
No purely fiat currency has ever stood the time. It is almost certain that the US dollar is going to lose its reserve status and suffer tremendous loss of purchasing power. The question that no one knows, though, is when that will occur. However, in light of the more and more outrageous actions by the central bank, we are surely in the end game. Precious metals will protect your purchasing power if the game ends in your lifetime, which is highly possible. I don't have the chart with me anymore but the history of reserve currencies shows that they don't even last 100 years before a new power takes over. In the case of a purely fiat currency being a reserve currency, we are already in uncharted territory.

>>18784617
Interesting. I’ll have to look into that. I like historical charts.

>>18784610
I just bought 50 from Golden State Mint, it's been over two weeks and they still haven't shipped though

>>18784461
>>18784461
It preserves your buying power or enables extra buying power through the years. So for example in 1974 an Oz of gold cost $184. That same Oz of gold is now worth around $1700 dollars. Had you saved that $184 in fiat, it would still be only $184 but the purchasing power would be greatly reduced from inflation from 1974-2020. Same goes for silver, although it's more volatile. In 1964 a silver quarter could have purchased a gallon of gas. That same silver quarter can still purchase a gallon of gas, plus some. Had you been issued a cheap bi metal quarter in 1964, it would still be worth only .25, except that fiat quarter can no longer purchase a gallon of gas.
>>18784527
No problem. Fiat is debt based. Meaning just to print the money they are guaranteeing you pay interest through taxation, on the currency being printed now. It's like a means of monetary serfdom, and the dollar they're giving you constantly loses purchasing power through the years

>>18784370
Newmont Goldcorp
Kirkland Lake Gold
Kinross Gold
Pretium

these are all very good companies.

>>18784250
>My purchase prices were $1,000/ozt, $800/ozt, and $675/ozt. When it touched $625/ozt, I was too frightened and sickened to buy any more.
damn, that sucks, sorry to hear that fren

>>18784504
It doesn't lose value more slowly. It increases or maintains the value. Also, check out Mike Maloneys Hidden Secrets of Money series on YouTube. It's great. This thread makes me long for the 2012 Ron Paul days

>>18784610
looks extra neato tbdesu

>>18784610
I really like them, but I spent half my twenties going down the psychedelic ayahuasca/peyote rabbit hole, so I am a little biased.

>>18785154
I used to dabble a good bit myself, mostly mushrooms and LSD. I'm completely sober these days but I miss my psychonaut days

>>18785046
Haha! Thanks, but I wasn't financially harmed as the purchases were tiny fractions of my net worth and I've essentially broken even. In this crazy environment of zero interest rates and neverending rounds of quantitative easing, it's absolutely terrifying to be presented with a menu of overpriced assets (stocks, government bonds, corporate bonds, housing) on which you're almost guaranteed to lose your ass while you are guaranteed to lose purchasing power sitting on your hands (cash).

For people who kind of know what's going on, it's a mad dash to find places to protect one's purchasing power and, hopefully, also make a profit.

>>18785191
Exactly, seems like PM is the only safe place left to preserve your wealth, that's why i'm in, got enough of getting raped by the inflation tax all those years.
Now i've 90% of my savings on gold&silver and couldn't be comfier, just have enough left on my bank accounts to pay the bills plus some unexpected purchases, it also force me into stop being a compulsive coomsumer, which is great.

>>18785471
Depending on how wealthy you are, might want want to increase the amount of cash you hold because gold and silver could go down and stay there for a few months or years. I've got about 25% of my net worth in cash, 30% in precious metals, 5% in long Treasury bonds, 25% in private equity, with the remainder in relatively boring equities that pay dividends.

I was almost 85% in equities and maybe 5% in precious metals in 2008 when the crash came. I was well aware that the housing bubble would crash and wipe out the banking system so I picked stocks that avoided those sectors I thought would fail. However, I still suffered a fairly significant drawdown and the relatively small cash position I had made it such that I had no dry powder to buy near the bottom.

My cash position was large enough that I had a few years living expenses in the event I lost my job, which I eventually did.

My point is, cash totally sucks especially in this environment but you still have to have enough to cover expenses for about a year or so in the event you lose your job. The bills don't just go away and you don't want to be in a position where you might be forced to sell at a bottom to raise cash for expenses.

Could be better, could be worse

>>18783565
Stacklet here, with the malse vleermuisjonguh

invest in cobalt mining. gold and silver are worthless

>>18786146
Very nice. I see you have some Willies and Wilhelminas as well. I'm planning on getting the golden Wilhelmina set. What's the coin with the heron? I like it.

>>18786283
It is the 2015 5 oz $0.25 USD American ATB Bombay Hook National Wildlife Refuge Silver Coin

>>18786400
Birds on money is kino

>>18786146
Wtf do you need the grapple gun for, batboi??

>>18786543
Maybe he's a Euro and that's his only line of defense

>>18786200
ironically one of the best silver mines in north america is located in Cobalt Ontario, cobalt is being reprocessed from the tailings of the old silver mines there because it was worthless, now its desperately needed for modern technology.

>>18786578
Hope he’s got a loicense ‘or it.

RED ALERT
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>>18780213
PM tickles that autism for me and helps me spend money and save it at the same time. Like >>18780477 said there's a lot of guys who enjoy shaming stacks but it comes down to personal preferences and what you can reasonably spend to hedge against fiat. For example, I really like these cryptidcoins. The last batch of 9oz was the same price as a 10oz bar, but they're way cooler and are a nice fit between stacking and collecting. But there's a lot of BS out there so just shop around a lot so you don't get burned.

>>18786815
i was warning about this. Barrick and their chinese creditors went too far with their bullshit in PNG.

Also doesn't help that PNG is crazy corrupt and want to squeeze even more money out of companies working on their land.

>>18785191
What would you recommend for someone currently sitting on a lot of cash locked away in a Roth IRA from selling stocks before the crash in February?

>>18786504
I miss the guldens

>>18786578
Yup sucks to be an Europoor, cucke d gunlaws and such. Fortunately, crossbows are obtainable in my country without a loicence here

>>18773675
Nice, what are those boxes you're storing them in?

I currently hide my 140 oz stack in a plastic bag where I keep my sex toys. I tell people less and less how much metal I have though. Really just close friends and family. I told a co-worker how the USPS fucking just left $700 worth of silver on the doorstep of my apartment, and after I said it to him, I realized how fucking stupid of me it was to even mention it, considering the state of affairs the world is in right now.

>>18786894
It'll still do the job. I remember reading about some German guy who killed people with a crossbow last year

>>18769864
100 oz is slightly above stacklet. 500 and up is a make-it stack. Basically, one or two monster boxes.

>>18786900
Those are ammo cans.

>>18770607
6 months of living expenses. For me that's about 6 grand, which is 10% of my gross pay. Because of the recent Corona-chan fun time hoax, I only have about $400 in my account right now. Job security looks pretty good for the next few months tho, so I will be able to build it back up.

>>18786871
You sold for a reason and that would have some bearing on what I would recommend. I don't know if your entire liquid net worth is in cash or not. If it is, I'd buy something like 10% - 20% of the cash in CEF or PHYS to hedge its purchasing power. If you have other assets such as equities or bonds in a different account, I'd do something different but, not knowing your exact situation, I cannot make a good recommendation.

I'm assuming you sold in earlier this year because you thought there was going to be a substantial correction? Well, you didn't buy back in when the indexes were down over 30%. Was this because you felt that the valuations were still too high? The markets have recovered nearly their entire drawdowns and yet the economic outlook for at least the next six months looks terrible.

For what it's worth, I bought nothing during the crash because I felt that valuations were still out of this world and they are even worse now. However, I am also not 100% in cash or bonds because the central banks have become dangerously reckless and I feel that there is a risk that high inflation will appear suddenly, not gradually as the central banks hope.

>>18787112
Yeah I didn't buy the dip because I was expecting it to continue on for quite a while longer, certainly my mistake. I'm currently about 15% in physical PMs, 30% crypto, 5% liquid cash, and the remaining 50% in cash in my IRA. If I bought in right now I would still be at a net profit at least, but like you said the economic prospects for the next 6 months are very bleak. At the very least I want to consider my options with the IRA money since it is not liquid. I don't own any other stocks, bonds, or equities at the moment. I may hedge with mining stocks as well since whether we crash or moon from QE they should still have good long term prospects.

>>18776149
ASEs
Canadian Maple Leaves
Austrian Philharmoniks
S.African Krugerrands
Mexican Libertads
British Britannias

...are all the gold standard of gubmint minted PMs.

>>18787313
ASEs have horrible premiums atm though.

>>18779039
Based. Start getting gold now.

>>18787303
I'm not sure what I'd do if I were you because I don't quite know how to classify the cryptocurrencies. I'd probably consider them an extremely speculative asset that may catch a serious bid if there is monetary mayhem. I'd probably consider any one of the three actions, if I were you:

1. As you are thinking, put 5% - 10% of your assets in good mining stocks

2. Put an additional 5% of your assets in precious metals

3. Put 10% of your assets in equities. It appears that emerging market equities are quite a bit cheaper than developed market equities (US equities are by far the most expensive on the planet) and prepare for a very unpleasant, volatile ride. If there is one final crash coming in this cycle, the emerging market stocks are likely to get hammered worse than developed market stocks but they should recover more quickly and do markedly better over the next 10 years or so.

I am basing the EM hypothesis on valuations and the research put out by GMO. GMO projects its EM Value asset class to return 11.8% real (~14% nominal), compounded over the next 7 years. It's been awhile since I've looked at the country allocations that make up GMO's EM Value but I do remember it being quite different from MSCI's EM index.

Personally, I buy into the EM idea but I want to reduce exposure to China. I think and hope that the west finally sees how bad it is to do business with China and can somehow say no to a fast buck to do business with less corrupt partners. I'd think that South Korea, Taiwan, and Japan should do well. Malaysia and Singapore might also do well. I hope the west avoids doing business with Vietnam, India, and Pakistan. Vietnam is just another Communist country that will be about as crooked as China and will play the same IP theft and engage in the same unfair business practices as China. India and Pakistan as utterly corrupt and the bulk of the population is too unskilled to do anything useful.

New thread?

>>18788498
someday

>>18773675
nothing screams RETARD more than low IQs stacking small silver/gold quantities vs buying the largest bar possible

>>18787022
Hmm, makes sense. I already have 1k rds of 5.56 in a can. Might as well throw othrr types of metal in another.

Can someone redpill me on Philharmonic silver coins ? They're the cheapest for me in France

I can also buy Aussie silver coins, I don't know what to chose

>>18786504
imagine actually putting drawings of birds all over your currency instead of putting your greatest historical moments on it to inspire your nation.

>>18789340
they're fine, recognizable and liquid. And of course they're cheap they're made in huge quantities, and it's even cheap and common in America. Must be even more common in EU.

Just ordered 8 of these bad boys for a total of 200 grams of silver, 133 dollars paid with shipping.

>>18790420
Forgot pic.

>>18789397
While you are right that this series of banknotes (50 had a sunflower, 250 had a lighthouse) had a less personal character than their predecessors (pic related), it doesn't make them any less iconic or patriotic. The snipe is a common bird in Dutch landscape among lots of other birds that call our distinctive landscape home. As you may know, a large portion of Dutch soil is reclaimed land which used to be flooded by sea, which, besides economic power, resulted in large natural reserves and the snipe reminds us of our intricate bond with nature, pride, and our rich culture. These things can not be seen apart from each other. Similar for the sunflower which symbolizes a flourishing economy, harvest, and optimism, and the lighthouse which symbolizes our victory at sea, not only have we reclaimed land and turned it into paradise, we also dominated the world with our fleet for decades. These banknotes are as based as it gets. Even though they were introduced in the 70's and there may have been some marxist ideology involves in removing our heroes faces from our currency, our national pride is unshakable.

New thread:
>>18790741
>>18790741
>>18790741