/biz/ - Business & Finance

Lot of good feel banter on the TSLA investor call

Will donald bail out the poor unfortunate oil companies?

I have about $1000 in tanker call options expiring in September. Am I gonna make it?

ET: still a good stock, but you really should have bought it in the $6 range

>mfw I just realized that tankers are essentially banks for oil

Am I just stupid that options confuse the shit out of me? Is there a site that explains it? The explanations Ive seen already assume you know the terminology so I end still being lost anyway

>>18765818
Holy shit, you just blew my mind.

I'm rich bros, I did it.
I saved my money to put it in on a dip.
I'm going to be a millionaire one day.

Buy USFD.

>>18765813
Based. I wish I had bought more. The tax implications still kind of confuse me though.

>>18765829
Investopedia.

>>18765829
>Am I just stupid that options confuse the shit out of me?
probably

It's so easy, what are you waiting for?

>>18765806
Yes, the next oil contracts in the summer will be similar to the May one

>>18765829
https://www.schwab.com/resource-center/insights/content/how-to-understand-options-greeks

Here, don't buy any until you understand them fully or you will probably get rekt. Buy 1 share of TMDX to pay me back for spoonfeeding you.

>>18765867
imagine being a bear this week

>>18765829
You pay a premium that let's you buy (call) or sell (put) a stock at a specific (strike) price. If you don't execute that option because the the the market went the opposite of what you thought it would. You're simply down the premium payment. If you were to otherwise have purchased all 100 shares of that stock, your loss could be far greater.

Well if the MRO rally keeps up I won't have long to wait till $12 gets here (6.28 now)

>>18765800
"Give people back their god damn freedom"
Based Elon dropping red pills.

>futures bright green
FUCKING KEK

>tfw keep losing money trying to beat the market

I've capitulated and decided to go long now. I'm hoping on the dividend bandwagon. The only thing I'm waiting to liquidate is my $NET; once it moons I will sell it to find a nice divvy stock. Can /smg/ recommend me somes cheapies that also good divvy stocks?

white is /CL
really makes you think!

>>18765906
b-but TA told me it was going to crash tomorrow!!

>ET futures
holy fuck whoever recommend this, looking at a 30% roi soon

HOLY FUQ A RED CANDLE JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE!

>>18765925
When will TArds learn?

>>18765924
That's a sick double helix, anon.

>>18765915
>MITT

I have that too. Hope we make it bro

>>18765900
he almost went full /pol/ dropping conspiracy theories
was scared for second

cheers to the lads who helped convince me to buy JETS on Monday

good lads

>>18765915
also looking for good divvy stonks. once my oil stocks bounce back to pre-meme flu levels im selling for something with good dividends

>>18765895
And you can trade 'em for money with your degenerate gambling buddies!

Does anyone know any high yield credit/debt stocks? >10% yield

>>18765940
it also has a crazy good divvy and is an MLP so fuck it i'll probably just hold it for those divvies

>>18765915
T of course. Fat divvy (0.52 x 4), fat yield (7 - 5.2%), low price per share. He'll still be there long after your dead. That's when the fun begins!. Leave your heirs a nasty surprise in your will. (Screw them)

>futures are green
>but so are VIX futures
g-guys?

>>18765962
Sorry, I forgot; it's the most important part, too.

Tried out options for the first time and bought a put option. Lost 60% so roughly $150ish. A hard lesson learned. Im gonna buy calls tomorrows lmfao.

>>18766013
You haven't learned anything

>>18766013
cringe

>>18765855
enjoy it fren

>>18765984
>Large american corporations such as American Telephone and Telegraph (AT&T) hire workers to shill for them on 4chan
what a time to be alive

>>18765993
how does it work with futures. is there a strawpoll somewhere that everybody votes on to determine the future price. how does it average everyone vote to determine the number in real time.

Where my Tesla CHADS at?

>>18765984
>T

Thanks for the rec, but I'm looking for a stock that's about $10 or under.

>>18765829
Alright so basically you pay a premium to bet that the stock will reach x price by y date. The faster and closer the stock gets to x price (or past it), the more money you make. Potential gains are big, potential loss is only as big as the premium.

At least thats how much i understand.

>>18766013
*BZZ* *BZZ*

>yes?
>bogdanoff. He is buying calls tomorrow.
>Pump the market, but before he cashes out, kill him.

The constant bitching and cheerleading in the investing.com comments is fucking hilarious. Makes biz look civil. If those guys were in the same room they would physically attacking each other.

>when you sold btc to buy calls on fang at 1pm but they didn't go through quick enough and bought calls on ivr instead
I guess I really am retarded

>>18765993
More short pressure. It almost makes me think tomorrow will be green again.

>>18766036
Futures are just options trading but without the market being open to validate any form of accuracy. They might react to news post-market and such

>>18766035
How do I get a job shilling on social media? I’m dead serious, I can do 12hrs a day on social media.

>>18765993
VIX doesn't mean red. It just means big moves in either direction. Huge donkey dick green candles for the rest of the week.

>>18766041
I wish, I sold my small position at 700. Congrats, my man.

>>18766071
too many people do it for free for it to be profitable

>>18766072
the vix going down = stocks violently moving up.
the vix going up = stocks violently moving down

>>18766026
Yah, I know. Im gonna keep getting losses until I do eventually start making money.
>>18766029
Ayyyup
>>18766054
This will happen

>>18766053
So you don't have to hit the EXACT value listed on the contract if you don't think your call is EXACTLY right? (I mean, how the fuck often can someone accurately call an exact price at an exact time?)

>hide rotten eggs in his house

>>18766081
No. Please consider remedial education.

>>18765818
Mind blown.

>>18766072
It should mean in either direction in theory but in reality it always means going down. There is a reason behind that but I forgot.

Guys is it too late to get in on HAL, FANG and MRO

>>18766051
ET was a good buy recently but shit is mooning now

>>18766072
preeeeettyyyyyy

>>18766114
Bull run

>>18765895
Thank you that actually is a very simple explanation. What would happen if, say, a stock was currently at $10, but I thought that next month it will hit $15? Lets assume that I magically knew the future, and I KNEW it would hit 15. What would be the best thing for me to do in this situation to make the maximum amount of money with options?

>>18766101
it is a contract to purchase shares at price X
if the shares are more expensive than price X, you buy them for price X and you can sell them for >X, that's your profit (after subtracting what you paid for the contract). if its below X, the call expires worthless

HURRY UP AND BAIL OUT HERTZ REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>18765925
I didn’t think TA could tell you anything about what’s going to happen? I thought it just gave you new jargon to identify what already happened?

>>18766109
if I'm somehow wrong, correct me. However the VIX index actively goes down when stocks are going up and vis versa. the VIX's derivative ETFs are fun to gamble on.

>>18766123
$ET is already in my position, retard. Look at my post again.

>https://business.financialpost.com/pmn/business-pmn/u-s-oil-fund-to-exit-june-futures-buys-contracts-expiring-late-2020-2021

SO what does USO rolling over it's expiring contracts mean for tankers? What does them leaving June 2020 contracts completely for later in the year mean too?

>>18766078
>people shilling for free.
Wasted resources and time. People are dumb, at least get paid.

>>18766148
why don't you read the definition of the VIX, or its formula?

>>18766153
>Look at my post again.
no

... are my dht calls going to make money?

>>18766035
Pretty sure Mr. T-babies is real but just obsessive.

Also, your new is showing. He’s been here for ages, years.

>>18766133
tell us your Insider info and we tell you the best way to make Money of it

>>18766107
Why are you doing this

>>18766161
just read up on it. Basically the VIX spikes when stocks rapidly crash and vis versa. I don't know why I'm arguing this when it's common sense.

>>18766148
It’s because the volume of calls in a bull run far exceeds the volume of puts, so VIX follows an inverse of market trends in that scenario. As bears enter the market it Is more of a gauge of overall options volume. It really shouldn’t be traded.

>>18766181
>every 3rd day, release a new spider into his room as he sleeps

Who 100k loser club?

>>18766202
>the average human swallows 1 spider every 3 days while sleeping
holy shit now we know

>come back from work
>login to questrade
>orbit achieved

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYYRH4apXDo

>>18766228
>release the pregnant spider

>>18766227
I lost it long before I ever attained it.

>>18766053
Effectively correct. The part where you can trade them and how the price movement of these contracts evolve in relation to the underlying price movement enables even more opportunities.
Also the traditional use of options is hedging. You think the price goes up in the longterm, but the price action is unclear in the short term. You buy a call. If you're wrong, the worst that happens is you assume an upfront cost. The best that can happen is different between strike and price + premium less the actual price action of the underlying, that is infinite potential gains.

>>18766227
I'm a literal thousandaire winner. Thank you Justin "Blackface" Trudeau.

>>18766144
That's a man

MRO up another almost 9% in after hours action. I hope Thursday is epic. Hell at this rate hitting 12 a share won't take long at all..

so there's virtually no event that would ever tank the stock market since the fed can print unlimited money
neat, i'm in

Campbros soupmen, not sure how I feel about this CEO interview on cramer. Seems pretty fat and pasty.

>>18766169
yes

>>18765874
>Yes, the next oil contracts in the summer will be similar to the May one
Will they?

Storage data leads to believe that there is more storage available...

>>18766283
He's in?
DOOMP EET

>>18766283
Yes, cash is literally garbage.

>>18766283
yeah it would take an apocalypse to sink this ship

>>18766299
Proof? I have only ever seen reports saying the opposite.

>>18766283
It took you that long to figure it out?

>>18766298
H... how much?

>Most deaths by over 20%
Wait, I thought we were flattening?

>>18766298
>7 posts by this ID
Hello fatty moralfag. Post body

>>18766346
deaths mean nothing, its new cases that matter

>>18766144
Of what use is it when it can't make predictions?

Four weeks into the Bobo extinction event. Are there any still remaining? I tried to tell them to buy calls at the beginning of April, but they wouldn't listen. They kept saying tomorrow will be blood red, but that was only their portfolios.

Is it safe to be long on oil now?
Contracts don't end for a couple of week, so short term gains?

>>18766283
This is cool and all but I wonder what's the downside...

>>18766346
They're retroactively adding February deaths now and reclassifying them as meme corona.

>>18766357
I am the last of my kind. I shall repopulate my kingdom and be their king.

>>18766357
>They kept saying tomorrow will be blood red, but that was only their portfolios.
kek, the bobo self fulfilling prophecy

>>18766346
Probably some asshole governor counting weeks worth of unconfirmed cases all in one day again.

>>18766346
it doesnt matter we need to open the country back up there is a pent up demand that needs to be satisfied

Give me your best divvy stocks.

>>18766263
Then he should really be proud of having such a nice looking vulva...

I don’t even think male pelvises can do that, I don’t think the human body is supposed to.

>>18766351
What the hell are you doing man that poster is actually talking about stocks kek.

>>18766307
Comparing the USA to Venezuela again? Next post the Nikkei and pretend it’s also relevant.

Do I need to understand Intrinsic Value and Extrinsic value to be able to play this game?

>>18766358
It's up again. Guess I answered my own question.

>>18766398
SOXL

>>18766398

XOM

>>18766398
XOM :^)

>>18766403
you don't need to understand anything, its clown market, put money in get more money out

>>18766398
USO

>>18766402
Changing your VPN? Post your body, moralfag.

>>18766398
PPL (on the Toronto stock exchange)

god bless the bat that gave its life so that I could make it

>>18765915
I'm so far in on FRO I might kill myself if it keeps going lower

>>18766398
GM

>>18766398
KO. People would rather DIE than not have Coke.

>>18766398
spce

Holy shit Cramer got a call about
Ceru niggaaaaa

Wonder if it actually has potential for COVID. But I’m too lazy and tired to really research it.

>>18766352
>if we stop testing people, cases will go down
Back to work slave :)

>>18766398
XRX KO XOM

>>18766415
If a moron like me can make money.
I am but a simple average IQ man who likes anime and vidya gaems.

>>18766426
based /smg/ schizo poster

>>18766455
thats the idea lol

>>18766426
Ok this is a body

Q1 GDP slid -4.8%. P-priced in?

>Anon told me to buy DBVT yesterday

>>18766422
how stupid are you?

>>18766455
Seething /cvg/fag spotted. When will guys recover from the fact that your hapooning was a nothingburger?

>>18766372
>>18766357

I'm still here friend, holding 300 spxu average buy in 35. I was pretty upset today when I woke up from my market hibernation and saw another pump for no reason. But im here, and waiting.

>>18766398
rdsb

>>18766499
>But im here, and waiting.

If NAT doesn't go up tmw I'm gonna livestream my hanging

>>18766481
Every night when people go to bed, the economy slids as well. The economy had a little nap.

>>18766346
>If you display coronavirus like symptoms and you die you will be classified as a coronavirus death even without testing
>If you have coronavirus antibodies and you die, you will be classified as a coronavirus death, regardless of actual cause of death

>>18766519
I bought at the bottom today and it rebounded enough to make more money. Was nice but I'm definitely selling out tomorrow morning.

>>18766499
shorting sp is ironically smart since it includes tech. the tech sector was the hardest hit during all this pandemic shutdown.

>>18766487
>listening to anyone on shitcoinchannel

>>18766523
*slides
>>18766531
And like ~25% of blacks in New York have coronavirus antibodies.

>>18766481
They're treating this whole thing as if it was a slight hiccup so everything is priced in.

>>18766523
I might as well go invest in fucking roblox items. Projected return for the next 10 years on the s&p is now fucking negative

Lots of major companies used their major gains in the 10s to buy up stocks.
How come they have to apply for government help when they could sell them, albeit for a loss?

>>18766297
no its good

>>18764091
Following up on that, updated the S&P 500 futures graph for the past two weeks. Cyan is market hours and open, yellow is futures and close. Gain/loss calculated using open/close on the 1 min graph, respectively, and net gain is shown in green red. Results:

>Days w/ Drop on Open: 10/15
>Days w/ Drop on Close: 10/15
>Average of the Pre-market Movement (Magnitude): 1.32%
>Average of the Market Hours Movement (Magnitude): 0.72%
>Average of the Percent of Pre-market Movement Comprising Daily Net Gain/Loss: ~70%
>Days in Which Market Hours Followed Futures: 11/15
>Bullish Market Hour Divergences (Irrespective of Daily Net Gain/Loss): 1/15
>Bearish Market Hour Divergences (Irrespective of Daily Net Gain/Loss): 3/15
>Gain/Loss From 4/8 Open to 4/29 Close: +9.56%
>Attributable to Pre-Market Movement (Assuming Validity of Point #5): +6.69%

To clarify the 5th point, it simply states that ~70% of the daily net gain/loss on any given day is attributable to pre-market movements.

Including today, we have not had a day in which the market hours movement has vastly outweighed the pre-market movement since 4/8, on which pre-market movement was +1.05% and market hours movement was +2.20% (over two times as much).

These are all the fund I own guys. Am I going to make it ? I have 10k left to spend. What should I do?

>JCP up after hours
bigger idiot theory is true guys

>>18766571
Send me 10k over email as a gift.

750 shares of MRO @ 4.85 avg. Currently 37% of my portfolio. At this rate the climb to $12 will be short indeed.

>>18766571
If your that delusional and bullish just keep shorting tvix every close and sell at open

>>18766495
I still have a job, my life is mostly the same. We haven't even seen the real happening yet, when people realize they don't have jobs, and then the second wave hits, and people refuse to go social distance. Thats when shits going down, about a month after lock downs end.

Is it time to buy Airline Stock now?

>>18766398
MRO and HAL

>>18766592
>/biz/ memed JCP
>It went up
>/biz/ memed UAVS
>It went up
Remind me why I shouldn't listen to /biz/ again.

>>18766606
how am I delusional? I was a bear for a longggg time. I didn't start buying til we bottomed mid march. just finished my last buy today

>>18766562

Because shareholders are diluted that way. Same as fed printing money

>>18766614
no, they're going to be shit for a long time, this latest bounce is not worth a buy in, give it two weeks and reassess

I hertz myself today
To see if I still feel
I focus on the pain
The only thing that's real

>>18766613

>>18766523
The Chad American vs the Virgin Italian

Tankerchads.... Are we gonna be alright?

>>18766635
they're going to dump after aal and ual report earnings tomorrow tho

>>18766627
should i buy calls on /biz/?

>>18766566
Highly speculative and shorts are getting bled dry. Retail is just following the big movers lead and will be left holding the bags when they decide they have fattened the pig enough.

>>18766614
I wouldn't and didn't. Some airline want to convert their planes into cargo planes.

>>18766628
Average forward P/E is like 22+ for growth rn, your buying something more overpriced than before the drop.

>>18766571
>no UAVS
Not gonna make it

>>18766662
lol of course it is, the previous quarter and this quarter are going to be outliers. You need to throw those out.

guys why are airlines and cruise lines mooning???

>>18766684
world no longer closed due to aids

>>18766670
No one here nor I am goign to buy your scam shit faggot. Get lost.

>>18766684
because you didn’t buy them

>>18766684
yes, but I think they will crash again before returning to normal

>>18765843
I’m so sick of you faggots and your gay little obsessions with little girl dolls. Kys kike

>>18766684
I don't know. Just look at this guy.

>>18766566
Yeah it's a chump pump we all know, it's been going on for 3 weeks now. The thing is, nobody knows when the fuck the rug pull will be so just get the gains while they last.

>>18766679
>just brush the recession away dude

>>18765906
God damn you kikes G L O W

>>18766653
yes

>>18766651
LUV bounced on their shit earnings, do what you want but I'd wait. It's going to take years for them to recover, theres no hurry about getting cheapies.

>>18766487
Bags: unloaded

Have fun retard lol

>>18766679
It's not a "hiccup" though, defaults have happened and continue to happen both domestic and globally. That has long lasting repercussion on the economy via bank balance sheets. If m2 velocity was higher then i would agree with you that the fed could probably prop it up. Just go look at the spread on RMB denominated oil, businesses are currently defaulting globally that have USD debts.

I hate niggers and kikes and trannies and myself

>>18766716
Seems trustworthy

>>18766655
>>18766718
That's what I think as well. The fact that market hours movements are so weak and that we've had declining volume every day except today for the past two weeks seems like a huge negative sign.

>>18766566
Just adding two more stats, for completion.

>Days in which a Bullish Market Hours Divergence Resulted in Daily Gain: 0/1
>Days in which a Bearish Market Hours Divergence Resulted in Daily Loss: 2/3

>>18766637
Enjoyable

>>18766744
Never trust a guy with a tie. It constricts blood flow to the brain.

>>18766041
Tesla KIKES

>>18766720
>>18766760
Why are you so mad?

>>18766777
elon himself has graced this post

>tesla performed jew magic accounting tricks to post a profit
It is literally impossible to be more of a shitcoin stock than Tesla

TFW think Tesla is a fraud but bought calls because Tesla would BS their way to a good quarter

>>18766799
Do you think so? When I heard they somehow beat expectations THAT hard, I immediately thought "there has to be bullshit in the accounting"

>>18766709
>>18766720
>>18766760
Oy vey the based and red pilled goys have figured out our Japanese comic book character MKUltra mind control and are turning against our electronic chink car company!!

I hope they don’t figure out the market is fake and gay before they cover their shorts, then we won’t be able to destabilize South American regimes!

we shorting Tesla boys? I have no idea whats going on, but I know Tesla is in business because the government needed to entertain goyim with rocket ships and little red cars

>>18766806
I mean, you made the right call, especially since anyone who had the time to read their amended 10-K saw that Elon was fixing numbers by modifying executive payouts. Hope you made some monie, fren

This is from Euro momo. Anyone still impressed with this?

>>18766827
look man this lockdown, shitty jobs getting laid off, reduced access to illicit drugs, along with trump fucking over most retail traders has caused more suicide deaths than virus deaths. it is time to open back up

>>18766845
Don't know about you but I'm not shorting N-E-THING for a while.

>>18766845
>shorting tesla
No, at least not before 900, in fact it might even hit 1000 this time.

>people don;t understand Tesla is a battery company(will be at $3000-5000/share soon), the oil industry is bankrupt, humanity is transitioning to a type 1 civilization or facing total collapse right now

TSLA is call option on the future of humanity, it's like pascals wager, you invest now if it pays off great, if it doesn't then it doesn't matter anyways because we going back to the neolithic, but if you don't invest you just lose all around

>>18766813
They cashed in tax credits posted in amendments to their 10-K. They held this jew magic until now when literally any profit increase from a tech company will moon the stock higher than any other time.

>>18766870
das rite

what did TSLA do exactly with their books

>>18766845
Don't fight the Musk. Not only did he fuck with 10-K numbers to prop revenue, he's also planning a follow-on to bring even more suckers into his ponzi scheme. Shorting/putting TSLA is actively going against the flow of stupidity, which is a very strong market force right now.

>>18766870
Why.... If oil is cheap why is anyone buying overpriced electric cars then when you can fill up a hummer for dirt cheap at the gas station.

>>18766449
WHY DO YOU KEEP POSTING THIS COW SLUT EVERY DAY IN EVERY SMG THREAD YOU FUCKERS NEED TO DIE. No mentally sane person would collect and distribute these degenerate images. KILL YOURSELF!

>>18766870
I hate the cult of Elon so fucking much.

FUCK THE BEARS

>>18766894
I just noticed they accurately predicted how tv will look in the future.

>>18766870
Anon why would I buy an electric car when gas i $1/gallon

>>18766777
I’m sick of these loli and cuddy posters shitting up /biz/. They have their own degenerate boards they need to fuck off and die

>>18766870
>people don;t understand Tesla is a battery company(will be at $3000-5000/share soon)
Show us your DCF model you got that price target

>>18766904
If oil is cheap then the industry goes bankrupt, if oil is expensive the industry still goes bankrupt because they need oil at $200/barrel+ to actually make money which would destroy consumers and the global economy

It's over for the oil industry, and I work for the oil industry kek I see this shit first hand

>>18766938
I see.

>>18766870
Please stop being retarded. The only reason Musk's toy barn is allowed to exist is because short-sighted governments hate building out on-grid public infrastructure.

>>18766913
Me too. It’s all r3ddit users and Jews/ Jew apologists. They are disgusting beings.

Is there a site I can practice trading options?

>>18766888
Can you explain in detail for people that don't know accounting what exactly Tesla did? It would be much appreciated

>>18766901
Ok, so Tesla is gonna go up? What about the three candle strategy?
Who wants to throw down 5k on a 40 minute trade? Take pics

>>18766963
thinkorswim

>>18766948
Oil will come back. Over the last 10 years there has basically fuck all of exploration. Book it anon, in 5 years oil will be 200+ because no supply

>>18766870
I see you’re an intellectual I’m also shorting VIX

>>18766904
Cell is Elon and the green ball is the stupid energy of the planet. There's a lot of stupid energy anon. A lot.

>>18766963
>practice
Save up $1k, follow a handful of tickers very closely, and make bets with real money. You'll learn faster because mistakes will hurt more.

>>18765897
>MRO
Its worth more like 25$ right, and what if they acquire some of the smaller guys that fail.

>>18766438
I sold FRO 7 days ago for a quick profit :)

>>18766982

whats gonna happen tomorrow bros

>>18766977
That us what I'm saying, there has been no exploration because all the reserves have been found and now it's just total dogshit oil sands and fracking

Oil will never go above $100 again because the consumer is too poor to pay those prices, the economy will simply collapse and demand will disappear like it is now

>>18766948
It's a supply and demand problem though, why does production keep being cut when the price of renewables per amount of electricity produced is STILL higher than oil. Its because demand is collapsing, we know that. If demand is collapsing why should a more expensive form of energy be doing better, or the future somehow.

>>18766921
holy shit. who would win in a fight. bull or grizzly bear?

Okay SOXL is up 35% since I bought it. That's nice. Let's keep it going bulls. Pump this market. Pump it. Harder.

>>18766983
I have the money is there a ticker that doesn’t cost much? I wouldn’t mind paying 50-100 bucks for a lesson

Guys, I think NAT might have been a coordinated pump and dump scheme.

>>18767012
No clue.

>>18767012
Some tech stocks are posting earnings so it might be good or bad. Dunno. Probably going to sell my calls early and rebuy them after feeling out the moves. If the market moons I miss a little bit of profit. Who cares.

>>18767041
thats the smart approach

>>18767016
Then what? We live on nat gas?

>>18767021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaI2IlHwmgQ

>>18766974
>>18766963
I also recommend think or swim, its by TD and can help you learn futures as well.

>>18766999
I'm happy for you and your tripdubs anon
Can I get a shred of your power

>>18766954
I’m here to take in business /investment advice . I have no clue why these beta faggots think that by posting underage 2d children that it makes their advice more acceptable . It blows my mind how stupid these fuckers are. Why on earth would I take advisement from pedophile coomers. They also always have long posts that reply to 3-4 anons, as if they are trying to spread their degenerate thoughts to as many anons as possible with each post

>>18767012
I'm currently running some modeling with the end-of-market data, but right now I believe the markets will either go up or down.

>>18767025
There was literally promoted posts for it on twatter

I got 4 TAP calls strike price 45. Am I fucked

>>18767054
A mixture of energies, the main thing is that the western standard of living will fall to 1991 Russia levels and people will simply adapt, tech stocks will continue to break all time highs as the silicon valley tech firms become more powerful than the bankrupt nation states, things continue and improve for the rich as usual, western middle classes are wiped out and will live like people do now in eastern europe(after they go through 1990's Russia style collapse)

>>18767020
Honestly I'd bet on a bull, when they get mad they have no fucks to give until well past your death, basically they'd just be rampaging with horns even while the grizzly gnaws on whatever it can.

>>18767100
bears have claws that will fuck up a bull

>>18767012
Prediction, based on >>18766566, futures will drop to about -0.2% to -0.4% at most, somewhere between 11:00pm and 1:00am tonight. At that point, we'll start to see some buying pressure that will push it upward incrementally in mostly large spikes followed by smaller gradual upward movements. That will peak around 7:00am or 8:00am, at which point it will oscillate. We'll see a small dump for the first 30 min post-open, at which point we'll get more buying pressure throughout the day on the hopes of Amazon earnings and the positive news lingering from today. At 3:50pm we'll get news that a 10km asteroid is on an impact course for Earth and will hit us in 4 weeks time. SPX 10k by EOW.

>>18767089
why would this be bad. something I'm missing here?

>>18767016
What incentive is there for china or Africa to switch to renewables and drive electric cars when it is still cheaper to buy oil is what I'm saying. I will give you tesla could be the future in that electric cars in general will take over gasoline cars even if oil consumption remains the same and instead goes toward generating electricity.

I agree with you 100% though, consumers could never afford $100 barrels of oil, I really like Gail Tverbergs take on oil exactly because of that. I just see oil remaining a primary input compared to the higher ecoe renewables, meaning the switch to electric cars would be more akin to phone companies changing to USB-c rather than it being the end of oil.

>>18767110
I still think simply because of their intensity they have the advantage, the bears going to have to get a quick kill shot or else it's going to get some serious horns, I don't think a grizzly would take more than 1 or 2 good shots with horns before trying to gtfo whereas a bull once it's going isn't stopping regardless of its physical health.

We're unironically in a market where
>investing into Tesla is viable even though you know it's a scam, and especially because it's a scam since you know normies will get scammed and pump it
>some people got rich by getting hyped about fucking Zoom and buying the WRONG Zoom, literally making bank with pure retard strength

TESLACONNEEEECT

>>18767110
>>18767155
>At the outset, the bear would usually hang back, taking a defensive posture on its hind legs, while the bull was often the first to attack, charging with head down and horns lethal. It was generally understood by eyewitness accounts that the bear held the advantage in the fray. While the bull had a deadly lunge, the bear could parry the advance and grab the bull by the head, sinking its teeth into the bull’s neck, or on one account, biting the bull’s tongue, which would have undoubtedly released a crowd-pleasing bellow. At such times the vaqueros would jump in and break up the fight to save the bull and prolong the drama. “I was present,” stated a spectator named Arnaz in the pages of California Pastoral, “when a bear killed three bulls.” Often a single grizzly would fight many bulls consecutively until the home team won. “Sometimes the bull came off victorious, and at other times the bear, the result depending somewhat on the ages of the beasts.”

>>18767160
>>some people got rich by getting hyped about fucking Zoom and buying the WRONG Zoom, literally making bank with pure retard strength
This wouldn't happen on the Toronto Stock exchange because of our big Canadian brains.

>>18767145
China's already got huge incentives for renewables and electric cars and buy them enmass. There wouldn't be any confusion about this but for their reliance on coal (not oil) which masks the issue. Coal is a geo-politically stable energy supply for them, can't be cut off by blockading straits they have limited access to, and they have a substantial state operated and owned energy sector that operates coal plants, often well under capacity mostly for the purposes of absorbing unemployment and debt.

>dow futures are red

>>18767138
Well I went off the hope that all the bars being closed was priced in. But all the unemployed and work from home americans were buying massive amounts of cheap beer. I know I have been. Or I made a massive mistake and through away a few hundred on a earnings report.

Alright lads. I have a rollover ira worth 1350 right now from my part time whole foods job. Not in anything right now. I'm about 180 dollars down, which is also the amount of my match from that job.

Do I hold on to it, or withdraw it? I'm not even sure what to put it in. Could probably use the money right now...

>>18767160
This has always been a thing anon. Read Intelligent Investor for some examples of the market in the short term being generally retarded and silly.

>>18767211
Go all in on $ET.

heh dont really have anything to say just wanted to share this animu girl

BUY NET (my bags)

>>18767160
>some people got rich by getting hyped about fucking Zoom and buying the WRONG Zoom, literally making bank with pure retard strength

This is not the first time this has happened and won't be the last.

>>18767176
You could have bought 10,000 shares of zoom for $100 if you anticipated this stupidity and sold every last one for 200k

barely got my trumpbux guys is:

$200 GUSH
$200 LUV
$200 CLL

still a good buy you think?

>>18767207
Do you mean you are selling calls? TAP is 47.50 so if your strike price is 45.00 that have an intrinsic value of $2.50 per share.

>/ES red
oh no mumu the domp!

Oh who am I kidding it'll pump up +1.5% premarket anyways

>>18767245
no

>someday Tesla will get audited and fucked over
>someday some /r/wallstreetbets guy will become a millionaire off his yolo put when it happens

>>18767211
A government bond ETF?

>>18766954
And then when I call out these brain cell deficient faggots on their bullshit they tell me to go back to /pol/ or the trump r3ddit. They are fucking kike cyber agents here to spread disinfo / degeneracy

>>18767245
$1000 on 5/1 $700 tesla puts.

Do you want to be rich or poor

why are the futures not pumping
why the fuck would we have one day of retard strength pump, then next day it would suddenly stop???
if everything is ok why not just fucking go +100% in a single day and be done with it?
fucking clown market

>>18767145
>What incentive is there for china or Africa to switch to renewables and drive electric cars when it is still cheaper to buy oil is what I'm saying

Autarky basically, I think China will still increase oil consumption but demand will still fall worldwide just from the bloated western middle class being wiped out. The oil industry will run off their remaining conventional reserves, the oil sands, fracking, and other high cost projects will simply be closed permanently.

I think oil will hold a special place to maintain the transportation infrastructure and operate heavy equipment, because there is literally nothing to replace it. The electrical grid will become more decentralized and people will use more small electric vehicles and electric bikes charged by solar panels or whatever, things like flying for vacations will be reserved for the ultra wealthy. Africa will never develop. Manufacturing will be more localized and reduce long global supply chains and demand for oil.

I'm gonna hang on to MRO till it hits 12 a share and till I collect that first divvy payout (more shares). At that point the bulk will be sold. Now if it takes longer before it hits 12, well that only benefits me cause again, more divvy payouts;more shares. Might as well get all I can from it while the money is in use. The high is 18 a share, but I think hitting that level again is outta reach unless the weather just turns real nasty this winter. (ice/snow storms out the ass)

>>18767194
I did not know that, thank you. I still believe my question is valid however, what incentive is there to switch? For china if that means shifting the bill to coal and in the US maximizing consumption in oil rather than renewables, what is the future for tesla? Do you believe forced government intervention into markets for the benefit of climate change reduction alone will keep them a high flyer? I just see no world in which electric cars can be heralded as humanity's savior while at the same time oil consumption is so low it's driven the price to $20

what do i buy tomorrow

>>18767276
Maybe they're just mentally ill.

>>18767282
This is february 2018. I think we may repeat it.

>>18767020
>>18767100
These fights actually happened and the grizzly bears would win generally

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/bull-and-bear-fights-california

>>18767245
FFS maybe like a week ago.

>>18767025
price has gone down as oil prices go up and demand increases, even so there is still too much oil and nobody's driving, flying etc so price should go back up

>>18767300
UAVS

>>18767300
Spy calls

>>18767276
Brother, aesthetics and optics matter. Call out pedophilia but do not do it in such a schizo way. Simply be superior and genuinely pity them. I hope someday they repent.

>>18767300
NAT BABEE

>>18767316
If by tomorrow you mean today, then yeah. Otherwise no, you're too late for UAVS.

>sold all my stocks yesterday because I thought there was going to be a market drop soon
>everything I had pumps to the fucking skies as soon as I sell

The drop will come eventually right?

>>18767306
This is december 2018. I think we may repeat it.

>>18767257
But bonds are for losers

>>18767339
Sorry brother but this is clown country and we only going UP

>>18767346
I don't think we will see a recovery like that. The fundamentals of the market will definitely slow our growth. We are essentially entering a recession with bad forecasts.

If this was a drop based on Corona and we just recovered and everyone had a job tomorrow, yeah that would be accurate.

>>18767300
tempted to buy more ENBL.
>>18767316
That just fucking scares the shit out of me.

>>18767339
Eventually. You should be glad that you locked in your profits, not worry about the gains you could have missed. With this market, who can tell when anything will happen?

>>18767346
Except for this. This is categorically not happening, for reasons that should be obvious.

>>18767300
long straddle

>>18767254
>>18767308

what do y’all recommend instead. >>18767278
alright then.

>>18767214
I hate these newfags so much sometimes.

They’re basically seeing someone bet on a number in roulette, having it come up on that exact number, and saying
>clown casino!

>>18766938
It helps keep out the schizos, riff raff, and redditars who can’t take a joke. Oh wait...
>everybody here’s a faggot except me!
Was your father absent or overly critical?

Hold me bobros.

>>18767290
>bloated western middle class

Bred time
>>18767397
>>18767397
>>18767397

To all my tanker bros, anyone holding DHT and know if we're gonna see divvies?

>futures red
OH NO NO NO IM FINANCIALLY RUINED

>>18767388
Back to hibernation come for 2 weeks after 15 years you faggot

>>18767388
Shhh. No tears. Only dreams now.

>>18767383
>pic
based

>>18767376
SM - Maybe more to be made but risky.
PE - Probaby dip and less Risky then SM.
HTGC - It's high if it dips buy more.
ARCC - I hate this piece of shit.
F - Sub 5 Dollars if you can get it, Don't expect it to go higher then $9.

Ask others.

>>18766653
>Calls
How about a strangle till everyone dies

>>18767383
Loli/cuddy posting does not do anything positive for /biz/ or /smg/ threads. All it does is encourage pedophilic thoughts / urges. If you want to scare off new fags/r3ddit lurkers then post gore

ANOTHER 3-4 MILLION JOBLESS CLAIMS TOMORROW BOYS

GONNA BE BRIGHT GREEN

>>18766938
>cuddy
phoneposters OUT

>>18766531
That’s really not how we do it, honest to God.
>t. Actual MD

>>18767072
>I’m here to take in business /investment advice
you are in the wrong fucking place then

>>18767567
>Anonymous person on a pump and dump animation forum
>The director health of one of the major COVID infected states
Hmm.
https://twitter.com/DarrenPlymouth/status/1253401614754422789

>>18767480
Fuck off schizo newfag

>>18766531
Yeah, right, because people die en masse from the seasonal flu when summer is around the corner and flu season is over since 1.5 month. If you die from Pneumonia-like symptoms right fucking now, it's Coronavirus with 99.9% certainty, if not 100%.

>>18767383
LMAO, nice sour grapes, cowfag. You don't even want to know how much money I made today.

>>18767480
Kys

>>18766649
I don't see how tankers can possibly be in trouble in the next 6 months.

>>18767627
I can only speak for my center and also I love cunny take it how you will

>>18767307
I knew I made this for some reason

>>18766179
It's hypothetical.

>>18767709
Truly, crabs are superior in this.

>>18767542
Fuck you kike.
>>18767603
Fuck you jew #2
>>18767632
And fuck you kike #3

>>18767773
Checking my Digits. May these digits bring financial ruin to every Jew and the eventual end to Jewish bloodlines worldwide

>>18767811
Im jewish and I make money every time you post anti-cunny retard propaganda

>>18767910
We really should keep him around.
Every time he gets mad we make money.

>>18767811
baste