/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>18656735
Just buy them online.

>>18656735
Imagine forcing your body to slave away for your boss more than it naturally can, losing your health in the process. Why the fuck would you do this? This is the ultimate cuck
Learn time management and building systems instead

>>18656735
>co-worker on ritalin
just take adderall lmao, you'll be even better

>>18656786
imagine being OP and being Jelouas of these ultimate super slaves. that's even worse.

I work 4 hours a day and get paid for 8.
I value my health and wellbeing, not mr shekelsteins wealth.

What are your guys experiences with beta blockers or xanax?

I do 2 hours of work and get paid for 10. ;)

What are the side-efects? Isn't that cocain and you might go full junkie?

>>18656735
anyway if you really want to be a fucking retard. instead of doing rilatin, look into smart drugs

oxiracetam
piracetam

supposingly NOT neurotoxic, rilatin is an amphetamine and damages your brain neurons.


if you want a smart drug more similar to rilatin ( that will give you slight addiction and some minor damage ) check out Modafinil


anyway if you use these things you are pretty stupid all in all. I experimented with them. they work however... well...


I think it comes at a price that they haven't discovered yet since these drugs are so new.

>>18656835
stims fuck up your appetite, sleep and emotions(some of them also fuck up your heart).
They also build up tolerance so you have to keep upping the dose for the same effect.

>>18656811
Checked. Don't be a poor if you don't want to but don't kill yourself for Mr. Noseberg.

>>18656735
>Do I have to FAKE autism?

I don't think so, pal.

>>18656735
>How can you even compete if you natty
By not entering the race and just sitting tight with a bag of ARPA?

>>18656735
I've never been happier with my self-employment than when I read threads like this.

>>18656735
>5 ritalin per day
Ritalin is horrible shit. Adderall or dexamphetamine is what you want.
Doing any stimulant everyday for long periods of time will burn you out and cause addiction, though.

My doctor unironically gives me this for free. Kiddies cocaine I call it, allows me to trade like a beast. Bonus points if it is rectally administered as it goes straight to the bloodstream instead of through the liver first.

>>18656896
How about don't be a fucking idiot with stims? I take 1-2 times per week, enough for zero tolerance to build and maximum effects.

>>18657050
lol you absolute tarderino.

>> 5 piils of legal grade amphetamine is horrible shit
>> let me suggest these other legal amphetamines derivatives

absolute mong :D

>>18657112
This guy gets it. I do the same with dexamphetamine. Just save it for those days you feel low on energy.

>>18657120
ritalin is not an amph and yes it's dogshit compared to real amph

>destroying yourself so kike will pat your back later

amerimutts, they never learn

>>18657157
fuck off faggot methylphenidate works in a very similar way to dexamphetamine, 5mg amph =~ 10mg mph

>>18657193
I'm assuming you have never taken dexamphetamine, kek. Ritalin is nowhere near as strong and doesn't give the same level of focus.

>>18656813
For what? Maybe good if you have anxiety and do a lot of public speaking.

>>18656735
Hey fren.
Armodafinil is not that bad you know.
Take quarter of a 150mg pill in the morning and you will be ahead of your peers.
Should try it.

>>18657157
Real amph is way worse for you tho shit for brains

>>18656735

Sad but true anon

I take at least 20mg a day sometimes 40mg of oldskool Nazi amphetamine ( Adderall ) do not take Ritalin they gave it to me when i was a kid and I saw the shadow people.

Unironically though been at the same job past 5 years and I now tell people twice my age who have been there twice as long what to do. Fortune 500 btw.

I owe my success to Adderall and Testosterone injections. Not going to pretend I could have done this on my own. Also started fucking one of the lab tech girls and still fucking her 5 years later.

Used to get my shit from the darknet but I have a script now. Just get it through a tele doc over skype or some shit.

>>18657295
Do you monitor your blood pressure, anon?

>>18656735
It's a lifelong thing that parents put on their kids when grades in elementary school matters as much as social interaction. Just tell a doctor you're having a hard time focusing on one thing for more than a minute.

>>18656735
smoke crack for a natural energy boost fren

>>18657189
this

>>18656868
Methylphenidate is NOT an amphetamine.
Looks like those 'smart' drugs aren't working for you.

>>18656811
Using amphetamines for performance enhancement is only based if it's your business. Otherwise you're sacrificing your lifespan for Mr. Goldberg.

>>18657337
Nope I am healthy AF also a little yoked.

Get a gym membership and take the weekends off with no adderall. Eat good food like fish and green shit once in a while. Testosterone is not actually unhealthy unless you overdo it.

>>18656868
>>18657255

Have tried a lot of nootripics and they are over rated. You get 90% more effect with normal adderall and good healthy food plus a gym membership.

As someone who has tried it all i can safely say nothing beats Adderall 5 days a week with 2 days off and a healthy lifestyle.

>>18656735
fuck those victims of neocapitalism. they will have their worthless career and some money but a damaged health beyond repair.

>>18657707
Fuck off poor fag. I slaved my way into a comfy position at a fortune 500 and if I do not see the same Adderall fueled drive I had out of you I will fire your ass.

Enjoy your government subsidized slaughter box when you finally realize the future does not want a bunch of useless eaters wasting resources.

>>18657787
Imagine going through life like this. Wow

>>18656735
>wagecucks

>>18656813
I used/abused xanax for 6 months and it’s the devil fren. Avoid benzos like the plague.

>>18656735
>drugging yourself up for pennies on the dollar wage slavery

>>18657787
kek nice bait
I dont need to wageslave, I have probably more passive incoming than you for basically doing nothing anymore. fortune 500 my ass

>>18657834
Imagine not going through life at all ( you )

>>18658070
Lol Fortune 500 hates you useless Jews and your Usery/Arbitrage We are all moving to the Blockchain in order to cut you out. Nothing will have value very soon except Actual goods and services.

>>18656735
Read the tortoise and the hare

>>18656735
Can you morons stop abusing my medications and giving it a bad name. Go abuse antidepressants or something instead.

>>18657672
Good lad. Been on test for years myself too.

I've been doing this for years. Massive productivity gains and multiple promotions. Went from smart but poorly motivated and anxious wage cuck to $145k on top of his game Chad.

I call them my witcher's potions.

Adderall + nicotine lozenges titrated through works days for focus and energy.

Racetams, DMEA, l-theanine for focus and mental agility.

Phenibut for my general anxiety in the morning but then beta blockers and a small dose of Klonopin for being a social rockstar in combination with Adderall refreshes.

I had to stop heavy lifting due to the stims, but I do pump work and use SARMs and test gel. This with my appetite suppression lets me keep good mass and 8% bodyfat year round.

Klonopin and diphenhydramine so I sleep 8 hours a night.

Then I finally paid for a stylist and good haircut and got small lifts despite being 5'11.

Went from wage cuck with depression who had fucked 4 girls to manager who has fucked 20+ in 3 years.

All my potions.

>>18657851
>Dude drugs hurt when you abuse them

>>18658265
Is this real?

>>18658385
yeah man. why bother to be shit and human, when you can be great and a demigod
grrrrrrr

I'm a doctor in a governmental clinic in Europe and can just laugh at you retards, honestly. I gave up long ago arguing with dimwits who think "its okay" "just microdose bro" "just two times a week" "just this, just that" "just this low testo dose", thinking you can somehow trick your body into having no toll and justifying everything with your halfassed /fit knowledge but no medical background. So I'll just throw around random insults. Everyone thinks he is the smarter one, he can handle it. It's the biggest fucking business to delude retards like you into thinking you "need" it. You need uppers to get awake and downers to sleep. That this is somehow natural. Instead of just fucking sleeping. Because economy bro.

You're not the exception. Everything takes a toll. Is it worth it? Maybe, if you strike gold as a business owner or in top position, but most likely no, especially for you assholes. In reality most of you dimwits are almost addicts in denial phase. If you have to take it to keep your job performance floating, then you are. Wagecucking for some asshole on drugs is so ultimately stupid, that I'm honestly not sure if 90% of this is just larp. Same with alcohol and caffeine by the way.

In reality, you're just sheep for a big business that is destroying bodies with actually unnecessary products. If your body is tired, it is tired for a reason. If you keep him awake artificially instead of sleeping with random shit, you just drain its max capacity over the years and will result in being a braindead zombie. There's nothing "badass" in being constantly sleep deprived and on meds. It's just what retards do. Also you don't really rest properly when sedated, because you lack most of your REM sleep. Same goes (again) for alcohol and caffeeine. It wrecks your brain on the long run.

>>18656811

Based perspective imagine ruining your only body for some other dickhead to get rich

Should I take Ritalin anally?

>>18658109
>Actual goods and services
A good chunk of the economy is useless middle men and companies selling nothing, are they "actual" services?

>>18658452
Thats some shit punctuation for a doctor

ive been trying to get more modafinil lately but my bank keeps blocking the purchase since its some shady india based website.

might just get back on EC stack though, hella cheaper

>>18658691
oh no.. my third language is not appealing enough for you shitface? how can I live with that..

>>18658452
Morning anon, I got roped into the sad brains department of big pharma and didn’t get myself a script for Adderall until I got the state testing done for the green light. As you’d expect, it pretty much yielded immediate results and increased dosage effectively ensured my degree as well as the completion of my thesis.

That said I’m aware that the negative side effects seep in long term and would appreciate it if you could share any of what may be left of your yuromed knowledge and sincerity regarding the importance of releasing myself from the bondage of Pfizer & friends. In regards to the SSRIs I’m moderately well informed regarding the repercussions from prolonged experience and associated reading/exposure. If you could give me an idea of the most important/worst long term damage you’ve tried to rationally get across to people hobbling along on their narco crutches that come from using
>Adderall
>Alcohol (shots of vodka)
>Caffeine pills
On a near daily basis. Coronachan has proved to me most viciously that I’d become savagely addicted to sugar and I’m currently in the process of weaning myself off of it since I can’t go cold turkey as I’d be too pissed off all day to manage household politics while locked up with the Boomers.

>>18658691
>Assuming it isn’t a larp plausible deniability would be that English isn’t his primary language.
I was in the process of writing this after my blog post above before confirmed via
>>18658762

Ritalin/Vyvanse/XR adderall are all absolute garbage compared to dextroamphetamine/mixed amphetamines. Its extremely easy to abuse because your body wants more and more to get the same feeling you got the first short while you were on them, but you need to find your perfect dosing regimen and never use it when tired. If you are tired, SLEEP. 6 hours of sleep and you will wake up still feeling the adderall once you find your perfect dosing routine. Always have a purpose for taking it. It is absolutely a performance enhancing drug and I have had multiple psychs who all found it to have a positive effect on me. Don't listen to the addicts who say it doesn't give you godlike focus, passion, euphoria if you have adhd, its a fucking central nervous system stimulant, you are going to be enhanced adhd or not. Vyvanse/ritalin have a terrible come down and don't feel as smooth as IR adderall. You have to make your psych feel special, never ask for an adderall script, tell them you had the opportunity to take it but your parents were against it -Adderall lover who has been prescribed it at age 18, am 28 now and still using it and not abusing it. It is a miracle drug if you take it as directed. My personal regimen is 15mg every few hours to keep a nice stable day. I have been prescribed every single add med. This incredibly long post was possible because I just woke up and took 15mg. There aren't many stories like mine because most people who take it need to abuse it to feel high when they can take a lower dose and still have passion/focus. I don't even need benzos and I refuse to take them because they mask side effects that are telling you that you're abusing it.

>>18658829
>If you could give me an idea of the most important/worst long term damage you’ve tried to rationally get across to people hobbling along on their narco crutches that come from using
Studies have shown that stimulants actually help heal the brains of people who have ADHD. This is why they are so effective for them. If you have a normal brain in this regard, then you're messing with your brain in a way that will have negative consequences. Basically if you have a normal brain you don't need these drugs. People who have a medical reason to take those meds need them because it helps them be normal.

>>18658452
I agree with everything you said except the alcohol and caffeine stuff. Granted drinking everyday is bad but I would argue caffeine is harmless even in massive quantities long term.

>>18656824
>>18656811

Based - and evn this setup isnt ideañ bc i still gotta respond to ims and calls the hours im available

>>18659307
>stimulants actually help heal the brains of people who have ADHD.
I am seriously doubtful of this. I will read the studies if you post them but would be surprised if they showed anything other than "people with brain chemistry like this change their brain chemistry to like this which is closer to the average brain chemistry after taking mind altering drugs." The idea of "normal" brain chemistry is retarded. Biochemically humans are incredibly diverse across perfectly healthy individuals, particularly in the brain department.

>>18659307
E X A C T L Y. When I was first prescribed adderall I felt normal for the first time in my life. It was a life changing experience, I am now able to be normal even if I don't take it because I developed healthy habits when using it which carry over even if you don't take it. For example, I couldn't even hold a conversation or talk to a woman without stuttering at 18. After adderall my mind and body just knew how to talk to women and be charismatic/able to socialize with absolutely anyone. The skills I learned while taking adderall are still a part of me when I dont take it. I learned how to be a social god while on adderall and now it comes naturally whether I take it or not.

>>18656735
Don't worry. They'll burn out and come down just as fast as they went up. Using stimulants is like borrowing time now for time later. You will feel bad for them when they've lost their sex drive, dick doesnt work, voice cracks, and have developed a dependency on alcohol. Days they dont have their stims they wont be able to crawl out of bed and get moving. Just say no.

>>18659307
I’m fairly confident that I actually have the ADHD that I was diagnosed with. My state has some of the strictest controls on amphetamines in Burgerstan and before I’d gone through the months long examination for the Adderall loicense I had been diagnosed by one of my former therapists. Unfortunately I didn’t listen because I was brought up to believe ADD was an over prescribed myth and had a chip on my shoulder from a previous cocktail so I rejected the opportunity to get a script a few years earlier in life.

>>18659387
Can confirm that Adderall is top tier and I certainly owe my recent accomplishments in life to it in large part. However I haven’t really come across any healing effects in regards to shit tier focus without it, just a comparable awareness of my proclivity for constant distractibility without it. The added awareness of these distractions helps to try and strengthen impulse control but the general turbo burn out later in life argument paraded throughout the thread and everywhere else seems to have legitimacy.

>>18659313
the thing is, it deprives you both of sleeping quality. especially caffeine can be tricky. if you use it too late, it disturbs your REM sleep because it has about 5 hours of half-life in your blood. it competitively inhibits your adenosine-receptors. so after 5 hours you still have 50% in your blood and after 10 hours you have 25% in your blood. so even if you sleep 8-9 hours, the quantity is sufficient, but the quality is not, therefore you're not properly rested.
studies show that long term effects over the years will cause decline in memory, focus and also your immune system is suffering, which lowers also natural defenses against cancer, for example.

alcohol will cause you to wake up frequently, even without realizing it, same result.

>>18658829
I can really only put it simple. If you have no medical condition, free yourself in the best way possible. There are countless studies that have very clear unfavorable indications in long term. While you're still young, your body compensates most stuff. Beginning 30-35 things slowly change and how well you are in shape, also mentally, is how well you took care of yourself over the years. I really am sincerely speaking to you, since you seem interested, but usually there is no point in arguing. People need to make their own experiences and have the fruits of their behavior ripened. Unfortunately it is often too late then. Every psychoactive stimulant restructures your neuronal network in the brain after a while and it gets harder and harder.

I'd recommend a self experiment, the on that freed me myself basically, convincing me it is really the better choice. Stay straight edge for a month and see the difference. No alcohol, no caffeine, no other drugs if you don't need to take them. After a while it uplifts your whole perception as a whole, you are permanently as awake and focused as if you would have a whole armada of various substances in your body. It just needs some disciplined, but it is worth it.

>>18657295

What tele doc? I tried K health but they don't do controlled substances

>>18658193

WHAT YOU CANT JUST GO AND USE MY HECKIN ADDERALINO TO GO AND SUPER BOOST YOUR PRODUCTIVITY AND FOCUS, THAT'S ABUSE

>>18656735
YES either this or you can just turn your self into Chad

kek imagine having a job

>>18656735
caffeine and nicotine are good enough if youre actually driven

>>18656735
You are a loser. Deal with it. If you taje this meds you are gonna die. Heart attack , esquizo, basically you are fucked.

>>18660399
gonna make emone thou

>>18656735
I've been taking 10mg adderall xr for 6 months now and I feel great, then again I take it with a stack of expensive supplements like methyl b-12 and concentrated fish oil to mitigate side effects. I can't see any great damage, my heart rate isn't dramatically higher or anything and I get a full nights sleep. idk maybe I'm in denial

>>18656757
99% of those are just pressed meth pills

>>18658265
Powerful

>>18659542
>You will feel bad for them when they've lost their sex drive, dick doesnt work, voice cracks, and have developed a dependency on alcohol
That's the thing. I've was living with untreated bipolar and I ended up getting some of those symptoms and worse anyway. I also was in denial that these disorders and meds were a meme and didn't want to be dependent on a drug. But I can attest first hand without them I'm nonfunctional and this shit is real. It's associated with negative outcomes, many end up taking their lives. Same with with ADHD as untreated it's associated with many negative outcomes.

>>18659912
It's a placebo. You don't need it unless you have a diagnosed medical disorder. It's like giving a person without a mood disorder lithium, it's just going to mess you kidneys up and not help you in the way it does with a legit med condition. Taking diabetic meds as a nondiabetic is another example. You don't need to medically manage your blood glucose levels to normal because they are normal. Taking them shifts you into a dangerous range.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3590067/

>>18660461

10 mg is not a lot. The retards who complain about being zombified have no self control and go ahead and dive into 40+ mg per day.

>>18660609
>It's a placebo. You don't need it unless you have a diagnosed medical disorder. It's like giving a person without a mood disorder lithium, it's just going to mess you kidneys up and not help you in the way it does with a legit med condition. Taking diabetic meds as a nondiabetic is another example. You don't need to medically manage your blood glucose levels to normal because they are normal. Taking them shifts you into a dangerous range.

It's amphetamine. Amphetamine is not a placebo. I've taken plenty of drugs and know what does and doesn't affect my core mental processing you retard.

>>18657492
base and redpill

you compete by still being alive in 5 years

>>18659856
>>18659856
>I really am sincerely speaking to you, since you seem interested
Much obliged anon, the vast majority of my vices and indulgences these days are used almost entirely as crutches to boost productivity and regulate my behavior to ensure that I don’t rustle too many jimmies in public. While I’ve gone over a month without alcohol at numerous points in my life I can’t say that I’ve noticed significant differences while abstaining, I have gone without Adderall for upwards of a week recently but it resulted in significantly hamstrung functioning. However, I cannot comment on a caffeine vacation as I’ve never attempted it.

I appreciate your remarks emphasizing the importance of eliminating caffeine and alcohol based on their effects on sleeping patterns but it’s difficult to prioritize giving them up on this basis as my sleep cycle is already total garbage on its own. Beyond that it’s especially difficult to consider giving up caffeine since I smoked cigarettes for similar reasons and the psychological benefits of quitting nicotine weren’t very apparent (physical benefits were extremely obvious) once I’d gotten over the addiction cravings.
None of this is to diminish your position for going clean, it’s merely a visualization of the immediate attempts made on my part to rationalize continued use of what wakes me up in the morning and keeps me at least mildly on track.

All of this is coming from my attempts to preserve and expand mana reserves. Diet, exercise, and succubui coomer tribute are all at the healthiest levels in my life, I’ll make a point to stop taking shots periodically to boost morale and try to cut off caffeine moving forward. Ik cold turkey is always optimal but I need to employ harm reduction at least as long as this happening drags on.

>>18657295
>>18658265
>>18658705

Who else superhuman enhanced Chad post-human here?

>You can't sleep!
Ambien and diph
>Y-you'll burn out
I take off days. Chadmanagers get 5 weeks vacation to burn plus 5 personal days. I detox and sleep a whole day or two just like a Witcher meditates to restore vigor.
>Your dick won't work
Test makes my dick work better than when I was 17
>Looking like a junkie
No, my stylist got me impeccably dressed and groomed. I am lean muscle and have the focus to keep a great skincare routine

You do realize this is how all those ageless, charismatic Hollywood people preform, right?

>>18659307
adhd is still not recognized as real psychiatric disorder in europe or japan. in japan they never ever treat it with amphetamines like in usa all those kids. in ny times or whatever was adhd quiz and guess what, over 50% of responders
"had adhd" according to that :D

adhd is just overactive, typically boy children, who are not too intelligent, that struggles with school and their parents want to enchance kids performance and calm down. however it has devastating effects on kids when they are put on amphetamines for life, growth stunts, BRAIN volume DECRESING, so they get dumber over time, and so on. In college aged kids adhd drugs Do not improve cognition studies show, placebo effect very strong like with anti depressants

>>18656735
try nootropics
you'll spend a lot of money and time trying to figure out what works for you but once you have a stack that works you'll get 90% the performance of Ritalin with none of the long term downsides

>>18660647
Unless you have a valid medical diagnosis, that's just not what the research shows:

>However, the effect of dextroamphetamine on performance and on signal change varied across individuals. Dextroamphetamine improved performance only in those subjects who had relatively low working-memory capacity at baseline, whereas in the subjects who had high working-memory capacity at baseline, it worsened performance.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10944409

Which makes sense because if you have a normal functioning brain you don't want to throw it out of balance just like you wouldn't with an antihypertensive on bp, diabetic medication for bg, or thyroid meds on thyroid hormone levels. The physiological effects are well established but weak support at best for neurocognitive performance. Yet all you see in the media and even on wikipedia are the supposed congitive effects being firmly pushed. And it's irresponsible because it is doing a lot of damage to the unsuspecting people who needlessly abuse it.

>News media articles mentioned the possible benefits of using drugs for neuroenhancement more than the potential risks/side effects, and the main source for media claims that neuroenhancement is common and increasingly widespread has been reports from the academic literature that provide weak support for this claim. We urge journalists and researchers to be cautious in their portrayal of the non-medical use of drugs for neuroenhancement.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3227668/

>>18661174

Well, send the research my regards. I'll continue to enjoy the very tangible benefits while they still write about how that isn't possible.

>>18656735
Thank you all for contributing.
This makes me feel soo good about my neet life.
Imagine putting toxins in your body just to get a $150k slave wage position. Popping pills for some senior project manager position or whatever that pay grade is looks incredibly pathetic.

>>18661209
this. I cant stand people that try to prove that X is impossible even though there are actual people out there that are literally doing what is claimed to be impossible. what makes people think this way?

>>18657088
You know things in your bloodstream still go through your liver right

>>18661112
Which is a shame because the evidence is robust for the disorder. It's highly linked to heritability and genetics. Individuals with ADHD are highly associated with other comorbidities and tend to have poorer outcomes compared to their peers.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11818466

>>18661156
>you'll get 90% the performance of Ritalin
That's not what the research shows:

>Cognitive improvement among sleep-deprived young adults was not observed following methylphenidate administration. Benefits perceived by abusers may relate to increased confidence and sense of well-being, as well as to sympathetic nervous system stimulation. Moreover, methylphenidate administration results in physiologic effects that could be harmful to certain individuals.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15222409

Not to say there aren't placebo effects. The increased levels of arousal and feelings of euphoria probably help with task specific confidence that users cite.

>>18661590

Arrogant titleism. Being a "psychological researcher" alone doesn't make you the determinant of what is going on in other people's minds. Brains are the most complicated thing we could possibly study by definition. I'm not going to take lessons from people who think there are 1 million genders because the modern dogma dictates it.

>>18660978
What a weird larp

>>18656735
>I'm gonna take drugs so I can make more money for my boss!
How do I short the human condition?

sad stuff in this thread, society is really not setup for the success of low iq/less intelligent people.

>>18661590
>>18661627
Lmao some of these are medical journals. They aren't pulling this shit out of nowhere like you see bro scientists doing "Dude trust me" The studies have to be rigorously peer reviewed and have to have statistically significant differences to show causal findings. Which is why novel drugs need to undergo years of research to show thag they do indeed have the desired effects before being approved by the FDA.

>>18660580
bitch do you want to be successful or not

>>18660978
how's your skincare routine?

>>18660580
> meth
Lmao no. You won't work on meth, it's far too euphoric. You're thinking of amphetamine.

>>18661926

Adderall is expensive. People aren't paying $200 a month for a fucking placebo, stop telling others how something makes them feel. Researchers can argue about the degree of which it does so all they want, the fact that this works isn't a matter of debate.

>>18656735
Just take adderall sparingly. It's such a lifewinner. Maybe once a month I'll have a huge amount of work where we're expected to sleep 2-3 hours twice a week and keep going. Amphetamine makes it completely doable. You work late, sleep an hour, get up feeling shit, eat some food and a pile of amphetamine and you're ready to go again.

>>18656868
Ritalin is not amphetamine you moron lmao, nor is amphetamine particularly neurotoxic. People confuse it for meth all the time but do you drink methanol on Friday night?

Taken infrequently amphetamine is an easy deal. Just don't get too used to it.

>>18657295
>>18656735
Goodest goy! Just remember this is your only life to live, glad to see you giving it all for a company.

>>18658265
Lifting heavy is a good counterbalance to amphetamine though. It nukes your appetite so if you want to lift it necessitates several days off at a time. Plus test and amphetamine is a recipe for hypertension.

Everything in moderation.

>>18657050
is the burnout reversible? i dont think it is

>>18662234
Amphetamine isn't that terrible for you however you're asking for trouble taking it all the time without subtantial breaks.

I think burnout is probably more of a function of it becoming someone's new normal so life off it feels exhausting and miserable. Plus like test people do it in their twenties and then as they stop at 30 wonder why they feel so much worse than they did naturally at 20. The answer is you're getting older.

Do a well controlled test cycle here and there, don't cruise. Use amphetamine now and then at particularly busy times, don't use it to jerk off for 12 hours on a Sunday.

>>18662077
That's the thing though you can collect data about the subjective experiences of the test subjects then match it to some correlate of performance or whatever. That one study fed two test groups sugar pills. They told one it was a sugar pill or something and they told they other group it was methylphenidate. The group that thought they took the MPH thought they were more stimulated although there was no performance difference from the control group lol. Just even thinking you are taking that stimulant seems to make you think you are more aroused or whatever lol.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21875224

>>18662421
>Plus like test people do it in their twenties and then as they stop at 30 wonder why they feel so much worse than they did naturally at 20. The answer is you're getting older.
You sure we didn't just damage our bodies from the drug? Like someone who started at 30 may not feel that horrible from it.

>>18658265
>5'11"
There it is.

>>18662077
>Adderall is expensive. People aren't paying $200 a month for a fucking placebo
That's the thing though it's an expensive placebo. Drug companies are making BANK off you idiots lol. Here's another study for you to read.

>Results revealed that Adderall had minimal, but mixed, effects on cognitive processes relevant to neurocognitive enhancement (small effects), and substantial effects on autonomic responses, subjective drug experiences, and positive states of activated emotion (large effects). Overall, the present findings indicate dissociation between the effects of Adderall on activation and neurocognition, and more importantly, contrary to common belief, Adderall had little impact on neurocognitive performance in healthy college students.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29954141/

This isn't a drug for healthy people and you're just wasting your time, money, and most importantly long-term health.

>>18658265
>5'11
I commend you for not killing yourself.

>>18656813
I can't even get beta blockers for my high blood pressure, why the fuck do I even pay for health insurance?

>>18656786
Dear anon, could you elaborate more about building systems?

>>18658452
I always take sleeping pills to go to sleep and I've slept better than ever as opposed to letting my autism keep me awake.

>>18662455
Well depends how you took it. You can burn yourself out on caffeine if you take arrhythmia inducing doses daily.

I take amphetamine about twice a month on average. Sometimes none, sometimes 3x a week sort thing. I've found if anything i have way more daily energy and motivation than i did when i was early twenties and didn't take any. A depressive low energy funk is more mind sapping that any drug you can think of.

Hard to objectively gauge without fMRIs but in general it strikes me that the problem is taking these things too consistently and not factoring in aging.

>>18660580
What do you think adderall is? Fairy dust?

>>18656811
came here to post this
is this a fucking b8 thread i cant tell anymore
i used amphetamines in the past to be more successful in my career
it takes away just as much it gives. Its like a loan but with your productivity and health.

>>18662882
It's amphetamine not meth. People have such a brainlet understanding of chemistry when they get the confused.

THIS, we have a lab girl at my work who has "narcolepsy" even though I have never seen her even look remotely sleepy. She takes Modafinil and Adderall. She can come in late and claim it was because of her narcolepsy, and then she holes up in the lab and does 200% more work than everyone elsebwhile tweaking.

>>18658171
Underrated post

Funny that adderal just boosts confidence, which makes you think you're performing on a higher level but really you're high and think everything is awesome.

>>18661926
research might show that most people dont derive actual benefit from it but that doesnt change the fact that *some* or even many people actually do. you underestimate how many valid data points fall through the cracks of studies with insufficiently defined or arbitrary parameters. just LOL at taking "studies" at 100% face value

If you actually have ADHD these drugs won't turn you into a laser focused machine, unfortunately.

t. ADHD

>>18660580
And?

>>18660580
no dude...you can easily buy generic versions of these drugs without prescription from legit online pajeet pharmacies.

>>18664570
Modafinil doesn't work as well as amphetamines

>>18664570
I've been trying to get pregabalin from pajeet pharmacies for months now but it doesn't work out for me.

>>18656735
adderall is legit but the temporary shrinkage sucks, legit baby dick tier when im stimming

>>18656735
Why do you have to compare?

I turn in my work like hours before the deadline. My workload has been the same for years, they never give me more.
While my workmate who always finishes ahead of schedule gets everything dumped on him. Before the lockdown, I leave for home at 5pm everyday, on the dot. I heard he goes home as late as 9-11pm. And he's usually at the office before me.

And I've automated most of my job, so I shitpost and watch anime on my phone all day.
As far as I can tell, we get paid the same.

I've made friends with the project manager and team leader, and it seems I'm actually being considered for a promotion, whilst this guy, the TL and PM take credit to the higher ups for all his accomplishments.

>>18656824
>>18656811
Basically, these guys are pretty based imo

>>18656735
Life is always going to be a trade off between being a health and longevity Toyota Prius boring guy or a Top Fuel Dragster, burn yourself out quick performance Chad.

>not being diagnosed with narcolepsy
>not having your pick of the fine offerings that Big Pharma has to offer

There's no cure for narcolepsy and doctors pretty much shrug and go, "well you're fucked, what can I do for you?" Last few doctors I've been to have straight up just asked me what I need. With zero hesitation they supply me with monthly Vyvanse, IR dexamp, and GHB for sleep.

Good luck with faking ADHD as a 20-something to get a babbys first stimulant script and constantly being scrutinized by your doctor, the government, pharmacies, and insurance companies.

>Ordered some Test E online
>They're about to get here tomorrow.
>About to start pinning 400mg a week.

Hoping the mental benefits (increased aggression / motivation / energy) will help me make some money.

>>18660978

Anon, I..

>>18662762
>>18662762
i dont want to feel old. i don't feel or look that much different at 30 than 20, is it really my telomeres getting smaller why i cant binge dextroamphetamine anymore?

>>18656824
I do no work and get paid for 24. Why work if charities exist?

>>18664969
>>Good luck with faking ADHD as a 20-something to get a babbys first stimulant script and constantly being scrutinized by your doctor, the government, pharmacies, and insurance companies.
i was diagnosed as a kid, and i dont think pharmacies and govt and insurance companies are scrutinizing you

>>18664969
There's no way you're getting GHB for sleep from your doc lmao. Plus I've tried it and i know it's meant to make you tired but it either makes me want to jerk off and shitpost or if i take more to feel tired i end up feeling sick as hell.

>>18665488
You shouldn't go crazy on anything. In my view most of the time you should be completely sober, including caffeine. You can still take amphetamine post 30, literally every politician and businessman does. However keep it once a week (equivalent) at most.

>>18656811
Based

>>18656735
Agreed 100%. I need to find a way to get stimulants or I'm never going to make it.

It's not about "working harder for Mr. Shekelburg." It's about feeling awesome constantly at work for doing trivial bullshit, constantly being on top of your game, and having more energy than the competition. Losers wouldn't get it, but winners are constantly looking for an edge. Coffee just isn't cutting it for me anymore.

>>18665584
>most of the time you should be completely sober
based
drugs are awesome when you're a smart user

>>18662171
Christ, look at these fucking faggots posting Twitter Rebbit memes in the thread. These are the people crying about muh jews and muh wageslaving.

>>18656735
I took an ephedrine-caffeine stack for a while. Up to 3 times a day. Is this outdated boomer tech or are you zoomy adderrall addicts just retarded and can't buy a month's supply for 20 bucks otc?

>>18665719
I can't help but wonder if coffee is bad for you

>>18656868
T. Typical uni student with no personality

>>18665642
this

>>18661596
It goes into bloodstream before liver retard

>>18661846
Makes me wonder how many people are on fucking drugs. I fucking knew I’ve always been right about everything. From liberals to single mums to drug addicts people really are just too fucking stupid to be successful aren’t they. I’ve felt outcasted most my life but I honestly think I’m just the only one who’s not a fucking retard

>>18664583
> Modafinil doesn't work as well as amphetamines

Yes, however it works over much longer periods of time. Amphetamines build tolerance like crazy and trying to cut back gives you withdrawal.
Modafinil doesn't have any of these problems if you stick to a low dose and take the weekends off. I've been taking it for 7+ years now and never had to go above 100mg. Most days I stick to 50mg moda + copious coffee.
I also love adrafinil, but it makes me a bit more jittery. I save it for days where I need to be awake 24h in a row.

>>18665739
Only pills, coffee tastes like shit and it's not a consistent/measurable intake. EC+ fish oil and 5htp every otherish day to calm down. I guess this is now outdated 6 years later.

>>18664969
>Good luck with faking ADHD as a 20-something to get a babbys first stimulant script and constantly being scrutinized by your doctor, the government, pharmacies, and insurance companies.
It wouldn't be that way if these tards stopped abusing our meds because of hype from placebo effects and giving it a bad name. But now the people who actually need it are screwed over.

>>18656735
Fuck is that their trick? I just thought my asshole co-workers were born as laser focused yet boring people.

I have been chugging coffee and energy drinks and i chew nicotine gum throughout my work day but i always come up second when compared to my co-workers.

>>18665545
I take 7 grams a night. It's prescribed under the trade name Xyrem. People adjust to it a little hard, but if you take it regularly it's the best sleep you've ever had. It has such a short half life that you don't get physically addicted or form a significant tolerance. Basically all the pros of alcohol with none of the cons, it's great.

Does make you want to fuck though. Best sex you'll ever have too.

>>18665518
If you got your diagnosis as a kid then you're golden. Too many friends try to get it when they're in college and it can be a crap-shoot trying to find a doc that will write it.

>>18665954
Yeah, I live in a meth-abusing area and my doc has to write my diagnosis on the script so that the pharmacies will even fill it. We used to sell this shit OTC to housewives in the 50s. It boosts economic productivity. The next stimulus check should really just be a 200 count bottle of amphetamines mailed to your door.

>>18658452
Go away incel, if you wanna live like shit go ahead just don't drag us to your shithole
>>18658691
He is not a doctor, he is a LARPER

>>18658265
kek this is why you mutts all die at 60 yo

>>18658265
>20+ in 3 years.
Jesus, is this a troll pretending to be pathetic?

>>18665954
>placebo effects
eh, drugs like aderol, ritalin, concerta, etc definitely aren't placebo

>>18656735
>>18665985
where the fuck do you people work it sounds awful. You better be getting paid well to put up with that shit environment.

>>18666930
>>20+ in 3 years.
>Jesus, is this a troll pretending to be pathetic?

lmao. I don't know, but for some people 20+ in three years is putting up big numbers. To each their own.

>>18656735
Just buy amphetamine. Works better anyway.

>>18666960
In the way they are abused, yes they are.

>>18665642
>winning
>for mr shekelstein

it really is all about that. Unless you're working for yourself, you're just burning your candle at both ends to line another guy's pockets. Cucked as fuck.

Anyone try strattera (atomoxetine)? It's a non-stimulating ADHD medication, so I'd think it would be more sustainable, although probably not as effective.