/biz/ - Business & Finance

Priced in

>>18639944
>only 24 million people unemployed
>stocks go up
Capitalism baby.

priced in bullish stonks only go up unlimited money open the economy calls in place

>>18639961

Automatisation, robots don't get sick; rich get richer and poor fags stay poor fags. The never ending cycle. God bless capitalism.

>>18640411
this

>>18639944
Fuck off. The bobos aren't shorting the stocks anymore, they're shorting the whole (((global))) economy.

>>18639944
Just like any random casino in your state is not a direct measure of your state's economy, the stock market is not a direct measure of the economy for the country.

How many times are we going to have this thread?

>>18640565
>the price of your biggest companies is not your economy

>>18639944
>fake and gay economy goes out in a glory of being fake and gay

>>18640748
Stock price is only tangentially related to earnings, yes.

Just like how oil is worth $20 until futures contracts start to expire. Nothing is real

>>18639944
It doesn't matter if the plebs are fucked. The rich are going to see record profits from all this.

>>18640411
This. Basically those 24 million people were useless deadweight

>>18639944
>Purchasing Managers' Index
>Economy gut wrenchingly bad

>/biz/
>Priced in
>Bullish

This contrarian shitposting is getting tiresome

>i dont understand
>must be fake
>the problem is not me
>its everyone else

found the kids

We are now at 20% unemployment. That's going to be the official number but it's probably much worse

>>18639959
Explain something to me, if all this news is “priced in” why does the price go up? Shouldn’t the price be efficient by now?

>>18641552
I say a third of americans will be on the streets by october.

mfw food lines in the 20th century

>>18641552
Yeah there are several million gig/contract workers who won't be counted

>>18639944
>unlimited trillions on the sidelines
gains forever

>>18640565
what a horrible analogy

>>18639944
CNN will do anything to crash the market

>>18641596
>Based Boomer poster thinks it's still the 1900s

>>18639944
>fed printers on turbo
>all going to the richest corporations
>"why are corporations becoming more valuable?!?"
This is the government admitting they're willing to let 100million Americans starve in favor of their investments.

>>18641669
CNNs "influence" over future stock market prices in miniscule at best.

>>18641715
Zoomers be like
>This time is different

Ooof

>>18641827
>This is the government admitting they're willing to let 100million Americans starve in favor of their investments.
Suggesting a different vantage point:
>people (Americans for example) and "investments", the stock market have ZERO relation to eachother anymore (if they ever had no one will ever truly be able to determine)
>so anyone with the means to "invest" couldn't give a shit about that happens to people
also
>people, esp old ones dying off en masse will result in their stock holdings (through various retirement plans etc.) to be thrown into the market and being bought up by FED and their institutions with currency created ex nihilo
wew
fuck this gay earth
(not the planets fault, btw.)

>>18641596
>>18641715
If learned helplessness is a true concept and if it has been applied successfully as the "conspiritards" believe then next to everybody will simply lay down to starve without any pushback (they literally wouldn't know who to attack as per training)
>no riots
>no pushback
>unnoticed and silent mass starvation
>laughing in Deagel intensifies to eardrum shattering noise levels

We've hit peak brrrrrrrand peak delusion.

>>18642124
I mean, even if people did rise up, a solid 20-30% would be Trumptards fighting for the rich to keep all their billions because the God Emperor said he'd stop migration, even though he hasn't, but he triggers SJWs, so he must be effective.

>>18639944
the market is priced based on risk tolerance and perceptions about the future. it sold to a level that represented the sum of all guesses about how things would be. and then did the same when it pumped. it's in fact always doing this. what is so hard for commies to understand? do they think that the news is supposed to announce either "good" or "bad" and then they get to buy or sell when they see it before the scheduled gains or losses? excuse me, but, get good.

>>18639944
Coming depression already priced in retard

>>18642330
>the market is priced based on risk tolerance and perceptions about the future
wrong, didn't read the rest.
There is no price on the market.
It is not something you can buy.
All the prices you see are the prices of the last trade and aren't indicative of the prices of future transactions. Every price is past term.
What the reasons for each and every transaction in the past were is wholly irrelevant to future transaction.
Also the motivations behind transaction can not be determined as they are unknown.
All you see is tmes & sales, everything else is guess work.

>>18642730
>There is no price on the market.
>It is not something you can buy.
index etfs are what people talk about when they say "the market did x". those etfs do have prices, as represented by the lowest offer to sell, which can be acted upon by a buyer. those index etfs are made of baskets of securities and have an intrinsic value which is the highest bid of each security at any given time. computers are keeping track of all this and buy or sell the etf when its price is different from the constituent securities.

but you are right that what I said isn't completely accurate, the corrected version would be: "the market is priced based on risk tolerance and perceptions about the future, subject to the liquidity environment at a given moment in time"

>>18639944
priced in

>>18639944
>he doesn’t know
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7nFbKzt-uwE

>>18640411
>>18640444
>>18641489
>They actually think they will be spared by the elite instead of gutted and thrown in the dumpster along with the rest of them

If ya'll think that all it takes to make everything better is a bunch of robots working during the great american collapse, youre:
1. Retarded
2. In for a rude awakening

>>18642327
Massive seethe lmao

>>18640411

Actually automation will destroy capitalism--- it's the contradiction inherent to the system. You can exploit a laborer by making them produce more in value than you're paying them. However, you can't exploit a machine (extract surplus value). That is, you pay for all the hours it runs. With a robot you are just converting raw materials and depreciating tools into products, and there's nowhere to make a profit except by charging a premium to the consumer for those products. In any market that advantage is quickly removed as competitors undercut your price until it's being sold at break even.

Automation produces cheaper goods which is a benefit passed on to the consumer. Quality and cost of life goes down, and in an ideal world that means workers have to labor fewer and fewer hours in the day to make ends meet. Meanwhile the margins of profit for the capitalist become slimmer and slimmer the more they automate and remove exploitable laborers from the equation.

>>18641489
Whats the point of an automated industry if no one will have money to buy the things that are made, and no one is getting income from these industries to use.

A production robot in an incomeless jobless economy is just a really neat paperweight

>>18640748
those "biggest companies" are global conglomerates with billions in cash reserve to weather the storm. notice even apple, costco and amazon are not down much and those 3 get most if not all their product from china. i would go even so far as to say these companies had fore knowledge and if they are down a little it's not going to be by much.

amazon is seen as the #1 strongest company in the world right now and makes up a large % of stock market indexes. you can't really get much info about stocks from looking at indexes since amazon is so fucking strong.

>>18642000
I think boomers are going to be alive for much longer than anyone wants them to be because they've gotten to live such incredibly easy and fun lives, they'll hold those stocks as their children starve.

PMchad here. we are seeing disconnects between markets and reality also. spot price of gold is way under how much you have to actually pay to buy physical gold...if you can find it at all.

welcome to clown reality. nothing makes sense, everything is fucked.

>>18644186
I worry that our leaders will stop America from automating so they can continue extracting profit until we're all dead from stress and malnourishment.

>>18641552
It's going to be far worse than that. Right now there are probably another 30% of people who still have their job "on paper" but will either be let go or their employers get wiped out completely. It's just that nobody realizes it just yet because the world is on pause while they're glued to their talmudvisions, completely wrapped up in coronavirus mass-hysteria.

>>18642124
You're right that there will be riots and pushback. This is part of the reason why governments are doubling down on the coronavirus panic. They already made the mistake of shutting down the economy for an extended period, and this is something that cannot be undone. Best case scenario for The Powers That Be is to play up the panic and make everyone believe that the shutdowns were absolutely 100% necessary or else sixty gorillion would have died. They don't want people to realize their jobs were completely wiped out over nothing.

>>18639944
>printing usd
>usd price of stocks go up
suprisedpikachu.png

>>18644263
This was one of the central pillars of Andrew Yang's candidacy.