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Well just look at Denmark's figures and ask yourself which country you would rather be in.

>>18598780
I would rather be in a country that allowed me to take my own responsibility.
Have you considered how many people are going to go into poverty in the coming depression? How's that for figures?

Sweden is the only country that isn't losing its absolute mind over a virus that has, as of yet, killed less people than a bad seasonal flu!
Look it up yourself, UK gov figures go up to 28k death per year. That's more than current Corona figures, and UK is among the highest "affected" countries.

Sweden has 1700 deaths!

This is not some fringe conspiracy theory, this is plain common sense. Open up the fucking economy!

>>18598895
fuck the economy and fuck you STAY HOME

>>18598687
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dB-H2viCYc

>>18598687
>refugees dying.
yep,im thinking based.

>>18598921
the rational response of the sheep, everyone
Bleat some more. We'll see how much you bleat when the breadlines are here.

Best way to defend liberties isnt to defend them, its to kill niggers like
>>18598921
Who cause the loss of them in the first place.

>>18598946
>the rational response of the sheep, everyone
Bleat some more. We'll see how much you bleat when the breadlines are here.

>>18598946
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>>18598941

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>>18598687
Very ironically. Sweden. Doing the right thing.
But yeah. Don't enforce any measures. Stupid shit skins, brainwashed zoomers and boomers will die off.
Smart, healthy and disciplined people will live through.
Shedding the dead wood.

>>18598895
> oh shit niggers will starve. Jews will turn 10%less profits. Better kill my self with virus to keep the GDP afloat

>>18598687
Yes swedes are based

Our own government is calling it a hoax and apparently they already vaccinated the white house staff before a vaccine was created.

Check the leak below
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=60&v=xVTExmQJedk&feature=emb_logo

>>18598687
I'm swedish and I even work in healthcare. I have less business right now due to virus angst, but other then that there isn't a huge difference. Even major urban areas do not have huge crowds in Sweden, so even with some extra distancing it's the same as usual. Major events have of course been canceled here as well.

Ask me anything I guess.

>>18598687
I'm Swedish and I'm still going to the gym.

>>18598921
this. fucking neckbeards on here need to learn critical thought instead of having their faux anger to dictate everything. Just because you can't get laid and are a racist piece of shit doesn't mean you're making the right decision.

>>18599137
You're a fucking retard. Watch this >>18598941

We are entering a fucking depression worse than 1929 and you retards keep going on about a flu with a 0.1% death rate.

>>18599186
>I'm swedish and I even work in healthcare. I have less business
Everything you need to know right there

>>18598895

You are, it seems, a typical liberal arts "educated" useless scum, who cannot even make a simple realistic mathematical model, and lives all your pathetic useless life in the higher realm of abstract bullshit and memes of, what you call pure intellect.

The reason you have just about 2000 thousand death is just because the infection spread is nowhere near its peak.

Just wait for a couple of elderly homes to be entirely wiped out.

Sweden has very sparse population, except for Stockholm and South cities, of course. That is precisely why contagion is slow compared to shitholes like NY. But you will catch up, do not worry.

Your seemingly smart and advanced measures are in fact completely disconnected form reality of airborne shit which exploits very common cell receptor.

You just have no fucking idea, only memes.

>this. fucking neckbeards on here need to learn critical thought instead of having their faux anger to dictate everything. Just because you can't get laid and are a racist piece of shit doesn't mean you're making the right decision.

>>18599186
Är det sant att de flesta som dör är blattar?

>>18599219
>need to learn critical thought instead of having their faux anger to dictate everything
Look back at the conversation, buddy. I was the one citing numbers, he was typing caps and saying fuck the economy.
Delusion.

>>18598895

Jesus christ you are a brainlet of the highest order.

Figures are as low as they are BECAUSE of strict measures, and relatively speaking, they're extremely high considering how much social contact has been reduced. Just imagine if there were no social distancing measures at all.

It's like having a death-causing disease, a doctor giving you medication to cure it, and then claiming the doctor was wrong because you didn't die. How can you be so brainlet not to see this?

As for Sweden itself, they haven't been ordered to follow social distancing, but they've been advised and they're following that advice quite strictly. The outcome is similar, and their economy will still take a battering like most others. It's far from business as usual over there.

But time will tell, and their strategy could backfire spectacularly if cases keep rising to the point where they have to eventually resort to a lockdown while every other country got ahead of the curve and flattened their cases weeks or months previously. Now is not the time to say whether one strategy works or not. It's 6+ months where the picture will become clear.

>>18599228
What can I say, people reschedule. They will need to get the procedures done eventually, it's not a huge deal.

>>18599246
Ja

>>18599265

It's projection, anon. Liberals project, everything. Critical thought, by definition, is having the ability to challenge platitudes or dogma with your own reasoning. Regurgitating what your government tells you to do (a government that failed to foresee this threat as it spread in China and globally, mind you) is, conversely, the furthest thing from critical thought possible. It's right there, in the word: critical.

>>18598895
This! I can't believe the media is PRAISING so called MEDICAL EXPRETS who stand opposed to our protests! Do they think they're in Chinaman Square or something?

Perhaps if they're so interested in what "Communism" offers they should go to VUVUZELA!

>>18599186
can you timestamp blurred health badges for cred?

who are the ones the get sick just from eyeballing it?

>>18599236
nice ad hominems, none of them true btw

Sparse population? Stockholm is busy enough. My brother currently lives in Sweden and sends pics of people dining at crowded restaurants. Nature has articles with Sweden's state epidemiologist saying why it's fine. So much for "just memes"

>>18599159
>they already vaccinated the white house staff before a vaccine was created.

HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE

>>18599228
>you retards keep going on about a flu with a 0.1% death rate.
you do realize its a novel virus? learn what a novel virus is. learn that covid 19 has different strains and top doctors don't know how some people young and old are going to react if they get infected..no one is immune from it and no one knows the long term effects.

>>18599236
>Just wait for a couple of elderly homes to be entirely wiped out.
y-yeah! that'll be horrible for people who actually still have ability to enjoy the world and add value to it!

Everyone who is pro mandatory quarantine needs to eat a bullet. Not joking. Kill yourself if you are pro quarantine, you are a worthless, pathetic subhuman.

>>18599329
>so called MEDICAL EXPRETS who stand opposed to our protests!

>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T MAKE ME STAY HOME I HAVE WORK TO DO I NEED TO MAKE MY BOSS RICHER NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Wagies are pathetic

>>18599348
Sickly, elderly individuals. And somalis.

>>18599246
>>18599299
NOOOOOOOOO NOT THE BLOTTERINOS

>>18599386
I say let people be responsible for their own actions. If you want to go to the gym go ahead, if you don't want to wear a mask then don't, but understand this virus might fuck your whole shit up. Whether it's a small death rate or not I certainly don't want to get sick nor get others sick.

>>18599397
Now I actually think Sweden is fucked. Turns out it's AIDS with an incubation period of fifty days.

>>18599246
Det är Gustav Vasa uppe i himmelen som skickade denna frälsning till oss

>>18599236
>>18599280
kys david

>>18599443
>I certainly don't want to get sick nor get others sick.
So you're going to stay indoors for a year until they have a vaccine?

>>18598687
Old swedes has to die so New swedes can inherit the Sweden.

>>18599425
Blatte means dark-haired/dark-skinned person, i.e. arabs, somalis, etc.

>>18598687
>Are they unironically doing the right thing?
It all depends on things we don’t yet know. How virulent and deadly is Covid actually. A lot of the early models have been walked back an order of magnitude. Nobody actually knows if the amount of asymptomatic or antibody carrying people is huge or if it entirely eclipses those sickened.

Sweden does the right thing if the majority never get symptoms. We will not have a vaccine for a year or more, if ever. We can’t shut down society for that long, we’ll ruin the economy in a Mad Max sense.
So, everyone will open back up. If you were diligent and got praised by braindead lefty media like South Korea you might have 90% of your population entire unaffected. Which means as soon as you open up the virus spreads like wildfire.
If you kept open and 50-75% of the population got exposed then there are barely any people left to become sick which - just like a firewall - slows the spread even more.

But again those X unknowns in the equation remain unknown. We’re getting to a point where the ‘cure’ is going to be worse than the death toll of doing nothing. Again the bleeding hearts claim any cost is worth saving a life. Because they’re idiots who can’t comprehend we’re just killing people later from economic effects. Remember those poor people? If you kill the economy they’re the first to go. From entirely preventable deaths.
Don’t worry though the same chucklefucks who champion indefinite shutdowns at any cost will be there to whine about the deaths from despair and poverty as they will cry about cutbacks on foreign aid and the like. Never once seeing any connection. Hell, those cunts are even defending China just because Blumpf wants to point out China is the origin and original fuckup. Which in lib world means they dindu nuffin and are blameless.

>>18598687
its literally just the flu you tard
sweden has all female leadershipe they were too retarded to do anything
ironically doing nothing was the best course of action in this scenario
just another day in clown world

>>18598921
>STAY HOME

>>18598895
It went from no community spread in the US to a full year of flu deaths in 5 weeks despite a full lock down and it not having hit anywhere near the 40-70% infection rate it's R0 would predict in a no shut down situation.

Flu comparisons are increasingly retarded. It appears to have a 1% of so fatality rate in functioning modern health systems, which jumps to 2.5-4.5% when the healthcare system collapses.

Flu averaged 94 deaths a day last season, this is killing 2,000+ a day despite a full shutdown.

The economy wouldn't remain open anyhow if we had 1.5-4 million deaths over 14 months.
No one is going to theaters when you devolve into an Ecuador level shit show of copses all over the streets and mass graves in your parks.

>>18599425
Blot is the old pagan sacrifice to the gods. Blatteblot would be a ritual hanging of immigrants to appease Oden.

>>18599508
Of course not i step out for a run or walk, but what else am i suppose to do everything is closed where im at. It sucks, but this is what were dealing with now also im in NYC.

>>18599647
shareblue just go

>>18599280
ok man, but really, shutting down economies because nursing homes get taken out? I mean Im not trying to sound sadistic but shutting down the economy has a massive effect on the lives of younger people too, and you have to seriously question if it's worth negatively affecting them because very old and unhealthy people will die off a bit sooner rather than later.

The policy should be that if you're 70 and above, take precautions, to extreme measures if need be. Nursing homes and such would have to adapt and be much more stringent in terms of cleanliness. But telling young and healthy 20 year olds to basically stop working and not even go outside and hang out with friends? Give me a fucking break.

>>18599647
>and it not having hit anywhere near the 40-70% infection rate
We don’t know the infection rate you retard. It’s all models and the models conflict. You have sample case studies that disagree.

>>18599647
>It appears to have a 1% of so fatality rate in functioning modern health systems
Again according to the model spread that’s now in the upper bound and it can be as low as 0.1%.
Mind you either way it’s WAY off the original estimates that prompted this shutdown to begin with.

>>18599647
>Flu averaged 94 deaths a day last season, this is killing 2,000+ a day despite a full shutdown.
And if the peak of the death toll is 2-3 times the yearly flu deaths the overreaction will have killed more people than doing nothing at all.

Why can’t you doomsayers parse that part of the equation?

>>18599492
Baserat och rödpillat.

>>18598895
YAASSS QUEEN! This is what I’ve been saying. America is about freedom! We have the right to die god damn it!

>>18599647

This. The comparisons with flu are so retarded it sends shivers down my spine that these brainlets have the right to vote.

For a fair comparison with flu, do absolutely nothing for a year. No lockdown, no social distancing. Nothing. Based on lockdown-suppressed figures, that would most probably result in a few million deaths, particularly when the healthcare system becomes overwhelmed and there's one ventilator for every thousand seriously ill people.

Interesting comparison is finland vs sweden. Population density, health care, economy, culture is relatively similar (not really, but comparing to rest of Europe).

Finland imposed much stricter restrictions banning restaurants and closing schools.

Finland has 4,014 cases, 141 deaths
Sweden has 15,322 cases, 1765 deaths

But Finland has tested 50% more than Sweden, about as many per capita as the US. Also it's worth to note that the amount of tests available is very limited and you don't get a test unless you have severe symtoms. So the deaths are a much better indication of true growth. So about 12x more cases in Sweden.

While the numbers don't look bad, there is a massive difference: Sweden is growing, Finland is not.

>>18599919

>America is about freedom! We have the right to die god damn it!

Yes. Yes we do, anon.

>>18600089

Finland's been kicking Sweden's ass in a lot of metrics recently. And I don't think they have the high density slumtowns modern Sweden does.

>>18600152
>Finland
these people practice social distancing by culture.

>>18599647
>The economy wouldn't remain open anyhow if we had 1.5-4 million deaths over 14 months.

You're acting like it's either full shut down or do nothing. Wearing masks, and staying at home if you're very old or sick (which is 95% of deaths) would have already a large impact. Those precautions alone would probably see a total yearly death of maybe 250k from the disease assuming an infection rate of 20% of the US population.

Bad? Yeah. Devastating? No. Especially, like as I said, the dead were already old and sick.

>>18600089
>While the numbers don't look bad, there is a massive difference: Sweden is growing, Finland is not.

And one is sustainable, one is not.

>>18598895
this post is the truth and thus triggers NPCs and boomers(old NPCs)

>>18599443
not wearing a mask is not making someone responsible for their actions, it's literally making someone else responsible for YOUR actions. A mask is not to protect you, it's to protect others from you

>>18599744

The point is that you shut the economy down more strictly to flatten the curve quicker and allow the economy to re-open again sooner. Government's aren't doing this for fun. They're trying to stamp it out asap so it doesn't turn into an exponential curve which would end up shutting the economy down anyway, but after all the damage had been done and millions of lives had been lost already.

Scenario A: Start lockdown at the beginning, flatten curve, reduce pressure on healthcare to lower mortality rates, re-open in 6 months.

Scenario B: Try going without a lockdown, curve goes parabolic, millions dead over 6 months with no end in sight, healthcare gets overwhelmed, and either panic and introduce a lockdown anyway which goes on for months more, or the economy grinds to a halt on its own as everyone is too fearful to do anything.

Scenario B just kicks the can down the road and could ultimately end up with far, far more economic damage, and millions more deaths, while countries who went for scenario A had already started recovering.

Also, young healthy 20 year olds still die from this, especially if hospitals get overwhelmed and there aren't enough ventilators to go around (which is already the case even with the lockdown). It's very brainlet to think this only impacts older people. Far from it.

Anyway, it's very easy to criticize strict measures from your armchair. Try being the person who makes the call, keeps things open and potentially ends up being responsible for millions of deaths and an even worse economy.

>>18600089
>So the deaths are a much better indication of true growth. So about 12x more cases in Sweden.
>While the numbers don't look bad, there is a massive difference: Sweden is growing, Finland is not.
Even assuming your own logic about the spread is true you talk as if the numbers in Finland is a victory. In reality they haven’t solved jack shit and the virus will still spread. You just delayed the exact same shit and called it a win.

The ideal is to be as close to medical capacity as possible and have this shit spread through as fast as possible. Only abject retards are commenting on the number of deaths as if it’s all gonna be fine past wave one.

Again, the alternative is to remain on lockdown until a vaccine is found likely a year or more from now. That is just not going to happen.
So we’ll open back up and the cohntries where the virus spread the least has the most uninfected to burn through still. Do you get that? It’s only over after people have dealt with it and gotten immunity.
Flattening the curve is about people not dying due to lack of healthcare capacity, not “saving” people from the virus.

>>18600378
>young healthy 20 year olds still die from this
Look at the fucking statistics you abject cunt, the risk is neigh nonexistent. Most of the “young healthy” deaths have been obese. It’s just not pointed out out of politeness.
Dying from corona at all is just a sliver of a chance to begin with. Dying as a part of the under 30 cohort is a sliver of that. Dying as a part of under 30 and not being obese is an even smaller group. And for those you just assume there wasn’t an underlying health issue they never addressed.

Spreading the idea that young people are at risk is just blatant lying. It’s to motivate a group that will be fine to take the economic damage on the chin so the boomers in power aren’t coughed on.

>>18600183

Your figures rely on a death rate of 0.3%. That's considerably lower than the current death rate with healthcare systems being able to cope due to the lockdown.

Around 20% of people infected need medical intervention. That's 13 million additional people flooding hospitals. The US has around 70,000 ventilators total. That's one ventilator for every 185 seriously unwell people. Death rates would skyrocket.

You think your strategy has merit, but it would kill millions of people per year - young, old, sick and otherwise.

>>18600378
>Scenario B: Try going without a lockdown, curve goes parabolic, millions dead over 6 months with no end in sight, healthcare gets overwhelmed, and either panic and introduce a lockdown anyway which goes on for months more, or the economy grinds to a halt on its own as everyone is too fearful to do anything.

You're doing exactly what I accused you of doing, creating 2 scenarios, one which goes too far, and one which does nothing, which is what the problem is.

>Government's aren't doing this for fun.

You're right, they're doing this because they're inept. A lockdown of everything is simply, for the damage it causes, far too extreme. The government failed to take proper precautions and now they are overreacting. As I said, rather than a lockdown, wear masks, wash hands, and don't go out if you're sick or old. That alone would have "flattened the curve" significantly.

It's a simple cost benefit analysis. Is the devastation from shutting everything down for 6 months worth it when you could significantly ease those restrictions, while still having effective other precautions in place? No, it's not.

>Also, young healthy 20 year olds still die from this

They can, but statistically, they aren't. in NYC the % of those aged 0-17 share 0.04% of the death toll. For the flu, that age range shares 1.4% of deaths. And of that 0.04% figure, they all had preexisting conditions. For that age range, it's less deadly than the flu.

>>18598946

The only people screeching about keeping on lockdown are all rationalising the same thing:

They love being a lazy piece of shit and staying at home, drinking beer, watching TV or watching porn and being a worthless human while getting paid to do it.
Ignorant to the reality that the tax money paying them will run out quite fast if it carries on.

I have a wagie job. It's not the best but im losing my mind stuck at home. nots not lack of social interaction, it just feeling like an unproductive piece of shit. Realistically you can't achieve much at home because of a lockdown.
A least when i'm at work i can delude myself i am achieving something even if its just a days work. It motivates me even more to do my extra hobbies after work.

now i just feel like a useless Teenager again. I fucked hated that time of my life i was just playing video games and being a useless degenerate.

>>18600647

Are you this fucking dumb? My god.

Read above. The risk of dying is low BECAUSE HOSPITALS CAN COPE DUE TO THE LOCKDOWN. By keeping infections rate slow, there's enough medical treatment to go around.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm?s_cid=mm6912e2_w

20% of Covid-19 hospitalizations are aged 20-44. If you let this spiral out of control with millions needing care at the same time, there will be one ventilator or CPAP machine per hundreds of younger patients. Then younger people who otherwise would have had treatment don't get any, and deaths shoot up.

It's terrifying that you get the right to vote when you have such a misinformed understanding of the basic principles of this. And worse still, you genuinely seem to believe you have it all figured out.

>>18600773

I feel the same way. The loudest proponents are the same people: statie people who hate to work and actually love a routine of Netflix, sleep, playing with their heckin doggo and drinking or smoking weed. And a massive, fundamental misunderstanding of economics and just how bad things can get, because they've never witnessed it.

>>18599744

Explain:
Korea
Japan

Both flattened the curve without total lockdowns. Just some social distancing and good practice, and telling vulnerable to take self responsibility.

Face it, there is growing evidence the hard lockdowns are not necessary. They will cause more death form later austerity.
see:
https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2020/03/24/former-tory-adviser-uses-130000-austerity-deaths-to-argue-against-coronavirus-shutdown/

All this rationalising likely because you are lazy and just enjoy not working and getting money for it.

>>18600683

Governments are making assumptions about the severity of this, but the difference is their assumptions, if wrong, will not have a catastrophic impact with millions of deaths.

Your idea of what might flatten the curve significantly is also an assumption, but if you get that wrong, millions of people die, and by that point the growth is so exponential you have to resort to a lockdown anyway.

See the difference?

With all due respect you have no idea what you're talking about. Governments might seem inept, but they're being advised by world-leading epidemiologists who spend their lifetimes studying this. Meanwhile, you're a NEET browsing biz who thinks wearing masks and washing hands while life continues as normal would be enough to "significantly" flatten the curve to avoid healthcare systems becoming overwhelmed.

>>18598895
>1 million + cases in the us
>LET US OUT AND SPREAD IT EVEN MORE

burgers really think like this

>>18600796
>If you let this spiral out of control with millions
You fucking mongoloid we aren’t even close to capacity and many places have fuckall spread and are still locked down. If you got your head out of your ass you’d realize the logic is to stay as close to maximum spread as possible without going over capacity.
It’s amazing you manage to think you’re informed and be a proud bootlicker all at once.

>>18600977
Real question: do you think we should be locked down indefinitely?
Do you think the bad virus will give up and go away?

>>18600921

The UK government were entirely lead by some twat from cambridge. He had some shitty projection. wouldn't even release his methods for coming to it. They didn't even peer review it(unheard of for government action basis). He changed his projections twice, both radically less severe, and his finally one was extremely incorrect too (predicting only 5,000 deaths down from half a million).

He caused farmers to lose billions 15 years ago making them all kill their livestock in response to an infection - latter researched and deemed to be unnecessary. An awful track record.

The UK was originally going to be more sensible till this idiot got trusted and whined so much.

>>18600654
>Around 20% of people infected need medical intervention. That's 13 million additional people flooding hospitals. The US has around 70,000 ventilators total. That's one ventilator for every 185 seriously unwell people. Death rates would skyrocket.

Where the fuck do you get your figures from? Hospitalization rate is 10-15% and ICU rate is 3-5%. In the ICU, that's where the majority of ventilators are used. If 60 million people were infected, thats 1 ventilator for every 34 people. Considering that half of those who go into the ICU end up dying a week later, and the average length for use of a ventilator once in the ICU is 7-10 days for COVID patients, along with the fact that not every person in the ICU will be put on a ventilator simply because they will have other reasons for being there due to different conditions like diabetes or heart issues, spread throughout 7 months (flu season), that's enough for 1 ventilator, per person, per stay in the ICU.

>>18600984

Yeah. the idea is to have it spread to a level that health systems manage.
Somewhere along the line allthese lazy retards starting believing it was to stop the virus in its tracks - impossible. Governments seem to also be trying to do this now changing their narratives.. makes no fucking sense.

>>18600921
>they're being advised by world-leading epidemiologists who spend their lifetimes studying this
Actually they’re being advised by only one group and the most alarmist of that group whose models - that did assume lockdowns - have been shown to be off by an order of magnitude.
AKA they were fucking wrong.
Of course they’ll try to sell it as “our response worked” which you’re already shilling here.

>>18599280

We can't tell how much lockdowns are preventing its spread, or deaths. It could well be that the majority of people are catching it in hospitals, say, and community transmission would have been minimal. We need to look at countries where life actually is carrying on as normal, there must be some who genuinely have no lockdown? Sweden is indeed fairly well locked down in practice.

> Lockdown saves lives and is worth the damage
> Therefore if we didn't have lockdown lots more people would die and things would be worse
> This proves that lockdown saves lives and is worth it

>>18600796
>20% of Covid-19 hospitalizations are aged 20-44.

Why are you lying? Out of all hospitalizations, the rate for the 18-49 group is roughly 5% of all age ranges.

>>18600045
>For a fair comparison with flu, do absolutely nothing for a year. No lockdown, no social distancing. Nothing. Based on lockdown-suppressed figures, that would most probably result in a few million deaths, particularly when the healthcare system becomes overwhelmed and there's one ventilator for every thousand seriously ill people.


Get off Neil Fergusson's dick. He is literally the only nutcase who thinks it was going to be that bad, and he is widely criticised by other relevant authorities.

It was overblown from the start.

>>18600866
>Both flattened the curve without total lockdowns. Just some social distancing and good practice, and telling vulnerable to take self responsibility.

but...I agree with you? Maybe you meant to reply to someone else.

>>18601081

except we do.
See South Kore and Japan.

>>18600921
>Your idea of what might flatten the curve significantly is also an assumption, but if you get that wrong, millions of people die, and by that point the growth is so exponential you have to resort to a lockdown anyway.

It's an assumption with verifiable outcomes. See Korea and Japan. Your assumption however has zero verifiable evidence.

>>18598895
OMG SO TRUE! But instead of sweden we should follow north korea because they have 0 cases. REMOVE HUMAN RIGHTS!!

>>18600921
>world-leading epidemiologists who spend their lifetimes studying this.
They are not statistician or fat-tailed event specialists. They know how their model behave with certains "lab" assumption, which are completely BTFO in the real world.

To make it clear :
These epdemiologists are at the summit of mount stupid in the Dunning Kruger effect, and them being draped in the appearance of science makes the political class suck their cock.

>>18601177

thats hyperbole and nobody is seriously suggesting North Korea has any data worth trusting at all. go back to watching anime and playing vidya

ngl Sweden's numbers actually look really phenomenal.

They're doing really well it seems

most of mediterranean countries went into lock down so they could get bail out by germany etc.
that wont happen, they will get kicked out of euro

sweden having a better economy and own currency does not need to play such tricks

>>18600183
Yeah, problem is that all the napkin math done to claim "actually, there are millions of asymptomatic cases, it's probably .3% fatal" that flooded out of Stanford three weeks ago turned out to be shitty napkin math. "1% of NBA players have it so 1% of metro areas with NBA teams have it," is in fact as retarded as it sounds for reasoning (that is where the 0.3% death rate comes from).

Antibody tests suggest much lower infection rates. This should have been considered since the Stanford boys were also harping on that the Diamond Princess was "muh one true data set) and yet locking mostly old people together in a highly social setting with recirculated air produced an 11% infection rate.

Since February we've been hearing that massively expanded testing and cases resolving would send the high fatality rates down, but it actually looks like a lot of people who get this need hospitalizations. Shockingly, China was sitting on a fuck ton of deaths, revising Wuhan numbers up 50%. The estimates around 3% are getting more support, not less.

If you reopen for a 3% fatal disease based on napkin math telling you it's .03%, you don't get a second shot to close it down. You're stuck with a an endemic spread that requires a Wuhan style lockdown. Congrats, you went from a bad recession from 3 months of restrictions to a Great Depression 2 scenerio of rolling lockdowns and millions dead.

>>18598687
lmao do you accually think we give a fuck about some virus thats made in china ? we swedes are itching to die

>>18598895
The sanctimonious assblasted responses you're getting should tell you that you're 100% correct.

>>18601203
I'd tell you to go back to fucking your sister at flat earth conferences but unfortunately you won't be able to go attend for a while :S gl trying to make do at home

>>18601116
Wow what a fucking liar. That ain’t even close. Who could have an agenda to spread fear like that?

>>18598687
Swedefag here. I was in the corona threads back in February and bought a bunch of supplies back then since I didn't wanna die.

Now with more data its been found out that only old people with pre-existing conditions actually die from the virus. The boomers will die in 2-3 years anyway, why should we fuck up the next generation just so boomers can live sightly longer?

>>18600796
my dude you are a neurotic retard

Living in northern sweden, literally everything is the same, gyms, pubs open. Just few have some resterictions. No one is getting sick, seethe you quaranteen cucks

>>18599137
Because nobody has jobs and livelihoods that depend on the economy being open.

Fucking retarded faggot.

>>18599591
blattar = darkie?

>>18603373
it's so comfy bro we're really gonna pull another ww2 and run off with the money

>>18599622
This

>>18601450
plebbit loser

>>18600796
Please stop posting faggot, your takes are fucking retarded.

>>18600286
Kinda true, but our "lockdown" is not very strict. Schools are working quite ok remotely in my option. Many restaurants are closed but we eat 90% of the time at home anyway. Some gyms never closed.

>>18600520
>Again, the alternative is to remain on lockdown until a vaccine is found likely a year or more from now. That is just not going to happen
It is going to happen. What’s not going to happen is your made up job coming back.

>>18600984
That strategy relies on strong antibody protection, which has not been established. You think we should gamble the future of humanity on your hunch? Of course you do, you’re an idiot after all.

>>18598687
What's Sweden?

>>18604587
This is the big hole in Sweden's strategy iff it turns out you can get reinfected they're fucked.

>>18603373
You still don’t have n64 in northern Sweden, of course you backwater losers don’t have covid yet.

>>18603373
I live next door to the hospital in Huddinge AKA the epicenter for sweden's corona spread and nothing has changed here either. Streets are packed as usual, even söderntörn university is keeping the library open. I've been self-quarantined since February though, because why not?

>>18599076
they cant afford the boomer pensions and refugee gibs