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>>18478703
Same

>study economics on your own
>become libertarian
>take economics class at (((university)))
>become socialist

Libertarians are retarded. I looked at the platform the leading Libertarian candidate is running on- open borders and ending all tarrifs. Open borders, during a massive fucking pandemic. What a fucking retard

>study economics
>become antisemitic
Who else?

>>18478703
>study economics
>become libertarian
>study more economics
>become a Georgist
Anyone else?

>study history
>become a landlord

the final redpill is labor theory of value nazi economics
ban all interest

>>18478703
Mostly libertarian but still feel the need for the government to draw lines. I think the FDA should be doing more, and no, I'm not talking about the "fly in chocolate" meme, which is made to allow for a fly to get into a vat of chocolate and make it to production. They're sealed, and they probably don't have a lot of places hospitable for life in a cold, steel factory with all food locked up. they probably have some flies by the dumpster, if that.

I'm talking about actually telling companies "No, fuck you, that is misleading" and actually regulating words like "organic" to mean what people think it means, the weird soup nutrition information example, or forcing "nutritionists" to get a clue or fuck off.

I also love freedom, so I don't mind these people existing. They'll probably find a different name, But at least we fucked with their monthly profits a bit...


After we dump some more. Ho ho holy fuck now is not the time.

>>18478783
Clarification:
Libertarian ≠ libertarian
Libertarian party is retarded.
libertarianism is not

>>18478703
>study economics
>become a syndicalist
Anybody else? Come on folks, we gotta get that surplus value down to zero! End wage/labor!

>>18478703
translation:
>be brainwashed
>become libertarian

>>18478703
>study economics
>became nazional-socialist
fixed anon
lolbertarians needs to starve to death at their first problem

>>18478703
I studied economics and became a national socialist. I’m not even a racist.

>>18478893
>study economics
>become syndicalist Marxist of Richard D. Wolff variety

>>18478916
“tfw contrarian fag with an axe to grind that hates minorities to spite libs but pretend you care about poor people to avoid being a total boomer”

>>18479025
>hates minorities
I don’t hate anyone
I just love my country

>>18478703
Pic unrelated?

>>18479025
you don't understand nothing
i was a hardcore marxist studying econ and sociology, with a lot of prejudices to national socialism such as this
the truth is: the third way is the only rational position. Marxism has some good theories but its endgoals are sick and would only corrupt humans, much alike capitalism

>>18478703
>study charts zoomed out
>become comfy

>>18478703
>study economics
>become brainwashed by libtard textbooks and teachers
no shit

>>18479047
do you retards have any original thoughts? Iv met you people in real life and you’re always losers. You don’t love your country. You want to feel like you’re part of a movement because you’re completely pathetic on your own. I guarantee you’d trade your country for a blond tradthot.

No, because I am not a 16 year old delusional Ayn Rands cock sucking faggot

>>18478703
Try taking something more advanced than Econ 101

>>18479132
>you’re completely pathetic on your own
first libtard phallacy
everyone is pathetic anon, except people who were born chad and wealthy. do you think your averga socialist or illegal migrant is some kind of happy chad who slays pussy and lives life?
we're all struggling here except for a tiny minority. Problem is, our struggles are antagonic most of the times

>>18478703
>be liberal
>go to university
>become right wing
>live in a liberal city
>become a nazi

>>18479068
I had the same development. Communism and capitalism arent antagonists, they are both materialistic ideologies

>>18479157
don't know about american colleges but in a typical introductory micro courses they teach you about market failures and models different from perfect competition, so it seems to me that if you're libertarian after studying econ in college that's some sort of reaction against what you've learned, not an acceptace of it

>>18478878

>no true libertarian!

Cringe. Just admit you fags can’t even agree what a libertarian is.

>>18479161
the fact that you mention sex twice confirms what i know about you.

also lmao at the projection. “Because i’m a lame sad sack it can be assumed that everyone else is”.

>study the noble Qur’ān
>become muslim
Yep

>>18479183
yes, I remember spending hours debating on /pol against natsocs, trying to "own" them with some text of Marx or Engels that I thought explained everything. I was wrong all that time and now I look back at it and cringe.

>>18478815
ayyyye

>>18479251
hahha epic own!
no you dumbtard, it only happens that you people are fucking scripted: it's always the same dumb argument: "le nazis are incels" so it is safe to assume that's what you're hinting
it's not a projection prick... ever meet a regular person that it's not middle-upper class? their lives fucking suck. why do you think suicide, depressions, etc have all risen in the developed world? because everyone is turning into a nazi?

you're probably a libtard honestly. I'd rather debate with bernie bros at this point, at least they recognize there is some sort of problem in our world. your philosophy is something like "lmao just chill bro, you're an incel if you complain"

>>18479267
I had a radical left youtube account to argue with people. When I finally deleted it, I saw that I had written 1200 comments in around 2 years.

>study math
>become 300k starting
Anyone else?

>>18479191
You kind of miss the point.
It's not a collectivistic ideology that lends itself to easy political organization. People with libertarian leanings necessarily don't agree on all points and thus do not trust in overarching imposition of authoritarian rule. The US is the only homeland I'll ever have, and my opinion is always going to be in the minority, so I'd best do what I can to advocate for individual rights so I don't get raped quite so hard.

>>18479310
>mention not having sex twice in a post explaining your ideology

>complain that everyone you debate notices that you’re obviously a faggoty loser


If you don’t want to be told you’re a virgin then don’t say the words “slaying pussy” in your political manifesto gaytard

>>18479408
>>mention not having sex twice in a post explaining your ideology
never did this
your reading comprehension sucks anon
just noticing the obvious fact that the only argument you have is saying people are incels, and here you are calling me a virgin so... was I right or not?

>>18479132
>do you retards have any original thoughts?
do you think i wake up and i decided to be a nazional-socialist?
i was a libtard just like you, but the point is that new liberalism is pure cancer and you better realize it
now we have a financial oligarchy that is able to obtain free money from the system and it has the capabilities to blackmail entire countries
and most of the people are unaware of that
look at eurozone, they are enslaving countries like greece by avoiding any kind of protection on gov bonds speculation (pure blackmailing), referendums were ignored and political class replaced with lobbyists
now they signed esm, which is a luxemburg entity with full immunity, borrowing fake thin air money in exchange of austerity policies, de-facto killing the economy and the next two generations
all critical national infrastructures were sold for these fake worthless borrowed euro
you better realize that a country that loose the ability to finance his own wealth is just a fine dinner for hyenas
national-socialism is the only answer, you need protectionism, you need to be able to self-sustain your national economy
there are entire regions in these world that will literally start starving to death in 72 hours if something happen and food deliveries from third countries are disrupted

>>18479401

“Libertarian” is a just an umbrella term for every snowflake with his “unique” edgelord political opinions. There are just as many left libertarians who think you’re a fascist in disguise. I’m glad you losers will never hold any power.

>>18478816
based

the correct stance after studying economics is becoming a centrist though.

>>18479487
So what you're saying is...
you can't think for yourself and trust in the government to make decisions for you. Got it.

>>18479433
>everyone is pathetic except those born chad

>do you think the average guy is slaying pussy


This betrays you. It is abundantly clear that your ideology comes from sexual frustration.

I bring this up not because it’s my only argument but because actually debating a nazi larper is pointless and boring. Your beliefs are a complete meme and you won’t change your mind because you don’t actually believe them. You are just coping with being a loser.

>>18479580
>lolbertarian
>plebbitard spacing
you have to go back

>>18479635
>doesn’t respond after clearly losing
>screeches about reddit


You’re a 90 IQ ape. I also guarantee iv bee here longer than you. Good luck bud

>>18479580
> It is abundantly clear that your ideology comes from sexual frustration.
thank you for making my point even more transparent lol

>I bring this up not because it’s my only argument
seems like it is anon, seems like it is

>Your beliefs are a complete meme and you won’t change your mind because you don’t actually believe them.
k, sure, everything that is not retarded libertarianism telling people to be ok as long as you have freedom (to have a shitty life) is coping. Honestly I couldn't think of a more pathetic and submissive ideology
like I said, at least marxists tend to recognize there is a problem. The only ones who claim every complain against our society is a "cope" are the ones who either wield the power or are footlickers to the people in charge. Dismissing every complain as a cope is not only a pathetic lack of critical thought, but also an incredibly convenient defense of the status quo (which, at least in America, most of people think it fucking sucks)

have a good day anon, I hope you had the luck to be wealthy and have a good life, because if you're a poor white trash defending "freedom" then it's just sad honestly. Like marxist say: have some class counsciousness

>>18479702
>clearly losing
you are just spitting out non-sense words

>>18479576

No, simp. I’m saying you’re a faggot who thinks his retarded edgelord political beliefs make him some misunderstood proponent of freedom, when you’re really just an oddball, Dunning-Kruger retard. Go back to your John Stossel fab page.

>>18479702
not even the same anon
you can't bother to notice the ID digits are different and you're calling someone 90iq? lol...

>>18479702

Do you understand how ID’s work on here?

>>18478703
>study economics
>become libertarian
>live in the world
>suddenly nazbol

Anyone else?

>>18478703
You are probably a complete moron going to a shit tier uni and not unterstanding what you are studying. Else you would understand that sometimes regulations might be needed (e.g. with external effects)

>>18479702
>doesn't understand how ID's work
>"'i've been here for longer bla bla..."
please anon, stop ridiculing yourself

>>18478869
This.

>>18478816
if, under any circumstances, the government plays any role in not allowing to receive the entirety of what your labour earns you, then you will have an ever-expanding welfare state as a result of government positions existing in the first place
positions in society that reward individuals based on their abilities in social manipulation (as opposed to their objective ability to produce wealth) will always attract, and most reward the socially manipulative; government positions tend to reward people who make the most convincing and attractive promises, as opposed to those who best transform non-wealth into wealth

as a result of the government's inability to mediate with individuals who do not pay tax (for whatever reason they might not pay tax—generally, abject dissatisfaction with how their money is being handled) always remaining unchallenged through non-violent means (competition), anything other than pure anarcho-capitalism—a system in which your natural right to form and govern your own municipality and refuse to pay taxes to the traitorous government that wishes to destroy the world's most objectively valuable genetics is recognized—will always devolve into relative communism in which working people are enslaved, in the manner typical of communism and its fundamental predication on slavery. anyone who does not acknowledge this, in addition to anyone who does, will each get what they deserve.

easily-controlled personal aircraft—"flying cars", along with decentralized cryptocurrencies, will likely change the future of governance.

>>18478703
>study economics

Sounds like you only studied the neoclassical school. Otherwise your economic views would probably be a lot more nuanced. So no, you didn’t study economics.

>>18479487
>anyone who doesn't bootlick left or right of center is a snowflake

>>18479851
neoclassicals are the ones who came with market failures due to externalities, scale and imperfect information tho...
actual austrian and libertarian economics is not taken seriously in colleges

>>18478703
>study economics
>become feudalist
Whomst else?

Economics is a wide discipline that has a variety of perspectives ranging from what assumes to be true. Neoclassical economics is the most popular in American universities and it has some fundamentally flawed assumptions that it premises its theories & models on.

Economics is more ideology and interpretative accounting than it is anything resembling an objective character of humans.

>>18479756
Who hurt you? Seriously, there's a copious amount estrogen and emotion in your responses. Want to talk about something or just want to use this place to vent your frustrations? It's fine fren, hopefully you'll put yourself in a better place soon.

>ancap?
>why bring up a completely defunct ideology? i thought we were having a serious conversation about anarchism

>>18479871
I agree that neoclassical economics has much more credibility than Austrian “economics.” But the Austrian isn’t even taught in universities, so I’m guessing that he studied neoclassical economics. My point still stands that he barely studied economics if that’s the only school he’s been exposed to.

>>18479913
How can there be different styles of anarchism anyway? Doesn't make sense. Once there's no laws people will do whatever they want.

>>18479820
anon, I'm the first to say that hard work should pay over being a fucking parasite
but there a limit
first thing: the country has to give you warranty that your property will not be raided by illegal niggers, this require military and money
second thing: healthcare, schooling system and infrastructures are not a joke, it is in the interest of everybody to have them as public as possible, because:
you can get cancer anyday
if you are sick you cannot work and survive
if you are poor but willing to study and work hard, we need meritocracy for a better country
if you are a lazy ass that wants to drink beer all day and reject any job offer, you can go fuck yourself and lose your rights
+ your country can self sustain without third countries help
+ you avoid foreign speculation
that's why nazional-socialism is the ultimate redpill

>>18478703
>Study history
>Become Holocaust denier and Confederacy supporter
Anyone else?

>>18478869
>labor theory of value

>18478703
>study economics
>Cried today

>>18479946
Anarchism isnt about no laws, its about no hierarchies

>>18480673
If there's no state, all your different flavors of anarchism are just suggestions to a populace who may do whatever they like.

>>18480691
There can still be laws and law enforcement in a stateless society

>>18480726

No just one, per usual: might makes right

>>18480738
Hows someone supposed to get that kind of power when people already have their needs met without work and workers own their means of production

>he hasn't taken the ancap pill yet
cringe

>>18478783
>I wanted to know about the politics of a highly specific ideology so I looked at the government party trying to mass appeal to whoever they think will vote for them

>>18479161
>everyone is pathetic anon
NGMI

>>18479183
Capitalism is not materialistic or even materialist.
>>18479946
Not what anarchy actually means in the political sense
>>18480673
No its not you retarded commie, no hierarchies is an impossibility. Anytime there is at least two people a hierarchy exists. To speak of anarchy as being about elimination of hierarchy is essentially to babble nonsensically. God I fucking hate lefty anarchists

>>18479401
>People with libertarian leanings necessarily don't agree on all points
So they're exactly like democrats and republicans. Got it.

>>18478703
>Study economics
>become virulent antisemite
>never take a loan in my life
>completely stop watching porn
>start feeling bad for minorities, as they should never be here
>reduce bank holdings to a minimum
>become a landlord

>study economics
>become libertarian as a knee jerk reaction
>study psychology
>realize the average person can't be trusted with discipline for the greater good no a large scale and the government has to enforce morality

Also, every libertarian I meet is genuinely autistic. Like actually on the spectrum somehow. It's hilarious. Meme ideology.

>>18480673
Anarchism brings chaos and people bunch up into factions/tribes/communities/unions/cooperatives for mutual protection and benefit -------> Return to tribalism circa 3000 B.C.E.

>study economics
>become a libertarian
>study the philosophy of economics
>become an anarcho capitalist
>study the philosophy of systemic action
>become a neo-feudalist

anyone else?

>>18480673
>bro just ignore how humans have evolved a subconscious that naturally puts them in hierarchies

>>18480805
>people already have their needs met without work and workers own their means of production
because some assholes will always want more and will team up with those that also want more.

What is your definition of satiety? You think people will always be satisfied with what they have? Also everyone's definition of a "good life" is different. so there will always be a fight for what's "mine."

>>18481280
Sorry anon; anarchists and communists don't accept human nature arguments as it goes against their perfect-on-paper-theories written in their favorite 100+ year old books.

>>18481276
based trajectory
currently entering the post-liberal neo-absolutist paradigm with a hedge in propertarianism

>>18480673
Nigga every single mammal species has hierarchies. People are not the equal, and we are a group animal. Our success comes from living together. Anarchy and libertarianism are just meme ideologies that assume that you're always at your best and you can exist independent from the other members of your species, which is a retarded idea, to call it an idea.

>>18481346
Redpill me on neo-absolutism
if i google it nothing comes up
is this the based revelation that only a select few should be socially conditioned into the application of reason, and that this upper aristocratic class should set the rules for the subordinated castes, with the framework of property rights ensuring that these cannot absolutely overstep their bounds?

>>18478816
absolutely based
i wish more people took the georgepill

>>18479820
Excuse me Mr. Ancap. I have a legal contract showing that I have ownership over all the oxygen on Earth. Please pay your monthly fees for it's usage or you will be in violation of the NAP, and I will be authorized to use force.

If you don't like this arrangement, there is oxygen on other planets that you can find perhaps at a better price. I will also be willing to sell you some air for $1,000,000 so that you don't have to pay these fees, and can perhaps even make some money charging other people to breath. Work hard and fast enough and you might just be able to catch that golden ticket of air ownership out of poverty and decreasing real wages!

Karl Marx was a classical capitalist and I will debate anyone on this.

>>18478703
>economics

>>18481954
>Taleb
i hope you don't follow this pseud

>>18481276
anon you are going in full retardation mode
too bad you cannot study common sense

>>18478703
nah i became a Keynesian like most normal people

>>18481868
haha i destroyed that capitalist be presupposing that property is theft what will he do now huh huh can't justify capital on those grounds huh huh?

>>18482041
>He thinks studying economics is useful

>>18482088
national socialism is a crude and poorly drawn neo-feudalism which has no internal robustness and is doomed to completely fail within two generations

>>18482123
>he thinks that economics has absolutely anything to do with quantitatively predicting stock market crashes

>>18482123
seriously, taleblets are absolute cringe. the man himself is a reasonably smart, genuinely well read, arrogant and modern second-mouth for serious intellectuals who predated him by a quarter of a millennium, while his followers have read a few paragraphs of his mass-market prose and think that his Hume-for-Dummies constitutes some new paradigm of thought, and now feel well enough equipped to DESTROY any person with the gall to claim that they have some remote ability to make some remote prediction about the future

>>18482105
Property isn't theft. You are the one stealing my privately owned air.

>>18479478
The greatest nation in history
Brought to its knees
By cheap plastic and fruit

>>18482278
yes, so obviously you don't understand the claims of the capitalist as to what property actually is, and what can be considered property in any just sense. without properly understanding the capitalist theory of justice, the arguments you're positing aren't actually directed against any real person's beliefs.

>>18482356
>yes, so obviously you don't understand the claims of the capitalist as to what property actually is, and what can be considered property in any just sense.

So what can be considered property then?

>>18482406
this isn't the place for that. i don't even hold a theory of property which any capitalist theorist holds, to my knowledge. but i can't see what you're attempting to gain by positing that a capitalist believes that someone can just claim all of the air and kill everyone. obviously nobody believes that. it's as much as a strawman as if i were to say to a commie 'wow no private property guess i can cut off your arm since it isnt yours'

>>18482406
based henry george memer

>Study Mathematics
>Become an anarchist
Does anyone else?

>>18482123
>durr u need to apply a probabilistic risk analysis to assess every REEL WORLD SITUATION

study of economics actually has an influence on world policy. this guy is a grifter. you probably bought his books lmfao

>>18482460
>but i can't see what you're attempting to gain by positing that a capitalist believes that someone can just claim all of the air and kill everyone.
Of course not. I was making an analogy with land ownership. Everyone is born into the world needing land to live and work on, but many do not own land. So they must compete with each-other by selling their labor and renting hoping to save enough that they can eventually buy their own economic freedom in the form of property.

Georgists also aren't communists. Owning actual capital and collecting interest are perfectly legitimate forms of business. Humanity existed before and particular company began, and nobody needs that company in order to exist. Land usage is entirely different, since we all need it and no one made it. Simply owning land isn't productive, absentee landlords literally collect paychecks for their name on a piece of paper. At least running or owning a company usually entails more management and active engagement with the meeds of society and customers.

>>18482820
i know that Georgists aren't communists.
the fundamental claims of Georgism are half-solid. my own position is somewhere between that of Rothbard and George. property isn't objective and absolute. but I also believe that what George (or more specifically Georgists themselves) consider to be land is entirely out of proportion to what land actually constitutes in any economic sense.
i've also got a large distaste for the general intellectual softness of georgists in that, once they've critiqued land, it very often follows for them that the government should simply 'own' all land (or the land aspect of capital) or act as its caretaker, and redistribute any revenues raised hereby in an entirely egalitarian fashion.
i could almost consider myself an anarcho-georgist, but what i differ so much with georgists on what land actually is that i can't in good faith adopt that label.

>>18478815
yeeee

>>18478703
no, i'm not a faggot

>>18480007
your first point, regarding borders and border security: the country is something that both you and i would *like* to provide us with the sort of security that keeps demographics consisting of inferior genetics out—but as we can see, the individuals who excel in social manipulation and thus wind up controlling the meritocracy of social manipulation that *is* government do not understand the fundamental importance of this. they either think that these sets of objectively inferior genetics—persuaded to come over here on the promise of receiving very generous welfare handouts, nonetheless—are every bit as capable of understanding and acting upon our understanding of objective reality as us, or they simply do not care.
this "warranty" that they provide at such a great expense to the taxpayer as to sometimes exceed 50% of their income is just like everything else that they provide—a mere *promise* of adequacy, at astronomical cost to you. nature has it as such that breaking a promise does not necessarily entail consequences on its part—and while whites are perhaps most frequently the carrier of nature's greatest DNA, they have their flaws--*insanely* high tolerances to pain and misery, and such an overestimation of their opponents' abilities as to fear them among them.

>>18480007
>>18483125
to your second point, regarding government services—as someone who has seen both extremes of what government health care and government schooling has to offer, i lend you my assurance that at the best of times, you will find yourself at odds with their inadequacy--especially with regards to government's control over healthcare in canada. the restrictions placed on the civilian's ability to purchase medicine for their own use (obviously not exclusive to canada), in combination with the position of relative financial security that associates of government healthcare have over their free market counterparts as a result of not being subject to consumer scrutiny, and not having to face competition from truly economically efficient, independent forces (current regulations make it near impossible for a researcher or a team of independent researchers who discover highly useful molecules that are cost-efficient to produce to get these molecules to anything other than grey or black markets without the backing of industry giants, who have little incentive to fund truly, profoundly disruptive discoveries that might upset their entire business models) practically ensures the dominance of complacent, oftentimes lazy and fundamentally illogical government-funded medicine over competition-driven free market medical practice that is as transparent and honest as the population that comprises it, and the population that it serves is able to earn.

>>18480007
>>18483125
>>18483159
tl;dr for this second point: if not for the free market to turn to when every government hospital and (i must say, typically quite arrogant) medical doctor had failed me, i would be dead. this is obviously irrelevant to most people—but to me, this is obviously everything.
even when consulting the free market, i encountered some trouble; certain sets of genetics will lie and exhibit dishonesty, no matter what organization they are a part of, and no matter what the economy looks like—and it is precisely for this reason why economic and social decentralization, is so important. the only force that should necessarily challenge you, in your desire to disassociate yourself from anyone you wish, for any reason—dishonest, parasitic sets of genetics who would otherwise force you into surrendering your economic power to them at the forefront—should be the forces of nature. forces that always exist, no matter the social landscape—or lack thereof.

it is for this very reason that everyone being uncontested in attempting to get what they are capable of earning is so important. if you want a national socialist ethnic enclave that you may govern as you see fit, then nobody should be able to stop you; at any given point in time, we each know what is most good for ourselves—to deny anyone the experience of hardships, that are followed by terrific success (or crushing failure) for any reason. if someone's actions are so deadly or flawed in approach as to be suicide, then so be it; actors not involved may comment, but they have no right to your autonomy.
if every actor involved is voluntary, then your business is of no concern to anyone not involved. *this* is anarcho capitalism—taxation is theft, absolutely. being requested your payment for a service that has, or a number of services that have already been provided to you with your expressed consent—that is not theft.

Now that we all realised all governments arounds the world can fine us for taking a walk to a forest or walking around without a mask I think many people became libertarians

>>18478703
Only one position worth embracing!

>>18482921
>i know that Georgists aren't communists.
the fundamental claims of Georgism are half-solid. my own position is somewhere between that of Rothbard and George. property isn't objective and absolute. but I also believe that what George (or more specifically Georgists themselves) consider to be land is entirely out of proportion to what land actually constitutes in any economic sense.

Oh, then perhaps we are on similar pages. You came off like an ancap to me.

>i've also got a large distaste for the general intellectual softness of georgists in that, once they've critiqued land, it very often follows for them that the government should simply 'own' all land (or the land aspect of capital) or act as its caretaker, and redistribute any revenues raised hereby in an entirely egalitarian fashion.

I agree that this is a weak point of the ideology, but you can't expect any idea to have an answer for everything. There are many schemes for how ideally to implement and value the land. However, even without details of implementation, it is important that the land problem is recognized and understood, so that solutions are still debated and policies can shift broadly in the right direction.

Nah straight South anarchist, when mises says that cops are required to uphold the free market I cringe, money shouldn't be sanctified like that, nonmutual human action is just as legitimate as mutual trade.

>>18482921
It seems like everyone past the enlightenment has no idea what government is because it got too big.
The modern nation state came out of european feudalism. Historically, government does not represent any kind of equality, but the interests of the elite. All historical revolutions have been the secondary stakeholders overthrowing the primary ones.

>>18480902
>Capitalism is not materialist.
Have you ever visited planet earth

>>18479025
>study demographics
>realize whites are the global minority

>>18483328
For me, property is simply the result of giving people their due. No given object is absolutely property, but the object of one's creation (insofar as one has created it) is extremely approximate in value that amount of societal power which is due to its creator, and so justice (and certain epistemological necessities) demand it be given to him if no more preferable agreement can be made.
The rest of my notion of property rights (which form this framework into a more definite position) is more epistemological; that since certain modes of distribution are impossible to universalise within men without instigating a free-for-all state of violence, the only real solution is a propertarian anarchism.

>>18480902
Capitalism and Marxism are both materialistic, i'm sorry to inform you.

>>18481868
that is quite the extraordinarily hypothetical scenario—unless, of course, we are referring to the scenarios manifested by some governments, such as the government of north korea, under which the population was told that planet's natural resources were created by their supreme leader (and thus, there is the sense that they "owe" him for this—which their government inarguably wanted the people to believe).
suppose that a private entity *did* have a contract that outlined their claim to all (existing? potentially existing?) O2 on earth. a serious question—might i ask you who recognizes this contract?

an individual with such a self-annihilatory mindset as to attempt withholding oxygen from all other individuals (or more accurately, attempting to force an economic association upon other individuls over supposed "ownership" of this resource that is generated in abundance by plants (some of which are people's private property) and some machines (again—generated by free markets for private, and public ownership)) would never be successful enough in the free market's meritocracy of wealth production—an economy in which you are free to agree to provide other people with goods and services in exchange for their money—in order to attempt a claim over the ownership of oxygen, and then have this claim gain the recognition of nearly any court in the world--no matter the court, especially if associated with private enterprise that has proven the most capable of providing people with the goods and services they most want.
especially in independent enclaves/municipalities, this would not fly even one bit; if you attempted to use force against them, you'd better be prepared for a response.

again—to my observations, the only organizations that have remotely succeeded in such a claim over general access to nature are governments--entities that are able to leverage taxes, much unlike any private entity. the more tyrannical, the more successful.

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>>18478815
It is known.

>>18480673
Social hierachy is literally hardwired into human DNA. It's not something you can even get rid of, it is something that has to be at the center when designing a harmonious society.

Social Hierarchy should be based on merit, skill, wisdom, aptitude and achievement for the optimal society.

>>18479183
There's a third way: Jeffersonian/Lincolnian homestead libertarianism

>>18484987
There is no frontier to give away plots of land on anymore. Homesteadism is over.

>>18482127
It took the world's greatest superpowers uniting in an unholy alliance to take out NatSoc in Germany.

The strength was unbelievable. If USA became NatSoc they would be completely unstoppable. Modern demographics are a big obstacle though, it would require segretation, which would result in so much political turmoil, possibly revolts, civil war or secession, that a US NatSoc project would require divine intervention of some sort.

>>18485092
Space.

>>18485092
The solution is deportations, zoning changes, and taxation of all non-residential speculative land.

>>18478878
yeah but libertarianism relies on people not being retarted/irrational and for *whatever* reason we have a lot of people like that currently. How do you make a transition like that? Do you just kill anybody who is retarted in your general vicinity? You can't systemically do it otherwise you'd be a hypocrite

>>18485103
Not comparable.
>>18485112
You can't put Pandora back in the box, anon. I wish you could, but there just isn't room. Even if we snapped our fingers and all non-whites magically disappeared from the US, that leaves nearly two hundred million people and no empty valuable land to grant them all.

>>18485220
The point isn't so much "valuable" land, because most goods are produced from other exported goods. It's more an escape from the perpetual rent machine.

>>18478703
congrats you're an idiot