/biz/ - Business & Finance

Bumpity bump. Another $250 profit in the last 20mins going strong.

>>18467979
Were you in the thread with that german guy who scammed a bunch of people in january? Fuckin legend. Is this the business where you send calls to local businesses?

You mean to tell me there are people that are
>a) not running adblock
>b) actually click ads, and
>c) not bots designed to inflate your revenue with fake clicks
all at the same time?

>>18468452
yes anon. Old people exist

>>18468362
Nah I don't think so. I'm not a huge fan of scammers desu. I think the last time I made a thread about affiliate marketing was September last year?

>Is this the business where you send calls to local businesses?
Nah I don't do that. I promote offers which pay me when someone clicks through to the offer and enters their email, makes a purchase, subscribes, downloads, etc. I find good offers and then make landing pages. I tend to focus on offers that pay $25+ which are generally purchases/credit-card submits.

>>18468452
>of course there are however push notification ads are not blocked by any ad-blockers. To a lesser extent Native ads/FB/IG as well.
>you'd be surprised how many people not just click ads, but regularly purchase products/services from ads.
>this is a big problem. I have various scripts and algorithms running on my landing pages to identify placements full of bots. For example, I put hidden href tags on my sites which are invisible to people but automated ad-clickers will click them. If I see a placement with 20%+ bot visits, I'll blacklist it.

>>18468452
For c) I forgot to ad that push notification traffic is almost entirely free from bots.

Good stuff Anon. Also doing push traffic, also using that script as well, but hide it in the js.
my states from yesterday. doing cpl, crypto, cc sub and nutra

>>18468720
forgot to ask, I hope you're collect subs as well to do your own send outs ;)

>>18468720
Nice one mate. Crypto and nutra work on push for you? I've only had success in those verticals through native. Guessing you promote those offers in LATAM geos/geos with low CPC? Yeah I hide it and obfuscate it along with an essential function so if they remove it, the LP won't work.

>>18468737
Of course my man! Got a database of about 500k at the moment. Good going bro.

haha you guessed right. With crypto on push its a volume game. but paying such low cpc makes it worth it. Last year Nordics did well on push and native.

Nutra works well on the subs we collect through sweeps. (I haven't added that data to thr tracker or the upsells - so right now addtional $300-380ish). Obv trials run better on push.

So many ways to monetize push traffic and also kinda nice to see a lot of newbs leave after losing a tiny bit of $$ making cpcs even lower

>>18467979
how do i get started on something like this? I've been able to generate traffic before I just don't know what to do with it.

>>18468843
My main GEOs are FR, BE, CA, UK, AU and NZ. Occasionally run in LATAM and a few other GEOs too. Nordics were a goldmine for crypto in 2017. I used to run crypto there through FB and native.
>kinda nice to see a lot of newbs leave after losing a tiny bit of $$ making cpcs even lower
Haha agreed. I'd say it takes a certain type of person to push through the inevitable losses and turn analyze the data logically to turn it green. I started with mobile pops some years ago and was lucky enough to secure some direct advertiser deals along with paying on a CPA basis through some traffic source partnerships. I transitioned to push when they were first introduced a couple weeks after Chrome implemented push. At that time you could promote literally anything and see 500, 800, even 1000% ROI. Of course it's harder now but this corona virus pushing down costs is very helpful. After spending over $700k on push ads last year and now having most of my optimisation fully automated I have a good system in place.

Do you have a team of media buyers or just solo? I'm flying solo but have considered hiring people a few times and always decided against it because I find it hard to let myself trust anyone and feel it would be a hassle to get them up to speed with my operations.

btw: have you ever dealt with the advertiser "Winlotsofthings"? They used to be one of my go-to advertisers for cc-submits but the last couple months I have noticed blatant shaving from them at a ridiculous level and have now boycott them.

>>18468896
You can join STM or there are a couple of slack and Telegram groups as well and you can learn from. But starting it isn't too hard, but making 1-5k a day is a steeper learning curve.

>>18469003
Awesome bro! My main geos are: US, FR, DE, AU, BE, LU and now LATAM (CL, MX and CO).
I have a business partner, a guy I've known for a while and start push traffic with. Prior to that we both did native, pop when things were good and easy. But I only have employees for our ecom side of things. With paid push traffic I do the media buying myself and my business partner does some but mostly does biz dev and tech related things.

winlotsofthings is Static, they used to be amazing last year with AT, CH and AU cc subs. Gone down hill since. I know them personally, they are working to get new processors for credit cards so new mids, due to the pandemic might take a bit. If you want to run high converting CC's I suggest Adcenter, Total Access and also Credit Support which is in-house cc offers from gotzha. We can connect after and i can intro you to the people to talk to.

>>18468896
You can buy my "super special one-time-offer 100% guaranteed profit masterclass webinar dropshipping affiliate marketing bitcoin digital-nomad financial independence make a million dollars while in an induced coma" course for only 1600 hourly payments of $5! I'll be giving away all my secrets but hurry because this offer will be gone in 10 years.

Jokes aside check out affiliatefix forum (free) or STM (paid). Plenty of free resources out there. I recently got an email from my ad-tracker, Voluum, saying they have free webinars for noobs. Idk if it's any good, it will probably gloss over the basics briefly and then try to sell you on their tracker (which is a good product, but still). voluum(.)com/webinars. Never ever buy any of those fucking courses. If any of those guys were successful in affiliate marketing or dropshipping then there is absolutely no reason they would be selling a course, that's what I don't understand about that shit. There's pretty much no amount of money that I would sell a tell-all course/personal coaching for. I don't like dealing with people which is one of the reasons I chose an internet-based solo pursuit in the first place.

>>18467979
where are you getting these $0.02 clicks from that is converting that well for $25 payouts?

what do i do with a 500k email subscribe list of people interested in cryptocurrency?

>>18469154
WTF 500k?!?!
If you dont care for them, hit up media500 tell them you have 500k subs and make bank. They will do the funnels for you and all. Unless your subs are Americans, then ignore everything I just said.

>>18469154
send them to me

>>18469153
You can easily once you start optimizing. I pay about
.025 for US traffic and the main offers I run pay $38 + upsell. Takes time but you can def do it. Hell you can do on zeropark right now, bid .01 and you will get traffic, Maybe not the best quailty but you can get traffic.

>>18469084
That's good you have a partner you can trust. It would be handy to spread the load a bit I'd imagine.

Oh cool, so you run with Gotzha too? I've run a lot of Credit Support and Total Access offers through them, they're pretty solid. Another favourite is G33k. And yeah I heard winlots were having issues with their MIDs but it just sounded like excuses to me, I wasn't happy.

Were you at AWA in December? I went to the Gotzha party at that bar with the secret entrance through the photo-booth lol. They're a nice group of Dutch guys.

Anyway, you got a skype or email or something? Happy to connect and chat.

>>18469154
I'll take em off your hands if you want, we can do a revshare? I have a complete bulletproof SMTP email server setup capable of sending 80k+ emails/day. Happy to discuss.

so do you have like a website where you run ads and get money or

>>18469202
>I'll take em off your hands if you want, we can do a revshare? I have a complete bulletproof SMTP email server setup capable of sending 80k+ emails/day. Happy to discuss.
Additionally I have a number of high-payout crypto offers and custom landers on hand so your only responsibility would be providing the emails and I'll do the rest.

>>18469228
Kinda. I have many landing pages (usually a good looking, simple HTML site) which "warms" up the incoming traffic from ad-clicks and then sends them on to the actual offer through an affiliate link.

me no understand anything in this thread. explain to grug in cavespeak

>>18469202
Yup run with them. One of the owners of the company (fabi) I have been good friends with for a while. I used to live in the netherlands myself so we kind of all know each other from different networks/advertisers. Yea G33k offers aren't too bad. But do check out adcenter offers
I wasn't at the Gotzha party since i had other plans but was there for a most of the other ones.
Yea shoot me an email: pushtraffic@ protonmail.com then ill add you to skype .

>>18469299
Ah yes I know Fabi, nice guy - had a good chat with him during the conference. Stijn is my AM and I was originally introduced by Sasa my AM from United Gap.

Sent you an email through proton. Sender: d*v***s**x @ protonmail(.)com

>>18469153
Keep in mind that my stats include some revenue/clicks redirected to me from people who ripped my landers and other $0 cost revenue & clicks from my personal push subscribers.

>>18467979
How to replicate your success?

>>18467979
Would push traffic to e-commerce do well? How much time do you put into this? Could I do it on the side?

I'm still having trouble wrapping my head around this.
People don't run adblock. People actually see and then click ads? Ads on websites? People actually click them? And moreover, a push notification with a fucking ad pops up on your screen, and instead of deleting the program responsible, you click the fucking ad? People really do this?

>>18469534
Lol yes redditor they do.

>>18469583
>lolyes
Why? Fucking why?

>>18468551
will you help me advertise my dating website?

>>18469295
>find affiliate offer (eg win free iphone)
>make/steal related landing page
>create ad campaign
>spend less than revenue generated
>profit

>>18469467
Time, determination and money. Programming and network/server skills are very helpful, being a competent coder gives me an advantage over the average digital marketer. The ability to either analyse large sets of data and make profitable decisions based on the data or create algorithms to do that for you is essential. I've been making money online since I was 13 so a knowledge-base of trends and behaviour is very useful.

>>18469519
Not necesarily. As we discussed above ecommerce/crypto offers are a volume or quality game, generally better suited to Native Ads/FB ads (higher quality traffic) or on push in high-volume, low-cost GEOs like LATAM and SEA.

>>18469534
Yes, yes, yes and yes. You'd be surprised. However push notification ads sent to mobile devices look identical to any other notification you'd get on your phone to the average person.

>>18469611
We can talk. I'd need to know more info. Dating What's your Skype?

>>18469629
We can talk. I'd need to know more. I've been successful promoting dating sites/offers in the past. What's your Skype? **

>>18469534
You wouldn't believe. Unfortunately, I can't break down stats by age group but you're looking at this through the lens of a compuer literate person. Most people aren't that

>>18469618
>ads look identical to other messages
What kind of low IQ fuckwits are we talking about? My phone has push notifications from my boys, sluts who want my dick and my work colleagues. What fucking state are other people's phones in where they cannot tell if a notification is an ad or not? They're fundamentally different.

>>18469645
>the lens of a computer literate person
Christ Almighty, please give me strength enough to endure this anguish.

>>18469618
Are you going completely direct with your offers? Is it possible to do this with normal offers off normal networks or is that basically dead?

>>18469653
There are over 7 billion people on this earth, the vast majority operate at a very low brain capacity. That's not to say everyone that clicks an ad and converts is a moron. Hell, I've bought products from ads before.

>>18469700
Do you think everything in this thread is made up or something? What are you trying to get at? Yes people click ads. I make a good income in this way. In fact, the majority of websites and apps are mostly, if not completely, supported through advertisements including the one you're on as we speak.

Met a guy many years ago on here who got me into affiliated marketing. We added each other on discord and talked once in a blue moon, I had copy righted my website, had it built professionally, and was making serious progress. Even had my logo done professionally, social media accounts ready to go, I was almost there.

Then the guy developing it disappeared and never finished it, and I ran out of money

>durr u shouldn't have paid someone to make a website

No, I wanted a real website that would operate how I wanted it to. What I wanted done required more than basic Wordpress shit. Now it lays dormant, almost finished, but not there. Broken dreams, I guess.

>>18469640
I don't have a skype but here is my throwaway email jakemalon590@gmail

>>18469742
>do you think everything in this thread is made up or something
Disregarding the website we are on, it's not that I think you're making shit up, I just find it unbelievable that people click ads at all. It's like if you told me that the latest fashion craze was to go and skin your knees on an ashphalt road - why the fuck would you do that? I really don't understand why people would let some advertiser tell them what they should or should not buy. I'm incredulous.
And I work in Sales. I make money from selling to my clients, and I had no idea that scamming is apparently so easy.

>>18469710
With some advertisers I have direct deals, yes. If you have promoted their offers through a network and done enough volume in the past, they are generally willing to negotiate a direct deal usually with a minimum cap requirement to fill. There are some advertisers I could go direct with but choose not to because of the added safety net of being paid by the trusted affiliate network. I've spoken to some advertisers who are incredibly shady and I don't want to open myself up to being shafted.

>>18469805
You didn’t realize your job was easy?

>>18469838
Got it thanks. How would you approach setting up a campaign on native for e-commerce? Just direct to lander?

>>18469840
I don't scam my clients. It now makes sense why they like me so much.

>>18469856
Cringe. Go back.

>>18469946
Kid you're like 20, Asian, in college, you came here in 2016 and have no fucking idea what websites I visit. Fuck off.

>>18469982

>>18469854
Listicles work well, multiple ecomm products on 1 page. Think "Top 10 gifts for Mum this mother's day".

>>18469856
Just because it's online ads doesn't mean it's a scam

>>18470123
Awesome thanks I will try this. Any native networks you recommend? Are you 100% push traffic?

>>18470233
I do everything desu. For Native I've had success with Taboola, Revcontent and Outbrain. Revcontent really only has US traffic, other geos on it have really low volume.

>>18470395
Awesome thanks man.
What’s your biggest edge over others doing this? What’s stopping someone from simply out bidding you or w/e?

>>18467979
Nobody cares, poo.

>>18470512
No worries mate.
See: >>18469618

Definitely my biggest edge is my expertise in programming, firstly for making unique landing pages - they stand out as most affiliates are lazy and copy whatever they see on adplexity, you see hundreds of the same LPs and creatives. As mentioned I also have sneaky scripts which silently siphons traffic from anyone who rips my landing pages.

Secondly my programming skills allowed me to develop my own private automated optimization platform. It links via API to my tracker and all my traffic sources and it looks at all my data and makes constant bid-adjustments, blacklisting/whitelisting, A/B testing of LPs and creatives as well as detecting suspected bot traffic.

Also as I said I've been making money online since I was 13. I used to be active on hacking forums and my first taste of money was when I made one of the first "Booters" that used dedicated 1gbit servers to send network stress test. I also made and sold other software in my teens like crypters, software HWID authentication/licensing platform, various GPT/PPC sites and my biggest money-maker - one of the first Bitcoin gambling sites. Being obsessed with everything to do with the internet, programming, making money, etc. and having seen trends change and mature over time gives me a good understanding of predicting trends and behaviour.

That's not to say that I'm successful all the time. In February I made a net loss for example. Also when I first started I was down $3500-4000 before I finally got my first profitable campaign. Determination and perseverance are key.

>>18470736
I remember your thread from last year. Were you on HF? I was back then thats how I started making money too. Used to make good money with cpa from spamming but all my methods died last year. Have you had any experience with Facebook ads?

>>18470736
This has been a great thread. Thanks for sharing. I love the sneaky script - that's really clever.

>>18470882
Hey mate! Yes I used to be super active on HF when I was 13-16. My booter sales thread used to be the top replied thread in the premium sellers section, I wonder if it's still there. Been ages since I've been on the site.

I've done a fair bit of FB, it's just a pain because accounts get banned so easily even if you're fully whitehat. In 2015 the week when Pokemon Go came out, I was an asshole and made one of those Pokemon Go Coin generators where you need to download 2 apps to get the coins. Each app download earned me $0.30-$2 or so. It blew up, no targeting apart from target age 13-25 and let it run. Was hitting like 800%+ ROI and the accounts lasted at least 3-5 days each. I had a vietnamese plug who sold aged FB ad accounts for ~$750 but eventually they started getting insta-banned. Before that I also had thousands of IG accounts in a bot that promoted game hacks, etc with the same "download an app to get it" CPA model. I haven't done too much FB recently but every so often when I find a good Nutra or Ecomm offer I hit up my friend who has an FB ad agency with basically unlimited accounts and use some of those.

>>18470736
I'm a software dev, can I get in touch with you regarding SaaS in affiliate marketing? Throwaway: xxzsvmzuvkacsicrjh@ttirv.net

>>18467979
does manipulating data give you an edge? I wouldn't mind doing this type of work if it's not front end stuff

>>18471147
Sure mate. Emailed you my Skype.

>>18471156
What do you mean by manipulating data? I use the data to identify trends and performance per segment and optimize based on my analysis which I've automated.

nativeads looks like shit under brave.

>>18471235
which languages are godtier?

>>18471286
None of them are "godtier" imo. I've been using a lot of JS frameworks: Node, React, Angular; but I always find myself going back to PHP for most things. Python is good if I'm writing quick scripts or testing theories.

So probably a controversial opinion but honestly my favourite language is PHP. I grew up with it and know it extremely well. Even though it might not be particularly suited to some things, it's still 10x faster for me to use PHP over trying to understand for some other flashy new specialized framework.

>>18471145
>My booter sales thread used to be the top replied thread in the premium sellers section, I wonder if it's still there. Been ages since I've been on the site.
Omni took down the booter marketplace in 2016 iirc. That place was really popping. Too bad the site is nothing like it used to be. I would spend all my days on there and its been a year or two since ive visited.

>>18471145
>Each app download earned me $0.30-$2 or so. It blew up, no targeting apart from target age 13-25 and let it run. Was hitting like 800%+ ROI and the accounts lasted at least 3-5 days each.
Thats insaneee. How much different was fb ads years ago? I assume they must have been a lot more lax. Seems like everyone keeps getting hit with bans left and right these days. Only reason I'm keen to try is because I've been sitting on lots of real legit fb user accounts for a while now and I'm trying to see how far I can get with them. Definitely thinking of running them churn and burn style but I dont know if that works anymore. Only one way to find out I guess. If you dont mind, could you sling me your contact in my email? Moody8595@protonmail.com

>>18469134

>>18471615
>Omni took down the booter marketplace in 2016 iirc. That place was really popping. Too bad the site is nothing like it used to be. I would spend all my days on there and its been a year or two since ive visited.
Damnnnnnn! Yeah that shit was my childhood. I owe a lot to HF. It showed me its possible to make money online and got me started programming and marketing. It was a great place, even if the software/sites we were coding and selling were malicious - it was an invaluable wealth of knowledge for a teen.

>>18471615
It wasn't that much different to be honest. They weren't more lax per se, rather they didn't have the technology to detect cloaking and their phrase blacklist wasn't advanced so once it got automatically approval, you had free reign until a manual reviewer took a deeper look. It's still not super difficult to run blackhat ads, you just need to be creative with the words you use and ensure your money page is sufficiently cloaked with a legitimate safe page. I still see ads for bitcoin gambling, nutra, forex, etc. on the daily. I also came across a Russian site which sells and manages FB business manager accounts which each come with a private RDP for very cheap. $100 for a Brazillian account and $200 for a New Zealand account for example. I'll try to find it in my bookmarks.