/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>18416872
This is precisely why Kleros will 500x in the next year or two.

>>18416872
Could be, not for everyone but for a lot of them

>>18416872
We will see an end of the open office layout and a mixture between closed/cubicles again and remote options.

Many boomers are still resisting, especially ones that offer services in rural areas. In the past their business had a reason to exist because they were local, now people are realising that you don't need a local business, you can have someone remote do the task better because they're not some hick with no hope.

Ultimately I think the population will become more dispirsed as more and more people work remotely.

>>18416888
aka WeWork is kill

At least we can stack bodies in all that unused commercial real estate.

>>18416872
You're halfway there OP.

The real hit comes when big firms realize they actually dont need office drones at all. That all the automation technology they thought was coming for truck drivers and warehouse workers is actually way easier to implement to the office world. I'm sure boards are having this conversation right now, their office buildings are empty and productivity among the workers is cratering...but things still run. This gargantuan college educated professional class that causes endless HR headaches and costs a fortune?

At least 75% of it is not necessary. It actually probably hurts more than it helps to keep these people employed.

>>18416903
It really is. It's been scientifically proven that open offices are the least productive way to work and the ONLY justification for them was muh cost savings. The cost savings of remote blows that out of the water and people are more productive because they aren't using half their brains processing power to drown out the manifold distractions present. They are going to realize it's only worth having in person offices if they're worth going to in the first place .

I’ve always wondered why call center agents need to be in an office

>>18416956
Lay off all the useless faggots, make them do real jobs.

>>18416872
If this was the case, if productivity/collaboration was really the same or higher if everyone just remoted in then you would have seen it happen already because the technology is already there. Offices aren't going to vanish, that's boring to even argue. But there will be a hit to real estate in general.

>>18416956
this. short the engineers, hr people, middle managers, paper pushers. so many of them don't do jack shit. 75% of the population in post-industrial society is redundant/unnecessary. it's all a circular make-work circlejerk to sustain our massive population.

>>18417052
>if productivity/collaboration was really the same or higher if everyone just remoted in then you would have seen it happen already because the technology is already there.

One day an economist professor and an undergrad were walking around the campus when they came across a $20 sitting on the ground.

The undergrad went to pick it up and the economics professor said "what are you, stupid? If that were a real $20, someone would have picked it up already."

>>18416888
Checked. When you're right you're right. Imagine working in an open office in 2020

I'm working as much as I can from home. This still mesmerizes me, because the owners are really old fashion. They are just desperate.

God i hope so
I will be working from home at least 2 more weeks.
It's the best thing ever. No commuting, no normies I have to pretend to be nice to.
This is as it should be.

>>18416956
You can’t hold a machine accountable.

>>18416956
my team's productivity is about equal (possibly even greater than) when we were fully working on-site in an open office setting...now, that might mean we have a few very low productivity people, but they stayed low productivity regardless of whether remote or on-site. same deal with our high productivity folks.

t. software engineer

>>18417052
It has already been tried by companies like IBM and Yahoo. They switched back to onsite after they had experienced a drop in overall productivity.

Competent employees (i.e. people who actually do things) can work from anywhere, its the useless middle managers or delegators who only know how to micromanage that are struggling. Their teams function fine if not better without them and they are expensive dead weight. Half of these idiots still print their emails and type with two fingers. Any smart company will be coming out of this a lot leaner and for the better.

>>18416901
Agreed

>>18416956
>endless HR headaches and costs a fortune?
HR is already mostly automated funnily enough.

>>18418095
>print their emails
I have never seen anyone do that. What would possess someone to do that?

>>18417052
>if productivity/collaboration was really the same or higher if everyone just remoted in then you would have seen it happen already

you are forgetting that they could be simply making an error in judgment, the production process could simply be overpriced

>>18416872
Yes. Less overhead for Mr.Toilberg

>>18416888
open offices come and go in cycles. They will never disappear forever
It goes like this
>owners/management get the idea to save money by having an open office layout
>open office is a disaster for the employees
>production goes to shit and employees rebel
>open office is removed
>enough time passes and owners/management forget how terrible the idea of open office was
>repeat

>>18418516
>if I can't touch it, it doesn't exist
There are still businesses that use fax OP, people are still living 20years behind even in Switzerland

>>18417620
Incredibly useless post

>>18416882
B A S E D

>>18416888
>We will see an end of the open office layout and a mixture between closed/cubicles again and remote options.
>cubicles

Honestly, that would be awesome. Open plan offices are god awful and cubicles are comfy af.

>>18416956
So you're saying automation, smart contracts and Chainlink have a bright future?

>>18417567
I like that

>>18418842
There are kiosks in every convienience store in Japan that let you send faxes. Some companies like my isp still refuse to allow you to send documents by email here.

>>18416872
Wework unironically crashing and burning

>>18416888
Checked. Only the most narcissistic of control freak retard managers will resist this. Anyone with a brain will see the same or better productivity out of professional employees without needing absurdly expensive office space. From this point forward, not having a full work from home option available for new employees (in jobs where a physical presence isn't entirely necessary) will be a huge red flag that the company is run by psychopaths.

>>18416872
no

>>18416956
>muh singularity

>>18416882
Based I brought some but i have no idea what it is

>>18418516

Boomers who "cant read" on the computer

They use a fuckload of paper every day and take three times as long to do basic communication. Pair that with a desk phone onlyand an attitude of seniority and you have an expensive dead weight in your team

>>18416924
I APPRECIATE YOUR JOKES M8.

I work in an architecture office and we're considering it...

Mfw 90% of normies love playing dress up in suits and such just to show off and be social for simple tasks that could be automated. The real estate issue should be solved by transforming business zones into parks so I don't have to drive for a proper hike.

If people are trapped then you'd think they would become more resilient by learning how to make things they need rather than going to the shops. We're too materialist as a society anyways. Was industrial society a mistake? Read the unibomber