/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>18408485
He has signed non-disclosure agreements, dumbass. He can't let on what he knows.

>twitter army

>>18408501
Ur unable comprehend how Hyperledger or Merkle tree's work I take it.

Let me explain Chainlink wants to set in between things like Ethereum and Data so they can act as a intermediary to sell the data on Ethereum.

Corporations already have widespread adoption of Hyperledger. Hyperledger can directly interface with Ethereum now and Merkle tree's can be used to prove the data's legitimacy.

All this without a centralized shitcoin ie LINK

Vitalik attempted to explain this to but Sergey Nazarov is a soft brain and just responded "makes sense" after vitalik told him in nerd speak his business model was pointless. watch until 35:19

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdiJCvYfVHQ&t=2001s [Embed]

Eat a dick jeets u have no comeback. Say something i dare you.

>>18408501

He gave all the link to a whore

>>18408501
that is his dad in a lambo. He used his family to launder the funds from his last Exit scam NXT token

>>18408501
Vitalik is right Chainlink is a shill project kept alive by Jeets in troll farms

>>18408485
FUCK VITALIK. HE'S HATED US SINCE DAY FUCKING ONE

>>18408501
No, he can't. There are forces behind Chainlink greater than him. He's not stupid.

>>18408652
This. I never bought a single LINK because I know it's just a shilled coin that will never properly moon.

>When did I bash Chainlink? I think Chainlink is cool and am happy that it exists, though its security model is too centralized for me to be satisfied with it being the solution to all oracle problems. It's great as one solution among several, in the same way that it's good to have eg. fiat-backed stablecoins as being one solution among several. I do think the Chainlink twitter army is great fun though.

>>18408625
fuck man
this is best fud so far
i'm shaking

wait
is there any proof its centralized?

Link is just another 'muh partnerships' normie coin like tron

honestly i wish vitalik would have talked more about it because he's pretty bright

>>18408688
>wait. is there any proof its centralized?

>>18408485
Joel 1v1'd vitalik and made him dress up in a cat costume for life

>>18408691
>Link is just another 'muh partnerships' normie coin like tron

>>18408677
Strike back against the hoards of jeets. Its ur duty as a 4Chan'er

>>18408691
>partnership bad

>Chainlink is the leading oracles platform that expands the silo-ed smart contracting capability of most blockchains

Link's success is a testament to how fucking braindead most people are. Someone is going to write a great book about discord trannies in a few years

>Since smart contracts relies on internal, on-chain data for execution, Chainlink creates a route where smart contracts can be triggered to executed from vetted, off-chain data introducing more use cases of smart contracting and therefore utility.

>>18408625
You’re right one chain connecting to another chain with a centralized middleman completely solves the doracle problem

>>18408625
what you're actually witnessing is the come up of a new power group who threatens ehereums platform completely

There is always different factions of the "elites" and sergeys camp jut happens to be another faction.

Similar to how Ethereums camps is hostile to the Bitcoin Core camp

Then you have the XRP bagholder army and the fake satoshi (BSV) dick riders

Chainlink is a whole new power group and a powerful one that is more threatening than the others.

TLDR: Vitalik is jealous of a new elite faction backed by good memes with a crazy autistic 4chan army. he wanted the memes to be on his side.

If chainlink really solved the oracle problem, eth could just copy paste that code into it's codebase or another erc20 token so nobody has to buy shittokens from crusty NEETs. And that's only half the blackpill, the other half is link hasn't even solved the oracle problem. After years.

>>18408807
REAL projects do not budget for Sockpuppet's

I hope to god they are paying you anon cuz if not get tested

>>18408861
>the other half is link hasn't even solved the oracle problem. After years
Expand. What's missing?

>>18408861
Could but would not... see >>18408658

>>18408798
You’re right one chain connecting to another chain completely solves the oracle problem

>>18408807
Almost all are financially invested in "their" currency and want it to moon so they get stupid rich. That's all there is to it.
Every other "reason" for hostilities and the online spam of
>this currency is just the best, its the future, its freedom, it gives orgasms
is bullshit

>>18408871
A solution to the oracle problem

>>18408898
I agree with you, connection through a centralized oracle completely solves the decentralized oracle problem, that’s why I’m an eth maxi

>>18408691

this 1000%

>>18408697
>>18408739
>>18408760
>>18408777
>>18408796

this pajeet is in every link thread as damage control. the coin is pathetic.

>>18408625
>"makes sense"
he said that after the chink lady literally said nothing coherent for 2 minutes aswell. its just a response he gives

watch from 33:30 as soon as sergey says "oracle" how vataliks seething asshurt self grabs the mic to defend his original stance on oracles and why he didnt think of it. you can see him avoid the response of actually confirming the data because it cant

is he smart? yes, does he have the humility to admit he was wrong? no.

>>18409069
He also yawns in quite a rude way. I'd like to see an extended technical discussion between the two so I can discount the possibility that Buterin's just being defensive

>>18408485
Sorry but people who matter think that its decralized. Die poor, nigger.

Vitalik is right, the team literally holds 65% of the supply. That's not to say LINK won't moon though.

>>18409533
I wish I held the other 35%

If it's possible to do on Ethereum why hasn't it been done? Why do oracles exist?

>>18409806
It isn't.

>>18408688
lmao what a stupid faggot.

>>18408485
If you guys paid attention every time Sergey presented, it gets real interesting when he details 2013-2015 getting into the smart contract space before ethereum existed. When the ethereum foundation approached him, they decided to split up the work- they’d take settlement layer and Sergey would take oracles. This shit goes back 5 years at this point

But he's right?

Every node is KYC. LINK is fundamentally doomed to fail and replaced by an actual sibyl-resistant oracle.

>>18409982
Here comes Santa Claus
Here comes Santa Claus
Right down Santa Claus
Laaaaane.

>>18408625
>business model
You have no idea what chainlink is, retard

>>18409982
Holy shi

Oh look, it seems the discord NEETS have switched to fudding.

He is right you know, just market sold all Link, im out faggots, buy shitcoin xy instead

>>18410183
Bye

>>18410383
this anon is being sarcastic

>>18408625
If a blockchain is a vagina, and data is a dick. Then connecting hyperledger to ethereum is scissoring.
It's completely useless.
You can really put that pussy to use if Chainlink lays the dick on it and puts a baby in it

>>18410509
so was I

>>18408652
crying wont lift you out of poverty despite what democrats want you to think

>>18408625

I don’t think you understand the risk involved in that scenario. The corporation represents a centralized point of failure. If it’s hacked and it’s data feed provides incorrect data, it doesn’t matter what the merkel tree shows. The whole point of chainlink is to provide multiple sources of data which would all be impossible to hack simultaneously.

>>18410045
like clockwork with this fag

>>18408485
he's right, chainlink is centralized

I love Chainlink so much, it has made every single altcoin seethe so hard with its success. If you aren't on the Chainlink train by now you will be sad when it hits 100 eoy. It will never hit 1000 like shills think it will, but 100 is an absolute certainty.

>>18408485
>it's not decentralized enough
What he is complaining about is that there has to be a middle man. If you think there can be a no-middleman solution to the oracle problem, please describe it.

>>18408625
>Corporations already have widespread adoption of Hyperledger. Hyperledger can directly interface with Ethereum now and Merkle tree's can be used to prove the data's legitimacy.
Yeah just like they have widespread adoption of BTC right? The point is that smart contracts allow you to not have to set up something to deal with hyperledger, which is literally the major hurdle holding crypto back. Instead you opt for the software package solution of Chainlink which links on chain to off chain technologies.

>>18408861
>but anyone can use the open source software
Have you actually seen a boomer try to install windows? Good luck to any alt-coin taking on the issue that Chainlink is. Also you would be changing your coin's usage to a completely different thing in order to support what Chainlink does.

>>18410868
He is not right, he feels threatened. And that's ok. But there will always be ETH so he shouldn't feel threatened. He is just a stubborn ass nerd in the end.

>>18408485
it is centralised though
keep coping

>>18411020
Wrong. It is not. And that is what Vitalik slowly begins to realize

Imagine being so asshurt that you unironically believe Chainlink is centralized lmaoo. Please explain how it's centralized ethlets.
https://blockchainengineer.com/centralized-vs-decentralized-vs-distributed-network/ Here's some reading you can do instead of blindly following.

>>18411020
Someone asked him on the reddit thread what he meant by "link's security model is too centralized", no answer yet. I don't see how it's centralized.

>>18408625
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Nice pasta

>>18411098
Funny too that this paster got rent like 5 times

*rekt

>>18411061
>I don't see how it's centralized.
Are you new to blockchain? Devs hold over 50% of the supply and therefore have complete control over the network.

>Chadtalik

>>18408485
so much delusion in this thread
bet vitalik isn't even thinking about chainlink as often as he thinks about crypto kitties

>>18411061
Don't you see? You know what I do when I watch Vitalik's interviews? I have a trained high priced psychologist sitting in with me. He tells the truth, but when it comes to decentralised, let alone Chainlink, his answers are flimsy, and not real.
It is scared.
Yet it doesn't need to be.

>>18411149
That doesn't mean the underlying security mechanism is centralized though? If I own half of all the bitcoin, that doesn't mean bitcoin is centralized. Its code and implementation are still decided on by five constituencies (wallets, merchants, miners, developers, exchanged). I'm just a whale in the market, I'm outside the technical environment.

Vitalik is scared of something that will coexist with etc, yet he s shitting his pants.. that's what is is.

>>18411149
Okay so we moved from claiming that it was a centralized network to claiming that the network can't be trusted because too many nodes were controlled by the same team.

How very honest of you.

How do you think the dev team should give out those tokens? Slow and steady or dump it all at once? If they sell a massive amount of it at once guess what it gets called? "exit scam".

However this doesn't mean your premise is even correct. Chainlink runs on Ethereum. This means that the number of tokens held doesn't matter because you would need a 51% stake of Eth to control the nodes and double spend tokens or modify data in a meaningful way.

Also when smart contracts are created the creator picks the nodes. Meaning that even if they had it that way, you could still do validation on public nodes. https://market.link/search/nodes?page=1 Here's a list of nodes for easy viewing.

Another thing to consider is why would the dev team do that? Do you realize the legal repercussions from doing that? It would be like trying to rob a bank, but the bank already knows the team behind the robbery lol.

Do you have any other concerns?

>>18408522
someone tells him chain link is 4chan
4chan is chain link

>>18411482
who the fuck here have reddit account
go and pm him chain link is 4chan

>>18411378
He keeps Guatemalan Hissing Cockroaches as pets.

why is it that proven big brain chads like Vitalik know chainlink is a scam but only midwits like /biz/ and motherfuckin... Kris Humphries... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA fucking watermelon ball player... cling to the belief that it isn't??

>>18411531
Why does this concern you?

>>18411635
Vitalik never said anything the like. He just avoids and keeps changing subjects and calls it different names. That is FEAR.

And the funny thing is that Link wouldn't even threaten ETH.. so fear for no real reason

>>18411635
chainlink adds value to ethereum and vitalik has a huge ego that can't cope with this and he's jealous of the community support that chainlink has, vitalik is perfectly capable of explaining complicated tech at a low level in plain english but the reason he chose not to was that he was intentionally obfuscating (and misinterpreting! sergey was talking about private NON BLOCKCHAIN SYSTEMS, vitalik immediately started talking about private blockchain systems, and only discussed execution of contracts on those systems, not about how they get inputs from the outside world) in attempt to discount the value of oracles

>>18411635
IMO Vitalik wants Eth to win so of course he is biased against Chainlink. The reality is that Eth + Chainlink is a good thing. The problem he is facing is that he is reddit, so he has to comment on literally everything.

>>18411699
>>18411777
>FEAR
>JEALOUSY
LINK shills coping this hard.

>>18411777
"and misinterpreting! sergey was talking about private NON BLOCKCHAIN SYSTEMS, vitalik immediately started talking about private blockchain systems, and only discussed execution of contracts on those systems, not about how they get inputs from the outside world"
Oh really? lol has everyone just freaked out for nothing? Need to watch it again

>>18411822
How do you explain him calling LINK centralized despite it not being centralized?

>>18411884
Because it is. KYC Nodes.

>>18411850
listen to sergey's whole question, he explicitly mentions his interest in connecting private nonblockchain private systems with public chains, then vitalik goes on to talk about light clients of various blockchains running inside of eachother and calling the full nodes for merkle proofs, desu even this seems better achieved by oracle middleware with threshold sigs

>>18411903
It isn't, please explain how it is centralized.

>>18408625
hyperledger is using chainlink oracles, kek

>>18411922
lol i just did nigger. when you need to apply with a central authority (KYC) to run a node, it's centralized. Prove to me it isn't centralized. Spin up a chainlink node right now please.

>>18411940
This. minus kek.

>>18411941
it's been said since 2018 that nodes eventually will not be KYC. KYC nodes are just to help bootstrap the network and cross the sybil gap.
you can't program decentralization. it happens over time.

>>18411922
the nodes are KYC, assuming you trust chainlink then the network is more decentralized likely than if there were no KYC, where right now there is no incentive to not sybil attack the network (no staking + freemium), this requires centralizing trust in chainlink the company, decentralization is a spectrum though, it is dishonest to say that the chainlink network is fully centralized or decentralized, personally i would say it's right in the middle, and will further decentralize when freemium ends, staking is implemented, reputation is established, and non-KYC nodes are allowed to onboard

>>18411969
lmao, so it's just centralized for now. Why the claim that it's decentralized then? why not be honest about it?

>>18411941
>when you need to apply with a central authority to run a node, it's centralized
Oh so we went from stating that network is centralized, to stating that nodes are insecure because they require validation.

How honest of you.

Each individual node is run by someone. https://market.link/search/nodes?page=1 Here's the entire list. Nodes validate off each other, which means it's not centralized.

Next please.

>>18408485
why do people think the word of vitalik means anything? he created ethereum, great, millions of pajeets can now make there own shitcoins. he hasn't made good on any of his roadmap promises for like 5 years at this point.

>>18411989
i never claimed it's fully decentralized. maybe someone else did.
this is a total non issue though. bitcoin and ethereum were centralized at launch as well.

>>18411989
>>18411988
How does validation stop a network from being centralized. It doesn't you mental midgets, which is why you just claim it's centralized instead of stating nodes require validation.

>>18412004
lmao the fucking cope... Where's that decentralized node you spun up to prove me wrong anon? I'm waiting.

you have learned nothing from chainlink if you don't see vitalik's nominal disgust as the highest of praises. elites have to invert their signaling to keep out plebs who would fuck everything up.

>>18412033
>Where's that decentralized node
Right here fag https://market.link/search/nodes, the nodes rely on validation with others meaning they are decentralized.

>>18412024
if you trust chainlink then it is decentralized, if you don't trust chainlink then you could assume that every single node is actually immediately subordinate to chainlink and not actually independent, trust is centralized in chainlink the company right now and that level of trust will only begin to decrease when we get the features mentioned above, im bullish but saying the network is fully decentralized right now is wrong

>>18412049
lol that's not what i asked for. I wanted YOUR node. One you spun up this moment to prove to me and all the naysayers that chainlink is indeed the decentralized oracle solution.

>>18412058
>saying the network is fully decentralized right now is wrong
It absolutely is decentralized because that's how the network is set up. Requiring validation to set up a node does not take that claim away.

>>18412072
I give you several nodes that are decentralized. That proves that it is decentralized. You're complaining that nodes must be validated.

>>18412007
this.

>>18412089
because you can't verify with me that all those node operators aren't just Sergey's nodes. you know how you can prove it isn't? By spinning up a node right now. When anyone can join the network and act as a node, i'll concede it's truly decentralized. The thing is you can't. Not just because of a lack of technical ability, you can't because someone at chainlink HQ has to bless your nodes to be allowed on the network.

Unironically thanks for all the info in this thread everyone

>>18412089
>It absolutely is decentralized because that's how the network is set up.
do you know that for sure, have you been along with sergey and his team of auditors to each and every nodes operation, have you listened in on every one of their calls, do you know for a fact that those nodes don't follow direct orders from sergey? etc. you haven't, you are assuming chainlink is to be trusted and so am i
>nodes must be validated.
validated by whom? chainlink the company, you are trusting a singular entity on the claims they are making

>>18412114
>because you can't verify with me that all those node operators aren't just Sergey's nodes
lmaooo the cope. I'm sure all the nodes are Sergey like this one https://market.link/nodes/c2b54aca-b72b-46c5-b949-9ea7ae257f0f

>>18412128
There are several examples of community run nodes. That is what I am providing to you. You can look through them if you want, which is what I provided the list for.

>>18412114
dood you suck at fudding, tons of nodes there haven't been KYC'd but they aren't part of the network that delivers data, they are examples of the type of node you're talking about

>>18412133
>There are several examples of community run nodes
yea but they are not part of the curated list that are allowed to serve synthetix, loopring, DMM, set, etc.

>>18412133
>>18412141
right so you're just going to refuse to prove anything. what more can you expect from nigger shills.

what a circle jerk

>Chainlink: Vitalik is decentralized.

>>18412152
I've given you a list that shows they aren't all owned by Sergey. The point of me providing the list was to show that it's public information and it's not some shadow list of nodes. Public validation provides trust. If nodes were somehow hidden then you would be correct and it would be untrustworthy.

>>18412150
First we went from claiming that Chainlink is centralized.
Then we went to claiming that it requires validation.
Now we are moving to claiming that those publically listed aren't allowed to do all the operations.

How honest of you.

Show me that curated list, I've provided you the public list you can do to look at each chainlink node, surely you can provide me some evidence of your own right? Even this guy https://market.link/nodes/03c941e4-7ece-4750-a52f-484b92bb0bac can perform several operations. https://www.joswigsolutions.com/

>>18412236
>First we went from claiming that Chainlink is centralized.
not me
>Then we went to claiming that it requires validation.
it does if you want to deliver data to chainlinks users
>Now we are moving to claiming that those publically listed aren't allowed to do all the operations.
they aren't, unless you're on the list at the bottom of this page feeds.chain.link, then you aren't allowed to deliver data to synthetix, loopring, aave, DMM, set, nexus mutual, openlaw, bzx, haven, or 1inch

>>18412294
Please provide me that curated list.

>>18412300
they're on the bottom of feeds.chain.link

>>18409982
I don't believe it. Sergey doesn't seem innovative enough. I think he just camr up with some shit and marketed hete with daddy's money.

>>18410875
Blah blah blah no one cares you stupid shill

>>18412375
read this
https://www.coindesk.com/most-influential/2019/sergey-nazarov
and this
https://medium.com/ampleforth/sergey-the-sage-61f28cb8886c

i think sergey is the real deal

>>18412314
You realise he's bored and fudding right? Don't feed him.

honest question here, not looking to argue for sentiments sake or be apart of some anon's anxiety/euphoria..

Aren't the KYC requirements on alot of chainlink nodes currently just temporary as the network is growing, staking isn't implemented yet and security is still being tested?

>>18412397
>>18412375

>>18412422
actually he's mindlessly shilling by saying that the network is already fully anonymized, which is not true in a practical sense, or by fudding do you mean he's intentionally being retarded to make LINK holders look stupid, and therefore make LINK look like a bad purchase?

Let them run into it, head on, until they realize Link is for real, no bullshit.. and Vitalik always knew it

>>18412423
Aren't the KYC requirements on alot of chainlink nodes currently just temporary as the network is growing, staking isn't implemented yet and security is still being tested?
presumably yes

>>18408688
Simple brainlet answer that you can anderstand: YOU CAN'T OPEN A NODE AND SEND DATA VIA CHAINLINK ONTO THE BLOCKCHAIN RIGHT NOW. Only sponsored partners can do it. Does this answer your question?

>>18409806
It is possible but it isn't a problem. Every serious firm will rather take a centralized oracle service which they can hold accountable in the front of judges and pay a flatrate because they need a set of data every few seconds, than pay a sum for every data they request and can't judge the indormation they get. It's something for nerds to play around with, but not for big companies. Also the whole Link supply was instamined out of thin air lol.

>>18412426
Is that Tim Gonzos from digisig!?

>>18412542
yea

>>18408691
>pretty bright

This is the horse shit you see on here. Pretty birght, as if this fucktard anon is smarter than vitalik

>>18412426
Nice That’s one of the talks he mentions it

>>18412494
>>18412532
Thx just sold my stack!

>>18408485
Imagine being so based you create Ethereum and manage to piss off a bunch of retard autists on a mongolian right wing forum

>>18413306
fuckin A

>>18408485
>LINK security model too centralized
Meanwhile ETH devs rollback transactions.

>>18413456
do you not understand that what etc and link do are 2 different worlds in the same world? Tell. me . now. If you are here and you don't get it it, you shouldn't be here. You should be on facebook laughing at some cat video

>>18413666
Hail Satan.. do you thing.

This is the most bullish thing about Chainlink. A big buy signal.

Plus: You haven’t seen the real deal big players yet.

>>18413732
Bigger players than satan? good luck with that

Tellor is the decentralized version of Link. Next 100x easy. Surprised no one here is even talking about it

>>18414022
PoW is unnecessary schelling point works fine alone, PoW and schelling point are weak solutions without high quality data feeds, tellor minimum response time is 10 minutes
>Maker: we need an ETHUSD price now, there's market volatility and keepers need to liquidate!
>Tellor: sorry, you'll have to wait 10 minutes for 5 correct PoW hashes to be found

everyone with a high iq hates link.

>>18414102
Nice fud attempt. Tellor block time is actually 2 minutes now, not 10.

Tellor will be huge.

>>18414182
no, they just don't understand it it still... it makes them mad. let them

>>18414392
>Maker: we need an ETHUSD price now, there's market volatility and keepers need to liquidate!
>Tellor: sorry, you'll have to wait 2 minutes for 5 correct PoW hashes to be found

>>18414416
100x

>>18414392
2 minutes is still literally unusable in volatile conditions

>>18413666
What the fuck are you on about. I get it. Link doesn't need eth. I was pointing out that eth is as centralized as link currently is. When eth switches to pos it will potentially be less centralized than today. The more link network grows and staking and penalties are figured out the less centralized the network will become.

>>18414515
Please don't get your panties in a bunch again friend

>>18414392
also
>block time
half of the reason PoW works for blockchain is because of nakamoto consensus, PoW and nakamoto consensus are about writing an immutable record, if you want to double spend a a UTXO that is 10 blocks deep then you have to mine 10 + n blocks (n being the number of blocks mined by the honest network while you were mining your fraud fork), this is fucking expensive and is the major reason PoW works, if it was only about mining rewards then BTC would have transitioned to a PoS model already, no such mechanism exists for Tellor, there is no nakamoto consensus, it's just PoW for the sake of rewards, and a record of the inputs is already secured by ethereum, the only purpose PoW serves for Tellor is that it restricts the data retrieval reward to a small subset of nodes rather than all nodes that are requested to serve the SLA, thereby increasing the per node reward for a single job, but the expected value probably comes out the same as schelling point alone, just with more wasted electricity/computational resources

>>18414614
Be easy friend...

>>18414657
>$3.32

>>18414673
yes we will see $5 but get a hold of this train wreck called /biz/

>>18414710
my sanity is weakening, caffeine can only prop up my mind for so long, nevertheless, we will make it

>>18414746
I do not need to make it ... for me this is fun. that*s the difference you fool.

>>18412126
We’ve covered this shit as nauseum since the fall of 2017. The crypto community just needs to bend the knee already so chainlink can connect those eth and btc maximalists with the outside world.

>>18411850
You have to go back.

>>18411913
>>18411777
As these anons pointed out, vitalik is a fucking hater. I'm more convinced of it with every post that pedo makes. He has some sort of idealized world that only exists on the blockchain in his autistic head that can use provably decentralized data. That shit isn't how the real world operates or how the real world will get value out of block chains.

So any further questions to Satan or else, I can just forward now to the fucking noob who thinks he also represents?

Ok

>>18414657
Linkies starting to get really rustled by tellor

>>18412397
>After doing extensive research, Nazarov concluded that the GTX was the best shoe for ensuring the overall health of his feet. He's now on his eighth consecutive pair.
Money skelly can’t compete with this level of autism.

>>18408625
wow vitalik just completely dismissed him. it appears that vitalik hold sergey in only slightly higher regard than craig wright.

>>18410875
>it has made every single altcoin seethe so hard with its success.
Unironically this. LINK renders basically every alt obsolete for investment purposes. Why would you bet on a single platform when you can bet on overall smartcontract use with LINK? And that is all people are in crypto for. Vitalik was shilling garbage like fucking OmiseGO back in the day. He's a fucking fossil of the bullrun like the clowns at Neo and Nano, probably mad that ETH isn't important anymore. Can't wait for LINK to go cross chain.

>>18411822
>LINK shills coping this hard.
inconceivably astronomical levels of cope. it's a sight to behold. once l*nk starts crashing they will hold all the way down to the bottom.

>>18415150
So your saying link will be number 2 only to BTC?

>>18412870
i was being sincere anon
that is to say i value his opinion

>>18415237
Not OP, but it will be number 1

>>18415262

>>18408625
>Implying you or vitalik are smarter than Klauss Schwab
Lmao good joke trannie