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>>18407275
it's already #1

>>18407280
death toll nigger

>>18407275
Oooooh caaaan yooou shaaart

>>18407275
>>18407286

>>18407292
There is nothing wrong with being mixed race.

>>18407275
The death numbers are bullshit.

>>18407318
No shit. Not to mention that a lot of countries are only counting deaths in hospitals. But it's better than nothing

>>18407275
Ok, it's very simple:
take the italian deaths (the one that reported the cases without many jew tricks), the rate is around 10%, apply this to the 503,177, the real number in US should be around 50k

>>18407425
>implying that tested numbers are somehow more accurate than death numbers
Italy didn't test shit, their numbers of positive covid patients are artificially low

>>18407425
SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH YOUR RATIOS, IM A RETARD THAT DOESNT UNDERSTAND MATH

>>18407425
>>18407481
>take the italian deaths, the rate is around 10%
The infection rate is MASSIVELY underestimated (only very severe cases are even likely to be tested), and at the same time the death rate is MASSIVELY overrated since Italy is doing the same thing as here: >>18407318

The actual mortality rate is an absolute fraction of a fraction of what we're being told.

Are we still talking about this dumb corona shit

>>18407520
it doesn't really matter what the death rate is, areas hit with the infection are having their ICUs and hospitals filled with covid patients that need care to survive. Even if none of them die, they've locked out hospital resources. This leads to a net spike in mortality for non-covid patients.

if others are underreporting death rates then why are you too stupid to do the same, ameritards?

They are testing our sewage. They know by how much shit gallons pass through a tank in a matter of time and by testing that for COVID they are seeing reports of states that are suppose to have 16,000 cases and saying these states sewage plants suggest that number is actually 100,000.

They are seeing if we are upholding quarantine by checking our cell phone location data.

>>18407551
they are

OH MY GOD GUYSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
WE NEED TO
FLATTEN
THAT
CURVE

>>18407550
>areas hit with the infection are having their ICUs and hospitals filled with covid patients that need care to survive
Belgium has the third-worst corona death rate per 1M population in the world (not counting city states like Andorra), and the ICU capacity was only ever 50% filled (and plateauing).

>>18407552
>you can tell how many people are infected from sewage
oh boy

>>18407275
But why does it mostly kill niggers?

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/06/health/us-coronavirus-updates-monday/index.html
>In Chicago, 72% of the people who have died from Covid-19 are black, though they make up 30% of the population, officials said.
I thought it was a boomer remover, but now they're telling us it's a eugenic plague as well?

>>18407572
entirely depends on resources to get patients to these beds, and how the infection hotzones are distributed. For example it's not like Belgium was 50% across the board:

https://www.brusselstimes.com/brussels/104329/coronavirus-brussels-hospital-network-nearing-maximum-icu-capacity-iris-network-saint-pierre-uz-brussel-brugmann/

As a geographic region Belgium is pretty small, so this disparity is not so bad to circumvent around. But the distribution of resources in the US is quite different.

And everyone in the world is short on ventilators.

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>>18407639
>For example it's not like Belgium was 50% across the board:
It never is; the flu operates in hotspots too.
People are transferred as needed.

>And everyone in the world is short on ventilators.
Buddy, I just told you Belgium's ICU capacity was only ever 50% filled (and dropping).

>>18407678
>Buddy, I just told you Belgium's ICU capacity was only ever 50% filled (and dropping).
only because of social distancing practices, it'll start going up again once they drop all precautions and the second wave hits

>>18407694
>it'll start going up again once they drop all precautions and the second wave hits
Ah, so you're just here to fap to scare porn.

Corona is everywhere, the measures only slowed the spread they didn't stop anything.
One hospital tested everyone who came in, and 10% of everyone had corona without even knowing.

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>>18407318
Yeah, they are really underreported in the US

>>18407520
>The actual mortality rate is an absolute fraction of a fraction of what we're being told.
Delusional

>>18407520
No, italy is reporting as covid deaths every death that is related with it, not just deaths BY covid.
So, the mortality rate is actually around 10%

>>18407765
>they are really underreported in the US
Overreported.

Deaths are being counted en masse based on assumption.

>>18407773
> italy is reporting as covid deaths every death that is related with it, not just deaths BY covid.
Exactly, meaning the deaths are massively inflated.
Plus, almost nobody is being tested, so the infected are massively underrated.

The actual mortality rate is very likely well below 1%

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>Population of the united states is over 220 million people
>Population of spain isn't even 50 million.
>Italy is 60 million

This means that despite having roughly 1/6th the population of the united states they have the same death rate. And Europeans are constantly mocking Americans for being stupid?

Good job OP, you are incapable of elementary school math

>>18407803
are you italian? working in an italien hospital? if not quit talking out of your ass

>>18407821
*330 million
Just woke up and pushed the wrong button, whoops

>>18407318
This, extremely under reported right now. We know based on larger statistics that death rate is roughly 20%. We also know based on ICU statistics that the real death rate in a 0 healthcare available world (which we are inching towards) is roughly 35-50%.

>>18407569
what are face people?

>>18407803
>I’m retarded: the post

>>18407825
Italy is counting everyone who dies while positive for corona as a "corona death".
Source:
"Giovanni Maga from CNR told Euronews that in Italy a person who tested positive while alive or post-mortem is counted as a coronavirus-death"
https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/13/coronavirus-why-does-germany-have-so-few-covid-19-deaths

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>>18407845
>extremely under reported right now
Extremely OVERreported.

Deaths are being counted as "corona deaths" based on assumption.

>>18407858
Feel free to rebut.

>>18407803
>An estimated additional 180 - 195 deaths per day occurring at home in New York City due to COVID-19 are not being counted in the official figures. "Early on in this crisis we were able to swab people who died at home, and thus got a coronavirus reading. But those days are long gone. We simply don't have the testing capacity for the large numbers dying at home. Now only those few who had a test confirmation *before* dying are marked as victims of coronavirus on their death certificate. This almost certainly means we are undercounting the total number of victims of this pandemic," said Mark Levine, Chair of New York City Council health committee


You have no clue what you are talking about

>>18407318
>ITS FAKE FAKE FAKE NUMBER OF DEATHS SAME AS USUAL
BTFO

>>18407308
Ok, mutt

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>>18407932
This in no way changes the fact that the CDC says medical personnel are allowed to count deaths as "corona deaths" simply because they assume that's the case.
There's no reason why the people mentioned in your excerpt would not be counted as "corona deaths" under this CDC guideline.

You got that excerpt from worldometer by the way, and this is the source:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/us/coronavirus-deaths-undercount.html?fbclid=IwAR3zYCKrujnff9YnSvYld84PbfK9YCvIq0RZU0_Czv107jMzWtKExwgmMYU
"Paramedics in New York City say that many patients who died at home were never tested for the coronavirus, even if they showed telltale signs of infection."

Under the CDC guideline, these patients would indeed be counted as "corona deaths".

>>18407956
Yes, those numbers are highly inflated.

>>18407803
>Tests are very low
Compared to US population, they're doing 10x the tests
>>18407859
This is right, expecially to warn people to not act like asses and treat this as a common flu, like you're doing.

>Yes, those numbers are highly inflated.
Yes, pic related is the army bringing out the coffins in Bergamo, this is a very common thing you know, this is highly inflated situation.

>>18408081
>Compared to US population, they're doing 10x the tests
Italy? 2x, not 10x.

Virtually only severe cases have a shot at being tested.

>This is right
I know, I posted source: >>18407859
It means corona deaths are being overreported.

>Yes, pic related is the army bringing out the coffins in Bergamo, this is a very common thing you know, this is highly inflated situation.
It should be a common thing; in Italy in 2016 the flu killed nearly 50% more people than corona did.

>>18408081
>prevent normal funeral services from operating and insist bodies are cremated
>results in bodies laying around due lack of crematoria
>pics of bodies are posted in the media/online
>OH SHIT LOOK AT ALL THOSE BODIES THIS IS CRAZY
>results in drafting the army to transport the bodies
>pics of army get posted in the media/online
>OH SHIT LOOK AT THE ARMY THIS IS CRAZY

>>18407275
Nah, you gotta normalize it per capita because the US has a relatively high population. How many infected/deaths per million? We have about 1500 infected per million. A dozen or so countries are way higher.

>>18408188
>this is all an undercover media operation to make ppl stay at home and implant chips into you by vax!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nwo and the beast is getting here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>I'm awoke and i saw all the black mirror episodes!
yes

>>18408199
>We have about 1500 infected per million
yet

>>18407626
Because black people are poorer than white people and poor people are less able to A) take precautions to avoid the virus B) get proper care once they have it.

This isn't rocket science, pretty much any crisis is going to affect poorer/less powerful people more severely than rich people and in America, demographically, poor == black.

>>18408221
prince charles and boris johnson don't think so

>>18408213
Sorry to pop your bubble anon.

>>18407845
You cant be this fucking retarded unironically

>>18407552
>They know by how much shit gallons pass through a tank in a matter of time and by testing that for COVID
What in tardation

>>18407282
organize it by total deaths then retard

>>18408318
say that to my face fucker and not online and see what happens

Oh come on, we were #1 in something for once, gimme a break.

t. Spaniard

>>18408253
>"daily new tests in NY"
yes

>>18407876
>12 posts from this Schizo
The deaths and cases are underreported.

>>18408436
?

>>18408450
Deaths are overreported, cases are underreported.

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>>18408491
>"daily new tests in NY"
If you do the same number of tests, you have the same number of cases, roughly
>cases underreported, deaths overreported
seems logical

>>18409121
>If you do the same number of tests, you have the same number of cases
lmao yes if infection rates are stable.

>seems logical
Yes it does.
So the actual mortality rate is going to be vastly below the official figure.

>>18408221
Interesting. In Europe it's the immigrants who are overrepresented in the death statistics which I guess coincides with them being the poorest, despite the European free healthcare.

>>18409283
>yes it does
Only in your mind, if cases are underreported there are more deaths too, even if in your mind those are overreported

But time is the best prove, we'll see where this shit goes in burgerland

>>18409492
>if cases are underreported there are more deaths too.
Deaths do not go unnoticed, people with mild or no symptoms do.

Deaths that LOOK like corona are being counted as corona deaths.
That means a fuckton of deaths are wrongfully identified as corona deaths.

>>18409545
so there should be a massive dump in random diseases deaths and absolute numbers should be the same of the previous months.
Odd that the entire world is so much concerned about JUST A FLU, you're the only one that noticed that, just looking at charts.
This truth has to be made public, for god's sake!

>>18409578
>so there should be a massive dump in random diseases deaths and absolute numbers should be the same of the previous months.
On the whole, pretty much. There will undoubtedly be more deaths in absolute numbers, but that's mostly among the old and feeble.

>Odd that the entire world is so much concerned about JUST A FLU
No need to resort to platitudes; it's a simple fact that deaths are overreported and infection cases vastly underreported.

>>18408221
They are dying because they are idiots. They are also poor because they're idiots but that's another discussion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRVvMoEoItU

>>18409613

>No need to resort to platitudes; it's a simple fact that deaths are overreported and infection cases vastly underreported.
You say that 10% deaths is overreported, so maybe it is... how much? 5%?
You say that 500k cases is VASTLY underreported, so maybe it is ... 1500k?

So the deaths are HIGHER than those actual numbers, can you do the math or you're a coloured man?

>>18409672
Holy fucking shit you're retarded.

Deaths are recorded entirely independently from the cases.
My god.

>>18409734
how can you record a death if you were NOT REPORTED as covid, fucking imbecile

>>18409775
>how can you record a death if you were NOT REPORTED as covid
What in the fuck are you babbling about?

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>>18407552
>brown id
>poop tests
Checks out

>>18409775
Apparently some states are including non-chinavirus deaths in their death numbers so they can get more federal cash for being hit by the plague extra bad.

>>18409775
I think I just figured out what you were saying; how is it possible you're this dumb?

I said all the way at the beginning that deaths that LOOK like corona are being counted as corona deaths.
See >>18407318

My fucking god.

>>18407858
There is an extreme amount of pressure in most countries to not report corona related deaths to reduce panic. Look at Mexico for example. Very little corona deaths, huge spike in unknown cause pneumonia related deaths. Death rates are staggeringly underreported right now. Also plenty of people dying in their homes where they do not test those people and put cause of death unknown. But hey, keep being a fucking brainlet and go outside and to social gatherings. Darwinism at its finest.

>>18407275
hope this shit keeps spreading and that Trump relaxes restrictions. More waves and delays will help my financial position.

>>18409875
Source? And please don’t put “pol”. You guys really will eat up anything. Look at medical journals and look at the detailed death rate statistics right now. It’s literally the opposite. You can see visible spikes in deaths in multiple non corona categories. But no, those couldn’t possibly be coronavirus. I know you dont read shit but what your internet friends write, which makes you a fucking loser.

>>18410274
>I'm retarded 2: electric boogaloo

>>18410306
>Source?
See pic in >>18407318

>>18410274
In shithole countries maybe.
In the West, deaths are massively overreported.

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>>18407275
Yes yes yes but next phase of market crash when?

>>18409890
>srsly?
You already proven to be a coloured man, you're not entitled to call other people "dumb".
And you can't name god either.
Wtf society we living in?

Your logic is completely faulted, and your reading lame numbers to prove that "it's just a flu bruh" is old.
No one in the fucking world is doing what you say,
UK tried but had to go back.
Probably you believe that you're special and smarter than the entire world.
Yes, you're special, but not in the way you think.

>>18408491
Deaths are under reported. They only count people that died in a hospital.

>>18410377
All those words and not a single argument.

You failed to understand a very simple idea: that deaths that look like corona are allowed to be registered as corona deaths, without any actual testing or proof.
Deal with that.

>>18410372

>>18410396
No they do not.
See pic in >>18407318

Deaths are not certified in hospitals alone.

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>>18407572
The Flemish government is a disgrace. 66% of deaths today took place in care homes yet our ICU is only 50% full. They're obviously refusing to treat the elderly in hospitals in order to maintain the illusion that we're managing this.

>>18408450
>the guy who thinks there aren't houses full of dead bodies all over the country because of covid is the schizo
Nothing more pathetic than a doomer

>>18410398
You haven't a single argument, what i'm saying (it's not a flu bruh) is the reality, governments acting like it's not a fucking flu.

What you're arguing (it's just a flu bruh) is pure delusion, so you have to show me the numbers, the proves, the arguments, fucking nigger.

>>18407995
You're retarded. If a previously healthy patient developed covid symptoms, died within the covid timeline, of covid-like complications, then it's only reasonable to assume it was covid even if they could not test them. The alternative is going for the Russia approach and claiming minimal (or no) covid is present in Russia while their "pneunomia" deaths are going through the roof. That's far more dishonest.

>>18410445
>They're obviously refusing to treat the elderly in hospitals
No, the deaths in retirement homes were people who said in advance they weren't going to go to hospital in any case.

>in order to maintain the illusion that we're managing this.
If that were the case they wouldn't simply add the retirement home death counts to the official death count.

Imagine falling for the FAKE NEWS organization that is "coronapandemic.com" or whatever that site was.
Meanwhile our boys are literally destroying the chinese invasion virus.

>>18410491
>what i'm saying is it's not a flu bruh
So you're arguing a platitude strawman instead of the actual point.
Got it.

You lacked the basic reading comprehension to understand the very simple notion of "deaths that are assumed to be corona deaths, are officially counted as corona deaths". Time to cope.

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>>18410496
>it's only reasonable to assume it was covid
Maybe.
But a lot of deaths that were not covid are going to be counted as covid.

>>18410491
How about the fact that for months they were just diagnosing it as the fucking flu and they only stopped when they realized they could get federal dollars for hysteria and now EVERY SINGLE PERSON is diagnosed with coronavirus and flu has coincidentally disappeared entirely?

It's almost like the two are entirely interchangeable.

>>18410398
here is the deal if someone dies of severe pneumonia right now and he had to go on a ventilator after high fever and general illness it's 99.9% he got the sars-cov-2 and died of it.
so statistically anyone dying sever pneumonia right now is a safe bet.
then there are other symptoms doctors can use to differentiate mind you someone can easily have 2-3 infections at once.

>>18410579
>if someone has a fever and pneumonia right now he 100% has covid
Haha ok anon.

>>18410557
>But a lot of deaths that were not covid are going to be counted as covid.
in my country it's the opposite. anyone dying without being tested wont get tested and not counted as covid death hell if he had an ingrown toenail also aside from corona chan the cause of death will be unknown.

every country is retarded a differnt way, but statistics don't support what you are saying. actual corona deaths are looking underestimated worldwide based on infection rate and estimated mortality.
which means we are either just beginning or it's under reported as fuck.

>>18410497
Yeah, but they don't add them do they? They update the numbers every few days to include them as if they were outliers. This has been obvious from the start. Rewind a few weeks of VTM news and you'll see we had an ICU capacity of 1900 beds, to be expanded. No matter how many people were admitted we have never seen our ICU capacity go a bit over 50%. Conveniently we always have just enough new ICU beds to maintain that roughly 50% capacity.

Not to mention the disaster that is Maggie. She destroyed our masks in 2017 because they had expired, and failed to acquire a new stockpile, even a basic rotating system would have helped, in these past 3 years. Now the masks are a scandal themselves because we keep getting scammed by the local friendly sellers who happen to apways be friends of our ruling parties. Van Ranst is changing opinions and expert advice faster than the Fed is pumping. De Wever announced a couple of days ago he would not fine the people breaking social distancing rules.

It's times like these I almost get why having 7 parliaments and governments is a bad idea.

>>18410603
>severe pneumonia right now and he had to go on a ventilator after high fever
learn to read. covid has a very easily identified pattern how it kills. it's not unique but from the timeline the way the patient deteroirate and the symptoms doctors can easily guess. testing right now is problematic capacities are not there but this is worked on worldwide. by september we will have very precise and objective statistics.

>>18410534
>strawman
>i saw "how to win a debate" on youtube
>now i know that if i say the word strawman i can raise my chances
>i don't know what it means, but it sounds very istitutional
>i'm a coloured man
you need to go back to blebbit

>>18410578
Idk what the fuck is going on in the US, and i don't know what the rules to get fed funds are, so maybe you're right.

>>18408175
>It should be a common thing; in Italy in 2016 the flu killed nearly 50% more people than corona did.
Not for long. Corona-Chan’s gonna crank those underreported numbers up in the coming weeks.

>>18410626
>ventilator
What about the people who died at home?

>>18410631
CDC:
>if you assume it's corona, then count it as a corona death

you:
>you can't count someone as a corona death if you didn't test them while they were alive

HUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

>>18410677
Corona deaths in Italy are overreported.
See >>18407859

>>18410396
The CDC and media are doing everything possible to make this seem worse than it is. Multiple studies are coming out suggesting cases are underrepresented by 10x or more. The true mortality rate is well under 0.5%

>>18410677
Stop arguing with this imbecile, can't you see how retarded his arguments sound? He clearly lived in a quarantine for years and has any fucking clue about anything, basically making up stats to back up his retarded opinion.

>>18410759
>imbecile

lmao, see >>18410696

>>18410788
Arguing with niggers is completely useless.

>>18410835
I know, but I just can't help myself.

>>18410683
they need to get tested obviously. it's not very hard. but you could also write cause of death: idiocy. that would also be true. if you get to the shortness of breath phase call a fucking ambulance!

>>18411025
>they need to get tested obviously
The CDC prescribes simply registering them as corona deaths if you assume that's the case; without testing.

>>18410721
based on the infection rate known mortality in populations where it peaked and the time available it's under reported in every country.

>>18407572
I'm going to assume you're Belgian. I just watched de interview with prof. De Vlieghe, head of the corona exit task force, on één (19:00pm news). I don't usually bother with één but it's worth it for that interview alone.

She was figuratively shitting herself live on air. Second and third waves are expected. Borders will most likely remaim closed until the end of the summer. The measures will very slowly be dropped at some point, while gathering info and data, to tighten them at a moment's notice. She urges people to remain rational and got mildly panicky when the interviewer said some people had expressed a fear in their audience questions that the school would reopen first and children would be sacrificed for the economy and to serve as "proefkonijnen". She admitted there was a lot of pressure coming from certain market sectors. She let slip very clearly that we are at the start of overcoming our first peak, emphasized only for hospitals, and we could expect more.

Also, it seems the parks in Antwerp are filling up again because the mayor pre-pardoned all social distancing infractions. People now believe Antwerp is independently dropping measures and they are going out accordingly.

Fun fact, Antwerp is one of the EU's major port cities.

>>18411037
of course... altho if someone suffocates to death after high fever like i said it's a safe bet right now. mistakes will be in acceptable margin of error seeing as it's an ongoing epidemic with no other virus active on this scale with these exact symptoms.

>>18411038
It's overreported throughout the West.
For instance in Italy, Belgium, the US, ...

>>18411051
>Second and third waves are expected
Not "expected", but they are wary because it's possible.
These are scientists, they consider every possibility.
But previous corona epidemics (SARS, MERS, ...) did not have significant follow-up waves.

> and children would be sacrificed for the economy
Belgian virologists always advocated for keeping schools open.
Last week Van Ranst went on record lamenting the fact that schools were closed.
The reason he gave was that children (and young parents) are virtually unaffected, and they should've been building herd immunity.

>>18411105
>it's a safe bet
Maybe, but tons of deaths are being wrongly registered as corona deaths.

>>18407275
USA USA USA
>Trump caused this to spiral out of control

>>18411119
>It's overreported throughout the West.
nah, it's severely under tested and under reported. you can clearly see this from the base data the r0 and the time from first detection in each country.

>>18411143
>Trump caused this to spiral out of control
Trump was among the first to implement travel bans.
The EU even condemned his travel ban from the EU.

>>18411145
>under tested
yes

>underreported
Deaths are overreported.

Italy, the US, Belgium are all at the top of the world in terms of deaths, and all of them are very liberal with how corona deaths are regsitered.

>>18411145
also let's make something clear here. this shit is not going to be over before it infects 4-6 billion people and we have a few ten million deaths.

i absolutely guarantee you the official death toll will never reach this number.

and we have been very lucky this pandemic is so weak and mild. it could have been a lot worse. good training to prepare for the next shit. countries will learn proper protocol to keep appropriate reserves of safety equipment and icu capacity... this entire thing is actually a nothingburger compared to what it could have been. the overall death toll will be sub 0.6% imo probably around 0.3% about 20 million deaths is a good guess for the outcome if the virus doesn't mutate badly for us.

>>18411119
Van Ranst seems dishonest. Van Gucht originally predicted 500-600 ICU max for all of covid. I do understand that I'm slightly overreacting although I don't think it's unfair to criticize our response to the virus.

Yes, children are important for herd immunity but they don't just magically become immune within nanoseconds of coming into contact with the virus. They become infectious for weeks while having few or no symptoms. Sometimes tragedy strikes like the little girl in Gent who died. These children will spread the virus amongst themselves and then carry it back home. How many other children can one infected child infect if they sit in the same classroom all day? One parent infects their child, child goes to school, children get infected, children carry it back to their home.

It's ironic that this sounds pretty schizo but I don't see what I'm missing?

>>18411179
He defunded the CDC in a big way
Federal funding for testing has been pulled

>>18411219
and if you go from the official 100k deaths total compare it to the 20 million optimistic guess you will understand that this is fucking nothing yet. and given how infectious it is and how long the incubation is we are a fucking nowhere or more likely the deaths are under reported severely (because i don't believe for a second they had been able to effectively contain it anywhere there is absolutely no evidence of this).

>>18411219
>this shit is not going to be over before it infects 4-6 billion people
lmao ok doomer

>>18408350
> say that to my face fucker
Is that what you call your bull?

>>18411230
>They become infectious for weeks while having few or no symptoms.
Yes, so it would be important to keep them away from vulnerable persons.

They should've kept the elderly (and infirm) in strict quarantine, and let everyone under 55 just continue on their way.
This would've bred immunity at a much quicker rate, and would've saved tons of lives of elderly people.

>Sometimes tragedy strikes like the little girl in Gent who died.

>>18411303
there is no scenario where this pandemic stops under 4-6 billion infected unless mass vaccination happen before we reach 60% infected rate in the population.
given how long it takes to approve a vaccine for widespread use this is not realistic.

>>18407275
Bullish

>>18411179
Travel bans are relatively useless when the virus is already present and spreading. It was an acceptable move though. Everything that followed was a disaster, including today's statement that he wants to end all social distancing measures by the end of april.

>>18411230
>Sometimes tragedy strikes like the little girl in Gent who died.
It's very rare for children to get sick from corona, plus this girl's parents are immigrants who did not speak Dutch.
They tried to call an ambulance but ended up calling police instead, and then they were unable to communicate anything useful because they didn't speak any Dutch, English, or French.

>>18411348
>Everything that followed was a disaster
Not really.
He was very early to recruit big business in the fight against the virus for instance.
Belgium only recently followed suit by making big pharma process tests.

>>18411330
The UK wanted to do that until the simulations were leaked that predicted 1-2 million deaths in that scenario. Also, let's be honest. Could you imagine we had gone through with that in Belgium only to find out we basically have no protective equipment and can't even provide them for the nurses in our care homes?

>>18411381
>The UK wanted to do that until the simulations were leaked that predicted 1-2 million deaths in that scenario
The Netherlands went that route as well, and both the Netherlands and the UK are doing MUCH better than Belgium in terms of cases and deaths.

>Could you imagine we had gone through with that in Belgium only to find out we basically have no protective equipment and can't even provide them for the nurses in our care homes?
That's the thing; if we quarantined just the elderly, we could've concentrated all the resources we did have on that quarantine.

Now "everyone" went into quarantine, so medical staff for instance were wearing masks around everyone.

>>18407531
Right, bro? This China hoax is already OVER
These dumb fucks can’t shut up about their doomsday fantasy

>oh noooooo NYC is a mass grave
>infections everywhere! U.S.A. is going down!
Meanwhile nobody that I know or anyone they know about is getting this virus. I see nothing really bad in local hospitals. No impact except the economic damage which is imposed by some treaters in the DC.

>>18407275
Only 301 new cases in one day? Bullish

>>18411375
States are bidding against states and the fed for equipment. He threatened to ban export to canada of 3m masks which are made using canadian pulp and could have backfired easily (no masks, no pulp to make them then). Mexico closes a US factory making equipment yesterday. Etc.

Those are nitpicks though. My main complain is that he's a coward. His followers are ridiculously loyal. He leads the only party which tends to block free gibs. He might just be the only president who could wreck the economy, not give a shit about it, but focus on saving american lives, and get america through this cleanly. He shouldn't fear the stock market. The stock market should fear him. Why is he shitting his pants when it's everyone else who should be shitting themselves?

>>18411453
Most Trump haters say Trump is not showing enough fear, you're saying he's too afraid.
Some people are impossible to please I guess.

>>18411475
No. Let me explain myself. I mean that generally dems are the party of social gibs while the republicans care about the green lines going up up up. The green lines are irrelevant though. The stock market is hot air and BRRRR printed money. What matters is saving lives. The dems will impose social distancing because it's in line with their ideology. The republicans would favour keeping the economy on life support. Trump is in the unique position of being a republican president with personally loyal followers. He can apply pressure to the republican party while being immune to their general tactics. The first republican governor to refuse to implement the measures would get yeeted out of the republican party directly or indirectly. Meanwhile the dems can't refuse social distancing measures because the political backlash would destroy them.

Trump imo needs to apply pressure to the republican party, appear to extend an olive branch to the dems, and impose consistent social distancing measures. Any economic damage can be "fixed" in congress with gibs and bailouts which the dems will support if enough gibs and the republicans can't refuse if Trump proposes them.

He should fear the virus I guess. Not the stock market.

>>18411348
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1yCPR-ukAgE55sROnmBUFmtLN6riVLTu3&ll=27.039217813923493%2C10.554827036593224&z=3
yeah i glanced at this map in the beginning of march when it barely had any registered cases or deaths on it and i knew it's not getting stopped simply too late. i could easily see the real infection rate behind those numbers based on the cautious estimates of the virus parameters.
there was nothing anyone could do at that point aside from full lockdown and shutdown and isolation worldwide for 2-3 weeks. even that is not a sure bet. but i also knew that would never happen. it was at the time unimaginable. so we will suffer greatly for the folly of retards that said "it's just a flu bro"

i am reasonably sure based on all known facts of demographics time and incident rate in neighboring countries also migration patterns of workers between home and hot zones that in my country the death rate is under reported by a factor of 10. in other countries it may not be so bad of course not all are equally retarded.

i'm an optimist i really don't think hundreds of millions will die. i think we will grow up to this shit and it will transform society a lot. working from home was never really efficient before. now we are forced to make it efficient. this will have a profound effect on big cities and the "silicon valleys" of this planet.

retail will get even more delivery heavy. contactless payment will have it's revolution... exciting times.

>>18409613
>No need to resort to platitudes; it's a simple fact that deaths are overreported and infection cases vastly underreported
denial is strong

>>18411617
>Meanwhile the dems can't refuse social distancing measures because the political backlash would destroy them.
No they would just return to the narrative they used in the beginning, when right-wingers were more afraid of the virus than the left. They would say social distancing is racist, that masks are more dangerous than the virus and that germophobia is a right-wing trait having much in common with xenophobia. Sorry, but the left already burned that bridge.

>>18407956
This is the first one I see where the death rate actually changes from the average, mind to share more like this one?

World is committing economic suicide over fucking boomers, enjoy the last days of comfortable everyone.

someone post 51% boob girl

>>18411132
And as this thread has shown, tons of deaths aren't being reported as corona deaths. That's important to keep in mind as well.

>>18407318
New yorkers dying in their homes aren't recorded as covid-19 deaths.
2,500 nursing home deaths are largely being ignored
So yeah the numbers are bullshit - it's actually much worse

>>18412553
yeah but probably not nearly by that much in the us as it is in some third world shitholes.
the more authoritarian a regime is the more it sees giving out real information and actual data a sign of weakness and the less it believes it serves any good to inform the public of the real reasons for a decision.
the us has a culture that values informed decisions and fact checking and responsibility even if the president doesn't.
do not for a second believe any numbers coming from countries like russia, china or kazakhstan or north korea...

>>18407569
>IF I USE THIS PIC THEN I WIN THE ARGUMENT OMMGGGGGG

>>18407275
Reminder America uses a vey liberal count method for the virus.