/biz/ - Business & Finance

Should I go long on Zoom?

>>18405830
Zoom has even less reason to deserve its price than Uber

>>18405830
zoom is a pile of shit for retards. get a stake in bluejeans, videxio, or pexip

>Green Futures

>analysing stocks by sector
>market cap
>share price
>current and forward P/E
>2018, current, and forecast EPS
>PEG
>equity
>revenue
>gross profit & margin
>total debt, long term debt, EBIT, total interest paid
>all gearing ratios (debt/equity, times interest earned, equity/assets, debt/assets, long term debt/equity, etc)

what else should i include in my meme spreadsheet?

>>18405858
Weird bots scraping smg for speculative buys isn't impossible kekkies, LCI to 60 is >_<

reminder that there is no final opec+++ deal

bro i want to speculate on IMTKA until next earnings but im from Germany and they blacklisted connections coming from Germany. Who here knows about the income and debt situation of IMTKA? i cant have a look into their financial publications pls hlep

>>18405868
Search for Martin Shrkeli finance lessons on youtube.

Reminder that jerome has trashed all assets that AREN'T stocks. The bubble of a lifetime is here.
Nothing is priced in its just there is literally nowhere else for cash to go.

>>18405885
t-thanks

>>18405888
gold, bitcoin and cash is still safer than stocks though

>buy 1 k shares of NIO for 2.5k
>wait 10 years
>become a millionare

It is that simple. Or do you hate free money?

>>18405888
bullish as fuck
long AMD NVDA and MSFT

>>18405882
fuckoff back to krautchan incel
pic related

>>18405830
fuck chinkshit.
Zoom is straight up the next Luckin Coffee, possibly worse
>Please understand, loyal american consumer! We routed your private communications through Chinese servers out of necessity! It was just a convenient location!
The guy also worked for Cisco's WebEx before Zoom, I wonder how much IP he stole.

I've really never hated China so much... I wanted to think the stories on 4chan from anons who did business in china were heavily exaggerated.

>>18405888
that's false though, bonds and USD are doing well. CAD looks like uhhh maybe it's bouncing back a bit?

Sorry leafs... try not to let your leaders get infected next time?

Oh and silver is totally fucked an I can't believe how many idiots Shifty Peter Schiff got to buy his bags.

>>18405872
True that's possible but seems less likely than CARV being a coincidence? Honestly I don't see the charm or humor, he's a conman shilling shitstocks. Has he ever picked a stock that didn't go lower once he started shilling it?

>sentiment analysis has been wrong the entire 2 weeks now
I have never lost this much money in my entire life.

>>18405931
>gold
Dumb investment since you are basically hoping that fiat currencies collapse then somehow restart to give it value.
>bitcoin
Highly volatile asset. Definitely not something boomvestors would understand or be comfortable with.
>cash
Yes. That and stocks. Bonds, real estate, commodities that aren't libertarian rocks, etc. are all absolute trash right now.

>>18405945
>that's false though, bonds and USD are doing well
Like I said, cash and stocks. Bonds are absolute garbage right now. All the high yield ones were bought up Jerome and the near zero interest rates means you just lose to inflation right out of the gate.
All the fucking inflation is going into the stock market unless you want to sit on piles of cash.

>>18405926
They are actually pretty good. He teacher the standard valuation modeling, bit it's interesting seeing how he thinks about it given that he did it professionally (which you won't get from a lecturer or textbook). Obviously he subsequently fucked up big time, but that's not due to his valuation skills.

>>18405934
>i post this in every thread ecks dee

>>18405934
>buy 0.00001 otc pennystock
>wait 5 years
>sell for 1000000% gains

>>18405960
I still think the market has another ~15% drop from here, maybe not a complete retest but a leg back down though.

Yeah, I should've bought HYG or JNK as soon as I heard what the fed was doing. There's always TIPS if you really worry about inflation. And a really interesting new fund called IVOL: Quadratic Interest Rate Volatility and Inflation Hedge ETF. (Probably a meme etf)

I bought some $T on the 7th for the dividend. Do I have to continue holding until it's paid out or can I sell whenever?

>investing in airlines right now

>>18406079
You just KNOW

>>18405561
>Hydrogen power? No idea, they used to be a meme here but I never looked into them
Why hydrogen is a meme for you?

>>18405949
>>Highly volatile asset
so are stocks right now. thats the point anon

Hahaha we only up up from here lads

I hope you bought the dip because we are OFFICIALLY back to normal!

>>18405817
Don't forget to invest in the meme trifecta: RTX, NET, BAM

>>18406118
>so are stocks right now
how? All they do is go up look at the graphs.

>>18406127
zoom out

>>18406079
still the ultimately retarded and irrational market stays retarded and irrational.. so its all gambling. everyone thinks the bottom is not in, and just because of that it is in. just like flights stopped and boeing suddenly increasing in stock value

>>18406079
unironically priced in

Delta is gonna make it

>>18405966
i watched a few of them years ago and dont remember a great deal from it, i just wanted some potential indicators when i analyse each sector, but then again each sector is different

>>18406079
doesn't matter, the airlines will run without actually doing any business, as fed nigger-fed zombie companies

>>18406141
>still the ultimately retarded and irrational market stays retarded and irrational.. so its all gambling.

hey, at least you admit it. come to the TA day trading side, we have cookies, and high probabilities!

>>18406137
I zoomed out as far as I can. Graph go up and right. May have some noise in it but that is all it is, temporary noise.

any TA bros here with ES predictions?

What do you guys think about CARR? I'm looking into the stock and the company, and it used to be part of United Technologies before it separated into its own company last month. United Technologies merged this month to form Raytheon (RTX).

Is anyone going long in this market? I have a stocks and shares ISA with £20000 in it but no investments

What are your thoughts on oil? Do you guys think will be coming back?

>>18406229
Oil will fucking orbit when we go to war with Venezuela and Chyna next week

>>18406104
hydrogen is a money burning machine right now.

NEW BULL MARKET FAGGOTS STRAP ON

>>18406190
got more of pic related?

>>18406190
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrya1aH3Er4&list=PLZpt37abrD9FuCt6blOvO7Own1XB9xVRt&index=1

you're welcome.

>>18406307
in europe "green" stocks just keep climbing because hippie boomers are putting their money in "green" funds. so hydrogen just keeps climbing here

>>18406190
There's not much to say other than it's looking very bullish, if we break 2850 and closes strong above it we will most likely head to 3100 in the short term. Closing above the 2850-2890 range will be tough and we might see a ~7% retracement from that area back down to 2650

>>18406331
no sorry

>>18406344
thx

Where my /coffeesquad/ at

>>18406345
i was talking about the companies. no matter which hydrogen company you look at they all have net loss. but if the hype is as strong as you say, money can be made here with speculation of course.

>>18406320
i've been thinking about this lately, in the context of the market being forward-looking. it may legitimately be back in bull market territory in the sense that the market would be looking forward to the flattening curve and Trump considering sending everyone back to business as usual on April 30th, or at least around there. i think that is what the market is "looking forward" to, and expecting it to work out well.

if it happens, and shows signs of NOT working well, expect a major dump. it's what the future thinks is going to be happening in the future, like a couple of weeks to a month in the future, not what's happening now. the crash happened before everything was locked down globally iirc, so it's a leading indicator of what the economy is doing. think of it like that.

>>18406361
aaww man shit. but ok

>>18405931
>bitcoin
>only used by drug dealers, scammers, and third world shitskins whose state currency is basically toilet paper

>>18405885
ISN'T HE THE BAD GUY FROM THE STAR WARS??

>>18405817
The market is going to drop again, right guys? I hope so because I didn't buy enough cheap stocks.

>>18406366
here, and checked. just finished brewing and got back to my bedroom. booting up Hades while letting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrya1aH3Er4&list=PLZpt37abrD9FuCt6blOvO7Own1XB9xVRt&index=1 play in my 2nd monitor, 16oz thermos (i drink my coffee slowly over the course of the entire morning). i've been busting my ass working all week but today i have 0 responsibilities as a result. just get to enjoy my coffee and my games and my stonks and my shitposting, what a time to be alive.

>>18405931
>Indices dropped 30% in a month
>Bitcoin dropped 60% the same month

Yeah, totally safe

>>18406457
>>18406366
also while we're at it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVBEqVuF60I

>>18406478
based.

what the fuck, I'll cook up another irish coffee before bed, this one will be a decaf.

>>18406497
i just drink dunkin donuts brand coffee, but i have a technivorm moccamaster and get the whole beans to grind up myself at home. i like 1% milk and 2 sugars to get that nice comfy taste. how i can profit off of this in the stock market though, i have no idea.

>>18406478
>>18406497
>>18406522
>>18406457
Based lads, keep it up and stay safe

>>18406124
Hold onto RTX or sell and wait for another dip?

Happy Saturday. Is he right?
>Buffettunloaded 869,103 sharesof Bank of New York (NYSE:BK) on April 7 and 8 to add $30.9 million to Berkshire’scash pile

>>18406366
Coffee would be great for this hangover
Think ill brew some and make eggs and bakey

>>18406666
Literally just rebalancing

>>18406369
>they all have net loss
why did this happened?
>>18406369
>but if the hype is as strong as you say
to carry money with hype must appear a lil bit ''concret''.... look at crypto in 2017
Probably we won't have hydrogen for the next 30 years
So biotech is a potencial candidate for hype

>>18406643
Hold, retard. Why would it dip?

>>18406675
what does this even mean? How are they rebalancing?

>>18406666
thats such a tiny position for him though isnt it?

>>18406643
Taking half profit to buy more when it dips is often a good idea. Sometimes it takes weeks or months though, so I'll get frusterated and think I fucked up until I get another chance.

I did it too early with KO and PEP, just sold a few shared of each a few % above breakeven, but they were making up like 20% each of my equity in that portfolio. Worst outcome, I'll have free cash to buy a different stock if there's another sale.

>>18406666 (checked)
STAHP
Does this shit site pay you or what?
Here, we covered this earlier:
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>>18402579
ALSO:
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>>18406761
yes it is. this is stupid. newspapers are stupid

>>18406673
Enjoy bro

>>18406702
>Why would it dip?
It's a stock. They go up and down.

And RTX just completed a merger at a bad time for adding to their non-defense business. Now they have much more cyclical and aerospace exposure, and we're at a point in the business cycle where those cyclical stocks will do very poorly. And the demand for commercial air travel will NEVER be the same, now that telecommuting has been forced on people so even the boomers are seeing the benefits.

Eventually, the business cycle will bottom, and RTX should preform well then. If you want to use them as part of a barbell approach, you have my blessing.

Never fall in love with a stock.
Stop shilling and go back to stocktwits.

>>18406683
>why did this happened?
i dont know. i guess the hydrogen fuel cells are not profitable enough yet or they dont have enough customers yet, or both.

It's over for the USA

should i take a loan and buy a fuckton of shares for 1-2 years? i have no money to invest right now but i see a lot of potential long term.

>>18406754
Changing positions or relieving their portion of equities for their bonds or what have you. Say they bought 869 10y bonds, they have a 1:1000 bond to equity ratio, they need to remove 869k equities from their holdings to represent the given risk/yield profile.

>>18406799
new wallpaper :^)

Is it worth buying a shit ton of TQQQ on opening bell? I think we're going to gap up hard.

what is this facial expression? i can't tell whether i should include the negro in the background or just focus on her face alone.

>>18406883
thats what i am doing right now. made some money but i am not advising this right now. you could possibly do it if you can stomach it and if you dont take retard decisions.

>>18406913
never buy any of this QQQ shit, long or short. pick regular stocks or options.

>>18406883
Lol you will lose it all this isn’t going to recover for years man

>>18406913
Do you want to gamble or do you want to trade? Your idea is baseless and genuinely unpredictable. Even if it does gap up, the trend can reverse just as fast, all it takes is is a few seconds to lose your ass.

I suggest trading, buy in a trend and set a nominal goal and take when you hit that. At least try to cover your cost basis when you do gamble.

>>18406941
Hell of a lot less risk than options

>>18406918
You just KNOW

>>18406951
>for years
thats what people said back in 08

>cases leveling off
>evidence that rather than mutating into a more deadlier disease a more benign version of the disease has been spreading
>every state west of louisana is crushing the virus, likely have a weaker flu-like strain being passed around. Probably the same in Korea, Taiwan, and Japan
>tri-state area appears to have gotten the italian rape strain, NYC and NJ suck fuck em'
>doomsday estimations way off
>german town had 2% infect but 15% already possessed antibodies leading us to believe the disease if both far more infectious and far less deadly than we though. Also btfoes the reactivation and "everyone can get reinfected theories"
>probably will be no deadlier than another flu season
I was a doomer but even I must admit this shit is over

>>18406079
why yes i did make 35% on my investment in a week investing in AAL how did you know
now im waiting for the inevitable crash when people realize airlines aint gonna be flying shit for the next few months so i can buy back in

>>18407010
08 took 6 years to recover dumbass and this is way worse.

>>18407010
You should read up on the continued QE that lead into this crisis. Repo jobs from '08 were still being carried, and are still being carried to this day. And the very same concepts that the '08 fall was predicated on, have been displaced and carried on by other means, one being buybacks, and the next predatory auto loans.

>>18406377
if everyone goes back to work at 30.april the curve isnt going to stay flat even if it flattens until then
people didnt miraculously become immune by staying at home

>>18407023
wait for the second wave to hit and the economic fallout that will be visible in a few month.
the health crsis might be at an optimistic point rn but were far from "this shit is over".
im not a bear, but we need to keep in mind that another drop will happen the day this shit gets out of hand again.

>>18407023
>he thinks this is about the chy-na virus

Just wtf is the appeal of bonds
You have to buy 1K in USD or EUR minimum and there aren't enough 1-3 year maturities
Who the fuck would buy a 30 year italian bond? Gtfa with this shit. I'd rather buy dividend stocks

What the fuck is going to happen to oil on Monday, bros?

>>18407085
This. All illnesses known to man could be eradicated tomorrow it wouldn’t matter I’m still shorting

>>18407075
I dunno. Multiple countries and doctors are seeing a ton of asymptomatic cases and antibody tests have shown waaaay more people (people that were never tested for bat aids in the first place) have them than expected. Even some countries that have done jack shit to block the disease (the netherlands) are seeing cases fall off

>>18407099
It will probably go up then down or down then up, hard to say

>>18407023
Diseases tend to mutate into more benign versions because it tends to be beneficial for it to not kill it's host.

Can't survive in a dead body after all.

Fuck Chyna, fuck Jim Acosta, and fuck the Mainstream Media.

Can someone explain why tesla is back where it was in january?
Is all of this going back to all time high by the end of the month?

>>18406118
Stocks are significantly more regular even at the current volatility rates. It's because of multiple factors including vested interest by real big guys (more big guy volume, governments, etc.) as well as better oversight and more infrastructure (virtually every coin exchange is a scam, and outside the US, you're hard pressed to find a way to buy online at all), causing a significantly higher volume of all classes of investors, including gamblers. In combination with age of stock market vs coin market, it means infinitely better distribution in stock market which controls for a lot of the potential shit that happens on the daily in the coin market. Coins behave like chink company stocks (the kind of chink company, in particular, that cook their numbers - i.e. virtually all of them -)

>>18407119
Asymptomatic cases develop into symptomatic cases, though.

>>18407125
RNA is non-living, it doesn't direct anything. You could hypothesize that benign versions are more capable of spread, but the fact of the matter is, is that's wrong. You could have a model that's totally asymptomatic for 2 weeks and then causes rapid degradation in two days with an 80% death rate, it'd have a better chance of proliferation than a virus that shows symptoms in 2 days and presents only mild risks over 2 weeks.

The reason the market is not dropping harder is because everyone knows this is just a complete overreaction to something just as bad as the flu. The bull run continues.

>>18407199
We'll see. A 50% retraction is usual before a second phase. Historically speaking, if this is really bull territory, this was the smallest bear market ever observed in history, even when considering mini bear markets (the smallest until now having been 2 months with a 16% drop), despite being as potent as a major bear market drop off and despite breaking every record tracking bearishness.
Because of this, I don't believe it quite yet.

>>18407199
The market does not reflect reality 1:1.

>>18407217
>>18407199
If we didn't have the FED brrrr pump it would have looked far worse

>>18407023
Most of your data is wrong or cooked. Japan does not have 'a mild strain', they weren't testing until relatively recently because they were hoping they could keep the olympics. They started testing only after it was confirmed it couldn't possibly happen this year.
There is no evidence of any mutation or of multiple strains spreading.
There is no evidence that any estimate so far has been right or wrong. Reminder that testing volume affects reported volume.
Same with muh germeme town example: 2% weren't infected, but rather 2% had been tested AND were positive. This has MANY moving parts you don't account for: the rPCR-based test had a 40%-70% false negative rate depending on the developer, and over 20% false positive rate (this is endemic to PCR-based methods, they are too sensitive to the primer design and thus never reliable until decades after a disease could start being studied, at which point we know enough about the sequence and its (putative) functional sites to design a primer that will work almost all the time rather than merely rarely).
The only people peddling the reinfection theory were mass media retards, BUT there is no proof that there can't be reinfection. T-cell priming isn't forever, which is why you need vaccine booster shots every so often. In some cases like tetanus, T-cell priming ends a few weeks after the shot is taken, making it completely useless except when you suspect you are at risk (the point of the shot, in this case, is to forcefully prime the immune system before the disease actually spread).
Finally, nobody ever said it was deadlier than the flu except mass media.

>>18407236
Sometimes the poison is the cure, sometimes it's just poison.

>>18406457
God damn it anon you beautiful disaster that sounds amazing

>>18407188
Well yeah if you just start changing everything about the virus you can imagine up one that could be less successful while also being less deadly. That doesn't change the fact that all else being equal, less deadly viruses are more successful.

>>18407297
t. retard

>>18406951
>brrr

>>18407302
bear cope

Oil is down today.

>>18407199
The direction taken isn't about the virus, it's about the reaction to it. That very overreaction is why the market faulted so hard. Let's face it though, the emperor stands naked before us, and disrobed as he is, the machinations that were blinding us before are so readily visible. The economy is faltering not because of the virus, but because business had unbelievably poor fiscal policies. Had they saved and built a shelter to weather these storms, they'd be better off. But instead they sheltered under debt and drove up prices in an imaginary manner through buybacks. Their income is cut across the board now, and their prices are in decline, they're verging on defaulting so the Fed has to cut them some new cash, more debt, but instead of being investment debt it's debt designed to keep the company running, filling the gap where income would exist. They can default on this, or it can be re-amortized, but it exists as a liability nonetheless, making every company that gets bailed out far less appealing since they'll probably have 2-3 months on their books they ran hard red.

>>18407271

>>18405817
Pic related are all the ETFs the Fed is going to be buying.

>Be your average looking street prostitute
>Too stupid to actually do anything useful in society other than flipping burgers for $9 an hour
>Whore yourself out online
>Buy a house in your early 20s

Can you imagine sitting in your chair, jerking off on a cam and getting half a mil annually that you could then invest and pretty much become financially independent within in a few years? Females truly have it hard in today's society, huh?

>>18407271
>There is no evidence of any mutation or of multiple strains spreading.
I thought something like 40 genetic variants are being tracked right now?

>>18407335
>although the majority of purchases are expected to be IG

Wtf, do I have to wait until the 15th for my Trumpbux to clear?

>>18407339
>dream house
>some shitty suburban cottage
she needs to dream bigger

>>18407199
>america has over 30% unemployment right now
>that's over 30% who no longer have disposable income to spend
>"bullish"
So uh do you know what an "earnings report" is or do they not teach that in special ed?

>>18406800
Stocks can’t go down numb nuts

>>18407075
The market is going to drop because the fundamentals are absolute shit. Jerome Powell can print dollars until 1 sack of potatoes makes you a billionaire but that still wont save this trash market from the correction.

>>18407368
ok doomer. are you still denying that the stock market has nothing to do with the economic situation of companies? i mean just look at tesla.

>>18407339
hoeing has never been more lucrative, even for average looking slags

>>18407339
this plague was not powerful enough.
anything non-extinction level isn't powerful enough.

>>18407335
The fed literally has boomer tier taste

>>18406124
2 of these are actually good stocks though

>>18407340
I realized after posting that that was a pretty awkward formulation, what I mean isn't "there is no evidence of mutations" but "there is no evidence of mutations spreading alongside the main strain" and even then what I really mean is "there is no evidence of functional mutations spreading alongside the main strain".
That said, here's a caveat about mutations: a snp is a kind of mutation but it doesn't necessarily mean anything about the strain (it depends where the snp is located). All the amount of mutations at this level means is that PCR-methods are especially likely to fail, not that the virus is going to react any differently to any chemical, exhibit any other symptoms, or anything like that. Some of the mutations that were reported so far are more complex (transpositions, insertions and deletions of large stretches of RNA), but here again it doesn't tell you anything about function. Such non-trivial mutations are better indicators, but still no evidence. All they say is that PCR is even less likely to work (PCR can still work with a few off-bases on the primer, but if you're targeting a deleted region, you're obviously fucked).

>>18407343
Yeah. I'm splitting my buys between FLOT because it's the lowest yielding IG, and ANGL because it's the second lowest yielding HY but HYS is actually up on the year while ANGL is still down.

>>18407422
With regard to this topic, saying any mutation is a different strain is like saying you and your brother are two different animals because between the two of you, you have some mismatched alleles.

>>18407355
It was the only spare house her paypig had on hand. Cut him some slack.

>>18407393
That's exactly why it's doomed to drop. Not giving a shit about a company's performance and just buying based on what are basically memes? Yeah I'm sure that's sustainable.

>>18407466
i think it will rise because of hype and hope, fall because of people securing gains and sometimes fear. this will go on and on and everything will be fine. we are not living in the time of Benjamin Graham anymore, dont get too caught up in your """"fundamentals"""".

>>18407030
>made 35% in a week
>realistic
>i try to tell people you can make 1% a day on average (5% a week)
>no anon that's impossible

????

>>18407511
If you're for real then just use a secure tripcode and post your specific trades before you execute them.
You make 3-4 correct calls in a row people will start listening. If not we'll call you all a worthless tripfag and you go back to being anon.

>>18407511
Dude... that’s 100% impossible. This is a crazy time with huge volatility, most days the market is a flatline. Look up how much 1% a day will get you in 2 years. Probably millions from a 50k investment. Trust me when I say you will not do that consistently.

>>18407511
1% a day consistently is insane

>>18407545
pretty much

1% a day makes you a billionaire

Is someone short GME?

>>18407594
Which is to say

how many billionaires do you know who went from 50k to a billion in a few years playing stock market. It just isn't possible.

>>18407545
Nope. Only 7-8 million

>>18407545
AMD is never a flatline, certainly never all day. the significant part is "on average", you don't seem to realize that some days you'll make more than 1% too.

>>18407535
it would probably be easier to show the signals i get on historical data and what your P/L would be at the end of the day if you took every valid trade. you don't have to be right 100% of the time to be profitable, it's mostly about risk management and getting the best entry signals you can get. i'll think about just posting "AMD is going up" or something here on occasion, though.

>>18407648
Just do it under a secure tripcode and make predictions that can be proven true or false after the fact.
If you start really piling on 35% a week, believe me people will notice in a week or two.

A bunch of facts:
>the 23rd of March was the bottom
>we are NEVER going below the 23rd March line ever again
>global pandemic is over and the curve is flattening
>Coronavirus has no more potential to grow as fast as it did and will never reach even 10 million cases
>death toll will be lower than 2 million with most of the workforce still able to work after the pandemic
>China will be internationally blamed for this crisis (this is the beginning of the end for Chinese commies - they will never regain their international reputation after this)
>all of the risk of bankruptcy is already priced in
>government will bailout every too-big-to-fail-company with the use of QE and brrrrrrrrrrr (so with the taxpayer money)
>the worst case scenario is higher than average inflation which you may get protection from by dumping the USD and buying stonks

tl;dr
FUCK BEARS AND FUCK CHINA

cope

>>18406377
If people go back to work and then COVID cases skyrocket and we get lockdown again, not only will the bottom drop out of the market again, but Trump and various governors will have egg on their face majorly.

>>18407696
>cope
why yes you are copeing why point it out in your own post?

Does anyone here do /taxes/ and how do they work

>>18407809
>not just committing tax fraud
ngmi

Someone please tell me why we are back to where the stocks were in October.
It doesn't make sense

>>18407879
it does

we lost 3 months during the outbreak and it's now priced in

>>18407879
Markets look forward
There is now a general understanding that this thing will most likely be over by early 2021, possibly sooner
People are losing their jobs in the short-term, but long-term prospects are still positive
Everyone was expecting things to get bad after a certain point, the market was only blindsided at the beginning but now understands the general mechanics of what's going on

>>18407898

>>18407910
>its just one year of lock down and halved economic activity bro

oil is kill. rip
AND I MAKE A FUCKTON OF MONEY WOOOOO

>>18407930
Yes
And it's expected
Literally non-memeingly priced in
If it wasn't the markets would have crashed the last two weeks when unemployment data came out
Everyone knows that it's going to be bad, why would investors panic at news that was in the accepted parameter of bad now? Things would have to be even worse than that for the market to remain low

>>18407951
i highly doubt that,
most expect this to be over by summer right now and it wont
we will visit 18k or below atleast one more time and the recovery is going to be slower when people realize this isnt over in 2 months

>>18407951
>If it wasn't the markets would have crashed
they tried to, several times.
trump's USSR-tier monetary policy is keeping it lifted.

>>18406079
>not buying airlines or cruise equity
You will have so much regret when you look at the charts a year from now

>>18407910
of course long term prospects are positive. They've always been so.
I think we'll have a bigger economy by 2050 but even so.

Lads, will we ever get real market growth again or will it just be stock buybacks from the giants inflating the Dow higher and higher?

>>18407910
You think return to normal is going to be a straight forward process? How many times have you had to apply for a job?

This shit is going to be a long ramp up for most business, they're going to test waters before they resorb employees, meaning they're going to selectively re-employ the best workers. They'll probably re-issue their terms as well, and likely that will mean pay cuts. Anybody taking bailout money is assuming more debt liabilities, as well, and that's to cover skeletal operating costs. That means not only are they losing normal business, but on top of it they're paying rent, employees and etc... with only net loss. Depending on the strictures emplaced in the future to mitigate further rapid outbreak, business will continue to suffer. And depending on public response, there's a good chance we could see a second and more severe outbreak in wave 2.

>>18408101
>real market growth
just embrace the FED cum pump

>the future
it's bright lads

USA first place by deaths. This country just always wins. Market green as fuck monday open.
Less people alive = less money to be distributed by the Government = less inflation means economy is stronger and stocks are more valuable now.
BULLISH.

what are some good divvy stocks guys plan on or already are accumulating? So far only KO and OLN for me. Just been DCA'ing while all the crazy shit has been going on. Thinking about accumulating some VLO starting at the end of the month

>in 4 years s&p 500 jumps 60%
>meanwhile inverted yield curve
>"clearly real growth and not a bubble"
>crash only drops 35%, not even enough to drop 4 years of "growth"
>already back up to only a 16% crash
>"v recovery"
if Monday or Tuesdays are not blood red, the market is confirmed for the fakest and gayest thing to exist on planet earth.

>how long untile dow back to +-1% a day and /smg/ back to page 10

>>18408193
this lol imagine better against Jerome and his unlimited money printer

>>18407648
No, nobody with half a brain will ever believe historicals. Historicals are hindsight and anyone can get 90%+ winrate at 5:1 profit on them.

>>18408378
>fakest and gayest
are you new here, that was confirmed a while a go

>>18406203
Well we're poised to have warmest summer in history supposedly. But cool/dry/ not humid environments foster coronavirus apparently.

Bullish or simply priced in?

>>18408426
this will for sure make me buy stocks at ever increasing prices!!! i'm buying all the fucking casinos and restaurants!!! hell yeah america

what else should i include in my meme spreadsheet? UNLIMITED Q.E.

>>18407356
Don't they all get some sort of covid payment

>>18408426
Bullishly priced in

>>18406366
Right here fren. I have work in 4 hours, just chillin & seeing what /biz/ has info on
I went all in on KOS & Marathon Oil. Marathon has made me a ton of money already. KOS is a little shaky but I have a good feeling about it.
I also dipped into XON. I’ve made a pretty penny but it’s a little shaken as well. PDS too. Overall I’m at a 7% increase in value

>>18408474
my meme watchlist consists of:

GUSH
GALT
SNSS
ONTX
LCI
SPCE
RTX

>>18407356
t. literal inbred

>>18407984
the problem with your idea is that what you say actually has to happen first before the market reacts to it. it's not even that you're wrong, so much as the market is expecting you to be wrong and will continue to act as such until something major changes that isn't currently expected.

the main thing to remember is that wall street is run by literally the smartest people in the world so they probably know better than you, a random anon NEET. you can conjecture all you like but those people think we're going to be fine currently, just like the market was crashing when we still had a lot of "it's just a flu bro" going on, remember when everyone was like ITS JUST A FLU WHY THE FUCK IS IT CRASHING??? this is the same thing but in reverse. you're basically "ITS NOT JUST A FLU WHY THE FUCK IS IT MOONING???" lol

>>18408512
Add gme to this.
And my pick is abeo

>>18408422
The tests comparing corona survival rates on various surfaces showed only marginal decreases in corona colony sizes even past 37C.

>>18408526
kek how could i forget GME

P.S. when the fuck are we getting those antibody tests that will let us know if we already had the coronavirus or not? i really want to know wtf that super flu i had in february was.

Govt check for 2400 coming next week. Thank god.

>>18408554
This. I'd love to know how many "healthy" people had it without showing symptoms.

Watch the gov't isolate the positive testers from at-risk people in the near future...sorry Grandpa, I'm not allowed to see you in person anymore!

>>18408524
>wall street is run by literally the smartest people in the world

>>18408512
LK

You're all going to make it, I can feel it. Check them

>>18408583
yes im sure you're smarter than literal MIT graduates who got a PhD in Mathematics.

>>18408568
>pay 7000$
>corporation take 4600$
>anon get 2400$
happy

>>18408619
Intelligence > Education

>>18406799

brah i have accepted my fate. Oil calls will make or break me over the course of next year. I'm all in.

>>18408619
Smart people can be really dumb too.
Smart money is dead. It's all about clever money now.

>>18408507
>I went all in on KOS & Marathon Oil.
at what price did you buy them?

>>18408619

>>18408512
Don't forget GE

>>18408512
Please don’t put a major defense and aerospace company in with those dogshit companies. Buy TMDX btw.

>>18408650
Marathon is a good price at $4 (currently $4.22)
KOS, 85-90 cents (I literally missclicked & typed in 95 cents like the true autist I am, so I fucked myself) but I believe that it’ll bounce up when it does.
KOS was at $1.03 a couple days ago. If I wanted to cut a small profit then & play safe I could have.
I’m in these oil stocks for the long run

Okay, I am fairly bullish with all that's going on and unlimited money supply, but is there anything that market has not priced in yet?

>>18408668
Whats up with GE? Theyre such a huge company thats been around forever and have been absolutely floundering the last several years

>>18408709
Piss poor management, buried in debt, don’t exist in 10 years.

>>18408693
Just let them think it's a meme lol
more bags for me and the gang

>>18408619
>ran by boomers with PhDs from 1950s/60s mathematic courses

>>18408512
We had a anon here with a smg-meme-folio. I wonder how he does. He never responded back.

>>18408709
GE is a lesson to all that bluechips aren't unfuckable like some are assuming with XOM. It takes a few bad managers to financially destroy a stable company.
Another example is OXY with Vicki Hollub, the diversity hire, who turned their previously fine balance sheet into a shitshow when they not only out bid CVX on Andarko but also fucked up that deal so much buffet had to get involved by providing funds in exchange for waiting on the sidelines like the vulture that he is to acquire and or sell the company for a really low price.

>>18408709

Having been "around forever" isn't really a good thing in American business, just means that you're too big and conglomerated and turning into a dinosaur that can't adapt to economic changes. They're probably the next Sears, their pitiful attempts to modernize have been gestures at best.

>>18408767
Did he kill himself after SNSS hit a dollar a d dropped to like 30 cents? Coronavirus has made this board better since no one talks about shitty penny biopharmaceutical stocks anymore.

>>18408767
Probably hung himself from all the losses that SMG induced on him financially.

>millions of americans going without food
>food banks unable to sustain the surge for much longer than a few weeks if this continues
bullish?

>>18408814
BVLLISH

>>18408046
Most airlines will come back but a lot of cruise liners are just dead

>>18408814
green monday confirmed

>>18408802
>>18408810
He had just a little bit in everything to keep track of smg's performance. Probably 2k$ all in all.

>>18408827
I'll probably be joining him soon I have RTX and OKE. The meme stocks in their industries.

When do futures open up? I'm shitting myself over oil

Ask yourself
>Did I want to go on a cruise before this whole thing? No.
>Do I want to go on a cruise now? No.
>Did all the boomers die off or lose a huge chunk of their retirement? Yes.

Cruises will fail.

>>18408814
Poor bastards

>>18408814
Well, almost all Americans need to eat a bit less to lose weight, since they are obese. Losing weight is healthy. Also people will be more hungry once coronavirus is over so there will be pent up demand to visit MCD and SBUX.
This is clearly bullish and not been priced in, Monday green.

>>18408882
Cruises are pretty cool, lots of families go on them, college people too. Their industry is still fucked

>>18408866
oil is dumping next week

/rtxgang/

>>18408814
Bullish for RTX desu

>>18408925
It already dumped.

>>18408882
Maybe a ton of boomers die today, but Coronachan will blow over way before all of the millennial and zoomers of today become the old farts who go on cruises.

>>18408935
yeah it did into the meeting, way down. and it's going to continue next week

>>18408894
The pent up demand is probably in gyms.

>>18408814
it still boggles the mind how the world is THIS unable to cope with the sniffles. it's like the whole world has been living paycheck to paycheck it's fucking insane and makes me furious every time i think about it.

>>18408945
Nah, cruise lines are dead. Get in for some quick brrrrrr gains but once earnings come in and they start faulting on debt they're fucked.

>>18407420
Which one isn't a good stock?

>>18408882
I hate huge crowds of people
even medium sized crowds of people

>>18408994
all those people in line for food are very well fed, probably big SUVs and new iPhones
they're there to get free stuff because they can

>>18408814
there probably people in food line driving a ferrari...

>>18405817
BLDP
JNUG
SPCE

The Speculator’s Trifecta. Join me lads in a prosperous future

>>18408954
Uh what? Oil stocks went up by 12% after the meeting
Russia & Saudi Arabia agreed to stop pumping so much oil. So did mexico.
There’s a low demand for oil right now, obviously, but when the country opens up its not like no one is going to need oil anymore. It’ll shoot back up.
Don’t sell your oil stocks because you think it’s going to dip down a little lmao. Stay in them for the long haul.

>>18408693
>>18408854
>>18408929
>>18408934
desu RTX isn't a bad company, its just over-valued currently and is getting shilled for the fun of it, so its on the meme list

>>18409049
My RTX average is 60 so I don't know if I overpaid in the long run or is it fine as intended to hold this stock for life.
We are never going to stop missiling people as it is a viable foreign policy and china/venezuela looks like they are aching for a tomahawk up the ass.

>>18409032
what kinda fucking graphs are you looking at
oil and oil futures went from +% to dumping back to monday levels before closing despite "positive" meeting news

Whats your guys rule of thumb for gains? Do you take all your profits at 15% or higher or do you sell half?

I never tried risk mitigation and think I might because I am in oil stocks mostly with gains.

Meme Trifecta: RTX, NET, BAM

>>18408765
Anon is that a Twin Peaks gif?

You dirty dog!

Fuck off Europoors and slanty eyed pricks
USA #1. We are hitting dow jones tier levels

>>18409110
Just move your stop loss up a little bit each time to lock it in

Is monday trade or not?

>>18409139
What are you, norm Macdonald

>>18409031
redpill me on JNUG

>>18405934
Electric vehicles are normal in china
Chinese want imported luxury, not domestic
NIO refuses to move to a market where they would quadruple sales in a year, here in the US.
They're retarded. Sorry, I'm a holder as well, but I'm not longing after the next jump. Fuck NIO

>>18409105
>he uses mathematics when investing in the stock market
Oh no nO NO NOOOOO!!!!
Dude. It’s not about profits and numbers. It’s about how people FEEL.
People see huge dip in airlines, they bought. Look at airline stocks now. They are all WAY UP despite not even being OPERATIONAL.
Same thing is going to happen to oil now that people have heard Saudis & russia making a deal.
It not about NUMBERS
it’s about what people THINK

>>18409162
just look at it dude. its a fucking boomer-metal ETF that has been eating shit since it was created

>>18409180
except futures imply that they are going to dump even harder next week.. you know the thing futures is all about

Stonks I bought for 30% to 60% cheapies after the coronavirus tanked the market

AAL, DAL, JBLU, LMT, BA, DIS, HON, C, TSLA, T, MGM, WYNN, PM, KO

I'm losing my marbles over the industrial sector.

Caterpillar, Royal Dutch Shell and Rio Tinto are what I'm looking at because I know those names. Now what troubles me is I can't find any moat these companies have over their competitors. Trucks are trucks, oil is oil and ore is ore. Nobody has an edge. Is there something I'm overlooking here?

I thought exposure to commodities is required for a diversified portfolio but this decision is giving me trouble. I can't find arguments for choosing these companies over Komatsu, Exxon Mobil and BHP for example.

>>18409201
You’re literally retarded I’m sorry, your financial degrees are useless in the real world

Do people actually believe there will be a V shaped recovery?

>>18409208
Xom are ran by retards, shell is probably the most solid oil major there is

Besides Greggs and Games Workshop, what are some other /biz/ approved Norf stocks?

Be something if NET is 50 a share next year; aka ESTY like. People shit on them to, the laughing stopped once it hit 70 per. Then the talk will be "why didn't I bag NET when it was 20 something when I had the chance".. At least that's how I hope things will play out.

>>18409226
please don't tell them
I want to see them screaming

>>18409226
I think brrrrrr until q2 earnings

Red monday incoming, lads

>>18409161
Ah he wouldn't come here to this PERVERTED.. and MORALLY BANKRUPT website, no, he's the kind of guy who prefers the simpler folk over at reddit, like cows in a field, very zen-like.

Although I'm sure he has a lot of free time these days.

>>18409287
people haveve been saying red Monday for weeks and it's been green as fuuuuuuuck.

>>18409326
Jesus alone will carry this board to greener pastures, wealth, and wisdom.
We are his flock, and we must follow him to greener lands.
He rises on Sunday, and so will the stock market Monday.
Thank you Jesus, the Son of God.

>>18409161
Also don't forget to check out his new hit series on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/NormMacdonaldLive

It's all the rage!

>>18409313
You're the funniest person since David letterman

Just going to leave this one again for all the bears out there

>>18409313
flattery will get you nowhere~

>>18409348
Jesus Christ, Gods anointed who died on the cross for our sins and he rose on the third day. My Lord forever, thank you

>>18409213
literally just google oil futures wtf are you on about

>Oil deal collapsed
>Government small business loans still not being dispersed
>Trumbux will take several weeks to reach people
>US nowhere near ready to do widespread testing and contact tracing

The future is looking red boys

>>18409406
I got my Trump buxxxxx bobo

AAL and DAL are unironically safe bets right?

What's your favourite business confidence youtuber that hypes you up so you can trade hard?

Any nice anons want to shill me on some small cap growth companies? For now I just have WKHS, looking to buy a few more in this coming dip

What’s the deal with VIAC? What caused them to miss earnings this much in Q4 and will Q1 20 be different?

>>18409406
Wtf are you talking about? Literally everyone agreed to cut oil production

>>18409406
>Oil deal collapsed
>Government small business loans still not being dispersed
>Trumbux will take several weeks to reach people
>US nowhere near ready to do widespread testing and contact tracing
priced in

for the stonks to collapse something really major would have to come up - like some bank going bankrupt or Jerome not having enough trees/paper to print

>>18409442
Yes. We already passed peak corona, and it was a literal nothing burger, stock market never collapsed. Anyone with half a brain or an IQ low enough to rely solely on their gut feeling knows this.

>>18408824
no.

>>18409441
>April 10, 5:05 AM

>>18406377
Also Chinese companies are re-shutdown due to lack of orders

>>18409435
what

>>18409162
Don't do it. I made 100 bucks off it but was NOT worth it. Could have made a LOT more on real stocks. Many people aren't so lucky and they lose it all on jnug

>>18409453
But Warren buffet sold a ton of shares!!! He must think there's another drop!!!!

>>18409442
>Jerome not having enough trees/paper to print
It's time to put our bountiful national forests to good use for once

>>18409032
there is no opec deal yet. hope you are not investing, you have no clue anon

>>18409406
>>18409226
Wave B almost complete. Stick to the plan bobos. We test ~1600 next month. Recover to 2700 or 3000 in 2-3 months then comes the actual big drop to 1300.

>>18409471
Yeah, and the average price of oil stocks rose by 12% later that day
You missed the gravy train bro.

>>18409517
Gosh darn Mexico

>>18406377
Eh I think it will keep going up for at least a few weeks longer, but the April 30th date will get pushed back. New York has already canceled school for the rest of the year and more and more grocery workers are getting sick.

I’m just taking my profits day by day, not holding anything longer than I have to

>>18409231
Fang is good

>>18409441
read the news anon

>>18409531
actually I never respected Mexico before I heard how they fucked over the rest of the market with their oil deals. good for them

https://mobile.twitter.com/Amena__Bakr

>>18409517
>>18409531
Fake news. OPEC agreed to oil production cuts. Mexican government disagreed with OPECs decision.
No one gives a fuck about what the Mexico governmento thinks.

>>18408378

>>18409587
"Fake news" and you screen shot CNN

>>18409587
>>the final agreement is conditional on (mexico's) consent
read it yourself before you post it anon

>>18409538
i liquidated everything early in the crash and have just been day trading ever since lol. i learned my lesson from the US China trade war around july/august of last year when Trump initially put tariffs on $300 billion of chinese goods and everything went to shit. i don't fuck around with world habbenings anymore, if i get so much as a whiff of some global habbenings i liquidate everything. obviously my 401k doesn't count since im holding that for decades but any time some shit is going down i get out of all of my long term holdings or swing trades and won't hold anything overnight until things return to normal.

>>18409587
Do you have any idea how OPEC works? Now everyone is going to pump extra oil under the table despite what they "agreed" to. Oh and btw, surplus is 30-35 Mbbl/d so a 10M cut (with EU not doing its 5M expected share), is not bullish.

bought $2k worth of Marathon at $3.24
bought $1k worth of Discover at $32.05
bought $1k PSEC at $3.91
bought $2k ABR at $4.19
bought $5k NRZ at $3.06
bought $1k GME at $3.43

Thanks 0% BT offer on my credit card for helping out. Sold Discover @ 41, sold Gamestop at $4.05, going to keep the REIT's and Marathon for now but have limit sells on those if we have a crash

>>18409647
this. also np way norway brazil and usa is gonna pressure it's companies into cutting. it would be straight up illegal

>>18408814
>food bank

>>18405872
> >_<

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>>18409763
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>>18409763
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>>18409763
>>18409763
>>18409763
get away from here
>>18409763
>>18409763
>>18409763

>>18407023
>all the fucking brainlets responding to this truthful post with "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO KILL US ALL NOOOOOOOO" like their little pea-sized shitbrains can't comprehend that they've been lied to and manipulated like the useful idiots they are

makes me kek every time. /biz/ is a great place to see the dunning-kruger cretins in full-force.

>>18406344
holy shit, meme lines overload

Is there a decent chart to give a quick look for stonks? I want to monitor this one:

IE00B03HCZ61

Is there something like bitcoinwisdom.io?

>>18409442
>all major economies stopped
>priced in

>>18406022
sell on the ex-dividend date or later and you keep the upcoming dividend.
T payed on the 8th though

>>18410666
>>18406022
Oh my mistake. 8th was ex-dividend. So I guess you're good to sell.