/biz/ - Business & Finance

Goodbye nothing burger. Hello MMM.

OIL

Don't forget to invest in the meme trifecta: RTX, NET, BAM.

>>18401912
is gonna dump

>>18401910
hello MMM !

XOM < SCO

Comfy market theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duDlzSgwEnI

long BAM

Praise be to God

>when you watch the news as an RTX holder

Buy puts goy

>>18401894
Anyone have the /smg/ required viewing pasta? Looking for something to entertain me for a few hours.

>>18401924

>>18401983
essential boomercore
I like it

>>18399484
>Thoughts on Barron's?
I like their daily podcast "numbers by Barron's"

https://www.barrons.com/podcasts/numbers-by-barrons

So how's oil looking bros? I'm planning on entering calls on XOM on Monday.

>>18401679
source??

>>18402019
OILY

>>18402005
>"numbers by Barron's"

Thanks, anon. I will start listening to this on Spotify.

>>>18401679
"Buy High Sell Low: Follow the lizard brain" by I. P. Freely

You know, I was just thinking about stocks today and I realized something. The lower a stock's PE ratio, the more money you can expect to make over the long term. Literally all you have to do to maximize your returns in the stock market is just run a screen to find the lowest PE stocks on the market and pick a handful of them. Then you can just buy and hold, waiting as your money rolls in, maybe replacing stocks every once in a while as their PE ratios become too high.

>>18402117
bro....

>>18402117
Congratulations, you've discovered "value investing."

Think I'll take a break from the net,computer this weekend. Spent much of this week at it doing work shit so a break would do me good. Might turn the phone off to, dunno I'll see how I feel in the morning.

can we agree that the generation born starting this year is the cororonaboomers

Partial list of zombie companies in January 2019

>>18402117
dude

>>18402117
>why yes, my company has low PE, high Price/Book value, low Debt/Equity and high ROE, how could you tell?

>>18402117
Maybe if you actually did a screen and looked at the companies with the lowest PE, you'd suddenly realize you are retarded.

>>18402146
Nobody will remember this in five years.

>>18402186
>No one will remember the months the world stood still.

>>18402044
If you're interested in a couple more daily quickies, you might also want to try FT News Briefing and The Economist Morning Briefing. Sometimes they talk about the same things, but The Economist and FT are more likely to cover UK and world events you may not hear about otherwise.

Don't want to overwhelm you though, it's easy to get burned out.

>>18402033
I think it's this:
https://epdf.pub/bear-market-investing-strategies-wiley-trading.html

>>18402146
9 months from now would be next year... but I don't really expect this to change breeding habits. There will be anecdotal stories, but how many people are going to think now is a great time to have kids if they weren't already planning on it?

UK arm of Yahoo Finance put up an article talking about the US/Mexico deal to hopefully satisfy OPEC's ask of Mexico on level of cut. According to article, Mexico proposed the deal and Trump said yes. OPEC negotiations are not over yet and are set to continue in to at least Saturday. No new news in this article, it just talks about why Mexico is being stubborn and roughly how the US deal came about:
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/unexpected-holdout-global-oil-production-215435000.html

https://www.ccn.com/30-million-stock-dump-proves-warren-buffett-is-bracing-for-a-market-crash/

bullfags, how do you reconcile with the fact that the king of investing thinks the market is going to crash again?

>>18402256
I believe he sold some airline positions. These editorial doomer article are a little late on the news. 30 mill is not a huge number for Berkshire. Or even really a significant one in light of their total equity and cash holdings.

>>18402256
You already posted this bait.

The famed investor's conglomerate disposed of almost 860,000 BNY Mellon shares for about $35 each, trimming its stake in the bank from roughly 10.4% to 9.8%. It likely wanted to reduce the added regulatory burden that comes with holding a stake of 10% or more.
Berkshire's remaining stake in the company is worth about $3.3 billion.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/warren-buffett-berkshire-hathaway-sold-30-million-bny-mellon-stock-2020-4-1029081968

>>18402212
There was an alien visitor?

>>18402256
>the king of investing thinks the market is going to crash again
I'll wait to see what he has to say at the annual shareholders meeting. Next month?

All BERKSHIRE has done is trip a very small amount of airline stocks and a regional bank, so they're now under the 10% threshold, an important level for SEC regulations and public disclosures.

Is this CCN site one you use often? Is it all clickbait bullshit, or is anything on it decent?

>>18402186
oh we'll definitely remember this

it will either be that one time where Sweden fucked up and killed a bunch of it's population, or that one time Sweden was the only country to behave rationally, and the western world forced all it's people to lock themselves up, get fat and emotionally unstable, and halt the economy.

>>18402302
>comparing to something that didn't happen ever
You compare it to the other happening retard. The last "happening" on this scale was 9/11 almost 20 years ago. You are allowed to stop being retarded any time you like. Ok retard?

ccn should be ignored, it's absolutely terrible. zero information content, just clickbait with a fn -esque css theme

>>18402324
I remember all. I have names for every year I have been trading:
>2016 MAGA
>2017 dude weed
>2018 rape hikes
>2019 CHYNA TRADE WAR
>2020 Corona chan

TURN ON CNN

KRAKATOA IS ERUPTING AGAIN RIGHT NOW

>>18402349
Huh?

>>18402349
This is bigger than 9/11, more like "9/11, the dotcom burst and the entire Global War of Terror"

Corona is literally an era changing event

>>18401894
Price crash on uncertainty, everything else is priced in.

So, what else are we uncertain about?
>Lock-down induced mortgage crisis.
>Lock-down duration
>Political fallout of relation between country.
>Real effect on economy

Feel feel to add more to the list.

Also, correction, especially big ones last months. and actual bear market last even longer. why everyone is talking as if this is already over?

Personally, I don't think it's gonna revisit the lows. But this thing is not over. Especially if the lock-down get extended and pop the housing market.

>>18402391
There's a good video of it in this article:
https://noticiasenlamira.com/lm360/explota-volcan-krakatoa-en-indonesia/

>>18402186
can we just ban trumpniggers outside of /pol/

Greeley meatpacker here

Our plant recently shutdown because people are starting to drop like flies. Everyone on my shift including me is sick (waiting for confirmation of tests to prove covid) nobody wears masks. the union doesnt give a shit.

My point is, this entire industry is fucked right now and nobody is really talking about. All the workers know, management knows, cow auctioneers know. Nobody is buying cows at market because more plants seem to be shutting down. These farmers are left to cull their cows. Milk is being dumped. This is a huge industry and nobody is batting an eye towards us. The food supply chain is starting to crumble

If I dont die from the virus I will die financially as this is all I know and my company is closed

>>18402256
> c c n
> favicon is a skull
> every article is batshit clickbait that looks like it got left on the cutting room floor of the chinese propaganda ministry
the sad thing is there are real people who actually fall for this stuff

>>18402420
>>18402391
(it isn't erupting at this very second)
livestream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2UoZ6x2gxI

>>18402432
neato

>>18402178
I was doing that very thing in the meanwhile. Here's an example screen that I ran on Finviz. Here's a pure screen that filters for stocks with positive EPS and sorts by PE ratio from lowest to highest. We can that the results yield a result set with not just good sector diversity, but also with strong foreign exposure. Knowing that the long-term return on a stock investment should approximate the earnings yield (earnings over price, or the inverse of the PE ratio), we can see that these stocks offer very promising returns. For instance Oi S.A. has a PE ratio of just 0.01 (we might want to independently verify that before purchasing any stock). Warren Buffet has spoken of the idea of buying a dollar for fifty cents. This is like buying a dollar of earnings for a penny. Imagine the long-term return on this one.
https://www.finviz.com/screener.ashx?v=111&f=fa_pe_profitable&ft=2&o=pe

Now, I couldn't help but notice that Berkshire Hathaway (BRK.B) is listed here with a PE ratio of 0. There's no way that could be correct, so I would probably exclude that one from the list, but the rest of these are probably winners, especially as a diversified group.

>>18402424
file for unemployment and get some dayquil for two weeks until you recover and have immunity
literally 0.05% death rate for people under the age of 60 with no major pre-existing conditions
the virus is nothing, the response is idiotic

also it's hayfever and flu season so you almost certainly have something other than covid unless someone at your meat factory went skying in the alps recently

>>18402424
You know....you could just completely bypass the fucking markets and sell directly to the customers and smaller markets correct?

>>18402424
why are you killing the moo moos
why not just let them wander around the green pastures and be happy

>>18402353
>>18402428
thanks

there's so much damn information out there, it's very hard to tell these days what's worth my time. Maybe I should even be ignoring news about stocks, economics, and finance. Feels like there's probably more productive things to learn about.

Something tells me Dalio and Buffett and the other investors don't read/listen to news all day. And I know the great CEO's and thinkers are probably busy focusing on other things or reading actual books/journals and planning.

>>18402391
>turn on cable news
lolno
I'll go to CSPAN or reuters or even fucking twitter before I'll go to CNN, MSNBC, or FOX News.

>>18402432
thanks bruh.

>>18402410
Yes, thats what I'm saying. Its this retard that thinks this is a nothing burger >>18402400

>>18402445

>I would probably exclude that one [BRK] from the list, but the rest of these are probably winners, especially as a diversified group.

bro....

>>18402424
>meatpacker
Why isn't your post in spanish?

>>18402349
>>18402459


there are a few other things to take in consideration >>18402411

>>18402445
If you want to do P/E, look for companies with fairly decent market caps, probably about 10 billion. Also look for PEs around 10, thats value but still profitable and not something absurd. PEs are like dividends, too high and something is fishy, too low and it isn't worth your time.

>>18402451
the people want megacrops they recognize and trust anon

>tfw Trumpbux is pending in my direct deposit

Feels good, mane.

>>18402424
can you post some sort of JBS/Greeley paraphernalia? An ID with your info blacked out, a hat or something with the logo and a timestamp?

Sorry man, but you'll get unemployment bucks AND stimulus bucks and who knows what else the gov't will shell out the longer this drags on. It's the people who were out of work before this started that are fucked.

>>18402511
Buy Canadian stocks. Thanks.

>>18402459

>>18402449
>nothing burger fags still exist

>>18402256
PRICED IN AND BULLSIH AS FUCK

>>18402445
denbury on that list is going bankrupt, that earnings data is from Q4 of 2019?

>>18402411
>here are reasons everything is fucked
>I don't think it's gonna revisit the lows
Excuse me?
You also missed:
>mass unemployment
>rampant business bankruptcy
>Oil companies in death spiral
>Manufacturing still hinges on China
>Credit card defaults
>worldwide negative growth

>>18402411
value of the dollar once velocity picks up and checks / deposits are issued for stimulus.

>nothing burger fags still exist

>>18402256
sold airlines to be sub 10% and listed as a holding company...

>>18402449
>>18402529
>haha just a flu bro
>back to normal soon
>V shaped recovery

>>18402178
>>18402445
Now here's another interesting screen that I ran. In addition to searching for the stocks with the lowest available PE ratios, I also was curious what would happen if I added combined that with some additional metrics of value. For instance, besides PE ratio, what about price to book? Ideally I don't want to just be buying the future earnings at a discount. As a stockholder, I'm purchasing a share of the business, and I also want to be buying the business's assets at a discount too. This is probably a less important consideration, as the long term earnings yield, and therefore the long-term return on investment, is the inverse of the PE ratio, but ensuring that one is not overpaying for the assets offers at least a small margin of safety. So I was conservative here and stuck with a PB ratio of less than 1. One problem resulting from this additional criterion was that it ended up including more financial companies than I liked. You don't think about it, but these companies probably have grossly overvalued assets on their books (e.g. mortgages that people are going to stop paying) that pump of the book value over what the assets are actually worth. So I decided to add some additional value criteria to try to filter those losers out, with some success. There are some financial companies remaining here, but hopefully the additional filter criteria add enough of a margin of safety that we can not be too bothered by their presence.

>>18402574
hows seeing your president extend the lockdown going for you nigger?

>Canada has a president

>>18402568

What happens on Monday?

>>18402615
>canuck /pol/fags

>>18402598
>literal fucking garbage
>Fucking CHINA XD
>Things under 100M market cap
Bro, maybe actually look at what these companies do? These all look like fucking SHIT.

it's over for the usa

>>18402598 (continued)
Looking over these results, we do have a fair degree of foreign exposure, though clearly more of a US bias than the first screen. One stock in the results that I've seen mentioned positively on this board before is Big Five Sporting Goods Corp. (BGFV), which I hope is a positive mark on this screen's results. We can see that the PE ratios are significantly higher than those of the results in the first screen, but still are reasonably cheap. An investor could expect to receive the price of his investment back in just a few years of earnings in the highest case (4.36 P/E). We have reason to suspect that, due to the higher PE ratios, this portfolio should deliver lower long-term returns. However, it does so, with probably a much larger margin of safety than the former portfolio due to the additional screening criteria, for which reason I'll term this portfolio the "High Earnings Yield Plus" portfolio. Therefore, we can recommend this second portfolio to the more conservative, risk-averse investor, while the former can be recommended to the more aggressive investor.

Here's a link in case anyone is curious about my exact filtering criteria or would like to look into these results further.
https://www.finviz.com/screener.ashx?v=111&f=fa_curratio_o1,fa_ltdebteq_u0.5,fa_pb_low,fa_pe_u5,fa_roa_pos,fa_sales5years_pos&ft=4&o=pe

>>18402636
green

because /biz/ now believes monday will open green, i can safely assume monday will open red

>>18402648
Not yet.

>>18402636
The entire country will have trumpbux to play with, some will use it sensibly but a lot will put it in the best bull since the 70s market to "double" them. I expect green.

>>18402304
>so they're now under the 10% threshold, an important level for SEC regulations and public disclosures.

I believe Buffet literally said this last month

>>18402673
>>18402655
Wouldn't someone just buy them out?

>>18402568
>>18402570
>>18402623


Ok, right now what's being priced in is the V-shape recovery,

Stock go up because

>People think there would be a V shape recovery.
>People think the bottom is hit after the virus plateau.
>Stupid bears getting squeezed

Both of those lead to fomo

I don't think this is the end because:

>Bear market and big correction don't end in 1 month.
>We did not priced in the possibility that there won't be a V-shape recovery.
>Bad earning may be priced in maybe not.
>The geopolitics of all that happened.

Also the FED can't QE forever because of danger of Hyper inflation and the other country don't like to have their US reserve inflated into noting.

However, I won't be surprised that we hit 3000 for the SP500 before crashing again.

>>18402662
Monday every likely to be green

What do you guys think about CARR? I'm looking into the stock and the company, and it used to be part of United Technologies before it separated into its own company last month. United Technologies merged this month to form Raytheon (RTX).

>>18402681
>Monday every likely to be green
/biz/ has been consistently wrong. /biz/ was overwhelming bearish last week, lost money (including me), and is now wildly overcorrecting. /biz/ embodies the average investor: Buy High, Sell Low.
i bet monday will be red

https://www.strawpoll.me/19747928

I vote "No idea."

>>18402742
Posts like this are why it will be BLISTERINGLY green on Monday

>>18402742
>>18402765
Well I think It should be blood red because everything is still fucked, but then remember we are in clown market which means it will do the opposite and be green.

>>18402648
we're unironically just getting started.
we're just about to take the gloves off and remind people that we are actually in the drivers seat of the world order.

>/biz/ is ALWAYS wrong
>just do the opposite of what /biz/ says
So /biz/ is wrong about being wrong? Thus the opposite of what /biz/ says is actually to do what /biz/ says?

>>18402765
but im in the minority, so itll be red. if enough people on /biz/ agree with me, then it'll be green. i ought to keep track, so i know if my puts my print

>>18402743
This is from last weekend. It was green btw.

>>18402800
/biz/ is always wrong about the market specifically. /biz/ is not wrong, for example, about the size of the earth or the color of the sky. /biz/ is only wrong about stocks.
its ambiguous whether /biz/ is wrong about bonds and currencies. that remains to be determined

>>18402742
/biz/ wasn't bearish last week. Bears crying over their expiring puts doesn't mean we were buying more./biz/ was crabish last week and we might have been wrong but intra day it didn't feel like it. /biz/ is just always going to get bogged even if they predict right.

>>18402743
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=nikkei+225

Nikkei was green

>>18402799
this is a domestic issue, a failure of governance. sorry bro, its over.

>>18402636
I am so unhappy because I was betting on this, but was too greedy and picked expiry too soon. However, it might not be too late, this kind of bullshit will probably make it green.

>>18402598
please listen to the 5-10 billion market cap limit. Otherwise you will find only shit.

>>18401944
CVX > XOM

>>18402847
CVX is ass, it's practically already back. Classic biz, sell low buy high

>>18402791
That's what I'm doing. I lost my fucking shirt, all the way from 500k to 100k, trying to "time" the "inevitable" dip after the dead cat bounce.
It never came. This market is no longer rational, and its okay as long as you give up to madness and repeat after me.
>Buy the dip
>Stocks can only go up
Thanks to unlimited QE and various other reasons, the stock market is now detached from the economy. Stocks will go up even if it makes no sense for them to go up. By trying to time this drop, many of us not only lost money, we missed out on a 25% gain from the bottom of SPY back to where it is now.

>>18402837
what the fuck are you even babbling about?

>>18402908
>400k
Fuck man that sucks. I lost 100k on this shit myself.

>>18402905
Yeah its back because it didnt sell off much. It didnt sell off much because its better than XOM.

https://www.strawpoll.me/19747983

>>18402585
not just the flu but not impacting the working demographics in any meaningful way. if anything just freeing up money for families by culling dementia ridden bedweights

>>18402559
I'm not sure about that. I ran another screen on the Value Line Investment Survey website, and saw nothing about bankruptcy proceedings mentioned in the analyst commentary, though I noted that it was written back in January, so may not have taken the events of the recent oil price war into account. Now I did a search and found this article written three days ago. In summary, they are not in bankruptcy proceedings yet, but they need to refinance their existing debt to avoid defaulting next year.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-energy-firm-denbury-resources-150641770.html

If you wanted to play it safe, you could just exclude the oil companies from my screen results, like I tried to do for the financials.

>>18402843
Big masses are slower to move than small masses. I'm looking to maximize returns here.

>>18402942
Not to mention it kills mostly elderly overweight diabetic basketball americans.

>>18402942
>being unemployed for 3 months is freeing up money for people who live paycheck to paycheck
Bruh, do you actually know another living person?

>>18402928
I feel like shit because I was SO SURE the market was about to get fucked back below 240. That the stimulus didn't change anything because nobody was going to be buying anything (they still aren't). Not going out to restaurants, spending money, traveling, etc.
Doesn't matter. Unlimited QE and the printer of the fed have won. Stocks are only allowed to go up.
Don't take that for me saying the drop isn't coming. Many major market makers have said a recession is coming. But I admit that I can't time it. I can't stay solvent longer than the market can stay irrational. So I should become irrational just like the market.

>>18402968
In the long run. Are you a lizard and only live in the moment?

>>18402681
Don't forget the momentum of the bull run, Buy every dip has been a mantra of investing for 11 years. You wanna burn people? You punish the dip buyers. The market is down 13% YTD, 13... From the bull year of 2019, literally perfect year, where even phase one of the trade deal happening dropped the market a bit. To this, complete shutdown. Only 13 percent. Ridiculous. The 11% day that started this, shorts covering. Dip buying, FOMO and euphoria were the main fuel for the move. Look for a period of consolidation, if next week is crabbing, going neck deep in SPXS and SH. Selling pessure will return

>>18402978
>nobody was going to be buying anything (they still aren't). Not going out to restaurants, spending money, traveling, etc.
People still eat and still fix their leaky roofs. The more you fight back against hyperbole, the more you will start believing in your own bullshit.

>>18402978
Dude, what did you do, what trades?

>>18402743
Oh boy. It's time to buy another dip again.

>>18402978
This post is dangerously bearish as well, just like everyone rushed into SQQQ, everyone is going bull, if it was quick and obvious then it wouldn't have a purpose. Do not FOMO.

>>18402978
Same bro. We didn't realize we lived in a clown market until it was too late. Thats why I'm going to get short term calls (1-2 months) and long term puts (4-6 months out)

>>18403021
For me it was weekly SPY puts, and a few puts on companies sure to go down. Just timed it too soon and too greedy

>>18402944
>Big masses are slower to move than small masses. I'm looking to maximize returns here.
>by using P/E
P/E rises like a fucking stone bro.


>>18402985
>long run
How long? Because these people can't afford homes or food NOW. It will help people like me who have no debt and job security, but to the average unemployed, debt riddled pleb, this is almost as bad as it gets.

>>18403021
Puts on Disney (bad choice, they actually gained for a while, and then went up hard when Disney+ reported 50 million subs), various puts on SPY, calls on VXX. That kind of shit. When the market reversed, I held some for too long, then tried to push them out, thinking the drop was sure to come. The market rocketed up so fast many of my puts were losing half their value in a day or two just because puts had such high premiums at the time I bought them (since the market trajectory was down). When the reversal happened and they dropped from 18$ to abysmal prices like 6$, I was already fucked.
I should have went cash gang and just watched the market. Then I could have decided if the trend was down or up, then just followed that more carefully.

So short term there will be a lot of deflation both from people cutting back on spending and because people will rush into the dollar from their own shitty economies But now that the fed is just printing money to buy junk debt off bondholders those bondholders are either holding that cash and waiting for another dip or dumping that cash into index funds and boomer stocks because those are "safe", that's why there's a general market rally, even in shit stocks. What does this mean long-term?

Well what it means that stocks are just going to keep going up and that inflation will only be felt when people try to convert those assets to cash. When is that? Well when baby boomers start drawing from their 401k/IRA/pension plans for retirement and spending that money.

That's delayed a bit because a lot of boomers put off retirement, but roughly half of baby boomers are already retired. So we should expect that in the future inflation will increase significantly and the fed won't be able to do much about it because the inflation is just boomers claiming their saved-up private assets. They will have to jack interest rates way up to even try to make a dent.

Predictions:

Pre-Inflation:
Extreme bull market for stocks
Gold prices will increase a bit for physical pieces due to increased demand but those orders will be filled and prices will stabilize
Commodities will remain low due to low demand and oil glut
Bonds will do okay because the fed is not a lot of them default but you don't want to hold them when inflation starts
2% interest mortgages means real estate will continue appreciating faster than inflation

Post-Inflation:
Stocks will crab for a long time, good time to sell and buy other assets
Gold will outperform the stock market
Commodities will likely do good, hard to tell with oil because it's such a manipulated market.
Avoid bonds until the fed jacks up interest rates. Newly issued treasuries paying 20% like in late 1970s will be good buys

tfw made it

would defensive stocks be a good idea in the mid term?

>telcos
>consumer staples
>utilities

>>18403072
>literally me

>>18403072
>Puts on Disney
i was fucked by disney puts too. its nice to know someone else was feeling the same despair watching Disney climb back into the hundreds

>>18401894
What the hell have I got wrong?

>>18403059
>Because these people can't afford homes or food NOW.
Which people? The blacks? The people who were already housed and fed by the government? The only reason blacks send their kids to school is so that they get fed. Are the blacks going to sell their nonexistent stocks to feed their keeeds?

>>18403127
>nabtrade

theres your problem

Why is /biz/ so reddit today. I was here posting clown pepes two weeks ago when we initially pumped through the first unemployment numbers. Like holy shit, I know having wrong long term options sucks but this is week 3 of the up, we only went down for 2.

>>18403127
Calls and puts aren't opposide sides of the same transaction. different transactions

>>18403127
the first one is false
I didn't read the rest

>>18403001
My main concern is how everyone thinks is over after just on month... That's not possible.


Don't play with options and reverse etf dude, that's gambling. Just my opinion.

>>18403136
what do you recommend?
>>18403146
Thanks I'll see if that helps

>>18403103
Well if you want to hear my plan for clawing my way back up (I'd like to mention that despite losing from 500k to 100k, I'm actually up almost 100% from when this downturn started. I started with 60k, which I pulled out and bought puts right before the plunge. that's how I went up to 500k), I'm going to sell covered calls on my AMD stocks, at least for as long as I hold them, and I'm going for XOM calls. Large cap oil companies (not necessarily oil itself) seem like they will try to rise back up to their pre-plunge valuation. I looked at XOM options and found that June calls at 65 were underpriced versus other calls (67.5 is higher than 65). With the rate that XOM has gained back since the bottom of the plunge, which as three weeks, it has been 38%. If it gains back even half of that in the next three weeks, then those call options will gain somewhere around 200%. If they were to gain back 38% yet again in that period, it would be up by 2457%.

>>18403134
Normal white families who live pay check to paycheck because they have to pay taxes on just living and receive no benefits? Of course you wouldn't care about them.

>>18403198
a true /biz/nizman

>>18403198
Eh. I thought about yoloing a 7$ call on ivr
Last Friday cause I thought it may go up but decided against it, then that call went up 1200% on monday

>>18403198
>my bullish options got rekt in the crash
>make back most of it in puts
>get more puts
>get cold feet and pull out with a small loss
>they would have doubled
>go back in
>rally starts to happen
>hold because its still gotta go down
>hold
>hold
>hold
>market rallies 40%
>zero

>>18403251
I'm really starting to think the only people losing money in the crash were millennials. A boomer who is slow to move in the market might not even have noticed this 2 month dip but the millennials high on robinhood notifications got raped first as bulls and then as bears.

>>18403296
zoomer reporting in.
boomer dad told me to start investing a week before the big dip now we're both doing well.

>>18403251
These kind of events are so nasty because even if you succeed like I did (I literally timed everything perfectly for the plunge), once you're deep into it, there's no telling where things will go. But the greed of wanting to ride the wave takes you and you get fucked by the uncertainty.
I should have just taken my earnings, put them in some stocks, and let it ride. Because even if I mistimed it, I would still have forever for it to go back up. I learned a hard lesson about IV crush, that's for sure.

>>18403296
Don't forget that guy who did a margin put on boeing and lost a hundred grand in less than two hours

>>18403198
>>18401944

>>18403319
The funny part is that there's no way that in the next 5 to 10 years that Boeing isn't a complete shithead of a stock. Its already a shitheap of a company.

I'M ON MY WAY I'M MAKING IT I'VE GOT TO MAKE IT SHOW YEAH

>>18403251
the definition of getting snibbed

>>18403103
>>18403108
>>18403072
Poor souls who took "get woke go broke" literally.
Or are you guys the ones who said "they just announced they're closing the parks, it shouldn't be going up!! Better buy puts!!"???

>>18403316
>learned a hard lesson about IV crush
Nice! Yeah options ARE gambles, really only helpful for hedges or for strategies like spreads (also gambling). I think the surest way to win at this game is to wait for a selloff and buy the best companies "at a discount"

The crash had a lot to do with over-leveraged traders being forced to sell. I think we may truly have seen a generational bottom for the best of the big blue chips. I kinda doubt anyone will be willing to sell MSFT, LMT, AAPL, AMZN, BRKB, etc at those levels without being forced to.

The market was basically malfunctioning.

>>18403296
>>18403316
I did learn a shit ton, but unlike many people in this coming depression I have decent job security (healthcare software) and no debt. What I did to prevent this from happening again is set up monthly auto deposits into some funds and just never touch them, and then I can play with the rest without worrying.

>>18403314
This crash wasn't the bubble popping, it was the boomer market shaking of the millennials and their apps and making sure they never bother it again.

>>18403398
>Or are you guys the ones who said "they just announced they're closing the parks, it shouldn't be going up!! Better buy puts!!"???
Disney's parks, cruises, and all movie theaters being closed indefinitely shouldnt make stocks go up.
and im aware the value is connected to speculation as much as fundamentals.
but the hope that Disney Plus might one day be profitable shouldnt be enough for stocks to surge in the face of catastrophe. normally, when a company is robbed indefinitely of the majority of its revenue, the price doesnt surge.
one day Disney will fall and its a shame im too retarded to time it

>>18403411

tf ameritrade anons, how do i make an alert that makes noise when it is activated?

i've tried to make a few alerts but they don't actually "alert" me. they just show a notification on my screen next time i use my phone. i'd like my phone to start beeping at me when a stock hits a certain price.

What stocks are still discounted so that I can throw a 1,000 bucks into and make money on? Or am I better off using it for options?

>sell puts
>stock goes up
>decide to buy stock and sell calls
>stock goes down
Why am I fucking retarded

How do I short niggers?

>>18402568
you are fighting the fed right now so until it lets go of the reigns all bears WILL be fucked

>>18403451
man you really are. selling puts and it goes up is you making money, same for calls and it goes down.
buying stock is where you went wrong.

>>18403452
YUM owns KFC

>>18403398
It was the same bottom as 2018. Not really generational but it confirms the weak hands are above it and the oblivious boomers below. Not going to see any further down until boomers feel the effects.

>>18403108
THATS WHAT YOU GET FOR BETTING AGAINST THE ALL POWERFUL MOUSE. Better men than you have fought the mouse and lost. It’s not worth it.

>>18403473
I think he meant that he sold his put options, then bought the stock and wrote calls. Though if the stock went down after he wrote calls he should be happy. I've made plenty in the last few weeks riding the wave selling puts and calls.

>>18403452
GEO

>>18403465
The FED can pump all it wants, and I know it will. But it doesn't matter how much they pump when nobody is spending money, businesses aren't making money, and people don't have jobs. Free money does not fix productivity, it does not give back 2 months of work, it does not give people back jobs, it does not make business come back to life. Its literally floating a zombie stock market and it will crash eventually.

>>18402598
I don't agree with it but there's probably an argument to be made for Cenovus. But look at their chart.

>>18403517
It really doesn't have to crash. Japan has been a zombie for decades.

>>18403418
>Disney's parks, cruises, and all movie theaters being closed indefinitely shouldnt make stocks go up.

Just like the president declaring a state of emergency "shouldn't" rally the market. Except everyone who had put any thought into the coronavirus knew it was already an emergency. And anyone who had wanted to trade disney realized much much earlier that this would happen.

They had even talked about it on CNBC weeks before they announced the closing of parks and then cruises. That was when all the foreseeable badnews was out in the open, so shorts covered and longs who wanted Disney for the long haul continued buying the dip.

>>18403465
Not only the fed.
Check this chart from twitter yesterday
>fed, ecb, boj to gdp set log...slope tells stories

Not 100% sure what he means by "gdp set log," I think the curve was adjusted according to movements in GDP (and it's a logarithmic chart). Also not sure if ECB and BOJ are adjusted to US GDP or Euro/Japan GDP.

>>18403489
Also this.
Avoid grudge-trading. Disney is very good at what it does. It does not matter that you do not like what it does.

Jerome pumping another bubble by making all other options trash.
>real estate, bonds, boomerrocks, etc. are shit
You either put money into the stock market or hold onto the cash.

>buy 1 k shares of NIO for 2.5k
>wait 10 years
>become a millionare

It is that simple. Or do you hate free money?

>>18403574
NIO has a revolving door of senior management. I am pretty sure any growth it has will be the result of graft or outright corruption.

>>18403542
>It doesn't have to crash
It does. We are even more fucked if it doesn't because that means we are hyper inflating. These companies don't hold the same value, and they will come down because they aren't making money. People were saying we would never crash again just before we crashed again. You are really going to say "THIS time we won't crash again!"???
>Japan
They have a different economy that is fucked from top to bottom. All Asian countries are just slave hives.

>>18403558
Yep. But if you hold the cash the bubble isn't going to wait for you, everything will be just as expensive as when you originally turned you stock to cash in 2 weeks.

Alright gangsters can someone educate me on doing spreads? I've been doing both puts and calls, but not both at the same time.

>>18403574
Hard pass. NIO is the next LK.

>>18403596
We didn't really crash though. A 4 week dip from ATH to ATH isn't a crash. Only the weakest hands and the daily gamblers lost money.

>market move in the direction that cause most /smg/ to loose money
>if everybody post their stakes on monday , we can predict the future??

>>18403612
>just a 40% dip from ATH
What the actual fuck?
>not even a crash, V recovery
Bruh the world is the literal definition of fucked right now. I will NEVER EVER EVERRRRR believe we are going to V recovery. You cannot convince me that mass unemployment and 3 month closures will just recover in a month. I feel like I'm talking to a fucking choir of loonies.

>>18403610
NIO sounds way better than luckin coffee, though

>>18403644
It's not going to be V-shaped. It will be at least a year until the real economy is back to normal, and that's assuming we don't suffer any secondary shocks like a debt crisis. S&P won't be back above 3300 for at least a year.

>>18403675
>Debt crisis soon fellow anon!
>Oh? When?
NOW

>>18403644
If you look at it now we are at 2019 levels. Did you notice the '18 dip that was a good 10-15%? I don't think anyone will complain if they retired at these levels.

>>18403675
V shared, square root shaped, all it matters is that in the current environment the Fed can easily stop a down move and that even in a W case we are still in bubble territory. A financial crisis is needed to get the boomers into selling and I don't think Corona can do it anymore.

>>18403692
It doesn't concern you that we had a 20% correction for NO REASON in 2018, but now that we have a global financial crisis, 20% is suddenly reasonable? Pandoras box is open! NO FUCKING JOBS! NO FUCKING BUSINESSES! NO FUCKING LOANS! NO FUCKING INCOME! I FEEL LIKE IM SCREAMING INTO A VOID OF STUPID!

>>18402424
>The food supply chain is starting to crumble

probably the scariest thing I've read on here in the past 6 weeks

Not supporting an EV company that holds the 13th fastest time on the Nürburgring.

Nio has longer range on all its models compared to Tesla

>>18403735
>NIO Inc
>Headquarters: Shanghai, China
SHUT THE FUCK UP CHANG!

>>18403725
All I'm telling you is that the bubble is so inflated that a 40% drop didn't pierce through to the real economy numbers. Nobody will feel this drop and the rest is on the government to make sure all future "drops" do the same.

>>18403725
yeah, im pumping

>>18403757
>Government will just make stonks always go up
WHY DO PEOPLE ACTUALLY BELIEVE THIS IS POSSIBLE?????????? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>blocks your path

Options bros, what about straddles? Seems they’d do well with the short term volatility or what am I missing?

>>18403791
Because it is. Almost always a bad thing but they absolutely can you are watching it happen.

I bought SPY at 250

>>18403808
How do you like to straddle / spread options? I'm actually doing these next week.

>>18403812
>its going up now so it will always go up
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>18403550
with how sudden all of this has been i'm doubting that it will take till the end of the year to see things reflect 2008 or worse. correct me if you disagree but i cant help but think all that stimulus was used prematurely

>>18402160
what defines a zombie company?

Kellogg Cinnamon Frosted Flakes is one of the most disgusting things ive ever eaten

>>18403675
what the fuck do you mean about "secondary shocks like a debt crisis"?
what you just witnessed was the beginning of the debt crisis, the virus hoax is just some bullshit being peddled to cover up the financial collapse and for banksters, politicians and other people who think they're made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind to have a scapegoat

>>18403829
You are exactly right.
>Over reaction crash
>Over reaction stimulus
>Harder crash later
Its putting off the inevitable.

>>18403808
yeah but remember that because volatility is high, so are the premiums you have to pay on the options contracts. so if you essentially go "long" volatility and it bottoms out and you get a crab market up until your contracts expire, then you're fucked

>>18403838
Priced in

>>18403837
One that seeks out the best brains in business.

>>18403837
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/z/zombies.asp

>>18403849
If I do a tighter spread would the only downside be high premium?

BREAKING NEWS
>Former Biden staffer files criminal charges against Biden!
https://www.businessinsider.com/former-biden-staffer-tara-reade-files-sexual-assault-complaint-2020-4
LOOKS LIKE HILLDAWGS BACK ON THE MENU!

>>18403728
if the food chain is disrupted, i imagine the governors will forcibly reopen the states.
famine is scarier than plague

>>18403930
why are all of the choices people in their 70's?

;;;;

>>18402256

>>18403896
you'd have to manually do the risk/reward calculations and shit, id imagine that you would pay way more for your premiums if your spread isnt as big, and you would need a massive movement in the underlying in order to profit from it

>>18403944
>Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
>four riders on white, red, black, and pale horses symbolizing pestilence, war, famine, and death, respectively.

>>18403995
no wonder medieval people thought the rapture was coming ever minute. there are plenty of letters that say, "We who were born at the end of time." and yet shit kept on going

Any recommended accounts to follow on twitter?

>>18403946
baby boomer insecurity. a deep distrust of change and the new generation. candidates keep getting older because they're scared the world is changing.
honestly, the generational gap is so vast, its no wonder boomers insist on only voting for candidates their own age. young people confuse and terrify them

JUST BET MY LIFE SAVINGS ON OTM CEI CALLS ON THURSDAY, WISH ME LUCK EVERYONE

>>18402304
I think most damning is that he hasn’t bought anything with his Dragon hoard of cash it’s obvious we haven’t bottomed. If I were you I’d be on cash.

>>18404026
is Obama a boomer

>>18404045
Buffett is only hoarding cash because he wants to 100% buy out BILI equity but they keep raising the price because they are filthy chinks

>>18403814
Based.

>>18403814
You mean SPY puts at 250 right?

>>18403829
>>18403847
It completely depends on how much debt congress and the fed can pile on the bill for the future. It also depends on whether or not they can foresee the disasters before they come.

They are VERY aware of mortgage industry and banking industry, since those are what imploded in the financial crisis. They actually seem ahead of the game for now.

>>18404059
>is Obama a boomer
technically yes, 1961
according to Wikipedia, he's a member of Generation Jones
>"Generation Jones is the social cohort[1][2] of the latter half of the baby boomers to the first years of Generation X"

I'm so sketched out by all the chinese companies... I'm just waiting to find out all the financials BILI puts out (that I've never read) are completely falsified.

>>18403946
because lifespans have gotten longer while term limits have remained unlimited in legislative branch

people in their 30-50's are unironically going to hold less power than any generation before, or after (if we let the purge continue?) them when current political "elite" finally die off from old age

>>18402117
No, it wont work. You'll find low priced stocks but not cheap stocks. Theres a reason, the market doesnt give a higher valuation. Its a sure way to burn money. Also this is not value investing as one anon wrote.

oil bros, is this the equivalent of "buy on the rumor sell on the news" for us? will it be green for us on monday?

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2020/04/10/state-clears-sales-of-dutch-weapons-south-korean-f-35-support/
>WASHINGTON — The U.S. State Department on Friday OK’d a pair of foreign military sales that could bring in $715 million for American firms
>The first sale, covering support and services for South Korea’s planned procurement of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, comes with an estimated price tag of $675 million. The second sale involves 199 Excalibur Increment IB M982Al tactical projectiles going to the Netherlands, with an estimated price tag of $40.55 million.
RTX not only makes the F135 turbofans for the F-35 going to Korea but also makes the M982 Excalibur munitions that the Netherlands are buying.

Is there a reason why you didnt buy in at 50$ anons?
Well?

>>18404150
because LMT and HON are better you shill

>>18404164
F-35chan is such a babe!

>tfw LMT never going below $300 ever again

>>18404164
Listen, I like LMT too, but RTX was a steal at 50

what was it like on /biz/ when 3/23 happened? fuck can you imagine having cash on hand and buy anything and make 5x profit...

Paycom looks good if the economy recovers with all the stimulus.

>>18404164
F-22 is waifu.

>>18404164
whats the downside of owning LMT shares? whats the chances of the military industrial meme getting dismantled in the next 10-20 years or so?

>>18402324

>>18404225
whats the average p/e ratio across this sector? im guessing its really fuckin high?

>>18404191
F-16 is best because nostalgia, like girl next door of fighter jets

Im hoping for big dip before june so i can buy back in LMT since i sold some at $330 like a chump
still, could be worse, i could have been one of the poor souls who held BA (got out at $360, so not great, but not bad)

>>18404202
perhaps, maybe ill buy some when it hits $50 again
still doesnt excuse spamming

>>18404226
F-22 has sexiest curves hands down, wings are kind of fat tho

>>18404252
>>whats the downside of owning LMT shares?
none
>>whats the chances of the military industrial meme getting dismantled in the next 10-20 years or so?
if that happens, making money on the stoct markek is going to be the least of your concerns

>>18404256
40.03

>>18404220
mostly screaming, very little buying because we thought dow 15,000 was imminent

>>18403081
This. Very good prediction. Implications are that stocks can be extremely dangerous assets for coming generations. The fed helped babyboomers by not letting their assets devaluate (not only stocks also housing) and safely retire. This only buys time and will be the problem of the younger generation. Babyboomers will eventually want to sell you their inflated assets when they retire. At the same time simply saving money is shit because of inflation and zero interest rates. Buying a house is shit because of inflated pricing. This is all a big scam on the young generation. Not letting the markets consolidate will result in lower competitiveness, inflated assets, and will have to be paid for decades by following generations. In the meantime the average anon is keeping hinself busy with videogames and cryptos.

>>18404254
Sweden = 1 wave
Rest of the world = infinite waves

I can't see the market plummeting anymore desu. The market knows it's gonna exponentially kill a lot of people and all the job losses. What else can come now? Everything bad is, unironically, priced in.

I'm gung ho on saving and investing as much as possible because of the magic of compounding interest and being good at diversification (up almost 7% while market tanked). It's so easy to make it brahs.

>>18404367
A lot of institutional investors think it will go down again because the rally after was too fast. I suspect they will try to test the bottom again.

But like you see everywhere, bears keep getting wiped out on put calls

>>18404368
What are you buying next?

i know this might be a bit early to be thinking about it given the market conditions, but what picks would you suggest for the upcoming election like pic related? i wouldnt mind making a watchlist now for it

>>18404279
thats true i suppose. whats the chance of them gaining / losing their current share of defence contracts?

>>18404280
interesting

>>18404254
oh yeah they're dying, they didn't shutdown.
Thing is, they can do what they're doing indefinitely, while we can't stay shutdown forever.
That is, unless there's no immunity at all for survivors of COVID-19, and it cripples the survivors with lung scarring, and the young and healthy are sick and vulnerable the second time around. Or if it doesn't actually discriminate at all between the sick and healthy, and it's just that we're so early on that we're seeing where it does the most damage...

>>18404342
if there's any seasonal effect, I'd expect another wave in traditional flu seasonn

>>18404279
bro I sold LMT even lower, and I dumped some BRKB because I thought I'd buy back in later... fuck me I hate it.

I am a little concerned about the competition from drones and the private space companies, and that the CEO jumped ship right before shit hit the fan. But it's still a good long-hold.

ALSO, shouldn't it be beets?

>>18404367
>Everything bad is, unironically, priced in.

unless war were declared...

>>18404389
christ... what a bad list hahahaha
>>18404383
so many people have been saying retest, that I don't think we'll get it that easily. And if we do, the high quality companies may not go down as much as the rest of the stocks in the indices do.

>>18404383
Yeah, like the odd 2-4% maybe but can you see another 10-20% plummet?

>>18404411
>>18404412
It went down pretty sharply, I suspect it will crab trending up as people start trading some of their index money for quality/defensive stocks

>>18404384
I split most of my liquid into 5 big bets and expect at least 3 to pay out well enough to beat the market
- combo oil/solid norwegian dividend stocks/norwegian currency bet
- silver physical
- SLV
- JET
- the biggest cruise lines

I also have lesser positions in various stuff like gold, oddball stocks I really believe in, antiques, art, rare high end coins (thaler size pieces from the 16th to 18th century esp)

>tfw i have no idea what puts or calls are
>have no idea what options or etf's are
>dont read any financial news
>just look for stocks that were higher 3 months ago and cheap now

>>18404411
i mean most of those mooned pretty hard after trump was elected so it wasnt that bad

>>18404384
>>18404432
PS should note I'm not recommending gold atm as I am liquidating it (bought it in 2017). Will hang on to a gold coin or two just to have laying around because that's a smart thing to do.

If any of you stupid niggers """invest""" in chink scam stocks you fucking deserve to lose every last dime
https://twitter.com/WBYeats1865/status/1245730490234982400

>>18404433
Based

>>18403930
>1993
Come on! These half ass political sexual assault accusations must stop. I don't like Biden and I certainly don't want him as president but this is absurd.

>>18404479
Social media has made it easier than ever for white people to discover the utterly naked hatred non-white countries and people have for us. It truly astounds me how few people acknowledge it.

>>18404147
Trading oil at any time is a a mandatory stop loss and take partial profit in chunks deal. Always. Monday may or may not be green. It would help if OPEC came out and said they have a complete signed deal. They're still working on it and will be for the rest of the day.

>>18404367
The market seems to think that the curve will stay flat when the economies are open. That won't be the case, there will be a second lockdown.

weekend memestreet is flat, and crypto is down

green monday confirmed

>>18404405
>unless war were declared...
yes please

>>18404432
I also invest heavily in blogs with content and good stats. I then accept paid guest posts. Every purchase quickly ROIs 100% because the SEO agecies pay me a minimum of $75 per article. $200+ for casino.

>bought a Vanguard ETF in early February
>panic sold it with -25%
>now we are at -15% from the level I bought it at originally
>FOMO'd on Thursday
It will keep going up right? So if we do another three 10% weeks, I will be green. I just don't want to miss the V shape recovery.

>>18404489
reading some of these "accusations"
shit like
>Coll initially brushed off the incident, but she told The Post that reflecting on it now, she believes Biden's actions were inappropriate.
Now people are calling Biden a rapist, saying voters have to choose between two rapists, what the fuck? Abuse of a position of power fine, but come on.

Men really are done.

Looks like the perfect time for Pence, a man who refuses to be alone with a woman unless his wife is in the room.

>>18404479
The relevant link I guess is:
https://www.weibo.com/1638782947/IBveVoMm9?type=comment

But I don't even...

>Xiao Xi v Kaoru : Your friends are in front of you, the light of domestic products, the American leek harvester, the Nasdaq mudslide, the nightmare that US stock investors ca n’t get around, a machine with no emotional discount, Kailixi, the uncrowned king of the 2019 World Money Burning Contest, the magic of the stock price is quite a spokesperson, Rui · National Light · Xing Coffee
>21 April at 21:54

>Do you think Ruixing is corrupting China's integrity? He let foreign capital have some distrustful influence on Chinese investment. However, the mistrust of the West has always existed for us. Isn't the New Corona virus the most obvious? The confrontation between the West and our ideology has long determined the long-term "struggle situation" between our two sides. As a consumer, I am selfish. I like this kind of company very much because others have not cut my leeks.
>00:15, April 3

Ahhhh that SECOND coffee of the morning

Who here /coffeegang/

What's a reliable app I can download to buy stocks? Something I can just download and get into. There's a few companies I want to buy stock from

Also, anyone got any good recs to buy?

>>18404614
And by reliable I mean a company that won't just fucking die in a few weeks or years like Robinhood if they get in shit, or some shit company that will go under due to impending recession?

>>18404610
Right here buddy

Prepare your anus, V shaped recovery incoming!

>>18404552
Tell me more? Where did you learn this? Any resources?

>>18404610
Me too, unfortubately i work in a weird place where people arrange first meetings at 07:00. kills me, i start to warm up at 09:00

>>18404614
why does it have to be an 'app'
god i hate zoomers

>>18404433
Unironically this is how you'll make more money too.

>>18404614
>>18404622
God damn it I have to be a burger for fidelity, schwab etc

Any good international trading platforms with zero fees?

>>18404561
So many people talking about v shaped recovery. Becomes a contraindicator imo.
I think it will stay very volatile till at least q3 earnings, also with possibility to touch the lows. Than some years sideways, the base is too high for v shaped recovery. In that situation, the bigger macros will put effect (increasing debts, doller devaluation...)

>>18404645
It's not complicated - look up SEO agencies offering guest post services, and look at the websites they are offering (it's sometimes public). These websites have certain stats that make them attractive for this kind of thing...you can figure it out.

Then you figure out how to purchase blogs like that at a reasonable price so that you turn even after 10-20 assignments. if you're smart you'll delay ROI100% a bit and buy some quality content as well so it's not all guest posts.

>>18404656
It doesn't. I'm 30 years old, I just like having it on my phone. It can be whatever nigger just rec

>>18404519
What makes you so sure? Your feelings or do you have valid arguments / thoughts?

What currency do I change my USD to so I don't get fucked by the FED?

>>18404667
If you have more than 100k volume per year interactive brokers has pretty low fees. If not use a degiro or rh clones like traderepublic which have their drawbacks though to make up for low fees.
Where are you based bro? I reckon somewhere in the EU?

>>18404610
yeah... but it's 1AM for me
gonna be up for a while
damn I love cawfee
>>18404687
unironically USD

Buy some TIPS or something if you're really that worried. I'd wait until MAYBE the economy looks like it might bottom soon.

>>18404688
New Zealand. Brokers here aren't accepting new customers due to lockdown.

>>18404677
I did a similar thing about 15 years ago, but just doing SEO by buying loads of blogs and filling them with spun content linking back to the customers blog - the good old times before Google panda and penguin.
I didnt know text blogs still have value in the age of influencers and video

>>18404706
>Brokers here aren't accepting new customers due to lockdown.
that sounds retarded

>>18404687
unironically silver

>>18404701
I'm not afraid of inflation, I'm afraid of USD being worthless

>>18404716
It is but it's just the law atm. I think they have to relegate workers to 'essential services'.

>>18404723
>I'm not afraid of inflation, I'm afraid of USD being worthless
but that's called inflation

>>18404687
No matter what currency you go to Jerome's money printer will be there

>>18404734
Inflation means things become more expensive
A hamburger can be still be $2 just that that $2 is now worth $1 Euro

>>18404706
Do you want to trade kiwi stocks or exclusively US?

>>18404726
Yeah but you don't even really have to see your broker...

this whole thing is a fucking joke..

>>18404711
I have never been it by an SEO penalty, but I am thinking long term and doing lots of quality content as well in addition to the guest posts. Sometimes I get a client to pay me extra to pay my quality writers to write a Featured piece with their link. Less the writer's fee, in these cases I get paid $40-$60 to publish a high quality article on my own site that will help traffic long term.

>>18404760
Did you select a niche or go all over the place?

>>18404718
delusional~
Silver is completely speculative, not a storage of wealth or a hedge against inflation. If you're buying silver, it should be because you think manufacturing is bottoming and about to increase.

>>18404723
>>18404747
Invest in lithium, perhaps Haloperidol.
If you're having panic attacks, maybe a benzodiazepine.

>>18404752
US only
>>18404755
I know. It makes no sense at all.

any long-term investors here? which S&P 500 ETF do you use?

i think buying into the SPX makes the most sense as far as indices go

>>18404766
All over the place. I'm thinking of eventually cleaning it up a bit into clearly segmented markets with my best premium domains and interlinking them so every addition helps the rest, sort of like a discount gawker network. Idea being they'll compound each other's success and possibly get a bid from a company for the whole network.

>>18404782
I honestly think we're getting bamboozled and this whole thing is scheme to cover up the inevitable recession and to sneak in the stimulus

>>18402005
is that some kind of solar system-chan?

>>18404799
SCHG as I'm on Schwab.

>>18404799
Yeah. If you arent long youre wrong

>>18404782
Tastyworks for options, degiro for stocks.
Just calculate fees ahead of time before you sign up.

If you plan on >50k volume p.a. Go to a more serious / established broker, even more so with >100k volume p.a. where fees become negligible

>>18404828
>>18404828
I prefer SCHX and VIG (focuses on companies that have a history of raising their dividends, CAN be an indicator of good financial health, though that may not be as true as it once was)

>>18404825
Not really

>>18402375
upgrade your image

>>18404833
I went with trading 212 because it's high on google store and seems like it's suited to noobs like me.

>>18404823
If our libshit government are in on the lockdown I can only presume it's nothing to help the US economy.

>>18404854
thanks

https://touhou.fandom.com/es/wiki/Hecatia_Lapislazuli

>>18404869
whoops, english:
https://touhou.fandom.com/wiki/Hecatia_Lapislazuli

>>18404747
Then who cares? As long as you aren't heavily Forex exposed, the majority of stocks traded are in USD, so nothing changes

I dunno how you'd manage to tank the forex rate of USD without any actual inflation but sure, we're in a clown market

>>18404799
Long and strong SOXL

>>18404854
>>18404828
thanks, i think i'll just buy into standard ishares core memes

>>18404889
I'm not american and have us dollars in stocks and dont spend us dollars

>>18404864
i think the us economy was fucked either way.. i think we're about to see a wave of some fucked up shit.. 2 weeks lock down.. ok.. 4 weeks... thats kind of pushing it.. 6 weeks.. come on now... it could go on for even longer. People are going to get desperate.. shit can go down

>>18404915
I think we'll have to see people admit defeat and admit it's just something we have to live with. Some get the flu and get sick and go back to work and a few die. It's not worth crashing economies over. We're looking good in New Zealand, but we won't ever be able to open the borders for years unless there is a really successful vaccine (otherwise what was the point of the lockdown)

>>18404747
Wsb posters ladies and gentlemen.

Pray tell, if wages are 10x higher and $2 hamburger now costs $20, is that inflation?

>>18404923
they're hoping for herd immunity.. covid-19 will be here for the rest of human kind... just about everyone will get it just like the flu but we will evolve and create antibodies to fight it off just like we do the flu.. but we can't just have everyone rush around together.. it has to be slowly introduced... atleast that i've come up with from my quick research

>>18404915
I'm pretty concerned about real estate, combined with unemployment. We're not going to get 100% of those jobs back after the virus gets under control

>>18404953
There's no inflation, hamburgers will still be $2 not $20 just that you can buy them with 1 EUR instead of 1.5 EUR.

>>18404687
Braphogs. The way inflation is going, they might of peaked.

>>18404965
fucking hell.. i hope real estate drops like a fucking rock...

I'm working with a real estate developer and we are currently in negotiations for land.. funny how all of a sudden people are working quickly down to our low ball offers.... We were trying to buy a piece of land for $557,000 and the guy was saying him and his partners want $780,000 or else they will develop it themselves.... we sent them the offer in writing and a couple weeks went by.. sure enough last week they responded dropping their price down to $650,000.. thats a huge drop... i feel a lot of land investors that are currently holding risky plays are going to get worried and dump... like people that don't have federaly backed mortgages... if you check realtor.com usually theres about 3-7 new houses that go up every week in certain areas.. lately i've been noticing about 14-20 new houses for sale pop up a week.....

fucking hope the market tanks.. just thinking if I should pull equity out of some of my properties before it happens so i can get a high apprasial and a big loan and use the loan right when it drops....... but thats a huge gamble... idk... just hope it drops like a rock

>>18404687
i think EUR for example is more at risk than USD

>>18405015
Remember what Trump said about the housing market in 2008. If anyone heeded his word then, they'd have property quickly increasing in value. Taking a loan to buy the property dip is 100% justified.

>>18405025
>ID: Open HongKong

>>18405015
Lol I'm a little less excited, my parents have a big house they're trying to sell.
Interesting thing my dad likes to do, he says he searches up dining room tables, big cabinets, stuff like that on craigslist. He says he can predict the market dropping and people's credit getting fucked up by seeing when a lot of listings come up all at once

>>18405046
and what does the Big Oak Furniture index say will happen?

>>18405038
i was thinking of taking a loan out on my properties tho that are already paid off.. gunna have to see how it plays out.. real estate takes awhile..

>>18405046
thats interesting.. i always look at things like motorcycles and other toys like trailers and what not and also places known to be mainly vacation homes..... thats a good idea because when people start to hurt they will sell stuff they aren't so needed.. if the tables and cabinets start selling then people really are hurting badly... crazy times we're in

>>18405057
Oh, we're going down kek

>>18404960
Yeah but I don't think we can afford to have it slowly introduced because we can't just printing money. We'll have to either hope a lockdown works, a drug comes about, a vaccine works, or just have to have certain people stay home if they're super high risk while the rest of us take the risk

>>18405090
i think the best thing to do is to have it hit hard as fuck and let people die off. Let the economy tank and when it comes back it'll be like updating a computer.... Life will most likely become more efficient and people will have more free time on their hands...

I don't know exactly what will happen.. but i'm sure there are going to be huge opportunities that come from it

Will Monday be the end of our two week bull market?

>>18405116
no way to know yet in my opine, OPEC letter bullshit today was noncommital, we're gonna have to wait n see what they do this weekend

>>18405107
>i think the best thing to do is to have it hit hard as fuck and let people die off

Nobody really gives a fuck about millions of people potentially dying. It's about their friends and families dying. It's like someone in your family getting cancer or something incurable, you will get into huge amounts of debt trying to keep your loved ones alive and you're better of euthanizing that person but nobody in their right minds will do so unless you're a sociopath.

>>18405116
do you think quarantine will end by may?
>are you retarded?
do you think when quarantine finally ends, we won't have another wave?
>again, are you retarded?

>>18405116
Jerome made all assets worthless except stocks or holding onto cash. It'll go up simply because of that.

https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2020/april/unleash-privateers
I haven't seen bullish news like this for years

>>18405169
seeing capital flight INTO equities is gonna be so wild, this pic is already a big meme what happens when it's this times 10?

>>18405187
>sending our giga-chad unit to figure out the answer to the chinaman question

>>18405193
Travel is dead for at least a year
Events are dead for at least a year
Restaurants/Dining in are gone for at least half a year
Co-Working spaces are gone for at least a year

>>18405193
>what happens when it's this times 10?

>>18405152
people will die either way.. best to get it over with.. i think this social distancing is the right thing and after they free it up i think people will still practice social distancing...... natural selection is real.. and if it has to happen.. it has to happen... feelings shouldn't get in the way....

>>18405224
You might not love your mom and dad but you're a part of a very small minority.

https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/news/2020/04/07/philadelphia-drug-maker-awaits-go-ahead-to.html?ana=yahoo

LCI to $60

>>18405245
I love my mom and dad.. but they treated me like shit during my childhood and my dad basically used me to work for his company with cheap pay and my mom was busy smoking weed and hanging out with her friends to care what i was doing..... i love my family but shit happens.. my brother died of a heroin overdose.. growing up my friends were more of a family to me than my actual family... people die... can't sit there and dwell on it... gotta move on.. I mean.. if one of my relatives died it doesn't give me an excuse to be a failure.. i still have to push on... and I'd hope they'd do the same if i died.. may sound heartless but thats life

>>18405138
>In political theory and theology, to immanentize the eschaton means trying to bring about the eschaton (the final, heaven-like stage of history) in the immanent world. In all these contexts it means "trying to make that which belongs to the afterlife happen here and now (on Earth)."[citation needed] Theologically the belief is akin to postmillennialism as reflected in the Social Gospel of the 1880–1930 era,[1] as well as Protestant reform movements during the Second Great Awakening in the 1830s and 1840s such as abolitionism.[2]
Well this made me feel like a total tard. But I guess it's just fancy for bring about the end of everything, for a sekrit club.

>>18405193
this sent me down a rabbit hole though...
I never heard about this Joseph Pizza character.
>>18405252
>kaletra
doesn't work, much less promising than other antivirals and trump's fave.
If you told me this company was trying to go bust by pulling a The Producers, I might have to believe you.

Which will be the stock sector leading to a market bubble in the next 10 years? Biotech? Which stocks to hold and why?
Stem cell?
''an old meme''
the faggots who says this they forget that the science goes on and on ... and saying ''stem cells'' or crispr in 2000 is not the same as saying it in 2020

>>18405327
>Joe Pizza
Hahaha is this real? I brushed off the Trump Sanofi thing, pretty obvious that he owns a lot of stuff and they wouldn't stand to make much of a profit. Wtf is Interchem though, it doesn't look like it even trades pink sheets :o
Bringing about the eschaton is the secret goal of many kabbalists, important concept especially because there are some pretty sinister interpretations of how it should/could be done

>>18405503
Stem cell treatments that celebrities get are complete bunk according to doctors I've talked to. Doesn't mean they can't be profitable tho...

>>18405075
If anything breaks, like my glasses, or I need the dentist, or I need to go to the bank, then I'm proper fucked.

>>18405252
>LCI to $60
why is this so shilled here?
Any serious motivation?

>>18405511
what is about PLUG?

>>18405514
Unfortunately I think that will become the norm for a lot of people going forwards. Hell, it already is for probably more than we realize. The Fed's actions seem tailor made to create harsh wealth inequality, I think the average American's standard of living will decrease a surprising amount within our lifetimes.
>>18405534
Hydrogen power? No idea, they used to be a meme here but I never looked into them

>>18405516
Just one guy who like to trade low float stocks and try to get a short squeeze. Some bagholders are stuck trying to shill it too after getting roped in and buying at the top of past short squeezes.
basically it's a swindle.

>>18405511
really? I believe it, but it seems like the promise is there. But when it comes down to it, maybe the old-fashioned way is the best way. Gotta get a bloodboy to trade with you.

Interchem is privately held. I'm fairly certain politicians run for electionto make money, and that there are no other goals involved except the vanity of winning a popularity contest and having people talk about you. I don't understand anyone who thinks trump isn't trying to win some nice porkbarrel projects for his pals and get situated for some amazing international development deals.

>>18405514
yeah my tartar is bad, I was planning on going to the dentist before this happened, but then... I just didn't want to go hold my mouth open and have another person tinker around in there. Just seemed like a big infection risk.

>>18405584
I probably shoulda clarified I meant the really trendy stem cell therapies, the ones Joe Rogan and big actors like. Stem cells have a lot of potential for a lot of things, but going down to central america to get them injected into your joints doesn't do to much. Gotta get the adrenochrome PURE kekkies
also LCI is unironically fun to trade, it's not really a scam just a semi-complicated play

bro i want to speculate on IMTKA until next earnings but im from Germany and they blacklisted connections coming from Germany. Who here knows about the income and debt situation of IMTKA? pls hlep

we may be in the market for a new bread

>>18405647
yeah Rogan has more dollars than sense these days. Haven't listened in years but he's had some interviews I really liked.

Respect your opinion and all, but the trip is always acting scummy whenever I notice him. Always trying to establish a big reputation, I fuck this girl and that girl, I'm working on all these development deals, listen to this great thing that just happened because I'm so good at business, blah blah blah pay attention to me.

I can't see it as anything but a ploy to get newfags to buy the top of his short squeeze so he can get more money from them.

The price target is so stupidly high for a US based generics company, the only way it makes sense is if he doesn't want anyone to sell, so he can swindle more money out of them.

>>18405783
>I can't see it as anything but a ploy to get newfags to buy the top of his short squeeze so he can get more money from them.
That's not how it works.

>>18405783
you are right, midteens
he had to switch names after he blew his top and dumped on this general the last time

>>18405817
>>18405817
>>18405817
>>18405817
NU

>>18405783
Hehe that's part of his charm, I've always found him very funny. I don't think he's necessarily being malicious towards newfriends (though it's a good lesson if they buy on a pump, of course it's not going to 60), he's said he thinks there are bots or text scrapers or something monitoring online stock forums. Back in the day everyone was memeing CARV because it's a bank for black people; about a week after the memes started CARV pumped like wild with no explanation. I guess it's not impossible :O

>>18405824
So scummy.
>>18405838
It's impossible. Check out this chart. What do you think is more likely, LCI returning to $60, or F returning to $15.

Yes, the lower line is LCI, and yes, it is down 88.7% in 5 years.

>>18405561
>Hydrogen power? No idea, they used to be a meme here but I never looked into them
Why hydrogen is a meme for you?

>>18402117
newbie here. what does PE mean?

>>18402256
I hope it does crash again. I didn't buy enough cheap stocks.

>>18402424
Good, factory farming is an abomination. I fucking love Corona Chan