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>> No.18314208

Oil bro WTF? Do i just buy and hold for long returns?

>> No.18314213

>>18314199
It’s just not fair

>> No.18314214
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18314214

>he shorted the bottom
lmaooooooooooooooo

>> No.18314217

WE GOING DOWN

>> No.18314218

voilà! mon portefeuille ne sera plus jamais supérieur à 20000

>> No.18314219

>>18314208
store barrels of crude in your basement

>> No.18314221

>virus growth begins to slow in europe
>proves that shutting almost everyone indoors and putting the economy on hold is actually an effective measure
>market is pleased by this
"hey great news. so when can we stop doing that?"

>> No.18314222

I bought a lot, don't you fucking dare crash now.

>> No.18314224
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18314224

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>> No.18314225

>>18314208
Dunno, im shorting oil atm.
Wish me luck.

>> No.18314226
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18314226

ACCUMULATE REFR

52 WEEK LOW BOUNCE BACK TO 4

>> No.18314228
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18314228

Bears go back to flipping burgers, this is a bull market again

>> No.18314236

>>18314225
I exited all my positions friday with a small profit thinking that this was going to be a trump pump and dump and it won't go down.

>> No.18314239

>>18314228
>he's getting cocky
uh-oh bullbros

>> No.18314240

>>18314199
should i go long on SOXL or individual semi stocks right now?

>> No.18314244

>>18314224
please post your trades in the thread so we could counter copy, thank you

>> No.18314245
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18314245

This chart is pornographic.

>> No.18314247

no no no no stop crashing
STOP

>> No.18314249
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18314249

>RTX +10%
I told you

>> No.18314250

SQQQ BROS WAIT FOR THE NEXT DIP!!!!!!

>> No.18314252

when will putin crash the american economy?

>> No.18314253

>>18314199
blacks are dispropritionately:
obese
smokers
diabetic
hypertension
drug users
predisposed toward risky behaviors

>> No.18314257

BRZU (low-volume warning) is overvalued.
betting against hues

>> No.18314262

>>18314221
market is made up of retards, but don't worry, governments are also made up of retards, so they'll inevitably end quarantine too early and a cause a significant resurgence in Corona-chan and then overreact by quarantining again

>> No.18314263

>>18314199
I don’t know about you all... but because of Corona this is the first time since college that I’ve felt alive. I have lots of silver and been waiting for something like this to happen for 5 years. The point where things get so bad that 1 silver Roosevelt dime will buy me a blowjob from a formerly well to do housewife and her 18 year old daughter at the same time. I’ve been waiting in the shadows laughing at these cuck husbands who buy their wives range rovers instead of buying silver bullion... knowing that I’ll be face fucking their wives mouths for the 1.30$ it cost me to buy that silver dime.

Just yesterday at Whole Foods I seamlessly entered into conversation about Corona with a roastie milf that had a ring on her finger in the water aisle... and I said this is all a cover for trump to bring us back on a gold standard. She started looking at me in amazement like she wanted me to paint her lips in cum. At the end of the conversation I’m like take my number l have plenty of protection and freeze dried food if you ever need it and she took it from me.

>> No.18314267
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>>18314224

>> No.18314268

>>18314228
>bulls at peak joy and comfort
good thing market doesnt have a history on turning on you when youre at your most comfortable or anything

>> No.18314271

how long till the first major bankruptcy bros?

>> No.18314275

>>18314226
>>18314226
>>18314226
>>18314226

>> No.18314276
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18314276

>>18314222
thank you for your service

>> No.18314277

What utility dividend stocks do you guys recommend on getting? DUK, PPL, OKE?

>> No.18314281

>>18314271
>major
not happening yet

>> No.18314282

>>18314224
Shit nigger

>> No.18314284

>>18314253
So it kills the dregs and leaves behind the only blacks that arent worthless, sounds bullish to me

>> No.18314288

>>18314275
No one is buying your shit stock retard.

>> No.18314290

>>18314271
150 days

>> No.18314292

Sold my gold today for chunky profits.
Gonna buy more if it drops past 1600, may happen because of liquidity issues around the world.
I hoped oil would dump more.
Overall comfy day.

>> No.18314298

>>18314271
REITs will be the first to fall

>> No.18314300

>>18314277
BIP

>> No.18314301

>>18314262
>market is made up of retards
Post your sick gains. Surely youre smarter than retards

>> No.18314302

What's this huge dump about?

>> No.18314303

>>18314292
As stocks slide further, I think gold will temporarily go down more.

>> No.18314306

>>18314277
Xom

>> No.18314311

>Doing my daily check of /wsb/ for normie market sentiment analysis
>First post is "Never fighting the fed again" and everyone switching to being a bull
Only now did we bulltrap boys.

>> No.18314312

>>18314226
>>18314275
quick rundown on REFR?

>> No.18314313

>>18314277
WM

>> No.18314314

>>18314303
Gold stocks maybe, real gold is ready baby

>> No.18314315

>>18314301
so if the market tanks back to 2200 you will accept that you are one of the retards?

>> No.18314316

>>18314288

10% green bobo

>> No.18314318

>>18314224
what app is this? schwab?

>> No.18314324

>>18314199
>pic rel
Dump KFC now!

>> No.18314325

>>18314249
>that pre-market pump
Fucking cocksuckers.

>> No.18314326

>>18314263
There it is, was getting nervous.

>> No.18314328

>>18314226
Yuck

>> No.18314331

WHY IS IT CRASHING YOU NIGGERS

>> No.18314332 [DELETED] 
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18314332

>RUSSEL +7.4%
RUSSEL +7.4%
>RUSSEL +7.4%
RUSSEL +7.4%
>RUSSEL +7.4%
RUSSEL +7.4%
>RUSSEL +7.4%
RUSSEL +7.4%

>> No.18314337

>>18314318
yes

>> No.18314338

>oil holding didn't dip below my buy over little ol' failed talks
feels good man

>> No.18314344

>>18314301
your mistake is thinking that the guy who wins playing slots is smart
>>18314311
for the last 5 years at least, reality has expressed an extremely antireddit bias, so you may be right

>> No.18314347

>>18314311
Stake is on the menu tomorrow Bobo I'm in sqqq on Wednesday

>> No.18314350

>>18314298
Reits are up like 10% today

>> No.18314353

>>18314332
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>> No.18314354

>>18314312
Surprisingly not a cannabis stock.

>> No.18314355

>>18314315
So no gains? Losing money in a market full retards?

>> No.18314360

>>18314350
so is dave and busters retard

>> No.18314361

>these fucking volumes
Is it just casual traders?
DO NOT BUY

>> No.18314362

holy SHIT just imagine being dumb enough to be a bear at these prices lmao

>> No.18314367

This volume (or lack thereof) is makin me antsy in my pantsy

>> No.18314368

bought USO at 5.61, fuck its going down

>> No.18314369

>>18314355
im in cash. so if the market tanks back to 2200 you will accept that you are one of the retards? a broken clock is right twice a day my simple friend.

>> No.18314371

>>18314208
Buy MLPs. EPD ET MMP

>> No.18314372

I'm impressed, you dumb niggers only buy after the market has moved and then complain that they're rigged when it whispaws back.

>> No.18314375

>>18314360
you dont get wasted and plow slam pigs from DnB? ngmi

>> No.18314376

>>18314347
>>18314344
Im not even a Bobo. All cash.
Im just very careful when "everyone" knows its going up. Part of the reason why I sold it all in February.

And looking at the volume right now it all just seems too suspicious.

>> No.18314378

HOLY FUCK VERTICAL CALLS/PUTS ARE FREE MONEY, I CAN ACTUALLY AFFORD REALISTIC STRIKE PRICE OPTIONS NOW

>> No.18314379

>>18314344
So if the market is just irrational & a huge gamble, why are you here?

>> No.18314383

>>18314361
Everyone is dead, only bots / algos and FED trading with each other.

>> No.18314384

>>18314298
not retail?

>> No.18314387

>>18314355
youre so confident yet you refuse to accept that you are one of the retards if you are wrong? typical retard.

>> No.18314388
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>>18314355
>>18314315
>>18314301
>>18314262

>> No.18314390

SQQQ BROS WAIT FOR THE NEXT DIP!!!!!!

>> No.18314397

Curve : flattened
Resistance : broken
Bulls : running
Cucks : waging
Price : in
Bears : donezo

Market analysis is dated
The virus is overrated
Golden bull activated

>> No.18314398
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>>18314303
It dumped in early March as holders were desperate for cash. There's the possibility of the same happening again. Gonna keep my powder dry if that happens.

>> No.18314407

>>18314361
Is it low volume? Yahoo Finance has articles saying market has bottomed lol

>> No.18314410
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18314410

I need this shit to be down over the entire week or i'll be sad

>> No.18314411

Cmon TA fags, show us some memelines so I can laugh at you when they're dead wrong by end of day.

>> No.18314421

If AMD hits 50 today I'm going to flay my fucking dick while jerking off.

>> No.18314423
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18314423

>>18314362

>> No.18314424
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18314424

>he bot
>Damp eet.

>> No.18314427

>>18314397
bulls: peak joy
and, as we all know, the market rewards peak joy forever and ever.

>> No.18314429

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/last-month-bill-ackman-said-hell-was-coming-now-hes-optimistic-2020-04-06

Was the hysterical CNBC phone call just a little trick to move markets where he wanted?

>> No.18314430

>>18314397
im seriously considering going all in now

>> No.18314431
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18314431

>>18314411

>> No.18314432

>>18314245
Why is anyone even in gold at all if it just tanks when stocks do but never pays dividends or grows or anything.

>> No.18314433

Lmao yellen is on

>> No.18314434
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18314434

>>18314387
>if youre wrong, you gotta admit youre a retard. And if im wrong, i gotta admit im a retard
Sure, if thats the dumb game you want to play

>> No.18314438

>>18314397
that's so poetic anon, have a (you)

>> No.18314440

>>18314354
yeah but why would it recover right now back to $4? i don't think electronically tintable glass for planes and luxury cars is in high demand right now and won't grow for at least 8 months.

>> No.18314441

>>18314384
REITs are highly leveraged CDOs full of commercial mortgage backed securities by another name

>> No.18314445

>>18314423
>using nu halo
ngmi

>> No.18314446

>>18314429
Did you watch the entire interview, he was right about everything.

>> No.18314447

>>18314407
>is it low volume?
it is low volume?

>> No.18314448

>>18314362
insurance companies are going to go bankrupt if they bail out businesses. businesses are going bankrupt if they dont get insurance. trillions in losses, massive unemployment, bankrupt companies, low consumer spending due to loss of jobs, creditor bankruptcy as borrowers default (mortages, credit cards, student loans). companies on shutdown for at least another 2 months. more gov debt needed to prevent anarchy and riots from people who cant pay rents in may and june

show me what is bullish about this economy

>> No.18314451

>>18314434
uh yeah, it's not really a dumb game. it's understand the forces at play that drive cause and effect. people who tend to get right answers tend to be smarter than people who tend to get wrong answers. i guess a retard couldnt understand that. put your post in a more screenshottable form if you're so confident!

>> No.18314452

>>18314311
fuck you for making me check

>Never fighting the fed again
Second line:
> Yesterday I was having sex with my dad and realized that life is too short to fight the Fed and their unlimited QE.

this isn't an indicator of normie sentiment

>> No.18314457
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18314457

>>18314411
>5 people give you bullish charts
>5 people give you bearish charts
market goes sideways

>> No.18314458

>260 resistance on SPY for the last hour
Why won't it break?

>> No.18314461

>>18314441
In a normal market REITs would fail. In clown market, REITs will skyrocket in value because fed will just buy them up.

Inflation? What's that?

>> No.18314471
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18314471

>>18314448
Priced in

>> No.18314472

>>18314451
>walk through minefield
>don't die
>"the trick is just going in a straight line"
>writes book about walking straight

>> No.18314473

>>18314311
It's the one bulltrap to catch them all, there is some elaborate Spiel going on here and then it's the Age of the Eternal Bobo

>> No.18314477

HOTTIE ON CNBC

>> No.18314480

>>18314298
I was just looking at some of these to short lol.

REITs, in particular office retail is going to get FUCKED

>> No.18314483

>>18314423
THERE IS STILL TIME TO STOP THE KEY FROM TURNING, YOU WILL SEARCH ONE LIKELY SPOT AND YOU WILL SEARCH ANOTHER
FATE HAD US MEET AS FOES BUT THIS RING WILL MAKE US BROTHERS

>> No.18314484

>>18314458
because the market is heavily overvalued. everyone knows it, except braindead bulls on biz

>> No.18314485

>>18314458
lmao you were saying? fucking bear cucks

>> No.18314490

Oil finna dump again this week.
Storage is full, there are tankers waiting at port with their holds full. There's way too much of the shit.
It is literally more economical to keep the refineries and wells open than to close them down.

>> No.18314493

So bearbros what are you shorting or buying puts in?

I'm short big oil with still a minor gain. Thinking of closing.

>> No.18314498

I’m the pandemic portfolio fag from Friday. Sold most of it this morning and am scaling into a small SQQQ position for any dip. Also oil storage companies. Bears got whacked but I bet it pulls back again soon once enough bobos give up.

>> No.18314499

Wait? How are cruise lines going up yet airlines are practically frozen?

>> No.18314500

>>18314448
>insurance companies are going to go bankrupt
act of god, they're not liable

>> No.18314503

>>18314471
ITS NOT PRICED IN. IT IS NOT. PRICED. IN. THIS SHIT IS A FUCKING NIGHTMARE

>> No.18314505

>>18314445
>new thing bad
/tg/ is over there

>> No.18314506

>>18314477
>turn on strim
>it’s some old hag
Well... memed

>> No.18314508

>>18314199
Why isthe virus so racist bros. White people should be punished so hard for this Chinese virus

>> No.18314511
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18314511

The entire weekend /biz/ has been saying everything is going to crash on Monday, yet everything is green. Why?

>> No.18314512
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18314512

>>18314397

Look at me

>> No.18314514

>>18314485
I'm saying it's still under 260 and falling? Are you just blind?

>> No.18314516

>>18314499
oversold, simple as

>> No.18314518
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18314518

>>18314452
What do you expect?
"Im am an average Normie investor and these are my avergae nad normal thoughts probably shared by many:"
No. You get "Ok, Im buying back!" with 6k updoots and thats it.

Closest thing you can get to seeing normies trade is /wsb/ and stocktwits.
I use it all the time and inverse it. Works out perfectly.

>> No.18314524

>>18314448
>insurance companies are going to go bankrupt
no

>businesses are going bankrupt
no

>trillions in losses, massive unemployment
gov't is going to backstop all economic loss with as much printing is needed. Multi-trillion $ infra bill up next

>bankrupt companies
they'll be kept afloat

>low consumer spending due to loss of jobs
consumer will be getting direct income to backfill lost wages, and will have a ton of pent up demand coming out of this flu lockdown

>borrowers default
no

>what is bullish about this economy?
bearish news is PRICED IN

>> No.18314526

>>18314511
biz is usually right but they got this one dead wrong

>> No.18314527

>>18314506
>>it’s some old hag
fucking newfags please leave

>> No.18314529

This market is never going down ever again baby! Recessions and bear markets are now much shorter than they were historically. Thanks to our new understanding of economics we can shorten bear markets to a period of only a couple weeks at most and recessions are only theoretical anymore. We can stop them in their tracks to such an extent that they are barely even felt by anyone enough to notice. This is Capitalism 2.0 folks!

>> No.18314530

>>18314499
priced in

>> No.18314535

Where's BVLLposter? I need some more screenshots for my cringe compilation.

>> No.18314537

>mortgage reits mooning
>stocks that were downgraded hard mooning
>debt companies like UBER, LYFT mooning
what. the. fuck.

>> No.18314545

>>18314511
maybe this board is full of retards who think posting anime pictures makes them better traders?

>> No.18314549

>>18314524
>no
great argument there simpleton

>gov't is going to backstop all economic loss with as much printing is needed. Multi-trillion $ infra bill up next
money is being destroyed faster than it's being created

>> No.18314550

>>18314526
>usually right

>> No.18314551

>>18314511
The market always does the opposite of what everyone thinks. Its goal is to fuck as many people as possible. It’s why 90% of retail traders lose money. Psychology.

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18314557

>>18314511

>> No.18314558

Seems like the lid is set at 260 fellas

>> No.18314559
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>>18314526
>biz is usually right

>> No.18314563
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18314563

>i bought the top

>> No.18314565

>>18314537
short squeeze

>> No.18314566

>>18314447
look at the comment i was responding to retard

>> No.18314567

>>18314529
>new paradigm!!!
uh oh bullbros

>> No.18314569

>>18314537
nobody has anything better to do during shelter-in-place than speculate in stocks bro

>> No.18314572

>>18314549
>money is being destroyed faster than it's being created

good, no inflationary pressures then

>> No.18314575

>>18314505
Are you saying the change in art does not make it look like a bad Hollywood cgi film?

>> No.18314578
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>>18314473
I think there will be one major dump.

Maybe Im wrong. Were post-reality now. Its infinite QE time and have no idea how that will work out. Maybe we really have defeated market cycles.

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18314579

I SOLD SO MANY GOOD GODDAMNED STOCKS AT THE BOTTOM!!

THIS SHIT BETTER DIP OR I'M GOING TO LITERALLY REGRET MY ACTIONS!!!

>>18314506
SOME OLD HAG????

>> No.18314580

>>18314557
shouldn't there be water in the pit?
Else you got nothing but rotting fish

>> No.18314589

>>18314529
typical recession sign

>> No.18314590
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18314590

6 months lock down and infinite oil

Yolo

>> No.18314591

>>18314572
there will be in a few years when velocity picks up. it's going to destroy the dollar. the fed cannot control velocity as it is psychological.

>> No.18314595

well i exited all my retarded put positions, still holding a bunch for 5/15 @ 200

>> No.18314601

>>18314524

You are low IQ Trump supporter, lmao.

Processes are going on mo matter your wishful thinking faggot.

Unemployment is real, untested infected are real, fucking models are flawed.

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18314602

>>18314579
>THIS SHIT BETTER DIP OR I'M GOING TO LITERALLY REGRET MY ACTIONS!!!
Always think of Aqua samas wise words

>> No.18314604

>>18314579
SQQQ NOW WHILE IT'S CHEAP BOYS!!!!!!

>> No.18314606

>>18314415

<3 jordan peterson, this talk is life changing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5RCmu-HuTg

>> No.18314607

>>183141999

>black people dying

BERNIE MIGHT WIN BROS

>> No.18314608

>JetBlue is burning through $10 million a day: CEO
>JBLU pumps on this news
Yeah, let me buy into this 100% organic and kosher price action.

>> No.18314610

>>18314575
I really liked the cutscenes in the remaster of halo 2. nostalgia is a hell of a drug anon. new stuff is sometimes good, and I say that having played the shit out of every halo game back in the day, even the bad ones

>> No.18314614

JANET YELLEN IS SAVING MY PUTS I LOVE JEWS NOW

>> No.18314618

>>18314537

Panic buying.

>> No.18314620

>>18314511
When 99% of posts are acting like there is some sort of secret knowledge about why everything will crash on a certain day, very high chance he pendulum swings just enough the other way to make them second guess and turn around sentiment on a dime which then pushes everything further in that direction. I’m almost convinced market moves can be greatly rooted in individual and collective psychology.

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18314626

By Allah that' based.

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18314631

>>18314199
>China's plans for Africa revealed

nah, we've known that they felt like Africa was tiresome for some time now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a-QpyF7rNc

>> No.18314632

>>18314620
>I’m almost convinced market moves can be greatly rooted in individual and collective psychology.
literally what else could it be

>> No.18314635
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18314635

>>18314579
>not just averaging down after buying in
We're already 7k down, no point in trying to hunt the bottom

>> No.18314638

>>18314508
I agree, but because white people are so fucking insufferable on the internet every single day. Especially anglos. God, FUCK the anglos.

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18314641

Everything in my portfolio/watchlist is pumping except oil and tobacco, absolute clown market.

>> No.18314643

>>18314608
I’m craving pickles

>> No.18314644

>>18314579
>selling
>ever

LOL

>> No.18314648

>>18314626
>merkel was literally Stasi
>believe merkel data

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18314650

Nothing significant happens during market day anymore. Just the fucking whales messing around during the night.

>> No.18314652

>>18314626
Merkel has done literally nothing this whole time btw.
The only two people appearing in the media were the German minister of health Spahn and Bavarian prime minister Söder.
I havent seen a real comment from Merkel in months.

>> No.18314653

dear Lord, pls let number go up and only up, amen

>> No.18314654

>>18314638
Hey fuck you too buddy

>> No.18314657

>>18314620
>I’m almost convinced market moves can be greatly rooted in individual and collective psychology.
No shit Sherlock

>> No.18314660

>>18314626
Extremely based.

>> No.18314662

>>18314654
Fuck me? FUCK YOU!

>> No.18314664
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when bulls have to create the 10 thousandth post that it's bull season now, rest assured we're deep in bear market. the markets are behaving irrationally right now because everyone is trying to outsmart everyone else while the FED is pumping. the realization that the lockdown will last for a couple of months more did not sink in. stay strong bobros we're going down, without survivors.

>> No.18314667

Anyone thinking about something like BUD long?

People stay drinking at home, and shit is going to go wild if this goes away by the summer. They have high debt though.

>> No.18314672

>>18314644
I'm buying long term stocks along with dividends. Scooped up RTX again.

>> No.18314673

>he missed $8 CCL
are you going to miss $10 too?
how about $15?
$20?
seriously though, you aren't ACTUALLY going to miss $25?

see you faggots on my yacht

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18314676

b-bullbros????????????

>> No.18314678

LMFAO spy has an RSI of 85 holy shit this is overbought. where is clackbro when you need him tuesday is going to be a mega dump.

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>>18314448
>>18314448
>show me what is bullish about this economy
All that bad shit -----> Fed prints money to bail out financial industry -------> stocks go up
All that bad shit -----> Govt deficit skyrockets -------> stocks go up

>>18314591
>when velocity picks up
aka when it snows in hell

>> No.18314683

>>18314652
this is a sign of effective leadership

>> No.18314684

yesterday was Sunday
Italy, Spain and others will report worse numbers for coronavirus because inefficient reporting in the weekend

we might even close negative

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18314686

Whose ready for the lunch dump?

>> No.18314688

>>18314524
>>insurance companies are going to go bankrupt
>no
Correct

>>businesses are going bankrupt
>no
Incorrect

>>trillions in losses, massive unemployment
>gov't is going to backstop all economic loss with as much printing is needed. Multi-trillion $ infra bill up next
Correct - effects will level off situation and help P&C as well as help reduce some old inventories

>>bankrupt companies
>they'll be kept afloat
big bois, maybe.

>>low consumer spending due to loss of jobs
>consumer will be getting direct income to backfill lost wages, and will have a ton of pent up demand coming out of this flu lockdown
soon, but not yet

>>borrowers default
>no
Incorrect

>>what is bullish about this economy?
>bearish news is PRICED IN
retard

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18314691

>>18314664
We're actually ironically unironically back.

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18314693

>bought XOM because it broke the ceiling of 40.26
>got it at 40.28
>goes up to 40.43
>yay
>instantly drops to 39.45
I just have to laugh.
I'm so unbelievably bad at this

>> No.18314698

>>18314683
Yeah. Shes holed up in some place and does literally nothing. I feel like shes tired and just wants out.

>> No.18314700

>>18314680
>aka when it snows in hell
so you think the economy will never recover

>> No.18314705

>>18314678
how fucking zoomed in are you?

>> No.18314706

>>18314662
"fuck you this whole city and everyone in it..."

>> No.18314707

>@jimcramer
>this, right here, is when the bears should come out, if they believe so, and just say this is short covering. Why don't they do it now?

Cramer double dares you

>> No.18314713

>>18314688
what the fuck is this (you) even,

>> No.18314719

I think everything jumped because its the pump (by normies) before the fall. They think this is passing, or that they need a "safe" stock to dump their money into before the "return to normal".
Then the second dump happens when MM and dedicated retail investors get the fuck out of the obviously bad positions, then it dumps hard, especially on 2QT earnings whispers.

>> No.18314724

>>18314691
tripfag calling bull-market is the final proof and curse for all the bizbulls, hoping for digis to cement that statement.

>> No.18314725

>>18314678
If it's another coronavirus rate down day there will probably be a small dump or no dump at all. Too early to tell how the week is going to be, especially with OPEC in the background.

>> No.18314729

Anyone else here just to watches doomers seethe & cope over the fact that this happening wasnt The Big One they wetdream about? This thread is comedic gold

>> No.18314730

>>18314673
It’s a temporary raise tho. People will soon realize that this will last longer than they thought.
Unless someone magically has insider info on how long corona chan is gonna be around, any bulk purchase of this kind of stock of silly.

>> No.18314731

what the fuck is for lunch
roast beef sub???

>> No.18314732

SOXL ANON WHERE ARE YOUUUUUU

>> No.18314733

>>18314698
She's drunk on the wine she bought. That photo where everyone was saying they felt better because she bought her own wine before lockdown really is a sign of the times. I'm going to move north (Canada) and live out of my car when it gets warmer. Fuck all this

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18314736

REFR mooning

>> No.18314740

>>18314693
Dumb debiru that means buy more

>> No.18314742

I bought a lot today.
Is it time to turn off the stock market and come back in 5 years? Or did I fuck up and should I sell?

>> No.18314745

>Fed isn't Allowed to Buy Stocks and Not Necessary at This Point
> Worth Congress Re-Thinking Fed Asset Buying Powers - Former Fed Chair Yellen
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>> No.18314756

>>18314698
what boris should've done
either she makes it or we'll find out she's already dead when this is all over

>>18314707
His club and charity trust is "raising cash"
Don't know what they're selling, but they sold something.

https://twitter.com/TheStreet/status/1247172910676090881?s=20

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18314757

I'm up 30% on NVDA. Should I sell?

>> No.18314759

btw are there rules prohibiting china from buying too many murican bonds? or murican company stock? if not you guys might find yourself in deep shit.

>> No.18314762

>>18314745
just buy up the complete stock market, lolololololololol

>> No.18314765
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So, markets are finally calming down again, right?

>> No.18314767

>Cemex closing operations till end of April
Is this bullish or bearish

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>>18314745

>> No.18314770

>>18314730
lol you're already seething and it's only just begun

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18314771

Molson Coors (TAP) keeps getting halted

>> No.18314773

>>18314643
Dill or no dill?

>> No.18314778

>>18314700
if it couldnt recover from the dotcom bust or 2008, why would it recover from this one?

>> No.18314781

>>18314757
why would you ever sell a non-meme stock

>> No.18314783

>>18314277
NEE except you missed the bottom

>> No.18314793

>>18314759
There are rules when you own 10% or more of a company. Buffett had to get SEC approval or something when he wanted to buy more of one of the banks.

Bonds, I forget how that works

>>18314762
They could just buy 1% of the SPY or something. It's basically what japan does.

>> No.18314796

>>18314771
>buying beer stock instead of buying beer

>> No.18314798

>>18314693
BUY HIGH
SELL LOW

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>tfw closed immunomedics with 100% profits

>> No.18314813

Reminder that now is the time to sell not buy you absolute idiots

>> No.18314820

>>18314781
gotta take profits sometime, just dumped my GS, don't know how these stress tests are gonna go. Some financials may cut divvies.

>> No.18314821

>>18314778
because the fed cannot prop up a zombie economy by lowering rates again, so a deleveraging is likely.

>> No.18314831

>didn't buy the dip AGAIN
coronavirus is over, why didn't I realize?

>> No.18314832

Is OKE worth it now?

>> No.18314834

>>18314813
bought puts on OIL

>> No.18314838

BEARS GET FUCKED HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>18314813
I bought some more SRTY and DRV
I'm not gonna make it heh

>> No.18314845
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18314845

Is this is a bulltrap? This is definitely a bulltrap right??

>> No.18314847

>>18314771
hodling AB InBev (BUD)

>> No.18314850
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what would you say to him if you had the chance?

>> No.18314853

>>18314493
i have a put at 15 on brent, not sure i want to keep that one

>> No.18314855

>>18314250
Lol this shit is just devaluing constantly

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>>18314838
I bought puts at +900

>> No.18314858

>>18314850
>Lock step rape hikes?
>What the fuck were you thinking?

>> No.18314861

>boeing halts production indefinitely in Seattle
>stock goes up

>> No.18314866

>>18314693
Pretty insignificant fluctuation

>> No.18314869

>>18314767
BULLISH AS FUCK
BUY BUY BUY

>> No.18314870

>>18314850
>you're going to inflate so many bubbles that it's going to cause the greatest global financial disaster in human history when they all pop

>> No.18314871

>>18314850
The Courage to Act

>> No.18314872

Who KHC here?

>> No.18314879

>>18314512
w2c?

>> No.18314880

>>18314861
gamestop goes up.
lyft goes up.
wtf goes up.

>> No.18314881

>>18314861
>no more liability for poo-planes
bullish

>> No.18314882

>>18314431
Is this the analytic continuation of Riemann's zeta function?

>> No.18314883

I said
what the fuck is for lunch?

>> No.18314887
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18314887

SPY 300 by May cunts, read it and weep.

>> No.18314889

>>18314831
We told you it was a nothingburger

>> No.18314891

Everybody who's going short here is going to get slaughtered. The market doesn't care about a few cases of the sniffles in NYC/

>> No.18314893

>>18314781
I want to focus on dividends.

>> No.18314896

>>18314771
>>18314847
Thinking about both of these. Wait for the Q1 to come out first. Also hope this Seltzer fad doesn't take off.

BUD is pretty fucked with high debt already.
TAP is sticking to beer rather than seltzer.

>> No.18314905

>>18314872
You that desperate to off your bags, Warren?

>> No.18314907

If it looks like a bulltrap, smells like a bulltrap and acts like a bulltrap, what is it?

>> No.18314909
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18314909

>Breaking news
>- The Epidemic is under control
Norway just keeps winning. Are you even trying, rest of the world?

>> No.18314913

>>18314891
This. If oil is saved, the economy is saved, period. That plus the extremely aggressive QA is going to make it really hard for a bear market to continue.

>> No.18314919

>>18314905
What food based.do you rec with a nice divvy (if they keep up).

>> No.18314920

>>18314907
the prelude to a giant beartrap

>> No.18314921

>>18314907
Beartrap.

>> No.18314924

>>18314909
:DDDDD

>>18314883
Shhhhh
No talky til I'm done with coffee!

>> No.18314928

>>18314913
>100 dollar oil will save the economy

>> No.18314929

>>18314907
beartrap

imagine fighting both the Fed and the entire global bio-pharma R&D initiative

>> No.18314931

>>18314907
the fed making sure the bulls dont get trapped

>> No.18314936

I am financially ruined

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18314943

>>18314924
BASED

>> No.18314946

>>18314913
>That plus the extremely aggressive QA is going to make it really hard for a bear market to continue.
Even if you choose to ignore the supply chain disruptions, margin calls in real estate, etc. the very second infinite QA is turned off rates will spike.

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>>18314891
It wouldn't be optimally squeezy without shorties doubling down exactly like that.

>> No.18314951

>>18314919
general fucking mills

>> No.18314952

>>18314919

Sysco has both delighted and infuriated me so far. Wild swings but an excellent dividend track record and yield atm

2/3rds of their business is restaurants and 1/3 is military and prison food.

>> No.18314954

>>18314929
imagine fighting math and nature

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18314956

>Made $800 on a Hail Mary UAL put opened at the top and closed near the bottom.
>Still have another put ready to sell when the price falls through the floor.
That fake and gay pump was too obvious.

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>>18314907
A bear trap obviously. This is not javascript you fucking duck nigger.

>> No.18314965

Narrative for the next week:
New models show the virus is under control/social distancing worked/were passed the worst and can return to normal faster than we thought. The stimulus was too much, the economy is going to take off like a rocket. Every boomer is going to go out and FOMO into stocks to not miss out on the dip.

I'm bearish over the next 6 months/2 years when people realize the economy isn't that strong, but this shits going to moon in the short term.

>> No.18314970

>>18314919
If you a Divvy Bro, KHC ain't bad. KO being shilled hard on here as a good food divvy stock.

>> No.18314973

>REITS
>REM
Imagine believing the fake ass pump on them before realizing Oh! The markets might still be going up but its still closed everywhere!

>> No.18314972

>>18314907
ur mum

>> No.18314974
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18314974

I JUST WOKE UP WHY IS EVERYTHING UP WHAT HAPPENED

>> No.18314978

>>18314919
Nestle.

>> No.18314984

>dat $46 resistance on AMD currently getting hit

time to short the top?

>> No.18314986

>>18314946
what supply chain disruption? You mean the issue of idiots buying about 15% more than usual because they have been panicking for a week. Temporary issue

>> No.18314988

BUY MORE NIGGERS

>> No.18314989

>>18314956
>trying to short such a massive upwards breakout
falling knife, if anything we're going to rise on through to Thursday before a slowdown.

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>>18314920
>>18314921
>>18314929
>>18314931
>>18314964
>if all evidence points towards a thing it's actually the thing my emotions want it to be instead
how could all of you have come up with such a clever and witty response independently?

>> No.18314994

>>18314974
Nothing. Literally nothing happened. Nobody famous got sick. There aren't massive graves filling up. No news is good news, buy buy buy!

>> No.18314996

>>18314989
no volume you retard, get with it

>> No.18315003

>>18314974
New models show the virus already peaked and it was 80-90% lower than expected.

>> No.18315004

>>18314974
>waking up 2 hours after markets opened
>complaining
if you care about prices then wake up when the volume is highest and show some responsibility for your money - otherwise I'll be taking it

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>>18314992
>evidence

>> No.18315007

>>18314974
The world didn't end

>> No.18315019

>>18314989
I already profit took, fag. Worst case scenario I sell the second put without profit and accept my $800.
Playing multi day roulette is suicide right now.

>> No.18315021

>>18314954
imagine being bearish while the majority of quant fund and CTA positioning is at historic lows. The only reason we ever got to 2100 on the SPX to begin with was them puking everything risk-related in historic fashion

>> No.18315023

>>18314801
You lucky fucking nigger.

>> No.18315024

bought a gangload of AAL. whhy was this bad?

>> No.18315025

>>18314909
>"We made a mistake and the situation is, in fact, not good!"
>t. no politician ever

>> No.18315031

>>18314994
Japan announced state of emergency just yesterday. That's why this doesn't make any sense.

>> No.18315033

>>18314996
>no volume
That's not even true, we're seeing massive volume on SPY at least compared to the past 3 sessions. Furthermore we're only an hour and a half into the session.

I'm telling you man, don't try to catch that knife, I'm trying to help you.

>> No.18315034

What's the purchase column on my positions indicate? How much I last purchased stocks for? Or just the average of all the stocks I've bought for that company?

>> No.18315036
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18315036

>>18314965
>tfw our benevolent overlords have realized that they overreacted and now they need a way out while also saving face and not admitting they made a mistake.

>> No.18315038

>>18314992
Always do the opposite of /biz fucktard

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>>18314974
he did

>> No.18315046

>>18314965
>The stimulus was too much, the economy is going to take off like a rocket.
>this shits going to moon in the short term

that was their intention, the market seems to think that the FED provided adequate liquidity, but will all companies remain solvent in the long term? obviously not, and plus businesses will get decimated anyway. the economic shock is too harsh.

>> No.18315047

>>18315024
Enjoy your quadrupled return in a few months

>> No.18315049

>>18315021
>quant fund positioning is at historic lows
are you trying to sound like you know what you're talking about

>> No.18315050

>>18315031
Everyone knew Japan was faking being fine to just keep the olympics alive

>> No.18315058

>>18315046
>plus businesses will get decimated anyway
*small businesses

>> No.18315059

>>18315038
so short the market?

>> No.18315060

>>18314965
>when people realize the economy isn't that strong
why would that be?

>> No.18315061

>>18315050
Now that they have no olympics they can pull back the curtain.

>> No.18315066

>>18315031
You must not be an American. We DGAF about anyone other than ourselves. That's why we think we're all immune to this outbreak and thus spreading it like wildfire.

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>>18314978
REALLY kicking myself for missing this one, Mondalez as well.

>>18314919
PEP
KO

>>18315031
Announcing a state of emergency, when it was already plainly obvious that there was a state of emergency, is NOT something to panic over. It is bullish, all it means is the gov't is now free to use more tools that would otherwise not be available.

>>18315033
FUCK
You're probably right
I need to start using TDA or tradingview

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18315080

>>18315033
Its just about the same amount volume.

>> No.18315081

>>18314965
You might be right but fuck, this shit should definitely last into june, no way we get away with only a month long lockdown. Gonna look at the cuomo conference for guidance, if he says it's slowing, it's slowing. It's been 3 weeks, italy had 6 going on 7 and we don't have a police mandated lockdown.

>> No.18315082

Fucking day trading rules are annoying. You can make cake by day trading options but I'm maxed out for the week and have to wait until thursday until my 25k transfers into my investment account.

>> No.18315083

>>18314994
>>18315031
ok goys, nobody in america gives a fuck about chinks. Here we all just care if we have enough fucking toilet paper to last the winter. Looks like Jerome shit enough money into the garbage disposal this time that we can moon, so you better get on the ride before its too fucking late

>> No.18315086

>>18315024
>Buying a 5 year low
Good job. If you can just close your broker and not look at it for a year you're going to do great.

>> No.18315089

>>18315068
Why KO vs KHC? Guessing revenue and need for beetus juice

>> No.18315090

Your thoughts on gush stocks?

>> No.18315091

>>18315033
>we're seeing massive volume on SPY at least compared to the past 3 sessions
lying is bad for your health. i can see us rising up through thursday, but I will still be surprised if we hit SPY@2800 before SPY@2300.

>> No.18315102

Why is volume so low today?

>> No.18315104

>>18315082
just buy month out and sell next day or hold until profitable. not rocket science.

>> No.18315106

>>18315059
Do you see the number of butthurt bears in here right now? Go long.

>> No.18315111

If we breach 2650 we're back
If we don't breach 2650 we're going to shatter 2000 4/17.

>> No.18315115

>>18315059
No, but everytime I do, I lose money. The ol' /biz way

>> No.18315123

NEW
>>18315117
>>18315117
>>18315117

>> No.18315124

>>18315089
apples and oranges dude what kind of question is why KO vs KHC?

>> No.18315126

I'm long and strong fellas

>> No.18315127

>>18315080
how did you get the arrows

>> No.18315133

>>18315066
>Oh fuck how is it possible that the third largest country in the world has more cases than smaller countries??

>> No.18315134

>>18315089
you shouldn't have to ask this question

How often do you see people consuming KO products vs. KHC products? Which are putting out new products that seem like good bets? Which have product lines that are more resilient?

>> No.18315144

>>18314919
GIS

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>>18315091
Sorry but does that look like low volume to you? Are we looking at the same chart?

>> No.18315153

>>18315104
Lmao good luck on not losing money.

Options are literally centered around time decay and good luck with holding 20k worth of options overnight.

>> No.18315160

>>18315147
unironically bearish
retail retards piling in
going to get rekt

>> No.18315165

>>18315033
>we're seeing massive volume on SPY at least compared to the past 3 sessions
Surely nobody on /smg/ watches charts and can see this is total bullshit, right?

>> No.18315181

>>18314524
>>insurance companies are going to go bankrupt
Can confirm, working as a consultant for an insurance & banking company. They are getting fucking rekt right now already by unemployment insurance claims but the worst is yet to come and they are working their asses of to figure out how to reduce the amount of claims.

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>>18315102
Because nobody is buying this fake pump.

>> No.18315191

>>18315102
because the smart money isnt rushing into a fake bull charge

>> No.18315192

>>18315160
>low volume is bearish
>high volume is also bearish
Trying to justify your shitty position after the fact is not helpful to you as an investor.

>> No.18315205

>>18315127
Those are reddit upvotes and downvotes

>> No.18315239

>>18314657
Well yeah, but tell that to all the people here and elsewhere raging against muh irrational markets. You’d think it would be a more common understanding and people would trade on it.

>> No.18315269

>>18315049
nah i know what i'm talking about just fine

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>>18314850
I-i love you!

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Perspective matters

>> No.18315371

>>18314432
Fed's doing QEfinity. People are thinking hey maybe we should put 10% in this gold stuff.

>> No.18315493

>>18314626
Masyaallah

>> No.18315658

>>18314208
The ones that pay dividends, YES.

>> No.18316565

>>18314284
well reverse to mean in 1 generation
if problem was so easily solved it would be alreadt