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>>18305659
Gommunism

Domino theory. We didn't want communism (and thus less US influence) to spread throughout SEA

>>18305659
we had to keep communism from spreading to japan to protect anime

>>18305692
God Bless America

>>18305659
rubber

asbestos

>>18305659
What a great excuse break the Breton woods system via the nixon shock.
ALL WARS ARE BANKER WARS

>>18305673
So basically the same reason the USA decided to "rescue" Europe from the nazis after the Soviet Union already won the war and would have swept over europe? Good to know.

>>18305769
Based Jews.

>>18305659
The gookers had a Stargate.

>>18305659
>>>/his/
Hello newfag you do know there are other boards right

>>18305659
To transfer tax money to the military industrial complex

>>18305769
>muh shiny boomer rocks
Floating the dollar was necessary unless USA was going to engage in massive protectionist/mercantilist economic policies. We couldn’t maintain the standard forever without a blatantly imperialist foreign and economic stance.

Tight vietnamese pussy.

>>18305669
>>18305673
>>18305692
Osama Bin Laden caused the attack on 911
God you morons will believe anything.

>>18305659
Korea and Vietnam were wars of Chinese containment which is why the wars in Asia stopped after Nixon opened up trade with them.

>>18305659
Vietnam was planning to invade America.

>>18305659
>a nation of mongoloids
To get your burger ass kicked and realize that real world is not you cowboys shooting at indians in your bedrooms while mommy is cooking the dinner.

>>18305692

>>18305659
Communism was not valuable.

>>18305673
>Domino theory.
This is correct. All hindsight is 20-20 4channers don't get it. The USA didn't know what they didn't know about the spread of commifucks. It was spreading like wildfire.
AND
The USA also failed to prevent Europe from becoming socialist.

>>18305777
That was Iraq.

Jeez you guys are all very uninformed

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Triangle_(Southeast_Asia)

>>18305894
There are buried Stargates all over the world.

>>18305875
Then why did we lie to instigate the war? If it was that important why didn’t we nuke them? It was a war we could have easily won if we reaaaaally wanted to

>>18305659
you zommer bitch we invaded korea and created south korea if it wasnt for us there wouldnt be al the companies that now exist in south korea

>>18305875
Socialism was YUGE in the US(S)A during the early 20th century. I envy the lucky comrades living it up in the timeline where country after country fell to Socialism. Imagine how comfy that would be. Meanwhile we're stuck in this clown world timeline.

>>18305909
and ironically afghanistan became kings of opium because american involvement

>>18305821
>muh shiny boomer rocks
Not a PM fan myself, but you can't deny that gold was viewed as money. The theft of the gold in the 30's is something few bother to understand.
>Floating the dollar was necessary
only cause the US was creating too many dollars, these dollars were created for the war. This is my point. But yea, one way or another it was probably not going to last. I don't think it was meant to.
>unless USA was going to engage in massive protectionist/mercantilist economic policies.
obviously not
>We couldn’t maintain the standard forever without a blatantly imperialist foreign and economic stance.
You're having a dam good go at it to be fair.

So are you saying the Vietnam war was not one of the main reasons for the break up of Bretton woods?

>Furthermore, a negative balance of payments, growing public debt incurred by the Vietnam War, and monetary inflation by the Federal Reserve caused the dollar to become increasingly overvalued in the 1960s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_shock
It's the accepted reason.

Also, as few here would even have such a rebuttal. Check out
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triffin_dilemma

>>18306013
my guess would be public sentiment. People still remembered korea, not to mention ww2

>>18306013
>Then why did we lie to instigate the war?
You still have to convince the population. USA is a republic.
>If it was that important why didn’t we nuke them?
Nuke = destabilize everything. That's not the aim of (most)wars.
> It was a war we could have easily won if we reaaaaally wanted to
See point #1. USA can win any war BUT if the war loses support of the general public... it's over.

>>18306147
Japan turned out great even after getting bombed twice.

Public was fine with using dropping nukes on Japan, and seeing how hundreds of thousands of Americans got killed in Vietnam why wouldn’t they support another round of dropping nukes?

>>18305659
France was going to destroy NATO. They were saying, "the Americans have armies in Europe, but they don't have cities in Europe". The French were pushing the prediction that when the Red Army invades, the Americans will cut and run. They wanted Europe to leave NATO, so that they'd have more negotiating autonomy, and therefore be able to make a side-deal with the Soviets (not a full-on unconditional surrender, but a disadvantageous peace treaty).

The entire reason to fight the Vietnam War was to prove to the Europeans that the USA was willing to spend a hell of a lot of blood and treasure, purely for the sake of a flimsy security agreement made with an unimportant ally; even if it was not in USA's direct interest in any way (South Vietnam had nothing of value to the US to defend. It was purely about making a point to the Europeans). The implication was, "If we Americans are willing to do all of this for rinky-dink little South Vietnam, imagine what we'd do for actually strategically/economically important allies like you Europeans. We'd move heaven-and-Earth if it came to it". Letting South Vietnam after the peace was also part of the message. "You've got to keep your shit together and fight as well. If you're as corrupt, incompetent, infiltrated, and internally divided as South Vietnam; we won't carry you forever."

The Domino Theory was US propaganda. Shining such a huge spotlight on Europe's ambivalence about NATO would have been bad for NATO, so the US couldn't be so direct in its messaging.

It worked, and NATO was saved for the duration of the Cold War.

>>18306216
>Japan turned out great even after getting bombed twice.
Japan submitted on their knees to the USA. Plz make it stop.
>Public was fine with using dropping nukes on Japan
Total war (indiscriminate killing of civilian populations) != Vietnam.
There are particular mainstream photos of the war in vietnam (e.g. naked napalm women running towards that camera) that had a deep impact on public USA sentiment of the war.
See my last post:
USA can win any war BUT if the war loses support of the general public... it's over.

>>18306043
yeah living in a totalitarian dictatorship would be le heckin epic comraderino

>>18306298
Hmm I see. That last bit is interesting, I wasn’t alive at the time.

>>18306216
4chan is not well read (enough).
>Japan turned out great even after getting bombed twice.
Japanese industry leaders met with William Edwards Deming (American) after WW2 and decided to model their corporations after his research and teachings:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Edwards_Deming
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_economic_miracle
Thanks USA.

>>18305659
France was being an asshole to the Vietnamese people so they started rebelling because they were promised freedom and independence many times but never got it.

French forces cant handle the rebels because they suck at fighting, so they leave and give the colony to the rebels. French economic downturn happens because of all the rubber that is no longer being produced.

HoChiMinh declares that they are going to be comminist because they have nothing and the Russians are willing to give them everything they need if they get Vietnam's rubber. A second smaller government led by a literal who is proped up by the french in the south to try to maintain trade relations. Literal who cant compete with the promise of free gibs so people start leaving and the south starts collapsing.

France throws a bitchfit that they lost their shit and backed the losing side and comes crying to the U.S. saying if the we dont help them put down this rebellion they are going to join the Soviet Union.

Kennedy is a fucking idiot and doesnt call France's bluff so they fake the gulf of Tonkin and enter the war.

>>18306298
>!=
god damn i fucking hate you pieces of shit so fucking much
go back to coding word press you fucking losers

>>18306108
You’re forgetting that Bretton woods was what established USD as the global reserve currency. The US military industrial complex has been buffed up to keep things stable but it was impossible to maintain domestic gold reserves to economically support the whole world. Vietnam hastened the end but remember that the federal government ran surpluses in the 1960s. Federal budgets don’t have shit for power compared to the federal reserve. Never forget that 1971 and the year that things changed.

>>18305659
>What did those gooks have in the fucking 60's that was valuable to us.

Millions of warm bodies to expend billions in military equipment upon.

>>18306381
You’re giving America waaaaay too much credit here. You could give the same support and aid to 90% of countries on earth and they’d never become as successful as Japan or South Korea.

>>18306390
Why would they be so dependent on Vietnamese rubber when synthetic rubber production process was invented decades before

if you ever lived near a large community or knew any vietnamese growing

you would understand why we invaded the godless heathens

but we invaded them to get to cambodia/laos/other SEAmonkey countries, vietnam was just the launching point/agreed upon fighting ground

we suceeded in our mission (bomb the shit out of those other places) but failed to win the meme public war

>>18306390
This!
It's been documented that HoChiMinh was a great admirer of the US founding fathers and actually wanted Vietnam to partner with the US but the American gov at that time had other ideas (due to French being an ally) so the man went to Russia and behold, Russians gave them all the support they wanted.

>>18306656
Soviet union was desperate for all recources including the land for rice farming and the deepwater ports to build naval bases on.

short summary:
Burgers invaded Nam to do some shit, they wasted time actually freaking out and shooting at the woods for months, while the kongs were living under their feet and shooting them in and out.
They proved to be one of the worse and most retarded army in history, they fired more bombs and bullets than the entire WW2, to the woods.
Since they weren't having any success and the troops were taking too much lsd and alcool, at a certain point they decided to go home and make a lot of movies about that to celebrate their courage.
They were full of completely crazy veterans after that, they treated them like shit and made other movies about.
The end.

oh and also to create qt hapa orphans with all the bangkok betties for us future generations to enjoy via inexpensive sex trips to those countries

>>18306712
>6
Reminds me of playing online games whereby one guy has destroyed the other guys base but he never gives up so the other gamer just quits out of frustration.

>>18306729
LOL pretty much spot on

>>18305772
>after the Soviet Union already won the war
Bro you've been listening to too many self-hating fags. Look up the "Lend-Lease" program, USA replaced more than 100% of Russia's tanks. As in, without the USA, Russia would have seriously, not as a joke, been reduced to 0 tanks while the fighting vs Germany was still going strong for years. And we didn't just buy tanks, that's just the biggest eye opener. We supplied their entire war machine.

>>18306608
>You’re forgetting that Bretton woods was what established USD as the global reserve currency
nope, never, that's obvious AF. Lucky for RoW that reserve currencies last about 80 years. The USD (FRNs) has had its ~80 years. Hope the next is similar to SDRs with the basket, & affiliated with no country.
>Vietnam hastened the end but remember that the federal government ran surpluses in the 1960s.
Hence why I said that this war is a bankers war, I do hope you see the connection there. I (((TOTALLY))) understand its conspiracy theory. I could show you no evidence except history.
>Never forget that 1971 and the year that things changed.
Hence why I brought up the Nixon shock myself...In fact what all my posts have been about.
Also, the year that changed things was '33 in burgerland but the early '30s for the whole west.
Night Anon, check out the Triffin dilemma if haven't already.

>>18306718
They’re the largest country in the world and had Ukraine at the time which was and still is known as the breadbasket of Europe, they didn’t need any land for farming at all. They had ports on the eastern and western ends and I could see them seeking one in the SEA area but communist naval bases were not fungible to the s.u there was a concrete line between each communist country separated by autonomy

>>18306876
That was ww2, Vietnam was an entirely different era

>>18306043
What you envy is their lack of scarcity. The world had 2 billion people instead of 8 billion people. Their government policies didn't make things better, having 1/4 the people made things better. Imagine 3 out of 4 people on the entire planet disappearing, houses would cost 5 years worth of work if that.

>>18306888
The guy I'm responding to is talking about Soviets vs Nazis in WW2.

>>18306909
wtf is wrong with you norths, seriously

>>18306936
What are you disputing?

Stargates.

>>18305659
pokemons

>>18306952
Your dreams about exterminating people to reduce the (((costs))).
>it's logic, see? 1+1=exterminate 50% of 99%
Is it in your blood or they tell you at school?

>>18306988
Do you read at a 3rd grade level or just have a narcissistic desire to imagine people around you are retards? I'm telling that guy that things were better because of a smaller population and that socialism isn't the reason things were better. If I wanted to murder 3/4 of the population I'd just convert to judaism and volunteer for whatever the rabbi was up to.

>>18306909
Well the countries had higher population growth under socialism than they do with capitalism now. But the population would level out with the massive increases in global literacy and education in the other timeline.

>>18306581
based

>>18305769

So? I'm willing to die for Yisrael and so should all of us.

>>18307170
I'm not a Mutt though

>>18307037
>Do you read at a 3rd grade level or just have a narcissistic desire to imagine people around you are retards?
probably both, but checking just in case

Communism was better in wealth distribution, capitalism actually needs a financial potential difference between richs and poors to work, and infact crisis are very frequent in order to allow it to go on.
Those are fucking old ideologies and could be easily overcome in the new century, thanks to the advances in technology that we already have.
There's no need to just update brakes and lights on a ford model t, when you can change the car or revolutionize the idea of car at all.

>>18307040
They'd starve. Because we live in the real world, where they starved.

>>18305875
Why does it matter if other countries want to be Communist? You fucking boomers fought a 3rd world quasi commie country, only to hand the entire system to a ruthless communist dictator in the CCP. Feels bad man

>>18305659
I think they were a strategically important source of natural rubber or something but it was mostly just "gommunism bad XD"