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>>18284985

First for OIL IS A FUCK ON MONDAY AND I CANNOT WAIT

fuck anime

futures are blood red

How are you playing anons? I'm currently sitting on cash, gonna short Zoom soon, not sure what to do about SPY puts. Lost 8K and trying to figure my way back up again.

Anyone buying Kroger and Walmart stocks? Q1 earnings have to be crazy.

>https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-philippines-dutert/shoot-them-dead-philippine-leader-says-wont-tolerate-lockdown-violators-idUSKBN21K0AY
>The Philippines has recorded 96 coronavirus deaths and 2,311 confirmed cases, all but three in the past three weeks, with infections now being reported in the hundreds every day.
>“It is getting worse. So once again I’m telling you the seriousness of the problem and that you must listen,” Duterte said late on Wednesday.
>“My orders to the police and military ... if there is trouble and there’s an occasion that they fight back and your lives are in danger, shoot them dead.”
>“Is that understood? Dead. Instead of causing trouble, I will bury you.”

is this bullish?

>>18285027
Hoping I can get out of my entertainment stocks because they are going to be fucked for a lot longer than they might be able to avoid having to downside or declare bankruptcy. Holding on airlines since they are probably too big to fail.

Yes, to eleven Wall Street please.

Hohohoho boys I am FUCKED Monday, wow!

RIP

>>18285001
It may go down $4-5 but that is a great opportunity for everyone to buy the dip.

anyone else european and trades purely with leveraged etps/certifications
like free commission, can buy/sell at any time in the day, easy to scalp, risk free leverage up to fucking 20x.
wtf is the downside

>>18285049
he doesn't look so good

>>18285049
Tons of call centers over there, going to be a major disruption for sure.

Normally I'd be convinced that Monday would be blood red
But this is clown market rules so I'm expecting emerald green instead
But that feels so wrong that I'm expecting it to be red anyway
But then the clown market
This market is so fucking confusing

Any anon have the latest graph of the current S&P500 superimposed over the 2008/1929 graphs?

>>18285116
nah, his health is fine, Filipinos just look like shit in general

New to the game here, how bad of an idea is it to start picking up these airline stocks? Can I rely on them dipping much lower without bankruptcy? Will I get fucked if the government buys out Boeing?

They told us were were wrong...

They said we were going down to 1...

...The (((Analysts))) were wrong .

Now we're going 20+

There's no stopping now.

https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/codx

>>18285132
Wait. Nothing will change any time soon, they’ll just keep dropping.

>>18285132
Delta is spending $60m a day. Bullish, obviously

>>18285132
buffet-san just dropped them. Tread carefully in your evaluations.

>>18285129
no but iirc we're at the peak of the bulltrap before the plummet.

>>18285122
We entered clown market stage after the crash last month. The fundamentals are strong, so there shouldn't be any reason for the stock market to crash?

>>18285132
why the fuck are so many people so fucking obsessed with airline stocks? NO ONE IS FLYING NO REVENUE IS BEING GENERATED FUCK OFF ALREADY WHY WOULD YOU BUY THIS SHIT RIGHT NOW JUST STOP

>>18284990

GE is not an aviation company retard.

>>18285146
>>18285149
>>18285154
>>18285158
easy bait. every time

>>18285158
You say that but do you know how many people in this thread keep wanting to buy shale stocks or GUSH?

>>18285132
Very likely to be bailed out. BULLISH.

Wait why do people think monday will be red? What's the news?

>only bought 1 (one) $500 put on shell on thursday because I wasn't sure about how long saudis would let orangeman pump before they drop the mother of all dumps
I'm a fraud

>>18285163
retard

>>18285122
>>18285157
every time i read FA posters' posts i laugh. you guys should really join the TA side instead of being confused and losing money all the time. let the market tell you what to do, don't try to tell the market what it should be doing. the only times i lost money when i was a noob was saying this phrase, and let me know if you've ever said something along these lines yourself ever as a FA trader: "BUT THE COMPANY IS SO GOOD IT'S GOT X,Y, and Z GOING ON, IT SHOULD GO UP! WHY IS IT GOING DOWN IT SHOULD GO UP?!?!?!" this is the cry of the FA trader losing money when the TA trader just took a short when he got the signal, got his profit, and got out.

GE is one of the most horribly mismanged companies of the last thirty years.

>oil gets pumped by a tweet
>up for the week
>weekend goes by
>news that trump faked any talks
>oil will drop next week
I'm going long on oil on Tuesday, I think
USO is a bit risky, imo, considering that the price is so reliant on futures prices, and contango *can* have an effect
I'm thinking GUSH, IEO, and OIL? any recs?

No, really guys, White diamond analysts posted TWICE on seeking alpha that the fair value of the stock is 1 USD. The long term value now is 20+
https://seekingalpha.com/symbol/CODX?s=codx
>>18285138

Daily reminder not to blindly trust (((analysts))).

>>18285179
The US is going to have 40k new cases of Coronavirus either today, tomorrow, or both.

>>18285199
yeah
they still have lots of assets though

>>18285132
Airline stocks are shit in general
they'll continue hemorrhaging money until coronachan goes away, they'll get bailed out, learn nothing, and continue being zombie organizations.
I'd rather not touch it, you could probably make money swing trading it though.

>>18285172
if it was one guy doing it rarely i'd agree with the bait proposition but we get people here every day talking about buying the dip, it's getting really annoying and it's not bait they actually believe this shit. and even if you want to go as far as saying literally everyone here is only baiting and never serious, you should at least be able to agree that there are certainly millions of people out in the world who do believe that sort of stuff.

>>18285158
Nobody is flying right now, but what about tomorrow? Next month? Next year? Huh?

Supply chains have not 100% stopped, how are you supposed to import face masks and medical supplies to another country faster then?

Any advice for selecting ETFs? for example, if I want to buy an ETF that follows S&P500, what would the difference be between vanguard, Spider and shares ETFs?
Should I look at cost, volume and/or price?

>>18285227
that's the same few people lol

>>18285228
why the fuck would you buy a company that has just lost 80% of its revenue sources at BEST for the next YEAR or longer? who is in debt up to their ears? who could likely go bankrupt or get nationalized if it's FUBAR but the country needs it? fuck off kid i hope you lose all your money just so that there is some justice in the world.

all i can ask is if you think people will be flying in a year, but not until then, why the fuck would you buy now? for all you know it'll drop another 50% or more before things get better, why wouldn't you wait and buy THEN instead of NOW when it's going down? why can't you just fucking wait for the start of a recovery instead of trying to catch a falling knife? this isn't hard and yet here i am, explaining something a 5th grader could understand.

>>18285198
I called the bottom at 18500, TA traders shorted the bottom and lost thousands. Nobody is a smartass in this market. TA/FAfags, Cramer, Schiff, Powell, Trump, Buffett, etc. never had perfect calls in their life. There is NOBODY who can beat the market. NOBODY can dictate the market. Faggot.

>"BUT THE COMPANY IS SO GOOD IT'S GOT X,Y, and Z GOING ON, IT SHOULD GO UP! WHY IS IT GOING DOWN IT SHOULD GO UP?!?!?!"
The fundamentals of a company is still important, especially their earnings report.

Should I buy this week? Or is it going lower, got 60k in dry powder to use

>>18285240
spdr sector etfs are great.

>>18285294
That's just you being fearful but I doubt the market will go down for another 50%. Fed won't allow that, nope!

>>18285107
>>18285001
Good chance to get oil stocks for the next decade. But it wont be a quick recovery. There is way too much supply and its not going away for several months at least. Good chance to slowly get oil for after.

>>18285240
there are a handful of things to consider, including the cost of investing into it—some of them have a cost related to being able to state that it follows a certain index.
look at the holdings of the fund and invest accordingly—while schwab's fund (SWPPX) has had higher returns than the S&P, the holdings are considerably smaller than others (around $35b); compare VOO, which matches the S$P very closely, and manages almost $400b. Given that, I would consider something like a 75/25 between these two funds—investing more into the Vanguard for stability, less into the Schwab, but with potentially higher returns.
Other index funds can be googled, of course. I think that asset management is probably the most important thing to me.

>>18285240
Depends on what you want to do with it.
If you want to long term hold just find the one with the smallest expense ratio.
If you want to swing trade it, find one with high liquidity.
If you're confident in a certain sector, get one that tracks that sector

>>18285272
maybe you're right, im mostly just railing against the boomer concept of buying cheapies in this extreme situation the world is currently in. the concept of it, rather than any given individual talking about it. the idea is what pisses me off not the person saying it, know what i mean? but yeah i'll probably just go back to ignoring them now, i've said my piece.

To be honest, you retards losing hope in this market is making me more bullish than ever!

>>18285163
kek

Aren't index funds risky in the current environment? Shifting into companies with rock solid balance sheets seems like a safer play.

>>18285353
I want to make the birdmaid mine

Rate my Boomerfolio:
>Ford
>General Electric
>GM
>Exxon
>Chevron
>Disney
>Raytheon
>Boeing
>Delta Airlines

Anything else I should add?

just came across the bloomberg financial series of books today while exploring my amazon rpime account.

is this worth reading or should i just get hot tips from wsb?

>>18285007
Where do you check them?

>>18285204
only plebs ignored this

>>18285373
KHC and MO

>>18285373
>boeing
>delta
>chevron
>Exxon
>ford

Is Monday isn’t bigly red I’m blowing my brains out

>>18285373
KO

>>18285373
KHC

>>18285001
why so sure about that?
OPEC is postponed to 8th/9th i guess

>>18285373

Nice

SPY $180 PUT 4/17
how fucked am i

>>18285408
Like I said it's a boomerfolio, I'm thinking I'll drop like 2-3K in it just to see how it goes.

>>18285410
>>18285421
>>18285401
Thanks

>>18285240
Investopedia has a whole section on just that. Personally, I have heard from a friend that is basically only invested in ETFs that he always checks for what is called "tracking errors", because there's ETF's out there that doesn't track their underlying indexes as well as they should be doing and that clearly seems like an important part of what to look at when picking an ETF

>>18285373
i hope youre short on DIS, BA, DAL
maybe think about CLX, SBUX, AAPL, AMZN

>>18285182
i've said it multiple times but i've got thousands in RDS.B but i'll welcome any drop. PLEASE let me buy this golden moneymaker at a discount.

>>18285314
Hold cash. Can't say when, but it's going down in the upcoming months for sure. If you're antsy and feel like firing away then do so with a small amount. I'm 80k cash and waiting myself

>>18285430
ask your magic 8 ball if SPY will be red this next week
you are pretty fucked otherwise, you're 70 points OTM, and depending on the premium, your breakeven might be another 10 points

>>18285430
Holy shit lol

>>18285430
what the fuck is wrong with you

>>18285446
DIS, BA, and DAL definitely have room to fall I'll probably hold off on those, might even exclude DIS entirely.

>>18285373
>Boeing
>Delta
Delta might honestly get bought out or pillaged after bankruptcy followings and then your stock will be worthless.
Boeing is going to be a zombie corporation. It was fucked even before this started. Look at GM's stock price if you want some indication of what can happen with that (you'll have to find archives since their current listing is after they reissued stock)

>>18285114
Trade certs too, gonna buy some oil bull certs for the OPEC meeting, looking at 100% gain.

>>18285203
USL is supposed to mitigate the effect of contango, maybe look into it?

>>18284985
>sn't it

>>18285451
>80k cash
What will you buy at the bottom? I can't make up my mind between index funds and blue chips because the stress caused by this once in a lifetime opportunity makes me doubt and argue with myself over and over again.

>>18285435
fair, though I'd be careful with long term holding oil stocks and poorly managed companies
I'd maybe add consumer staples like KO, PEP and PG
maybe some giant tech companies that aren't going anywhere, AMZN, AAPL, GOOG and MSFT for example.

>>18285471
Why are there so many bears? Did you fuckers just learn about puts or something?

>>18285240
What if I want dividend ETFs? I've heard VYM and HDIV are one of the best? Are there any others to consider? I'm prepared to hold these for a long time.

>>18285489
last week we were at $220 didnt seem that unreasonable to me

>>18285430
You're already fucked, the weekend will have decayed that shit beyond profitability unless we open like 5% down Monday.

Why you guys buy puts so far out of the money is beyond me, are you that poor?

>>18285373
You will be broke in the next 3 year. This is fucking retarded. F is going to zero, GE is going to zero, GM is going to zero, BA is going to zero, DAL is going to zero, XOM CVX RTX and DIS are the only quality on that list.

>NUMBER OF PATIENTS IN INTENSIVE CARE IN ITALY FALLS FOR THE FIRST TIME; THERE ARE NOW 3,994 ICU PATIENTS, 74 FEWER THAN YESTERDAY

>he doesn't plan on profiting from global conflict and cyber sabotage
what are you doing

>>18285522
So Italy, which has been under quarantine for 6 weeks is now at the halfway point? Very bullish for the US. I'm thinking +20% on Monday.

>>18285522
good. get this over with. fucking nothing burger.

>>18285300
>I called the bottom at 18500, TA traders shorted the bottom and lost thousands.

excuse me? since that thursday when this whole thing started crashing, price was in a downtrend. this whole time the TA was telling you that you were in a downtrend, and you think TA traders are losing money? lmao. if you're truly an FA trader you would have been DCA'ing through all of this, claiming you called the bottom is a big disingenuous if you bought all the way down lmao

>>18285492
>make american, delta, southwest and united meet
>force them to create 2 airlines
>give both flag carrier tags
>?????????
>PROFIT

paulson wouldve done this already

>>18285522
probably a statistical fluke

>>18285522
bearish

>>18285512
people are poor, and usually dont have approval (or knowledge) to do the most basic vertical spreads, so they dont understand that options can be even cheaper, if they're willing to limit potential upside—god forbid that the unlimited upside be capped in order to limit risk and lower costs

>>18285494
made 40k doing both bear after tweet and bull in the morning when it mooned like fuck for no reason at all
but god, the x12 cert went from $6 to $40 at peak. i was swinging that, wish i just held instead

>>18285172
Not baiting. I might be retarded and only began investing because of hype, my goal here is just to try and grasp what the hell is happening.

NOOOOOO, NOT THE HECKIN' NIGGERINOS.

>>18285435

>FB
>APPL
>GOOGL
>MSFT
>MCD
>SBUX
>KO
>BIP
>BAM
>NEE
>CVX
>LMT
>KTOS

Superior boomerfolio imo, suggestions?

>>18285567
also obesity is more common in those populations, which is an *actual* comorbidity
im all for equality, but jesus christ she shoots herself in the foot when she throws out shit like that

>>18285567
Bullish for Nike.

>>18285541
>is now at the halfway point
Haha. You can't actually lift the lockdown even after the peak. There is no halfway point, either they change their approach to contact tracing, testing and isolation, or this simply drags on until there is a vaccine (only possible after period of testing of 1 year).

>>18285583
LK

>>18285557
No, Italy's been completely ground to a halt. Italy's PMI is 17. They're completely fucked. It's only fitting their deaths and infections are going down.

>>18285583
CVS or WBA

>>18285373
when did you pick up those airlines?

>>18285583
i wouldnt consider the first four a rightful part of a boomerfolio

>>18285240
Just check expense ratio and average volume, plus dividend if you're long holding. SPY and VOO are the default best unleveraged s&p ETFs. The point another anon made about tracking errors is valid on smaller more specialized ETFs specific to particular sectors. Your big popular index tracking ETFs do not have that problem.

>>18285583
Do boomers even know about insurance or asset management firms?
I thought part of a boomerfolio was that the company makes something they could eat, drink, send email with, or be transported by

>>18285616
I haven't bought any of them yet I'm just spitballing.

>>18285504
I feel the same. I keep changing my mind all the time.

>>18285163
Exactly they make power since they are called Generating Electricity.

>>18285240
awoo with VOO

I miss boomerposting from yesterday

>>18285507
Isn't it better to invest directly into dividend-paying stocks? a dividend etf has a yield between 3-7% while certain companies have dividend rates of up to 10% like shell.

>US,CANADA DISCUSS PUTTING TARIFFS ON SAUDI AND RUSSIAN OIL
US,CANADA DISCUSS PUTTING TARIFFS ON SAUDI AND RUSSIAN OIL
>US,CANADA DISCUSS PUTTING TARIFFS ON SAUDI AND RUSSIAN OIL
US,CANADA DISCUSS PUTTING TARIFFS ON SAUDI AND RUSSIAN OIL
>US,CANADA DISCUSS PUTTING TARIFFS ON SAUDI AND RUSSIAN OIL
US,CANADA DISCUSS PUTTING TARIFFS ON SAUDI AND RUSSIAN OIL

Eat shit Wahhabiniggers

>>18285646
>awoo
Keep your trash memes in /ptg/ please.

>>18285634
So you didn't already pick up XOM when it was in the low 30s or CVX at in the low 50s?
Def wait until they dip again.

I just got a call.
Tomorrow I will start by part time job planting common beans in the field.
I have a 8-5 job on the regular days so this is a job to make some extra cash that I might save or put into the market. It won't pay much, but it's experience.

>>18285661
>Anyone unironically thinking this will happen

Welfare queen shale producers need to die.

>>18285562
Nice profit, are you planning on doing it again for the meeting ?

Moderna (MRNA) and Carnival Cruise Line (CCL)

>>18285661
We don't really buy much from the Russians and our Saudi imports are very small.
This will protect American/Canadian oil a bit and help prop them up through this.

>>18285661
But who's gonna pay those tariffs?

>>18285657
If you want long hold "dividend" stocks you are actually better off right now putting money into buying corporate bonds. Some of the YTMs right now are pushing upwards of 20+%. And unlike stocks for weakened companies they aren't watered down if more bonds (stocks) are issued and if the company goes bankrupt they are near the top of being reimbursed (stockholders are near the bottom) and if they are merged you get issued shares anyway.
Also unlike dividends the coupon must always be returned and cannot be suspended unless they are liquidating completely.

>>18285686
You are a moron. This won't hurt the Saudis at all, we don't buy very much from them.
Also US shale is a strategic asset. I told you the US government wouldn't allow it to go under.

>>18285620
Nah, been to barbecues with these types and they couldn't shut up about how APPL was doing so well. They aren't AMD, at this point they're well established.
>>18285608
Maybe, not too big on brick and mortar. Plus their share prices have been dropping since '15
>>18285624
I just thought it was blue chips

>>18285687
no, pulled it all out, oil is fucking too wild. put it all in x5 sp500 bear over weekend

>>18285698
>corporate bonds
be careful, something like 60% of corporate bonds are BBB rated, just shy of junk
this virus is going to lead to a huge fallout of these bonds, i think—limited revenue will lead to a change in rating

>>18285661
And people claimed Shell would get btfo in the previous thread lmao

>>18285430
kek I've done the same mistake, you're fucked
>>18267706

>>18285717
>x5 sp500 bear over weekend
Fucking ballsy but I'm riding the same boat.

>>18285661
So should I buy UCO?

>>18285504
I'm not going to time the bottom. I'll wait until it starts to trend upward and then it's all going into TQQQ. I'm only looking for good returns and I'm not confident anything I pick can beat that after it has crashed

>>18285769
nah x5 is safe or atleast within my risk
x20 was fun hope they bring those back soon

Imagine speculating on oil and not understand basic realpolitik.

>>18285007
futures don't open until 6pm Sunday retard

>>18285781
I will never understand you fuckers. You have literally opportunity some people waited 10+ years on, and what do you decide to do? You want to wait instead of making money on the way to bottom and then ride the recovery.

What the fuck, how will you live with yourselves down the line?

which stocks are the worst volatile and will give me x100 if I will short them right now and I will time the bottom to close

>>18285671
wolf girls existed long before Trump and they will exist long after he's gone. please stop associating them with a stale meme

>>18285786
I meant
>over weekend
thing more. Holding anything over weekend is scary in clown market.

>>18285583
Add AT&T. It's the ultimate boomer tier stock with secure huge dividend. Maybe VZ too.

>>18285717
What's your justification for a Monday dump? I know the OPEC+ meeting was delayed by a few days but that probably won't do anything. We're seeing pretty minor movement in terms of opening/closing price lately.

>$100 invested in Renaissance Technologies Medallion Fund in 1988 would be worth $398.6 MILLION in 2018

>>18285316
Could you recommend specific spdr sector etf?

>>18285823
>if

so I have 50k in FAZ because I think we're going lower, but this is a real decision point for the market so I also bought some cheap puts on it 2 weeks out for hedging. I feel like a god of probability

>>18285661
LMAO eat shit oilniggers
Oil to $5

>>18285803
>>18285818
i don't believe in a dump but i also seriously doubt it will go above +2% so i'm ok with there being a smaller chance of losing 11%

>>18285823
>Renaissance Technologies Medallion Fund
What are todays RTMFs

>>18284985
I miss hiking in the summer desu

Why the fuck is T down so much in the last week? What happened to them? VZ is holding decently.

>>18285855
Medallion Fund has always been exclusive. The only alternative is to find a savant-autist and groom him to play this cool video game called stock options and futures.

>KHC
>STORE
>BUD

by my historic calculations - bottom is around 2020 SPX, top around 2820 SPX

>>18285855
My butthole

>>18285855
look at stocks that trade at less than a dollar—some are pharma/medical related, which could go up
consider selling covered calls to make money on them while they continue sideways, and to exit the position at a set price

Monday is going to be green as fuuuuck guys, get in your gains before shit drops with q1 earnings reports

>>18285879
Based

>>18285870
hiking in the late autumn (november) is objectively the best

>>18285567
isn't it because these communities literally don't listen to quarantine warnings?
why is it that Asian countries don't have huge numbers like the West nowadays have?
my neighbours here still let their kids play outside near playgrounds (Germany), truly astonishing.

>>18285879
is your butthole bullish rn?

>>18285204
>>18285138
>>18285399
kys samefag stocktwits shill

There isn't a single biotech firm investing in anymore, is there. There all such scams none of them are legit

>>18285879
All in.

>>18285885
>drops with q1 earnings reports
so my $180 SPY PUT 4/17 could still make it
BASED

>>18285885
ngl i have weak hands
my exit prices for my holdings are very low
making small profits over time is better to me than making huge gains
this is a hobby, not my job—i still have one, so that's not really an issue

>>18285027
>gonna short Zoom soon
I like it. I doubt their surge in users will translate to long term rev growth. I'll have to look into this.
>>18285424
That just makes things worse. What makes you think "we're just going to put off the problem and delay" invites ANY market confidence?

>>18285199
Fun how GE men have moved to amazon.

>>18285908
MRNA. Wait(hope) for a dip.

Or buy INO now and hope they're actually worth shit.

>>18285899
thanks for the DD, EWG puts ordered

>>18285899
>isn't it because these communities literally don't listen to quarantine warnings?
yes, aoc is a brainlet who is addicted to twitter brownie points

>>18285908
SNSS has a Q2 trial coming up that will almost certainly have good results. The recent dump was due to a retarded, unjustified downgrade.

Thursday is going to be a gigadump so its just a matter of how far that fall is from Mon-Wed

Will I make it?

>>18284985
BAD NEWS GREEN
GOOD NEWS RED

>>18285942
flip a coin

>>18285931
>SNSS

>>18285942
Mite b fine m8.

>>18285927
at least you are not a retard that buys naked options when IV is at a record highs like some other people did.

I think Buffett is playing the market. He sold just enough to lower his stake in DAL below 10%. When you are less than a 10% stakeholder, you don't have to report your trades for up to 40 days. Which means he expects a dip within 40 days to double down on his position.

>>18285971
short to ride it down the summer? long when it starts up this fall?

>>18284985
Nice pic OP.

>>18285942
>robinhood
probably not

>>18285981
He might buy it after earnings on April 8. Possible earnings play, after that who knows. DAL might go up next month trying to speculate on future good news.

>>18285811
I feel that they are overleveraged with a not a lot of growth. Only 63% while the market went up 471%. The divvy is great but I personally like investing into growth not hoping for a turnaround. Got burned on GE doing just that.

>>18285558
Unironically. The better it gets the less central banks have to print. And only brrrrrrr makes the markets go up

>>18285971
>Next quarter arrives
>"Oh hey look, Warren owns DAL"

>>18285947

>>18285893
I like summer heat desu
>>18285908
Its a lottery sadly. Im not really keen on participating.

>>18284985
Congrats to everyone who loaded up on puts Friday. Looks like this week will be a big payday for anyone who is short pretty much anything.

>>18286041
Sounds good

>>18285971
>>18285981
>>18286001
pretty much this. once airlines take another fall (i.e. after their next earnings report) trump will basically have his hand forced to bail them out

>>18286041
Fuck you and your lies, Shlomo.

>>18286022
Please make a comment to my tremendous insight you people pleasseeee

>>18285535
Teledyne

I FOUND A PERFECT SHORT OPPORTUNITY - BTI

>>18286088
>that chart
I'm gonna have to look into that one, sounds really good at first glance, what's the thesis on it?

>>18285971
The larger companies arent allowed to sell like that and rebuy a larger stake. They usually have holding limits or timeframes that they cant rebuy in. He also doesnt need to hide his trades if he is trying to buy the airline out up front. He can just make an offer to the company to buy/merge.

>>18285876
When will we hit bottom?

>>18285931
Felon spotted

>>18285199
That’s why it has such a huge potential upside. There is nothing inherently wrong with the product/services they provide, it’s a management cluster fuck that’s keeping the price down.

>>18286148
felon or larper, maybe both

>>18285904
its easily proven by id this is false.
>also it was the only name with low iv you didnt even need to pick a direction it was bound to explode
stay poor

>backtest conservative international blue chip portfolio focused on quality income stream
>tracks S&P 500 1:1
>add Apple
>astronomical outperformance
Fucking nigger stock.

how do I bet against a pandemic?

>>18286041
it’s never assured, being bobo is inherently more risky than buy the dip retards. orange man or jerome will find a way to fuck over any shorting

>>18286117
people consume more alcohol/tobacco during recessions retard
it's mooning for a reason

>>18286160
why even bother with spy? just go 60% qqq and 40% edv and you have a beastly sortino ratio while outperforming the market handedly

>>18286183
This. Cheap dopamine sources become more valuable than gold if shit gets bad enough.

>>18285706
yep, were going to pay double for oil so US shale doesn't go bust, mmhmm.
>laughing US refiners

The entire reason for this oil war is to crush US shale because they are flooding the market with welfare oil that costs $50+ a barrel to produce. The US needs to let shale go under or the war will continue. As soon as shale companies go bankrupt, oil goes back up.

>>18286183
its mooning because of the pump coronavirus vacine bullshit you simpleton

>>18286183
And which recession had a worldwide quarantine that put a complete stop to all social events where alcohol is generally consumed?

What ratios etc. do you use to quickly check out balance sheet health?

Crab Chads report who else slidin?

All the Saudi want is to make US shale a non player in the game for the forseeable future. They can easily bait Trump into this. No one listens to the senators that know the difference in US oil sectors.

>>18286240
Yeah, so that's already priced in. God I hate even having to say priced in but it's actually true this time. You do fucking realise the entire world except the US has been in quarantine for over a month by now right?

>>18286255
Trump is like a cartoon bull. They wave a red rag in his face and he goes predictably nuts

>>18286258
and will be for over two more months

Lel at DAL.All their planes along with Alaska are being grounded.

>>18286282
No we wont. But we will get hit with another wave when we reopen when "its over"
And then go into quarantine again...

alright since you're all stuck with me now tell me what category I missed to watch

>Aviation
>Cybersecurity
>Defense
>Energy
>Fin Mgmt
>Tech (big)
>Tech (small, memes)
>Travel/Hotels
>Utilities (comms)
>Utilities (energy)

>>18286299
ETFs based on agriculture futures. Food shortages in east asia very soon.

>>18286240
wow guess who's all at home now bored out of their mind? any alcoholic and people that would take part in those events, they're not going to suddenly consume less alcohol

New marketwatch game

https://www.marketwatch.com/game/biz-corona-edition
https://www.marketwatch.com/game/biz-corona-edition
https://www.marketwatch.com/game/biz-corona-edition

>>18286299
>Cybersecurity
Why?

I thought there would be huge demand for security guards and so on now, because very supermarket in Europe now has some. Securitas AB and so on.
But the lack of festivals and clubs right now is probably making profits plummet

>>18286119
Just look at my Id, trust me.
If you like rockets there's Aerojet.
>>18286299
Short lolis

Stocks are going to be 100% based on the movement of the virus from here on out. We had the crash, now we're just working out the kinks of what's safe and what's a bet.

>Corona acts like the flu and infection drops heavily during the late spring & summer months

Stocks will recover greatly in the summer and continue growing until Corona is back for Fall. Stocks will fall again, though not as drastically. Herd immunity + protectiveness will shut down the second wave fairly quickly, buying time before the vaccine.

Advice: Buy after Q2, sell during the first signs it's coming back in Fall.

>Corona does not act like the flu and infections continue well into the summer.

Buy after Q3 earnings reports and prepare to hunker down for a slow recovery when the vaccine is release 12 months from now.

>>18286244
Wondering this as well.

Been using Price-to-cash flow and debt-to-capital to screen some stocks. Funny that those criteria spit out American Eagle and Barnes & Noble haha.

Barnes & Noble is $1.15 a share right now, in case anyone is looking to watch the end of a brick and mortar retail staple.

>>18286341
OR you could: DCA into index funds every month.

>>18286341
You know what, you're exactly right, and we should simulate the affects of the virus, good thing we have a place to simulate it: >>18286320

I'm looking at short opportunities

>>18286244
debt, cash flow, and assets and ratios that compare them to equity market cap

>>18286316
yeah I need more ETFs. Anything you rec in particular?
>>18286322
global weakness will breed tension, any tension will lead to upping security. no one wants to be the weak link.

>>18286341
You have it backwards. The bull trap is from thinking its all due to the virus. The real bear comes from accelerating what was already starting to happen back in October it addition to added pain from liquidity issues caused by the shutdown.
Certainty with the virus is going to make the swings less extreme but I honestly expect -1% week after week for a long time. The QE started back in October and now infinite QE in March are going to prolong this pain, as they always do.

>>18286378
>That picture

>>18286378
I'm research agri ETFs right now. I'm targeting ones based on the commodity futures rather than the companies.

Honestly, trump should hold a press conference early as next week saying he will lift lock downs
immediately, and that he cannot sack economy
because of leftist hysteria...

He could lose elections if the economy goes down too long, people will be angry losing their jobs and businesses... and that is what
democrats. Main reason for the media hysteria. Trump is been played, he's been too soft

>>18286297
Airport insider anon? Where are you at?

>>18285971
thats what i was thinking.. was thinking buffett about to wash sale that shit

>>18286394
it's called humor
wouldn't lewd the keions but humor is always fun

>>18285522
>one day breaks the pattern
They said the same shit last week and got BTFO.

>>18286410
absolutely delusional boomer detected

>>18286378
Never post that again.

>>18286410
yeah... lets just let everyone go back to normal.. surely the numbers will go down if we do that r-right?

>>18286410
>Trump is been played, he's been too soft
He isn't doing anything. State governors are controlling this crisis, not him. He hasn't declared lockdowns or quarantines so even if he said "Get back to work, bro" I doubt any state would change what they were doing except for Florida, Georgia, and Texas.
He is a spectator now which is why he's trying to manage PR instead of PH with his overly long conferences.

I am unironically bullish in the mid-term ama
>we might retest the low but I doubt it
>the Fed would literally rather buy every single REIT out than actually allow another mortgage crisis
>8 weeks of effective lockdown followed by Korea style tracing seems to effectively control the virus
>Market has signalled it doesn't care about mass graves in major American cities

Airlines and Oil portfolio a good idea for new investors looking to put a few hundred a month into the market for mid-long term? Any other bargain markets to look out for?
Of course this assumes oil tanks on Monday

Rate my portfolio for Monday:
Long etsy
Short Exxon and Chevron

>>18286410
if he reopens the economy now and lifts stay at home orders, there will be 40 blue states in November. Texas and Georgia will be 2 of them.

>>18286433
>>18286452
All economics agree you cannot keep lock downs any longer. Will cause too much economical damage. It has become a political issue clearly

>>18286462
What can he do? When the shit about him announcing a state wide lockdown leaked, governors promised to "go to war" with him. So now all he can do is pretty much push companies to provide states with needed resources, push for more cash if needed and just wait

>>18286482
Airlines and oil are the companies most at risk of actual bankruptcy from this. The only airline I'm confident in is Air Canada. Oil prices will probably never be above $30/bbl again.

>>18286474
>8 weeks of effective lockdown followed by Korea style tracing seems to effectively control the virus
South Korea never had that many cases to begin with and they went full autism mode with testing and tracing almost right at the start across the entire country. Their experience with MERS made people also immediately adopt measures that are only sporadically adopted in the US.
New York is just a test case of what will probably swing inward from the coasts.
>the Fed would literally rather buy every single REIT out than actually allow another mortgage crisis
You can be a mid term bull sure but realize this is historically how the FED does money printing. And the only way to fight inflation is raise rates.

>>18286522
We can go full Korea autism testing once 8 weeks of lockdown have reduced the caseload to known thousands instead of undetected millions

>>18285049
Unironically yes.

Stop asking retard

>>18286316
why do you think food shortages? I would think agriculture is one of the few industries that can keep working at nearly 100% given how spread out it is and sterilizing sunlight

>>18285823
>>18285855
>the mythical always green portfolio
How can anyone believe this bullshit?

>>18286511
well no shit the economy will be damaged but it will be damaged even more if the infection rate increases 500% and there is nobody to even run the economy... come on man.... try not to be stupid

>>18286325
I've been looking at aerojet as well, don't see much growth beyond gov't contracts though. Teledyne looks damn interesting though, consistent revenue growth, focus on acquisitions and R&D plus buybacks for shareholders. Even have a little space imaging thing and divested from a lot of aviation. Damn, thanks anon gonna really look into this one

>>18286255
The large oil companies will just buy up the small ones that go bankrupt, and therefore the big ones will just become even bigger threats to the saudi economy, or am I wrong here ?

>>18286515
>What can he do?
He abdicated responsibility early on. State governors are your market signals not Trump.
>So now all he can do is pretty much push companies to provide states with needed resources, push for more cash if needed and just wait
He is being petty about it. Threatening to withhold resources if states don't "play nice" with him and making the entire distribution process as opaque as humanly possible. States having to outbid each other for resources both here and abroad is going to be one of those rallying cries for medicare for all in the future.
Look, I am all for Trump since if I LARP as a fellow crony capitalist I can make money but this is like the first crisis he's had to dealt with that he did not inadvertently cause and he's just been a nonfactor in it.
Kushner seems to be the crisis manager.

>>18285908
Regeneron

Possibly Bristol Myers Squibb

>>18286516
Only airline I'm going in on is AAL, and largely because I have faith in the net value of their physical fleet over smaller bearish airlines. Boeing looks attractive too but I'm not putting in enough each month to capitalize on that bargain unless their stock bottoms out below $100 again soon.
As for oil, I'll probably just buy up small bargains like GE and MRO once I see what monday brings to cover temporary losses on AAL if it stays bearish. Most of my money is in the bank right now anyways because
>investlet

>>18286426

>>18286555
There are countries with very limited lock downs and it is definitely not some kind of plaque mayhem you seem to think. It's a flu. You are either biased towards socialism (skin in the game) or you been led to believe it's some kind of Sars Plaque

>>18286495
What did ETSY do? I did calls on their earnings and got a great payout.

>>18286217
This is most likely.

Also their competitor Altria is being fucked by the SEC while their CEO is already suffering from COVID-19

>>18286542
Multiple reasons. Even though agriculture is essential to function and will be operating. There are inefficiencies that happen due to the pandemic. Workers are harder to find, long time employees get quarantined or go to the hospital. The global supply chain that relies on multiple countries' agricultural output for efficiency is greatly disrupted. For example Vietnam declared it will no longer export agri products to China. The idea is that demand theoretically constant, but supply is encountering inefficiencies and fear of shortage is actually increasing demand.

>>18286606
ICU rate is 2-3%. That is the reason for the lockdowns, not the 1% fatality rate. The latter assumes that you have enough resources for every incoming patient. Flooding the medical system with patients all at once moves you toward the 3% number instead of the 1%. For context, the great 1918 flu had 3% mortality.

>>18286540
It would need to be a massive nationwide police enforced lockdown. Even so I doubt 8 weeks is enough. 12 and a full testing regime plus daily temperature tests at work

where can I screen stocks by candle? I need to check the price change in % on the needed timeframe week candle

Which airlines are the most likely to merge? My guess is Delta and American. How high do you think their stock would go?

>>18285027
Is it better to short via CFDs or options? or another way?

>>18286606
my sisters a nurse and one of here co-workers got it...

just because you've been social distancing your whole life ... and not by choice.. doesn't mean other people are... there are people in this economy that have to leave their house to work... a neet like yourself wouldn't understand that.... .. i really don't think you understand the situation and how out of control it can get.. if the economy is to get back to normal they need to keep the lock down.. if they stop the lockdown it could just prolong the problem.. stop being a retard.. please... please.. please stop being a retard

accumulate refr?

>>18286637
I dont buy that at all. Why there is no such flooding in countries with no lock downs. Keep elderly insine and limit social contanct, do not destroy economy it has far more devastating effects

>>18285046
priced in mate

>>18286650
0 stop asking about airlines

>>18286540
States still have wild variation with how they are choosing to approach this. It very much feels like every state that starts to get swarmed by it does it too late because the numbers get out of hand too fast.
So even if New York dies down there are 49 other states that can start to incubate the damn thing. Also what seems to be misplaced about here is concern about total numbers. The highest per capita fatality rates are actually in rural areas (right now Colorado from tourism) because the entire healthcare system is built on efficiency, not based on size.
10 deaths from a town of 1000 is a way bigger deal than 100 deaths in a city of a million

>>18286650
>New All American Airlines commercial comes on
>"Fly NY-Chicago for just 3000$"
>*Shots of crappy planes and drunk pilots*
>"Fly All American! What you gonna do? Take a bus?"

They would have a complete monopoly desu
I dont think they could merge even if they wanted to.

>>18285046
priced in m8>

>>18285593
I think that at some point the countries will say fuck it and let the virus loose and simply let all elderly die in their homes

>>18285114
are certs the same as CFDs
8====)

>>18286659
.... shut.... the .... fuck .... up...... why do .... all trips.... talk .... like this.... I .. even..... agree,..... with you......

>>18286650
I've flown with Delta so many times and about 40% of the time i'm usually highly disappointed.. so they should merge with a company that cares about updating their planes

>>18286690
I'm bullish on countries deleveraging their elderly.

>>18286417
SEA. Already delta, horizon, alaska, sending many home. Construction projects are slowing and being delayed. Contractors testing positive means that weeks work is shutdown. Tenant are bleeding and having to layoff workers and take loans. You probably know about 70+% flights reduction. Pier 69 suspended cruises long ago. Cargo still goes on (pic is china Cargo) Around 5-8k traffic a day down from 80k in February. TSA testing positive etc.

>>18286664
>do not destroy economy it has far more devastating effects
This is literally trading points on the DOW for lives. It also gets into some disturbing questions about if people are completely expendable if they can no longer work (retired, disabled, or sick). The 1918 flu had a weird age distribution where the very young and the very old had high fatality numbers. What would happen if that were the case today?

>>18286690
I dont really understand why this isn't the best and preferred approach

>>18286701
Its a sign of schizophrenia.

>>18286704
I wouldn't touch delta with a pole, and that seems to be common consensus among people that travel.

>>18286474
>the Fed would literally rather buy every single REIT out than actually allow another mortgage crisis
Ah shit...
Well GM got a bailout and the stock price still still went to 0.

Not sure they need to do anything besides buy more corporate debt to keep these folks afloat.

>>18286522
>this is historically how the FED does money printing
What is?

>>18286511
and mass death due to government negligence would definitely not become a political issue in an election year

>>18286721
i have puts on DAL right now.. and yeah.. idk anyone that likes delta.. i fly with them when i pick a last minute flight because it's usually pretty cheap.. but most of their planes suck and are out dated

>>18286701
the important part... is what is in the text..

>>18286708
It's been nice and quiet down here in Des Moines with so little flight activity overhead.

>>18286714
because you will have to burn all the people that die on the streets since the crematoriums are overrun

>>18286721
>>18286750

ATLfag here. International is on point. Domestic is not very impressive, unless it's to LA. Maybe I'm biased but I feel they're here to stay.

bruh check the weekly candle at wayfair, +70% on the dead stock, I wish I could short that shit in my broker

>>18286664
>Why there is no such flooding in countries with no lock downs
There are. Italy and Spain are still dealing it with more than a month out. It scared the hell out of Germany, UK, and France so it is doubtful that it will get much worse. Iran got hit hard and they are actually the more foreboding omen. For the developing world you have even fewer healthcare assets to treat something like this.
A good test case for "ITS JUST A FLU, BRO. GET BACK TO WORK." will be Brazil and Bolsonaro. Bolivia, Ecuador, and Peru are all already at capacity and they have enacted various lockdowns to deal with it.

>>18286770
I did have a good international flight with delta.. but still felt like it could've been better

>>18286734
>What is?
Buying back bad debt or lending to municipalities or corporations with bad credit ratings. Lending to banks is different since the odds are good they can pay it back. But if bad debtors default, they just erase a red number in a ledger somewhere. That is equivalent to just printing money.

>>18286557
>Teledyne
>visit website
>blonde, blue-eyed mother with blonde, blue-eyed baby greet me
Yeah, I'm thinking based.

>>18285430
>id
>qqq
Your puts will print

>>18286750
>>18286721
>>18286704
>Delta seats.

>>18286708
Thanks anon, keep us updated.

>>18285924
>(hope)
>hope

people actually trade their hard earned money like this? you just buy or short some shit and """""hope""""""? wew

>>18286646
You can search by percentage up or down over a particular timeframe on finviz. Go screener, technicals tab, performance, select week up +10%-30% or just up for the week without specific percentage. Alternately do volatility and select for percentage range over desired week or month.

>>18286789
Yeah it's pretty fucking based, BAM NEE TDY is gonna print kek

>>18286674
you can't deny possible merges, there were some merges after 9/11.
this is likely worse considering their actions pre-fall

>>18286582
I haven't read too much about the shit happening between the states and Trump because I don't really care. But clearly there's some bureaucratic incompetence at play here like always and let's not forget that the coronavirus outbreak can't really be compared to anything the US have witnessed before, which means the resources readily available is far from enough. I'm sure Trump would just swarm states with the much needed resources if he actually had enough to do so. On the "abroad" topic, who cares? You can't even supply your own states, why the fuck would you care about sending resources abroad? Kek'd

>>18286659
>>18286774
Useless argue with you people, you are too biased (skin in the game) for having prolonged
lock downs. So fine, destroy economy, have your crazy lockdowns till there is 0 patients in the world with cough. I will be fine with all scenarios

>>18286792
fuck Delta seats.. fucking hell man.. fuck.. FUCK!!! seriously.. fucking hell

>>18286835
yikes

>>18286789
ok definitely buying now

>>18286830
>On the "abroad" topic, who cares?
States are currently bidding against each other (and other countries) for supplies both from domestic and foreign suppliers.
> I'm sure Trump would just swarm states with the much needed resources if he actually had enough to do so
In this particular crisis that is all the president would have to do. It's challenging precisely because there isn't enough and its uncertain what will be needed in the future.

Get up, have breakfast, think i'm going to take a nap now. Is this the neet life?

>>18286842
I had one flight where the cushion on the seat was probably removed. Felt like 2 iron bars behind my back. Comfort+ too so i paid extra like a bitch for it too.

>>18286871
Yep. I'm actually sick of it, think I'll finally go get a job after all this.

>>18286758
It's fucking so empty now. Was always a constant stream of planes but now it's a ghost town. Was always less at night, but still. This was back in September.

>>18286557
No problem bby. Just look at the different things they have their hands in.

>>18286835
the economy will be much MUCH worse if they take people off the lockdown.. please try not to be so dense.. the fucking thing spreads like wild fire.. you think they are just locking the whole world down for no reason??? you don't think the professionals have already thought about what you are talking about right now??

oh.. i forget.. you're on 4chan.. you know all the answers to the world..... better than the people that have been studying this specific thing their whole life and are now 70+...... you sound like a fucking teenager that has never actually lived real life... seriously.. you're right.. no point in argueing with a complete fucking dumbass like you.

seriously... don't reply to me.. you are way to fucking stupid

Weekend /smg/ is much better than on workdays.
Really makes you think, doesnt it?

>>18286765
Ask the Germans if they have some tips.

>>18286880
one time I had a round trip to chicago one was with a lay over the other was a straight shot.. the one with a straight shot didn't have tvs in the seats.. like wtf.. come the fuck on now man.. and no it wasn't just a cheap flight

>>18286898
this is hardly surprising
/smg/ quality is inversed with volatility

>>18286612
absolute speculation on my part but since it's home crafts and stuff most of the owners can remain in business while the real world is shuttered

>>18286898
the weekdays it's just a bunch of discord trannies and other groups that come in here just to spam AAAAAAAAA and other stupid shit that fills up the thread where you can't even discuss anything... imo.. i don't care whats discussed as long as i don't have to go through 200 post of just some screaming wojaks

>>18286619
interesting play, food for thought when it's about to touch the support.

>>18286927
>>18286927
>>18286927
new

Biz if you had 4.3k in an account what portofolio would you make? A general idea that I had was 45% dividend 45% growth 10% quick flip any stock recommendations?

>>18286890
when do you think the lockdown in the US will be over by? i've been hearing rumors that my boss is gonna want me back by May but that just seems unreal considering all i've heard about the coronavirus from here and other financial news sources. idk how we're supposed to leave lockdown when we still don't have a vaccine or at least a strong antiviral treatment for it. i see it as indefinite lockdown until we get one of those things, or at least something along those lines (a cure or at least a powerful treatment).

MINIMUM i figure maybe if we produce a fuckload of tests that we can distribute to literally every American, *maybe* we can just quarantine the ones who test positive and the rest go back to work. but as we've seen by so many people still going to parks and beaches and spring break and other shit, you get a few assholes who go outside even when sick and spread it and the whole thing starts again, it would rely on trusting 330 million people and fuck that shit.

>>18286788
Oh yeah, right. That’s straight QE. Isn’t that the type they did in the Great Depression?

>>18285114
Where do you trade them commission free? Im still paying 3.9 per trade and stuff like trading121 dont have certs as far as i know

>>18286868
>for supplies both from domestic and foreign suppliers.
Oh you were talking about foreign imports. Well I have no clue how that would even work to make it fair for everyone. There's so many laws across the US as a country and so many different laws across all the states. Could Trump even do anything here at all without having to pass new laws or change existing laws through congress and senate? Because you know... free market and shit

>>18286971
Nordnet/Avanza are pretty good.

>>18286817
>finviz
but thats like week before today, I need a week of 23rd of march

>>18285114
im trading options on cfds with saxobank

>>18286612
It was a ratings upgrade with a lower price target but much higher than current levels. I bought a 32 call the day before for dirt cheap. Then I exercised it on Friday.

>>18285449
Redpill me on rdsb. What does it do better than xom.

Will there be a Trump conference today?

>>18287447
literally everything, i had a call with strike 12 eur (rds.a) and i closed it at 14, im about to kill myself for that

>>18287546
I'm not looking for calls. I'm options fatigued after the last two months. What does the this company do better than exon or bp? I never see it get spilled so I'm interested.

I'm trying to decide on what to do with all the money I've made off of shorts and im caught between buying more ethereum or going all in with it on a decent oil company.

>>18287592
only reason it probably isnt popular on /biz/ is because it isnt american.

>18k in hudbay minerals at cost basis of 3.65
>It's a 1.70-190 today
>Going to rise to the amount I put in
>The entire year wasted

This is the worst feeling