/biz/ - Business & Finance

Is this priced in?

>>18260357
that girl is actually underage b& unfortunately, some russian child model. nothing illegal, just morally bankrupt.

>>18260357
Based and hnnnggpilled.

>oil dumped -5%

>>18260357
dear lord

>no edition
At least OP isn't a degenerate coomposter

Xth for New Banner

>>18260404
I almost considered jumping on it until I remembered oh yeah it's China

From last thread.

Cash will be fine for now, but once this calms down I am shorting the shit out of the dollar, long term.
It's not the amount of money the fed prints but rather the velocity of money. And once people realize they can go outside and consume and countries realize their currency hasn't collapsed the rug will be pulled out from underneath the USD suddenly. If it's sustained and significant aka "runaway inflation" then the fed may be forced to raise rates, but I fear Jerome is too much of a pussyfooted lacky of the White House to do this. Maybe I'm wrong, and he'll pull a Paul Volcker after people thought they markets are safe. Either way, the dollar will do some interesting things in the next 2 years.

Anyone have some good info on small business loans coming out for corona O_O ?

me gonna try apply

>>18260373
You know what? Fine, you are clearly correct. Every government in the world is locking down and fucking themselves solely over a flu that only kills already in the grave people. Just a hoax bro. Governments fell for the memes, same thing with all the doctors in the world too. Literally everyone in the whole world except the highly intelligent meets and autists on 4chan fell for a nonexistent threat. I've been btfo.

should i keep spending $60/mo on feet pics or invest it in biotech

>>18260423
I have slowly come to the terrible revelation that none of you know what the fuck you are doing. I have a Master's in Accountancy with a Minor in Finance. I work for a fortune 100 as a corporate accountant with a CMA and CPA. I used to have some faith in anon. None of you know how to actually value a company. You have no fucking clue how taxes work. You can't read financial statements. For fuck's sake you think TA works and the entire field of decision science churns out dissertations every other day highlighting their absolute dismay at the fact that brainlets ever consider using it. You have no idea what Dunning-Kruger is. You don't know what survivorship bias is. You are too fucking uneducated and stupid to comprehend how fucked you are.

>>18260423
It is literally impossible to stop infinite QE and not cause a bond crisis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVCQa0znGpM

>>18260443
>T. later
Ebin

Short or long oil?

Holy fucking based

>>18260443
and yet you aren't a billionaire, are you, mr. smart?

>>18260448
I feel like when it comes to QE, bond crisis will be "everything crisis" because of how intertwined everything is in banks and financed. Who has the balls to unwind this problem and when? I think if this chinky virus drags on and the facade of Chinese economy falls apart we might have global conflict. Perfect time to uncover all the turds under the carpet and blame someone else.

So what are we gonna do about this?

>>18260435
Dump in biotech moonshots, pictures of feet are free you autist

>>18260404
I wonder how many people off'd themselves over that and the AMRN apocalypse.

Stay safe and mentally well, anons.

>>18260456
NEWFAGS STOP REPLYING TO THE PASTA
REEEEEEEEEEE

Should I sell my BIP shares to buy more BAM shares?

>>18260475
we buy calls on SPY bb

>>18260463
CRAB!

>>18260470
god youre a retard

>>18260465
BASED HYPERTENSION, DIABETES AND CHRONIC KIDNEY DISEASE

>>18260488
>Newfags falls for my bait
Thanks for the (you)

post your trading setup

Shit on sale rn
>Vnq
>Xly
>Vgk
>Vti
>Vxx
>Vwo
>xlk

Crabniggers tongue my anus.

>>18260470
I've been shitposting here for nearly a decade but I honestly really relate to the image on the right, especially the arthoe part.

>>18260465
The 13% always manages such high returns

>>18260490
So we are literally in upside-down world

>>18260513

ELON WAS RIGHT! BEER VIRUS IS OVER-RATED. bobo btfo

The futures are looking nice /smg/.

>>18260512
> I was only pretending to be retarded

>>18260550
tsla up 18%, memevirus

>>18260553
Don’t respond by the way, this is also bait. Way to get dunked on by meta memes faggot.

REQUIRED VIEWING
WATCH IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMs9rWa5pmA

>>18260545
I bought june puts on Tesla yesterday :/

>>18260562
That's one thing how does that affect everything else?

>>18260553
Nordicgameryes.jpg

Posted in the old thread by mistake

I've been reading for days and I dont
understand options.

So if you think stock go up, you buy a call.
If you think it go down, you buy a put.

Buying a call lets you sell 100 shares for X price by X date. But how is that different from jut buying 100 shares and setting a limit sell?

How do you make money off a put if you have 100 shares of a stock thats going down?

Please help

>>18260541
I guess I should buy Carnival's "investment grade" 13% bonds

>>18260586
GO BACK TO R3DDIT

>>18260586
Stay out of the market for now, read all of Investopedia, make sure to call every tripfag a nigger. Only then will you make it.

>>18260593
Ive never been. I'm new to stocks because I just started getting bonuses at work on a semi weekly basis so I'm investing them.

>>18260431
bump question

>>18260586
It’s called leverage.

>>18260593
underrated comment

>>18260484
They're premium feet pics

>>18260586
Buying options is for leverage. You don't own the stock in reality, you simply own an agreement that says you can buy or sell said stock.

Don't buy options, it's for real gamble niggers. If you want to go hard then X2 or x3 leverage is good enough.

>>18260550

>>18260574
Based rudyfren

how do you think he feels right now?

>>18260639
Okay thanks, I'll stick to small time plays for now. I'm just dicking around with like $500 dollars and then I'm gonna take any earnings and my "brrrrr" money and go all in spxl, hopefully while its still under $30.

>>18260638
Obligatory kys

Imagine speculating on bioshit and not being an insider. Just play roulette, at least the odds there are 50/50

>>18260683
https://www.sec.gov/comments/265-31/26531-175661.htm

Pretty confident I'd say. What happened in someone put out a hit piece full of conjecture and libel after shorting it. Athersys already responded.

So what are the predictions for next week? We going red or green?

>>18260699
Baccarat is better than roulette. Blackrat is more fun than either of them though

>>18260723
Blackjack* is more fun

>>18260723
I used to be really into online baccarat games, shit was addictive. Made 5k one week and decided to stop before it got dangerous

>>18260689
>$500
No. Continue learning and build up your capital.

Did you listen to me, /smg/? You would have made some money!

>>18260720
Giant red friday because no one wants these bags, monday slightly green then mostly red week.

>>18260443
>none of you know what the fuck you are doing
Do you know what you're doing (in the market)? I'm in the same boat as Cashman above. Otherwise I have a pea sized gambke on gamestop.

>>18260475
Incoming freefall to 50000

I just want another 5-10% down in the next few days so I can get out of SQQQ with some dignity intact.

>more than 5 mil cases by May1st
Bullish and Priced in
http://blog.edsuom.com/2020/04/modeling-slightly-flattening-covid-19.html

>>18260783
>tfw was considering DCAing into XOM but I went "no it'll go down to 30 again"

>>18260805
Stay away from 3x leveraged ETFs

Also, what's with the handful of faggots showing up to look down on our ocean of piss while wading in it? Is it even pasta or are people losing their minds with their retirements?

>>18260749
these live webcam casinos are so fucking awkward and cringe

>>18260465
bullish

>>18260833
Okay boomer.
Unleveraged anything is for people who aleady have enough money to retire.
I want to retire now, not in 50 years.

>>18260846
What type of jobs do these "people" work?

>>18260720
Call me crazy but tomorrow might be light green like <1% because they actually could lose more money selling based on all the put buyers that stand to make a lot on weeklies, more then they can lose panic selling.

Next week, it hinges on oil and Europe handling COVID-19, it appears that Italy may have gotten it under control, if so we can assume a two week downtime for our country and possibly back to work mid May.

>>18260749
Thats pretty dope it makes you feel like James Bond, if you are American you already have the License to Kill in the Constitution.

>>18260586
you get to sell the stock for the ITM strike price. For example, if a stock is a $25 and my put is at $29, then I get to sell x100 shares for $29 because my put is in the money. The person buying them is the one who sold you the option.

>>18260465
yaaaas Americans turning another thing into racially charged nonsense! I love this fucking Country!

>>18260349
Funny how futures are taking a shit again after yesterdays sucker rally and lies by the orange man.

>>18260870
Spain/Italy are mass using Hydroxychloroquine now and probably peaked.

I don't think hydroxyblahblah is that effective but probably has some effect.

>>18260902
They have peaked because their whole country is under complete and total lockdown. Guess what will happen once ppl get back to normal and this shit starts all over again...btw Italy is underreporting deaths.

>>18260586
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJgHkAqohbU

>>18260465
Despite only being 14% of the population...

FOR ALL OF YOU,
I COULDN'T THINK OF A BETTER
GROUP OF FOLKS TO SHELTER
IN PLACE WITH THAN MY FRENS!

https://youtu.be/r7GNie3mXDE
https://youtu.be/r7GNie3mXDE
https://youtu.be/r7GNie3mXDE

>>18260902
HCQ is literally just a bandaid on a gaping wound.

>>18260911
honestly it seems like enough of a % of both spain and italy got it to have some decent immunity going forward

RIP

>>18260911
>btw Italy is underreporting deaths.
Conspiritards: "literally every single number is fudged except the numbers that make it look scary those aren't lies for some reason"

>>18260902
I dont understand the hate around the medicine.
If Hydrocockring treats the ARDS and prolongs the onset lung damage then why not buy time for the vaccine to be produced?

Going to quit my job and apply for unemployment to make the line go up

>>18260930
Who the fuck even goes on cruises in the year of the Lord 2020?
Why would you do that?

>>18260937
HCQ needs to be used early and with zinc to have any effect. The big problem is docs saving it for critical patients and then going "oh it does nothing" because the guys lungs are already shredded to pieces.

>>18260934
https://www.wsj.com/articles/italys-coronavirus-death-toll-is-far-higher-than-reported-11585767179

whatever makes you feel happy.

>>18260929
could be true but nobody kows yet, if you can be immune or this whole shit starts all over again like a seasonal flue.

>>18260783
How did you know, are you a Trump

>>18260956
flu mutation rate is much higher

>>18260943
It’s hedonism at its finest. You do nothing but gamble and get drunk.

LETS SEEE....

How about this too?
https://youtu.be/OGQm0nQcJXA

>>18260964
bretty true
but I might never go again
I ain't fittin' to do shit with this coronavirus

https://youtu.be/OGQm0nQcJXA
https://youtu.be/OGQm0nQcJXA
https://youtu.be/OGQm0nQcJXA

>>18260964
I can do that in my local casino, or on my couch trading options.

Or you hop on a plane and go to a place where its allowed, where you can enjoy more things for less money.

Going on a cruise to gamble and drink is like going to the airport to eat.

>>18260929
They have a little over 100k cases each. That's less than 0.2% of the population. That's not nearly enough. If they lifted their lockdowns it would spread unmitigated.

This is going to be the real challenge for every country. You need like 70% immunity for it to not be much of a problem anymore and it is going to take FOREVER to get there in a controlled manner.

>>18260944
HCQ is an auto-immune disease right? Does this virus use the infected cell "signatures" to hide from antibodies?

>>18260986
Would you believe there is a lot of swinging that happens?

>>18260683
Unfortunately didn’t want to sell any of my positions so didn’t have much to play with until today, but someone here pointed this out to me yesterday and helped me on some easy money

>>18260785
isn't friday end of quarter? won't jerome pump like mad?

>>18260833
i am deep in the hole my friend. deep, deep in the hole. if SMDD doesn't save me, lord knows what will.

>>18261015
Believe it or not a poomp would not change dogshit earnings panic. Nothing is priced in. Everyone bagholding is going "heh, MY company is doing great!" until the numbers come.

I'm 100% convinced earnings for AMD will be dogshit and this will cause them finally to fucking plummet to low 40s for me to grab cheapies.

>>18260930
>a laughing stock

>>18261012
Wrong photo

It's ogre. It's a literal nothing burger.

what's the point of having lots of money if you don't have a beautiful wife and kids that love you?
i'd trade everything i hav for that

>>18261058
How the fuck do you think you get wives in 2020?

>wake up with 5k gain on oil short but 3k loss on s&p short
nice clown market

BVLL! BVLL! BVLL!

>>18261100
https://starpolitical.com/3m-busted-selling-masks-to-other-countries-that-outbid-the-us-trump-responds/

PREP THE BVLL!

>>18261054
I fucking wish so. This shit caught me unprepared and I've been feeling constant dread for a while.

>>18261113
>I've been feeling constant dread for a while.
I've been feeling intermittent dread for decades.

>>18261054
confirmed cases vs onset

Deaths are late
Confirmed cases are late as compared to onset/infection

>>18261113
This aint world ending.

There are things out there world ending that can happen just as likely as this pandemic. We got it easy. This pandemic could be 100x worse easily and still be a reasonably likely event.

>>18260419
I've traded LK twice before. China or no, it's still a shock when a company that big outright fabricates numbers from thin air. Thankfully I was not holding it when this news came out.

AAAAAAAAH FUTURES CLIMBING

>>18261138
Just wait til we find it hides in nerves like herpes and fucks you hard every time it comes back out.

If that's real then it's gg bro.

>>18261138
I don't want one of my parents to croak from this shit disease.

Like as someone who was telling people 4 months ago before this, that the biggest risk was a killer flu. We got off so fucking easy on this one and will probably as humanity prepare for the next one.

I think this will actually lead to humanity being more secured in the long-run than any damage it does in the short-run. In just making people realize we are in an extremely precarious situation for even surviving as a species.

>>18260465
How are they so good at getting returns....

>>18261151
Rangy. Looks like 2600 again before final decision on up or down.

>>18261160
>just wait till we find out it hides in nerves

..it does

>>18261176
What does this mean for you and me?

>>18261164
Same here. But imagine if this had been even 5% fatal among the young an healthy.
>>18261167

I unironically expect a deal to be made in OPEC because Saudi's know how to play Trump. They can easily get another weapons deal and/or express coronavirus vaccines and what not by "licking" Trump's boot, when in reality they and Russia caused the crash to force Trump to come crawling and do something. I fully expect an oil price pump soon.

>>18261192
It means bull rally tomorrow

>>18261195
Good luck anon.

>>18260861
In Toronto, all the garbage men are black and a lot of the cashiers are black. No idea about NYC.

>>18261192
It means we are fucked. Not total apocalypse fucked but pretty well and truly fucked. Pic related is us in 20 years. It's going to be some bladerunner shit.

>>18261195
The only way a deal gets made is that the Saudis get the big US oil companies into OPEC (different name) and the shale companies stay dead.
They don't care for anything else.

>>18261195
>when in reality they and Russia caused the crash to force Trump to come crawling and do something
That's a pretty arbitrary reward

>>18261225
kek, you know how fucking weird 20 years from now is gonna be?

>>18261167
I don't agree with you that "we got lucky" because really deadly diseases (like the black plague) require some unaddressed vector that keeps it going
I do agree with you that there is a silver lining in the same way 911, which was fucking awful and literally derailed our space exploration, caused us in the US to massively re-evaluate and fix coordination between different first responders (fire, police, feds, etc)

My hope is in America it becomes the norm to wear a mask if you're sick, and ideally the norm that if you're sick you stay home instead of forcing yourself to go to work

is there an exact time that all options exercise on, like if i bought a put and call strike for $10 and the stock keeps crabbing at $10.01 and $9.99 what happens?

Whats the best medicine to reduce a fever?

asking for a friend

how is this real life?

>>18261233
Literally some bladerunner shit dude. It's going to be nuts. This is 3 months into 2020. Technology is still advancing. Gubmints are still spying. Jews are still jewing and corporations are still consolidating everything. REMEMBER THAT THE 90S WERE 20 YEARS AGO DUDE. THINK ABOUT THE ADVANCEMENT IN TECH FROM THE 90S TO TODAY AND APPLY THAT TO TODAY > 2040. BLADERUNNER SHIT

....

>>18261250
You cannot have data on the date of occurrence until it was recorded.

>>18261255
They'll have rounded us up and killed us long before then. (I'm assuming you're white.)

>>18261271
I just mean the projections people are making in general are based on is if the data is all shit from that day. Not deaths from days ago finally being counted.

>>18261255
On paper rabies is a lot more terrifying but it just doesn't work out that way (except in india where they literally have rabies epidemics among certain villages).

>>18261277
I see.

>>18260465
interesting how if you replace "getting coronavirus" with "committing homicides" the stats are the same

>be me
>defense contractor at military installation in [REDACTED]
>their commander said we would be quarantined long term, until at least the end of May

this shit is NOT ending anytime soon bros. not saying we bear market but some shit is about to pop off

>>18261284
If you unskew the data it looks very different.

Basically we are looking at garbage. Arbitrary looking data. Need accurate date of onset of symptoms to get most "up to date" information instead of looking at the past.

>>18260586

>>18261294
Do you guys actually have any cases in the installation yet or is it just a protective measure so the installation doesn't go down? And yeah corona's going to be around for the rest of the year because people are incapable of actually listening to directions and once air travel reopens there's going to be more waves. By the time vaccines are actually vetted I bet there's enough herd immunity already.

>>18261307
Bottom indicator.

Where do you stand on value stocks versus growth stocks?

>>18260683
bro that was me, pic related for proof. i got 500 shares now. i dont know why the shit collapsed overnight because i did due diligence a week ago on it and their CEO was literally on fox news explaining the product and results so unless the CEO was committing fraud on national tv i think its legit. when the stock crashed yesterday i was caught off guard and had no idea why but then i found out some website blog wrote a negative story about it. so my confidence is a tad shaken but after researching more im still convinced its the real deal. if not then im going to be out $1,200 which is like 1/5th my total investing funds. im tempted to snap up some more at the current price but still kind of nervous after the drop so im just going to wait and see what happens

>>18261109
Isn't this a good thing? They are helping unfortunate people and also harming the US. It's basically a liberal wet dream and proof that socialism is the best. Personally I disagree but like live and let live. I'm a nurse and when I find out a patient is left of me politically I make an effort to provide less care and more slowly. No more pain meds, instead hourly checking in it might be every 3 or 4 hours. I don't bother to educate them on the treatment and illness, and I don't tell the doctors how to take care of them.
Likewise I think 3M needs a little socialism. Remove all government contracts, no more tax breaks, and 'find' some violations they committed and fine them accordingly. Everyone wants socialism until they get it. It's up to us to show them the light.

>>18261335
>and their CEO was literally on fox news explaining the product and results
Anon, this is a big fucking red flag. CEO's and "analysts" peddle their shit meme stock on tv all the time and the retarded retail investors watching get baited in and end up being eternal bagholders.

>>18261335
I keep reading about this company. Might jump in in the morning. What do you think. 300 shares?

>>18261335
>he fell for the CEO shilling
Dude, never EVER believe the shit a company spews out of its mouth or what a company pays someone to say.

>>18261294
>not mission essential so don't have to work
>still get paid for being a neet
The only time im glad I joined the military

every single thing I read more about this..

we shouldn't lock down for coronavirus

>>18261151
There's no action whatsoever. The robot just picks a line and follows it. It doesn't matter people aren't selling because if they do it will be right to Powell who will inflate and sell back for double.
Tomorrow there are so many things coming out it will be nothing but pumping, that's Jerome's trick to discourage selling. During the night he lets it drop so it's less expensive to pump in the morning, just like Wednesday he had let it fall -4% so he could pump 3% for the unemployment. Same thing today it will go down so the pump is less expensive.

>>18261372
oh shut the fuck up, do your 20 years and get free healthcare/college/retirement with a fucking pension. can't be beat in the civilian world. you will regret getting out

>>18260943
someone didnt watch Black Sheep.
Cruises are where you find adventure, love, drama, financial success, your son, your missing jewels

>>18261192
You get fit or you die. Natural eugenics.

>>18260475
nothing would surprise me at this point

>>18261371
>>18261368
>>18261366
fuck now you guys are making me really nervous. i know what you are saying but they have actual published results from double blind trials you can read the data on their website. so it would be pretty gutsy and arrogant to cook the books on a coronavirus cure and go on national tv to brag about snake oil, i dont know now you guys are worrying me that i let too much emotion control my buy. i was planning on taking the rest of my investment money out of the schwab ETFs its in and buying up berk.b and a couple blue chips i just saw this and thought it would be a good opportunity for a short term gain. ahhh shit well if this fails ill have my current other corona short term investments to fall back on, luckily im heavy into the green on them right now. also i keep getting lucky on random micro low risk options plays like pic related, if only i had stacked like 20 contracts instead of just 1 on monday. oh well

>>18261335
>>18261366
>>18261371
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/edited-transcript-athx-earnings-conference-151016325.html?.tsrc=rss

minutes seem to be promising, especially the section regarding the highly relevant technology and the fast tracking of the fda (their third to date)

its going to swing one way or the other

>>18260833
I'm thinking of getting 3x bull gold etf, gold is gonna go up anyways.

>>18261348
>when I find out a patient is left of me politically I make an effort to provide less care and more slowly. No more pain meds, instead hourly checking in it might be every 3 or 4 hours
Holy fucking based. Be sure to pillow them.

>>18261397
In Germany we only have this series about boomers boomering on a cruise ship. Boomers love it and it runs for 40 years now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0EH42_71do

>>18261433
>>18261442
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4335664-dont-believe-athersys-hype-in-ards

>>18260475

>>18261225
Well to be honest 2020 is already a lot more different than 2019. I can only imagine what fucked up shit the elites have in store for us.

just one more week and EVERYWHERE will be just like new york, especially spread out states.

>>18260433
ok tyler, cope harder doomer. I wonder what you were doing in 2000 and 2012. I bet I can guess.. do you know what the definition of insanity is?
expecting the world to end for 2 decades, spending your savings on a fallout sheltertoilet paper and 5.56 ammo, then doompost daily because the only way to justify your own existence now is for the world to indeed end. there are many put there like you and soon you will be gone. not to some grandiose event. old fucking age bish. get used to it.

>>18260475
And people laughed at this.

>>18261519
just two more months and it will blow over

Is the market dead yet?

>>18261442
this was the story blog that posted. actually the more i look into it the more it seems like some fucking fraud for a pump and dump where someone profited from a pump and then the short. this shit seems fraudulent. the same site that wrote the hit piece wrote this shill piece touting how good of an investment it is literally the day before

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4335008-athersys-sees-4-million-share-insider-buy-from-partner-running-covidminus-19-ards-trial-in

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4335664-dont-believe-athersys-hype-in-ards

so what the fuck, they literally shill the stock then trash it the next day. it seems pretty sketchy. but ATHX released a statement pic related. and its linked right on their own company website where you can also find all the trials data and info on the stem drug. i found the clip where the CEO went on fox news, here you go:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cleveland-biotech-company-making-headway-on-possible-covid-19-treatment

https://www.athersys.com/home/default.aspx


im still pretty convinced about it being legit but now you guys have me doubting myself so i dont know, if there isnt news about it soon ill just cut my $600 losses and sell. for new guys jumping it the stock isnt priced too much higher than it normally is before this hype so your losses probably wouldnt be as dramatic as mine, i bought halfway into the pump yesterday around $3.30 i think

>>18261294
>until the end of May
That's best case scenario lmao. I sure fucking hope so.

>>18261483
>german boomer movies
I hated Rosamunde Pilcher so much as a kid. Had to watch her shitty ass romantic movies while i waited for afternoon cartoons.

>>18261548
At this point we might as well just watch and laugh
Nothing makes sense to me anymore

>>18261543
Mid April people will see this is total fucking lunacy I expect

>>18261537
put a fucking TSLA an SPCE ticker on the top of that red line leading the way to memedom

>>18261548
The concept of it is. People stopped playing, can't beat the guy with the infinite wallet that uses it to prop up all the junk while buying the things people want sending their value to 0.

>>18261492
ya, im not buying that article. read it earlier

>>18260929
> I think Italy snd Spain might have herd immunity now
Where in heaven’s name did you get that idea?

>>18261568
If he can't be beat, why not join him?

>>18261433
>FOX News
between infomercials trying to get senile boomers to sell their jewelry for cash, or order commemorative flatware??

that's trump's channel, he pimps them and they pump him, and right now he wants people to calm down and think he has a plan. they want to give people hope.

WHY WOULD YOU TRUST ANYTHING ON CABLE NEWS??
There are celebrity gossip rags with more integrity. (unironcally)

STOP
BUYING
BIOMEME
PENNYSTOCKS!!

(Seeking Alpha is also full of shit)

>>18261255
>THINK ABOUT THE ADVANCEMENT IN TECH FROM THE 90S TO TODAY AND APPLY THAT TO TODAY
so fancier cellphones and better missiles?

>>18261588
Because nobody wants to follow and pay more for the junk he pumps.

>>18261556
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFDs1v5IurU
I think nobody can compete with our boomer TV desu. Its just another dimension of entertainment.

>>18261307
"the fed is pumping stocks"
kek

>Buy call
>Dumps
>Buy put
>Pumps
>Buy call and put
>Crabs
Should I just write an iron condor and get it all over with?

>>18261550
HODL, no seriously, pharma bro here, the data released is very encouraging and unless the execs of that company commited straight up fraud (which I find hard to believe, why would they quit McKinsey, and Pharma Megacaps to commit fraud for probably less than the stock packages they got at their previous company) this has potential. Now no one can 100% predict a trial readout but the upside (>12$ per share) is worth the risk IMHO. And also you get to f*ck the short sellers who are taking idiotic risks on this (I would have rather shorter IO biotech or immunosuppressant drug trials that are going to read out much later due to this crisis)

>>18261550
>>18261442
to add, this is what pushed me to buy in, or my reasoning for there being promise here:

just think about it logically, their partner company in japan exercised the right to buy 7 million dollars worth of shares just a few days ago. that strikes me as pretty bullish. the japanese partner company has been sitting on this "right to buy" contract for 2 years, and they just now exercise it. in this climate with corona and economic uncertainty? they just drop 7 million to buy the max amount of company shares they were entitled to? thats all public record. so i think theres something here. it might be a gem, it might not, i dont think it will be an overnight get rich quick scheme but maybe in a month or so this treatment might become really profitable. well i dont know, i dont want to convince people one way or the other because you guys will blame me if you lose all your shit and id feel bad about making other poorfags lose money. im not an economist im a NEET trying to make money with about $5,000 of savings. i think the surest bet would be to get berk.b and call it a day with the bulk of your money, thats what i plan to do. let daddy buffet take care of me. although i did buy 1 share of meme TSLA yesterday for $476 lmao.

https://apnews.com/Business%20Wire/5bf66c9df2684095b96fbd9018e3f824

>>18261307
mega bull

>>18261326
I'm only interested in growth or volatile in some way. Value, as in (ordinarily) slow moving stuff is not an efficient use of my money.

>>18261382
>t. bolsonaro

>buying anything with volatility this high
Fuck that. If I am putting any money down its on corporate bonds. That's where the real money is for Carnival, Delta, Ford, and AMC

>>18261614
>Should I just write an iron condor and get it all over with?
Pumps and dumps so hard the chart splits in two, you suffering a double loss
Nothng presonl kido

>WTI futures

>>18261655
Nothing strange. Oil is just a pump and dump meme asset. Money must move because there's money playing but no progress happening.

>>18260986
They're like a resort that moves on the ocean. The quality ones have delicious food, and great gyms and spas, a beautiful pool with a bar right beside it, big ass breakfast buffets or table service.

All the food is included, you just pay for the alcohol. And you can play blackjack all night or go to the "night club" or whatever.

Honestly... it's pretty nice. But I've heard HORRIBLE things about Carnival. Those are for poor young people who don't know any better. Whenever an entire ship gets food poisoning, it's generally a Carnival.

>>18260589
They were double downgraded today, and everyone should've seen that coming. They're now junk bonds.

>>18261655
There is an OPEC meeting tomorrow and a US Oil producer meeting at the White House tomorrow.

>>18261647
>corp bonds
Come suffer with me in DSL. That way you get exposure to cool stuff like Buenos Aires banks bonds.

>>18261054
>>18261127
those are som really scary charts. so what fucking saint will you be named after? you care so deeply for these afflicted souls. .0003 percent of the world population.i wonder what other kinds of things people die from too.. hmm let me think

>>18261685
OPEC meeting is Monday friend

>>18261594
news is the best way to make money i dont know why you would shit on it. and all the other fake news channels dont air the Trump/Pence corona conferences. ive already made money by getting the tip off when reporters ask shit and Pence name drops a company like Quest diagnostics or Roche. and i get a feel for what hes going to do. i listened to him talk about the bailouts, for the airlines, and literally say twice "we cant let a company like boeing fail, we just cant". so i fucking knew right then to jump into boeing before the stimulus package and it paid off big time. you want to have a principled tantrum and willfully stick your head in the sand like an immature crybaby lib because you dont like the president, thats your prerogative. but its costing you money. keep MSNBC blaring and continue to hear nothing but echo chamber orange man bad.

>>18260574
>45 minutes
>45 minutes
>45 minutes

Who the fuck is this guy? Is this just jokes or is there anything of value here?

>>18261696
Going to be interesting.

>>18261630
Maybe they bought because they knew it was goona pump ? Makes the most sense to me. They will probably sell it soon.

>>18260443
I was an international markets lawyer and retired at age 29. You're just a bean counter.

>>18261681
edgy bucko, tell me biggest of all faggots, when your crypto meme currency gets blacklisted for being the largest cp support in the world, or a solar flare takes out the grid and you cant turn on your pc, gasoline will be there for you. oil will be there.

We should have shut down everything over the opiod crisis

would have saved more lives than this

>>18261703
Ex wall-street dude who decided to just make lots of money off MTG. His advice is very good in general.

>>18260443
I was a navy seal

Trump should jail 3M management, liquidate the company and inject that money as more stimulus for americans.

>>18260574
Based Alpha Investments. Thank you for the heads up Anon.

>>18261747
use the executive powers to get them to clean some NYC hospital rooms.

>>18261698
The cases you cite to have profited from the news are from the public press conferences that can be accessed without cable.
This isn't about conservative vs liberal. There are shills on CNBC and Fox business as well. If a CEO's or an analyst is on air during a cable segment it means a producer willfully contacted that person to get on air. Take it with a pinch of salt.

>>18261614
It's time to stop playing options and just play with good old kiddie stocks. Just make some quick trades off of a short ETF every week and then play with options after you make enough off them.

>>18261622
yeah i mean im no pharmacist but i took bio in uni and understand the scientific method. so unless the data is forged it seems like the treatment works. the question then becomes how to bring to market, and whether it will be first, or chosen over other competitors as a preferred treatment. i just dont know, but they seem to not have any issues with bad side effects. and its a niche which has no other solutions currently in the market and its not just a "corona" specific cure, since ARDS has always been a pathology before covid19. they claim to have the current capability to mass scale production. most biopharm is scary to me, i havent invested in any others because of the time and uncertainty involved, except for a $50 gamble i stupidly threw at ONTX, which is on the long hold for an ultra niche low demand but very specific cancer drug that sortof works in some cases but not that well, and at best might turn into $100 next year lol. trust me i know the smart investments are blue chips and established funds that hold blue chips. this is my gambling money and im just enjoying the volatility of the stock market which is so extreme right now its probably a once in a lifetime event

>>18261703
It's a guy who once legitimately worked in the world of institutional investment but now he runs a YouTube channel where he teaches investing in the Magic the Gathering card game as well as giving general, legitimate investing advice where he tells things like they are. The half hour+ videos are the best because he's almost guaranteed to be doling out actual advice rather than opening packs or talking about the MTG market.

we are close to the day of peak deaths USA, probably within 5 days.

>>18261726
Sorry let me fix that: Oil is just a pump and dump meme asset *for now since the crash*. Too many people with eyes on it make it very easily perturbed. The Saudis said they want it cheap as piss but if a dubious Trump tweet pumps it 5$ then it's a meme asset.

>>18261792
This just seems naively hopeful, as if New York will be the only major city that has to deal with this.

>>18261698
CSPAN airs the complete conferences with no bullshit. Or just watch them on youtube.

>keep MSNBC blaring and continue to hear nothing but echo chamber orange man bad.
I just told you not to trust anything on cable news. Are you being retarded on purpose?

(Technically, C-SPAN is cable/satellite news but, come on. They just air shit with no interruptions, it's very convenient.)

>>18261736
>>18261779
That actually sounds VERY based.

>>18261814
New york is probably the last place to peak...

>>18261723
so what would they do, throw 7 million into it for a pump, then sell but remain partners? i guess its plausible they planned a media blitz but they still have something promising that is concrete, i guess whether or not it pans out is another thing. wouldnt that be a form of fraud though? if they planned a shill stock media tour right after buying shares only to dump because everything was faked? i dont know i wouldnt bet the house on this shit obviously. i probably should have just thrown that $1,200 at AAPL desu but i cant resist the gamble of 300%+ gains, yeah im degenerate. at least its better odds than a lottery ticket

>>18261397
that was the past
this is now
only space cruises have the mystery that you seek

>>18261614
>Should I just write an iron condor and get it all over with?
wut? Iron condor is a low volatility strategy. Opposite of what you want in this kind of market. You want straddle or strangle if you think it's gonna move sharply one way or the other.

>>18261814
would be if those new york white-niggers would have stayed in their rats nest. Instead they scattered out to the suburbs and back to their parents' houses like the little rats that they are.

once we found out 1 single person in new york city was infected we should have built a wall around the city and trapped all the rats in that disease infected shithole they all claim to love so much

>>18261817
I dabble in MTG sealed booster boxes but I will tell you this: they absolutely have not been affected by the stock market downturns. They have been slowly climbing since it happened in fact. MTG is effectively a distinctly different asset class from bonds, crypto, real estate, stocks, etc. It's largely a collectible of course but it is not in any correlated to anything else.

>>18261706
Opinion articles have always been the most retarded section of any newspaper or news site. You can post any collage of opinion posts that look just as retarded as that one.

>>18261792
Nah, other states are late on their corona parties. I think peak in May, and then we just get an almost constant amount of deaths/infections for a month before it starts declining. It's going to be just another illness in a few months, but not enough to overwhelm hospitals.

>>18261771
>the public press conferences that can be accessed without cable.
ok well i thought you were making fun of me for listening to the press conferences because orange man babbles. but like it or not the words he spews out of his mouth have ridiculous effects on the economy and you can make money by listening to every thing he says and being the first to act on it ahead of the masses who read the article a few hours later or catch the soundbite on cable news later that night.

Do I just flip a coin each time I make a trade? I feel like it's better than applying logic to this irrational market.

>>18261848
from what I'm projecting

New York will be the last to peak.
Everywhere else is pretty much done with it.

Looking at peak USA deaths by April 6th or so but NY might move that back a few days.

Ex NY/NJ we will peak in the next few days

>>18261817
thanks, i actually forgot about cspan, i just bookmarked it on my web browser. sinc i have cable i just constantly flip between bloomberg and fox to keep tabs on live corona news while reading shit posted here and onilne news

>>18260349
That first coffee of the day

Remember the rule lads, it's not hard

>>18261859
It's honestly better not to bother. The market is pure TA right now with good news being pumps and bad news being super pumps.

>>18261862
US is far from peak levels and once again once restrictions are lifted, all countries have the same problem - guess why everyone is extending the lockdown periods - from China to Russia to whole Europe. Nobody has a solution.

>>18261852
>i thought you were
>but like it or not
Well maybe you shouldn't assume things.
I support Trump and voted for him in 2016 and plan to this year.

>>18261862
It's a false sense of security because lockdowns are working. There's going to be a second wave when things don't lockdown anymore, unless seasonality is actually really big for the virus. Honestly controlled infection is probably the easiest/fastest way through the pandemic, but I think it's an insane policy to actually do without pissing off the population. Plus I don't know how long a person can be infectious when asymptomatic so there's that issue.

>>18260574
lol ive actually watched a bunch of his videos before. he has used timmy and taco stands as an example more than once. his vids always make me wish i had bought the alpha black lotus from the card shop for $275 instead of 2 booster boxes of 4th edition with my birthday money back in elementary school. biggest financial mistake of my life

>>18260574
5
5
10
40
40

easy

>>18261706
I just read an article about "You should have listened!" from some virologist who said the politicians did not listen to the doctors, who all said the virus is super dangerous. "if only the people would hasve listened to the experts!"

4 weeks ago all the doctors I know said the virus is a nothingburger. All the doctors in the media said the virus is a nothingburger. The media quoted experts saying this is just some random hysteria again.

>>18261859
Now is probably the worst time to try to buy in as an investor. You want to want until volatility calms the fuck down. If you are a trader just think like a boomvestor (see >>18261698). Immediately buy any stock that gets mentioned by anyone high up in the white house food chain. The higher the better. Hold until it gets a boomer pump, and then dump it before the end of the conference.
The only "trump" pump that has had any real impact so far is the oil one. But oil memers are desperate for any good news like shitcoiners.

>>18261900
Exactly this. Doctors in literally every country downplayed this shit...and now they make a 180°

>>18260465
How long before Corona is classified as racist

>>18261859
Yes. Alternatively you just do not invest right now like I do. I might as well bet on horse races.

Right now Im trying to look into single stuff that may get some boost from good/bad news like LK or USO.
But its hard.

>>18261893
Masks and behavioral advisory will be enough for may-august weather

It's the fall you need a good treatment/cure by.

>>18261910
Yeah. But the people are not falling for it in my opinion.

>>18261905
kek. to be fair oil is a no brainer long play. it has nothing to do with Trump. oil is not going to stay $10/barrel forever, the 2 countries price warring literally depend on oil for most of their GDP. they have to get prices back to normal eventually, whether thats next year or the year after. either way buying oil now is a no brainer and has nothing to do with boomervesting or Trump pumps. anyone with a brain knows oil is worth more than free. they are literally on the verge of paying people to take the oil. how could you not buy into it now? talk about once in a lifetime event

>>18261905
also if you are truly investing, for long term, now is fine. you already got shit discounted heavily and cant go wrong with solid mutual funds or ETFs like berkshire. just fire and forget

>coffee club checking in

Who here sipping

I lost $8k yesterday because I panic sold my BA puts. If I had just fucking held, I would’ve had at least a $5k profit.

What money moves will help me regain some of that loss tomorrow, fellas?

>>18261942
Also, don't be stupid enough to invest in shale companies. Invest in normal oil companies instead of ones that are on the verge of bankruptcy whenever the price of oil dips. Some shale companies will go out of business or be crippled for a long time, but others are guaranteed recovering. Those companies also probably have higher stock prices now anyways.

>>18261942
>they have to get prices back to normal eventually, whether thats next year or the year after. either way buying oil now is a no brainer and has nothing to do with boomervesting or Trump pumps
Yes, but don't bother with anything other than XOM, CVX, BP, RDS.B, etc. All this constant memeing about shale companies or GUSH in this general is shitcoining. It doesn't matter if "oil comes back" in months (or more likely, years) those companies will be dead. They are overloaded with debt and required high margins from $60+/barrel to make it all work. An economic slump and a price war deliberately targeted at them is going to kill them all. Their debt is more worthwhile to own than their stock.

It's a call-buying time Friday

What are some things to invest in that do not correlate with the big stock indexes?

>>18261978
Panic buy IFF
Panic short ETM

These are random trackers, so the Bogs cant track your moves

>>18261983
Imagine how dumb are the people that bought into frack sand suppliers. Ha-ha, just imagine...

>>18261983>>18262001

im only going with the "too big to fail" types that our gov would never let fail. like xom and hal, and i have some leap options on USO in 2022. oil might not come back for at least a year, even if they stop the price war now. there is too much surplus oil and damage to the speed of the world economy and oil demand and corona isnt even going to stop being a problem for at least a year

>>18261840
That's the point. I've already managed to make this market crab just by getting both a call and put. By writing some options instead of trading them I let it all end with the inevitable infinite losses.

>>18261977
I'm right here with you fren

FUCK
I JUST TAPPED THE STUPID FUCKING TOUCHBAR ON MY LAPTOP AND ERASED EEEEVVVERRYYYTHHIIINNGGGG!!!

it was a helpful response and warning... oh well

>>18261951
I like Berkshire!

Many of their businesses will be hit by this (DairyQueen, See's, GEICO, Rails, Banks, etc.) but they've got smart people at the top and looooots of cash to bail out any of them that are struggling. And if shits about to really get bad, Warren may go elephant hunting.

>>18262001
XOM took out fucking debt just to support their dividend. I don't like the look of that. CVX is the only one I trust now, and I still think it's a trade. the demand just isn't there if no one's going anywhere or building anything.

>>18261894
buying cards always felt like cheating to me

>>18261845
interesting. I am very skeptical about collectibles. I don't see wine, baseball cards, or stamps maintaining value as well this next century as it has the past century.

Millennials are killing beer and wine right now. I wonder how long spiked seltzer will be in charge.

>>18261883
based

>>18261883

>>18262064
>>18262078
finally a president I can be proud of

>>18262061
the cash is a big thing with berkshire. you know buffett is going to be scooping up cheapies left and right and bailing out his problems. they wont make you rich overnight but berkshire will give you pretty consistent long term 8%+ growth that is quite safe and diverse

DAX dropping like a feather

>>18261723
Thats not how Pharma partnerships work... these contracts are hundreds of pages long and besides no other nano or small cap would ever do business with a biotech that is just pumping and dumping smaller ones...

Look this is risky, because of the underlying risks in scaling / commercializing and of course trial readout, I work at a Megacap pharma and just this year a Ph3 we were 100% certain would work shit the bed at interim analysis, this is the risk of the biz. Now I wouldnt gamble all your savings on one - diversify and diversify beyond biotech but if you did invest already hold till the next catalysts/announcements instead of selling at a loss unless you need the cash.

>>18262061
>XOM took out fucking debt just to support their dividend. I don't like the look of that
I'll be honest I haven't looked at the bigboys in particular. But however good or bad they may be they are still going to be orders of magnitude better than all these shale companies. If all those guys go under I am sure the entire US/Canda/Mexico oil industry is in flames so you would have lost putting money anywhere.
There is the benefit though that they have a product that will be back in demand and has recovered multiple times in the past. I am currently avoiding anything that has most of their retail space in malls. I think malls are going to get blockbuster'd. They were on their way there already, I think this will be the start of the great reckoning.

>>18261682
>164mil labor force
isnt there like 340 million people in america? why are only half of them working?

>>18262064
>>18262078
trump is fucking wild. hysterical shitposting has carried him so far. i dont like him or most of his policies, but i sort of respect him, the way you might respect Nero. i imagine he plays poker without looking at his hand

Will robbinnigger exercise a covered call automatically if i own enough shares or will i get fucked by them and get put in a naked call?

>>18262115
Yeah, I could see Trump pulling that off.

>>18262064
>which are wrong in every way

kek

Be careful about dividend stocks, if they suspend dividends this and potentially even next year you fell into the value trap. If they take up debt to pay dividends then I wouldn’t touch that.

That being said, what are some good international and US dividend stocks?

Nikkei with a peak Snib Snab

>>18262113
34% of the population is 0-14 or 65+ (retirement age). Consider those in school from 15-20 and state at home parents and you can get to half easily.

>>18262129
Yeah.

>>18262113
>retired
>children
>housewives
>NEETs
>black people

>10k from oil short over night
>30k from scalping bounce that just happened
feels good man

Why is oil still pumping from yesterday, this is crazy, anyone know if something else happened ?

>>18262106
Appreciate the input pharmabrah

Anything you're collecting? I've got a chunk of Regeneron I'm excited about.

Also a handful of JNJ and I want more, some Abbvie and I want out, and some Merck that I'm kind of indifferent about right now. Sold my Bristol Myers Squibb and kindof wish I hadn't, but JNJ and REGN seem like better ideas right now.

>>18262113
You do know it's like 5% of economy that drives everything right?

>Data is starting to come in
>It's bad
>US markets suddenly woke up and we are pumping.
Come on Jerome save your load for the US numbers.

>>18262061
>XOM took out fucking debt just to support their dividend
This is actually bullish. Not paying dividends would make people who held even more salty. They want to keep the long term hodlers.

>>18262182
Bro bad news = Bottom buy buy buy

>>18262182
I hope he pumps me up high for my friday dump.

>>18261977
sipping with lucky coffee

>>18262064
>Official shitposting with presidential letterhead
Suddenly everything feels like it's worth it. I fucking love this clown world.

>>18262144
JNJ, KO, PEP, MSFT,

>>18262207
Holy shit, AN ACTUAL CUSTOMER
Someone take the screenshot

>>18262173
not him but i honestly think JNJ stands a good chance to come out with big profits from corona vaccine going forward next year. plus they are a pretty safe blue chip because they are into everything, not just pharma. and they have factories and sell all over the world. i would feel good about owning JNJ. if i had more money there are so many things i would love to own but its hard to spread a small stack around into everything you want to dabble with. on top of this i want a small bit of physical silver/gold so its hard to see all these great buying opportunities right now but not have the dosh to act on it

>>18262173
These are all solid picks. BMS, JNJ and Pfizer are good buy and hold / dividend stocks. Apart from moderna, I tend to buy non covid related stocks at the moment looking at the long term. I do think in 2-4 weeks (when the NASDAQ sets up for another dive) you will get them at an even better price.
Ionis, Neurocrine, Halozyme, Incyte, Vertex, Nektar to name a few

>>18262217
NKE too

>evens oil deal goes through and it moons
>odds it doesn't go through and oil dumps to $10

https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobility/2020-03-29_US_New_York_Mobility_Report_en.pdf

interesting, google made report cards for everyone

>>18262227
I know its pretty plain vanilla and no exotic nanocaps you havent heard about but I just like to diversify and minimize risk

>>18262198
I know but it's not even our news. It's pumping on Italy's and France's horrible PMI. It will be +4 before our shit comes out, how am I supposed to make use of that if the futures do the run up. We'll just crab all cash.

>>18262241
putting in 10k 6x short later

>>18262260
With stupid high volatility and a weekend coming up all of the volume will be in first 5 minutes and last 30. Don't even need to bother looking at tickers in between because that is just noise
The only question is if you expect a dump at the EOD. If you do, buy Monday. If you don't buy in the morning around lunch.

>>18262247
>private company has more information on you than the government
really makes you think

>>18260349
What stocks would hajime invest in?

>>18262247
interesting, anecdotal (worthless) information between spain/italy and say germany. Spain and Italy actually shut down everything pretty well but had bigger increases in residential traveling.

Maybe it was friends/family all visiting each other during the shut down in Italy/Spain that kept things spreading.

>>18262231
I am very concerned about any company that doesn't have a solid balance sheet right now, and don't know too much about analyzing them, but I know JNJ's sheet is rated AAA, as is Microsoft.

Nike, I don't know what the new world is going to look like. I can see the demand for things like basketball shoes and other athletic gear dropping until people are comfortable with the virus situation. That could take a long time.

The other one to add in would probably be VZ.

>>18262219
JNJ has stated they are working on the vaccine on a not-for-profit basis.

>>18262227
>>18262253
I've only heard of some of those but I don't remember why. I just removed Incyte from my watch list yesterday because I forgot why I put them on there.

I will have to look into those a bit. You prefer PFE and BMY over MRK?

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go to next thread

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>>18262078
Absolutely savage bants there. The semi-cordial tone he goes for in this letter has a sharper sting than his usual twitter posts.

>>18262115
>plays poker without looking at his hand
That's my special trick! It's really fun and good practice.

>>18262292
feminine weeabo colleagues with kansai accent

>>18262292
LOVE (Lovesac)
TOM (FRA: Toyota)
BOY (LSE: Bodycote)

>>18262355
yo SAME
gonna make cummies inside a tomboy before the year is over
swear on my life

>>18262310
I am long Incyte due to information I cannot share - but check out the PV/MF market and a number of skin conditions.

Merck was extremely lucky with their pipeline and Keytruda especially so I wouldnt buy them “at the top”. BMS and PFE are hungrier to catch up and refresh their biz IMO

>>18262381
>>18262355
>>18262347
based

>>18262388
Hmmm... interesting opinions, I will do more research.

I think part of my interest in incyte was to do with Baker Bros building a position. I really wish I could remember. Is there anything you can share about the rest of them?

>>18260885
Everything can be traced to demographics. Look at who pays net positive in taxes and had to pay for shitskins

>>18260995
HCQ is the drug.

>>18261470
Just call up Mike Lindell for a pillow stimulus package.

>>18260944
Correct. Since once it advances its an immune disorder you are dealing with, not a viral one.