/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>18258659
>DC has fallen

Fat chance of that ever happening.

>>18258659
is that the in-game graphics?
I don't play new video games...

>>18258673
>>18258673

They gotta spend it before they spend it
you know the saying

RTN chads, ready to become RTX chads?

>>18258734
What is the point of putting logos on a missile?

It’s gonna retest... right bros??

I didn’t build my stack up enough I got spooked!

>>18258684
Kek'd no

>>18258489
>>18258616
>I never touch oil, that shit is magic voodoo that makes bitcoin look tame when geopolitical shit like this is happening.
This blazing retard right here.
I don't know why you hate oil so much, probably because you lost a lot of money shorting it. But you know, let us be realistic here, oil is water to machines. You can't fucking run anything without oil! It is one of the most important commodities in the world, just right below gold.

>geopolitical shit like this is happening
This is just an exemption, there won't be next time. Oil would've never crashed had this pandemic never happened.

Kushner is freakishly intelligent.

>>18258753
That was a Block IV demonstrator flight, not a production missile. Most do not have logos.

I think we might just bounce off this trend line for a while. We might not see a hard drop, but rather a slow burn.

>>18258777
>Oil would've never crashed had this pandemic never happened.
Oil price war had nothing to do with the economic slowdown. It just became so much harder for any other country to try to stop.
>>18258799
Well he is president of the United States

>>18258762
There's no way it doesn't we're not even at peak and we've yet to see the kinetic payload of this whole thing on the market. Everybody is excitable right now with all the volatility in life, the market, and politics, even shit like food availability. We're razor focused expecting massive changes over days, when it'll take weeks or months before we start seeing a lot of the real shit occurring. Shit, evictions can take 90 days, or more.

>>18258674
Honestly, it would probably be one of the first to go. Huge basketball american population there

I wish someone told me that selling puts is almost like becoming the house. It almost doesn't seem fair. It's like setting a cardboard box, stick and string trap and ringing the dinner bell for retarded people with a gambling addiction.

what even is money

>>18258864
That's bullish. Removing basketball americans will positively affect the economy.

>>18258869
Until the bogs come fo you

>>18258869
Well it's all fun and games until you actually end up selling a contract that someone exercises and you need to foot the bill for it.

>>18258881
At one time it was Salt.

>>18258869
until you get fucked over bigly

>>18258869
Thanks for the money

>>18258895
When someone wins it does me a favor almost. It's like running those rigged carnival games. Sure once in awhile some skilled basketball autist will clean out my supply of Rastafarian bananas, but then when the other retards see him do it, they will say "HEY THAT LOOKS EASY!" and they will get in line to buy. Who knows maybe I just haven't gotten bogged hard enough yet.

>>18258864
I live in DC. There are many a reason why that would never happen here... Although today someone started a dumpster fire near where I live. Who knows, anything can happen.

>>18258921
Why on earth would I sell a put on something like SQQQ in clown world?

>>18258869
-Just make sure you write them for stocks you want to own or already own.
-Stagger your strike price with increasing sell ratios to keep cost basis low in the event the option is exercised

>>18258869
You're phone's ringing, see who it is

Gonna set SPXS sell limits at 18.50, 19, and 20. Currently hodling at 18.10

>>18258921
By the way remember when you could buy options with premiums in pennies that weren't outrageously OTM?

What if we've been looking at the bubble the wrong way?

>>18258976

>>18258976

>>18258976
>first sell off
zoom out

>>18258976
delete this

>>18258954
That is my prime rule. I find strike prices that are already below where I am looking for a buy in. I usually miss the bottom anyways. I might as well get paid to do it, or get paid to wait like a little bitch. I don't do none covered options.

>>18258976
Anon run.
You just posted something th

>>18258976
guys I just saved this photo an

>>18258976
HOLY FUCK

>>18258954
Nah bruh imma just write SPY 200 puts a month out

>>18258825
yeah it's all chinese water torture from here.

>>18258799
he got a fat titted trump wife

estimated iq 180

>>18258976
>20 million are dead
>everyone in the entire US unemployed
>war with Iran
>Oil is 1$ a barrel
>SPY is at 1000

>>18258976
saved
checked
archived

I will post this in one month when this prophet has been proven correct

>>18259007
>>18258954
owning the instrument that you are writing puts on does nothing to cover you...
the only way to "cover" a put is to hold x100 short positions compared to how many puts you write.

only long positions can cover calls, only short positions can cover puts.

>>18258976
Checked, actual 28383747D chess at work here boys!!!

>>18259050
priced in

I bought refr and ge today. Did I do good?

>>18259038
Yup, there's really only two bearish ways around this. Either buy long dated puts, or write calls above the trend for bulls to get suckered into.

>>18258734
What do you mean?

I bought 4/17 200p spy a week ago. How fucked am I?

Imagine investing in Luckin coffee thinking it was the New Starbucks

>We hit 3M hard today after seeing what they were doing with their Masks. “P Act” all the way. Big surprise to many in government as to what they were doing - will have a big price to pay!

God fucking dammit orange man, how could you skullfuck my oil options this morning with such specificity then be so vague about this. TELL ME WHAT YOU MEAN I NEED TO KNOW WHAT MMM IS GOING TO DO

>>18259126
its probably already down 80% since you bought, what the fuck do you think

half of us are getting fucked tomorrow, who will it be? mostly horizontal yellow line is support since 2008, downward yellow is resistance since the start of this crash.

>>18258881
At one time it was tulip.

>>18259161
3M distributors were selling masks under the table to foreign entities

>>18259170
I only have nintendo and abbot stock, I sold off everything else because I got uncomfortable

>>18259118
Before the market opens Friday, Raytheon will merge with UTX to become Raytheon Technologies, RTX

>>18259170
>muh charts
>muh lines

>>18259170
Jesus that is hard to read

>>18258976
Clever lad.

>>18259149
I fucking learned my lesson with fucking NIO the fucking chicks will never get my fucking money again I'm honestly happy about the virus they earn it

Who else is dollar cost averaging boomer ETFs?

>>18258841
EVERYONE is staying home and playing Animal Crossing and Pokemon Go though, and FE Heroes just added some MAJOR money making additions (something very temptinng even for me and it's $30 and I've never spent a dime on gatcha)

>>18258864
>legs crossed
>neck hidden
I hate what this board has done to me
This time, that is NOT a man

>>18258839
>Oil price war had nothing to do with the economic slowdown
I think the collapse in demand had a lot to do with it. It gave them the opening to push the price down further and crush the Permian.

>>18259181
based nintendies investor

>>18259226
>fucking chicks will never get my fucking money again

redpilled. fuck thots.

I've started dreading 4PM EST everyday, not only because the market closes, but because these threads die and you fuckers are the only people I talk to.

so let me get this straight, selling an otm covered call and buying an itm put means theres basically no way to lose money if you can make more off selling the call than buying the put premium for?

>>18259229
priced in and greenpilled

kek

>>18259253
Oh shit, now we have to kill you. Sorry

who else ruined by options?
i took the $14 i have left and went all in on WTIU. i suppose it would been smarter to just go down to the tracks and bet on the greyhound with th ebiggest dick

>>18259258
totally unpredicted

Priced in, blumpfkins?

>>18259258
BULLISH. LOOKS LIKE AN ERECTION

>>18259253

>>18259278
Why is he short? Isn’t that nigga like 6’3”?

We're just gonna crab until there's good news. No more drops bigger than 5% unless a volcano goes off or mortgages collapse.

>>18259278
quite frankly nothing is priced in but im beginning to suspect it never will be

>>18259258
Flatten that curve!
Look at it flatten!

>>18259258
OOOOOOOOHHHHHH

>>18259245
Auto correct but point still stands I have sqqq if we have another bull run tomorrow my gf is getting another fat lip

>>18259292
>a volcano goes off
>mortgages collapse

uh, anon...

>>18259278
99% of leaders fucked up

>>18259288
Yes

>>18259258

flattened the curve, nice

It's pretty gay that the U.S. markets are closed for like 15 hours days. They should be open 24/7

>>18259248
How was your day anon you know we will always be here for you...... Don't forget to buy sqqq

>>18259317
>They should be open 24/7
Fuck you. My blood pressure is high enough as it is.

>>18259258
bullish

>>18259292
>mortgages collapse.
bad news anon. we are strapped in and the rollercoaster is starting

>>18259317
Nip market has a god damn lunch break

new york kek

>>18259258
So how do I short US unemployment?

>>18259317
Yeah! Fuck sleep! I want my brain to explode into a puddle of redbull

>>18259344
lmao

fuck jew york

>>18259317
Reminder next week Friday is off

4 day week with 3 day weekend gonna be fun during peak deaths

>>18258806

Recently moved into this industry, tell me something cool about missiles

>>18259353
incoming 5000 liberal twitter checkmarks crying about people being at a beach in Florida in sunlight

>>18258777
>This is just an exemption, there won't be next time.
imbecile

These financial "journalists" are pretty much priced in, aren't they?

>>18259358
>Jesus gets stabbed
>futures go up
Clown market

>>18258881
the most liquid asset in an economy

>>18259328
The markets move overnight anyway, all you're doing is barring retail traders from participating in that action. pre/post market trading is pure fucking bullshit, if I could go to sleep knowing my portfolio will be the same as it was on the previous session's close I'd be fine with it, but that isn't the case.

is this priced in and/or bullish

>>18259358
I don't get why they close on Good Friday. Do the Jews really celebrate killing Jesus so much they need an entire day off for it?

>U.S GOVERNMENT SEIZES CONTROL OF 3M

>U.S GOVERNMENT SEIZES CONTROL OF 3M


https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/04/02/president-trump-invokes-defense-production-act-taking-control-of-3m-production/#more-188151

Even for a boomer, bill mitchell is kind of the most boomer you can be.

>>18259391
>republican party becomes socialist
top kek

>>18259391
>theconservativetreehouse
fuck off with your boomer rag retard

>>18259387
deaths and stuff don't matter for stock prices

It's how long the shutdown lasts.

>>18259372
>has nothing to contribute to the thread
>resorts to name-calling instead
I want /wsb/ and /pol/ to leave.

>>18259348
>short US unemployment?
invest in the S&P 500? find some 3x leveraged ETF and cast your fate to the wind. i suppose you could buy calls

>>18259391
Is this bullish? I can't tell

>>18259391
Sundance's head has been buried in the sand when it comes to Corona.

>>18259353
inb4 butthurt jew york kvetching about their kiked up shithole

>>18259406
>say stupid shit and get insulted
>noooooooooo stop bullying I bet you're from one of those places that are unpopular here heh
gay retard

>>18259404
Deaths are unironically bullish because it means fewer pensions being paid out. Corona would be an actual economic nothingburger if the states around the world didn't shut anything down.

New York to overtake Italy soon.

>>18259353
>>18259428
are people going to dislike big cities now?

I wonder how much extra times you get the flu/colds and random shit living in a place like new york

>>18259253
The ghetto spread nigger

>>18259439
millions of people in one locked down megacity
How many 9/11's are we gonna see every day?

>>18259435
I agree but I think it would be hard politically for a democratic leader to do so.

>>18258777
> It is one of the most important commodities in the world, just right below gold.
This might possibly be the single most retarded thing I've ever read in my life.

>>18259248
Relish it faggot. I work all day, come home to girlfriend and kid and get 1 hour to myself at about 10-11pm before bed. All this because I coom’d in this bitch

>>18259261
>>18259287
>SPY call for $251 is $5.50 while put is $4.63

holy shit this meme strat might actually work

You will lose if you try to bring economic reality into the stock market. It's been decoupled for decades. What is aggravating is the reverse, day traders and investors that think they understand the economy because they made money in the market.

>>18259258
Yeah it's a unique situation. The reason the market did not dump double extra hard on anticipation and confirmation of this is the thinking that it's a temporary deal. Mostly resolved in a few months and not a problem caused by systemic breakdown*.

*- I know everything bubble bobo crew dispute this. No I don't want to debate it.

>>18259304
It's fine, we have at least until May.

>>18259387
inevitable. With triage already occurring and somebody post code requiring a ventilator and being often a vegetable anyway. Boomers and families are in for a nasty surprise though.

>>18259479
Pretty accurate

Market wants Trump to override everyone and open shit back up on May 1

We can all play a game of cooties trying not to get sick

>>18259443
cities are for loose women, jews, and niggers.\
>>18259453
i think new york will end up with about 200,000 dead by the end of the year. we're at 2500 deaths and the motherfucker is still going straight exponential with no signs of slowing down.

>>18259439
Didn't Italy basically outright state that shit was way worse there and that numbers are restricted by testing? Not trying to downplay the situation in New York at all, shit's fucked, but it seems like the US is just testing enough people to demonstrate how fucked the world in general is.

>>18258976

>>18259435
>Corona would be an actual economic nothingburger if the states around the world didn't shut anything down.
v true. look at the 1918 pandemic. stocks went up, and that one was 10x worse than this one

>>18259490
probably like 2 million got it in NY already

>>18259492
Yes. They're on record that they can't attribute obvious corona deaths because they technically didn't test positive because of testing backlog.

Hello, my fellow day traders. How do I make the money? I want the big money. Thank you for your time.

Is Covid-19 a bioweapon?

>>18259344
>>18259391
FUcking such good news buying even more calls tomorrow

>>18259401
They were caught selling to other countries.

>>18259513
Fuck that's awful, honestly wishing them the best. Spaghetti people are alright in my book and it's a shame to see them suffering so much.

>>18259514
take out a loan and load up on naked SQQQ Calls

>>18259514
You'll lose it all. Just get high interest savings account.

>>18259514
Two choices:
1. Have a lot of money to start such that a percentage point or five = a lot of money
2. Gamble and hope

>>18259528
Possible but no clear evidence of that yet. Not public anyway.

>>18259258
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atuFSv2bLa8

>>18259528
No, legit a research strain the Chinese CDC were using to find a vaccine for SARS 1. Too bad they fucked up by hiring Chinks.

>>18259391
A big portion of my portfolio is 3m I don't even know anymore how the market will react to this if true fuck this clown market

>>18259528
Doesn't matter if every country in the world wants to hold China accountable.

>>18259547
Also possible.

>>18259514
honestly, don't ask advice. if you ask for advice, youll do the same things others are doing, and youll lose money. you'll probably have better luck than /biz/ just picking stocks at random.
people who are kind of informed just end falling sentiment. they see something is rising, so they buy at the top. then something is crashing, so they flee and sell at bottom. they waste money on options that seem obvious, and pay out the ass for premiums. every trade bleeds them a little bit. a little bit of knowledge will make you a worse trader. source: the more i read, the shittier ive gotten.
only people who are completely uninformed or absolutely brilliant make serious money

>>18259402
Fox said the same thing tonight.
Use real news sources retard.

>>18258976
>SHUT IT DOWN!

>>18258659
Someone explain this to me, do I get a free $700 if this exercises? 10 shares of T Mobile worth ~$880, strike price @$9.... what am I missing

>>18259505
it ain't enough

>>18259475
so true

>>18259149
this
>>18259226
I made the same mistake with JD, buying their stock and watching it tumble while they made literally made no money felt like being scammed out of rune plate when I was 7 years old. It's gone above what I bought it at since but I have no faith in that company and their CCP puppet management.

>>18259563
>Fox said the same thing tonight
provide a link or fuck off

>>18258659
Investing starting 25k into the stock market using credit spreads shelling short puts for premium to be assaignwd and then sell covered calls.

After all my research this aeema a very easy and engaging way to make huge money on markets?

>>18259599
No. You should have watched mommy shannon like I did.

>>18259514
You've got to be (1) contrarian as hell, (2) shoot from the hip with absolute confidence, and (3) not be afraid to be wrong and let go of positions and take a loss.

Those last two things are hard to find in one person. Confident people tend to cling to their beliefs and hold, then get raped to death by decay. People willing to be wrong tend to suffer from analysis paralysis and end up buying the top and selling the bottom.

>>18259608
Or the wheel strategy some say it underperformed a lot of etfs but I think if done right it would make way more. I just want to be a millionaire baby. Rich dad poor dad screw that this wall street

TOMORROW ALL IN
SPY 220 PUTS APRIL 17

>>18259492

Italy did 500k tests and confirmed 100k cases, NY did 200k tests and confirmed 100k cases. It's looking incredibly grim over the next fortnight for New York.

>>18258659
Recently unemployed or graduating anons, what are you doing to stay afloat during this time? Curious what it looks like for those of us without cozy remote positions. Do you see any hope?

>>18259638
Cash secured puts are very profitable if well timed with increased IV. Also the margin requirements are not 1:1, so as long as you don't do something stupid to blow up your margin you can collect premiums on multiples of your capital. A lot of people here fail to understand the point of a CSP is to set a strike price you're willing to buy the underlying at.

>>18259577
sell to open, sell to close, sell what?

man, robinhood is really designed for the lowest common denominator.

>>18259641
Are Bane memes about to become a reality?

>>18259640
Youre absolutely right that this should happen, Bobro
But it wont. It will crab and close at -.2%

>>18259679
Robinhood is trash, which is why I’m having this issue. I’m trying to exercise a Call Option which I bought for Sprint that got converted to T-Mobile in their merger. I’m not selling to close, that’s just the only fucking screen in that gay app that tells you what your contract is for.

>>18259671
Yes I agree and covered calls generate money on rather neutral stocks. Credit spreads are good as well I nwed to learn more about them.

>>18259559
>a little bit of knowledge will make you a worse trader. source: the more i read, the shittier ive gotten.
>only people who are completely uninformed or absolutely brilliant make serious money
True.
Why is it that way though? Overthinking?

Thoughts on Sands China vs LVS?

>>18259679
For this one it’s sell to close. But I’m looking to exercise the contract to buy the shares and don’t know how to use Robinhood’s shitty app to do it.

>>18259070
No, it’s a cash covered put. Owning the underlying asset allows you to lower your cost basis of that asset. Writing puts is a fabulous DCA tool.

>>18259641
everybody in NY got it

but avg age in NYC is much lower than northern Italy

Because it's exponentially worse for older this factors in

>>18259716
>sheldon adelson

well on one hand the business is failing, on the other, he's Trump's largest donor and he's a jew, so he'll likely be bailed out by the government

>>18259640
I would join you bobo bro but I need to ride oil back to 21. Godspeed.

Do you think I could bait Bobos by writing ridiculous SPY puts for a month out? Like write a bunch of SPY 150 puts?

>>18259721
honestly i've never used robinhood, idk how to help you. just call them, they should at least have a robo adviser that can execute trades for you, at least that what real brokerages do.

>bullish?
check
>priced in?
check
>analysis
spy 300 by close

>>18259754
>literally becoming Bernie but with a weird fixation on walls
zzzzzz
>>18259746
It is much easier to bait mumus than bobos and it also works better for you if it turns against you

>>18259715
>Why is it that way though? Overthinking?
If you're slightly informed, you just end up following market sentiment, which means you buy at the worst possible moments. buy high, sell low

>>18259640
just buy calls goy

>>18259765
>a weird fixation on walls
Not anymore. It was a campaign promise but now he claims we need more immigrants coming in than ever before.

>>18259344
More dead blacks is bullish.

>>18259715
It can be harder to outsmart an opponent that is making seemingly random moves.
EMA and MA still do far better than some of the craziest, convoluted, most in depth TA and EA I've ever seen. For example.

>>18259749
Good idea, I sent emails but they sent auto responses about COVID-19. I’ll try to call.
I just wanna buy 10 shares of T-Mobile for $90 like it says lol. Robinhood must be stopped

>>18259780
He was shilling the wall in yesterday's press conference with the CBP officer

>>18259710
Maybe it's psychological but I'm not a fan of covered calls. They have higher margin requirements and low volatility stocks have little yield on the strategy. I prefer bull credit spreads in that case. If my puts are assigned, I hold the underlying by itself as an investment.

>>18259768
Probably bcuz people try things that they don't know why or how to apply a lot of people try day trading amd that is crazy to make money. Hft do what they do but way better.

>>18259774
You will never take my money Mr Shekelsteinberg

>>18259790
dude every brokerage is free now, just switch

>>18259798
Bull credit is selling for premium to negate loss on your call?

>>18259794
LMAO yeah with the economy at a standstill what we need to be doing is focusing on starting an expensive project.
what we need to be doing right now is Nationwide pandemic enforced by the fed gov. and telling everyone abroad to come home now before our travel bans.
The fuck are we going to do once we return to "normal" and people bring corona right back into the borders. Shut down again?

Honestly, we're fucked aren't we? They're not going to enforce the quarantine stringent enough, so we're just going to draw out the infection for a long time, eventually say fuck it everyone return to work, and it's gonna peak and overwhelm us just as if we did nothing. Except our economy is fucked people are unemployed AND we now have to deal with a stack of bodies.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>18259808
oy vey!!! it's only a matter of time, goy

>>18259790
Robinhood is literally only good for learning things for the first time. Like working with single stocks to get a feel for it and an idea of what you are looking for in trading.
No one should be using robinhood once they start putting serious money in. That jewry with their network being "down" during high volume trading is absolute bullshit.

>>18259344
lol number 2 because its full of BROWNS

>>18259829
>Honestly, we're fucked aren't we? They're not going to enforce the quarantine stringent enough, so we're just going to draw out the infection for a long time, eventually say fuck it everyone return to work, and it's gonna peak and overwhelm us just as if we did nothing. Except our economy is fucked people are unemployed AND we now have to deal with a stack of bodies.
if we give up on quarantine, economy will surge

>>18259844
Why?

>>18259827
Bull credit spread is short put hedged with long put. Effectively a cash secured put but with limited downside.

>>18259829
>starting an expensive project
The funds for the portion of the wall they're working on was already allocated in the previous spending bill. It's not a new project.

>>18259839
Yeah robinhood is absolutely in cahoots with several market makers, they have like 14 different entities that cover their operations, it’s obscene

>futures STILL red
mumu?

>>18259827
>>18259638
https://www.interactivebrokers.co.jp/en/index.php?f=4745&p=opt
These are my brokers' margin requirements. As well as explanation on all option strategies. Some may have higher requirements, but these are the US federal minimums.

>>18259813
TD?

>>18259844
This actually borders on death cult appraisal of life. It really becomes an argument that those who aren't working, due to age or illness, are expendable.
The problem is the half assed commitment to Brazil's "JUST A FLU BRO" approach and Italy's. It will almost certainly be an unhappy middle we have chose where we get economic damage and prolong this thing.

>>18259874
not red enough, need to see -2% to feel comfortable

>>18259884
>.co.jp
おまんこ

>>18259729

True, although one benefit for Italy's stats is that with a small population of young people they can just give all the young hospitalised people all the ventilators (and let the elderly die). A young population means your young people could feasibly overwhelm the ventilator capacity by themselves, at which point your rate of young people dying skyrockets (without aid it's very easy to die even in your 20s-40s, but with aid you're close to 100% likely to live if you're that young)

It's great to be a young person sick in Italy because you know that if your condition worsens they'll just kick some old retard out of a hospital bed for you

Overall death stats will be alleviated by a younger population though of course

Why can't niggers read? The reason quarentines are in place is because YOU NEED ICU, WITH ICU YOU LIVE, WITHOUT ICU THE WU FLU WILL KILL 20-30% OF THE POPULATION.

Why do I even bother explaining things to niggers? I'm sure the only reply back will be some nigger argument like "muh hoax", yes retarded nigger the government is attacking it's own economy over a hoax! EPIC!

>>18259870
The fuck are funds worth now? It's an imaginary number in an account. That doesn't get shit on the ground done. I mean resource and time expensive we have other shit to deal with.

The wall was a good idea when illegal immigration was our nations primary concern.

>>18259723
as long as you understand that holding the underlying and writing puts on it at the same time makes you more vulnerable to any downwards movement, not less vulnerable

>>18259839
Yeah agreed. I started the account as a complete know-nothing and thought TD and Etrade etc all took commission and had 2-5k minimums. Will be switching ASAP. At least I am learning for the first time it’s still annoying to not be able to even translate what you learn to the platform.

>>18259387
Nigga there's like a 5% chance you'll live more than 2 days even if they get a pulse.
Resuscitation is a meme.

>>18259913
I’m no more vulnerable than setting limit buys for 30 days.

>>18259514
have you heard of compounding

>>18259910
I don't think the construction of the wall is impeding the clinical response to the virus.
The funds are already allocated and distributed to the contractors who pay their construction workers.

>>18259897
一緒に寝よう

>futures down
guaranteed green tomorrow. get fucked bobo

>>18259738
Anon did you buy Exxon at 21?

>>18259729
>>18259904
I don't think you quite get this. The fatality rate as a function of age is correlated with comorbidity factors such as prior kidney, lung, heart, or liver problems. The media age in the US is about 8 years younger but we are also far unhealthier. There is so much obesity in the United States and that is bad since it correlates with lung and heart problems even before you consider smoking in the population.
The United States is effectively much older because of how unhealthy it is.

>>18259278
is that comic implying that Trump somehow could have prevented the chinese corona pandemic from killing a lot of people?

>>18259960
>Exxon at 21
in the mid 90s?

>>18259972
tru

>>18259975
>Mid 90's
Thats where we are headin!

>>18259844
I don't get why we shouldn't take an incremental approach. We put people back to work based on risk.

Least risk: Young, no health issues and you don't live with any at riskers
Most: You're a half way in the grave boomer and you have asthma or some shit.

Are we on a comfy crab or the edge of the next cliff when rents start going unpaid?

>>18259959
it will probably reverse, peak at +1-2% and end -2-3%

How green are you guys thinking Friday will be? I think we hit 260 again.

>>18259856
because most of the economic damage done by the plague is done by the shutdown.
>>18259890
i support the shutdown. i think saving lives is worth more than some shortterm economic gains. i wish our shutdown was stricter. but, when we inevitably abandon the shutdown, the stock market will surge
>>18259906
itll kill 3% not 30%, u dumbass
3% is still unspeakably horrible, but dont pretend a third of the world is going to die. it delegitimizes your argument
>>18259959
maybe this will save my Disney puts
one can only pray

>>18258753
For confirmed kills.

>>18258869
reminds me of guy selling covered calls on AMD until it went up to $50 one night kek

>>18260011
Judging by Australia markets we are in for the most uneventful Friday in the past month. A literal nothing day.

EOD will be within 1% up or down

>3M CEO on N95 Masks: ‘Demand Exceeds Our Production Capacity’
Bullish

>>18260001
those were good times....
If only we could go back...
remember the times when no one cared about China?

>>18260026
>itll kill 3% not 30%, u dumbass
READ NIGGER, ICU I C U ICU.

I'm shorting VIX until April 10. After that I believe VIX will accelerate again.

>>18260064
Based on what evidence do you believe average age people without a ventilator have about a 1 in 3 chance of death

>>18260064
not even 30% need ventilators? idk where you got the 30% figure from.
i think you read 30% of cases required hospitalizations. but that isnt the same thing as saying 30% are guaranteed to die. half of the time, these fuckers in the hospital just need fluids and bedrest

>>18259960
No, I shorted the intraday WTI spike through USO puts because it was obvious Trump was lying.

>>18259170
>making idiots sell so he can profit

BREAKING NEWS : TRUMP CONFIRMED TO HAVE TESTED POSITIVE FOR CORONA VIRUS

BREAKING NEWS : TRUMP CONFIRMED TO HAVE TESTED POSITIVE FOR CORONA VIRUS

BREAKING NEWS : TRUMP CONFIRMED TO HAVE TESTED POSITIVE FOR CORONA VIRUS

>>18260083
>>18260078
You guys are thinking in terms of just virus deaths, but if the hospital system collapses, there will be millions in excess morbidity from other causes (unattended heart attacks, strokes, etc)

New York already issued an order that if a patient can't be resuscitated with CPR, don't bother bringing them to hospital.

>>18260062
There was a deliberate pivot in the 90s from Mexico to China. Why does no one remember this?

>>18260105
OMG I totally believe you, so I'm gonna long literally everything, as this is the most bullish piece of news we've ever heard!

>>18260105
>and look at all the source URLs im posting

>>18259972

I was making the point that a lot of people are going to die anyway. You are right though regarding obesity (but smoking in Italy is a little more widespread, though probably not enough to counteract the US' obesity when Italy is quite healthy on that front)

>>18260113
If we assume you have to be 25 to care at all about geopolitics, you'd have to be almost 50 to remember the Soviet Union collapse

>>18260078
>>18260083
I said 20-30%. This has been known for a long time, read the bugmen 100 studies. There is a reason the world governments are sacrificing their economies you brain-dead niggers, and it's because the alternative is far worse.

>>18259514
If you have to ask...

>>18260047

Don't be so sure, market's down 2.5% all of a sudden

>>18259278

>>18260022
Snib snib anon nothing day really just crab for most of the day unless DONNY goes rouge again and lies on Twitter again fucking cucksucker I needed oil down to re buy the oil I sold

>>18260157
Oh fug thank god. Need to sell these short bags before the weekend in the clown market

>>18260109
30% of the population wont die in a year because hospitals are overwhelmed. the implication of what you're saying is that 1/3 of people have their lives saved at the hospital every year.
only a minuscule portion of the population has their life saved by a doctor in a given year.

>>18260140
Do you have a single fact to back that up?

>>18259640
way ahead of you bobro

>>18260174

I'm ecstatic, I'm only down $3800 on my BBOZ instead of $6000. Looks like bulls got too cocky

>>18260070
u know vix can spike really fast and you get fucking fucked

>>18260172
Yep. Down %2 tomorrow. Up %2 on Monday.

>>18260131
>I was making the point that a lot of people are going to die anyway.
Quarantines are not about reducing total cases but the case rate. The United States has also been hit because out hospitals are built for efficiency and so it is not hard to overwhelm them. The rate also dictates when you have supply shortages (not just ventilators) that result in more deaths - Italy literally had people dying in hallways - as well as snowball when the doctors themselves get sick. That further reduces the patient load they can deal with and you get even more deaths than if you had a lower rate (but same total).
The quarantines are mostly to slow down the number of people that can then give it to patients at risk. The alternative is to sequester the entire 60-70+ demographic of the United States for months otherwise.
More long term though we are fortunate that this disease does not seem to target the very young at appreciable rates (the 1918 flu did). What would be the answer there? Would it still be wise to weigh the economy over lives?
I think in the long term the entire healthcare system in the United States just got scared shitless by the possibility of serious outbreaks that Asia has been dealing with for a long time now (H1N1, Sars, MERS). I think that the reason there is this market cult is because both consumers and firms run on so much debt that they have no savings to pay bills even 2 months out. That might be a real culture change.

>>18259668
No.

>>18260186
Just reading your posts lowers my iq. What happens with no quarentine? Everyone gets sick exponentially. Meaning that most of the world is sick within 6 months. Hospitals cannot support even 10% of the population. So those who can only survive with ICU, will now die instead. Losing 30-20% of your population is enough to tank any economy for years to come, far worse than any quarentine would do.

This is the last reply I will give you. If you still can't understand then be a dumb nigger.

>>18260205
How are oil futures looking? I went hard on shorting oil and i'm to scared to check at this point.

>>18260204
It's a limited downside option play with 5% of my capital. Will pay out bigly if correct.

>>18260194
READ THE STUDIES NIGGER.

>>18260202
Top kek iktf friend.

>>18260225
based schizo retard

Is REFR a meme?

>>18260026
>most of the economic damage done by the plague is done by the shutdown
can you imagine how much damage will be done to the economy without a functioning healthcare system? do you appreciate how much of a force multiplier healthcare is?

giving up on quarantine means overwhelmed hospitals
that in turn means dramatically reduced survival rates for *all* hospital visits, not just corona ones.
that translates to hundreds of thousands of preventable american deaths per year (not counting corona) until it can be recovered.
to get the healthcare system to recover you quarantine. so that has to happen anyway.

>>18260225
>Still saying 20-30% mortality without ICU despite the tens of thousands of cases where people went home and slept it off
>Ending quarantine just leads to everyone getting it no matter how long it's been even though it's already made its way through many people at this point
Were you the retard last night telling us if a vaccine doesn't come in six months we should pack in humanity

>>18260255
Stocks are a meme.

FUCK
It was getting so close to beautiful sub 400 usd

>>18260226
Down 5% since market close. You might just be able to sell your SCO bags afterall.

>>18260140
>if you have symptoms, the government tells you to self-isolate
>self-isolate when death rate is 20-30% without ICU

The death rate is 0.2% if you're under 40.

>>18260239
I see zero studies in your post. "Bugmen 100" isn't APA format

>>18260265
>52 week range
Prime meme stock, even outside of an economic meltdown

I need futures to be way more red ._.

>>18260140
Yeah. If you're old as fuck or diabetic. Jesus Christ your dumb. If you want to quote some paper atleast read it properly first.

>>18260265
>>18260281
it's gonna moon for no fucking reason at all to 800+ again. soon. like maybe even next week or two

>>18260255
>REFR
Lol

>>18260265
>Yield
>N/A

judging by these rookie numbers
_____ absolutely is not priced in

>>18260226
You'll find out before market opens since any "deals" would happen during US night time. I'm expecting an opening pump followed by EOD dump.

*coof*

>>18260271
You self isolate until you have heavy symptoms and are ready to die retard. The death rate might be 0.2% for under 40, but that's with ICU and medical care. Because the hospitals are not overflowing with millions of sick people. Just think nigger, I know you haven't done that once in your life but just think

>>18260281
>>18260291
>>18260295
this picture describes Tesla

>>18260209 No, there is no virus.
Competition of usury by lie (capitalism) requires to be psychoanalytical cruel other ways you will loose. You already payed tax ones believing that those money go for to serve public life.
Your tax money go to a gang of free masons Jewish fraternity In a form of selling to you nothing burgers. Trump write billions of dollars
to his criminal partners in the name of National Crisis.
Worst what can happen is nothing, because you can not take tax payers money for nothing.

>>18260311
>If you have symptoms of a heart attack, then self-isolate
>If you have heavy symptoms, call 911.

>>18260304
h-he's fast...

>>18260318
Nice post retard. This was all you could think of?

>>18260318
i'm on your side but all of these brainlet images/wojaks/etc absolutely out you as a huge fucking newfag just fyi

>>18260269
>>18260303
You know what, I think i'm going /cash/ after this. The last 2 months have been far to stressful. I can easily handle 5% swings but this is starting to affect my mental. Thanks anons.

>>18260304
the Feds last coof

>>18260026
>maybe this will save my Disney puts
Let me guess? 80$ for 4/17?

How the fuck did this happen

>>18260346
happened to some of my LULU puts as well. Wonder if it's just a Robinhood visual bug.

>>18260346
Line go up.... sell selll selll

>>18259149
I haven't been here in a few weeks, but wasn't there a guy shilling it 10x a thread a while back? Dude probably also got corona and will make it his life's mission to end china

>>18260349
>>18260349
new
>>18260349
>>18260349

>>18258945
The dumpster fire is called drumpf

>>18260033
I remember that guy, he used to boast every thread about how he was just printing money.....then he blew up. Moral of the story is that there is no free lunch.

Is SPHD even worth holding or should I just dump this and find a better DIVY? I DCA'd down to my current POS and will probably continue DCA'ing but it's getting to the point that its eating up my cash id rather use on other stocks trying to chase it. It's my only underperformer lately.

>>18260225
i feel like you're missing the point im making, which is that 20-30% is wrong. i agree that hospitals will be overwhelmed. more people will die. probably around 3-4% of the population.
but your figure is incorrect. it's based on the number of people hospitalized, which doesn't mean "number of people who will die without hospitalization." you've misunderstood that number

Why the fuck doesn't robinhood have a public api?

>>18260352
What you said seems most likely. This app is only good for joke investing in meme stocks and retarded shots in the dark with options.

pink.wojak

>>18260334
Shouldnt be so greedy anon, how much did you peak in SCO? You had about 10 minutes to sell at huge profit before they became bags. Bird in hand will save your blood pressure.

Just don't be like me. I sold SCO for profit, then went all in smallcap shorts thinking there would be an EOD selloff

>>18260332
>wojaks
I am new to /biz/ but where did I post a wojak?

Cash will be fine for now, but once this calms down I am shorting the shit out of the dollar, long term.
It's not the amount of money the fed prints but rather the velocity of money. And once people realize they can go outside and consume and countries realize their currency hasn't collapsed the rug will be pulled out from underneath the USD suddenly. If it's sustained and significant then the fed may be forced to raise rates, but I fear Jerome is too much of a pussyfooted lacky of the White House to do this. Maybe I'm wrong, and he'll pull a Paul Volcker after people thought they markets are safe. Either way, the dollar will do some interesting things in the next 2 years.

>>18260334
do you have the source for this reaction image? i do. the third frame is even cuter

>>18260339
ahahhahaha worse
$82 for 4/3
im fucked
i couldve sold at a profit twice in the last week, but i held for reasons i cant understand

>>18260401
Post it desu

>>18260382
bro i hope you're just baiting me rn kek

>>18260376
>betting against the mouse

>>18260396
Just watch every other country do it also. Even with a weak dollar, every economy is about to be battered down as fuck. I guess you can try gold or something, but I have a lot lower confidence in gold nowadays.

>>18260406
You got greedy, always take the profit

>>18258864
why? Because you lack awareness about what actually serves life and makes more wonderful then it is?
Spend time with children teaching them how to relate to each other and cooperate for common
interest and how to keep friendship sacred.

No you put your fat ass in to car, drive to location, $35 for parking over $100 beer and
snacks and then You pay hundreds of dollars for ticket to people who provide service by playing ball while you eating junk food and drink beer.
It does not make your life healthy better or improved some how. You buy nothing happen event same goes with corona virus, if you believe.

>>18258997
is this your asshole?

=O)

>>18260381
i bought in a few weeks ago at the exact spot it is now, 26.28. I can still make a gain by selling it at open. Put 60% of my liquidity in it too. I got far to greedy. Could have made about a 3000 profit at the peak before trump came in.

>>18260401
Sorry anon, no idea

>>18259288
Maybe in those weird ass lifts he’s always wearing, making him lean forward like a fucking retard

>>18259404

You are an imbecile lmao.

As long as deaths start to occur in your neighborhood in her hundreds you will see the impact lmao

I've been reading for days and I dont understand options.

So if you think stock go up, you buy a call.
If you think it go down, you buy a put.

Buying a call lets you sell 100 shares for X price by X date. But how is that different from jut buying 100 shares and setting a limit sell?

How do you make money off a put if you have 100 shares of a stock thats going down?

Please help

>>18260564
You don't exercise the option. You sell it for a profit. You're just buying an option, waiting for it to become worth more, and selling it. Most options go unexercised because it takes big bucks to exercise, say, 100 options of SPY (100*100*current price of 250ish = 2.5million to exercise all those options).
What you are making money off is called the premium. How much the option is worth. If you bought 1 option (100 contracts) at 1 dollar per contract, and sold it at 2 dollars per contract, you just made double your money. As an options trader, that's all you're looking for.

is this /our/ next bitcoin?
https://www.globalxetfs.com/

>>18260564
Its not hard. Calls are normal stock transactions.

Buying a call lets you buy 100 shares for the strike price at the date of expiration if its in the money. If a you bought a contract on BA for 100 dollars and on the date of expiration its 140, you're in the money and you can buy 100 shares of BA at 100 dollars instead of 140.

Buying a put lets you sell short 100 shares for the strike at the date of exipiration if its in the money. If you bought a contract for BA with a strike price of 100 and on the date of expiration it ends at 80, you get to sell the 100 stocks to the writer of the option at 100 dollars even if the price is 80.

In practice though you don't usually excise the contract unless you have the money to do so. Most people just gamble with the premium that is charged for the option, which is affected by the greeks (Delta, Theta, Gamma, Vega), IV and sometimes other ones like Rho.

>>18260667
>the reddit etf

>>18260627
so you trade options because you don't have enough capital for the trades you want in and out of for profit.
Good explanation this was helpful to me as well.

>>18260002
because young people are pretty effective at carrying the virus without showing symptoms. They're eventually going to come into contact with an old person and unknowingly give it to them.

>>18260002
you you do that just send everyone back to work because it will be the effective of doing nothing.

>>18259303
Show her who's boss anon