/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>18229124
Is that really Trump? What is he doing in that pic?

>>18229397
No, I own and live in a 5-bed

i'm renting because i live with a gf, but i think we'll be breaking up soon. maybe i'll try van life after, seems comfy

>>18229424
Ok, Coofer.

>>18229397
based, comfy\
cost estimate on that?

doesnt get more comfy than emptying the shit bucket and reusing it to shower.


Also, I cant get my posts to be green, plz halp?

>>18229397
Most on here live with their parents

>living in a van down by the river

no thx bro, i like to get laid

>>18229672
coof

>>18229707
coof?

That van is parked by a children's playground and there is a high powered camera on the table. This is confirmed a /biz/ posters vehicle. Fbi notified.

>>18229637
10k

>>18229397
>working from a laptop with a glaring screen
>no room to move
>no room to stand
>doing dishes
>shower that makes you wanna suicide

>normies think this looks great

>>18229397
lol dude just live without running water, electricity or waste disposal LOL

>>18229929
That's a tap in the picture and solar panels are on the roof

Van life is overrated and has many hidden costs

>>18229397

Yes, and my tenants better pay up or they are getting pulled from my units and coofed on.

>>18229735
kek

>>18229424
Get out you sick nerd

>>18229892
>>18229929
>HOW CAN YOU LIVE WITHOUT A HOT SHOWER EVERY DAY
>WHERE WILL YOU THROW ALL YOUR COKE CANS AND FOOD WRAPPERS HAHA
Van life may be romanticized but let's not pretend you aren't such a massive fucking pussy and pathetic excuse for a male that you would be able to handle an extended period of time away from your creature comforts. This is expected of NEET's existing in a virtual skinner's box of internet, games, and porn.

Anons pretend to be privy to some kind of inner reality but the truth is you would dissociate from reality to cope if you actually had to live without the internet for an extended period of time, while being outside for the majority of the day - and *gasp* not having a comfy bed in an A/C'd room with a giant bathroom and infinite hot-water, plus tendies in the fridge. Wagecagies and commuters are cucked, but you NEET's are literally just the other side of the same coin. You are just as terrified of freedom and the truth of the world as fucking wagies, you run on dopamine feedback hamster wheels in parallel worlds while mocking each other - for the most part being unaware that both you and your counterparts have been reduced to underlings who live in fear of losing the comforts of modern life.

Freedom isn't a skinner's box with instant and constant dopamine rewards on demand 24/7/365. Just saying. You are not enlightened for being a critic on 4chan, ask yourself if you are really going to live out your entire life not knowing what it is like to actually be a human on this earth without the fucking noise?

>>18229672
get coofed, bro
here

nope i live with my mom and dad super comfy(no i hate it)

fags

>tfw living with grandparents
>actually put me in their will to inherit the house
>parents are fucking livid furious with me
>they dont get shit after they mistreated me and my grandparents

>>18229672
>>18229717
coof?

>>18230682
This actually makes me really happy. Cheers anon!

>>18230634
My dad beat the reality out of me

>>18229397
no highspeed fiber optic internet connection, thats pajeet tier...

>>18230682
Same. Going to lose mine this year though. Corona.

>>18229397
yes and cooking bat soup for my frens

>>18230634
>I put myself in uncomfortable positions just so i can feel superior over others

k

>>18230634
holy shit are you ok??

>>18230778
You can live your life beholden to what wrongs you have endured or rise above it. No one can make that choice but you. Pain in the short term beat pain in the long term.
>>18231048
Implying this isn't about internet addicted ratbrains trying to flex on people who live untethered?
>>18231067
Doing great anon. Being honest with yourself is better than picking the most convenient delusion. Wouldn't talk if I hadn't experienced both sides of this. Modern humans by and large live in a permanently entranced state to a technological egregore and have forgotten entirely what life feels like without the digital matrix. Some of them even think being a sequestered hermit staring at a screen 12 hours a day is "based".

Im immune lmao

>>18229397
Van lifestyle is the saddest thing I've seen americans doing, especially when they're whites.
Imagine your ancestors came and built the most prosperous country ever from scratch and 6 generations later their children live like bottom tier gypsies because they can't even afford a house.

What the fuck went so wrong?

>>18231209
Our ancestors got too comfy which is why we are now desperate for an exit even it that means living in a van temporarily. We aren't talking about van life opposed to fucking homesteading, get real none of you faggots are on your own land and know jackshit about farming. This is about van life v.s. being a neet/wage cagie in a renter's world with no power over your environment.

>>18231200
>ratbrains
I really like this

>>18231444
oh fuck oh shit who the fuck coofed on me it wasn't supposed to be like this

>>18230634
Based

>>18231200
>egregore
I like this

>>18231209
Imagine being so afraid of breaking social convention that you subject yourself to ruin by renting

>>18229637
a piece of shit van alone will cost $25k

>>18229397
What I'm doing is more akin to squatting than renting

>>18230179
This, especially when H suddenly becomes scarce in your area

>>18230682
absolutely epictarily megasophisticilitacilly BASED

just gotta say it, usury is the reason our economy is so screwed up

SO MANY GREEN IN THIS THREAD

WE"RE ALL GOING TO MAKE IT BOYS

>>18232972
Side effects don't appear in one day fagtron

>>18229397
How do I into van life? where can you park?

>>18229995
> t.never tried to live off solar panels
gas yourself you pro-homeless shill

Accounting for depreciation, maintenance, financing and other recurring costs it's not that much cheaper than renting or a mortgage but it also has a lot more inconveniences. I lived in a trailer for 2 years, only because my work was in the middle of nowhere.

>>18233099
I typically park it in your mother

fags

>>18229467
Depreciating asset, seems comfy

>>18233413
hehe

>>18233313
I suggest you either listen to some music or go for a walk in nature away from the city, and don't worry so much about what other people may or may not think. you're in your head too much

>>18229397
Coof coof commie

>>18233680
Oooof, what's that lmao

>>18233660
SHIT

>>18233413
haha where can you park a van though?

>>18233758
Long term? No where. You keep moving from parks, campgrounds, neighborhoods and big box parking lots.

DESU

>>18229397
You aren’t showing are you?

>>18232581
not really. you can find used ford e150s for around $5k. you just have to look. also if you don't mind sacrificing some space to save money you can find minivans for even less.

>>18229397
The moment tweakers find out where you park you are fucked. I would have cameras setup and a windowless van if I were to go that route

>>18230634
Based. Wish I could van it up for a year or 2, but I have a family. If I ever make it, I'll quit my jerb and rent a RV for awhile.

>>18229397
when I lived in Ottawa, I rented. salary was about 85k. i got to have a full house to myself for $1600 including heat and electric. a comparable house would have costed far more even with a good down payment (which I didn't have because I put most of my extra cash into 100oz silver bars). it made sense to rent then.

when i relocated, i bought a house on rented land. they have arrangements here where people rent tracts of land in groups (yearly rent is about 800USD) and own the house on top of them.

my place is 3 bedroom, solid foundation, loaded with solar panels, about 2x as big and a bit nicer than the pic i attached. I no longer work and am currently slowly living off my savings.

Under both circumstances, I lived within my means. Neither time did it involve taking out a mortgage or "owning" the land I was sitting on.

If things change, I may invest in a tract of land to perform a valuable farming task. I can't see owning a lot of land as a valuable long term plan unless I can monetise it, taxes have no real ceiling and government bureaucrats will shackle you any way they can.

t. cozy silverbug femanon

I have a duplex and rent out the upstairs for extra income, I would like to do van living if I ever decide to fuck off one day and just collect rent from both units,Maybe buy a plot of land and set up some hookups for electric and water. Nowhere I really want to drive to though.

>>18230634
Holy based

I lived with my parents for the majority of my 20's

guess how well I turned out

>got van, setup solar and a good roof vent
>got more than enough power for everything I use, can run everything full tilt overnight and only hit 70% of reserves before sun comes back up
>just working on getting the final details setup, and get all my shit moved into the van
>father comes to visit, spent a few months in a volkswagon van when he was younger, convinced it must be the exact same today
>YOU'LL NEED TO STOP NON-STOP TO GET ICE IF YOU WANT ANYTHING COLD!
>Point out my minifridge, offer a drink
>tries to plug a fucking arc welder into my inverter, it shuts down naturally since it's not rated to run a fucking arc welder
>YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH POWER, YOU WILL FREEZE TO DEATH SINCE YOU CAN'T RUN A HEATER
>reset system, turn on heater
>BUT IT WILL GET STUFFY AND UNCOMFORTABLE IN HERE SINCE SMALL ENCLOSED AREA
>open roof vent, turn it's fan on
He left still ranting that I wasted thousands of dollars on a decent quality used van when I could have hunted down a beater for two grand and spent all my money on constant repairs. This is why I have savings, and he's nearing 70 and still living paycheck to paycheck.

Of course I am. I already flipped the foreclosure I bought in 2009 for 110% gain 2 years ago, saw the writing on the wall, and decided to rent until the next collapse, so I can buy your foreclosed property you paid 8x more than its fair value for pennies on the dollar, just like I did in 2009.

But you're a zoomer or 20something millenial that has only known bull markets. Hopefully you'll learn.

>tfw high paying job and own place
>Gf
>Only hobby is lifting

Every day I fantasize about going back to my gamer/weed/porn lifestyle

I don't know if I made the right choice being """succesful""" maybe being a coomer is all you need

>>18238434
I often get the same existential dread. Wanting to have a girl and money, when I can live on peanuts while having games and internet.
But when I live the life of games and idleness, i want the life of women and money.
Some people will never be content.

Currently living in pic related 26 foot travel trailer with my wife, dog, and cats. You have 30 seconds to explain why you aren't doing this
>faggot neighbors? Just move
>local job market shits itself? Just move
>low rent with free water, power, sewage, garbage disposal
>don't want to pay rent? Stay at any state or national park for free
>even min wagies can afford, pic related only $15k
>everything built to be easily accessed or replaced, no pros needed unless you're a total retard
I wouldn't trade this beauty for a fucking mansion. I'm living the dream boys

>>18238844
constant depreciation, poor long term construction durability, constantly moving and finding new works = no benefits like health insurance/401k/etc + probably shit tier wage slave jobs.

>>18238743
Fucking north bay scum. Only affordable places up there are in that trailer park near San Rafael. Not that anywhere else is much better, my place in Alameda was 2k/mo but it was a 1 and my salary was largely based on cost of living.

>>18229397
where do i shit?

>constant depreciation
If I stay in this trailer for 10 years and paid $15k that's $125 per month. Rent is essentially optional depending on what kind of immediate comforts I want. Even at the $480/mo I pay for a spot at a campground it's less than rent would be and thus depreciation is negligible. 10 years from now I could burn my trailer to the ground and be better off than the vast majority of wagies anyway without giving up any modern comforts in the process.

>construction durability
Doesn't matter given last point. Plus I'm not a retard and can fix any of the trivial things that go wrong

>work
I work online, doesn't matter to me. I'll give you that one though, for most people the work situation would suck.

>>18238844
Checked and nomadpilled
How much do you pay in lot fees a month?
I bought a 26 ft travel trailer used for 4 grand, parket it behind an apartment building im rehabbing. Super cheap other than running the baseboard heaters during winter. Have it hidden from the street and piped into plumbing from the building, so cant really travel anywhere. Definitely could not deal with less space than this, and i have a seperate office in my warehouse.

>>18229397
Because I own a house

It can be good, not so much now with the Chinese virus thing. People are just cremating since funeral homes are limited to 10 people in most places. People are still going to die after this nothing burger blows over so it won't hurt to do some research and put a plan together. It's a comfy job. Not much people being assholes haggling, 'don't you think they would deserve the best'? Bankers hours, no worries about clothes, white shirt and black suit every day, tip-top comfy. Go in cahoots with some flower places in exchange for referrals. Respectable job and really not that difficult. I was a preacher's kid so I've been to plenty of funerals, came damn near close to funerary services. Good for autists because you just follow the sad/respectful script, not much deviation or adlib when interacting with customers. Chose nursing instead for the flexibility, but sometimes think that may have been a mistake.

>>18229397
That's my dream. When I finally make it I'm just gonna buy a sprinter and travel around in it until I get bored or killed in my sleep by some tweaker at a walmart parking lot

>>18229397
buy a pre-2000s school bus instead, the thing is built like a tank, we just renovated ours and will be moving into it in a couple of days. Costs almost nothing, if you're lazy you can buy some half finished builds for a couple thousand, but in auctions in particular you can easily get some for a couple hundred to a thousand dollars.

I'm not renting

>>18239725
Do you really think he gives a shit about the traits his kids will have?

>>18239754
if you don't believe me in regards to quality just watch school bus derbies, they can roll and recover without issue.

>>18230634

living in a van is still relying on the comforts of the modern world, idiot. go live in a shelter you built yourself in the woods while only eating food you killed or harvested yourself if you really believe in what you wrote. camping in a van while having access to supermarkets, gyms, healthcare, isn't so different than renting an apartment with all the above. you're just less cucked to the (((landlords))).

>>18230634
Great fucking post my based brother. If this post bothers you in any way or if you disagree in any way, you are on some level, if not completely, a slave.

>>18230778
Well at least we know you’re not black lol

>>18229397
ok that looks fucking comfy

>>18239960
>NY times
If this normie is your fren then I suggest you get some new frens.

>>18229397
Based skateboard bro
Pick up some CKB so we can use the profits and build a skatepark together.

>>18231200
Cool

>>18239835
You are literally retarded. I can’t even finish this post you are so cucked and cowardly and failed and a pathological quitter. I’m glad you suffer you faggot bitch

>>18240002
>get some new friends
I really dont have any. She is my moms sister.
Sometimes it is hard having nobody to communicate with. I did recently order a MAGA hat.
So now i will have even less friends.
I am considering writing a book, but would anyone read it?
>i only eat fruit seeds and nuts
>fast 16 hours a day
> No alcohol
>love weed and shrooms
>read the bible daily
>learned about chainlink in my dreams 1 week after ICO AND WENT ALL IN.
> i realized in the last 2 years i dont exist
I am only a product of my environment. The child my parents raised.
>i died in that moment.
> i beg god for forgiveness every day because i can no longer live this lie. I can no longer go to work and blend in.
>i cannot go back

>>18230634
Wrong

>>18229397
Well I tell ya:
I'm certainly not living in a trailer.

>>18238844
During the winter the pipes in this freezes where I live due to it being in a colder climate. Which means it's not viable where I live.

But I have a lakeside cottage.
So everything else pales in comparison.

>>18238288
lol

>>18229397
Nope, and I’m not living in a van either.
>>18229424
This

>>18229397
Looks fun for a weekend maybe. But not being able to stretch your legs would get old fast. And that shit only works in Cali. It's too rainy, cold or hot everywhere else

>>18230634
Lot of truth in this one

Yes, but I'm paying my parents and it's $200 for the sole purpose of utilities and it was my idea

>>18230634
Unfathomably based

>>18230634
Baby wipes and a gym membership solve most problems with van life

Where do you pee pee and poo poo though?

>>18229397
I cant believe how fucking kiked our society is that living in a van like a gypsy rat is now considered a viable option. Fuck boomers so fucking much. I hope corona kills everyone over 60

>>18230634
>internet
what is a cellphone or wireless internet
>A/C
cars come with A/C
You can shit in public bathrooms or use the same toilet that you get in RV's.
>hot water
hot water can be created using electricity you harvest yourself.
You can live pretty comfortably if you have a good size battery pack.
>fridge
mini fridges exist.

>>18229397

>oven inside of a tiny van

You are going to melt or die

>no climate control
>prioritizing private mobility
He's over there, officer

Doesn't /vanlife/ (at least city vanlife) revolve heavily around having a gym membership for showers?
gym's closed

Only thing im renting is a mining rig
And im mining Zano now bishhhhes

>>18230634
That's a cute deranged loner rant you got going there.

I spend less than 3k euro per year for a humble small apartment + expenses. No AC and limited hot water. But me and my gf are both Devs so the salary is great and we can often work from home. (I'm "working" right now) Live in a small city with lots of cultural events, the surrounding areas are mostly small villages or nature, the ocean is a 30 minutes drive away at most. Pretty confy.

Enjoy shitting in a bucket tho.

>>18229735
Loool, pedo OP btfo!

>>18230634
He cute

>>18243686
>me and my gf (male)

>>18229397
Why do NPCs use chrome on a Mac?

>>18243686
why are you criticizing him if you essentially live the same lifestyle?

I have diagnosed autism amd get rent assistance in Australia NSW Sydney and my rent is $37 a week with rent assistance included and a $570 AUD per fortnight payments from social services, I have a studio apartment 2nd story, living the dream all my courses I'm going to soon are all free and fully subisidized all the way from Tafe to University and also I have a disability provider but not only that i also have a discount pension card for all public service fees including registration and other essential shit from hospital, AND a $9000 aud payment incoming after a bank statement assessment but wait also I'm 19 just 2 days ago and every normies my age is still living with their parents or grandparents wageslaving playing the hamster wheel to bullshit "Productivity and Money" even though that is a complete waste of time, I'm getting an extended lease soon of 10 years at $38 dollars a week on public housing in a decent area.
Planning to start a business in 3 to 5 years. Lol

>>18244073
I don't know. Pseudo intellectuals are very annoying. Also this >>18239835

And what's the point of living so frugally if you're not saving to buy more bitcoin? It's retarded. Unless he does, in which case mad I've got nothing but respect.

>>18244057
I wish. Unfortunately I was born straight and will never enjoy that nagging-free heaven.

>>18230634
9 billion iq

>>18245522
Cringy as fuck. I doubt anyone even read all that, samefag.

>>18230682
h-hello, b-based d-d-department?

>>18232551
Cope vancel

>>18229397
People never consider the weight when building these vans. At this point you finally see some vloggers admitting that metal furniture in a van is retarded, we are slowly getting there.

>>18230634
>I'm just like..so above it all maaaaannnnn
Absolute cope

>>18229672
>He's too poor to afford a second bucket

>>18230682

>>18229397
Yep. I rent a 2br for 2300 a month with my wife and kid. Its based