/biz/ - Business & Finance

Fuck off, we're full.

>>18204988
Ai will replace code fags

don't you already know how to code, bro?

>>18205021
is it worth to learn building Ai?

>>18205021
>automating automation at 100% will be a closed happening with no impact on the rest of the economy whatsoever

kek

>>18204988
Absolutely. Every industry is in desperate need of stream-lining. You don't even have to learn that many languages, just teaching yourself how to make a website that is easy to use, and develop scheduling script, and you are basically already an "essential employee".

No lol

>>18205036
No, how long does it take to learn it? Mr Perfect

>>18204988
It sure is, ranjeet.
Especially since you people are happy to work for less than a twentieth of what a western graduate would charge. Just work a bit more on your english.

>>18205099
yee

I make about $150k after 3 years experience as a programmer. I live in Texas and have no state income tax. I'm working from home without any disruption thanks to corona-chan.

It's a pretty good job, desu

>>18205135
>Absolutely. Every industry is in desperate need of stream-lining. You don't even have to learn that many languages, just teaching yourself how to make a website that is easy to use, and develop scheduling script, and you are basically already an "essential employee".
How did you learn it?

>>18205094
idk

>>18205135
what coding languages to you know and what is your primary code used for work

>>18205167
I mostly work with Java, but also use typescript, python, bash, and a few other things in the day-to-day. I work in the back-office of a FAANG writing software to integrate and transform ERP (Oracle, SAP, etc) data.

>>18205202
But are you a gold medalist?

>>18205229
Almost all of my coworkers are pajeets, but it definitely helps to have some solid programming skills; most of the pajeets seem to be more focused on the business process and domain knowledge side of things.

>>18205202
what the fuck is java used for?
what would be best to go all in and master java or python or what is best for remote work in demand

I like C#.

Really enjoy desktop application development but that's more of a niche market. Everyone wants web developers, web developers, web developers.

>>18205313
Java is used for everything; people even used to write front-end code in java, but that has fallen out of favor; so if you're writing web apps you'd at least want to learn javascript too.

In the two companies I've worked for, we didn't really care what language you learned when interviewing. Java and Python are both fine for a backend language. Python is nice for data science/ machine learning/ finance though.

>>18204988
No unless you're seriously intelligent (140+ IQ) and dedicated to a special in-demand field. If you're not you're just gonna end up a code monkey or a system brainlet surrounded by either retarded girls who only got hired due to "equality", competitive narcissists who think they're geniuses but if there weren't midwits they'd actually be out there in R&D on serious projects, and of course there are always the anime-watching pedophiles. And that's just the people you'll be surrounded, as for the work itself you can earn more while putting a LOT less effort just picking a different normal job, there are way too many people looking to get in and the work culture is an absolute nightmare.

>>18205347

Same.

>>18205399
what do you recommend learning between java and python

>>18205541
By my subjective experience, I think Java is good because there are lots of jobs, and you are forced into the kind of structured programming you'll find in an established company. It's also very similar to >>18205347
C# and most other object-oriented languages so most of that knowledge carries over.

But I also agree with /g/ that you'll probably learn how to be a computer scientist the most from going through SICP, and the most recent version of that book and the MIT course uses Python.

>>18205347
Stay the fuck away from web dev and front end shit unless you want to be a low wage code monkey for the rest of your life. It's so easy to get pigeon holed into that tech and it's hard to get out.

>>18204988

It can’t hurt. I’m a security engineer and I was able to increase my yearly income from $200k to $300k just by picking up python.

>>18205756
If I want to get into security what certs should I get? Are you on-call 24/7 if something goes wrong?

>>18205728
What do you mean low wage? Full stack devs easily earn 6 figures, the real problem is that the job is relatively insecure and soul-destroying.

>>18205645
what is SICP and the MIT course
where do i learn these things?

>>18204988
Only if you are a landlord

Im currently learning python. My manager gave me a few small projects that I'm adding into our framework once I'm done. Finished one so far. Even if this doesn't go anywhere, it's fun

>>18205151
lynda

>>18205927
SICP is the Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs; it was the introductory computer science textbook at MIT for ~30 years. You can find a free copy online (https://mitpress.mit.edu/sites/default/files/sicp/index.html).). It uses a dialect of LISP called Scheme, which almost no one uses in real jobs, but it's an excellent textbook and a /g/ meme. MIT's new introductory course uses python (https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/introduction-computation-and-programming-using-python-second-edition, https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-computer-science-and-programming-7).).

>>18204988
Suck some cocks and fill your cv with pretentious shit, much better than learning a hard skill.

>>18205920
Full stack, maybe, but that's rare and it entirely depends on what and how complex the back end of the project is. But at that point you're doing proper development just with front end added as an extra responsibility. Most web devs are just pajeets/hipsters who just align boxes and tables on a webpage with fancy animations using the latest bloated js gui framework.

>>18206072
SICP is for java?
Confused where do I start. The MIT SICP or the MIT course for python.

>>18205135
i make 25$ after 2 years,
am europoor

>>18206151
I have never found an introductory Java textbook that I like, but Effective Java by Joshua Bloch is the gold standard intermediate text.

>>18206151
I'd say start with python, as it's very easy to get into. Read the SICP book only after you've gotten a basic hang of programming.

>>18204988

Fuck that zoomer shit.
Learn something electrical engineering like.
Coding is basically THE subject for fking incel nerd hentai weebs.
Once you enjoy that hemisphere your lost buddy.
Dont do it.
80% of coders larp that they understand something because actually they have no fking clue of what the fuck they are doing.
I had it in electric engineering study at school for 1 year. I basically hated it because you are basically writing something that the computer should understand but the computer is like a fking nothing you have to teach what u actually want from it. Imagine a blank wall and writing some shit on it and that wall suddenly begins to do the math in the background.
Totaly not worth the effort at all in that directory imho.
Just work something invest in stonks right now is the best chance and retire with 40.
Still possible but biz still gets shilled by some pajeets about crypto.
Dont touch crypto.

>>18206120
Web api dev here. I agree, I work for a massive company and all the ui scripts are written by pajeets. Our api/data storage is mostly white men though. We get paid dramatically more.

>>18205645
I'm considering picking up a new backend lang. What do you think of Go?

>>18206210
what do i read/buy to learn python
any free online resources?
udemy?

>>18205021
Yeah but after its replaced everyone else

>>18204988
I liked coding for the first 4 years I did it professionally. But amount of crap code and buggy shit I had to deal with over and over killed my passion.
Now it's just another job, and it's fine: a lot of money and not so much effort.

>>18205021

Who writes the AI code anon

>>18206309
Go is gaining adoption at my company as "C for idiots". Better performance than Java on average without as many pitfalls as C/C++.

>>18205021

Pretty based.
Fck those coding nerdies

>>18206406
Pretty much what I can understand. Sounds like it's going to replace a lot of Java code in the years to come, no?

>>18206328
Check out the ressources here: https://guide.freecodecamp.org/python/

Also:
https://github.com/jerry-git/learn-python3
http://projectpython.net/chapter00/
https://pythonpedia.com/

>>18206550
Yeah it seems possible.

>>18206221
>invest in stocks during a recession in which you could lose literally all your money you put into stocks.
Nice one retard.

>>18206328
NSA Python tutorial
https://archive.org/details/comp3321/page/n89/mode/2up/search/device

I got a bachelors in coding from a respected university and I didn't get a job because my soft skills suck

Was it worth it? Yes, coding is pretty interesting and creating things will make you feel accomplished. But if you want to get a job it'll take a lot more than just learning to code

Disregard all I said if you know someone in the industry who can get you a job

>>18206920

50% of career navigation is your interviewing skills and affability. People really do value how "enjoyable" you're going to be to work with.

>>18205021
cope

>>18204988
I have mixed feelings about this.
For one you have literal thirdworlders with Laptops 15 years old costing $25 and Internet Access for $5 the month that are in in theory on the same playing field with a bay area living 6figures making dev on a $5k MacBook Pro. And with education being free to the genius ones/ dedicated ones are being rewarded. With the internet being accessible to anyone in the same way everything profitable ''loophole'' of any sort gets priced in quick. It is a double edges sword, in the same way you can theoretically endlessly scale your business thanks to the internet and the same time half of the worlds population is online all of them are technically your competitors that could replicate you.

Use the physical environment around you to look ventures. Because there are not 3.5 billion people in your near location that can profit off something.
TLDR you can probably make more money starting a landscaping business to get a contract with your local state gov to maintain streets and parks for example because the competitors are little. Decent amount of business owners are more than paper millionaires owning their lives to the bank

>>18205845

On-call depends on the team, size, rotation schedule, etc.

Certainly: Everything associate level for AWS, network+, security+, CISSP, CEH and you should be good to go to make an easy $100k is without very much experience.

Btw I’m 5 years of experience with a total yearly compensation of $300k

>>18204988
It's worth building skills indeed. In the end the only thing that's stopping you is your incompetence. Change that

>>18204988
It's actually too time consuming, you'll never really get any shit worth shit done. Learn UX if you want to be useful (to others), but learn to code if you want to be an autistic neet.

>>18204988
You have to be actually good if you wanna get in at this point and you want to make real money in a timely manner.
Pajeets and Eastern-Europeans are lining up at UpWork and other freelance sites, by now you really have to put something down on the table for companies to pay a premium for your western, lazy, whiny ass.
I'd say just help out on some simple projects on GitHub or some shit in the beginning and just learn along the way. Things are very different when you are getting paid actual money.

>>18207763
network+ kek. did you got this list of a quora post ? if you want something network related get CCENT. comptia is mostly a joke

>>18206267
>Web api dev
So, you believe in Chainlink? What do we need to learn to use it, them APIs and shet

>>18204988
I went from being an alcoholic loser making 20k a year flipping burgers to an alcoholic loser making 60k. I also got hired right away and can drink from the comforts of my home.

I learned C# but work a lot in JS, kinda prefer the latter

>spoon feeding all these retards
learning a language from absolutely 0 is pretty hard ad requires a lot of motivation. can't help the feeling that anyone stupid enough to come here asking for programming advice and being unable to google simple as fuck acronyms isnt gonna make it

>>18208163
>kinda prefer the latter
based tbqh

>>18206568
What then?

>>18206395
Ai
>>18205056
Codefags love strawmans

is it worth to learn coding?

>>18208181

That's what I love about this field. You have to be able to actually do it. All of the normies looking for a free ride get screened out early.

>>18206853

>InVeSt ReCeSSiON LOoooSSSingggg Alllll Niceee one ReTaRD

That can only come from one whos entire family and ancestors were a huge pussy and faggot ass sissypussies allwhole.
My Dad is also such a Pussy "nooo stonkssss nooooo you could lose all your money oh noooo""

Give me a break , i can save again the same amount if i want to so no problem. Fking Boi puccies

>>18206853

We see each other in 10yrs faggot , and we will see who buys whom boipucci. Cunt.

>>18208322
Retards love coping.

i'm learning now through revature. ill let you know in a month.

Not OP, but what about webdev?
How much time should I invest to git gud?

>>18204995
/thread

>>18205021
Bruh. As it stands, automation i s creating more work than it removes.
You just end up with a differently (more) skilled workforce, who know the process and how to code

>>18205021
this will never happen unless robots gain consciousness

>>18204988
languages change every 3 years, they make you work long hours its not clock in clock out job, barriers to entry are low anyone can learn it

only do it if you wanna code on your own or want to work from home. otherwise go to school to become a nurse a doctor or something that cant be outsourced

t. software engineer

>>18205936
Why you say?
I'm a landlord and learned to code.
What's the connection?

>>18206221
Why learn electrical engineering though?
Just for appreciation?

>>18213267
it's a meme. keep up newfag

>>18207234
I wish

San Frantards first question when applying for any *remote* job:

>Where are you based right now?

Actual easy to get freelance jobs are pay pennies.

I graduated from an ivy league university studying abroad, did pretty well, live in third world.

Can't find shit, they won't even let you finish a sentence if you're not allowed to work in the US.

>>18205081
REALLY?
NOT OP, BUT IM BASICALLY A RETARD AND I THINK EVEN I COULD DO THIS

>>18205094
About three fifty

>>18207763
Do you need an IT background to get started? Currently a mech eng

No, don't become a programmer, employ them
They are tools and the 99.9% only exist under the direction of their creative superiors

>>18204988
>coding kneepads
yes

>>18204988
Not unless you have connections that can get you a good job someplace. Or you're already rich and can work for free at your own tech startup. If you don't have at least one of these two things, DO NOT DO IT!

>>18204988
just stay away from webdev (anything js and rust related) and you will be fine
otherwise you will find yourself surrounded by trannys and basedboys at some point
I'm unironically dead serious

>>18215920
fucking basedboys, nig

>>18215111
Not everyone can sell shit like Steve Jobs anon, if you want a job where you take 4 hours to do 1 hour tasks and go home and play video games/whatever gay shit normies do in their free time. Go code.

>>18215935
s o y b o y s

>>18211620
>As it stands, automation i s creating more work than it removes.


A machine that does the work of 10 assembly men on a factory floor is creating more jobs ??

>>18215920

Web development (especially full-stack JS, Wordpress, etc...) really is full of dykes, faggots, trannies, dudebros, and a lot worse.

I honestly enjoy full-stack JS and blockchain coding (Solidity), but after going to a Meetup for JS developers, I quickly realized I was surrounded by trash.

My plan is to leverage my coding skills into a career in security via reverse engineering. Web development and mobile development though, yeah...

Nigger Shit.

>>18204988

"learning to code" is very vague
you should want to do something, like build an application, game

if you just try to learn a programming language you will probably get bored and discouraged
programming without substance is very boring, I first learned C++ because of game hacking
Then I learned more about other languages during university, like C#, Python

>>18205135
do you work for a company? or just find your own work online?

>>18208163
This is not in the USA, is it?

>>18205202
You have a degree or no?

>>18216134
>blockchain coding

https://github.com/P1xt/p1xt-guides

just do that, build some gaynigger projects for your portfolio, and by the time coronavirus dies down youll have a meme codemonkey job

>>18217404
Changed devices. I got a degree from WGU (an online University in the states) which helped me get a contract position as an engineer at my previous job where I worked for 3 years. I'm currently pursuing a Master's in Computer Science part time also online.

>>18216196
Where is a good place to start if I want to make a smart contract that automatically pays out whenever a chainlink oracle sees a based and redpilled post that has also rolled trips or better?

>>18204988
Not anymore. Medecine is where it's at.

>>18214070

It helps

>>18217648
I've spent time coding and learning CS, not quite to jr dev level. I wonder if not having a degree will hold me back, either for raises or getting a job period. Are you in ATX?

>>18218533
How do you contract this disease?

>>18218533
Fuck that, unless you have a family to take care of you should make the switch. Even if it means losing income for years, it's worth it if you plan to keep working for 15 to 20 more years.

>>18205728
What to learn instead then?

>>18220835
Heh, nothing personal sickfag.

>>18205399
>Java and Python are both fine for a backend language
>backend
You fucking curry nigger

>>18205021
If code can write itself we've got bigger problems than automation

>>18208390
This.