/biz/ - Business & Finance

Is it really all up from here

Up or down?

only long on titties

First for my bear hole is being fucking rekt and I dont see how this shit can keep pumping.

>Thank you for reminding me why I'm short to begin with. To bet against nothingburger fags like you. Nothing is fine, china lied, our current situation is the new normal before a vaccine can be developed. IF a vaccine can be developed.

Things are not fine. I actually wish you were right, we go back to normal life in 3 months and my puts expire worthless, but I just don't see that happening. This is way bigger than 9/11. The biggest tragedy in a generarion. Do you not understand that things will never go back to the wqy they were before? China lied. There is no vaccine, there is no cure and the second wave is likely to happen. Why are you so optimistic?

Again, I want you to be right. If my puts expire worthless and we go back to normal life in a month I'm going to be happy. But I don't think that is going to happen.

>>18203428
Anime is for faggots dude.

Buy great divie stocks while you still can

My hands are getting weak Bobros...

I wish I had more money to buy more airline shares

>>18203428
>bought PBT
>stock goes up after announcing dividend

Are there any bears left or have you all k'd ys?

Noob here. Question to bulls: isnt this a perfect reversal pattern? I want to buy this market but I'm not sure.

Would you buy this dip? Is this bullish?

Is this a vshaped recovery?

What happened to the 1,000 point daily swings?

pitfags are gonna make it

>>18203450
okay, based

I WANT TO SEE FUCKING RED!

now a good time to buy and hold USO? I want to profit off the eventual oil rebound but dont wanna risk picking individual stocks and dont wanna fuck with the leveraged ETFs.

>>18203452
Fellow Oil bro how dod you do. Whats your take on XOM's yield and cashflow/debt situation? Have some positions but thinking about dumping that position and putting it on my other oil plays.

>>18203452
>actually thinking oil stocks have safe dividends

Bull trap reason: "It's just because of this NOTHINGBURGER FLU that the fundamentals are so bad"
Bull trap pop: The fundamentals were bad even before this

>>18203428
FIRST FOR FUCK 3DPD, ANIME !!!

There is no possible scenario where you can argue that we're NOT in a bull market. If you're shorting or selling then you're wilfully giving away money.

WHAT IS THIS ECONOMY

F will drop like a rock just before trading closes, it will open tomorrow even worse. You have been warned.

>>18203475

>>18203439
Yup, you missed the cheapies. Jerome doesn't want it lower every day that passes he raises the price.

>>18203467
I'm buying in right now because it's still way below previous. If it goes down more, I'm throwing more money into it

The US response to 9/11 is proof that the american public are complete sheep. Invaded the wrong countries, purely for israel's benefit. Osama was nothing more than fucking criminal, all we needed to do was find out where he was and waste him. Trillions upon trillions wasted for no benefit to any american but dick cheney

>>18203442
the curve is flattening because we shut down the economy you fucking moron. there's no way to revive the economy AND keep the curve below the required threshold.

Surely this oil bullshit can’t go on forever...? Right...?

>>18203467
Just hold up until US starts having thousands of Corona'd per day. Even Trump admitted 100k dead is optimistic scenario.

>>18203450
you'll regret it bullfag

>>18203463
You're betting on bailouts?

>>18203466
I'm only shorting cryptos. I have no faith in it's value, especially not after it proved to be just as influenced by the market shitting (but not reverse)

is there a way to do derivatives of ETFs

>>18203449
anyone else seeing this descending triangle forming on AMD's 1m chart tho? once it cracks through VWAP look out below

>>18203489
do bears really think fundamentals have anything to do with this?

>800k infections worldwide
holy fucking shit

>>18203508
so you're saying cases are about to explode in china again?
is that what you're saying?

fucking dump already for gods sake

>>18203508
Curve is flattening because US is running out of test capacity.

Proof: case positivity rate is skyrocketing in the US and number of tests hasn't grown during the past days.

>>18203482
What game is Putin playing?

>>18203516
HAHAHAHA so there's a bearfag still in the thread? You should get out quick before we hit 2700 and rocket up

>>18203510
>Surely this oil bullshit can’t go on forever...? Right...?
And dont call me shirley!
yes, yes it can; and will.

>>18203466
Today has been a great day for me as the great portfolio rebalancing picks up end of Q1. I'm buying shit at half price and at discounts I didn't even think I'd see.

if bears a clueless to why stocks are going up "when they should be going down"

Its because over the weekend Fauci confirmed that his maximum estimate of deaths was 200,000 a much lower number than was originally priced in.

Even if Fauci is lying his statement increased market sentiment, thus the green days.

So enough of the "CLOWN MARKET" posting or "WHAT IS THIS ECONOMY" etc, because "priced in" isnt a meme you fucking twits

>>18203535
Fed decides

>>18203537
Priced in and bullish.

>>18203539
no? wtf? and before you say some retarded shit thinking you've epically owned me you're a dumb monkey if you believe any of the numbers coming out of china

Why should the stock boys care about unemployment? They won't get affected. They have huge accounts worth millions. To them this is just a game. Consequences unimportant to them. They move the market, not the poor, not the workers, not the middle class. Not even the small companies.

>>18203439
People rioting over hospital bed shortages and 30% unemployment haven't been priced in. Affirmative action beneficiaries are going to run through that $1200 in a day stocking up on mentholated cigarettes and henny.

>>18203526
Options

>>18203542
Do you have good analysis on that? I've seen something simmiliar happening in Italy.

>>18203537
no one cares. 99% of those people will have no symptoms or get a mild cold. the other 1% die from it, even though they were already going to die a week later anyway. literally no one cares. priced in

>>18203555
wasted trips

>TRUMP CALLS FOR 2 TRILLION INFRASTRUCTURE PACKAGE IN NEXT RELIEF BILL
Holy fucking shit. We're going to be rich bulls

>>18203549
a bit euphoric i would say...

>>18203537
>.0100234615385% of the total global population
holy fucking shit

>>18203542
I think both are true, but testing capacity is way more important

>>18203561
the stock market does not measure the number of deaths. your reasoning is foolish. 0 deaths is still incredibly bearish if you shut down the whole economy to achieve it.

>>18203541
Hey! I can see the strings
Dali confirmed HACK

I'm so fucking sick and tired of bears whining and complaining constantly "b-but line should go down!!!!!!"
Look, the bottom line is the fundamentals of this economy are strong, and with 0% interest rates, they're about to get a whole lot stronger. Yes, the 30% drop was significant but it was based entirely on over-sensationalization from the media. The president has handled this whole debacle exceptionally well, and people are calming back down knowing that we will be back up and running by May, June at the latest. China too is already almost completely back to work. People have begun to realize that this whole thing is huge nothingburger, and that we'll be fine in the long run.

People know the future is going to be okay, (hell, the current situation is fine already...) and THAT is why the markets are going up.

History has shown that now is the time to buy. And with several very big green days on the books, we finally have some stability. Unfortunately if you're not already in you've missed the bottom, but it's not too late. If you jump in now you can still make some huge returns. Not as big as if you'd bought last week, but... well, it's either that or lose everything. Your choice.

>>18203469
Congrats. It's looking that way. As they say, my only regret is I didn't buy more

Accumulate REFR cheapies

>>18203589
You forgot the part where Jerome pumps it to new highs and resets the graph

>>18203503 >>18203512
I mean the pattern in the picture here >>18203467

It's a foreign etf. The question is, do you agree that it looks bullish?

>>18203597
>copypasta
Check out my 5, which is more real than your portfolio

Idk about selling. Am expecting more drops come Fridays unemployment report. If number are just as high or higher the market may not be able to stay propped up. If big banks pull out, the other banks won't want to be the one's left bagholding.

>>18203586
That's sure going to burn a lot of oil!

>>18203489
I agree that fundamentals and expected earnings for Q2 have no relation to today's prices.
But look at it this way. Casinos are closed. Adventure sports are closed. It's either this or online poker to get your fix.

Everyone is quarantined, and many are buying on expectations of a market recovery by end of year. They're not wrong, but they are early. Scalp the swings and sell it back into the fomo market.

>>18203460
What's your average buyin?

tomorrow is international clown day aka april 1st. i hope the market does something meme-worthy. maybe it'll moon to reinforce that we're really living in clown world

>>18203537
>>18203591
>>18203582

i still can't tell whether to side with the doomers or the nothingburgers. both sides make such compelling cases.

>>18203605
You mean when the Fed decides to hyperinflate the US into a much worse depression? Priced in nigger

>>18203597
Tl;dr Now i just want it to drop to spite you.

>>18203613
Just reposting for those who didn't see it. Stay delusional, kid.

Trump is going to go down in history as the next FDR

>>18203616
will require a lot of asphalt too.

and what is asphalt made from?

>>18203561
The CFR isn't what matters, it's the lockdown period and consumer sentiment. After yesterday, I now know more people who are furloughed or unemployed than I do people who are working. And with the extension of social distancing, and some states such as Virginia extending lockdowns into June, the future is looking increasingly grim. This market is absolutely insane compared to reality.

Look at this promotion and tell me the economy is okay.

>>18203636
Attempting another 5 get

>>18203494
>There is no possible scenario where you can argue that we're NOT in a bull market. If you're shorting or selling then you're wilfully giving away money.
I'm short puts. Does that count?

>>18203571
>china is lying
what about south korea
what about japan
what about italy
what about france
what about germany
what about spain
just fucking look at the curves at 30 days. is EVERYONE lying?

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/infection-trajectory-flattening-the-covid19-curve/?fbclid=IwAR0dGeE_3bGSrSZgbY-zShuL25Feg8LkksT515qbUYPEzFec4W53YQgdiZM

not a single one of these represents ongoing exponential growth

>>18203622
probably will dump biblical and then pump the same again, truly clown world

>>18203518
There’s not a chance that airlines will go under.

This could be one of the most fucked days so far...

>AMD dropping below 48 support VWAP, on volume

IT'S DOOOMPINNNGGGG SELL SELL SELL

>>18203450 #
>>18203442 #
You don't understand. There is no cure. There is no vaccine. Before those are found the lockdown is the new normal. The deaths lag behind the infections. Tge entire US isn't even under lockdown right now. If tge entire us is put under curfew right now, infections will peak in two weeks, deaths in 5. But it doesn't matter, no one will be allowed outside before either

A. Literally EVERYONE is tested for antibodies (which is going to take a long time)

B. A vaccine can be found

what the FUCK is ZM doing

you were supposed to be the chosen one

>>18203474
It's boring now. Or you could call it the calm before the storm

>>18203570
401k contributions disappear, meaning less buying pressure outright. Consumer spending goes down, meaning earnings go down, meaning stonks go down.

(((Goldman))) Sachs has stopped trading on a cert since 8am, how is this legal?

>>18203630
>muh inflation
lmao
Imagine looking at INFINITE MONEY about to pump the markets and squealing about inflation while shorting
You're so fucking dumb hahahaha

>clown market

WE'RE GOING PAST 264 BULLBROS
BOBOS KEKED

Fuck this manipulated fed economy bullshit printing press.

Who the fuck is buying, it dumped enough this morning to put the fear back into the market and then what? A bunch if super confident investors come in and push it higher? Gtfoh. I dont know a single person confident in their financial future right now.

>>18203685
Uhhh

The fuck is this market today. Where are the moves. It's not even crabbing.

>>18203685
BASED BASED BASED BASED
290 EOD

Is picking up SVXY a good move rn? Seems we're going to be in crab mode for the foreseeable future.

>>18203679
People like you are one of the reasons for which I'm confident in my shorts

>rent is due tomorrow
>jobless claims the day after
>3000 american deaths by saturday(?)
>delivery workers striking

Is this already priced in?

I'm so fucking sick and tired of bulls whining and complaining constantly "b-but the line should go up!!!!!" Look, the bottom line is the fundamentals of this economy are weak, and with record jobless claims and corporate debt, they're about to get a whole lot weaker. Yes, the 20% rally was significant, but it was based entirely on retarded FOMO boomers. The president handled this debacle incredibly poorly, as he did basically nothing in February when he had plenty of time to prepare, and people are starting to realize just how badly our economy will be damaged by May, June at the latest. China, too, is completely lying about its numbers and laying people off in record numbers. People know that the future is grim, and THAT is why the markets are about to tank. History has shown 20% rallies like this in the great depression and the great recession, and we finally have some instability. Unfortunately your calls are about to get assfucked, but it's not too late to buy puts if you jump in now for some huge returns. Your choice.

>>18203675
the secretary of state is a GS employee

newfag here, are restaurant shares any good at this time? most are at lows due to pandemic, surely once stores reopen this shit goes up right? short term loss more than likely but over time could re-up.

>>18203555
checked. based bvll

>>18203685
God damn I really sold my SPY calls too early

>>18203466
Close to kms. I’m still up like 120% but the future not looking real anymore

>>18203507
I agree on the invading the wrong countries part but understand no normal American has any control over who the government invades. And the Iraq thing was because George Bush senior was beefing with Saddam and junior decided to settle the score once and for all. That's all it was. Everything else was parallel construction. Sickening

>>18203706
Yes, including your post

>>18203638
Rocks?

I just watched her porn.
You know whose.
And at the very last second as I reached orgasm I realized one profound thing,

>>18203691
I've been long since last Monday I'm very confident actually

>>18203679
Yes Lmao, Venezuelan stock market was skyrocketing before the collapse of the currency

>>18203705
Confident in them all the way to liqudation

how much longer can this clown market be propped up before it collapses

>>18203591
what % of people actually infected have been tested do you think

>>18203586
STEEL
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>>18203691
Fed likely selling stocks to themselves. Ironic how its not considered money laundering.

>>18203648
What about all of those countries? Do you think they've not taken a massive economic hit? The United States is poised to fare even worse than all of them. The current level of growth is irrelevant if we have to stop the economy to achieve it. You're acting like this level of viral growth will remain constant if we open things up again, which is utterly foolish.

>>18203730
?

>>18203706
Yes.

>>18203537
>>18203691
As Barry Ritholtz said on a BB Radio interview today, there has never been a bottom put in after an "all clear" signal. In other words, every historical bottom has been put in while bad news is still coming out. The question is: are we closer to the end of the crises than we are to the beginning? The market looks like we are further than halfway. I will post a link to the interview when it is up.

>>18203452
aye

>>18203469
this is clearly not a screenshot wtf

Making bank off Boeing and oil, can't believe people weren't buying Boeing at $89

>>18203732
Can you tell me if I should buy this dip in picture? >>18203467

>>18203744
Look at that dip fellow bulls, lots of upside from here!

its going down. its probably just the faggot crab snibbing and snabbing

>>18203739
see you in a week faggot

>>18203658
Everyone already got it. It only gets 5% of infected sick at all, and only killed old people with lung and heart issues.
This will be done in a month, and WORST CASE it'll free up real estate and crash medical prices because no old dementia patients to set money on fire for.

>>18203736
Yeah bro no doubt the US Dollar is going to collapse
Hahahahahah

>>18203760
That that's a man I just came to a dude getting fucked.
My life is over.

>>18203732
So if this drops 5 bucks today, you're not gonna start feeling the heat?

>>18203764
Man, I wish I hadn't lose my bear money getting fucked last week. I'd have a lot more money to buy these guys.

>>18203778
nice argument dipshit

>>18203749
Not sure. I'd imagine quite a few people are infected with this incredibly minor illness and aren't being tested at all because they feel bad for a couple days then they go back to their life.

>bears are getting so desperate that their last hope is that the world reserve currency collapses at the start of a new 10 year bull market

>>18203648
You still don't get it. Nobod can go out before we have widespread anti body testes, you collossal retard. Even if The new infection rate dropped to zero today we would still have a massive problem.

Incubation time is 14 days, lockdowns only slowly curb the spread. Deaths lag behind infections by 14 days too. In otger words, deaths will peak 8 weeks after tglhe total lockdown. As far as I understand, parts of the US are still somewhat open. You have no idea what is comming.

Also your source stinks. Johns Hopkins or bust. Were still exponential. But like I said, the virus is not eradicated and before we can test for antibodies letting anyone outside is manslaughter.

I've known about this virus since janurary, you fucking denialist. Maybe I shorted the bottom because of infinite brrrrrrr, but holy shit man open your eyes. The world is burning.

What if it’s really as fucking simple as lose March and April money = 2/12 =.166% how far down is market? 16.6 percent LUL

Why is it not crashing bros?

>>18203767
you havent made anything until you sell

>new 10 year bull market
>40% unemployment

>>18203774
By then you'll be busy sending out lots of resumes to the local fast food joints to make back your entire portfolio

>>18203776
You don't know that without antibody tests.

Should I buy in

>>18203806
>bulls are getting so desperate to have a generational buying opportunity that they think the longest bull run in history is going to go on another 10 years because market crashes just dont happen anymore, man

SQQQ is never breaking deep into the 20s again isn't it?

>>18203763
Except we've been told to stay in our homes for another month and to expect 200k+ deaths in the next 2 months and we have no idea when this peaks or when people will start spending their money again even after it's all over.

>>18203776
It kills young people too you fucking moron. 0.1 CFR for young people is still the biggest school shooting in history if EVERYONE gets infected. Plenty of young people end up in the ICU, you fucking CCP shill. What is this, feburary?

>>18203851
I warned you stinky bobos

But really like is this just a game until tomorrow? I honestly dont feel like a recovery is happening already

>>18203851
bruh I just want it to hit $21 and I'll be happy

anime posters need to go back

>>18203833
the unemployment is priced in, up is the only direction from here

>>18203561

I know more people that are laid off/fired than I know who are working. The economy is at a fucking DEADLOCK and the earnings reports of everyone except grocery stores is going to be completely in the shitter.

40 percent unemployment is "bullish" as long as the fed keeps artificially pumping. They will run out of capacity.

>>18203870
go back where, to an anime website like 4chan?

>>18203847
That's right, they don't happen when the Fed can and IS pumping 2 trillion (soon to be 4 with the next bill then 6 with the infrastructure bill) into the market

>>18203648
If you had to choose to fit a curve to this data, would you choose a line or an exponential function or what?

>>18203638
niggers?

>>18203812
k dude. hole up in your basement. stay safe. maybe in a year or so you can come out in full hazmat gear and ask if jean shorts are in fashion yet

>>18203730
I accidentally this post

>>18203586
Is this because The Norwegian University of Science and Technology made fun of them?

Here we go

>>18203874
Off the cliff edge and upwards we go

>>18203706
Yes and only a handful of niggers are striking. Their positions will be filled by tomorrow by people who aren’t getting unemployment.>>18203710

>>18203507
Yeh trust me when I say I know, 15 months of being reminded. Fuck israel and fuck iran

>>18203884
Is government debt just a meme at this point? If not, what happens when this is over?

>>18203884
>we're not even through with the first 2T and already half way recovered
we are so fucking lucky

>>18203885
do you really not see the downward curve or are you fucking with me

>>18203534
>still clinging to technicals in this retarded clown market in Clownville, USA.

>>18203730
You're gay? Pic not related

>>18203910

Yeah... they probably thought they were timing this well given the circumstances. But there's also like 20 million unemployed people right now who are going to jump right in lmao.

>>18203833
its ok anon, everyones going back to work at easter anyway

>>18203884
do you have any models that suggest this or are you just assuming

Thank you Donald, very cool!

>>18203628
Nothing burger fags have been getting BTFO since Janurary. Doesn't mean my Puts will print, but still.

>>18203637
Fat dumb retard? He's already gone down in history as that

>>18203885
sigmoid

>>18203885
If you regress against a cumulative value you'll get artificially inflated R^2 values. You need to regress against daily counts, which have plateaued for the last 5 days or do.

We've hit the logistic part of the curve.

snib snab

>>18203939
Yes, the bull market that started weeks ago and continues to ramp up

>>18203870
how do I short Louisana

>>18203885
It's dropping off and because it's exponential it will go flat faster with every day.

>>18203589
>a bit euphoric i would say..
Yes, you were quite cocky, bobros. Euphoric even
> It kills young people too you fucking moron
You do realize this is a psy-op to get millennials and Sooners to stop bitching as your future buying power is getting siphoned away by JPow and the fed printer. You do realize this right? Right?

>>18203901
>these seething americans made an article about it
https://www.foxnews.com/world/norwegian-university-us-coronavirus-travel-guidance
Oh lord what a goldmine
Also note the date on many of these comments

>>18203885
log

>>18203964
you know this happened in 08 and 29 as well, right? by the way what you said is not a model

>>18203901
R E N T F R E E

>>18203979
show and explain the 08 chart.

>>18203877
>I know more people that are laid off/fired than I know who are working

Don't be friends with a bunch of people who work pointless jobs?

If your job actually matters you are still working, thats a fact. The only people who got laid off, work useless jobs that really arent needed.

>>18203993
Lighten up at the bants lad.

>>18203885
nice fake news logarithmic chart you dumb niggerfaggot

>>18203586
Well, since the printing is now unlimited they might aswell go all-out

Oh I'm feeling it now Mr. Krabs.

when a company is bought up by another company what happens to my shares in that company that is being bought

>>18203714
i'd rather bet on casinos and hotels desu

>>18203913
>Is government debt just a meme at this point? If not, what happens when this is over?
Seriously, can someone explain what the downsides are of this? Or are they going to get away with completely avoiding a market crash from the economy shutting down just with made up money?

>>18203885
Is this Italy's?

>>18203957
They've plateued because USA, especially NY is running out of test capacity. Case positivity rate has skyrocketed during the past 2 weeks.

>>18203901
quarterly reminder that Norway's socialist utopia is going to be crashing down if crude remains under $25 a barrel

>>18203862
It is, next week it will be so high that even if it crabs for months it will do so at -10% from ATH and that like October levels.

>>18203859
Common flu kills young people too retard. We don't shut down the world for that

>>18203975
lmao
Amerilards sucking seething

>>18203648
This.
The dirty, lying kike who started (((muh exponential modeling fears))) admitted he was wrong.
Just like when he was wrong about hoof and mouth
Just like when he was wrong about swine flu
Just like when he was wrong about ebola

>>18203940
>inherits the market
>creates an unbelievable boom for 4 years
>crashes it just before his reelection so all those new zoomers get a chance to buy in cheap
>proceeds to boom 4 years more
Name one 1 better stock market president

>>18204014
You have to inform the new owner within 7 work days or your shares are void.

>>18203776
How were you symptoms when you got infected?

>>18203901
>>>collective infrasturcture<<<
GEE I WONDER WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS

>>18203890
I unironically own a hazmat suit, bullfag. That's why I have an N95 mask and you dont. I have better PPE than nurses in NY right now. My puts could still expire worthless, but that's not the point. The fact that you are in denial about what is happening in the world is peak delusion.

>>18203491
Aqua best girl

>>18204006
>Lighten up at the bants lad.

>>18204031
Holy shit. If I had any fiat left I would triple down on puts after reading this post. You still don't get it.

>>18203999
>tfw engineer as a day job
>still working
>can do basically everything on the computer or by skyping with people for meetings, use IM and email, etc
>go in twice a week to a basically empty office building to mess with equipment, or i can have a tech do shit for me if it's something simple
>paid 6 figures

feels good having a career instead of a job. daytrading the /ES is just my side hustle because they're trading 24 hours a day so i can do it outside of business hours (can do it a lot more now in quarantine though of course lol)

>>18204021
>>18203913
the downside is you pay higher taxes because the government has to service the debt with interest payments. also the devaluation of the dollar leading to stagflation like in the 70's.

>>18204028
Every major country is ramping up oil production. They will have to capitalize if they want to survive in the near oil market

>>18204033

>>18204031
I guess you're wiser than all the world governments

>>18204054
Based. Which suit did you buy?

shiiiit look at what the courts did to AMRN

>>18203901
>looks up why norway is so rich
>oil
oooooooo i'm laffin

>>18204031
Its 4 to 30 times more deadly, with no cure, no vaccine and no herd immunity. Holy shit, you don't understand anything about this.

Woo where we at today?

>>18203450
I didn't read this but I'm sure you're a faggot

>>18203618
$22.60

well if this recent clusterfuck has taught me anything, it's that I cannot gamble at all. I'm too greedy to just take the money and go. No more crazy options for me. Just gonna buy the dip and wait for the money to roll in.

>coomsumer confidence index falls -120
>spy green

so priced in is actually fucking real

>>18204096
Some bright orange ones from 3M. And a Type 6200 half mask with changeable filters.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>18204053
It means being able to take a bus or taxi to an airport. Is this jewish socialism too? Or what are you implying?

>>18204105
>JAPAN ANNOUNCES PLANS FOR $500 BILLION STIMULUS PACKAGE

>decide to buy calls
>it just crabs there
why does god want to punish me? was it the porn?

>>18204079
Aren't interest rates at 0% now? And when they tried to raise it in the previous years it failed and they had to walk it back. Or is that a separate matter entirely? Don't hold back on calling me retarded if wanted anon.

>>18203628
>i still can't tell whether to side with the doomers or the nothingburgers. both sides make such compelling cases.

The things is the virus don't matter at this point. The lockdown alone has done enough damage

>>18204128
To be fair we're green by less than 5 points

>>18203999
>>18203999
>plenty of retarded grocery store workers still working
>niche tradeworker making 3 times what they make laid off because of mandated shutdown.
Ok retard.

>>18204025
Praise the Hitler Virus

>>18204075
No, you don't get it. The hysteria is what's causing the issue. People are going to get bored soon and want to go back to work regardless of whether that means a couple thousand more 80 year olds with HIV dying because natural selection. The moral of the story is never let hysterical women and faggots control the narrative even for a second. Undoing the damage from the hysteria has to be slow and tactful because people like you are retards

post smug crabs

These chart patterns look like crypto at this point. Itll crab here and push higher because that makes no fucking sense.

>>18204137
Japan is fine, unironically. They don't mask shame. Japs and Koreans handled this fine, europe less so, the us is a complete fuckup. Enjoy your PPE made out of bin bags.

>>18204140
Calvin was right. God elected the saved before you were even created. Those who lose money are just doomed to hell, that's all.

>>18204078
>feels good having a career instead of a job

Uuh, a job is part of a career, idiot. Some engineer you are.

>>18204162

do I all in buy now?

>>18204141
interest rates cannot be 0% forever. the reason why you are confused is because you have only known this warped, bizarro world hyper bubble economy and the insanity of modern monetary theory where people actually think you can just monetize debt indefinitely, but 20 years is basically nothing on a historical timeline, and that insanity is about to come to an end. you are about to see the problems with everything we've been doing in the coming years.

>>18204122
>well if this recent clusterfuck has taught me anything, it's that I cannot gamble at all. I'm too greedy to just take the money and go. No more crazy options for me. Just gonna buy the dip and wait for the money to roll in.
When you have misgivings consider this. There are a hell of a lot more millionaire dip buyers than millionaire options traders. wsb is great entertainment and yes some of them do get really lucky (lots of fakes too like wsbgod) but the vast majority lose their money. Dip buyers have been getting rich for hundreds of years. All you gotta do is not sell. That's it. Buy and don't sell. Big dips like right now are when you use leverage so if you wanna play options just buy SPY leaps. Best of both worlds.

>>18204013
How to short VIX?

>>18204095
it's flu x2, it matters, but it doesnt

>>18204147
Just wait until EOD. Green all the way up to 2900+

>>18204140
>Buying calls when VIX drops
I mean I generally would not by Calls when IV is that high but right now is the worst time. Crabbing AND dropping IV.

Its almost like you want to bleed money.

Is the recession priced in?

>>18204161
There is no hysteria, only denial from midwits like yourself. You are still in the denial phase, soon comes anger. Just wait for it, you slow adjusting faggot. Go choke on your normalcy bias.

>>18204162

THE VIRUS WILL NOT END UNTIL ALL OF HUMANITY MEETS IN 1 SPOT TO SO THAT EVERYONE GETS SICK AT THE SAME TIME AND EVERYONE BUILDS IMMUNITY AT THE SAME TIME

>>18204165
Jerome is replacing the toner and nobody knows what to do. Quit the kvetching and keep buying.

>>18204197
>there is no hysteria
you bought 20 stacks of toilet paper didn't you

>>18204196
even an eruption of yellowstone is priced in. we only go up.

>>18204185
long svxy or ziv

>>18204196
recession is bullish

>>18204208
I bought a respirator mask in late Janurary, you fucking retard.

>>18204150
no one really needs a niche tradworker to survive, it turns out.

>>18204197
Take a walk outside dude.

>>18204150
>niche tradeworker
>not a pointless job
>some one distributes food
>some how a pointless job

are you trying to disprove my point? Because you arent doing that

>>18203767
No one knew Jerome would pump this much money.

>>18204025
>>18203957

Case positivity rate in NY is 1.5*italy and 12*south korea lol. It is about 30% now.

>>18204095
100% yes. The government is ran by a bunch of incompetent retards.

>>18204105
Bitch there's no cure for the flu. And there's no accurate count for this disease. Anyone that dies right now and is coughing at the same time is counted in the death toll

>>18203957
We're at testing capacity, smooth brain

Why don't they just close the market and keep it closed until late May?

>>18203999

Hey shithead I was talking about the economy as a whole, not your faggot concept of how much your job matters. Absolutely no one gives a fuck about how important you think you are.

>>18204218
>be you
>contract AIDS and live in constant fear of any minor infection
>call somebody else a retard

>>18204172
a career makes a lot of money, a job makes a little money. a career is hard to replace, a job is something that anyone off the street could do, easily replaced. Skilled vs. skilless.

>>18204210
I like that chart hahahaha

>>18204197
The same people that rush to buy chicken sandwiches and watch a shitty tiger show on netflix isn't doing the same thing with this sickness? Gtfo. Social media is the cause for this whole thing

>>18204197
The guy you're responding to is actually right though. People will inevitably get tired of being on lock down and when they come out a bunch of old and already sick people might die sooner. Everybody else will just live with it. The hospitals getting overwhelmed while it may sound callous is a problem that solves itself. Face it, the virus has done its damage. You shoulda bought while you had the chance

>>18204221
That's the opposite of what youre supposed to do, retard. Go ahead, spread corona chan to your parents and do them in.

bought a few USO calls
2022-01-21 $6c USO, is that how you say it?
anyways what do yall think

>>18204221
I'm from Germany so I don't know about the US, but here people behave calm and follow the rules. No hysteria

>>18203769
That was just a little joke bulls, no need to ramp up to new highs now. h-hehe.

>>18204230
If cases are going down then testing capacity does not matter. Testing capacity would mean linear max cases.

>>18204245
That was some readjustment or split at the time when xiv died

>>18204078
I'm so envious of you fags who get to work from home.

t. airline pilot

>>18204182
>you are about to see the problems with everything we've been doing in the coming years.
So, it's going to be an adventure of sorts anon?

>>18204267
nobody said cases were going down
we're arguing that the growth rate is going down

>>18204191
I mean VIX is still fairly high t b h

>>18204100
I can't stop watching. I'm just waving goodbye to money

>>18203999
Indeed, fast food workers are one of the most essential jobs in our economy, truly a job that matters.

>>18203428
DAILY HIGHS
>DAILY HIGHS
DAILY HIGHS

WE'RE GONNA BREAK OUT OF THE 260 RANGE

>>18204227
There is a vaccine for the flu and the flu doesn't cause acute respiratory failure in health young adults. Alao heard imunity. You really don't understand anything aboit thia. This is not even about bagholding my puts, to hell with my position. You really don't seem to understand that this is the biggest health crisis in 100 years.

Im trying to get into daytrading and figured some strats that work but autistically watching the chart all day is just so boring how do people do this shit?

>>18204266
Hehe.

>>18204265
That's because Germans are cuckolds who know if they cause a ruckus they'll just get their asses kicked for the third time in roughly a century. You are a pathetically cowed beaten down people

>>18204286
I know. Thats why you should wait for the drop before you buy

>>18204264
Probably a good move.

I’m up $8 per share in TQQQ, should I pull out now? Don’t want to get fucked if we’re going to keep crabbing for the whole week

>>18204295
It gets less boring when you have more than one paycheck in play tourist

>>18204295
>autistically watching the chart all day
>boring
normalslime out

>>18204227
No, they are tested for antigens, you retars.

>>18204250
If only you knew

OHHHHH BOOOOOOBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>18204271
Maybe switch to piloting drones. You might can do that from home haha

>>18204300
We are not "Germans", "French" or "Belgians". We are muslim.
The people and culture you talk of is long dead.

ENOUGH!!!

Transited bear here

feels good m an

Holy shit bros we're gonna break the 260-70 resistance
YESSSSSSSSS

>>18204309
You're up 8 bucks??! SELL NOW YOU FOOL. Before you lose it all!
>>18204320
Touché

>>18204271
The USAF had an desperate pilot shortage for a while now, I wonder if that problem is going to last much longer.

everybody a bull now
gonna load up on SPXS desu

>>18204249
Moron. Either that or you're a CCP shill.
Without the lockdowns millions would die.

>>18204186
You too seem to be wiser than the world leaders

>>18204078
Based person whos job matters

>>18204150
>>18204241
>>18204290
Salty Joblets in Quarantine

>>18203749
Less than half, without a doubt

>>18204322
dubs again and bearbros mass suicide

I'm down pretty hard today, mostly because real estate is basically bear shit right now because of course it is

>THIS bullish son of a bitch is making money AND BASICALLY YOU ARE FUCKING STUPID

>>18204340
Every branch has pilot shortages, it will last as long as the airlines are paying more and we are at peacetime. Even with a short drop in airline activity it doesnt mean a guy is gonna reenlist for 2 more years or something.

>>18204303
woops, missed this: I think we are going to stay at these levels for a few weeks, doubt it's going to crash down in a straight line with all the uncertainty

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH WHO BET ON A 2000 POINT S & P


BO BEAR RETARD

>>18204354
I chose to quarantine. Comfy as fuck right now.

>>18204358
i would chock this up to nobody dying in car accidents since no one is driving atm

>>18204267

>Linear max cases

You would see small growth because tests are allocated to cases with worse symptoms.

And this is exactly what NYS governor told before.

And you could verify this by looking at case positivity rate. If it is increasing while number of cases is staying still, test capacity must be a bottleneck.

And this is exactly what happened in the NYS. Case positivity rate was about 13% 2.5 weeks ago. Now its +30%.

That's it, I'm selling all of my puts before I lose everything. I am financially ruined

only the first and last 30 minutes of trading matter. it just crabs the rest of the day. im going back to bed

Not so fast, mumu!

>>18204134
Collective vs individual is a balance. Too far either way gives you political extremes that most sane people don't want. They way they are saying that is that the more "collective infrastructure", the better everything is, when it really has to be balanced with people's personal livelihoods. Too little, and we don't have any social support at all. Too much and your personal needs become irrelevant.
As far as "poor infrastructure" is concerned, I can take the bus for free with a student ID. In a way, it's socialized because it's collectively funded, but it only supports those who are going to school/pay back into the state via education.
Healthcare does need to be reformed here, but a restructuring in how healthcare facilities are operated, funded, and staffed might have a more effective impact than just throwing money at it.

>>18204358
>>18204392
Quarantine unironically saving lives by stopping ACTUAL risk of death by attempting to stop something from which we have almost no risk of death.

>>18204265
Reporting in from Oklahoma. "Non-essential" businesses are closed, but public sentiment is just a bad flu season. I live close to a lake literally called Boomer Lake, and see 60-70 year olds jogging around it every day. Like pottery.

>>18204403
Pussy. Retest is possible. At least sell for break even.

>>18204432
I am financially ruined.

>>18204166
>They don't mask shame
Uhh, remember Fukushima? TEPCO lied through their teeth on that one.

next thread
>>18204445

It's going down after thursday right bros?

>>18204403
I am financially ruined

PUMP

>>18204446
How much did you lose? I'm down like 1500€ on my puts. Only three times my monthly rent. Ive seen worse.

Can some bull pro finally answer me. Is this pattern reversal or no?

>>18204432
>break even
he wouldnt be ruined if he could break even kek

>>18204267
New cases aren't going down, ~20k new per day for the last 4 days. The rate of increase has been declining, but this is an artifact of hitting testing capacity

I’m up 8%

>>18204449
I think anon meant shaming people for wearing masks.

>>18204464
Nobody knows! Now shut the fuck up. This is a clown world market. If you aren't smart enough to realize that, stay the fuck out. This ain't "Baby's First Market Playset."

>>18204416
Cfr 1 % * 4000000000 = 40000000

>>18204503
Ah yes, reading comprehension has failed me again.

>>18203913
government debt should be measured against GDP

>>18204416
We looked at the data
https://archive.is/756dB

>>18204562
It is for me and ive been profiting. I must be a natural at it. Buy stocks low, hold. Sell if it moons and rebuy or long hold. Its these indexes that are fucky.

>>18204593
I didn't get it either

Sentiment for close? its only crabbing now and at close there will be some action, but in which direction

>>18204445
>>18204445
WHY THE FUCK DOES NOBODY POST THE NEW THREAD

>>18204780
they did you dumb fucking shitskin

>>18203901
>all these mad mutts replying
My sides. The truth hurts, huh.