/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>164634
Qantas is also dying, but you don't hear us ausfags bitching about it.

>hurr muh gaymes!
No on cares. Let Sony die they're a deprecated industry.

shit company. get rekt weeaboos

>>164634
Eh, sony was always shit anyway. They sold because they were the "cool" brand, not because they're products are long-lasting or high quality. They're meant to not last.

No big deal, they haven't produced anything of value in years.

At least I still have my Trinitron.

>>164640
This shitposting Australian is correct, fuck Sony's nigger boy pussy

At least copy the OP of the old thread. Important shit you need to know over the next two posts

Sony is currently in break up talks with major investors, Third Point LLC, Daniel Loeb and Morgan Stanley.

Morgan Stanley is acting as the mediator for the dispute. We first heard the rumor about the current break up talks back in May.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-30/sony-said-to-work-with-morgan-stanley-citigroup-on-loeb-plan.html?source=email_rt_mc_body

Now it appears the break up talks are in full swing.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-09/sony-woes-seen-prelude-to-loeb-inspired-breakup-real-m-a.html

Vaio has been sold, AV is being spun off into it's own company (still fully funded by Sony, so a pointless endeavor if the point was to help SNE)

Entertainment division struggling again; Robocop is failing, Pompeii forecasts looking poor, ASM2 flopping or coming in below expectations could be the final nail.

Rumors that Amazon want to buy the Entertainment division, Apple showing interest as well and willing to start a proxy war over it if they can't get it. Loeb in panic mode, shoring up.

PlayStation 4 short term manufacturing likely to be affected by shortage and increase in price of GDDR5 RAM thanks to cryptocurrency boom

>>164768

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/18/dan-loebs-third-point-drops-out-of-sonys-top-10-biggest-holders/

Daniel Loeb may have either shuffled the Third Point stake to start a proxy war via investors or is quietly exiting. More likely the former. So expect things to get real nasty on next financial quarter regarding Sony Pictures.

http://variety.com/2014/biz/news/sony-chief-kazuo-hirai-im-not-entertaining-even-the-notion-of-selling-our-entertainment-assets-1201118888/

Hirai interview saying he's not selling off any entertainment assets and the restructuring plan is "Cut hours of cleaning crew. Hire more execs".

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/02/25/layoffs-hit-god-of-war-studio-sony-santa-monica

Sony Santa Monica studio has layoffs and an IP in production cancelled.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/industries/2014/02/26/sony-to-shutter-20-us-stores-cut-1k-jobs/

1,000 jobs of the forecast cuts are at Sony stores with 20 stores closing.

http://io9.com/sony-wants-to-release-a-spider-man-related-movie-every-1531004830

Sony Pictures wants to release a Spider-Man movie every year to try gain some profit.

http://japandailypress.com/sony-continues-to-lose-cash-will-sell-its-birthplace-property-2845039/

The birthplace of Sony is being sold for $147 million as part of restructuring.

Oh and After Earth picked up a few deserved Razzies. Sadly not best picture though.

Discuss. Cite Sources. Trash and report any >>>/v/ posting.

You know, just when I thought that Sony may try to improve themselves. Nah, they havnt tried to think ahead in a long time.

What does this mean for Playstation?

>>165156
SteamOS will make consoles obselote

>>164634
gb2>>>/v/, you little shit.

>>164949

Hirai was just put in because he was cheap and would just continue where Stringer left off. When it came down to big decisions, he just flung shit against the wall and hoped it would stick.

Hell, that mobile strategy is insane. More S5 Premium rumors are being stoked that they were always planning to announce it vs the HTC just before release and the Samsung and HTC are pretty much Jesus phones on the level of hype. The Z2 is an afterthought against those two (Despite the surge of early "B-But its not Samsung!" cries. That ain't gonna work twice) while Nokia snipes more of that mid-tier market that Sony could be dominating had they focused.

>>165156

Probably cost cutting like crazy to try bring the division margins up. They were aiming for the "Pot of gold At the end of the rainbow" strategy where licensing would pay off in two or three years. Their margin is poor and that strategy is dumb for a company that needs short term.

CEO's pet project though. So he's not going to let go of it that easy. Probably going to be a money pit for the next few years.

>>164634

So does this mean that Marvel will regain the rights to make Spooderman movies? Will we see Spiderman joining the Avengers?

Also, why is the spellcheck telling me Spiderman is wrong but that Spooderman is perfectly fine?

>>165180

>SteamOS
>anything but a pile of steaming shit

>>165201
But S5 is garbage phone

>>165215
So does this mean that Disney will regain the rights to make Spooderman movies? Will we see Spiderman joining the Avengers?

>ftfy

>>165221
GO BACK TO /V/ YOU PIECE OF SHIT

>>166215

That's not working this time. Especially if the Galaxy S5F rumor and Samsung may be set to undercut the Z2's price as well

http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/samsung-galaxy-s5-variant-with-metal-body-qhd-display-coming-in-may-report-489245

Again "It's not Samsung!". Not gonna work. Especially since Samsung probably have more money to spend than Sony's actually worth on advertising it.

>>164768
Oh quick question, is the GDDR5 RAM thing going to be an issue anymore after what happened to Bitcoin?

>>166832
No. Read more about mining, man.

What a terrible fucking thread.

No, Sony is not being broken up or going bankrupt. They are however in severe troubl unless they get the finger out.

>>166832
>>166941

The whole thing was based on demand for cards shooting up and spot pricing being incredibly high due to Apple buying and hoarding most of it for their macbooks and AMD/Nvidia still trying to fulfill demand.

GDDR 5 spot pricing will still be one of the multitude of problems they have.

>>166506
this guy is mad

How does Nintendo manage to keep being alive better than ANY company through the decades?
They just made a new building

>>167034

Run with little to no debt and keep clean without massive overspending which leads to great credit ratings that allow them to make investments like new buildings for developers.

>>164688
In the 1970s, 1980s, and up to 1996 or so, the Sony products were among the very best in quality. The high-end televisions were the best non-professional displays money could buy (professional monitors cost about $20,000 apiece.)

It's sad that Sony's management got caught up in the lock-up game and spent more time looking to screw their customers than develop products that would create new customers.

>>167034
They are good at managing their budgets and have great profit margins. They can churn out a "big budget" game that only needs less than half a million copies sold to turn a profit while other companies need millions of copies sold to break even.
They do not have debts because they rake in the dough with their games and keep plenty on hand just in case.

>>164634
>I almost wanted to cry
Why?

>>166832
Until demand drop-offs significantly and supply builds up, prices will be spotty.

Is it really that bad for Sony?

On a scale of 1 to 10 when 1 is certain doom, 5 is 50/50. 10 is certain success what are sony's chances of surviving?

>>167326
0/10

>>167328

Is it really that bad?

>>167326
2 or 3

The fact they are selling real-estate is a really bad sign.

>>164634
Why, from what I understand the ps4 is out selling WiiU and Xbox One. Can someone explain to me wha is going on with Sony?

>>167384

Every other division is in the toilet and Playstation has ultra slim margins.

The only electronic division doing well is their professional video cameras.

>>167367

That's bad man.

>>167397
I thought Sony did a split into Sony and Sony entertainment once with the playstation and the other into tvs, DVD players and shit. Shouldn't they have separate stocks going on?

>>167367

It's not that they are selling real estate. It's that their cost cutting is incredibly slapdash and a CEO thinking the solution is to throw more executives at problems and dump the lower level staff instead of re-organizing the company to be more efficient from top to bottom.

Seriously, they could stand an executive delousing at Pictures and Music to have more modern distribution friendly people in charge instead of the MPAA and RIAA captains they have there currently.

>>164640
>>164675

Sony is an historically relevant company, like it or not, especially for a generation that grow up with Walkman and Playstation.

>>167384
Sony is more than just Playstation, and even then Playstation isn't raking in the dough, its barely making any profits at all.
Sony's TV division hasn't made any money in years.
Nobody cares about Sony's phones, they don't sell, so they don't make money.
They just got rid of their PC/Laptop division.
Nobody buys digital cameras unless they are a professional anymore.
They have had several big Box Office Blunders.
Their CEO thinks that hiring more execs and firing lower-level staff will save them money and fix their problems.
He also gave himself a million dollar raise instead of cutting his pay to save the company's money.

>>167415
Its kind of funny that Sony's deep ties with the MPAA and RIAA made them not jump on the MP3 bandwagon when the iPod came out because "muh DRM." If Sony wasn't so involved with those organizations, they could have made billions and wouldn't be in the shit they are now.

>>167414

They have a split with the Insurance part as a separate IPO in Japan. Everything else is Sony Corp. A large investor wanted a split last year but was turned down.

Also interesting reading.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-25/sony-s-mall-cop-2-tax-credit-pitch-gives-view-of-movie-budget.html

Looking for tax credits in Nevada for Mall Cop 2. Pretty much "LOL Hollywood accounting". Also why would they need tax credits anyway? Also who the fuck is high enough to greenlight Mall Cop 2?

>>167451
If the first one made money, and the second one would be cheap to make, why not make another bad movie?

Stuff like Mall Cop is a better choice than shit like After Earth and Robocop 2014 as there is a higher profit margin and if it flops you won't lose that much money.

>>167546

The original wasn't exactly a comedy classic. A comedy sequel five years later and after Kevin James star has faded is making me wonder why its getting a $46 million sequel (C'mon Sony. You can do that for $30 million and you know it.)

But then Hollywood grapevine is that Kaz gets very easily starstruck and signs off stupid Hollywood vanity projects all the time. Which is how After Earth got made, apparently. Wouldn't be shocked if it's just to keep Happy Madison production's Sony exclusivity.

>>167635
>Kaz gets very easily starstruck and signs off stupid Hollywood vanity projects all the time
The more I hear about him the more it seems like he is doing a bad job.

>>167664

Apparently he could of killed After Earth before it went into full production but he wanted a film with the "Only bankable star in an era where franchise is more important" according to the film press. That theory was busted very quickly.

But then these threads always come back around to the biggest weakness being "Bad management" all the time and it keeps dragging out.

>>167715
Was After Earth that bad? Was it Will who was shit or his kid?

>>167760
Oh, spoilers don't work here apparently. I feel like an idiot now.

lol gg sonyggers

>>167760
>>167793

Glacial, overwraught pacing and both being ridiculously overdramatic. Both were terrible. I stopped the Blu-Ray and just gave up at the mid point. It was terrible.

It reeked of project gone out of control.

>>164634
Sony as a whole wont die, but they will have to go tru a major butchering 1st

>>167034
they dont go spending more than what they make for hte fuck of it

Nintendo releated, they are even expanding NoA Staff
http://mynintendonews.com/2014/03/02/nintendo-of-america-is-on-a-massive-hiring-spree/

>>167326
3-4/10

This is what happens when you put workers over profits - You end up with neither.

As long as I can still play Gran Turismo online.

...I'll still be able to play Gran Turismo online, r-right?

>>168466
not 5

>>168471
>when you put workers over profits
cool idea.. if not that SOny have already fired over 15K employees in 5 years

Fuck those fat niggers, they removed Linux support from the PS3 which made them get #rekt by hackers.

also they put rootkits on their CD's (nevar forget) and also put that rootkit into Acid Pro when they bought it out, which I loved at the time. Now i'm stuck with the last version of Acid Pro that doesn't have their gayware in, which is AP4, from like 2002.

Fucking niggers.

i wanted to like Sony, really did. But those two actions made them dead to me.

so, tonight wasn't particularly good for Sony at the Oscars. Neither American Hustle or Captain Phillips won a single award, and Amy Adams decided to be the queen of awkward with Bill Murray styling all over her, saying something to the effect of "oh, you can thank the fine people at Sony for that" after being complimented on her appearance.

At a time when Sony needed good publicity, the Oscars offered a gravity boot kick to the groin.

>>168810
not that it really mater tho, sony movies is where people care less (and insuarance)

Console gaming doesn't seem very profitable.

PlayStation is anchored to a dying company. PS3 wiped out all the profits of the previous generations. PS4 will take a long time to get margins up.

Nintendo is like Apple but more screwed--lots of cash, but unlike Apple their core sources of revenue (even the 3DS, thanks to smartphones) are seeing a steep decline.

Xbox One is in danger of falling short of the 360's success, and after a decade the Xbox division still hasn't recouped its overall losses. Any profits are a drop in the bucket. Kind of like Sony except Microsoft actually makes money elsewhere.

>>168471
This is what happens when you put profits over workers you dumbshit, especially when you have no idea how to manage the "profits".

I miss the times when companies focused on delivering a good product first and foremost and didn't give a shit about weird-ass industry manipulating bullshit- then again, those times might have never existed and I'm just being dreamy, what with Rockefeller and Krupp being the poster children for sucessful companies in the past.

I don't know what will come in the next few years but it'll be a big upheaval. Maybe this generation is the last generation of the old console giants.

>>169063
I wonder how the market will change actually

If Microsoft leaves the market.

Developers will make less money, as Sony wont need to bribe em any longer for DLC or promotion, etc.

But on the other hand, know ing Sony they will go full Jew dictator the best they can

>>168810

Bill Murray's burn is probably down to the VFX crew protest (Which he's supporting) and Sony's the worst at cutting low level crew and execs. Probably felt good (Especially after one of your best friends in the industry who got jerked around by Sony Columbia just passed away recently too). Rotten night for them though and they swept the Razzies. Never mind the massive Samsung placement and sponsorship repeatedly curb stomping them.

Also took a swan dive and recovered 20 down on the Nikkei last night too. Wonder what prompted that?

http://archive.foolz.us/biz/thread/123703/
One of the previous threads, for those who want to catch up.

Sony will soon be relegated to Sega status.

>>169765
depends,
they can save face but have to cut at least 2 more branches

and keep only Insurance, Movies, and music, and hell, just cause KAZ will 1st get fired, he will do all in his power to save games

>>169774

Games is his pet division so he will hold onto that like a rabid dog. But he's probably going to have to make some hard choices on it.

Also, anyone have any ideas why their price dropped hard on the Nikkei and Big Board this morning. Doubt it was the Oscars. Investor shorting it again?

http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/SNE

>>169050

Conglomerates can still make gaming divisions work because it's really just a drop of water compared to their other source of revenue. Microsoft still benefits using Xbox one as a jack of all trades to test their other software tech like Azure with the Titanfall.

What's killing Sony is that they are spending money in areas that aren't going to get them back their investment. Sony's vita didn't have as much as advertisement power as the smartphones do, yet they tried to compete with smartphones. Sony have like 2-3 divisions that are losing money compared to Microsoft regenerating another limbs after Window/PC profits lowering.

>>167034
Nintendo has lower their gaming development costs to reduce the gambit of needing too much copies to sell at once. They also try to avoid overspending too much of their money, and make their systems profit. However Nintendo problem is that competition is eating up their revenue those through.

>>168453
>Nintendo releated, they are even expanding NoA Staff
> http://mynintendonews.com/2014/03/02/nintendo-of-america-is-on-a-massive-hiring-spree/

What the fuck

NoA barely even does anything, are they actually going to put some focus on the western market?

>>167384
>The Cancer

heheheeheheh

Jokes aside though, this might sound silly but maybe we should put something on the OP about this, a line that says "REMINDER THAT SONY IS NOT ONLY PLAYSTATION" or something

>>170321

We used to. Someone on /v/ just kicked off early here and there's no point in just having a second thread.

Anyway. Anyone want to hazard a guess on today's drop so far. I'm thinking someone shorted and cashed out. Even "lol No Oscars" would be a dumb reason. Maybe the low results on ThirdPoint's return?

wow, when are you morons going to stop making these threads?

>>170355
are you for real, do you even invest?

>http://news.sky.com/story/1220031/markets-tumble-as-ukraine-tensions-escalate

>>169633

I suppose this might have pissed off Murray as well

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/ghostbusters-iii-moving-forward-after-harold-ramis-death-20140226

what the fuck Sony, its like they want the world to hate them

>>166498
Spiderman is a shit tier superhero why would you want another movie about him?

>>170540
>superfags
Superhero comics were the death of comic books' credibility.

THE NEW XPERIA PHONES ARE FUKKEN SEXY

SAMSUNG HAS SHIT PLASTIC BUILD QUALITY, ITS PATHETIC

ALL SONY HAS TO DO IS MAKE THEIR BEZELS THIN AGAIN AND THEY'LL HAVE BETTER DEVICES THAN APPLE IN THE PREMIUM MARKET

NOW IF ONLY THEY HAD THE CASH TO ADVERTISE

>>170660
I'm going to get the waterproof xperia

Out of all the Sony product lines the PS4, PS3 SS, and the Xperia as far as I know are the only products that aren't out of touch with consumers.

I just hope the price for humility won't cause them to go under.

>>170317
I hope they will greenlight new cartoons, make lifelong fans mans

>>170660
Too bad it's going to be undercut in price because samsung can do that. Also Samsung is the new apple to consumer.
Shame though, xperia really is specs porn

>>169765
The difference is that Sega had enough devs left over after dropping consoles to survive making software. Sony's been cutting their relationships with studios left and right lately. If Sony drops consoles I'd be highly skeptical that their gaming division would survive long.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/sony-has-closed-so-many-game-studios-this-gen-29363528/
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-08-22-sony-closes-wipeout-developer-sony-liverpool-report
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/451080/layoffs-hit-god-of-war-studio-sony-santa-monica/

>>173405
anon Sony rebuilt liverpool

>>170660
Opinions and all, but you call that sexy? It's like they just pulled out a rectangle of plastic to make it. That's one of the most unexciting phones I've ever seen. What's the appeal to you?

>>173552
PREMIUM MATERIALS. THE NEW XPERIAS ARE ULTRA THIN, HAVE AN ALUMINUM FRAME, GLASS FRONT AND BACK, AND ONE MODEL HAD THE THINNEST TOP AND BOTTOM BEZELS EVER ON A PHONE. MAXIMIZING SCREEN WITHIN DEVICE FOOTPRINT IS A BIG DEAL

PHABLETS CAN EASILY LOOK RETARDED WHEN HELD TO THE EAR. THE IDEAL PHONE STAYS AT THE EDGE OF A REASONABLE SIZE BUT WITH PURE SCREEN TO ALL 4 SIDES

AND SONY'S BRAVIA-IZED IPS SCREENS BEAT THE PANTS OFF SAMSUNG AMOLEDS. PLUS THE BRAND IS MORE PREMIUM. SONY LOGO ON TOP UR PHONE IS WAY HOTTER THAN SAMSUNG

>>173654
>>170660

Oh I wonder who's behind this post.

>>170049
>anyone have any ideas why their price dropped hard on the Nikkei and Big Board this morning. Doubt it was the Oscars. Investor shorting it again?

Do you ever read the news? Holy shit people on this board

Don't worry guys. China will save the day.

>>173654
All that shit isn't going to resurrect Sony. There are dozens of Chinese OEMs that are making high spec smartphones with better designs and at a lesser than whatever Sony can manage to put together.

I'd rather buy Xiaomi than a Sony phone.

>Sony is selling their last major building in Japan.

Nope.

Buildings are something they still have in excess. One building it would be really nice for them to sell is the Ginza one. AFAIK, that building is nothing but a museum on the most expensive region in Tokyo. Selling that useless burden not only would generate a lot of quick cash but also save tons on taxes and maintenance in the long run.

If sony wants to become truly relevant again, they still have a lot of shrinkage to do. 80 billion dollar revenue and still not being able to turn a solid yearly profit? Give a break.

>>167429

So you mean kids? I will be crying when Nintendo finally bites the bullet in the console market.

>>174086
>Xiaomi
>better specs

Not according to the source bellow:
http://gadgets.ndtv.com/sony-xperia-z2-1310-vs-xiaomi-mi3-1026

Not that matters anyway. For the average Joe, the flagships of both companies are almost the same phone. What differentiates them? Price, support, software and marketing. Which one is best? I can't comment as I'm not in the market for a new phone right now. Hardware specs, for the great majority of users, are already overkill. Until there are popular apps that make use of all this power, they are just for e-penis enlargment.

>>174391
The Mi3 is a Q4 2013 phone, the Z2 is Q2 2014.

The updated Mi3s (http://www.unwiredview.com/2014/02/14/xiaomi-mi3s-comes-in-april-red-rice-becomes-redmi-and-makes-it-out-of-china-on-february-21/)) will have the same processor and RAM and cost $2-300 less than Sony's flagship phone.
The Chinese phones may be small time in North America, but their market share is exploding in the developing world (esp. China and India).

Sony's Xperia? I doubt there's any market where it has more than a trivial presence.

Will they ever fire Kaz?

>>175649

If they had any sense they would. He's spectacularly useless.

>>164634

Every goddamn week there's something else Sony are doing to ensure their executives salary.

When's it going to come to a head? Like, whats the ETA when they run out of stuff

>>175957
They have a fair amount of stuff left. It's going to be a long and painful (for Sony and fans) death.

>>170438
Not like this. Not like this.

>>175649
Nope because people still think he is a good guy, and people still prasie at the gaming division

>>164634
>When I read this news I almost wanted to cry.
Why? Sony is a shitty company with bad practices. They deserve to die.

>>164688
I bought my PS1 IN 1998. Still works to this day.

>>176807
Those things are built like bricks. Used to be that Sony products were famous for longevity, you could guarantee a Sony product would work 10+ years no problem. As tech has become less mechanical reliability has declined, but Sony products still tend not suffer from reliability/defect issues.

The real problem is that people don't value higher build quality as it becomes harder to demonstrate, so they're more than willing to buy plastic shit from Samsung/Vizio/whoever as they're capable of undercutting Sony products by huge margins by making their stuff out of shit. Samsung in particular proved that product doesn't matter, brand does, and they've spent far more on marketing over the past few years than making cell phones that are meant to be thrown away after two years

>>177346

Problem is while Sony still has some build quality. Everything else has suffered. They got lazy and complacent of the RIAA and MPAA money they were making and assumed the brand would justify the expense.


Also in market watch today. Buyback after the Crimea conflict escalated but actually down off PS4 sales figures. Has the sheen run off that tactic?

>>177346

Problem is while they still have some of that build quality. The technology part has been missing for some time and they got lazy and complacent with the RIAA and MPAA helping them bring in cash to keep them afloat in the early 00's. It's not worth the Sony tax any more.

Also in market watch. There was a buyback after the Crimea tensions died down and it just looks like a good ol' Cold War but shares went down afterwards even with PS4 sales. That tactic is probably dead.

>>171690
>Also Samsung is the new apple to consumer
hahahaHAHAHAHAHA

>>177346

The disc reader in my PS3 has broken twice now (costs ONE HUNDRED GODDAMN DOLLARS for Sony to fix that), and although it still functions, my parents have a Sony Bravia HDTV at home that's a piece of crap. Awful response times, mediocre picture. Not to mention the many PS4 issues at launch. Sony's product quality has gone out the window long ago, if you're still claiming it's good then I doubt you've bought a Sony product in years.

>>178237
>many PS4 issues at launch
>less than 0.5%

>>178237
>Sony's product quality has gone out the window long ago

yes, especially since PS4s are being made by Foxconn, which is the worst goddamn manufacturer imaginable.

XBO is also being made by them, and they have similar issues, the two consoles.

Fan lubricant oozes out of the console, and thermal paste is just blurted generally in the right spot in excessive amounts.

>>178250
>>less than 0.5%
The die alone has more than 20% chance of being faulty in the manufacturing, the memory is prone to being faulty in the manufacturing, that's all excluding the horrible Foxconn tier manufacturing in everything else.

0.5% is neogaf level bullshit.

>>178494
>XBO is also being made by them
Well I can't find the source now but I'm sure MS said only the powerbrick are from Foxcon but the rest of the console are from another thirdworld manufacturer(Ithink it was Bras or the Philippinen).

>>178250
>source: Sony

>>178673
If I remember this correctly, some Xbones are being manufactured by Flextronics in singapore.

I don't know, but nevertheless, the two have startlingly similar issues with build quality.

>>178805
manufacturer numbers are the only thing to go on apart from vocal minorities on the internet offering anecdotal testimony. independent studies are few and far between, like the one released in 2009 comparing microsoft/sony/nintendo consoles.

SquareTrade_Xbox360_PS3_Wii_Reliability_0809

It seems that electronics today are built with planned obsolescence in mind, apt to fall apart after x number of years consistently used. Sony is no exception to this business model, sacrificing their former pride in well engineered products to embrace products that best fit cost/benefit analysis to provide value to the consumer.

Like >>178237, the disc reader was what put my PS2 out of commission after 8 years of heavy use, those components in particular are pretty prone to failure. Never have had a problem with my PS3 though, 5 years running. At the very least its better than what direct competition has had to offer in the past.

>>179047
>Like >>178237, the disc reader was what put my PS2 out of commission after 8 years of heavy use

This shit?

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=7139

So does this mean xbox won?

How the fuck did this happen...

>>179668
>>>/v/
And stay there.

>>179668
Xbox won as soon as Sony adopted the same strategies than them

Also Sony != Playstation

>>174350
It's like you don't even remember the fucking marvel the Trinitron was, and who started manufacturing transistor radios
>PROTIP, is not murrika

Sony on its way to $18, no surprise there

>>167247
>In the 1970s, 1980s, and up to 1996 or so, the Sony products were among the very best in quality. The high-end televisions were the best non-professional displays money could buy (professional monitors cost about $20,000 apiece.)
A few of their post 90's products were still quite great, but had a few encumbering issues that were really shit, though they can't compare to what Sony did back then
The Minidisc was great, but left really behind with flash based DAP's, and the unusable software made it quite a pain in the ass to use
Their CLIÉ line was great, and quite ahead of Palm, and their Walkman's had really good quality before the iPod raped the shit out of the market, their phones were the only competitors to Nokia for quite some time

Though the golden years of Sony designing groundbreaking unicorns are long gone, along that most of their R&D
I will miss forever the 70's to 90's Sony
Well, atleast I still have my Trinitron XBR^2 from 1992, still works great, one of the finest TV's i have ever seen

How would Steve Jobs handle this situation?

No trolls please.

>>176052
This, Sony is quite big, they have lot's of stuff to sell

>>179801
Resigning and coming back when Sony was practically dead, to revive it using a combination of walled garden wonderphones, computers and home entertainment

How is Sony failing? What is it they are losing money on?

>>179942
You could, like, read the thread

>>179801
Beg Bill Gates for a bail out

>>179801
He most probably wouldn't.

Because he is dead.

>>167034

Hasn't Nintendo been losing money over the past years?

All of this about keeping costs low and not doing stupid shit with money because things look shiny is true and sensible, but people are going to pay for the same Mario game and worn out gimmicks so many times before they have to come up with something new and fun.

>>174350
>walkman launched in 1979
>playstation launched in 1994
>people who grew up with them are kids

>>164634
Is there any way back for Sony now?

Has there been a company in a similar position who survived?

>>179986
The videogame market is changing wildly lately, last gen ended in a way different manner than it started.

The industry is moving more and more towards being based on the western market, this is detrimental to Nintendo, they shouldn't enter in direct competition but at the same time, they have to get the same market.

They have to find a niche and are still working on it, fortunately for them, they have plenty of time to do it, they are hiring people for NoA so maybe they know

>>170317
Hopefully it'll mean they're more pro-active in localising games.

forget your stupid gaming systems, that only makes up about 10% of Sony sales

the real money for this corp is in imaging - screens and cameras

>>179047
Dude, sony was famous for the sony timer. I mean, litterally all of their price consumer products broke down in less then a few years sometimes with disasterous results.

The ps2 was a fucking abomination that was built to have a running life of two years tops. They were sued for this shit. No other console from that gen had the rate of failure that the ps2 had, hell the ps1 was just as fucking bad.

>>179801
He would be gently moved out of the company.

Then buy Pixar, give them artistic freedom to make awesome movies.

Then sell Pixar for bajillion dollars.

>>179991
>Has there been a company in a similar position who survived?

Apple.

>>179991

They would have to swallow their pride and streamline all the divisions to be more cost effective and that means dumping bad management and getting rid of electronics or streamlining them down into something significantly more effective.

Problem is, Hirai wants to double down on bad management, Is hiring more execs and cutting back on the lower level staff and engineers. The execs are running the company when the engineers were. Hell, a lot of engineers saw the signs when they just saw Howard Stringer mark 2 in Kaz (Came in at Sony/CBS music and became an exec there before being moved to Sony Computer Entertainment) and he's pretty much been living up to the lack of expectation.

It can be saved. But there's a lot that needs to be cut and huge sacrifices to be made.

>>179801
Probably downsize the shit out of it, think smaller for a while then gradually build it back up. Hopefully this will be a message to the over-priced electronics industry (in Aus anyway), you can't keep shoveling shit into customers mouths and expect them to pay you for it.

>>179994
They'll probably end up similar to Sony and just focus on the games themselves.

>>179986
>>>/v/

>>179999
While that's good for people who play games, you and I both know localizing usually isn't super profitable. Especially if they're localizing another publisher's game.

Plus I have no idea why Nintendo has this urge to censor everything when they localize

What happens to Blu-ray if Sony dies? Don't they make a lot of moola off of that sector?

>>180548
Blu-ray is marketed by a lot of companies, not just Sony. See the Blu-Ray Disc Association

>>180165
Those are the best selling consoles in their respective gens.

Sony just wants another PS2 success.

>>180378
>They'll probably end up similar to Sony and just focus on the games themselves.

Learn the difference between marketing and product anon.

The PS4 is a mediabox

>>180553

Panasonic owns most of the patents. Sony's only a small part of the consortium and owns some patents. Their involvement is basically down to protectionism of their media and the MPAA. Blu-Ray has heavy and obnoxious DRM so of course Sony Pictures is interested.

>>167330
ehh not a 0 maybe like a 2

>>179991
It's not even that hard. All Sony have to do is sell some of their departments. This seems like what they are doing, hence stock price is going up

Will surge like crazy once it's been fully confirmed and laid out

>inb4 autistic comes in telling people "margin not high".

>>180776

>Slash and burn is good! Thank you based Kaz we're going to $20 soon!

Fucking lol.

>In b4 sperg out and "BAAAAAW WHERE YOUR PUTS"

>>180165
You mean this?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/7054587/The-myth-of-the-Sony-kill-switch.html

The only reason Sony is associated with the notion of nefarious planned obsolesence is because of their ubiquity in Japan and one major fuckup with a laptop battery (which they recalled). The lawsuit your referring to covered a small, albeit significant, hunk of the userbase.

Claiming that Sony makes all of their products to break down in less than 2 years including the PS2 is nothing but confirmation bias. If people believe in paranoia like the Sony timer then as soon as they drop their PS2 onto cement and it shatters they say "Oh look! Sony strikes again! Should've never bought that piece of shit"

Japan weekly video game sales are in. PS4 took a HUGE second-week drop, Wii U's second-week sales were about double and even the Vita sold more second-week. Some are claiming supply constraints, but the system is readily available and it's not like the first-week sales were more than ordinary for a launch there. I know Japan is a tiny market compared to the west and that it's still early, but it looks like Sony will need more than just marketing to make the PS4 popular there.

>>180783
Don't invest, because you're clearly not capable.

>>180783
you're that same moron who post retarded shit like this

>>170049
>anyone have any ideas why their price dropped hard
On 3/3 for god sakes. Seriously, don't ever post again.

This is all part of their plan.

They'll restructure
Make profit and step into new markets like VR and continue supporting their Playstation branche

When they make enough profit, they will fucking buy their birthplace back and be welcomed with open arms.

>>180900
>>180911

Sorry, I'm not the person who is betting on Sony because of the videogame division like a sucker and feeling investors remorse already.

Plus the tech retreat was a surprise aspect off the Crimea tensions. Even the WSJ reported it

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/techs-join-market-retreat-on-ukraine-worries-2014-03-03

But of course, continue to slide and try take the thread off the company in the shit.

>>180960
You need an article to tell you, after-the-fact, on why the entire market is in the red? And completely dumbfounded why Sony (and Nikkei) was down a day prior?

>tech retreat was a surprise aspect

If you're this new to investing, why do you insist on sprouting your opinion? Keep quiet and learn, this is real basic stuff. Also learn what ADR is.

>>180887
>Some are claiming supply constraints, but the system is readily available and it's not like the first-week sales were more than ordinary for a launch there.

We will just have to wait some to see sources I guess, scalpers were getting royally fucked by the extensive supply

>>180984

>"BAAAAAW SHUT UP KID."

Nice comeback. Still won't stop the threads or you losing your investment.

>>>/v/

>>180999
Judging by your analytic abilities and reading comprehensions, you should stay away from individual stocks and just buy DJIA. Saves you money

thought that the Ps4 sales in the west would tank the rupture, but guess I was wrong.

Any other major in the same situation?

>>181010

Taking advice from someone who's SWOT analysis was "OMG PLAYSTATION BUY BUY BUY"? Fucking lol.

>>181053
Never said that was my analysis, but clearly you're incapable of anything but "herp go back to /v/" attacks

>I don't even visit /v/, also only have pc.

Japan could start a war with China tomorrow and you'll still ask why Sony is down. Maybe Loeb is selling!

The PS4 has done worse in its second week in Japan than the WiiU did.

http://gematsu.com/2012/12/media-create-sales-121012-121612

>Wii U – 126,916 (308,142)

http://gematsu.com/2014/03/media-create-sales-22414-3214

>PlayStation 4 – 65,685 (309,154)

And people though the WiiU did poorly in Japan.

>>169765
They can't afford to be Sega, Sega like NIntendo has IPs and developer teams that create money.

Sony success came from their deep pockets. They don't really work with being interdependent gaming division when they rely on power, money, and marketing to the best system.

It's going be interesting to see how long Sony can afford to bleed money. They got deep ass pockets, but it's shrinking each year.
http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/sne/financials/balance-sheet
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bs?s=SNE+Balance+Sheet&annual

And look at pic related shows how awful their management of truly is.

Japan is so 90's

Korea is where it's at.

>>181153
if PS4 sinks too WiiU numbers on non release games weeks, Ill laugh soo fucking hard

>>181367
So why the fuck are you here? You clearly have a Nintendo/PC bias, want Sony/PS4 to fail desperately and you go to these threads and act like you're a master analiyst for reassurance and then go back to /v/ to shitpost

Just stay on /v/, console war gabrage and all these constant mentions of Nintendo is fucking sad. It's like you guys are so fucking mentally distrought that the PS4 isn't doing horrible you come to this board and shit it up and act like you're a master at investing and knowledgeable on companies

This isn't a reassurance thread, it's a discussion and all you're doing is shitting it up.

Fuck off back to /v/ and stay in your little console war threads.

>>181455
>This isn't a reassurance thread, it's a discussion and all you're doing is shitting it up.
PS4 will keep going down for the next 2 weeks,
but will spike back on march 20 cause Ground Zeroes

happy faggot?

>>179942
mismanagement and deadweight divisions. they need to cut like motherfuckers and restructure.

>>181587
or wait til the division is too heavy and will fall itself, and hurt em worst, like PC does, and TV by next year

>>181153
the very definition of cherry picking.
>>181592
yeah, they need someone shrewd to enact a state of emergency and toss the toxic shit out of the window. getting rid of vaio was a good move but the spin-off of the TV division was chemo where amputation was needed. kaz is being too hesitant.

>>181609
>h, they need someone shrewd to enact a state of emergency and toss the toxic shit out of the window
so Loeb last year?

>>179668
>video games

But no, xbox didn't win, they fucked up what little reputation they had left. Playstation will continue to live on, even if Sony isn't alive anymore.

>>181455
To be fair it's kind of expected. The media has been shitting on the Wii U nonstop since its release, but now that the PS4 is probably going to fare about the same in Japan, Sony will probably whitewash the whole situation or just pretend Japan doesn't exist.

Not that anon but I AM a PC/Nintendo fan when it comes to gaming, and watching the video game industry today builds up a lot of frustration.

Does this mean remarkable old sony products will become.. vintage?

>>182065
Hipsters are already walking around with walkmans.

SONOOMED

>>179942
Sony clearly makes money, but the problem is that they are losing too much with the spending on top of cancerous division.

Even if Sony makes the most amount in a divison, they always

>>182140
So basically what that means is Sony, the famous old electronics giant that used to hold the number 1 spot.

Is making money, on everything BUT the electronics....

>>181609
>Cherry picking
>Comparing the second week of sales of both consoles

How do you figure?

>>182065
Sony has been around since the 50's, their radios, audio products, and TV's have been vintage since the 90's

>>182171
the graphs are slightly out of date but yes. All Sony have to do is cut the tumor and they will be fine

>>182171
Yeah the only reason electronic continues to exist despite being poison for the entire company is because of pride, and praying that someday Electronic do good again.

It's same tactic they did with Vita and PS3 Sony did when they were losing money as well.

It definatetly won't work in tv, mobile market as it did for gaming.

>>182306
How do you keep getting a new ID everytime I filter you?

>>182321
Beats me. Just keep on filtering

>>182321
why don't you filter by name? do you not even know how IDs work?

lurk more

>>182306
I already posted the most recent quarter.

>>180776
>>inb4 autistic comes in telling people "margin not high".

It's is a issue when their own financial report mentions that the cost of ps4 launch greatly reduced the operating income for the PS4.

>>182479
I have missed it.

>It's is a issue when their own financial report mentions that the cost of ps4 launch greatly reduced the operating income for the PS4.

Everything fundamental about a company is already factored into the current stock price. The main driving points are future expectations and changes to company policies.

>>182140
>>182307
Can someone please tell me what IP&S, MP%C and HE&S mean?
I'm not that fluent in /biz/sraeli.

>>167449
>He also gave himself a million dollar raise instead of cutting his pay to save the company's money.
It's like they're the anti-nintendo.

>>179986
No. This is the first year they've lost money in the past decade.

>>182522
>Everything fundamental about a company is already factored into the current stock price. The main driving points are future expectations and changes to company policies.

That doesn't really change the point there is a clear issue with the amount of profits that Sony is getting eat away.

Disney, Universal have lower revenue then Sony does in the movies, but they have bigger net profits, and profit margins.

172 million out of 4.2B in december 31 for gaming division is bad.

>>182354
Because he keeps taking the name off.

>>182827
Mobile Products & Communications (MP&C)

Home Entertainment & Sound (HE&S)

Imaging Products & Solutions (IP&S)

Basically Electronics stuff.

>>182938
Issues that investors like me don't give two shits about. I don't give two flying fucks whether Sony margin is lower than their competitors. If you're basing your investing thesis off of publicly known figures, you're going to have a bad time.

Many invested in JCP does not mean they all believe it has a future or that it can compete with Macy, but rather it is in the right direction of stopping the bleeding.

Cut the tumor, Sony goes up. Market sentiments agrees. Has been since Loeb comes into the picture, and still is since announcements of subsidiaries. The main point on your thesis on Sony investments at this moment should depend on whether you believe they are cutting their loss leaders in a reasonable fashion and whether they are taking the correct steps on unlocking those values.

Of course expectations of revenue, income, and margin could change in the upcoming quarters and it is also important to keep those in mind, but the degree of changes will be directly related to the main point (removing loss leads).

>>182989
I had an idea that it was Electronics simply because I know that is what is killing them.

Didn't Sony cut their PCs/Laptops to focus on mobile? Why would they do that when mobile/communications is hurting them?

Why is Kaz so stupid?

>>182905
>decade
Last year was the first year they lost money in the history of their publicly-traded company.

>>183071
Because PC is/was also hurting them.

>>170660
>Android
DOHOHOHOHO.
They should move on to Windows Phone, there are thousands of Android phones nobody wants out there already.

>>183774
Android is a bit bigger and more feature rich. Putting an os that isn't popluar at all and has less then nothing compared to both ios and android is not...going to help them at all.

>>183828
Well, it worked for Nokia. They kept sucking Symbian and meego's dick until 2011 when they realized they were getting nowhere and needed something to stand out from the crowd. I too believe iOS and Android have more features but WP delivers a solid experience.

>>180856
>Claiming that Sony makes all of their products to break down in less than 2 years including the PS2 is nothing but confirmation bias

It's not confirmation bias when nearly all of their products do in fact break down in a few years.
The ps2 was known to be made flimsy specifically to artificially increase sales, same way with the ps1.
Fucking EVERYONE knows it. They also had many other products that fucked up.
There is a fucking wiki article about this,
Hell most companies do it, sony was just the first to bring this to video games(as microsoft soon followed in their footsteps with the 360)and were the most egregious.

>>183043


>Issues that investors like me don't give two shits about.
Sure you don't, but let's not pretend that every believes in Sony is fine
http://www.bdlive.co.za/world/asia/2014/02/10/investors-losing-faith-in-sony-ceo-hirai

The whole reason why there was "there shouldn't be a PS4" articles came out is because the Playstation brand wouldn't get the money they lose from the PS3 and Vita bundle, and just get small dollars back

PS3 and Vita damage will never go away unless they recoup all of the money they loss. They can't afford then have other unstable sectors in Entertainment, and at same time allow the abomination of electronics to exist in the same company.


Profit margin matter for Sony if they want to keep their company on float allow pet division to exists.
>Of course expectations of revenue, income, and margin could change in the upcoming quarters and it is also important to keep those in mind, but the degree of changes will be directly related to the main point (removing loss leads).

Loss lead works when they actually work in synergy, and has a purpose for the brand. Just at look Xbox one synergy with other brands. It a jack of all trades machine that is a trojan horse for R&D. Xbox one helped built server divison. Sony doesn't work like that, PS4 no DRM fucks with the musics and movies.


Sony isn't Doomed, but it is in serious danger to be damaged if they don't do something to change it. The current model is a bubble that will burst, Kaz Hirai doen't seem to grasp that he can't a PS3 in the electronic market and think that the electronic will do better now.

>>183851
>worked for Nokia
"WORKED"

SELLING YOUR MOBILE DIVISION TO MICROSOFT FOR PENNIES ON ITS MARKET SHARE IN THE OLD DAYS ISN'T SUCH GREAT WORK

>>179784
I have a MiniDisc player and XBR2. Those were probably the last great Sony products and the MiniDisc was burdened with DRM-like shit that no paying customer cares about. (But the RIAA and Sony's music label loves.)

Toward the end, Sony kept on creating proprietary technologies for things that were already standardized and that hurt them greatly, too. At least Betamax was first and was of noticeably better quality than VHS.

But Sony MemoryStick and all the other proprietary connectors when there was compact flash, SD, USB, etc? Sony was no longer trying to get customers to buy Sony products on the merits of the product: they were forcing customers to buy overpriced crap due to lock-in tactics.

Even the PlayStation was a sign that Sony lost the spark that made it successful. There was nothing special about it. It was just another me-too machine that played games. Me-too companies rarely have high margins and countries like China destroy me-too companies because it truly becomes a race to zero.

The Sony phones are going to be failures as they're nothing but Android phones. They seem nice enough but very few people are going to pay a high premium for them because Samsung, HTC, or whatever other company will drop their prices if the Sony sells too well.

Until Sony comes up with a product with a truly unique value proposition, it's downward spiral will continue. Sony likely won't die, though, because it does have its record label and movie studio and back catalogs. But if Sony doesn't get it's act together, it may one day find that it no longer sells any hardware products.

>inb4 Microsoft buys Sony and merges the Playstation and Xbox into one

>>164697
>sony will never make CRTs again

>>183928
RIGHT IN THE /g/ FEELS

SONY DON'T DIE ON US

>>183934
That's not even a machine for displaying concurrent images, do you work for the government?

Sony is not going to go bankrupt anytime soon, look at hardware sales.

>>183865
Investors losing faith? share prices tell a different story.

Sony is up 3% on Tokyo exchange. It has been itching up days after days since /biz/ started all these troll threads. Very apparent that the market agrees with me.

I've already made over 100% returns (a couple above 200%) on my SNE calls. You guys can keep pissing dirt about "Sony is dying, bankruptcy watch, margin derp" while I keep close watch on Sony restructuring.

>>183967
WUT

THE ONLY WIDESCREEN TRINITRON MONITOR EVER MADE, AT THE PINNACLE OF CRT TECHNOLOGY

NOTHING COULD CONCURRENT IMAGES LIKE THIS THING, PARTICULARLY FOR CALIBRATED PHOTO WORK. IT STILL HAS BETTER COLOR THAN 90% OF LCDS TO THIS DAY, LET ALONE UNBEATABLE MOTION REPRODUCTION

I didn't know there were so many nintoddlers on /biz/

>>184006
I remember when Trinitron was the best. Those were the days.

Actually sony still does make good products, just their marketing sucks. I have an xperia z1 smartphone and love it. Way better product than samsung offerings

>>182905
actually, no, they lost also in 2011..yet still

loses from 2011+12+13 < earning from 2010

>>183043
>I don't give two flying fucks whether Sony margin is lower than their competitors
except a 4% margin mean Taxes will eat it

>>183992
2 out of those sell at lost
1 have 0 AR
the other one dig a hole so deep, it will never get out

>>184016
>nintoddlers
to >>>/v/ with you

>>184045
It also means priced in, with only uncertainties with future non-gaap operating margin.

When a company is undergoing structural and policies changes, this is what you should be focusing your analytic on and (at least attempt to) determine how such change would affect fundamentals.

Sony is becoming more like a binary stock by the day.

>>184078
>When a company is undergoing structural and policies changes
they are not so far, they sold PC cause they were basically forced. not cause they foresaw the problems it would bring em.

they are not changing cause they are smart, they are changing in emergency cause some limbs are to rotten already

>>183992
Sony isn't just a console manufacturer.

Also PS4s have terrible profit margin if any.

>>>/v/

>>183992
>vgchartz

You know those numbers are completely made up, right?

>>184087
>they are changing in emergency cause some limbs are to rotten already

And even then, Kaz is putting bandages on when he should amputate.

>>184108
he ego dont let him accept he lost in some fronts

Hell I bet the only reason he shitted on Loeb proposal last year was to save Games division that is like his love child

TV is likely to follow PC forced sell this year to

>>184113
>TV is likely to follow PC forced sell this year to

Probably not this year, unless something really drastic happens.

They'll try distancing it from Sony, but still holding it in a tight leash, as if the image is the thing holding the TVs back.

>>178237
>Sony's product quality has gone out the window long ago
Pretty much this. My original PS1 had a DRE problem within one year of getting it so we had to buy the slim version and that has its controller broken. My PS2 has DRE on games at complete random. It won't read MGS2 for example but everything else works. My PS3 has been alright for now, but I'm expecting it to break. My two PSPs have had problems, one doesn't hold a charge even with changed batteries), and the other ranges from not charging when I plug it in to randomly being unable to read UMDs.

To top it off, their $50 "noise cancelling" headphones I bought ages ago broke within four months of light usage. We got about three of them before we stopped because they changed the design every so often so we gave them another chance until enough was enough.

Oh, and their two cameras we got are both terrible, the first one had its zoom function broken within a year(Only goes to 1.7x and 5.0x and you can't stop it anywhere) and the second one's screen is nearly broken.

Sony hasn't meant quality in years.

>>167247
Walkmen were also the best portable music players you could buy. The sport walkman line was really well engineered and durable.

>>184477
>My PS2 has DRE on games at complete random. It won't read MGS2 for example but everything else works.
I have this problem too. My PS2 won't read my copy of DMC3SE. I'm thinking it might be a problem with the disc itself. Did you try using a different copy of MGS2? If so, did it work then?

>>184542
Nope, only have the one from the Essential collection.

>>184113

Loeb's proposal included opening 20% off to venture capital on the spin off so more likely he was scared of a proxy holder getting in with real power and influence like Apple.

Even though Apple backing would probably be the better thing for them at this point.

>>183916
>into one
intentional?

>>184113
TV Hardware is more likely to go out next year, or the year after. They're at a point now where they're more competitive when it comes to the price/quality ratio for screens, especially now that Panasonic have dropped plasma (hold me), but they're still being viciously undercut by LG, Samsung, and other manufacturers. A big part of it seems to be that their engineers are more mechanically minded, and it's like switching from prop to jet engined aircraft. Sure, the fundamental physics of flight are unchanged, but otherwise it is completely different.

>>179990
back in my days...

>>183992
>MUH HARDWARE SALES

How about you rely on good sources for once?

pic related has shown that Sony only makes 172 million out of 4.2 billion revenue..........combined with all of the PS brand sales.

Don't you get it, the problem isn't that Sony can't make good sales. The issue is that they don't see a good prorition of that money. Yes Gaming business helps Sony more then Electronics, but at the same time limits Sony too.

Moody investor service gave Sony a junk credit because....

>"Sony's profitability is likely to remain weak and volatile, as we expect the majority of its core consumer electronics businesses - such as TVs, mobile, digital cameras and personal computers - to continue to face significant downward earnings pressure."

>Moody's did acknowledge the likelihood of an increase in profitability for Sony's games business, but, "not to the extent seen with the profitability level in 2010."
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-01-27-sonys-credit-rating-cut-to-junk

As you can see, they were right. It was shown during their August 2013, and September 2013 report that they lost money on R&D for the PS4+vita price drops, and lost 8 million due to cannbalization of currency, and software sales of the ps3.

the gaming section barely made a profit in fiscal year 2011 ($2.8 million), that was almost gone in fiscal year 2012 ($0.8 million) and in the years before 2011, the separate divisions in which the games business was in reported losses of several hundred million of dollars for 4 or 5 years in a row.
>>180001
>>182140

Their software sales have been proportionally unreliable when their first party titles don't sell as much as their hardware do. They need PS+ to reap more money out.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-09-20-sony-expects-to-recoup-playstation-4-hardware-loss-at-launch?&source=email_rt_mc_body&app=n

Just look at Japan sales.
http://gematsu.com/2014/03/media-create-sales-22414-3214

>>167271
This, pretty much. I remember someone told me that Nintendo consoles are designed for Nintendo games first and foremost, so their engines will run on it perfectly and they can finish what would be a big budget game by todays standards with a small team and get it out in less than a year. It's a good way to conduct business, really.

I think it's even LESS than a half million copies sold to turn a profit, actually.

>>170317
The rumour is that it's a translation department, and the core idea behind it is they'll translate games and front the costs for exclusivity. It could see a sharp increase in niche Japanese titles, and since Nintendo are all about careful spending, they'll be doing it for less than it would be to outsource it

Again, this is just a rumour, but it's a good strategy

http://m.prnewswire.com/news-releases/jack-tretton-to-step-down-as-president-and-ceo-of-sony-computer-entertainment-america-248876781.html

Jack Tretton is gone as CEO of Sony Computer Entertainment America

What on earth is going on over there?

>>185942
This is a very good strategy to appeal to "core" gamers (god I hate that term) if it's true.

Unfortunately, though, Monster Hunter and Platinum games haven't really been making the Wii U popular despite being good Japanese exclusives. It's why I think Nintendo is pursuing this "quality of life" direction, because the market and "gamers" keep blowing them off no matter what they do. This is where better marketing and fan involvement would improve things massively for them imo.

Jack Tretton is gone

another nail in the coffin

>>186343
>>186697

rip sony 2014

>People keep saying Sony should remove cancer
>They do and predictably they use it to spin their anti sony agenda

I said it once and I'll say it again, why the fuck are you in /biz/?

>>186343
RIP.

>>186759
Well I don't know about you but I can't stand Sony. I'm not really rooting for them.

Jack Tretton is one of the big faces of Sony, he's been around a long time. Just like with Sony selling three HQ buildings, it's an important part of Sony going away.

>>183992
>VGchartz.
>02-22-2014

Also, the ''hardware sales'' numbers Sony releases are rumored to actually be units shipped. Combine that with the fact that pretty much every console manufacturer makes it profit on selling games and not on selling systems. Making this ''chart'' completely unusable.

>>183992
>VGChartz

That shit is useless on /v/ and its useless here. Its nothing but pure air and the only use of it is if you want to play marketing.

>>183859
I want /v/ to leave

Also
>There is a fucking wiki article about this

Gotta say, that made me giggle

>>186895
Even the creator of Resident Evil has gone on record to call Sony out on shitty product quality.

http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=14784122

>>183859
Funny how my PS2 and PS1 still work to this day and my Trinitron lasted for 17 years. My current Sony TV is 4 years old and doing great.

So many /v/irgins on this board. This place is just as much of a joke as the rest of 4Chan.
I bet this thread consists to 90% of underaged/manchildren /v/ goers who have an irrational grudge against Sony for [insert reason here].

>>186951
It's nice that you lucked out on your PS1 and PS2 still working, but it's well known those things die on you. I personally went through 3 PS2's during that console generation.

I don't think I've owned a sony product since Playstation 1.
I certainly won't miss them.

>>186759
>>People keep saying Sony should remove cancer
>>They do and predictably they use it to spin their anti sony agenda

Where have they done that? They do much more then just sell their captial and assets. They have to get rid of the ENTIRE electronic division if they want to see some growth. They can only keep the device and

>>182307


They also have to drop this "EVERY WE CAN MAKE EVERYTHING" approach to their company.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/profiles/10342735/Kazuo-Hirai-the-man-who-keeps-Sony-singing-from-the-same-hymn-sheet.html

Still think they can keep TV business despite the fact TV had annual loss.
http://www.engadget.com/2014/02/06/sony-sells-vaio/

If you want to prove Sony is doing well use facts.

>>186972
yeah, mee too, my first ps2 died on me, fucking crap, psone got freezing problems and eject button broke in like two months of use

>>164634
Sucks to hear that. I always buy Playstation over whatever else is out there and all my phones were Sony (Ericsson) and they were pretty decent.

Here's an interview with Tretton's replacement

http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/06/sony-entertainment-network-shawn-layden-interview/

Expect more Music and Video Unlimited pushing.

>>186934
>Mikami says, in no soft or implicit terms, that he finds the popularity of a game like Kingdom Hearts both surprising and ridiculous. Despite Disney being for women and kids [*as he says], the game found itself both targeted and successful with an adult market.
>He then brings up his own Biohazard remake, which came out the last week of March slightly before Kingdom Hearts. He comments on an episode he has when he was watching people's reaction to Kingdom Hearts as it was being displayed on a store monitor. He saw a pair of girls look intensely at the game, eventually walk by it, then pause and be like "Actually, I want this..." Mikami's reaction to this is like "What!? What are you, stupid?!"
>As a follow-up example to this, he brings up a secretary working in his own office. She also made a lot of noise about how much she wanted Kingdom Hearts, and eventually bought a copy. Mikami said to her: "Why the hell did you buy that game? I bet you don't even know the difference between Pooh and Goofy."

Holy shit dat buttfrustration. Sorry your own game isn't selling so well, but no need to take it out on other people's games just because they're more popular. Shinji Mikami is the literal definition of a manbaby.

Does Jack Tretton stepping down a serious issue business wise?

http://time.com/14737/unexpected-sony-playstation-honcho-jack-tretton-stepping-down/

Or just a simple bump in the road?

>>187353

Rumor is that "Politics" pushed him out and there's been talk of infighting in Sony the last few days. Your US CEO upping and leaving off a successful product launch is a big indication of trouble in paradise.

>>187494
Ouch. I really did not expect all this. Just bad news after bad news.

>>186759
The fact that there are daily Sony "bankruptcy" threads should tell you most ppl are here to troll and make fuss. They have no skin/positions in the game.

Sony is also not interesting enough of an investment vehicle to warrant a general.

>>186343
Good. More executives and branches they fire or replace, the better.

>>187017
When you actually see the results, you would be too late to the initial gap up.

Another green day on tokyo exchange. Sony will break $18 tomorrow

>>187569
>The fact that there are daily Sony "bankruptcy" threads should tell you most ppl are here to troll and make fuss. They have no skin/positions in the game.

It wasn't just trolling those. There was a numerous financial media noting the fact there was mutiple losses that came from them.

If Sony made profits like Mircosoft nobody would give a shit. It doesn't because it's clear they made mistakes throughout 2011-2014.

>>187569
>When you actually see the results, you would be too late to the initial gap up.
We sell results when their profitability is better.


>Another green day on tokyo exchange. Sony will break $18 tomorrow

That's great, but we not talking about just stocks. The fact the biggest investor left the company despite not being confidence with them, and how Moody, which is a research investor rating service drop their credit rating to near low tier credit and they are stilling waiting for the profits to go up.

https://www.moodys.com/credit-ratings/Sony-Corporation-credit-rating-786705

Srs? Their DSLRs just barely started competing with Canon and Nikon. Fuck. Oh well.

>>187559
The infighting is also happening in their companies; The main writer for the Uncharted series left Naughty Dog and there was that thread on /v/ with a guy who made the AI in TLoU.
Sure, it's /v/ so take it with a silo of salt.
http://pastebin.com/wgCKFyhz
http://archive.foolz.us/v/thread/234012918/#234013360

>>188181
I read that thread when it was live. Would have meant nothing if all of this disastrous PR didnt all go off in such a manor as it did. Such timing is beyond coincidence.

>>188222
That's the thing. And there's also the fact we're getting a TLoU, Ratchet and Heavenly Sword movies because they can get people who don't own Sony consoles to buy them to play those games. It's like a panic button; a very shitty one at that.

>>187494
>Rumor

Cite your sauce.

>>179965
This

this is awful. I honestly hope they can begin to recover their loses soon. I'm not very optimistic about that though.

>>187017

The telegraph article is an interesting lead. The core philosophy Hirai is tauting sounds like the basis of company that is capable of steady, consistent growth through diverse business ventures in the long term. The problem of course is that Sony doesn't have 5+ years to regain their traction, and need to focus their energies into efforts that will keep the company afloat in the short term, as well as encourage dominance in the long.

>>188263
They're also making a sly movie as well, and has plans to make YEARLY Spiderman movies.

>>187353
he presented and run the past 5 E3 for Sony tho

the problem of CEO leaving on time of crisis is that only a really few are willing to take over the mess that is left behind

>>164634
This is why you don't do consoles when peoples aren't interested in them, this means for both sony and microsoft.

Maybe if they stopped asking for absurd prices for the game at launch, they would have their life a bit easier.

>>188018
>That's great, but we not talking about just stocks. The fact the biggest investor left the company despite not being confidence with them, and how Moody, which is a research investor rating service drop their credit rating to near low tier credit and they are stilling waiting for the profits to go up.

Some investors leave, some will get on board. That's business.

Retailers simply does not have enough power to move stocks above a couple billion mkcp. Stock price movements is directly correlated with investor confidence

>It wasn't just trolling those. There was a numerous financial media noting the fact there was mutiple losses that came from them.

What sector of Sony is so important that we need to a thread talking about it every day since /biz/ creation? Everything have been discussed to death. This thread is only alive because of ps4 trolling

>>189258

It's interesting to me because there's ALWAYS some story about Sony. Bad Oscar presence, selling ANOTHER HQ, Tretton stepping down, etc. It just keeps going

>>176071
well maybe if bill murray got off his ass and did the movie 4 years ago when they were talking about it he'd lived long enough to be in it

>>190444
>well maybe if bill murray got off his ass and did the movie 4 years ago when they were talking about it he'd lived long enough to be in it

I don't blame Bill Murray one goddamn bit.

Seriously, the way movies are now, it's good ghostbusters 3 hopefully never coming out.

First time /biz/ poster here...

I like Sony..... I am posting on my xperia tablet right now and will probably buy a SONY phone in the next few weeks.

I don't own a PS4 but I'd like one..

When I worked as a camera operator the SONY. Video camera was the only piece of reliable equipment.

I also plan on dropping several grand on some Sony camera equipment in the next few months for jobs that I have planned.

>>191538
Unfortunately, there may be too few customers like you left to Sony these days.

>>189258
Welcome to 4Chan, a place with specific interests that crossover to other boards. If Shueisha was possibly undergoing breakup talks people from /a/ interested in business would be talking about it here.

Half the threads in /biz/ are fucking Buttcoins and you are bitching about Sony threads when there is news about them recently (multiple divisions) and they have their tentacles in tons of other 4Chan boards(/tv/, /co/, /v/, /g/). Not only that but 4chan is weaboo central and Sony is one of the last old guard Japanese manufacturers doing what they do.

Also the board is not just called "investing." Your desire for everyone to not only have skin in the game but flaunt it on an anonymous message board is pathetic.

>>191636
Just filter and move on.

He's just a shitposter from /v/, he's been at it for days now.

Sony has been pissing on its customers and unapologetically dropping the ball for a long while now. For a Japanese company they really don't seem to have a very Japanese philosophy on product and service quality or taking responsibility when they fuck up. This is basically the result of acting like your company is invincible and being pricks.

I just feel sorry for the littler people working hard in all the various sub-divisions who put in 110% and deal with cooperate not letting them do what they need to do who now have to watch the whole thing collapse.

>>187302
Wow. Seriously what the fuck is his problem? Biohazard has been shit since they switched it to a fucking action game for babies with no "survival" element at all. How dare he piss on a well-received series out of such butthurt for no other reason than it being "for women and babies".

Maybe if you made fucking games that were compelling outside of the 12-15 douchbag demographic (that also weren't forgettable action crap that consistantly gets shit rating) you wouldn't have to be so fucking jelly.

What is the deal with Pachter?
His opinions about Sony and especially about PS4 seem uninformed and not taking into account the bigger picture.
Is it because he is one of the few people that actually "covers" gaming business?

>>189258
Sony stock is still a shadow of what it used to be, Loeb left because he wanted to increase the shareholder value to it. Howard Stringer got the boot because Stockholders in Japan got pisseed at how many times Sony losses. Investor don't like billion loss, they appointed Hirai to appove of them. Sony's mkcp has drop from 100 billion to 54 to 18 billions.


There is a full charts that have shown they been a downhill for ten years
http://www.wikinvest.com/wiki/Sony
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-15/sony-s-100-billion-lost-supports-loeb-breakup-real-m-a.html


Sony has been criticised for years for their flukes with or without the gaming media. When Wikipedia tells you this, there has been articles as far back as 2012 spelling the same things that /biz/ has been saying about SOny.

http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2012/09/08/the-ten-year-decline-of-sony/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony
http://informationarbitrage.com/post/698364613/howard-stringer-of-sony-the-corporate-britney-spears

The reason why Sony gets so much shit for this is because their electronic manufactor has caused never-ending loss for years, they didn't something to change it much, much earlier. It's been revealed that the previous CEO wanted them lower . They are literally the reason why Sony has lost so much over the year.

>>191820

You should read this interview. It's eye opening

https://archive.foolz.us/biz/thread/124639/

>>192144

Same with any Analyst. Throws out nuggets for the public but the real meat is for people who pay.

But they call Analysts "Anal Cysts" in business for a reason and it's more they ain't always right.

>>191820
>Wow. Seriously what the fuck is his problem? Biohazard has been shit since they switched it to a fucking action game for babies with no "survival" element at all. How dare he piss on a well-received series out of such butthurt for no other reason than it being "for women and babies".

Pretty sure that interview is from 2002 so by then it wasn't even a series

>>191820
Just fyi, Biohazard 4 was the last Resident Evil game the guy worked on. He quit / was forced to leave Capcom after.

i never was a sony fanboy but it makes me sad to see them go what they have done to and for the world of video games is somthing no one else has ever come close to

>free online

>constant stream of serious mature video games

>brought GTA 3 into the public domain

>combated consorship within video games

>has portable video game systems

>sold more PS2s than any of its competitor systems during the great counsel wars

>sonic

>helped invent the CD

>viaos look better than any other computer

>>192144
The man can say whatever he wants and get away with it because no one in their right mind would invest in video games anyway. There's a reason /v/ says the opposite of what Pachter says will come true. He mostly just parrots what big gaming media/"journalists" are already saying.

>>192770
>i never was a sony fanboy but it makes me sad to see them go what they have done to and for the world of video games is somthing no one else has ever come close to

Am I being trolled here?

>>free online
Unlike Nintendo, Sony strayed off from that with PS4.
>>constant stream of serious mature video games
You mean triple-A crap?
>>brought GTA 3 into the public domain
...What?
>>combated consorship within video games
That's developers and publishers, Sony was never in that spot.
>>has portable video game systems
All of which were not successful, PSP only survived because of piracy and emulators and Vita is a failure, because Sony isn't supporting it.
>>sold more PS2s than any of its competitor systems during the great counsel wars
Granted selling PS2s as dvd players was a brilliant move and probably their most shrewd choice when it comes to console manufacturing, but consolewars are not a subject that should be discussed here.
And winning or losing a console war is completely irrelevant to anyone but retarded fanboys, like you.
>>sonic
Are you really that goddamn ignorant?
>>helped invent the CD
They did work on the concept of smaller laserdiscs at the same time as Phillips, but Phillips had larger part in CDs than Sony did, they did however collaborate later.
>>viaos look better than any other computer
What kind of a macfag reasoning is this?

>>>/v/
And stay there.

>>192788
this

>>192770

You are an idiot.

>>192770

Every one of those points is arguable and/or very outdated now.

IF SONY STOPS MAKING HARDWARE THEY'LL BE DEAD TO ME

WHAT A WASTE, ONE OF THE ALL TIME GREAT INDUSTRY DEFINING CONSUMER BRANDS

>>192788
you mean to tell me sony wasnt the first to have free online?

and nintendo's online blows

there are hundreds of mature games for sony systems that are amazing

and they did combat censorship in video games

and i mentioned nothing about how successful they were, they have ps2 graphics and are portable

the sonic thing was a joke you cunt

and stop arguing facts

and its proof they make a beautiful looking computer which is highly relevant to the computer buying market at large these days

>>192770

You do know that GTA 3 was offered to MS first as an exclusive that MS had to turn down due to them not wanting a controversial launch, right?

(Read that first Dean Takashi book about the Xbox. It's pretty good. Also reveals how dirty Sony started getting where they were straight up paying publishers to not release games on GC or Xbox)

>>192811
>you mean to tell me sony wasnt the first to have free online?
Sega had the first free console online.
>and nintendo's online blows
Its not as good as PSN, but it is still free.
>there are hundreds of mature games for sony systems that are amazing
Why the need to specify 'mature' games? Not being 'mature' doesn't automatically mean a game is bad, and being 'mature' doesn't automatically make it good.
>and they did combat censorship in video games
The publishers had all the control.
>and i mentioned nothing about how successful they were, they have ps2 graphics and are portable
If graphics defined how good it was, everyone would use tablets.
>the sonic thing was a joke you cunt
"I was just pretending"
>and stop arguing facts
Opinions.
>and its proof they make a beautiful looking computer which is highly relevant to the computer buying market at large these days
Maybe if you are apple. Functionality > looks.

>>192827
this guy knows, if GTA3 didnt get released to this day we wouldnt have violent video games

back then it was highly controversial if a video game allowed you to use a flamethrower on random NPCs


sony helped to combat lawsuits and stood aginst senator liberman who wanted to outlaw violent video games

>>192849

You misread me kid.

MS were interested but didn't want it as a launch game as Halo was enough trouble and the first time a major figurehead 1st party launch title was M-Rated so they could only offer them a 2002 release when the heat died down. Rockstar wanted it out that year and put it on PS2 instead. Sony locked them to a hefty exclusivity contract after it sold. When Jack Thompson came calling. No one gave a damn and Sony brushed him off.

Thing is, Sony did jack shit unless it benefited Sony. See their various MPAA and RIAA shenanigans. They were just protecting their interests. Not fighting censorship (Have you seen "This film is not yet rated?". Sony is one of the worst for supporting MPAA censorship).

>>192770
>>free online
Not anymore.

>>constant stream of serious mature video games
Ah, yes, mature games for mature gamers like yourself.

>>brought GTA 3 into the public domain
what

>>combated consorship within video games
Developers, man.

>>has portable video game systems
...That are vastly inferior to Nintendo's.

>>sold more PS2s than any of its competitor systems during the great counsel wars
Yes, because sales equal quality.

>>sonic
I think you were going too fast and missed the Sega logo.

>>helped invent the CD
Phillips did more.

>>viaos look better than any other computer
And?

>>193012

Reminder that Sony passed up one of the biggest joint venture opportunities of all time

http://www.engadget.com/2014/02/05/steve-jobs-sony-vaio-mac-os-x/

>>186972
you sounds like a retarded kid, my PS1 and PS2 still work

all my friends had PS2 and I don't know a single one that broke

that shit was unheard of post-crash and until Xbox

>>192849
>if GTA3 didnt get released to this day we wouldnt have violent video games
It would have still been out on PC for real gamers

>>193038
SONY IS THE ONLY MASS MARKET ELECTRONICS BRAND ON APPLE'S LEVEL

ALL THE KOREANS BRAND ARE PLEB SHIT, SO ARE THE CHINESE

no shilling

>>192772
Didn't he quit because Capcom ported RE4 into the PS2 behind his back when he originally intended RE4 to be a Gamecube exclusive?

>>192827
>(Read that first Dean Takashi book about the Xbox. It's pretty good

>Opening the Xbox: Inside Microsoft's Plan to Unleash an Entertainment Revolution

This one?

>>193430

Bingo. Very good book. Deals with a lot of business behind it including the investment into servers which was a stealth ploy to get into more online enterprise services (Which investors hated)

>>193174
That was the straw that broke the camel's back iirc, he already hated working with Capcom.

>>193551
Is there a digital version of this book? I can't find it.

I'm not crying Sony's made nothing but shit products for the last 10 years

>>164787
>Cut hours of cleaning crew. Hire more execs
>Hire more execs
> Hire more execs

Management is gonna run out like a bandit with peoples money

>>194508
There is article from the same guy who made the book at venturebeat which

I can't link but the article is called.

the-making-of-the-xbox-part-2


Here is articile about it, but it talks about Sony exclusive contract with RockStar. It also goes to depth to why Mircosoft spend 4 billion on the Xbox, and which is because of the growing powerful server division profits.

>>195425
Yeah i seen that article, looks like there's no digital version of this book, that makes me sad.