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>>18115101
WE GOT TOO COCKY BULLBROS!

dropped 3k on XOM calls, how'd i i do lads

cmon, it's over

Closin in on 400% for 2020

I don't respect women, bros

BULLBROS HAVE GOTTEN TOO COCKY

>>18115116
Might as well have gone to the casino.

>>18115097
Only from 2008. Not really that oldfag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKiCV6CG4Sc

I'm out bros I'm out

>>18115134

This is bullish and priced in

Screen cap this for tomorrow when we're up another 6% and bears lose everything for choosing to hold over the weekend.

>>18115137
kek

Is there any anime about cute girls trading stocks?

Markets will never go up again.

>>18115157
Felig a green monday but no clue friday

ONLY UP

>>18115116
I think you'll do well, XOM is going to get pumped soon, everyone's mentioning it but it hasn't gotten the Boeing/Chevron treatment yet

>>18115137
Could be worse, he could have lit it on fire by buying puts.

>>18115161
Not really stocks but there's C

It is on!

>>18115161
Euphoria is the only one I can think of, it even captures the experience of a being a bearbro among multiple bulls

ok bros lets get rich

How many years before bears give up on saying "bulltrap"?

p r i c e d i n ?
https://mobile.twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1243331459978493953

>>18115161
C - The money of soul and possibility control
Spice & Wolf
Kakegurui has a bit but it's more of a straight gambling anime

>>18115184
So we sell next week?

>>18115202
they've been complaining since 2009, so probably never

>>18115216
No, anon in that Pic will be wrong.

>>18115198
This is a good time
Just go long quality thats less effected
U can rotate post q1 er if you wanna play for more gains into really fucked sectors

Im long some tech stuff

Holding through the weekend bros.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hx4gdlfamo

>>18115202
I'll feel comfortable that the bottom really was Monday if we can go more than a week without a 1000+ point high volatility swing fest

>new york goes to shit
>mainly worthless gig economy workers and outdated retail workers out of work
>anyone with half an iq point realizes these people were mostly subsisting on gibs
This is how you get dow 50000

>>18115251
Not cupkake world!!!

>>18115220
The entire market is a bulltrap.
It was rigged from the start.

>>18115198
Ok


How?

Tomorrow will be redder than anything any of us could have ever imagined and it will come as a surprise crushing all hopes the bulls had and the bears will reign supreme for hours to come after open. Screenshot this or your future daughter will be raped by a pack of ferrel niggers and her carcass will be used by the homeless as a makeshift fleshlight till her corpse fully decays.

>>18115251
Shelly is so fucking HOT

>>18115190
>euphoria
Kek

I remember when I learned about efficient market theory back in school that it was largely regarded as trash and more of a gigantic case of confirmation bias. Because if it were true there would never be crashes unless there were supernatural events like terrorist attacks.
I did not see its potential shitpost value though. Kicking myself. PRICED IN

>>18115262
i bet it opens green as fuck and then dumps to all hell after all bobos have lost hope.

>>18115251
Kek when people realize 60% of usa economy is just velocity shit from real drivers and this has way less effect than people think

Have we hit bottom or not?

>>18115262
Lmao that threat

I WANT TO MAKE A BABY
WITH A CUTE AND FUNNY
ADULT LADY

>>18115274
>Fucking everyone over
Subarashi, Mr. Powell. Did Lord Bog order this?

Why are people crying about manipulation? The government broadcasts it to the whole world before they do it

>>18115277
No. The S&P will bottom below 2000 within the next two months.

>>18115272
Because you make wayyyy more money on human emotion

Imagine if entire market was warren buffet and trading in it

>muh economic collapse
Fucking cope bears

I’m kind of retarded, but are stocks every like Wolf on Wall Street where they “know” when to go in and when to sell it is it mostly just a gamble?

>>18115262
i hope so. bulls are insufferable.

>>18115161
Not really. Anime we have [C] - The money of soul and possibility of control but it's more pet fights with a somewhat markets background.

We have mangas like Investor Z and Billionaire Girl.

We also have a lot of gambling stuff like Kaiji, One Outs and Akagi.

>>18115277
Yes. DOW 18.5k was bottom

>>18115262
yeah uhhhhh, based department?

>>18115299
For those firms type its mostly insider info or gambling

Not much inbetween

>>18115277
it shouldn't really matter if you've thought about asset allocations in advance. stocks go down, rebalance. stocks go up, rebalance. take all of the emotion out of it, it helps.

>>18115262
>ferrel

I’m very new to this shit, but I’ve been looking at trends over the past year, assuming that the stocks will get near to what they were then. So I tell my girlfriend, so she fucking invests in AMC. I check and see the most they’ve been worth a share is $10. Why do women do this?

>futures not oscillating back
>everything red now
>AUS dumping hard
uh oh

>>18115262
Lmfao, cope harder bears. You missed the dip

Futures red but it doesn't matter for fucking shit. Go ahead Jerome, pump it up to 3k tomorrow.

How many deaths per day are priced in at this point? 500?

>>18115262
>ferrel

Bullish or simply priced in?

>>18115291
Because that's a different schedule from the ETF pumping they're doing.

____ _ ___

>>18115161
Past Regressor is good.

Oil bros from previous thread status check. Has the oil jihad commenced and are we safe from the kung flu? Also any undiscovered oil gems you've been talking about. Heard about SSL, maybe, but its a south african company though it does seem to have a boer influence.

>>18115328
It literally doesn't matter how red futures are, Jerome is going to print enough.

It's entirely possible we'll see 20 trillion fed-owned assets by the end of the year.

>>18115251
the farmers are going to be the ones that win in the end

ALL IN ON BBOS

SUCK SHIT BULLKEKS

>>18115262
The DOW'd have to dump over 2000 again for anyone to even bat an eye at this point, I think your prediction is too ridiculous to even screencap.
As for your threat well if I ever allowed myself to be so cucked as to be raising a daughter I would hope one of my bros would kill me to save me the life of shame.

>>18115299
In bull markets you get money for nothing. Bear markets are a gambling world for the smaller guys.

>>18115085
Good afternoon stock faggots, I'm going to need to see some sauce for that

>>18115262
I’m deep in puts but I know you’re that guro tranny and I don’t want to be on the same side as you because you probably don’t even lift, make under 95k and work in IT on top of having a severe mental illness

>those futures

>>18115343
thats a man

>>18115347
Those oil production increases aren't even going into effect until April. You don't know what you're doing.

Today was your last chance to cash out and lock in gains

No one is going to want to hold over the weekend and when everyone realises that the U.S. has #1 cases of corona and the shitty jewed 3rd world health infrastructure can't keep up next week will be deep red

>>18115328
Why do we even give a shit about non-Us markets? They all just mimick the US anyways.
If Bayer and VW have stellar quarters, but the US doesnt the DAX will dump. If Toyota presents great data but the DOW has a slump then good bye Nikkei.

>>18115262
fuck you

>>18115374
Yes.

>>18115366
S&p has been negative annualized return since i started my acct. Doggy dog world out there

>>18115336
all of them

>>18115262
Jesus dude. So edgy.

>>18115375
I am an American after all if I don't know what I am doing, that means my enemy will be also confused.

>>18115363
Stop getting crazy over a 0.8% down. 2% was pumped in 3 minutes earlier today.

>>18115382
everything is connected by algos

>>18115347
I'm guessing the SSL pump is over at this point, since it fell down from +50% to +25% before close.

Really everything is a deal right now, just make sure you're looking about book value and debt load. Nobody's actually going to go bankrupt from this and even if they do, their book values are through the roof even with the debt loads so they should be able to negotiate and acquisition from some bigger oil company rather than just sell everything in bankruptcy court.

>>18115368
Use saucenao faggot

Not expecting an actual answer but how the fuck do options even work? I understand the aspect of buying the ability to sell or buy something at a certain price. This is all fine and dandy stuff. What I don't understand is literally selling the option. Are you now liable to provide said stocks? What happens if the guy who bought it from you, sells it to another guy? Are you now free from the contract?

>>18115379
Cope harder, sucks that you lost money on your SPY puts

>>18115379
>No one is going to want to hold over the weekend
That has been said every fucking weekend this month and only one was red.

>>18115251
Watching these consoomer industries crumble brings such warmth to my soul

>>18115414
There's no time, my dick is already out

If you think people are lying about NYC hospitals being hit bad, realize this. It’s bad enough that NYU, Columbia, and Mt Sinai are graduating the 4th year medical students early so they can work ASAP as emergency temporary residents. That shit is a wartime policy and doesn’t happen often if ever.

>>18115417
No every chain of people who touched it get to execute whenever they want

Its an infinite energy machine

Some important people at my previous job are now getting laid off. It appears things are worse than we ever thought.

>>18115368
>>18115414
IT'S LITERALLY IN THE OP
FUCKING READ

WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU

>>18115417
If you sell to close, then you relinquish the contract and the other party cannot exercise it.

Selling to open carries the risk of the option buyer exercising it on you.

>>18115422
I'm an Australian, we can't buy puts. I hold gold miners and a U.S. ETF so I've lost only like 5%.

If you look at the GFC it spiked before plummeting back down again.

>>18115429
Sauce it in the OP you coomer

>>18115431
Honestly its like a play by play of Italys attempts to stop the second wave of the spanish flu.

They gave entire hospitals to be run by a single first year medical student, issued quarantine orders between towns requiring people to have passports to cross, and then issued as many masks as they could.

>>18115251
based

>>18115449
Stop looking at gfc

Its noise

>>18115433
Where at?

>>18115436
I came here to COOM not to read a load of garbage

bullish

>>18115432
What if you get picked out of everyone but don't have the stocks or cash? What if literally no one out of the whole group has whats written on the contract?

>>18115417
Every option has an expiration date. Until that date the option contract has a price based on the underlying asset, time till expiration and volatility and it can be traded from person to person at that price. When it expires the holder then has the right to buy or sell the asset at the strike price. If you trade it before the expiration date then yeah you're free, if you hold it when it expires then you actually have to deal with the asset.

>>18115417
if you buy an option and then sell it off, you are selling your right to exercise the option.

just bought a bunch of spy calls at close. im gonna make so much money bros. who here /bullgang/?

>>18115289
i bet the bogs fucking did. I'm 30% 3x inverse etfs, about 40% stocks and index etfs, 30% cash.

How fucking delusional do you have to be to be a communist? They've been saying "this is the end of capitalism" for hundreds of years. At some point you have to admit that it's a secular version of christianity and you're waiting for your second coming of christ, saying it's just around the corner, attempting to immanentize the eschaton. Give it up you dumbfuck insects

I feel like such a retard holding ETFs instead of picking stocks when I see shit that is obviously oversold by like 80% pump 30% 3 days in a row. But I know that as soon as I buy it'll dump 90%.

>18115417
as in, no, unless you wrote the option, you wont be the one eating shit if it gets exercised on you

>>18115473
Southern California, I worked at a start up company, but they have a very large client that you're probably familiar with that is cutting budgets massively. They mainly service small to medium size businesses.

>>18115431
>>18115459
And yet somehow people here are bullish lol

>>18115497
What expiration?

>>18115489
>90% of monetary benefits accruing to older than 50s
THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS. COOF EM ALL

>>18115326
AMC got hit hard with all the closures and will rebound once they’re reopened, just because the numbers are small doesn’t mean it’s a bad investment. Stop being autistic

USA BTFO

>>18115382
>Why do we even give a shit about non-Us markets? They all just mimick the US anyways.

Exactly, you retard

It's just money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtFyP0qy9XU

>>18115497
YOU FUCKED UP

>>18115523
3/27, 3/30, 4/3

>>18115459
They were missing one key ingredient that makes America far greater and more capable than Shitaly

>>18115539
USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA

>>18115530
Yeah inheritance is becoming most important way to become wealthy and it will onoy get worse each year

>>18115417
I'm newer than this guy. What exactly is an option and does it occur?

>>18115508
real jesus has never been tried before

Bearbros....

Someone care to explain this shit right here?

jyt front page tomorrow

Why should I buy options when I can trade minifutures/certs where I can only lose my investment and still have a good leverage on bear/bull trends? Yeah, they have bigger costs but I they are guaranteed by the banks too

>>18115497
>buying calls at the peak of the bull trap

>>18115417
Also, if there isn’t an immediate buyer, the market makers will snatch it up to keep everything moving. You’re almost always looking to sell to close your option instead of exercising it,

>>18115417
>Are you now liable to provide said stocks?
Pretty much. If you wrote a Call for 10$ and the stock goes to 300$ then you have to buy that and deliver that share at a whatever loss.
>What happens if the guy who bought it from you, sells it to another guy?
Changes nothing for you. The contract is for buying a stock from YOU. And guy A just sold his right to buy from you to guy B.

Follow up:
>So how do I cut my losses or hedge if I write a call and it goes wrong?
You buy a call yourself.

>>18115570
READ THE FUCKING OP
>>18115576
youre fucked, thats what that is

>>18115579
Mb for stock picking

>>18115113
>>18115134
BULLS BTFO!!!

>>18115497
I hope you go fucking broke but then again I have no doubt Powell will be at it again tomorrow.

>>18115578
I can't believe Gantz folded to Bibi. Bibi has serious kikepowers.

>>18115579
Huh? The only thing you might lose if you BUY options is your initial investment.
It works (pretty much) exactly like a warrant from a bank.

>>18115497
i'm buying but not willing to put an expiration on the purchase.

>>18115520
When the only tool that you got is a printer every problem looks like it can be solved by BRRRRRRR.

Also we haven't seen the end of this, this is just the beginning, I wonder how the markets are going to react when China gets its second wave of infections due to a relaxing of their quarantine.

>>18115431
Shoulders look a bit big... varbie?
If you got fake tits, you might not have a problem with a little juice.
>>18115530
Boomers win. Never bet against them, it is literally gambling against the devil himself. I don’t like it. But it is.
>>18115510
Yeah... saw that selloff yesterday in target and Kroger and thought it was dumb as fuck. Look at it today, damn.

>>18115516
I didn’t realize you were so close by!
SoCal chads... buying the cheapies.

>>18115598
load up! we're going to 25k in a week or two

>>18115597
>a single fucking %

>>18115341
the only ETF they are buy ins LQD

>VIX futures mooning
oh no no no NO NO NO

>>18115590
My bad. The one that I'm not seeing, when/what stocks have an expiration date for them?

>>18115612
Then how do retards lose their shirts on WSB? Do they have insane leverages? I started investing yesterday and am 20% up but I havent leveraged much either.

Cant you go into debt with a shitty put/call?

>>18115603
Legit?
Gantz was very disappointing dessssu but a hell of a ride.

Also, bibi is a wartime leader, and with the saudis and Iranians starting shit up, it makes sense. Sometimes I wish we didn’t have our weird term limits, but also I don’t want 10+ years of bush or Obama or trump or something.

>>18115262
>implied superiority
>racism
>anti-bull rhetoric

Why, I never.
Never thought anyone could be this BASED.

>>18115631
don't worry it will be up 8% tomorrow after the bill officially passes, cap this and checkem

Doubt much is gonna happen but the futures are slowly falling and SPY is down to 257 and dropping.

I might set up a few cheap puts pre trading hours. See how the night is.

>The overall positive tone in markets this week -- better market functioning thanks to liquidity injections from central banks and now the stimulus bill in the U.S. to complement the ones we’re seeing in Europe -- I think overall, there’s still a positive tone here,” said Brian Nick, chief investment strategist at Nuveen

WHY ARE INVESTMENT KEKS SO FUCKIN DELUDED
MARKETS AREN'T HEALTHY, IT'S NOT CONFIDENCE

IT'S LITERALLY JUST FUCKING FED PUMPING MONEY

>>18115652
They just go all in on options

>>18115641
>he one that I'm not seeing, when/what stocks have an expiration date for them?
What do you mean anon? Do you mean which stocks offer options? Stocks don't have an expiration date, only options. Do you have a broker? You can go to any blue chip company and see their option section to see what the common expiration dates are.

>>18115638
Even in the incredible scenario of limit down it still doesn't even clear last night's big push up.

>>18115652
If you buy on margin maybe

bobos, i can't take it any more. this week is too demoralizing. my puts will expire worthless and i will just buy a share of tim apple every friday no matter green or red.

>>18115672
Markets wit massive stimulus and a huge runway of dovish environment is bullish

>>18115655
It's not like he didn't have the seats to make a government but he apparently split up his Blue and White coalition to join Bibi alone. No Liberman needed. He Jewed his Jew partners.

>>18115570
In very simplified terms, options are alternatives to actually purchasing stock (although you can also own a stock and purchase an option as insurance).

The name “option” is a clue into what it is; buying an option gives you the option to buy a stock at a particular price (a call) or to sell a stock at a particular price (a put). Again, you don’t actually need to own the stock to do this, it just gives you the option to do so.

For every option purchased, there is a premium; this is the maximum amount you will be able to lose. With that premium paid, you purchase an option that guesses where the stock price will be at a particular expiration date.

You’ll then close the option before the expiration date (unless you’re trying to exercise the option, but that doesn’t really happen too often for this kind of trading) based on when you think is a good time to sell.

TL;DR it’s a bet on whether or not a stock will go up (call) or go down (put)

>>18115672
>chief investment strategist
he's shorting and trying to cuck the common man when they read that article and think its time to BUY BUY BUY

>>18115262
Jokes on you, I have two sons.

How did bill ackman turn 27 million into 2.7 billion.

>>18115652
Some of them abuse leverage and get fucked, others HODL their options until expiration date and they become worthless. Never underestimate the utter stupidity of r*ddit.

Do you guys look at the financials of a company before deciding to invest? A company’s balance sheet and income statement? Or is it just pure trends?

i have over 100k in a bank account, didnt take advantage of the big market the past 4 years. thought this was a sign to get into the market but figured it will still be bad for another month as the quarantine continues and cases and deaths will shoot up, so i didnt pump it all into my 401k

4 days later, market up 20% because the fed is pumping fake money into it and probably gonna keep shooting up anyway. i missed my chance again

>>18115323
>take all of the emotion out of it
Everyone should take this advice to heart. It's really the number one rule for trading and investing. If you're emotionally attached to an equity or are spiritually bullish or bearish, you will set yourself up for failure. You can take a view that trends bullish or bearish, but ultimately you need to make educated guesses about market activity and conditions and distance yourself from intense feelings about your estimations. You will be right and you will be wrong. Learn from your mistakes and try to approach things rationally. That said, shitposting is fun, but don't let it cloud your judgement. If you must follow a /biz/ idol, let it be the almighty crab, for he is forgiving and merciful in the face of periodic volatility.

>>18115709
he got lucky

>>18115672
DONT FIGHT THE FED

>>18115497
F.

>>18115709
Hedge put otm with tons of leverage to someone really dumb

are you guys bullish on cruise stocks?

>>18115679
I've been using Robinhood. I just don't understand shit as of yet.

>>18115437
Who would buy a contract that they can't even exercise?

>>18115711
Look at whichever company ate shit the hardest recently and invest in them, they're getting a bailout guaranteed.

>>18115663
The bill passing is priced in. It's all bad news now for the next four weeks at least, unless there's some deus ex machina miracle cure.

>>18115652
>Then how do retards lose their shirts on WSB?
They take all their money and put it into one move and the move goes wrong.
Or it goes right, they think they are smart and it goes right again and... now they lost it all.

>Do they have insane leverages?
You remember the ""flash crash"". Maybe not? That swas the small dip on February 20th. The SP just dropped 2% out of nowhere. Here that was a moderate annoyance. Over there like 30% probably just lost half their money because they held weekly calls. A small dip like that will wipe away all your positions.

>Cant you go into debt with a shitty put/call?
You can only lose more than you invested if you write an option. If you buy an option your worst loss is 100%. You spend 100$ and lose 100$.

And CFDs and so on but thats another topic.

>>18115706
can you give an example of this using the nomenclature people use for calls/puts? like the thing "240/17 SPY puts" or whatever that i see a lot

>>18115711
mostly memes, mate

>>18115709
by agreeing with some retard that believed there was no way it would crash this much.

>>18115731
You can sell that contract to someone else later

Has anyone ever dealt with TD Ameritrade service? I need to call them but I fucking hate talking on the phone and was thinking if I could maybe solve it by other means.

>>18115721
based

>>18115709
He bought $27M worth of shit and then sold it for $2.7B. It's an activity called "trading".

>>18115652
You can lose a lot by SELLING puts / calls and combinations of them. When you buy options, you don't have to exercise them, you just waste the premium if you don't.

>>18115365
don't make me do it anon

Also ackman basically timed everything perfect even crying on cnbc to juice his buy in a few %

>>18115539
Sweet Jesus they really are the Enemy of the People who hate this country.

>>18115749
calling is the fastest

>>18115764
of course, anything to get drumpf out

>>18115721
How do you educate yourself? The asset allocation thing. Literally impossible if you're an outsider, not in the sense of a crazy freak but in the sense of an uneducated moron

>>18115730
see>>18115706
Good summary.
You can go on Robinhood and look around the interface of the options tab to get a better idea. Why did this Boeing call go up 200% compared to another only up 50%? Why are the further dated options less profitable? Navigating the section might be a good visual aid in addition to looking at investopedia.

>>18115539
>>18115578
doing everything they can to help out my puts, bless these panic merchants

>>18115749
Based phone anxiety poster.

the dude weed lmao said he sold oil today so I immediately bought USO. I dont want to steal his money but its a doggy dog world

>>18115749
Call them, you will get a friendly Pajeet, but they will actually do the needful.

I'm always pleasantly surprised.

>>18115789
what is the point of this cia webm

>>18115784
https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Asset_allocation

>>18115706
Alright, this is starting to make more sense, so basically an option is more of a "safe bet" per say, because it's already the maximum you can lose. So are expiration on in regard to options?

>>18115085
What does this picture have to do with stocks?

>>18115748
So basically, if you never want to be liable you just never sell open contracts? In order words your only clients are other niggers like yourself who have no ability to exercise the contract?

>>18115722
i fought jerome and the fed won

>>18115744
SPY 5/1 200p

This means a put on SPY, priced at 200, expiring 5/1.

This is a bet that is dependent on SPY dropping at least below 200. I’m not sure what the premium on this is, but it would have to hit low enough to make up for the premium as well. Someone more nuanced in options autism can be much more specific than me

>>18115672
>MARKETS AREN'T HEALTHY, IT'S NOT CONFIDENCE
Where did you get that? Everyone here, excluding those who shorted, have huge confidence on the stock market. Bears lost a lot of money because they were betting for the house to fall. If you short, you're literally against the whole world which also makes you a fucking communist.

>IT'S LITERALLY JUST FUCKING FED PUMPING MONEY
Now this is deluded. You took those Fed memes seriously like a retard.

>>18115815
its a bullbro preparing his seed for a young fertile bearcuck's daughter

>>18115695
confidently watch tomorrow. trust yourself on judging if this is a fakeout

>>18115750
post more

>>18115815
Stocks what stocks? We don't talk about stocks here.

>>18115706
Does that mean it's optional to pay for them? Sounds like it's free money if you choose to take the option and no liability if you don't

>>18115750
>VOO dropping to 112
DELUSIONAL

>>18115740
>>18115756
>>18115710
Thanks!

>>18115855
i like to bake unreasonable scenarios into my plan to let me sleep at night, cut me some slack.

>>18115815
It's priced in.

>>18115539
>>18115576
>>18115578
>>18115597
>>18115672

>>18115814

Options are actually the riskiest type of investment to make, simply because of how premiums and expiration dates work. You either need to pay a lot up front for very little profit on something that may or may not happen, or if you’re chasing that big payday, pay less up front for a bet that may or may not happen. Since options are short term, if the market doesn’t move the way you needed it to, there’s no waiting it out. You’re just fucked.

Expiration dates are in regards to options, yes

>>18115830
How much money have you lost YTD birdtranny? You’re always so salty lmao

When I produce a risky fart, is the cost of me shitting myself priced in?

>>18115815
Everything

>>18115744
Put SPY 200 4/3 or SPY 4/3 200p

Option: You go for a put. The right to SELL a stock at a certain price to someone.
Stock: SPY
Strike price: 200$. You gain the right to sell 1 SPY at a price of 200$.
Date: The date when the option expires.

What does that mean for you:
Lets say you bought this option for 3$.
So if the SPY goes to 196$ on the 3rd of April, you could sell it for 200$. A profit of 4$ Minus the 3$ investment.
If it goes to 194$ you would make a profit of 6$. Minus the 3$ investment. A profit of a 100%.

Now there are the Greeks. Lets say the Spy goes down to 201$ an hour after you bought the option.
Can you exercise it? No.
But: The price has already risen a lot because the option has a time value. The option is worth more, if the experation dtae is further away. You can already sell the option for a great profit.

Nobody exercises options btw. We buy them and sell them. Exercising them makes no sense because even on their last day they have a time value.

>>18115744
>>18115825
Specifically on calls and puts, the actual price of the stock has to be at a level under or over the strike price based on how much the premium was.
For example, if you buy X option at $10 strike and the stock price is $10.01 at option expiration, then it will usually expire worthless because it's not worth it for the option holder to exercise that option. Sometimes they might out of spite or if they think the stock will go up soon, though.
It's called the breakeven price and it all varies based on how much the stock is currently worth (the closer the strike of the option to the actual price of the stock the more the premium), the length of time the option is good for (longer timeframes are worth more) and how much volatility there is in a stock (something that rarely goes up or down won't have as valuable options).

>>18115749
Grow up and call them dude

>>18115783
So much about the way this crisis is playing out is rooted in this.

COLONEL BIRX

>/smg/ full of smug bulls
you know whats next

>BOUGHT Regeneron at ~425 today on an order I forgot about

GOT A GOOD FEELING A BOUT THIS

>>18115672
>B. nick at nuveen
Literally fucking who?
No thanks.

>>18115695
Yes. But for me it’s inverse ETFs
>>18115704
It’s politics bud. It’s just like it is here. The politicians are a private club, whoever wins everyone else loses.
>>18115887
Options aren’t investments and neither are shorts or precious metals. They’re hedges and speculations.

>>18115887
Does a "put" refer to putting money up beforehand? And is a "call" like you're calling it (like no country for old men) that the stock will be good?

>>18115887
Long dated for leverage
You can roll too. Move from deep itm to atm etc

They are fun but dangerous

>>18115921
Bobos losing their shirts?

Wait so now that the Fed has carte blanche to buy mortgage backed securities, will they repeat 2008 once wagies can't pay due to the virus?

>>18115892
>You’re always so salty lmao
I bought the dip. Why should I be salty? I haven't even lost anything yet. Salty are those who bought SQQQ, and I have nothing to do with that.

>>18115262
Impossible, there are no niggers in my cellar.

Look at it desperately trying to clear the closing pump, and you think it will be red tomorrow?

>>18115907
>But: The price has already risen a lot because the option has a time value. The option is worth more, if the experation dtae is further away. You can already sell the option for a great profit.
And because the strike price is now way closer and reaching the strike price is way more probably. Also volatility is in play but thats another topic you will learn about when it makes you money or fucks you over for the first time

>>18115925
that is exactly what it is

>>18115921
When DOW fell sub 19000, /smg/ was flooded with gay bears. Seems fair, your time is up bobo.

>>18115852
It’s not free money because you paid a premium to get into the position in the first place.

You have the option, not the obligation to buy/sell the stock. It’s very silly but that’s the difference between actually owning the stock and owning an option. That and the option itself is a speculative bet on the stock price, and the stock is just the stock.

>>18115934
yes as a matter of fact i am salty. these SQQQ bags are heavy.

>>18115937
Kek, Is this you?

>>18115907
>>18115910
i appreciate the time. im so confused, im too fucking stupid to risk my money on this shit.

>>18115491
I thought that was only for futures. Options you are not obliged to do anything when it expires.

VDHG up and BBOZ also up. Blessed day.

>>18115722
Nobody is trying to fight them, more like we're watching in disbelief as they distort the grim realities of the 2020 marketplace while massively debasing currency accrued by fiscally responsible individuals and failing to let the free market be penetrated and exploited by them, as it should be.

>>18115974
>im too fucking stupid to risk my money on this shit
you mean not stupid enough

>>18115764
america belongs to jews, an enemy of america is an ally of the people.

>>18115927
Listen to this man, he knows way more about this than my babby self

>>18115968
Do you have the option to not pay the "premium"?

>bullfags think unlimited BRRRR is healthy for the economy
You are in for a grim remainder: you can't print yourself out of economic disaster.

How much have people actually invested in stocks and how much have all of you either lost/gained.

>>18116003
nig are you serious right now

>>18115922
Technically an investment because you’re committing money to something in anticipation of more money, but I’m being a semantical faggot

>>18116003
lol i fucking wish

>>18116007
$1000
If I had just sat with what I bought on monday I'd have like $1400-1600 right now but instead I decided to short the bottom of the dip

>>18116007
I bought 100 shares of boeing 3 days ago but I lost the sticky note with my Ameritrade account login info so idk how much I've made, is there a way to find out without logging in?

>>18116020
no, it's speculation. not investment.

>>18115974
In truth, unless you're an insider or have a ton of time to devote to researching companies, it's really not worth it to trade in calls and puts.
I only do covered calls to generate income and the occasional put to secure an investment. Just the covered calls alone can make me an extra 10-20% a year.

>>18116004
Fed memes are priced in.

>>18116003
no, you have to pay the premium in order to have the option

>>18115974
Eh. Youll get a hang of it.
The most important thing I learned is not to gamble on shit stuff. Stuff like biomemes and so on. Only invest in something you understand and only with money you can afford to lose. If you lose sleep over stocks you invested too much. Even if it works out.

Also most here have no idea whats going on right now and if you are in the game for two days you might as well just watch for now and see the funny colours go up and down. Way smarter people than us are frustrated with this market.

>>18116007
I'm up over 13% initial investment. I liquidated. You can't go broke earning a profit.

>>18115934
Keep on Truckin fellow bull

Didnt this exact same thing happened in 2001 and 2008? Granted 2008 was more to do with institutional investors but 2001 wasn’t.

What is Ben Bernanke saying about the crisis this time around?

>>18116007
i have 13k in right now boomer investing and have lost 10k doing options and penny stocks

>>18116007
I put in 7500 last week because the crash is over, I'm up 1300.

>>18116007
i'm up 5% on 2.5k which is about 20% of my liquid worth. I'm playing to minimize losses on my 401(k) which i moved from cash about a week ago.
I'm a poorfag degenerate gambler.

>>18116043
The best strategy in market is long+covered calls. Its the casino house

>>18115585
Let me get this straight.

You can write a call -> someone (whoever owns the contract and exercises it) will then buy x amount of stock from you at price
You can sell a call (that you had bought from someone else at some point) -> profit (or lose) from premium and you're off the hook
Same thing with puts.

>>18116012

>>18116036
“The action or process of investing money for profit or material result”

“A thing that is worth buying because it may be profitable or useful in the future”

It’s a speculative investment, I’ll definitely agree with that

Either way you’re not actually buying into the stock, you’re buying into a speculative process, which is still a thing

>>18116052
Crab friday iffy
Bull monday

>>18115920
i love her so much, bros

>>18116051
But isn't it optional?

In a regular market, does /SMG/ use Iron Condors and Strangles to make free money? Is it best to do them on index funds instead of individual funds?

>>18116068
>because the crash is over
Nice crystal ball hope it pays off for you. (it won't)
Your buy and hope strategy is a losing one.

>>18116068
>>18116065
Poorfags
>>18116065
This is good bait

>>18116007
In for ~3k, made 230 on Mon, put it back in on Tues and now I'm down $500.

>>18116102
There is no hoping.

The crash is over.

>>18116088
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/09/difference-between-investing-speculating.asp

I'm a complete faggot who has nickel and dimed my finances since I was a kid, always worried about wasting money, conserving money, not buying dumb shit, worrying about saving a few bucks here and there

Then I get to my adult life and even though everyone makes money on the market, I'm too afraid to put any of my money into it so I've lost probably thousands of possible gains

I FUCKING HATE BEING A BEAR

but I love Deborah

>>18116073
>You can write a call -> someone (whoever owns the contract and exercises it) will then buy x amount of stock from you at price
Yes
>You can sell a call (that you had bought from someone else at some point) -> profit (or lose) from premium and you're off the hook
If you buy an option you are never on the hook. The most you can lose is the money you paid initially.

I think you watching this is easier than me writing it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJgHkAqohbU

>>18116089
My guess as well.
But I didnt put my money where my mouth is.. yet

>>18115984
they were created to stem market malfunctions that lead to severe economic contradictions such as the Depression

i just want to warn the tourists reading /smg/ today. the posts you're seeing are a combination of gamblers and long term investors, unfortunately you will not be able to tell the difference between the two. i recommend reading the OP and educating yourselves instead of listening to random people on the internet before you put your hard earned neetbux at risk.

>>18116142
You lose 100 percent of the money you don't win on the market

>>18116134
I think ffridays red get s bought hard into close if it even lasts to close

>>18116102
>Nice crystal ball hope it pays off for you.
Aren't you the one with a crystal ball here?

Finna drop £15k on Slack.

Some some please stop me

>>18116142
>lost
Technically you lost nothing, because you didn't invest. You saved.

>>18116163
so youre saying i should buy more spy shorts?

>>18116163
This man is deceiving you. Don't believe his lies

>>18116163
Unironically thanks for the advice .

>>18116142
Yes
Look up index funds
they beat most managed stuff you csn buy in NOW and be very happy

Put ur money to work asap

>>18116163
any retard who would come here for investment advice and not blatant bear/bull shitposting deserves to go broke.

>>18116163
you've got to go back to wallstreet bets faggot

I'm so fucking SICK OF IT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>18116163

where do you think we are?

>>18116137
I mean I’m just using the dictionary definition of investment, I’m sure that finance professionals have different definitions based on risk assessment

And that’s all I’m going to invest into this semantic ass conversation

>>18116147
Brix and Fauci are like Trump's 2 shoulder spirits. Brix is the angel that always sugarcoats things and Fauci is the devil being very pessimistic about mostly everything.

>>18116163
Only a complete tool takes anything here at face value.
I come here to shitpost, discuss and maybe get some ideas of stocks to look into. Some "BUY OGI, YOU NIGGAS!" made me look into OGI before its stellar earnings. Same with BYND. 90% goes straight into the trash though.

Has the government or banks agreed to suspend mortgage payments? A lot of people will eat shit once they don't have the incoming to make the payments.

>Best Health tech in the world
>Had 3 weeks heads ups
>"Dude America is gonna get REKT by this"
Literally Italy told you what would happen.

I have a Masters degree in Economics.

Ask me anything.

>>18115597

NOOOOO NOT THE FUTERINOS!!!

>>18116163
Indexed and lowcostETFpilled

Friendly new bread
>>18116245
>>18116245
>>18116245

>>18116252
Why did you waste all that time, anon?

>>18116242
He hasn't even mentioned side effects of recover or the drugs they keep pushing. Why don't they talk about that at these bullshit press conferences?

I could spend 100 hours reading about options, and still have literally no idea what the fuck. glad to see other brainlets itt.

>>18116252
Are you buying, holding, or selling?
Why are you doing that?

>>18116252
Where were you when you found out that Economics is junk science

>>18116007
$800

$20 loss

>>18116252
Big line go up or down

>>18116222
you should at least be aware of the distinction, in investment terminology, between speculating and investing. not going to argue with trips though.

>>18116007
$600
$15 gain

Pence/Birx 2020

>>18116424

I've had enough I'm going to wsb, at least they make some money there. I'm tired of delusional bulls who yell priced in all day like a bunch of fucking animals. The fucking loliposters ruin my mood as well, what the fuck is this? And the weak handed bears, who cry it's over every time the market jumps $10. If you're too stupid to see that the market is incredibly, artificially inflated right now you're fucking crazy. Prepare to eat shit when it collapses next week when the real infection numbers kick in and unemployment hits 4mil making a total of nearly 7.5 mil unemployed muricans which is roughly 2,5% of the workforce. Take care.

>>18116007
$2000
$35 gain

>>18116406
This is a very fair and reasonable point to my neverending faggotry

>>18116406
This is a very fair and reasonable point to my neverending faggotry

>>18116270
I watched one youtube video on it and am an expert now.
It's like horse races but with stocks.

>>18115140
are they still planning to make James Bond female?

>>18116509
see you tomorrow anon

>>18116252
See the sad thing about a guy like you is in about 50 years you’re gonna start doing some thinking on your own and you’re gonna come up with the fact that there are two certainties in life. One, don't do that. And two, you dropped a hundred and fifty grand on a fuckin’ education you coulda got for a dollar fifty in late charges at the Public Library.

>>18115539
>yet another twitter user actually believing chinese numbers

>>18116853
You like apples? How ya like DEM apples!