/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>18071645
I'd like to bet that we hit circuit breaker 1 today.

>>18071653
Today is crab day. Save the circuit breaker for tomorrow.

SQQQ is gonna jump to 30 r-right guys?

You are checking your stocks between a nice steak and arcade games, right?

>>18071632
about the only fun I had with dota was listening to pyrion flax's guides

The fed's use of the infinite printer reminds me of his guide to Silencer

>>18071653
Fuck that let's go for all 3

>>18071670
Pflax is r*ddit

Btw no breaker today. The bots have learned not to trip it

Tomorrow we only get febs unemployment numbers right? Febs doesn’t even seem that bad, most things didn’t start shutting down until March. California and New York didn’t even get shutdown until mid March.

>>18071653
I'd like 2 breakers

i'm still kind of memeing the thought, but i guess i was also memeing the thought that my exams would get cancelled due to corona, and that happened as well.

is this the point where we should start prepping for the imminent collapse of the world economy?
the virus makes no sign of slowing down, even in western countries that have long been locked down, and some of the countries where corona is only starting to spread (us and uk) are badly prepared both in terms of their health care and their leaders trivializing the issue.

Shouldn't things go up with the stimulus package passing?

>>18071707
Priced in

>>18071707
Clown world

>>18071707
Already priced in.

>>18071707
jesus the stimulus is priced in and ppl sell the news

Yesterday I had steak. Today I'll have soup.

>>18071701
A bunch of niggers getting gibs isn’t gonna make the market go up

today is going to be another record day. probably end up 7% up.

this shit is insanity honestly.

>>18071707
With the inflation it'll cause, the market is only worth 85 cents on the dollar.

>>18071738
7% down*

>>18071666
How are they open?

We'll crab until they actually pass that stimulus bill, at which point it will go up some more

>>18071664
32

>>18071768
By "Pass" I mean vote for it successfully. They said they reached a deal last night, but they still have to prove that.

>>18071768
priced in sorry SNSS anon

VIX to 70 soon

>>18071745
nope. look at the global markets. they've all moved up/down together for the past 2 weeks in conjunction with the S&P.

asia mooned today.

>Wednesday, Mar 25, 2020
>12:00 p.m.: Convene and resume consideration of the motion to proceed to H.R.748, the legislative vehicle for the coronavirus stimulus package.
wait for this

>>18071707
How's it going bull bros? How are my little bulls of biz doing?

Tell me if I'm wrong, but if we continue to follow the 1929 trend, the Dow will have a somewhat crab day and then tomorrow it should fall by a large amount (coincide with the unemployment numbers date) and then it will continue to fall for something like two or three weeks with a few green days, and we will see the (temporary) bottom for... Easter. And then we enter the second phase of the depression and everyone thinks it's over until the third phase begins around September. Honestly, I don't think Trump has chosen this date randomly, it makes quite some sense.

Now that the entire country is getting NEET bux and NEETs will have the most purchasing power in the country, is it time to build a NEET portfolio? ATVI, NVDA, TSN.

>>18071786
europe has crashed today, who cares about asia

>>18071768
if it passes after market hours it's going to get eaten up by unemployment numbers the next morning.

How to short nyc trannies

Memes aside, I believe the following are priced in:
Gibs
Unlimited market pumping aka qe
Unemployment numbers
Virus fears

Here's what isn't:
Higher/lower than expected unemployment
A second wave of virus fears

What do you think?

>>18071800
That thousand bucks will be gone in a week.

>>18071805
>A second wave of virus fears

This is the real worry especially since we're apparently going for the herd immunity strategy. US is going to re-infect the world.

>>18071736
Yesterday I had 2 Whoppers, large fries, and a cheeseburger. Today I fast

>>18071803
longer than you cisboy

>>18071801
the dax is down only a percentage point because our futures are currently slightly off.

you'll see in a few hours.

>>18071707
hahaha PRICED IN YOU LITTLE BITCH

>>18071792
Why do you really believe we’re living in even remotely similar society and world and economy as in 1929?

>>18071805
Add large bank doing the Lehman Brothers special.

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>>18071822
yeah, it's worse.

>>18071805
>>18071805
>virus fears
>priced in

These companies are going to be in the red for at least 3 months. Maybe longer. You're delusional if you think 3 months of no income is priced in.

>>18071811
it will be gone in a day if you're a biz bull buying the top on margin

>there are people who think today's stock market gains are real
You boys are in for a rude awakening. Protip, look at what happened right after the previous "record stock market gains" in 1929-1932.

>>18071813
We're also going to get wave 1.5 at the community level with people who tested negative catching the virus after they thought they were safe and being asymptomatic super-spreaders.

what are good dividend stocks?
most likely didn't reach bottom yet, but I want to DCA with half of my money that I don't use for option trading. have my doubts about REIT stuff like $O, but the dividend and current price looks delicious.

>>18071843

Some of the biggest short term gains came from dead cat bounces.

>>18071822
It's already worse you dumb fuck.

>>18071832
They are priced in for now, because people believe le orange man, but a second wave would hit extremely hard.

>>18071851
You realize that they'll most likely slash divvies?

>>18071851
>post-corona economy
>dividends

>>18071851
KO LMT GD T DUK TROW

Knees weak, arms wanna but some more fucking TVIX. It fucked me last time, but it also made me nearly 200% before I, like a dumbass, held too long.
Is it time to TVIX again?

>>18071828
Son, the adults are talking. Go back to your room and play with your toys.


>>18071869
You think Shell will slash them?

>>18071887
Yeah , if not outright halt them for the time being.

>>18071887
What part of slash do you not understand

>>18071869
>>18071871
that's why I'm looking for strong companies that can recover quickly

>>18071880
I'll look into the ones I don't know about, thanks

>>18071843
>2020=1920

Nigga pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease

>>18071843
>>18071854
So it's pretty much guaranteed that tomorrow will be a slaughter, but how are we opening today?

Do I sell immediately to buy more tomorrow, or do I hold and sell late?

SPY puts at the open. Make hay while the sun is shining

>>18071828
Mods please
This fucker is off topic and shitting up our thread

>>18071843
They weren't doing this in 29.

>>18071910
how about the 2008 crisis you little shit

>>18071915
With the fed pumping, the only thing we know that'll happen is inflation

>>18071906
Wait till Thursday. Even if it doesn't crash (somehow), things still won't be back to normal. If there are bargains to be had they'll stay low for a while

>>18071920
I want to, but the premium is so fucking expensive. I'd feel awful losing $500 on a bet

Thursday
>Nikkei crashes 15%
>US futures hit down limit
>Italy and US "surpasses" China in cases
>Jobs report comes out
>Double breaker on open

>>18071928
>Comparing a debt problem created by greedy Jews to boomers being afraid of a cold

I bet you can't tell the difference between cats and dogs either huh

>>18071851
HPE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My2l_6twqXU&t=28s

>>18071933

Yeah, everyone in 2010 thought that too. See how that turned out.

China needs to decouple from the US for significant price inflation to happen.

>>18071915
Futres pointing down, but not emphatically
http://www.ask8ball.net/

>>18071805
>>18071868
No second wave can occur before you could successfully suppress the first wave

>>18071949
>implying the virus isn't the catalyst of this mother of all bubbles which just made it pop

>>18071968
8ball said stonks will go down today

>>18071967
Would they do that? Is that a win for them?

>>18071949
>Implying we don't also have a debt problem created by greedy Jews right now.

>>18071815
Yesterday I had soup
Today I'll have soup

It was a big pot

>>18071994
The market inflates. That's what it does.
It'll inflate forever. Just because the traditional metrics havent been adjusted for a steady influx of cash into the market doesn't mean the new metrics are a fucking bubble

Snibbety snab?

>>18071805
looks about right but I am a retard

>>18071999
Checked. Prepping their anus for tomorrow.

>>18071999
I got the same answer.

>>18072016
>It'll inflate forever
>not a bubble

what background noise do you guys have on during trading? I prefer CNBC because of their interviews

Has anyone here made an SQQQ call? I wish I wasn't poor so I could try doing it, given the times we're in

Reminder that the current generation has had unsustainable expenses for years now, propped up by debt that's slowly growing at a rate faster than the repayment rates (or risk-involved investments like the geniuses on this board). Being unemployed will basically cause mass defaults and bankruptcies, and it's going to be just beginning over the next 2 months.

>>18072045
street fighter 2 soundtrack

>>18072045
>ok google. play relaxing piano therapy on spotify

>>18072045
Total silence.
I must concentrate

>>18071666
time to buy puts i reckon, if possible

>>18072037
it inflates because of people being born into the country and contributing to the economy
older people innovate and create jobs and move things forward for the next generation to take over
and repeat

WHO BEAR HERE AND KEPT IRON HANDS YESTERDAY

>>18072045
I'm more of a Fox Business guy but I like KUSC classical music.

>>18072045
I'm abroad so I stay up late to see markets open, go to sleep, then wake up to the close.

>>18072045
moe SoL ost tracks

>>18071943
sounds about right

>@jimcramer
>Who are these morons who come in and buy when the dow up 500? Honestly they are extraordinarily wrong. Go read "The Gambler."

>>18072078
Reporting in

My puts better print soon

so after Great Depression 2: Depress Harder, Do you think ETF's will be banned?

A few things that i think are toxic for the market are Options, ETF's, and Fiat currency overall.

>>18072074
what u described is literally deflation you moron. when there are more goods and services the value of the dollar goes up ie deflation.

>>18071999
trips of truth

>>18072078
Iron hands since Monday.

>>18072045
Audio from porno so I can follow the story.

>>18072092
banks should be banned

>>18072092
>Mmm yes let's ban ETFs and force the risk of investments to increase even more, that's a great idea!

>>18072106
LINKpilled

>>18072078
Yes. Don't know if I will handle today though.

>>18072045
The unreal tournament theme song on repeat, it's nostalgic

is this priced in?

>>18072092
Why would ETFs be banned of all things

>>18072037
Read an investment book from 1970
Recommended P/E is 10-12

Read an investment book from 2000
Recommended P/E is <20

Read an investment book from 2020
P/E doesn't matter. Here's a complicated equation

The market is artificial.
It's been decoupled from fundamentals by everyone investing in the market

It can drop and gain, but everyone would have to pull everything out. That will never happen

>>18072108
I think the fractional reserve rate should just be one or less honestly

>>18072114
problem commie?

>>18072092
No but I think The 3x etfs will go away. 2x are safu.

>>18072078
I bought puts even

Are we're going to see a sell off in the closing hours if the stimulus vote is after market hours?
No one's wants to hold their stocks heading into the mother of all jobless claims, right?

SHARE POSITIONS FAGGOTS

>>18072045
Usually a Let's Play or video game stream on my second monitor

So I'm required to have a margin account if I'm to purchase SQQQ?

>>18072121
if you believe that gutter journalism you are an idiot. There are new variations shit that kill people constantly and it doesn't mean it's going to spread fast and hard. They don't usually bother to make up a name and report on it everytime some random old guy dies of a new strain of the flu but now they know it will get clicks.

>>18071663
This. Today many schnibs with an occasional schnab but nothing too crazy

>>18072092
>options
derivatives in general, not just options. fed should be banned. using debt assets w/ counterparty risk as collateral should be banned.

Anyone all-in on SQQQ? Even if the market goes up today I'll just hold.

>>18072161
Shouldn't have to, I don't use margin

>>18072157
based

I need a circuit breaker to unload these 3/27 puts

>>18072130
am i meant to believe that new=more correct? parroting the insanity of "modern monetary theory" does nothing to help your case.

I smell crab day

>>18072092
I've read some stupid shit on this board but this might take the cake.

>>18071923
they were doing unprecedented money printing for the time. obviously, today's amounts make that seem quaint by comparison, but they were definitely printing money.

>>18072161
No, the etf does the leveraging for you. Some '''brokers''' don't allow buying leveraged etfs (vanguard)

>>18072121
There's a travel ban. It won't spread this quickly.

>>18072130
>everyone would have to pull everything out. That will never happen
We both know it's just a matter of time anon. As soon as the world finds another safe harbor US dollar will return home and that will collapse everything. The next collapse will be the final one for US, by that time the world will be ready to switch to whatever new reserve currency they will decide on

Is this the bottom?

>>18071653
Bet Accepted.

>>18072202
>>18072173
Ah, thank you. TDAmeritrade warns of special margin requirements, so I was digging through the fuckery and handbook to figure out what I'm doing.

Amazon is stopping shipping to APOs overseas. Just a heads up.

>>18072206
Kek
Okay doomer

Didn't people say that crypto was going to stall the stock market?

Most people don't do anything with their 401ks until they retire
The market will remain stable and growing once we're out of this volatility

bloomberg has some really cute reporters

not looking good lads

>>18072095
better than most TA

Any others to add to the collage before the pop?

>>18072188
me and you both god i hope unemployment numbers save me tomorrow

>>18072211
no it's 2 bears looking at a red line anon

>>18072192
It's does everything to help my case.

The stock market is entirely speculation with no real connection to metrics of any kind.

The market will continue to have money pumped into it by passively managed 401ks

The market will inflate forever unless we have a crazy retirement related change

>>18072226
>The market will remain stable and growing once we're out of this volatility
>market will go up once we've hit a bottom
genius

All in on $FANG

>>18072114
Basically already 0 risk of investing in big companies that are supported by ETF safety nets
>>18072126
ETF's are anti free market, just like the Fed, bailouts and all of this money printing lately

Options and leverage are Jewish tricks and should be removed from society along with Usury, the stock market should only be investing, not gambling. Gambling is degeneracy and should be removed from society along with drugs and faggotry.

>>18072211
idk. crabs probably win for the next few months

>>18072248
>It's does everything to help my case.
okay retard. i guess in your mind "forever" is until 10 years from now when the boomers start liquidating their assets to pay for living expenses.

>>18072198
I went all in on 3/27 puts on Monday.
By "all in" I mean literally everything I have, my portfolio is my networth right now.

>>18071967
I didn't say hyperinflation, I just said inflation which means just higher than normal inflation

>>18072228
Burn it to the fucking ground.
Fuck politicians
Fuck kikes

>>18072092
is this the dumbest post on /biz/ this year?

>>18072226
>Okay doomer
Do you literally believe that US empire is eternal anon? Do you actually believe that? Foreign holders of the US dollar is the one last thing holding the US economy together. If you don't see this you're delusional.

>>18072262
What's a crab? Delta neutral strategies?

>>18072235
Magic 8 ball? No this is my stochastic sphere

>>18072285
kek

>>18072253
If we aren't at bottom, we will be in a week or so.

I said volatility because the pricing is all feeling and speculation. Everyone is just extra spooked that trades because they know securities are imaginary with no intrinsic value just like crypto

>>18071666
>haha hey martha, now that we're clearly at the bottom, how about we take out a reverse mortgage, sell our life insurance, and buy every stock we can? how about this new-fangled arcade-restaurant thingamajig?

>>18072295
>VIX is down 50% from Monday
Is everything starting to calm down?

>>18072078
i am small time but i am getting anxious. I want in on the last reasonable gains the market will see for a while but don't want to miss the life boat when she starts to go down.

>>18072284
sideways markets. just gotta get lucky with quick in and outs.

>>18072267
They already have, bud. Don't forget Boomers all leaned into the social security program so they have less in the market than everyone else.

What other shitty thoughts do you have?

This market is retarded.

>>18072281
US companies are finally going to into automated production after this. If we had that infrastructure up and running we would literally own the entire world at the end of this. Companies like Tesla and Amazon will not be caught in this situation again. In 5-10 years we'll be talking about if Tesla should be broken up because they took over the entire auto industry.

What's the strategy for making money in crab markets?

>>18072311
The Fed has made the market so divorced from the economy it might as well be a slot machine.

>>18072303
>VIX up almost 10% yesterday
Get ready

These threads are a lot slower when the market crabs

i just wanted to see if you guys had some neat stock suggestions and now im doomsday prepping for an impending economic collapse

>>18072281
If our military wasn't so fucking big, you would have a reason to be afraid.

We literally intimidate the world into keeping the economy together.

I would only pull out and buy metals if we elected a cunt that cut military

>>18072315
>He thinks the meme battery car is going to survive free oil

>>18072078
still HODLing SPXS, cashed out of everything else though.

>>18072319
You don't

>>18072311
It's functioning exactly as it's meant to

>>18071691
Used to like pflax before some of the anti brexit shit he said.
Always gonna stand by slacks tho. Fuck i love that Bostonian retard

I can't decide if I should do a put on Disney or not. Their future is still up

>>18072339
>He thinks workers build cars when they're sitting at home because of a coof.

>>18072315
This is a pretty solid forward-looking take. This is going to have long-term effects on the way companies view their supply chain and inventory management, and their manufacturing capabilities. If you're in an industry that can automate manufacturing and production and have just been avoiding it due to costs, I suspect this will be a trigger for that longer-term investment in automation.

>>18072309
>Baby Boomers: Baby boomers were born between 1944 and 1964. They're current between 55-75 years old (76 million in U.S.)Jul 29, 2019
In other words, only the oldest of boomers have hit maximum social burden demographic. The fact that you think you've defeated me in any way is laughable you simpleton.

>>18072331
Bernie supports don't realize what the dollar being backed by "full faith and credit of the United States" means and that makes them dangerous. Nukes, tanks, and aircraft carriers is keeping the dollar afloat not gold.

>>18072348
Retarded enough to shill Artifact, say he's not going to dump it after it crashes, then silently dumps it because nobody cared he was still supporting it, not even Valve.

>>18072321
Could the market please be sane for like one day? It's so frustrating

>>18072343
trading channels

>>18072171
98% buddehhhh

>>18072157
I will win. I always win.

>>18072324
3/4 of the posting on the past Black Mondays has been OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOs and AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAs

>>18072319
Day trading / strangles

>>18072351
Disney is going to get hit the longest because film production and release is stalled by a quarter at the very least and their parks are in states that will be in quarantine the longest

>>18072315
bad news for you buddy even highly automated assembly lines (which I have worked in) still require people to maintain and reset the robots when they crash or some alarm is tripped. I worked in a 90% automated plant once that still couldn't work without people.

>>18072370
you expect thinks to make sense in this psycho jew market? disney will report 30% lossses and shit will go up

>bought spy calls day before yesterday for 100% gain

>bought VXX calls yesterday for another probable 100% gain

Who here has also embarrassed chaos and perfectly timed everything?

>>18072121
It isn’t new

>>18072376
Requiring 5% manpower is less volatile than requiring 95% manpower. Automation is happening. This virus is the trigger. It's going to change the world with the most powerful impact since the industrial revolution.

I really want to do options but premiums are too high and I know I'll get raped

ONTX Chadholders report in. Going to be a big day.

>>18072370
Yeah, but nothing makes sense right now. Fucking dave and busters went up 300% in a week and absolutely no one is going to a fucking dinner arcade place

Will US be #1 on the corona leaderboard by friday?

>>18072400
Same. I'm really tempted, but I'll feel like a fucking idiot losing these insane premiums if I guess wrong

>spain 700+ dead in a day
>us 200+ dead in a day
and no one batted an eyelid.
bull market now and forever.

>>18072352
that's right, they aren't. And they won't. Tesla to $0.

>>18072407
Yes, but technically because the numbers from China are as meaningless as the current stock market gains

>>18072406
>what is a short squeeze
notice how the stocks that made the biggest gains today were all the shittiest stocks?

>>18072315
>>18072376
>>18072399
Is now the time to buy ROK?

>>18072399
The virus is accelerating automation. Shit was already occurring. I know this is SMG but consider a LINK position.

>>18072331

The US military doesn't have the commanding lead that it had in the 1990s. It certainly is still very large and number 1 though.

The Sand Wars have depleted the prestige of the USA significantly.

>>18072399
My point is that even if you were 90+% automated you still couldn't run in a pandemic and you have the added problem of all your equipment being a sunk cost rather than a recurring labor cost that you can trim through layoffs.

is potentially a million dead boomers from bat flu going to significantly affect the healthcare industry?

>>18072411
I learned my lesson the hard way doing a put against JBLU, lol. I'm sufficiently spooked and probably will wait for markets to get less volatile. I'll probably be putting a nice chunk of money in SQQQ, though, at least I know for a fact we'll be getting some gains or if not, I can simply hold.

>>18072381
I sure haven't. What's your thoughts on today?

>>18072411
>>18072400
Gotta pay to play

>>18072430
think losing in Korea and Vietnam is more embarrassing than getting bullied by sand insurgents for a decade

>>18072434
the boomer group spends the most in healthcare so this sector will be very affected

>>18072420
But most stocks made a decent gain. Disney made a 10% gain

>>18072431
I work for one of the top 20 dairy processors in the world and they've been throwing mad money at large automated projects the last two years. Doubling plant sizes at the drop of a hat. They saw something coming

>>18072437
Redpill me on SQQQ. What makes you certain it's coming back?

>>18072423
if you wanted to long robot manufacturers that wouldn't be a bad idea. I'm sure they're hurting with all factories being turned off. FANUC and OMRON would be good choices based on how much they are used in industry. IDK if they are publicly traded or not.

>>18071768
Go back to stocktwits you unemployed faggot

>>18072376
You'll always want a human in the mix, but that's inconsequential compared to the opportunity. You'll still come out ahead in situations like this if you can maintain minimum staff while not suffering any significant loss in production capability. Logistics will be the bottleneck at that point, which companies have been working on for the last decade with automated trucking.

>>18072431
If you've already trimmed labor costs through automation, maintaining the minimum amount of staff to keep operations running might not be as daunting a prospect if you're still supplying the market with product. It makes sense if it's industry specific, and will also depend on the rest of your supply chain (raw materials).

>>18072457
The market is going to dump more.

>>18072431
Yes you could. How is that not painfully obvious? Smaller crews = lower chance of infection. Additionally, if you were running what is currently a 500-person factory with a crew of 25, your margins would be to the point where you could literally pay those 25 to be 100% housed, along with their families, on premises through the end of the pandemic and effectively quarantine your entire company and not skip a beat with production. If you're the only one manufacturing ANYTHING that is needed on a worldwide basis you are going to capture 100% of the market.

>>18072461
ABB is pretty big as well

>VIX mooning back up
time for round two

>>18072439
No clue, everyday I just sit back and see how things shake out and buy in eod to hold overnight

>>18072447

Two decades. America has been engaged in the Middle East for two decades.

America was NEVER good at conventional military action, let alone unconventional.

>>18072376
Finally someone said it
>t. automation geek

>>18071645
REEEEE CANT TRADE OPTIONS UNTIL BECAUSE ACH TRANSFER TAKES 4 DAYS IF DONE FROM TDAS SIDE

>>18072482
Based

>>18072496
America doesn't know how to end a war aside from nukes.

>>18072331
What do you expect US military to do when Germany sells US dollars and switches to another reserve currency? Start killing people from their military base in Germany? They'll do nothing, they'll leave Germany.

>>18071802
Shit you have a point. It might be considered a government funded severance check by some companies.

>>18072457
Unemployment numbers gonna come out Thursday! And in general, market's gonna dump more. Historically the largest gains in the market are accompanied by equally large losses.

>>18071645
any of you faggots now when this shit gonna bottom out?

Ive been waiting for 2 year to jump in and now is my chance but Morg&Stan taking to long to link my accounts. I dont want to miss it

Where is the anon who was wetting his pants yesterday about being $200 down on SQQQ?

>>18071802
They'll wait til Friday and use Thurs' blood bath as an excuse

>>18072502
I got fucked over by TDA similarly yesterday, they're better than other platforms though, at least that's what I've read.

WHY DIDN'T I BUY THE DIP???

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>Dow green only because of Boeing
What a fucking joke

Hey, guys, what does it mean when everyone unanimously says the market is going to go down on Thursday?

>>18072512

The US pays for the defense of Europe. If the US leaves Europe all those wonderful social programs disappear.

>>18072514
>>18072473
I'm fairly new to stocks. So SQQQ goes up if the rest of the market does poorly?

>>18071802
It’s not passing

>>18072537
Bull baby bull

OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO BULLBROS

>>18072471
You're right about the logistics bottleneck. But the trade-off for automation is the upfront cost of the equipment and the depreciation such that your more expensive equipment sitting unused incurs a higher cost than sending people home to reduce labor. You have a point about your bounce back potential though. I hadn't thought of that but if many of your are sick but you can keep the plant running with a few guys that's probably a win.

>>18072474
That's an interesting hypothetical and if your maintenance crew agreed to it that'd put you in a prime position for producing when no one else is assuming demand has returned.

CRAMER SAYS SELL TODAY

>>18072538
and the irony is those social programs are causing the downfall of europe anyway. 2020 is the end of globalization i hope

>>18072519
Two days ago. Sorry, bud.

>DOW Futures nearing 21k

How do I not FOMO in to this obvious bull trap? The green numbers are driving me insane

>>18072519
what makes you think that we are V-recovering within days that you somehow miss out on gains?
recovery always takes longer than an instant crash

>>18071653
The bailout has been fully negotiated. Today is green.

>>18072471
>Logistics will be the bottleneck at that point, which companies have been working on for the last decade with automated trucking.
machine learning applied to the business side is really the logistics solution. on the physical side of things, there are a hundred "last 10 feet" problems that severely limit automation in transport. on that note, though, i wouldn't sleep on self-driving tech at all.

>>18072538
Sweatie Germany wants US to leave, believe it or not Germany wants to control Europe with it's own military.

>>18072552
I live in the LA area. I don't own any guns, but I was talking to someone at work who said they went to a gun store and it was the first time in years they were all out of bullets. Who knows if it was just rumors though

>>18072569
By remembering that literally tomorrow is the jobs report

>>18072553
>the depreciation such that your more expensive equipment sitting unused incurs a higher cost than sending people home to reduce labor
That's just on the books, though. If the equipment isn't getting wear and tear on it, then it's not getting wear and tear on it. That matters more to real world costs.

t. accountant

The big question: TVIX?

>>18072583
Doesn't that only cover Feb? March isn't even over yet.

>>18072553
>everyone outside is dying
>hey anon. we've got a 100 foot wall around the facility. would you like to bring your family inside and run a machine while still getting a paycheck?

>>18072542
Yeah. It's a 3x inverse leveraged ETF tracking the Nasdaq-100 index, so it returns 3x the opposite of the index's results. Usually used in day-trading.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/122215/sqqq-proshares-ultrapro-short-qqq-etf.asp

Why is DAX -2% in a sea of green?

>>18072565
damn it. I guess this afternoon is better than nothing. I told those M&S nob goblins a month ago I was ready but I too small for them to give a shit.

>>18072601
What sea of green?

>>18071653
The market will form another bear flag until the realization that dead american bodies are relentlessly piling up, trump has to extent the lockdown, the market makes its next leg down in this recession.

>>18072528
Yeah its annoying as fuck. I only have my profits from yesterday as options buying power but thats not enough to buy some spy puts. So I have to wait until tomorrow for my ACH transaction to clear.

>>18072583
What time is it releasing exactly?
Also I thought it's technically today (wednesday).

>start operation Black Wednesday

>>18072502
>>18072528
E*trade gives me access to all of my monies right away as long as the deposit's under 5 figures. Even then, they only make me wait for some of it.

redpill me on why MTNB is primed for a massive pump

>>18072608
Futures*

>>18072616
Etrade makes me wait 3 days

>>18072609
>Trump said no more lockdown needed, soon all restrictions gone!

WHAT DO WE DO SQQQ BROS?

>>18072538
>The US pays for the defense of Europe.
Defense from what? Nazis? lol

>>18072570
idk. hope ur right. Its a weird time. All this is new and exciting for me but I feel like the retard in the room having fun while the ship just floated into a nuke testing site

>>18072609
>just two more weeks, two more weeks and those bodies will be stacked a mile high

Why the fuck is everything going up what is this fucking clown market?

JOB FIGURES OUT NEXT THURSDAY YA DUMBS
https://www.bls.gov/schedule/news_release/empsit.htm

>>18072434
>potentially a million
Son, have you looked at any government projections for this shit? It's potentially over 4 million. 700k+excess deaths from medical supply shortages is the current low end since we missed the 200k boat.

Between new regulations, government bailouts, being required to go all in on emergency stockpiles, losing a fuckton of long term patients that they milk for cash, bans on elective procedures, people treating hospitals like leper colonies until this is over, whatever bullshit's going to happen to the insurance industry, all the supplies going unused due to dead patients, the flood of excess supplies once this is over, and the very elevated death rate among hospital staff that's going to happen, I cannot even fathom the shitstorm that is coming for that industry.

The healthcare industry's going to be a complete shitshow.

>>18072645
Tomorrow>>18072034

>>18072639

Russia... duh

>>18072639

Holdover from the cold war. Nato was designed to check the power of that huge Russian military.

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>>18072645
Are you just pretending to be retarded

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extremely brainlet posts, how are you on /biz/ and not understand the military industrial complex

>>18072661
Oh
Huh

Guess I'm loading up on shorts!

>>18072580
not unlikely. many gunshops carry pretty low stock because there's no point to selling ammo at wholesale prices like online or bigbox retailers.
i guess i can actually thank /k/ for once since they convinced me to buy that shit a long time ago.

>>18071906
why bother with divvies just buy stocks who's value will pop back

>>18072585
Fair point but the equipment isn't making you money during a shutdown which is still a cost.
>>18072597
Not a bad idea. I'm still skeptical if you'd get any takers because of the common personality traits of maintenance type guys (individualism, self-reliance, etc.). I think they'd want to pass whatever calamity from their basement. But that's just my opinion.

>>18072639
Russia since 1945. The barents and med are crawling with Russian ships and subs.

were we too cocky bearbros?

>>18072629
Huh. Do you have a margin account?

>>18072629
same

>>18072690
>everything going straight up
Hold me Bobros.

>>18072507
Fuck around and find out.

FUCK BOENG

>>18072664
Right. So the US hasn't paid for the defense of Europe since 1991, then.

>>18072519
Not for a while yet. You'll want to keep an eye out for several things. (1) A reduction in the daily infection numbers. (2) Redeployment of the workforce. (3) As much as people REEEE over this, government support of business and workers (there really is no other options at this point, we're at a stage where the system is too big to fail). We've got a pulse on (3), but the other the other two are complete unknowns.

Do your DD on the companies you're interested in opening long positions on and only dip your toe in the water gradually at entry points you feel fall within your risk tolerance. You can also do some TA and compare to previous downturns to get a feel for how the market momentum/volume is changing on the buy/sell side to gauge where market sentiment is ON TOP of the daily news cycle, which is absolutely chaotic at the moment. Don't try to time it, because you'll only know the bottom after it passes.

>>18072553
I think the upfront cost will be much lower than the opportunity cost if your industry allows you to maintain your supply chain in events such as this and keep whatever raw materials you need for production flowing into your manufacturing. And, of course, outside of black swan events like CV, you'll still have cut labor costs tremendously, which will bolster your bottom line over the long term.

>>18072577
>I wouldn't sleep on self-driving tech at all.
I've got friends from graduate school who did their post-graduate work in ML, and I tend to agree with you there. I think with the full weight of the trucking/logistics industry, as opposed to a lot of the push-back their getting now for potentially cutting a large swath of jobs, then engineers would find solutions to current self-driving technical challenges FOR LOGISTICS. I'm not as plused for everyday around-town driving.

>>18072686
>The equipment isn't making you money during a shutdown.
If you don't have to shutdown, you're in a good position.

>tfw bagholding sqqq for the next crash in 10 years
why did i fall for this shit meme

>>18072687
>implying EU and Russia aren't equally matched in terms of military
EU can defend itself perfectly fine

>>18072704
lmao wtf is this world we live in

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V RECOVERY

Cramer looks like he's on deaths doorstep

>>18072704
heh, nothing personal
*siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiippppppppppppppppppp*

The bottom moves further away by the minute

>>18072504
The fuck is wrong with the Netherlands that they're going to go with the "let the country burn" plan? Weak economy or fuckmassive health care system?

>>18072703

Just go look at military spending and see how much the US does compared to Europe. Then it becomes crystal clear why Europe has socialized healthcare and the US does not.

I'm not going to argue the concept of force projection and deterrence with someone who can't do a push up.

>>18072640
we haven't reached the bottom yet imo, just DCA into strong companies if you have enough of a cash reserve.

All in.

>>18072704
STOP BUYING THAT SHIT WTF

>>18072714
*BOING*

>>18072639
>Nazis?
Unironically yes, the US Government works hard to ensure no problematic movements get too powerful again

>>18072704
Don't worry,
It's gonna crash itself ... WITH NO SURVIVORS

>>18072736
You brave bastard

I have $5k what to buy?
Already have boing desu

Invest in Boeing?

this market is gay and for fags

Hoping TVIX moons today.

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>that Boeing bubble
Can’t wait to see that shit plummet

>>18072730
>The US spends more money therefore they're defending Europe
Is this bait?

>>18072773

You're too stupid to have this argument with.

>>18071696
two breaker for anon

>>18072710
Now thats what I call mentoring! Thanks dude

>>18071851
> Implying any company will be paying dividends any time soon.

>>18071645
I sold SQQQ at a $1600 loss as futures began to soar ;_; my previous gains of $2100 from SQQQ have been almost entirely eliminated but at least I didn't get completely slaughtered (I put 18k into it). Might buy back in when it drops today in anticipation of tomorrow, or wait to see how the paradigm changes on thursday before making another move. Maybe I'll feel stupid again today if stocks drop but it felt like I was being tortured for a day and a half straight and I just couldn't take it, I have too many obligations to allow myself to be completely rekt.

>>18072735
thats all I have is cash. Just liquidaed most of my properties cuz they where shit and I had a buyer. Ganna buy more though but ive realy want to jump in too since these ops dont happen ery often

>>18072463
based

>>18072003
They don't want to hold dollars knowing that the Fed can print away and make them worthless. Also, just to fuck America.

>>18072834
Just take whatever anons say with a grain of salt and figure out whether or not you want to invest or gamble. Nobody here knows what the markets are going to do, but there are general economic and market trends you can figure out over the long term if you go back to history and compare with and pay attention to what's going on now. Apart from that, it all boils down to your risk tolerance and investment time horizon. There will be a recovery, but nobody knows when or how long it will take (U, V, etc.).

>>18072092
Why would ETFs be banned?...

No different than a traditional asset manager, only a tenth of the price.

Just put 1k in RC and panic sold at 100£ loss. nice

>>18071818
Hmm we're red?? Why anon?