/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>18070318
republic means elite

>>18070318
>YOU FUCKED BY NOT VOTING FOR BERNIE. YOU WILL FOREVER BE CONTROLLED BY THE ELITE.
>IT'S ACTUALLY OVER.

>>18070318
>voting

go away filthy npc

>>18070337
The basedboy is you who willingly gets cucked by the elite by his balls while pretending he's some intellectual.

>>18070337
if you put berni in you just change who the elite is
but it is the same thing

>>18070318
>people don’t agree with my world view
>this is literally clown world

>>18070357
no this is what we call
BASED

>>18070318
>Fuck all of you hypocrites for being fine with the FED literally pumping trillions into the economy out of thin air yet not being fine with healthcare programs or whatever else.
Buddy, the Fed is pumping the markets so people can still have jobs to buy their own fucking health insurance.
Which is a million times more efficient than state-run healthcare, t. European.

>>18070318
>All you free market dick suckers who voted for Trump are ironically communists.
Then who would you vote for retard? All you amerifats bitch and moan but all your candidates would do the exact same thing regardless of party because all your parties are owned by big business. Damn, you lolbertarians are retarded.

>>18070367
t. filthy poor half-caste

>>18070357
Nice strawman. It's a clown world because no matter the amount of risk you take, you can always get bailed out by papa FED

>>18070318

>>18070357
What is your world view? That it's a good thing that the federal reserve is literally buying the entire US market?

>>18070363
>million times more efficient than state-run healthcare, t. European
We're about to see just how efficient it is aren't we.

>>18070318
wsb pls go

OP is right but this site is filled with r/TheDonald republicuck boomers and QAnon faggots now. Day of the pillow when? God speed coronachan

>>18070363
>t. Larping Amerifag
Kek do you actually think you’re fooling anyone
>American healthcare
>efficient
Lmao I’m not even one of those fags that says healthcare is a right and has to be public but the American system as it is is generally accepted as being highly inefficient and full of rent-seeking

>>18070477
What?

>>18070493
>Larping
Aje wilt kunn me da in min diqlect doen wuk wi.
Ou bien dans une des autres langues que je maîtrise en tant que multilingue.

>>American healthcare
>>efficient
You'd be surprised, pic related.

>>18070318
>a millionaire jewish communists is a better choice for the economy

Is leftypol even trying at this point? You would think after losing their money with NO REFUNDS after donating it to the geriatric socialist they would have learned their lesson kek

>it hasn't even begun

>>18070550
>What?
We're about to see just how efficient it is aren't we.

>>18070493
Why do people say that foreigners go to America for treatment and the quality is the highest?

Genuine question, I want to know it's true or just an example of cherry picking and hasty generalization.

>>18070584
Maybe take a gander at pic here: >>18070550

>>18070601
I don't think that's true in Europe, people generally go to Germany or Israel, those are considered the best.

>>18070611
>muh beds
Umm okay

>>18070550
>not posting a metric actually related to efficiency
>spend more on healthcare as percentage of gdp than UK, Germany, France, and Canada but still has middling efficiency rankings
>Americans report being tied up in power work and disputes more than in any other wealthy nation
How about you post an actually relevant metric next time and put more effort into it than google translate

>>18070601
>Why do people say that foreigners go to America for treatment and the quality is the highest?
It’s typically just wealthy non-euros like Arabs or something that go to the Cleveland clinic or something. Most euros who are willing to pay a little extra would probably just go to Germany or Switzerland, France has really good doctors as well apparently

haha money printer go brrrrrr

>>18070616
>>18070626
ICU beds are THE key to this whole situation.
It's what the global lockdown situation is all about, see pic.

It's not about stopping the virus or even reducing the number of infections, it's about staying within ICU bed capacity.

>>18070686
that health care system capacity is also rising as time goes on and health services prepare, therapies are developed etc; another reason to slow the spread and buy more time.

>>18070686
It was a conversation about general efficiency, not which country is more prepared to deal with corona. If you spend 11,000+ per person on healthcare, and 3.6 trillion (nearly 20% of your GDP) then you better have at least 30 fucking beds per 100k citizens

>>18070357
He’s right tho

>>18070714
Sure, but at some point economic damage becomes worse than viral damage.
Trump was ahead of the curve with certain measures (travel bans etc.), and he's going to be ahead of the curve with opening up the economy once again.

>>18070733
Having more ICU beds per capita is key to that.

>>18070318
No, fuck YOU for not voting for Ron Paul. The only candidate in recent years who wanted to END the Fed.

>>18070345
I think the elite is always the same
We never see their names or faces anywhere but they are always there and they run the show
Presidents are just actors

>>18070757
>Having more ICU beds per capita is key to that
Yes you said the exact same thing in your previous post, thanks for the nuanced response

>>18070754
No he's not.
It's the Fed's job to keep the system afloat, and desperate times call for desperate measures.

And you can keep crying about muh money printer inflation all you want, the US dollar is still absolutely soaring.

>>18070763
This. Every time I tell my friends it was a mistake that Ron Paul didn’t win all those years ago they look at me like I’m crazy
>if only they knew

>>18070771
Well maybe it's time for you to start coping.

>>18070626
I don't get the dick sucking for Norway, they spend a lot, the healthcare isn't that good, and it's not even free.

>>18070318
soon the fed will own the whole stock market.

>>18070789
>doesn’t even know how to have a coherent conversation
>time for you to start coping

>>18070855
>p-pls come down to my level so I can beat you

This conversation is about healthcare in the face of corona, and the US has the entire world beat in the one metric that's key to this whole situation: ICU beds per capita.

Deal with it.

>>18070363
>>18070550
>>18070626
>>18070896
>this conversation is about healthcare in the face of corona
>changing the goalposts so you don’t seem retarded
Looks you like stooped to “my level” all in your own kek

>doesn't have secure online voting like Estonia
>thinks his vote counts
Lmao you burgers keep getting more retarded every day

>>18070357
Funny how you thought you came up with a nice meme yet almost noone agrees with you KEK.

>>18070926
>muh socialized healthcare is better!
Meanwhile the US has the entire world beat in ICU beds per capita, the one metric that's key to pandemic response.

>>18070363
I'll take that over none

>bernie
A fucking career politician railing against the rich while buying his third (3) house... is your proposed solution...
You're the clown...

>>18070975
>literally keeps repeating the same sentence over and over knowing he was wrong about the original argument he was making
Classic 4chan

>>18071116
>gets btfo
>"n-no YOU lose!"

>>18070318
Well, Trump was elected cause he spoke truth about the "stock market bubble".
That makes those who voted for him capitalists and honesty seekers.
Expecially if Trump is not re-elected.
Wanna know what's clownworld?
JP Morgan riggind the price of silver so bad that it will go into single digit territory even where there is none in store.
All cause socialists like you didn't kill themsleves when you should have.

>>18071128
>gets proven wrong
>changes goalposts
>n-no I was right all along!

>>18071130
>Trump was elected cause he spoke truth about the "stock market bubble".
Before continuing to fuel the bubble for another 4 years and tying the success of his presidency to continuous all time highs in the stock market. Honestly trump is a retard but there isn’t a single other politician that would have been better than him or particularly worse than him. American politics is just shit. Should’ve been Ron Paul all those years ago

>>18071144
>muh socialized healthcare is better!
Meanwhile the US has the entire world beat in ICU beds per capita, the one metric that's key to pandemic response.

>>18071160
>a pandemic crashed the market, that means it was a bubble

>>18070571
Underrated post

>ID2020 when ?!?

>>18070318
Bernie is the cuck of the DNC
and he’s a fucking Bolshevik
US getting a reset right now anyway
It’s over
The debt bro

>>18070318
oh god he's a bernie retard. socialism is bad you dumb queer

>>18071160
>Before continuing to fuel the bubble for another 4 years
So what?
He promised something, truth, and the people elected him.
It was Trump's choice to go full commie then.
And if the American people won't re-elect him, it will prove that they value truth, and they punished him by not re-elect him cause he fucked up on his promises.

>Should’ve been Ron Paul all those years ago
Absolutely.
We could have saved the whole west with him, not just America.

>>18071199
Has any president in the last 40 years actually done all the things they say?

To be clear I don't support Don, or Hillary, or Bern, or Yang, or anyone else. I'm 27 and never voted. My whole life its always seemed like everyone hated [current president] and blamed them for [current problem]

>>18071160
>and tying the success of his presidency to continuous all time highs in the stock market
And, you know, the whole record employment thing.
God damn you’re salty.

>>18070318
Why are mutts retarded?

>>18071170
lmfao dude govt bonds are at negative interest rates, you absolutely cannot say this is not a bubble. lmao you gay retard

>>18071241
No what’s new though there all fucking sociopath egomaniacal liars literally

>>18070336
>>18070318

funny you guys think republicans are the problem when the democrats and blessed obama were the ones who originally bailed out big business and the banks and started QE last time...

>>18071170
>Meanwhile the US has the entire world beat in ICU beds per capita, the one metric that's key to pandemic response.
Literally repeating word for word his other posts
>a pandemic crashed the market
>implying yield curves hadn’t turned negative before corona made itself apparent outside of China
>companies haven’t been gorging themselves on debt and using most of their cash flows for share buybacks to pump up stock prices and EPS so execs get a nice juicy bonus, investing in increasingly risky assets and allowing debt underwriting standards to slip in search of ever higher yields
>not a bubble
Kek dk why I’m wasting my time with this retard

>>18071241
>Has any president in the last 40 years actually done all the things they say?
Ofc not, but that's the impression that those fucking retards in power should get.
Or at least a point of view to present them.

>My whole life its always seemed like everyone hated [current president] and blamed them for [current problem]
You smart then.

>>18071358
>>Has any president in the last 40 years actually done all the things they say?
Nope presidents change things more or less stay the same

>>18070337
>democracy is real
Based retard.

>>18071383
Well, ofc.
Cause they can't implement rel changes.
They are controlled by those who control the money supply, aka the central bank, and the central bank is controlled by those who know shit and can kill them from the shadows, aka the various secret services and intelligence agencies.

>>18070363
>t. European
Yeah right, you live in an ex-soviet eastern european country that's full of corruption and backstabbers everywhere and think that's the only way it can be, you've never seen the efficiency that the dutch and the germans can perform at with their health systems

>>18070367
Voting isnt real.

>>18070367
>I must vote for someone! Spoiling my ballot is impossible!

>>18070367
Who told you voting solves anything? You have the 2nd amendment for that.

The second amendment is so rednecks can keep the oligarchy in place.
#bluelivesmatter

>>18070493
>Look! We have sooo many beds for patients in America!
...That no one can afford. You can artificially drive up the statistics by building empty hospitals with loads of empty beds. Watch this clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-5zEb1oS9A
It's also pointless to point out the quality of American healthcare. NO ONE CAN AFFORD IT. IF NO ONE CAN AFFORD IT IT'S NOT SAVING ANY LIVES, AND IT'S NOT CARING FOR ANYONE'S HEALTH

>>18070975
And no one can afford them. You do realise that 44% of the US population works in low-to-minimum wage jobs, right?
https://www.legalreader.com/low-wage-jobs-are-the-new-american-normal/
You think that these poor people are going to have top of the line health coverage and be allowed entry into those high quality hospitals with loads of empty beds? No of course not, they're going to have the cheapest health coverage available, they're going to be allocated to the cheapest and worst quality hospital in their area. Oh and by the way, these are the exact same people who can't afford to skip a single hour of work, so they'll work even during the peak of the curve and almost certainly catch the virus.

>>18070939
>Secure online voting like Estonia
can you explain how this works? Maybe a link for further reading?

>>18071415
>the efficiency that the germans can perform at with their health systems
Anything even remotely state-regulated in Germany is as bureaucratic and inefficient as it can be. It's still very high quality though. Also there's no corruption and you're not fucked if you're poor.

t. German

>>18070491
What's the day of the pillow? Is it the day of the rake but for boomers? Also based post fuck poltards

>>18070318
>Papa FED will always come in and rescue the day for them.
only as long as people have faith in the dollar..

>>18070318
this is when you realize what the world has ALWAYS been about.
Literally, power.
2 options:
1. you rot on the street being poor.
2. you make it and become so powerful that you get bailed out.

>>18070815
It's near free, and very good although it does have flaws, especially wrt wait times, but a quick glance at the population distribution should tell you why. It really is massively better than what amerilards get, and it helps reduce the difference between rich and poor

>>18071281
>govt bonds are at negative interest rates
lol, since what date?

>>18071345
>global pandemic shuts down global economy
>"i-it crashed because it was a bubble!"
delusion

>>18070343
only based comment
>>18070947
>thinks truth is determined by votes
redditor

>>18071415
I am Dutch you kook.

>>18071493
>>18071558
>they built empty hospitals to drive up the numbers
holy shit this absolute delusion

>>18070363
>Which is a million times more efficient than state-run healthcare, t. European.

yeah except when you compare for example ppl dieing in preventable disease in murrica vs germany

>>18070357
that's literally how it works
when I am right (which I am) but the majority of the population are shit for brains morons who hold different (wrong) opinions that are contrary to mine, then it's a clown world.
It's not that hard to understand, dumbfuck

>>18071641
Based
T.german

>>18071424
This.

I've been asking people why the Electoral College exists for since I was 15 and we learned about it in Econ class.
I haven't heard an answer that isn't complete bullshit.

>>18072627
Preventable disease like rotavirus?

>>18072732
It's because direct democracy would simply erase smaller states from existence.

i hope libertarians and other capitalism fetishists off themselves. this is real capitalism, where big corps get bailed out by big government.

>>18073399
Left side is same shit
Big corps = big government

>>18070318
>Trump
>Communist

Uhhh..... BASED?

>>18073765
>Fed raises rates
>"haha Trumptards, based Fed is independent so he can't do shit about it"

>Fed prints money
>"OMFG TRUMP IS A COMMUNIST FOR PRINTING MONEY"

>>18072776
How so, if we went by straight popular vote every citizen in those states would be equal to every citizen in every other state.

In terms of federal government there should not be a distinction between california and idaho. All of us are american citizens.

>>18071567
It uses similar technology like blockchain(KSI blockchain). All the different parts of government systems like healthcare, various license data etc are all connected like nodes. You can see from your government profile every time someone(organization for example) has requested your data. Due to this high security system, you can have secure voting. I can't remember the exact details since I learned this from lectures last year.

I suggest you visit www.e-estonia.com/solutions/e-governance/i-voting/ for more details.

>>18073399
Except it isn't.

>>18070318
It wasn't because they doing shitty business it was because of a natural disaster stop overreacting.

>>18075064
>It wasn't because they doing shitty business

Why don't they have a couple of months worth of reserves?

>>18070318
>YOU FUCKED BY NOT VOTING FOR BERNIE. YOU WILL FOREVER BE CONTROLLED BY THE ELITE.
>thinks Bernie isn't one of (((them)))

>>18075415
so you are ok with corporations holding billions of dollars in cash instead of reinvesting it in their company, paying their shareholders dividends or reducing the float to increase shareholder ownership?
>no, you are just like every other socialist and pro-theft

>>18074758
>REAL CAPITALISM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED

>>18075499
Investing in your company includes holding cash reserves for bad times.

>>18075582
>company holds billions in reserves
THEY STEAL FROM THEIR SHAREHOLDERS, GIVE ME THE MONEY
>company pays dividends
WHY DIDNT THEY HAVE RESERVES

gtfo

>>18075653
>THEY STEAL FROM THEIR SHAREHOLDERS, GIVE ME THE MONEY
Who says that? Certainly not me, but I'd like to know.

>NOOOO YOU CAN'T FIRE ME, I VOTED FOR YOU

>>18075698
equity holders clamor for dividends and share buybacks
>see any company voting procedure

A ‘sound’ banker, alas! Is not one who foresees danger, and avoids it, but one who when he is ruined, is ruined in a conventional and orthodox way along with his fellows, so that no one can readily blame him.
>Keynes

>>18072623
I'm not saying that companies want to improve the statistics of America (they don't give a shit, they just want to profit off of people), but I am saying that empty beds is a worthless statistic in America since no one can afford them.
You haven't mentioned at all my 44% figure, since you know this is catastrophic

>>18071340
zoomer bitch i remember when DUBYA bailed out Wallstreet first

>>18076069
>you mean pelosis house?
>you mean where republicans were called terrorists for not voting to bail out the banks?