/biz/ - Business & Finance

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htesa

threads going so fast, no one will even realize that OP is gay.

>>18038284
OP is a fag just like water is wet and the sky is blue

LONG LIVE RKG

>>18038241
reeeeee
teach me to not lose money
>https://bit ly 3bmqvc8
this a good resource? these charts weird

I thought your used DOM or something anyways

>>18038249
uninstall your brain

It's like you guys have never experienced a bear market before. We may be in the worst economic trouble since the great depression and there are still delusional bulls who think we hit the bottom in less than a month desu.

>>18038249
go dilate faggot

>>18038350
Ohhhhh nooooooo
What should I do, o wise and helpful Anon??

>>18038350
It's like you just posted this in the last thread, people freaking out about every single bump in the market were likely small children during the recession

>>18038332
>teach me to not lose money

im gonna repeat the same thing i always repeat in these scenarios with noobs, with legit advice:

look up No Nonsense Forex and LiveTraders on youtube. watch every video, take notes. you're probably in lockdown so you should have plenty of time to do this. NNFX teaches you indicators, LT teaches you naked price action/volume/pattern analysis. that will give you the foundation you need, and you can expand upon it with whatever fits your personality as a trader. have fun!

Rkg is dead though. We've had multiple faggots try to imitate (her) with little success

>>18038350
Can I have an Orangutan friend?

>>18038384
It resembles you folks have never encountered a bear showcase. We might be in a difficult situation since the extraordinary melancholy and there are as yet whimsical bulls who think we hit the base in under a month.

>tfw too stupid to understand puts and calls to make money

Will my puts survive? April 3 220 and April 17 220 SPY.

>>18038350
>tfw day trader

bull market, bear market, crab market, all the same to me. my system is mainly based on quantifying the difference between trending and ranging, i make money either way and keep my losses small. loving this volatility lately though, i must say.

>>18038391
>with whatever fits your personality as a trader.
Bro next you'll be telling me to go on a vacation to "find myself"
Take a left with that old gay shit lmao
We only trade one way around here

>>18038391
NNFX has literally millions of hours of content, I can't watch all of it, there's so damn much and it's slooooooow and of course, it repeats and contains tangents and irrelevant stuff sometimes. I need a playlist or something of the essential clips.

>>18038430
WHAT HAPPENED TO 10x (20x?) SPY ETF PUT ANON DID HE EVER RESPOND? I FEAR FOR HIS SAFETY

>>18038430
Abort those while you still can

>>18038430
Those will be 100% okay, unless you bought them at the bottom today or something kek.

>>18038455
It takes after you parents have never experienced a bear exhibit. We may be in a troublesome circumstance since the exceptional despairing and there are up 'til now offbeat bulls who think we hit the base in less than a month.

>>18038421
Touche bear

Any coronabux I get are going into SPXL

>>18038350

I'm sitting in cash and I want the virus happening to escalate already. 14 day incubation period my ass, it feels like a nothing burger even in jew york.

>>18038302
water isnt wet, the sky isnt blue. water makes things wet, the blue is only the spectrum we perceive as easily as we perceive your high functioning placement on the autism spectrum

end of the world theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhRzORqNa0E

>>18038441
okay to be more specific, generally the "personality" refers to time frame. do you want to hold stuff for minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, or years? that's what i mean. the longer the time frame, the more important fundamental analysis (FA) is. the shorter the time frame, the more important technical analysis/quantitative analysis (TA/QA) is. that's all i mean.

>>18038447
>i need a playlist or something of the essential clips

literally look at what playlists already exist on their channels, and also just sort by most popular to start. other than that, stop being a lazy sack of shit. you have the opportunity of a lifetime here to literally become rich while in your PJ's in your bedroom, and you're complaining about watching some videos and taking notes? really?

you know what, no. go back to whatever shit day job you have, or school. get in more debt, wage slave more. you don't deserve this freedom if you aren't willing to put in the work, even though i graciously offered you the specific tools you need (even though i could have just not told you in the first place, or directed you to some scammer).

>>18038475
>at the bottom today or something kek.
I bought them last week. Was hoping for giga red monday to cash out. Guess ill hold for unemployment.
>>18038455
Why do you say that? The QE didnt make us go green today but im getting nervous.

>>18038554
actual end of the world theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ9rUzIMcZQ

>DAX down to +1%
i might still have a chance.. jesus fuck just dip into red within 7 hours please

WHOMST ABSCONDED WITH ALL THE TOILET PAPER?

>>18038475
What about 215 @ 4/15

>>18038350

NOOOOO! NO NO NOOOOOOO!!!!! I GOT TOO COCKY

me made dying trader GF thing
tell me she not a steal @_@

I bought with about 15% of my stack today, did I fuck up? Trying to dca down

>>18038697
You’re beyond autistic
Please stop posting

>>18038697
literally me except not grill

>>18038453
Hey yeah whatever did happen to 30k 20x Leverage SPY anon?

>>18038697
Hope rkpg doesnt die.

>>18038696
why are you betting against Tim Apple?

>>18038709
my algo says youre fucked but only by 3% on the index. youll be able to sell at an intraday high tmrw around todays vwap

>>18038786
I WILL NEVER DO IT AGAIN I'M SORRY TIM APPLE ;_;

>>18038697
It's cute, except real rkg didn't stay around for years posting that she was going to die, and her health was bad, and all that bullshit. She died properly and expediently. She was a good girl.

How long is the window for profits before the virus forcibly shuts everything down again through sheer attrition?

*sigh* does anyone have that list of /biz/ approved anime? my state just got locked down for two weeks

>>18038999
why the fuck would there be a list of /biz/ approved anime in the first place? i've never heard of it.

>>18039033
I have been here since this containment board was created and I have never seen it. Sounds very reddit to me.

>>18039033
maybe it was just a general corona appropriate anime list, i dunno... it was floating around in /smg/ a couple of weeks ago

>>18038999

Kaiji and spice and wolf are the two classics I'd recommend.

>>18038999
U should read "Maou no Musume wa Yasashi Sugiru!!"
It's like an anime but it's a comic book instead (the nips call it a "mangae")

>>18038820
That tranny is alive and well.

I DONT WANNA GO TO WORK TOMORROW AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>18038575
>you're complaining about watching some videos and taking notes?
No not really. I was “complaining” about not knowing where to start. Most popular is a good idea though and the opposite of what I would normally do.

>>18038794
I'm long Anon, planning to hold for years

>>18039067
just ask /a/.

that said, it would be cool if we did that. like, financial-related anime in some way. like hunter x hunter with leorio or Keep Your Hands Off Eizouken! with pic related. anyone else want to contribute? it has to be an anime with a character or some kind of theme directly related to money or the stock market.

UDOW stax it up

>>18038430
Depends on buy price.

>>18039101
do most popular for LiveTraders. i mainly focus on indicators so i personally don't use a lot of their stuff based on chart patterns. look at the playlists on the NNFX channel, specifically the yellow, blue, and green ones. they represent indicators/the algorithm, psychology, and money management, respectively. the blog is also really great but not necessary, it's good if you want to delve deeper. hopefully that helps.

>>18039099
Bro that isn't even the same person
That tranny looks healthy and strong
Original rkg (rkg #0) was an actual frail and violent female. Decades ago, when the internet was younger, on Usenet.
Since then it became sort of an urban legend and that is where we get fake rkgs number 1-4. Some are female or male, none are actual trannies yet. The real rkg never even knew what a smartphone was, she died in the 90s

>>18038999
>/biz/ approved
I don't know of any that exist. I got the first 6 raw volumes of Case Closed to me (and for the record that's a fucking scalping market man, you pay double what you'd pay in Japan for it at a minimum) since it's nostalgia for me and the kanji have furigana, it's been fun.
>>18039092
>漫画
>まんがえ
お前は本当に馬鹿だねwwwww

>>18039067
find the virus themed anime on netflix if that's what you're looking for
Cells at Work I think

>>18039214
>Case Closed

i still don't get why people like that shit. the art is fucking atrocious.

>>18039205
>That tranny looks healthy and strong

i didn't know these words could be put together in an unironic context.

>>18039264
Conan is big brained

>the ultimate happening was drumpf fucking all up in his last year

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Smg’s fotm anime is interspecies reviewers.

True /smg/ core is Kaiji

>>18039264
Is just fun and nostalgic!
>>18039092
>The demon lord Ariman reigns above all in hell. Together with his powerful demons, Ariman sought to conquer the entire world. However, his plan for world conquest was put on hold, due to a personal matter. His daughter, Dou, is too kind to be the daughter of a demon lord.
Not very smg for me...
>>18039205
Big if true
>>18039198
Thanks will delve deeper.

Looking for recommendations of fitness youtube shit or something like that, gonna do some squats with gravure idols~

>>18039099
is this you.

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Heil

>>18039264
The anime is keeping with the Manga's original art style, and keep in mind the manga first came out in 1994. If you read the manga then watch the anime you'll notice they're virtually identical image wise, to say nothing of the fact the anime came out in 96 as well so it's literally as old as me lmao.
If you want my personal reasons it's got a fun dumb plot filled with weird or convoluted crimes, a nostalgia factor for me from being one of the first shows I ever saw as a kid, and being one of the easier things to understand while learning Japanese. Plus I learn fun shit like how to say burned corpse!

also
>art as the pinnacle of everything
begone plebian

>recession will be deeeep
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>18039346
>his last year
If we’re lucky. If we’re really lucky it’ll be the last year for all these boomer crooks in Washington. Corona cleanse them

>>18038999
>*sigh* does anyone have that list of /biz/ approved anime? my state just got locked down for two weeks

Welcome to Washington!

>>18039362
>silverjews
Not a fan of the band
If you mean that silver pushers are conmen, I’d generally agree. It’s the shittiest of the precious metals.

>>18038999
Keep Your Hands Off Eizouken!
Literally about three high school girls trying to start producing anime. One of them is a business type. Its basically half about business, and half about the work of making anime, with a good bit of imagination sprinkled in for good measure.

>>18039383
He-he means "deep" like philosophically right?

>>18039379
i mean that's fine and i know it came out in the 90's, that doesn't excuse it from looking like dogshit lmao. whatever floats your boat though, just realize that the people who like it a lot are probably nostalgiafags and newcomers probably will be turned off like i was.

just so you're aware, i always thought hunter x hunter was dogshit for kids until i came across a video that explained it to me, then i watched it for like 2 weeks straight with the flu (coulda been a mild case of coronavirus last month idk, i wish it was so i could feel safe since my whole family got it and survived it, but who knows. no way to know for sure), marathoned over 150 episodes over a month or so because of this video's explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY3deSWuO58

seriously watch that video, everyone who hasn't watched it before. then watch all of hunter x hunter because it's fucking good. the chimera ant arc is absolutely legendary but you have to get through like 100 episodes to get to it, but it's worth it in an extreme way.

Up day tomorrow, eh? That's unfortunate.

>>18039438
>>18039472
I'm sure I speak for the rest of us when I say shut the fuck up you autistic retards. take it somewhere else.

>>18038430
Money printing will fuck you bearbro

>>18039383
i literally don't care what happens to the economy, so long as we come out of this shit within a reasonable time frame (like a year or so imho), grocery stores remained stocked with essential food items, and electricity/internet stays intact. the system resetting is actually a big boon for millennials with everything getting super cheap for us, so it's a good thing in the long term but sucks in the short term.

>>18039485
you don't speak for anyone, faggot.

>>18038241
You guys put your stops in the market? Is there any validity to leaving a stop order in and bots "seeing" it and going after it or is that all bullshit? I currently just use mental stops, but I've been told I'm making trading way more psychologically difficult on myself by doing so and I should just put my stops in the market. I've never seen a solid answer on this.

>>18039383
>>18039501
The Trump administration is considering opening things up within the next couple weeks. I'm guessing this will happen, as the economy is key point for Trump's reelection bid. I wouldn't put it past the White House to loosen restrictions significantly before mid-April.
Tbh I'm becoming more bullish

>>18039530
Yes, limit orders are how the algos and market makers bamboozle retail traders. Not to mention they flat out don't work in extreme volatility. Always buy and sell on market.

>>18039472
>that doesn't excuse it from looking like dogshit lmao
I don't think it's bad but you're entitled to your opinion.
also it is the 5th best selling manga series of all time, given there's almost 100 volumes it's a classic at this point. But it's also directed more towards younger kids which means outside of East Asia it's not nearly as huge since most weebs get the virus as teens.
if you want something for laughs, the creator said 13 years ago he knew how the series would end and the madman is still going. I wonder if he adjusted said ending.
I'll put it on my list of shit to read, I'm trying to read them solely in Japanese so shounen manga is perfect at the moment.
>>18039485
>autistic
I don't see any bullkeks in this discussion
>>18039556
it is literally just going to be spanish flu esque where we'll get a second wave since the retarded normies will start flocking out en mass, they're barely staying inside as is.
And the economy will be barely floating as the rest of the world besides China keeps locking down themselves

>>18039530
>Is there any validity to leaving a stop order in and bots "seeing" it and going after it or is that all bullshit?

as someone who has researched this extensively: yes they can see them (but not as stops, they just see generic orders), and they probably don't give a fuck about your couple of shares. they care about people putting a metric fuckton of stop loss orders around a very obvious pivot point. THAT is where you see stop loss hunting occur. look at any given chart and consider where the pivot points are, where the obvious "yeah i'd put my stop behind there" points are, where everyone and their mother would probably put their stop. if a ton of people, a ton of orders, wind up there, then MM's will hunt that area to get the large amount of liquidity they need for cheap.

the easiest way to stay safe is to use trailing stops instead of hard stops, but don't use mental stops that will just fuck you because price can move fast. they can't see trailing stops, because the brokerage isn't canceling and recreating a new stop every time the TS moves, it just holds onto it until it gets triggered and then executes it as a market order.

if you want to get real fancy, you'd program a trading bot and have the bot sell at a particular level, essentially having an "invisible" hard stop. you'd have to code it, though, which a lot of people do these days.

Just bought 4/17 SPY 190 puts at a 4.00 premium. Am I retarded?

>>18038241
Tomorrow is your last chance to buy ONTX

>>18039491
This. Give your future to the market, goy.

>>18039530
Stop loss is for day trades where you're entering and exiting on 1m charts. Having one for a position you hold overnight will just screw you

>>18039092
Holy shit this manga is way too cute. I'm going to get diabetes.

>>18038697
Pretty trash sounding GF desu. You sound awful in bed.

>>18039362
that's a really clever image

RIP kennedy, the federal reserve got away with it

>>18039530

Can't see stops in public order books only limits, just avoid obvious figures like 0s, 5s and 10s since bigger players tend to fish and smoke them out when pulling a hit and run squeeze on the market/ticker. I personally set hard stops a little over my BE or just use a collar option if a position looks a bit turbulent.

>>18039658
the general idea for holding overnight is that you have a much larger stop loss than an intraday trader. that said, stop losses don't trigger overnight, if your stock drops 30% against you then you just get fucked even if you only wanted to risk 1%. it's one of the main advantages of day trading, where stop losses actually work and therefore you can properly manage risk. you also don't get gapping (i.e. the opening price is not guaranteed to be the same as the closing price of the previous day).

>>18039556
honestly I was thinking the same thing, and then I remembered that even if we go about our business like nothing's wrong, people are going to get really fucked up with pneumonia and it's going to flood the healthcare system...

VERY torn right now. Took my losses on my short ETF's except for ones on robinhood... getting sick of that broker...
and loaded up on cheapies of the good shit: KO, PEP, MRK, BRKB, JNJ

>>18038697
Her legs must smell good.

>>18039619
i 4/17 SPY 260 call on friday for a 4/17 $160 SPY put so who knows i hope we make it

>>18039705
the more important thing is to be able to read a chart and see where the obvious pivot points are, because that's where most people like to set their stops at. it has nothing to do with you and your 100 shares of AMD, no one gives a shit, it's about what EVERYONE is doing, in general. they aren't hunting your stop loss, they're hunting "the masses" stop losses all bunched up together.

>>18039721
>>18039556
Also, who's gonna trade with us if the rest of the globe except china is in a global recession and shutdown to not get virused

>>18039672
Yeah it's fire
Easily one of the greatest mangas of all time

>>18039679
yes ;_;
me can no even real sexy time anymore
hips too fragile and any minor bleeding down there can turn fatal

it suck too because am so excited after big trade @_@

>>18039730

Yeah, that's was my second point. If ABC company was down that day and you see a huge floor set up at xx.01-06, you can bet your ass that once you pop that you're going to trigger a bunch of stops on your way down and vice versa with resistances. It's a bit of a mental game and the best thing to do is set your stops away from those points if you can or else not panic sell/fomo in.

Hit me with the spiciest microstates/droppers. I already bought Cormedix

>>18039599
I'm generally taking liquidity entering and adding it on the way out on wins, taking it on losers.
>>18039618
Interesting. So basically they just see limit orders and if the cluster is sufficient enough they'll go after it and if your limit order happens to be in the cluster it'll get hit, but generally they're not going after errant limit orders under like 1,000 shares (I don't really ever put on positions much larger than that)? Trailing stops would definitely free up some psychological bandwidth compared to what I do now. I'm pretty damn fast, but it's probably killing me slowly having to sit there and actually be that fast. When I first enter a trade, waiting for it work I'm probably as focused as a human being can possibly be and it's really not good if there's a less mentally stressful alternative that doesn't impact my win rate. I could probably figure out how to code a stop bot. Maybe as a project down the line.
>>18039658
I rarely carry any positions over night in my trading account so I definitely need stops of some kind, right now they're just mental.

Thanks for the replies guys, it's interesting reading.

>>18039822
Also RCL

>>18039728
I hope so too fren. This will be my first option trade so I hope it goes well

So we buying puts tomorrow while it's green or we waiting for a bigger pump?

So what I'm seeing from other markets is that tomorrow will be a sea of green. We have QE infinity going on, and the markets in the other countries are making a rebound. At this time, it might be safe to say that the unemployment report will not have a major impact. At best, growth in the markets will be reduced significantly but not going into the negatives again.
I high key wanna be wrong though.

>>18038241
I'm a financially illiterate retard, is drip feeding a small amount of money that I don't need into an index fund that I don't need in hopes of long-term gains a good idea? Or am I just burning money that I could just put into a bank account or something and not touch it?

kek should sell now to rekt his dumb anon

EZ $2k
suck me clit dummy

>>18039885
>I high key wanna be wrong though.
Why

>>18039806
NGL, my kinda GF.

PSSSSSSSST

BUY INTO AYTU

>>18039885
>I high key wanna be wrong though.
Literally me. My puts are going to 0 tomorrow it looks like but im hoping that unemployment report does something but i kind of know it wont.
>>18039906
Yeah its a good idea to buy some index funds for long term.

>>18039906
if you want to re-invest dividends in hopes of getting even more dividends in the future, then drip is a good idea.

or what are you asking? rephrase, please.

>>18039927
Because a part of me wants some big returns on my options and the more pronounced the slump the more my puts multiply.

Also, looking at the bill and how the workers get fucked over, I get rather pissed off because the stocks will rise, cutting us out of the market, the businesses will get free money with no obligation to pay it back, workers get laid off, and we get pennies for the mess our healthcare system caused.

>>18039936
is it too late?

>>18039820
it's easier to just have a risk:reward ratio of 1:1 or better on every trade. then your stop loss has nothing to do with """""""market structure""""""" but only to do with wherever you get in at. like trading AMD and going $0.20 up and down for a 1:1 trade, betting that it will go down $0.20 before it goes up $0.20 at a particular time of the day like say 10:08AM. you use the available analysis tools to give you better odds than a coinflip, ideally.

>>18039848
>Interesting. So basically...

yeah pretty much.

you should really consider using trailing stops in general, and backtest different multiples of the ATR seeing which works best for whatever stock(s) you trade. my system basically revolves around 1:1 trades with a trailing stop, the trailing stop becomes my positive expectancy (i.e. even if i have a 50% win rate, if im only right half the time, i'd still come out profitable because the trailing stop will shrink my risk in most trades). they're pretty comfy, you can make them as big as you want depending on what sort of risk profile you're working with, idk what your system is. it's generally best to base it off of the ATR though (average true range). it's usually 14 by default, so if you were on the daily time frame it would tell you what the average price range has been over the past 14 days. if on the 1m it would tell you the average amount price has moved per minute over the past 14 minutes.

>Bear markets END with recessions, not begin
woh

>shadow banks
what the fuck is Mike Wilson talking about...
he says these guys are part of what's causing the recession as they are forced to deleverage

but says the shadowbanks came about because banks are highly regulated, so should weather the recession better.

>>18039906
You should have an emergency fund in the bank at all times. The other thing you describe is the boglepill, and is based if you don't want to get fukt learning into trading.

>>18039918
Selling already?

>>18039906
it's actually a great time to start doing this because the market as a whole is collapsing. the key is "long term" and "don't need" here. anything you buy now (or lower) is likely to be super cheapies a decade or two from now.

>>18040022
Market collapse has been priced in.

>>18039885
i still don't know what would be a better answer than what they're doing to keep the markets and economy afloat until this coronavirus thing is dealt with globally. there really isn't a good answer.

>>18039848
What's your typical timeframe? You sound like your scalping. Just wondering.

>>18039996
Just got the FDA approval this morning and now has the best test on the market

I won't promise anything, but I feel very strongly about it skyrocketing further

>>18039981
this is more or less why i stopped feeling guilty for making money stock trading. fuck 'em. because they're gonna fuck us, might as well fuck 'em back if you can. like robinhood but only for me and without the shitty app, i use ToS.

>>18040035
your mom's asshole has been priced in. :^)

>>18040110
Do you know anything that isn't available on the news? This company's value looks like it's shit the bed for the past 5 years

>>18040132
do you really need to know anything else right now other than that? They can produce 100,000 tests weekly for as long as needed and they're fast and simple. I just wanted to drop in and give you guys a free pass to money

RKG you never replied to my email and you never added me on discord
You DUMB fucking SLUT
I'm GLAD GPRO died

Jobs report is going to be brutal. Bad times still ahead.

>>18040250
It won't be that bad. Everyone will just end up working from home or at Amazon lmao

>>18040271
Which is basically what's been happening anyway

>>18040250
With infinite QE, nothing's brutal. It's just going to drag this out painfully though.

Im so bored of the market and trading now. Guess Its time to quit and focus on ai instead.

Btw you want to go into tech stuff for long and rotate into the hardest hit after you get tech rebound.

>>18040293
pretty much, which is why it won't be that bad. i honestly don't mind having corrupt corporate overlords or whatever, as long as i get to live a nice long comfy lifestyle supported by the stock market.

>>18040250
>>18040341
Market will be green in May

Its v shaped

>>18039998

That's what I did initially starting out, now I just hedge my positions with covered OTM calls+long OTM puts with call premium. Limits my up and downside but I have better control of the range. If I wanted to gamble I'd just long options or take a $1000 and hit up atlantic city/vegas for the weekend.

Where is Mr bags
Did he die of the coronavirus
Was he brutally murdered by his elderly Asian gf like in that one Japanese horror film

Guys what if we just thought directions and mixed them with memory to do everything lol thatd be so stupid

aaaaaaa my spy puts

>>18040250
priced in

>>18040386
i don't mess around with options at all. maybe some day, i like how you can hedge with them compared to stocks where you can't. i see the mainly as a way to bet on volatility instead of price (i.e. not whether it goes up or down, but HOW MUCH it goes up or down regardless of direction), or as insurance (i.e. covered calls).

Ok so we do finally have a long term indication of where things may go from here.
We need to pay attention to QE infinity. If they continue past friday it's a sign that the markets will lock up regardless of their actions and instead we will begin seeing inflation beyond what is reasonable to the slow point (2 to 3 months) at which point it will pop.
If it pops. That's it. Everything goes. It's a mixture of stagflation which gives rise to hyperinflation.
At least according to one analysis of the effects of this

Im so long rn kek

>>18040510
Just put in my first option buy order. 4/17 190 SPY puts for 4.00.
Hopefully I can just resell the contract eow for a profit

Its possible and cheap to get total case numbers via genomics of the virus with a small sample size of sequences

You can use e mutation rate to determine it btw its pretty cool

Some are posted on virological website or nextstrain

Ppl are operating and trading with accurate total case numbers

>>18040599
in english doc

>>18040065
I'm generally operating on 1-minute and 5-minute candles and I'd say half my trades are scalps and the other half are a little longer like up to an hour. Cutting winners too soon tends to be my biggest handicap right now; by a significant margin. No matter how much I beat myself up trying to get myself to hold better, I can't seem to manage it. It's like I self-sabotage. I get a lot of absurdly good R:R trades (I mean absurdly good stuff like 16R fairly regularly) and end up killing them too soon making 10 cents on 80 cent moves and stuff like that. I figure if I could find a more sensible way to get out of my own way I would be on a totally different level. And that's where my curiosity about stops comes from.

I ask myself the questions: are there great opportunities? and answer yes. Are you in those great opportunities and in the right direction? In general, yes. Are you maximizing those opportunities? No. And the reason I think I'm not maximizing those opportunities is because I'm so on edge from the initial stages of the trade where I'm watching my exit like a hawk so I don't get slipped that on some level when it starts to work I just want to be out of it so I can relax. If I could just put in a stop at breakeven once the trade works and then worry about where I want to lighten up my sizing while letting price do its thing or just put a stop in right when I enter the trade and put one in at my target, my trades would play out a lot less stressfully.

>>18040567
ideally you shouldn't "hope". it's a numbers game. it shouldn't be about any 1 trade, it's about 100 or 1000 trades and how you do there. everyone ideally needs to develop a system that gives them an "edge", statistically, on the market, and that is how you make profit.

>>18040620
Genetic sequences of virus give accurate chains and total case numbers via some math.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20367503

why is everything mooning? VIX down below 50, oil going up?

millions and millions are unemployed and no new good news. what the fuck is going on?

Play the patience game... wait for only the best opportunities to present themselves. Moments where the risk to reward and probability of profit are so heavily skewed to one side, even a modest bet can produce gigantic returns. i.e. going long treasury yields via TLT calls or /ZN futures the first week the market started tanking. $1500 of buying power sunk in a single /ZN contract would have ended up becoming $20,000 in just two and a half weeks.

>>18040676
Aka u can determine accurate cfr. Accurate denominator for fatalities


Its a cheat code

>>18040243
email O_O ?

pls no mention G___ anymore :(

Public info on genetics of ncov
https://nextstrain.org/ncov

>>18040676
>>18040697
do the math for us, otherwise im too lazy to give a fuck. give me the numbers, nerd.

>>18040710
g...pro......

We’ve gotten ourselves a bottom, but at what cost?

>>18040687
Fed pulled the QE and it fucked me hard. I had a bunch in TVIX and I don't know if I just cut my losses now or wait until Weds/Thurs

>>18040742
Im bullish

>>18040510

It compliments my strategy well for my larger holds and unironically saved my mom's hide when she was fucking around holding BA around the 300 range. If you want to speculate you just go hard long options which some of these anons here did and struck it rich. If you're in to hedge you need to answer 3 simple questions; what's your time horizon, what's your intended profit take+loss cut, and is the expiry date going to be on a volatile week like ER/dividend/external event like fed conference or reports. That's what I do and rather lock in a upper limit of a 20% profit or take a 10-15% loss than leave the price float from 0 to infinity.

Do any of you cunts really think this is the bottom?

>>18040752
gpro......

>>18040845
Yeah. Just about.

Nooooooo Alll I wanted was to own a comfy lake cabin, nooooooo.

Jk, this is a small pump. I am going to make it.

>I will make it right?

The uncertainty is reducing

>>18040845
its getting close

>futures are green

Should I go all in on these? Feels like an easy way to 2x money

>>18040870
oh no no no...

Do people not realize unemployment claims can be seen per state before the jobs report?

>>18040904
Incorrect

>>18040884
Quite a bit

>>18040870
If you want to gamble go to a casino

Yo /smg/ I am a 19yo faggot and want to get rich quick. If someone wouldn't mind, how do I invest? for someone who is literally clueless.

>>18040899
I mean I started with $500, will I make it.
If I lose half I still did well, but I want enough for a house on a lake.

REeeeeeeeeee

>>18040904
They've told the states not to this week, wonder why...

>>18040938
No

>>18040845
Yes, if trump loosens restrictions in <2 weeks and we have unlimited QE then maybe things will actually go back to normal sooner than we thought

>>18040938
If you're too dumb to figure it out by yourself with Google then please, for your own sake, don't.

>>18040941
teach me master

>>18040769
Almost half the US population will be under stay-at-home orders starting this week and lasting for at least two weeks. It will take some advanced jewery to keep things from tanking further.

>>18040845
Fuck no.

>>18038537
>water isn't wet
That's bullshit and you know it. Dry water is ice or vapor. Water is the liquid form of H2O, the individual molecules of H2O slipping over each other makes water wet.
>water makes other things wet, it can't make itself wet
It literally does you brain dead ape.

From a governance point of view letting a few thousand boomers die every week is a lot easier to deal with than injecting trillions of dollars a week.

>>18040938
Well first of all, don't be a fag. Secondly, let the market rally for a while and short in hope of it working out since what you're asking for is just gambling either way

>>18040996
Except the boomers are the one running the money printer. They'd rather have the entire economy collapse than lift the lockdown and get exposed to coronga

>>18040979
I know we'll drop. I just don't know if TVIX will recover.

>>18040996
This and they will hope for summer or treatment

It has to switch to an old person stay at home only

>Goldman Sachs conference call released on podcast
>some expecting sell pressure to continue, push towards S&P at 2000

WHAT?!
Does anyone think its sposed to fall that far

>EOY S&P to 3000
WTF?!?!?!

Thursday will be green because eveyone's thinking of the same thing

>>18041073
Way higher than 3000

>TVIX down 50% today
>VIX down 10% in futures

Just fucking kill me now. I knew I shouldn't have bought it when it was that high. This is my biggest fuck up so far. FUCK.

>>18041073
anything is possible with hyperinflation my friend

I don't respect women, bros

>>18041160
got some music for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSKizLRFbTo&list=RDBqbkekpNefE&index=7

>>18041160
Nobody cares

If we get 2.5 trilly stimulus + deficit already + interest rates and fed stim

And its coronavirus ends in april mostly

Its going to the mooon

Will make ath in feb look like a healthy rally

>>18041177
The system is poised at the edge of the knife. Even with a stimulus the average person will still be laid off and they get fucking pennies while companies get free money with no obligation to pay it back

>>18040959
>trump loosens restrictions
>200 million get infected by july
>2 million die

BACK TO NORMAL

>>18040864
>>18040881
>>18040959
you guys really are deluded

>>18041200
Im not investing in workers

>>18041207
i hope so, im holding puts

>>18041122
I had a 75 strike price on my VIX calls. I'm out 2/3rds of my money. I doubt VIX is going to approach that price again unless something insane happens between now and April 17th.
I've still got a month so I'm just going to hold onto it for at least two more weeks to hedge against VIX movements upwards if something really does go crazy.

>>18041118
by the end of 2020?
>>18041138
I'll believe it when I see it... gold still crabbing around not doing much, dollar still too strong, deflation game STRONK

>>18041200
free money only can be used for paying rent, utilities, payroll, and some other stuff... basically pay the bills during a shutdown

>>18040941
How did you do this?

>>18041203
>BUT ITS A NOTHING BURGER ONLY OLD PEOPLE DIE SO IF WE LITERALLY LOSE 1% OF OUR POPULATION WE WON'T EVEN NOTICE
genuinely believe they're either cult member hodlers or actual retards

>>18040884
Unsurprising especially with trump saying he will lift the restrictions and get people back to work. Absolutely retarded on his part though. More people will get sick more will die. Hospitals will become more overwhelmed than they already are in epicenters of the infection. Stock market tanks further.

>>18041227
I think the ride's coming to an end, especially when the gibs bill is passed.

>>18040845
The government is injecting trillions of dollars in to fix the stock market. You gotta understand the stock market and reality are not closely related. Stocks can soar while the companies that underpin them are laying off their staff and losing their customers. You seriously think there's going to be a law prohibiting even incredibly obvious scams like buy-backs? This country just blew its load, and we didn't choose to help anyone who is going to get sick, get laid off or get evicted. We choose to save the market. And the market will be saved.

>>18041073
>2000 low
>3000 end of year
Both of those are easily possible. The post-Corona bull run will be screamer with all the stimulus money about to enter the market. Stimulus bill will pass in some form soon.

>>18041215
You're not investing in anything. You're watching countless americans get the shaft while companies are given money to absolve corporate debt and just jack up unemployment with no consequence.
>>18041233
The bill, hilariously, doesn't say that. Hell, the bill is insidious and it's no wonder the democrats are against it. Companies get free money, the american worker dies on the streets.

I say short every fucking position of those companies. Fuck them and their money.

>>18041315
Womp womp

>>18041315
the bill I was talking about was what the goldman sachs conference call was expecting or knew from the dem bill nancy proposed tonight. I don't know what's actually in it though.

>>18041281
The market will inevitably crash hard no matter what is done. Even if the stimulus as it is gets passed as is, it will mean fuck all given that the QE infinity is going to result in a price bubble with underlying debt and positions being inflated though costing the same until eventually any movement will pop that shit.
We have 2 maybe 3 months based on current numbers....
If the QE infinity happens beyond friday it's a sign that the economy period is on life support and the second it's removed from QE, everything collapses...

Don't be deluded and think you're choosing smart "investments" from here on out. You're betting on big line going up.

>>18041362
Nothing ever was real

Dont you get it yet

Look at this fucking board and crypto

Gold wasnt real either

>>18040845
no but in the short term yes. i think theres going to be a short term pump from the bailouts and then another drop after bad economy news then a fucking rocket to the moon after everyone starts going back to work when the virus subsides a bit in a couple months

The financial system is not the real economy

Its a system to allocate values. Its not real. The shit we buy or sell is real. A train factory is more real than gold silver btc or usd

So if ur not byying because fed is doing magic

Welcome to finance. Whether its shells lillies or shinies. Whatever having more of gets you the best pussy is what matters

If ur sitting on gold instead of chip fabs ur fucking crazy

>>18041407
Crypto was a pointless and ultimately speculative endeavor. Notice how all market interest evaporated after 2017 and how since then, it's been the developers essentially keeping it alive.

>>18041315
>The bill, hilariously, doesn't say that
Yeah I'm sure you read all 247 pages of it and you're obviously not just freaking out because you read a leddit post about it

>>18041362
>We have 2 maybe 3 months based on current numbers....
What are these "current numbers" you're talking about? Why 2-3 months? Are you just tired and bored or something?

>>18040250
p-pRiCeD iN

>>18040535
How can you have inflation with rising unemployment? If consumers don’t have money to spend prices can’t rise.

>>18041486
Btc is still in the thousands

>>18041505
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stagflation

guys google is toast

No sports on tv
No clubs or bars open

Fuck google is fucked the 1/3rd price cut is logical

>>18041573
>21 posts by this ID

>>18041486

It was a nice distraction from the usual financial markets, but ultimately it having too many bad actors and snake oil salesmen with vaporware, shovelware, and pnds just made it unfavorable for any serious player to stick their toe in the water without having their entire foot bitten off as a result.

>>18041505
Are you suggesting that if you simply printed infinite US dollars + had to quarantine/shut down travel industries that you would see prices go down because unemployment is rising?
That's exactly what the US will see in the coming months, inflation + unemployment + slowing economy

>>18041203
>2 million die
The beauty of it is, nobody will care. They'll suppress the numbers long enough for everyone to stop caring. And then it will just be another "conspiracy theory".

>economy was free falling before any lockdowns
>unlimited brrrr couldn't make a green day
>we are just at the beginning of this pandemic, shit is already getting worse and will get much worse
>somehow restarting the economy isnt going to hasten panic, infections, and ICUs getting saturated but is instead going to lead to a bull market
I think its time I learned mandarin because the US is about to become brazil tier

>>18041889
what should I buy

>>18041940
you cant with social media and phones

>>18041960
I don't really care because I'm in it for the long haul of retirement investing

>>18042052
what should you buy?

>>18042095
Total US stock market
Total International stock market
Cash (money market)

>>18042044
Yes you can. They'll say a lot of people died but instead of 2 million they'll say it's 100 thousand. What are you gonna do, count manually? Well at that point you're a conspiracy theorist.

HSBC. No need to thank me.

Dead thread?

>>18042133
Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS)

>>18038999
The devil is a part timer
Checked

>>18042324
/pol/tards left because the markets are stabilizing.

>>18042324
This is more the normal pace of /smg/ outside market hours.

>>18041203
>trump eases lockdown
>millions of boomers die
TRUMP HAS REGAINED THE MANDATE OF KEK!

US1M is negative

>>18042723
https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/?symbol=US1M

It’s oger.

>>18042723
>>18042756

My puts are basically fucked after today. I'm probably going to get raped on IV if I wait until Friday's unemployment numbers but I don't really have a choice, the money printer is out of control.

At least my longs are doing better. But 10% gains in a year feel like fucking nothing after doubling my money in 24 hours multiple times. I hate this, crash harder!

Anyone have a list of good divendend stocks. Trying tio invest but have no idea on what to buy besides a few stocks.

>>18043087
>doubling my money in 24 hours multiple times
Did you go all in. When did you start doing this.

>>18043106
lol companies are suspending dividends left and right

>>18042756
>>18042767
>THIS
>IS
>FINE

>>18043087
>But 10% gains in a year feel like fucking nothing after doubling my money in 24 hours multiple times.
you sabotaged yourself in the long run by messing up your expectations
many such cases
many, many, many such cases
creating realistic expectations is one of the keys to long-term success

>>18039160
That's literally C - The Money of Soul and Possibility.

I'm worried about my JBLU 4/17 $7 put, share price rose past it during after hours trading and I'm probably going to get wiped by IV, something I didn't take into consideration since it was my first options contract.

Anyways, I'm looking at SLV calls for a month out, I think silver is going to rise in price and the premium is relatively cheap. Do you guys think its worth?

>>18043123
Recall seeing a list some anon made with a large list of safe conpanies with dividends.


Nonetheless any stocks dividend or not that are safe choices?

>>18043114
NO. I fucking wish I had gone all in. Instead I was a fucking pussy and gambled less than $500 each time. I started a little under two weeks ago, so I was late to the party anyway.

>>18043130
I know. I guess I'm prone to addiction, I'm a recovering alcoholic too. That said I'm in a good situation financially anyway: plenty of cash, plenty of BTC, no debt, and a high paying government job that I can't get fired from.

>>18043106
KHC
ODP

>>18043173
>NO. I fucking wish I had gone all in. Instead I was a fucking pussy and gambled less than $500 each time. I started a little under two weeks ago, so I was late to the party anyway.
I know that feel. I was reckless with options last year and lost a lot of money. Now Im a pussy and only have 3 puts dated about a month out that currently in the red. How far out were you generally buying these puts out to?

>>18043087
>wait until Friday's unemployment numbers
Did they push it back again??

>>18043173
>NO. I fucking wish I had gone all in. Instead I was a fucking pussy and gambled less than $500 each time. I started a little under two weeks ago, so I was late to the party anyway.
Literally same exact situation as me. I was a bitch at first, then went hard into TVIX this week because I thought it was cheap. Then the fucking pump came in.

>>18043193
I've been doing 2-3 weeks out but I'm going to kick it up to 4-6 weeks out now that we're crabbing more than free falling. I'm tired of IV's dick in my ass.

>>18043201
They come out on the 27th, right? Friday? Please tell me I'm wrong and it's earlier.

Cornelia-tan was the best virus, better than Corona-chan.

>>18043184
Any particular reason for those? They both have been going down long term.

>>18043236
Oh I see. Wish I had been paying attention to stocks since Feb. Rather than gtfo'ing after losing $8k+ last year.

Part of me is telling myself
"Dont be scared just go all in if the trend continues you'll have enough money to not wagecucl for 10 years"

The other part says
"Dont be so reckless! You lose this all and all those years of wagecuckery were as if though you worked for free!"

If i dont take the risk though I'll likely never have enough money to retire prior to 45 (currently in my 20s)

>>18043215
That pump screwed me over. Worst part was a stock i had an option on hit a circuit breaker, second half of day it pumped hard...

>>18043302
>retire prior to 45 (currently in my 20s)
lol

Hello biz. Am sorry. Pleas forgive English.
Where were you when dow was kill?

Be me, eating mac cheese on lats.
Go to pages. See red line. My pages say 18.5. "Dow is kill"

"No"

>>18043236
>4-6 weeks
The premium is high on those btw. It's why one of the options i bought earlier today was 3 weeks out instead of 4 weeks. Just how much are you playing with, you sound like you could buy multiple option contracts with expensive premiums? I only have about ek to play with but some of it is for buying stocks. Got a few grand coming into my account tho. Be careful anon that you dont lose it all out of recklessness and impatience.

>>18043302
My plan is to just cut my losses and try to swing trade my way out of it. I'm going to have to move some big money though.

>>18043318
it's not that weird
I could >50% retire around that age if I never have a wife and kids (which seems to grow more likely with every passing year....)

>>18043318
Pls no bully I dont like working. I got bullied and treated passive aggresively in half the jobs I had and any attempt of standing up for myself is usually met with resistance.

What stocks are good long here barring a total mad max style collapse. I'm looking for stuff that got hit insanely hard like a good Covid + general crash 1/2. MGM stands out because it's down like 70%. Stuff like that. Maybe it'll end up a total bust and I'll be a bagholder but whatever.

>>18043392
PEP was down like 10% on Friday
easiest buy of my life
just take it slow, day-by-day, look for opportunities
I'm not interested in entertainment/recreation/oil right now, I see no reason to risk it.
but then I ended up buying a little BLMN (restaurant) because someone shilled it, so oh well
some real estate dabbling, even though that is risky as well, the prices are just so damn low

>>18043340
*3k

>>18043347
You sound like a man on a mission. Am very interested in seeing how your plays, play out. Wait a second in the last month your overall profit/loss is at a loss with what happened today?

>>18042418
Kek
I remember some money managers saying they were buying these early in the year when the outcome still looks good for 2020. I bet those haven’t done too well so far... better than stocks but worse than actual treasuries.

>>18043439
Yeah. I was playing really really safe, then made one huge stupid bet and lost 3x my gains.

why are their 2 /smg/s

>>18043462
Oh I see. So how are you going to play this? Wait for really green or red days and then make your moves with buy puts or calls options is what I assume you plan to do rather than hoping for it move more in either direction.

>>18043463
It's been like this for half the day and both end up with an autist making a new thread at the exact same instant.

US Corona cases are going to surpass Italy's in a few days. And you know what it will happen once it happens.

>>18043500
Pretty much.

>>18043509
>UNohDik

>>18043522
What will happen?

>>18043522
already priced in

>>18043523
Hopefully today was the pump and tomorrow is the dump otherwise the puts i bought today are gonna go down.

>>18043546
Are my 2 year out puts priced in?
>Yes
Are my 2 year out calls priced in?
>Yes

/CRAB'd/

Wait.
Is this uhhh bad?

Looks like maybe it’s good.

Why the FUCK did we have a negative yielding bond for a second there?!???!!

>>18043240
KHC has a massive dividend yield, makes the best macaroni and cheese and condiments etc.

ODP is a decent-enough retail operation. It's got a lot more going for it than people think. I think they are going to stick around for the long haul and the stock is cheap. Current dividend yield at today's closing price is something like 7%.

>>18043663
one of the worst things that you can be doing right now is buying stocks based on their marked dividend yield or P/E ratio or anything like that
those numbers are the PAST, they exist in an economy that we no longer inhabit

that being said, market buybuy KHC, road to $90 starts today

>>18043459
TIPS have characteristics that make them a very safe investment if you hold them over the long-haul. If your reason for investing versus holding cash is that you just don't want to lose value due to inflation, they're a good answer.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/tips.asp

>>18043691
People are still going to need office supplies and electronics in the mad max world of the future. Maybe even more so now that everyone needs to outfit their home offices and re-purchase school supplies homeschool their children.

>>18043723
That's fine, just understand that the dividends and earnings from previous quarters don't really hold much meaning anymore.
That goes for any company, and instrument. We have to make new quantifications, a new path forward in this fresh and exciting equity wilderness we find ourselves in.

>>18043657
>cut interest rate to zero
>BRO why bond yield negative????

>>18043846
Not really an answer though... very unusual for us treasuries to do this shit even at zero rates.

>>18041160
i don't respect bankers or anyone on this board
i respect scientists, engineers, doctors, nurses, teachers, trades, and service industry working in the private sector

>>18043522
Italy's 9.5% (and still riding) death rate means they've exhausted their testing capabilities.

>>18043918
*rising

>>18038447
It's okay. The market needs dumb money anyways.
>>18038441
>We only trade one way around here
BUY HIGH SELL LOW

>>18042756
Yeah that's shit even if it was a momentary thing. It's ever so slightly back in the positive now.

Will things go back to normal if the worst passes by the end of April?

>>18043130
True. I think beginner's luck sets you back months in terms of learning how to trade. When I started, I doubled my portfolio in three weeks. It took the better part of a year for me to learn than trading like that is low percentage and unsustainable. You blow up your account trying to martingale your way out of the grave you dug yourself. Sad! But you learn, you get better if you don't quit.

>>18042052
>I don't really care because I'm in it for the long haul of retirement investing
If you yank your money while losses are still low, you have more principal to throw around once we get closer to the bottom.

>>18043964
Mostly. There will be aftereffects.

>>18043964
we need to try and wrap this up by mid-April.
if we're burning through a trillion in debt money every week or two, every day counts.

>>18043940
RUDE
I just can’t watch days of material right now even if the world is on quarantine.

But it’s probably better than listening to all these Goldman Sachs and UBS and JPMorgan conference calls and explanations of whats going on in the markets and what non-governmental epidemiologists project and what to expect from this stage in a market cycle and such.

>>18044001
Fuck. Well I bought yesterday so I might trim into the morning green. The strange Trend lately is to immediately reverse what happened in the morning, sometimes nearly revisit it at the end of the session.

/v/ here, i come to buy stock. Should I spend neetbucks on marathon oil? It has a solid dividend from what I can tell

>futures

sup guys, did dow / spy puts out to 3/27 and 3/31 today. Held SQQQ as it bounced in and out of $30.

These threads are oddly lasting longer.
Oh, right, market reports:
S&P futures are up 4.5% on reports of good market results from ASEAN country markets.
HSI up 4.3% on reports of the QE infinity nuclear option being used.
NIkkei also up 7.4% based on the economic news in anticipation of liquidity from american markets.
Dow futures are up 800 pts on the same reports.
BTCUSD is currently 6597
JPYUSD: 110
EuroUSD: 1.08
And AUD: .59
Stocks are expected to at least start out trading positive tomorrow but uncertainty in the markets indicate QE may have a limited impact. unemployment claims are due out on thursday as is a possible vote on the Bill.

>>18043347
damn right swing trade out of it!1

>>18044027
Most of his videos have a blog version. It took me around 6 hours to read through them while taking notes.

>>18044075
Thank god. I'm waiting for a chance to jump back in. I really thought last Friday was the bottom.

>>18041573
sauce

newfag here
How much start up capital did you have when you got into stocks and bonds and shit.
i have at most 10k i'm willing to fuck around with atm. I have a little more in savings but this is the most I can afford to lose completely.

>>18044119
10k is plenty. Start with a third of that, max. The learning process can be... expensive.

>>18044097
THANK YOU FOR THIS
Like showing up to lecture with the slides printed out... I think that could be a big help for me.

how long until loan defaults begin boys?

>>18044133
ok cirno poster. I wouldn't be surprised if I fuck it up royally

>>18044156
>>18044156

>>18044156
>>18044156

>>18044156
>>18044156

>>18044156
>>18044156

>>18044156
>>18044156
sleep time
sleep time

>>18044164
Fucking around isn't investing , it's gambling.

>>18044159
You will fuck up royally at least once. Everybody does.

>>18044170
woops meant to quote >>18044119
>>18044159

>>18044170
oh no no no gamblingbros we got too cocky!

>>18044075
Futures have been a big bait and switch the last several days

>>18038391
They have no answers for you, fag. All mental masturbation. It's all just gambling

>watching bloomberg live stream
>presenters are coughing and breathing heavy