/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>18029239
Why not 50,000?

>>18029567
I dont know why people like you not agree.

SURE LETS GIVE 500 BILLION TO CORPORATIONS, LET'S BAIL THEM OUT WITH OUR TAXES.

When it comes to people all of a sudden it's impossible, its a dream, shouldn't be done.

And the worst part is that these fuckers getting all that money will just use it to buy their next mansion.

>>18029567

Ah yes, the classic (and only) republican argument lol

"Hurr durr why not make the tax rate 100% on everyone then if raising taxes by 4% is a good idea"

"$15/ hr minimum wage? Why not $500/hr huh? Hurrrrrrrr"

>>18029692
Not an argument.

>>18029239
Does nobody save money? Not even a few grand for if they lose their job or get hurt? Things that happen all the time.
Seriously, we deserve a depression for being unprepared, debt-acquiring, stupid spending drones.

>>18029567
why not get raped, faggot

>>18029824
most people make fucking nothing. if you dont work at a desk or have a union job you're basically fucked

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nearly-40-of-americans-cant-cover-a-surprise-400-expense/

>>18029567
Bring it on. I am fucking ready. My body is ready. 50k a month for everyone until this 'crisis' is over.

>>18029659
Instead of giving 500 billion to corporations they could get 1 Million to each american, and we'd all spend it and stimulate the economy. these people just dont care about us

>>18029659
No they like giving money to steal other peoples resources and kill their families AND handing all their money over to corporations while the real people around them suffer and close their businesses/lose their jobs.

>>18029659
>When corporations go BK its the CEO's that suffer
HAHAHAAHAHAHA you should watch Dick and Jane retard

>>18029239
Communists arent people

>>18030040
ok incel

>>18030078
Found the communist

>>18029692
>>18029848
Keep fighting. It's what ((they)) want desu.

>>18029692
why not 50,000 tho?

>>18029239
Yes goy, take the dollars from the Fed so you can keep paying the treasury, so the treasury can pay interest to the Fed, so the Fed can keep paying you. What a wonderful idea why didn't we think of that earlier

>>18029941
$500 billion divided evenly across the US population amounts to roughly $1500 each, not even remotely close to $1 million

>>18029941
it will all trickle down

>>18029239
lol conservatards and centrists voted against bernies medicare for all and now they are all about to be bankrupted by the coronavirus treatment bills. lmao. potetic justice. this time their greed has come back to haunt them.

Just give everyone $1 million, even illegals. Let's bring everyone from Africa over and give them a million as well. There's clearly no consequences to money printing so let's have it solve all of our problems.

>>18029239
you know you'll be paying income tax on this right

>>18029239
who's going to decide when the crisis is "over" and the checks aren't needed? Which politician is going to dive on the grenade and say "ok free money is over"? The problem with recurring checks is the probability of them ever ending is low, and now we've accidentally back-doored a poorly-thought-out and arbitrary UBI that was never meant to be permanent. A "one-time" check is better, even if it is with the expectation that the need for another check will be evaluated in the future. I just don't think it's a good idea to make people think they're just going to start getting checks every month.

>>18029567
Just give it to the banks and rich like we have been.

>>18030223
It's like there's an option in the middle somewhere

>>18030078
Rope for commie fags

>>18029904
I make WAY less than the vast majority of people. I always have at least $1500. It really isn't that difficult. People have a spending problem more than they have an income problem.

>>18029567
Might as well. The Fed has announced infinite QE, literally gorillions of free money.
Why not give everyone a million if the printer prints anyway?

>>18030040
Bernie isnt a communist

>>18030271
there's no reasoning with burgertards

>>18030534
>not a real communist

Yeah someone who vacationed in the USSR at the height of the cold war and wrote letters of support to the marxist Sandinista guerrillas then publicly supported Chavez in Venezuela isn't a "real communist" he's just a misunderstood socialist right?

>>18029567
under normal circumstance helicopter money is a bad plan, but these aren't normal circumstances
the fed goes QE to infinity and beyond, they are bailing out all of europe, japan and even fucking brazil
huehuehue monkeys get fedbux while if you even suggest a single american gets something you balk at the thought

everybody is doing all out money printing, all fiat is going to crash so in the meantime massive stimulus to average americans allows the us to come out of this crisis as the best player
just remember to divert your gibsmedats into hard assets
and i am saying this as a europeon btw, so don't deflect with retarded burger thinks he is invincible

>>18030382
depends on your priorities i guess, lots of people have shitty lives and are fine cutting it closes for some immediate comforts

I demand 3000 a month for the duration of my unemployment
I pledge to donate 20 a month to Sanders's underdog campaign

HOW ABOUT GIVING EVERYONE A $1,000,000,000 LUMP SUM THEN WE CAN ALL BE BILL GATESSSSS

>>18029239
the bailout can happen, as long as that means the government now owns the company

>>18030534
>>18030599
even just a couple weeks ago, in the midst of a failing presidential campaign, the fucker STILL couldn't help but defend Castro

>>18029824
Based

>>18030658
That's my point. Immediate gratification and mass consumption is all most people know. That's their choice to make but at a certain point they'll pay the price no matter what we do to shield them from the consequences.
In regards to trumpbux, most retards will waste or misuse any amount of money we give them.

>>18030875
I mean if they spend it, they spend it, right? the money is going somewhere at least. At scale it's not really that different from c-suites enriching themselves in the short term and then begging for cash from the government. Making a value judgement on what people do with potential safety net money is a moral/political problem, not an economic problem.

Where does Bernie get off saying anything when he's out campaigning and not even in D.C. to vote.

>>18030382
How much do you make per month, how much is your rent/housing per month, how high are your utilities, and how high is your car/medical insurance?

Why not 1 trillion dollars to each person?

>>18029239
based

>>18030875
Immediate gratification and mass consumption is literally the only thing keeping the economy afloat.
Imagine for even two seconds what would happen if the millennials and zoomers dump everything they didn't use for housing/food into their savings like their grandparents did. All the boomers are dead from Coronachan so there's nobody left to blow literally all their cash on stupid shit.
What happens to the economy then? How exactly is this any different from a stay-at-home order from the perspective of the retailers?
The economy is fundamentally structured around fiscal irresponsibility. The only thing that the last 30 years have ever done is see how hard you can squeeze the working classes while retaining their ability to still consoom on a regular basis.

>>18029567
WHY NOT 100,000?

>>18029659
Americans are literal double digit IQ afro judeo hispanic cave goblins. Why do you expect anything but utter malice, stupidity and evil from such a creature?

What would be the impact in crypto if they started handing these 2k dollars to every American, for like 6 months?

>>18029567
Based

>>18031644
Anyone that works at Wells Fargo has probably done this in the last 20 years

>>18031644
Roschilds control the Fed?

>>18031789
Yet here you are competing for the attention of Americans. What does that say about you?

>>18030126
That would cause more inflation and even without inflation, the goal of UBI is not to give people so much money they don't feel the desire to work to buy nicer things

>>18031936
Why not 3000 then?

>>18031936
And 2k will not cause inflation? Explain to me how printing more pieces of paper can make a country richer.

Do this once and the American public will get used to this so fast you will have a call for checks with every crisis

>>18031968
If you print less money than the currency is naturally deflating than nothing happens

>every person

No, fuckin commie trying to pay illegals

>>18029239
Considering what people get compared to the corporations, it's not even a drop in the bucket. The longer this pandemic lasts the more likely we will get UBI.

>>18032023
If we get UBI I would never work another day in my life

>>18032099
How great, you'll become completely dependent on the state. That definitely can't go wrong.

>>18031968
A little inflation is okay, you just don't want too much and giving literally everyone a 600k/year income will lead to immmediate, noticeable inflation because our economy actually can't support everyone living at that level.

>>18032149
>A little inflation is okay,
It isn't ok, inflation makes poor people poorer because their money becomes less worthy, it also incentivizes spending mindlessly instead of saving.

>>18029692
>>18030117
This. Democracy isn't real and the kikes control both parties.

>>18029239
>Give tards $2k per month
>Inflation drives expenses up $3k per month
what did he mean by this?

>>18032099

Yeah you will. You'll want to add to what you get with your UBI, America is the land of a side hustle.

>>18032138
If they're going to give me the options of living off someone else's hard work and working hard so someone can leech off me it's a no brainer

>>18032341
No way you fucking faggot what do I need extra money for?

>>18032149
We want deflation, to have passive yearly monetary value increases. It gives an incentive to not mindlessly spend on frivolous shit and instead save. Saving is important in daily life, as it acts as a reserve you can depend on.

>>18029824
If that's gonna be your argument fine, but then you should be arguing against corporate bailouts even more vociferously because those stupid capitalist corporations cant last a fucking week without a check from the govt.

>>18029659
AMERICANS WILL JUST WASTE IT ON VIDEOGAME MICROTRANSACTIONS AND BOOZE

>>18030599
The Russia trip was for a sister cities program which Reagan himself called a great exchange in easing tensions with the Soviets.

The sandanistas were the fucking good guys you retard, the US backed contras(which we sold weapons to Iran to help fund) were murdering US nuns and civilians. Read a fucking history book you retard.

>>18031237
Where is he campaigning?

>>18032291
>>18032423
Deflation leads to a deflationary spiral which would crash the economy. When the best investment is to just hold on to your money, currency velocity drops to zero and every industry collapses.

>>18032427
They can't last a week because the government has been stealing their profits to redistribute to the brown hordes, the least the government can do is sustain them during a crisis. Individuals are perfectly capable of saving money if they're not mouth breathing retards who immediately spend their entire paycheck on booze, weed, and new sneakers

>>18030382
Ah yes, the anecdotal "Well I'm okay, therefore everyone else is stupid!" argument. Well done, you've disproved the existence of poor people everywhere.

>>18032443
Yup. That's where all the money will go. Totally. You people are a fucking joke.

>>18032382

Having any chance of getting pussy.

>>18032572
Maybe you're an idiot too but you just can't face it

>>18030078
P H Y S I C A L. R E M O V A L

>>18032562
We CUT their taxes so they could buy back their stocks you fucking retard. Most of the really huge companies pay almost nothing in federal taxes, wheres their profits being stolen to pay for the brown hordes?

Have you ever actually looked at the breakdown of where your tax money goes? For an average family that makes 50k a year, like 400 dollars goes to welfare programs like snap and such. 6000 goes to corporate subsidies. Tell me which one is the problem? It's like worrying about a kid stealing some chips from the liquor store while theres a serial killer on the loose in town.

>>18032599
I have a girlfriend, so guess I'm set, enjoy the side hustle to pay for your prostitutes lmao

>>18032717
Do you just believe everything you read on reddit without critically thinking about any of it?

>>18030599
That’s all cool though, the Sandanistas and the USSR were based

>>18031968
Giving trillions to the banks won't cause inflation?

>>18032556
Good. Over 13% of companies are zombie status right now (not meming, meaning that net cash flow =< interest required to service long term debt.

A brief period of deflation is needed to cull the deadwood. With lower velocity of money capital will be directed only towards mutually benefitial exchanges as they actually arise. As it stands money is changing hands for the sake of moving, not for the sake of value exchange. Having a high velocity of money is only a good thing if the exchanges in question actually transfer value. If money is just moving without meaningful value exchange then the economy is no longer serving it's purpose as a capital measuring, weighing, and distributing system.

>>18029567
should make in 100k and atleast a free lambo desu

>>18029941
Your away off by a factor of like 10.
500 billion is not even close to enough money to give each american 1 million. It's enough to give every man,women and child. 1500 dollars.
and if we're only talking about grown men and women, only around 3k each.

>>18029239
>>18031644
IT PRINTS MONEH
BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

>>18030599
>sandinistas were the good guys contras were raping nuns

Oof. Read a book or better yet travel to Nicaragua nigger. The sandinista leadership was exclusively upper middle class bourgeois who had studied in the USSR and were radical marxists. Comandante Zero , one of the original Sandinista leaders who led one of the most important and famous operations against Somoza, eventually abandoned them once they took power and started a soviet inspired dictatorship. He led a group of contras against them. Why? Because the Sandinistas started going to Indian reservations and forcibly imposing Marxist doctrine down their throats and taking over everything. The miskito indians made up a large # of contras because the commies had come to their land and seized everything just like every other marxist government at the time was doing. A lot of the poor peasants in the mountainous regions of Nicaragua who had supported the fight against Somoza and who a generation before had fought with Sandino himself joined the Contras and fought against the new communist regime that was trying to take over the entire country. Those rebels received weapons and training from the CIA just like the Sandinistas received open and covert weapons, training, and advisors from the USSR and Cuba. The Sandinistas also funneled a lot of weaponry and training advisors to other communist insurgencies all over South America.

Nowadays the Sandinista regime is one of the most oppressive ones in central America. The children of the ruling marxists all vacation in Miami and have lots of money while the common people are getting shot in the street for protesting against decades of faux-democracy under the Sandinistas.

Why are commie apologists so dumb?

>>18033584
This was obviously meant for these commie fags
>>18032764
>>18032506

>>18029567
money printer goes brrrrrrrr

>>18033584
I've been there Ortega is based and cares about his people, it's the yankee imperialists who prevent the revolution from being successful.

>>18032697
He's exactly right. There's such a complex and variable state to the different economic circumstances for every individual. USA has many mini economies within it's self. It's not just one flat out base economy.

People do generally seem to spend like idiots but he's not wrong whatsoever. I have to save like my life depends on it almost due to economic circumstances. Yes some are my own but realistically, don't be so simplistic. Calling someone an idiot just because they don't agree and you failing to understand their perspective, and see if it has validity, means you're calling the kettle black.

>>18033584
I've been to Nicaragua, and yes it wasn't as clear as good guys vs bad guys. You had guys on either sides fighting for the right reasons, both being manipulated to some degree.

At the end of the day though, CIA intervention was illegal and immoral. The USA can't be callig itself leaders of the free world if it's going to covertly meddle in another country's internal affairs or just straight up go to war with it like it did Vietnam. The FSLN did more good for the country than anything. At least certainly back in its glory days before now capitalizing once again to American and now Chinese interests.

Nicaragua is just one example, you can look at Chile with Pinochet and Allgende. Guatemala and all the banana republic of the 1950s, even Nicaragua back in the 1920s.

>>18030875
>Endure your shitty squalor with no comforts just so you can prolong your shitty squalor with no comforts
You people live in a fantasy land. Humans aren't robots. People aren't all going to live in a pod, eat bugs, and put what little money they have left after bills and necessities away for the grandiose savings goal of maybe having a grand or two tucked away after 6 months of eating ramen, and at the end of it all effectively only having enough money to cover a single month's rent unless you live in some economically desolate middle of nowhere town. Get some perspective. I may make six figures now in software development but I spent most of my life blue collar up until a year ago. Shit is hard for folks out there right now, especially after 2008. Money doesn't go anywhere near as far as it used to, and cost of living is skyrocketing almost every year now.

>>18030253
Checks every month and death to the party that gibs us not.

>>18029659
>SURE LETS GIVE 500 BILLION TO CORPORATIONS, LET'S BAIL THEM OUT WITH OUR TAXES.
>When it comes to people all of a sudden it's impossible, its a dream, shouldn't be done.
Okay, so only people that pay taxes get this bailout. Hows that for halfway?

>>18031711
>The only thing that the last 30 years have ever done is see how hard you can squeeze the working classes while retaining their ability to still consoom on a regular basis.

Fucking this. Cost of living has gone to the fucking moon while wages stagnant and job markets go globalhomo to fuck locals out of jobs for H1-B's when you actually 'grab your boot straps'. Literally everything they can possibly stack against the middle class right now they are. Taxation, stagnating wages, the most cut throat job market in human history where you have to compete with thousands for a single position because the internet lets employers have unprecedented cherry picking, rent has gotten utterly ridiculous, etc.

FFS I'm only 31 and I remember when all the shit we buy these days was 75% cheaper. You have to be blind or malevolent at this point to not see the downward spiral we're rapidly careening down.

>>18032562
>They can't last a week because the government has been stealing their profits to redistribute to the brown hordes,
Corporate tax is effectively 0% in burgerland you deluded cunt

IF A BUSINESS RELIES ON SUBSIDIES AS ITS MAIN REVENUE STREAM, IT IS EFFECTIVELY PART OF THE GOVERNMENT

>>18029239
we need to get 1mil every day to every American, that'll show'em!

Disclaimer: when Bernie says 'every person in this country's he also means every person living in Africa and South America as well

>>18034221
How about nobody gets bailed out and all the leveraged up assholes go fuck themselves? That includes retarded airlines and individual midwits with student loans

>>18029824
Reopen the debt jails

>>18030078
Fuck off degenerate

>>18029239
>Yang Gangers and meme Democrats call for UBI for like 10+ months
>YANG GANG LOL FUN MEME YANG GANG YANG GANG GIB $1,000
>nothing happens, rich people continue to cuck brainlet plebs

>finally fucking Mitt Romney of all people starts a realistic call for $1,000 (minimum) distributions to the plebs
>Trump somehow hops onto the idea

>Dems backpeddle
>Bernie's big idea is.... give more than $1,000
>Establishment Democrats do a 180
>Haha guys we didn't really mean it.... wait...... what about m-muh immigrants??? Hello?!!! KIDS IN CAGES!!! You guys don't really want $1,000 do you? Wait -- small interest loans for businesses!
>uhhhh w-we just want more for the little folk and less for the corporations, so we will block any amount of money for the little folk


Fucking KEK. Establishment Democrats and their ilk need to be taken out back and shot. These motherfuckers are ruining our one and only chance to ever test any form of governmental UBI. Despicable humanoids.

>>18034399
Agreed and lets give 1 trillion to the banks while we are at it.

>>18030271
There isn’t as soon as you give out any free shit it will just make these parasites more entitled. They will demand more and more. I’ll get the relief $ but I know it will just negatively effect prices of food etc.. free stuff always has some type of price

>>18031890
You need to lurk more loser

>>18034503
Dems blocked it because Mitch threw in $500 billion slush fund for corporate executives who's wallets got hurt by stocks tanking

>>18034460
You have the same opinion of the banks that have already gotten their trillions?

>>18031974
THIS. It will literally make everyone into a whiny entitled baby when any natural disaster or man made disaster happens. Trumpbux are a recipe for disaster as is ANY ubi legislation. You can feed a man a fish a day but if you give him a fishing pole he will fish himself.. the US dollar can’t prop itself up while giving everyone free fish

>>18029239
That's nothing as the number one world power the US should be paying for every single citizen on Earth 10000 American dollars.

>>18032382
GLOW MORE YOU FAGGOT THINK TANK COMMIE

>>18034578
>Mitch threw in $500 billion slush fund for corporate executives who's wallets got hurt by stocks tanking

yeah, and while I agree that's pure unbridled corruption and it fucking sucks, I think the dirty rat Democrats should have bit the bullet and passed the fucking bill.

>>18034230
I think boomers are finally realizing how fucked younger generations are but many are still arrogant

>>18029659
>>18029692
>>18029848
>>18029904
>>18030078
>>18030200
>>18030599
>>18031010
>>18032572
Where did all you commie fags come from? Ever since the markets have been down there has been constant commie shilling. Is it an influx of newfags or are we being pysoped by commies? Also pic related is what is coming to you parasites

>>18030599

>Democratic Socialist
>Socialist
>Communist

Lmfao yeah sweetie there's literally no scale to any of this it's all just Venezuela

>>18034579
No, I love banks! We should bail them out!!

What do you think, dumb ass?

>>18034675
>If you don't support corporations literally taking over your government and installing a techno-dictatorship, you're a commie

Nigger I'm a libertarian. Trump bux are a stupid idea but it becomes downright hypocritical to go giving literally TRILLIONS to corporations and banks to keep them afloat when they already have shitloads of money. The rest of us have to 'save at least 3 months income' and all this other 'rugged individualism', but any company that knows who's palms to grease in an election year gets full blown yuropoor socialism on my fucking dime every time a crisis hits while the rest of us are told to suck it up? Eat a cock.

>>18034722
Dumbass is one word and we're on the same page. Fuck em all.

>>18034815
I thought it was some typical commiefaggot rhetorical question, I apologize. Whenever I mention not giving money they like to strawman me as a supporter of bailing out banks. Typical CIA tactic which is not surprising considering American leftists have been heavily infiltrated by CIA more than any other US movement

>>18034732
Me too, I think neither should get money. This needs to play out as it needs to without government intervention for a healthy recovery. Its not my fault you don't know how to manage money, i have no sympathy for someone whos a grown ass man and cant save up $3000

>>18034675
>my main source of news and social interaction is muh pwecious lil bubble
>what is going on in the world

>>18032562
>They can't last a week because the government has been stealing their profits
nice one

>>18034583
The entirety of industrial society is a free fish being given away. Go make a pencil without any help from past engineers and scientists.

>>18032556
That's the most retarded shit I've ever heard. Where do people even get these ideas into their heads? Do they seriously think the world will burn down if currencies increase in value?

I'll help you all out. The McConnell bull would have had you paying all the money back in the following years tax return deduction.

Furthermore, it was loaded with corporate bailouts.

We can fix at least one of those problems

>>18034129
All the countries you mentioned were being aided by the soviets during the cold war. I know very well how fucked the CIA is, but dont act as if it acted in a vacuum and marxist terrorists werent planting car bombs, dissapearing people, and inciting uprisings all over the region and paid for this with funds and training and support from the soviets, east germans, etc. For a commie apologist you sound unfamiliar with marxit guerrilla doctrine which openly calls for "covertly meddling in other countries internal affairs" so dont act surprised because the usa used counterinsurgency tactics in return. Your whole point about the Sandinistas being the good guys is obliterated by anyone who lives there they are a fucking dictatorship who send armed thugs to guard polling stations and intimidate voters and who set up an ultra violent internal security police apparatus who is disappearing dissenters and anyone calling for democracy and an end to government corruption

>>18033584
>the sandanista leadership was exclusively upper middle class bourgeious
Even if that were true(its not as simply reading wikipedia would show you if you were capable of even that) there's nothing wrong with throwing off an upper middle class identity to build solidarity with the working class, in fact thats honorable.

>Comandante Zero...started soviet inspired dictatorship
He LEFT the sandinistas to join the Contras you fucking retard. You try to cite him as evidence that the Sandinistas were bad but he was bad because of what he did AGAINST the Sandinistas. Thats some fucking double think if i've ever seen it.

>Sandinistas did bad
Nobody's arguing that, if you had read any history you would understand that even the "good" guys do bad things(US bombing of dresden) but an adult choice of foreign policy is based on distinctions, something you seem to be incapable of making. The Contras were overtly attacking civilians, the CIA made it an issue of strategy to go murder civilians. Tell me which is worse, lands being seized or murdering tons of civilians?

>[contras] received weapons and training from the CIA just like the Sandinistas received open and covert weapons training from USSR and Cuba
But look at the political motivations. These things are not even fucking close to being the same. Please open a fucking book on US involvement in third world countries and compare what the USSR did and what the US did.

Also keep in mind we started this with discussing Bernie and his views on the Sandinistas which were frankly correct, quality of life vastly improved after the revolution, and the US support of the contras was absolutely heinous and indefensible(despite your attempts to defend it). Bernie is responsible for what the US does because he is a citizen here. This is his country(like you and me) and the actions of the US are things he is responsible for. He is not a citizen of Nicaragua and does not maintain responsibility for what the Sandinistas do.

>>18034880
Tell that to the banks retard

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>>18029239
Or could just ask family, friends or acquaintances for help.

>>18034612
How about "no." I'm sick of American society bailing out these leeches, and I care more about telling them to fuck off than I do about passing a one-time check for the wageslaves to pay a single month's worth of rent and then go homeless anyways in the 3 month long quarantine.

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>>18036627
She looks like the very fine 'hand models' who work at the rub & tug.

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>>18036759
Oh, I missed the pornsite logo in the corner. So hand model confirmed then.

>>18029239
Agreed. This is a demand shock. Supply chains are disrupted, but still intact and will remain operational when the quarantines are lifted.

>>18029567
Based lets do it

>>18036790

>>18036232
>Comandante Zero , one of the original Sandinista leaders who led one of the most important and famous operations against Somoza, eventually abandoned them once they took power and started a soviet inspired dictatorship. He led a group of contras against them. Why? Because the Sandinistas started going to Indian reservations and forcibly imposing Marxist doctrine down their throats and taking over everything.

That was my original post you braindead commie scum. Learn to fucking read. I said Comandante Zero one of the original leaders LEFT the sandinistas because THEY became an oppresive murderous marxist regime.

As always filtht communists can only lie, distort, and use pilpul. You try to invert my message and say he was bad because he turned against the sandinistas, whereas my argument is that he is a hero to Nicaraguans because he fought against Somoza and then fought against the Sandinistas when they too became the opressors. I will not even bother with the rest of your stupid post because you have proven yourself to be a retarded communist who can only distort his opponents' arguments when he has no logical response.

>>18029941
>Instead of giving 500 billion to corporations they could get 1 Million to each american
You'd make a great MSNBC host

>>18029239
How about neither?

>>18035158
>Your whole point about the Sandinistas being the good guys
I didn't say that though

And again, the difference is that the Soviet Union never pretended to be Le Freedom Land Good Guys that the USA pretends to be while raping nuns in El Salvador because banana farmers want to unionize.

>>18037475
>THEY became an oppresive murderous marxist regime.
excessive and downright false rhetoric.

I just read the bill. This is undoubtedly some of the best (proposed) legislation in recent memory. Demographic disclosure is a great way to close the gender and racial wage gaps. This is an wonderful blow to the institutional sexism/racism that’s pervasive in the corporate world.

>>18037652
>the Soviet Union never pretended to be Le Freedom Land Good Guys

Another stupid comment by a stupid commie. Have you never even read Marxist and USSR propaganda, doctrine, or intellectual literature? Its whole worldview is that they are "the good guys against American imperialism " jesus fucking christ if you think American propaganda about freedom is bad you clearly have never studied marxit propaganda.
>raping nuns
The sandinistas commitee many more massacres against priests and nuns because, in line with marxist doctrine, they saw the church as an enemy. Not only did they assassinate religious figures who opposed communism and supress Nicaraguan catholics,once in power they tried to subvert the Nicaraguan church and promoted the public image of the few radical marxists priests who had joined them
>>18037701
>the contras are yankee bloodthirsty mercenaries who raped nuns and killed chilluns
>you cant criticize the Sandinista regime thats excessive rhetoric

Running out of tricks commie faggot?

>>18029659
i feel ya. its a good point. with alot of good reason behind it.
but there is some merit to the argument for preserving existing businesses if possible, because that's where the jobs are, once things get going again.
where. if you let alot of businesses fail, then new ones have to start up before those jobs are available again. which could take longer
def still true though that some businesses just don't deserve to be bailed out

>>18029904
I make $20K but have net worth $100K. Americans are niggers.

>>18031931
That people also like to go to Zoos

>>18037841
>>the contras are yankee bloodthirsty mercenaries who raped nuns and killed chilluns
There were no contras in El Savador.

For someone who's really emotionally invested in this, you sure don't know a whole lot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_murders_of_U.S._missionaries_in_El_Salvador

>>18037841
and hey while you're here and triggered, let's see you defend the US-backed Allende dictatorship, this should be fun.

>>18037932
I never claimed there were contras in el salvador. Since we have been discussing the Sandinistas for over an hour I figured you were smart enough to make the connection. Of course, like the good little commie rat you are, you have no comebacks or real arguments so you can only deflect.

If you want to bring up el salvador though we can also talk about the massacres against catholics committed by marxist guerrillas during the civil war. Filthy commie faggot

>>18029239
It's a pretty good idea desu

>>18037772
You're obviously falseflagging trying to criticize that aspect of it. But what exactly is wrong with disclosing information? How is that a meaningful drawback?

>>18030282
Follow your leader. Communism will win.

>>18029692
If giving out money is not irresponsible then why not more money?

>>18032755
Do you read any history before posting?

>>18038052
This is a thread about Bernie Sanders. You're the one screeching about 1950s banana republics and how Vietnam was a good thing.

>>18029659
>Hurr durr why not make the tax rate 100% on everyone then if raising taxes by 4% is a good idea
This but unironically

>>18038248
dude lmfao lets give everyone $100k but tax it at 100% so the government gets a ton of free money out of nowhere

>>18038248
Was meant for >>18029692

>>18029239
>all of American political and economic differences are now just politicians trying to outdo each other on gibs
God the dollar is so fucked it's actually funny

>>18031789
>afro judeo hispanic cave goblins

(((Discord))) banned the /biz/ server, get in the new one bros
discordb gg kjGsbrW
dfhg

>>18029659
Socialism is only allowed for the rich, specially the rich jews
You can not have it for anyone else, unless it's to keep minorities from improving themselves and herding them into voting for whatever you need, then you can have it sporadically

>>18038197
>bernie wasnt a communist he only supported the Sandinistas
>well ok but the sandinistas were the good guys
>muh america and salvador
>why did you provide arguments proving the Sandinistas were NOT the good guys stop talking about them this is a thread about bernie sanders

Im glad we have poster id so anyone reading this thread when it gets archived can see the sopphistry of communists at play. Your deflections and butthurt will live forever on the interwebz

>>18036880
I’d give my life to smell her asshole.

>>18030185
Wait for the platinum trillion dollar coins

>>18033584
>CIA good
Kill yourself glowie

>>18038487
Again, I'm not the one who made the original claim. You just spout off nonsense at every post including /b/ tier reaction images, you're looking to get into an argument with 5 different people.

Bernie isn't a communist. He's a socialist.

If you don't know the difference or you don't think there is a difference, don't waste your time or mine and just stop replying.

Also the Sandinista weren't that bad when the alternative was getting raped by dogs in a Allende concentration camp. A lot of South Central America just constantly flip flopped between leftist military coup and right-wing dictatorship in the 50s-80s.

Chile was both the exception and a prime example because its leader was a full blown marxist and he was fairly and fully elected into office by the Chilean people. And then subsequently murdered and overtaken by a CIA puppet that installed said concentration camps with dog rape. I'm not even being facetious that happened for real.

>>18038793
>a Allende concentration camp
*Pinochet concentration camp.

>>18029567
This is a good idea, comrade.

>>18035052
Of course they will. The entire modern economy is predicated on constant consumer spending. It's not just about products and services, it's the people employed to provide those, whose jobs wouldn't exist anymore without an inflationary drive to discourage saving. Social security is dependent on it too.
Obviously it's unhealthy and unsustainable, but it's how our economy has been structured for many decades now, and simply letting deflation take hold would not fix anything on its own. It requires a total paradigm shift in how businesses and the government are run and how people live their lives. The only other options are to keep this ponzi scheme chugging along for as long as possible, or pulling the rug out and letting millions of people who dutifully followed the instructions of their economists and politicians suffer and die. You can be all edgy and say yeah do that, but you know nobody in power will make that choice voluntarily.

>>18032596
This. People who have given themselves absolutely no safety net, who save 0 money, who spend up their entire paycheck the day they get it - they will spend any money we give them very responsibly.

Too many armchair economists that live in their mom's basement here.

They have to print more money no matter what.

Believe in fucking crypto.
That is our only savior after all the boomers completely fucked us.

So in conclusion: the international economy is literally a ponzi scheme so that the world's boomers can max out their pensions at the expense of the younger generations, facilitated by the jews on wall street and international equivalents who stand to profit from the situation?

>>18029659
> 2000 x 300,000,000 in debt
> Every month.
What could possibly go wrong?

what if instead of Communists burning some other country to the ground and implementing their genius utopian ideology what if instead we just live in different countries and they can do their awesome communism over there and we can do our oppressive capitalism or whatever the fuck over here?

I know I'll be begging to get into your communist country in no time but I'll just have to live with my bad decisions

>>18039970
They'd have no productive citizens to rob so their country wouldn't even get off the ground.

>>18039970
Nobody wants actual communism, people want social democracy, which has already been successfully implemented in multiple countries.

>>18040313
>Successfully
>Had to set up a '''''trade bloc''''' just to rob other countries to sustain their systems, as well as mass importation of 3rd worlders as their retarded system and exporting of jobs ensured next to no one would have kids or produce anything.
>Now currently imploding due to failing economics and mass violence.

>>18040371
Successfully by empirically measurable metrics, yeah. Education, health outcomes, infrastructure, criminal justice systems, economic mobility, etc. Of course they're failures when your metric of measurement is dumb /pol/ memes.

>>18029567


implying i would be against this

only if it's universal and a neet like me gets it as well

>>18040466
A system so successful it won't even last 100 years before it's overthrown. Wow, sure showed me. It's like the naziboos on this board, caught up in some utopian fantasy where the government can ever be trusted to have any meaningful interaction in your day to day life without abusing the shit out of whatever power you gave them to do it.

>>18040512
>the majority of the western world will have their governments overthrown in the next 100 years
that's some cool fanfiction, but I'm not sure why anyone should believe it. If anything the US government is more dysfunctional than the governments of the countries I'm talking about.

>>18040593
Who said anything about governments overthrown? You can overthrow retarded systems without burning your country down. We didn't have to burn down the west just to get a bunch of childless socialist ''''leaders'''', did we? Not every thing is some autistic boogaloo LARP.

>>18040371
>EU
>imploding
>failing economics
It was doing fine until Corona-chan fucked it up

>>18040609
OK. Your assertion that social democracy is going to be overwhelmingly rejected is, again, fanfiction, since social democratic policies are, according to current data, apparently working better than the alternative.

>>18040653
>>18040661
Okay Hans, see you in a couple years I guess. Have fun battling muhammed for the last jug of milk.

>>18029567
15 trillions a month might be a bit much.
But 5000 a month for every american? That's just 1.5 trillions a month, 18 trillions a year. The fed's already gonna print like 6-8 trillions by the end of the year, what's 10 more?

>>18040700
have fun regurgitating memes to make yourself feel better about your measurably lower quality of life I guess

>>18040723
I've lived in both places. Europe fucking sucks.

If we give $2,000 a month to each American, won’t that just become the new zero?

>>18029239
Bernie is right

>>18040772
oh nooooo not a single anecdote of questionable honesty from an anonymous 4chan fag, now all empirical data is useleeeeess

>>18040820
That time I wasn't talking about stats. I was just stating an isolated fact. Europe fucking sucks.

>>18040846
Yes, we all know you prefer memes over statistics because statistics aren't compatible with your worldview.

>>18040877
Silence, [Yuropoor]

>>18032506
>Reagan
The guy who invented outsourcing and pardoned 4 million illegal invaders to turn CA into a blue littered hellhole forevermore? The only people who think Reagan was good for America are Dems trying to yell at Americans and Republicans who watch too much 30 Rock.

>HURR WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO PROTECT OUR NATIONAL INTERESTS BY KEEPING THE MAJOR EMPLOYERS FROM GOING BANKRUPT DURRRR JUST GIVE THAT MONEY TO ME SO I CAN PAY OFF THE LOANS FROM MY PHILOSOPHY DEGREE

>>18029659
>SURE LETS GIVE 500 BILLION TO CORPORATIONS, LET'S BAIL THEM OUT WITH OUR TAXES.

More like a TRILLION dollars a day for the rest of the month, on top of the 4 or 5 trillion they already got so far.

>>18041403
The people here are not capable of following a train of logic or thinking further than a joke they heard on the daily show.

>>18029567
60,000

>>18041535
Your taxes? You mean the taxes you pay on the profits they gave you for doing something a monkey could do better than you?

>nigger welfare
>spic welfare
>boomer welfare
>bank welfare
>Israel welfare
>trillions in Iraq and Afghanistan
...
>young White people might get some money during a fucking plague shutdown
OY VEY THINK OF THE INFLATION GOY!

>>18030078
Based

>>18041403
>socialism for corporations
>bootstrap anarcho-capitalism for the working class

/pol/ ruins another thread aided by /leftypol/

We need a final solution to the crossboarder question

>>18029692
Well, why not?

If higher minimum wage laws are unquestionably good with no drawbacks and tradeoffs, why not just make minimum wage $1000/hour? Why stop at an arbitrary number like $15/hour?

$15/hour seems kind of low if there's no forseeable problems with minimum wage laws, right?

>>18029239
every (white) person, and free tickets back to Africa for the rest

>>18029904
Nearly 40 of americans have a spending problem. Paying yourself 10% first every paycheck is not hard to build your life around if you live within 90% of your weekly paycheck, budget, and adjust your living and working conditions accordingly.

>>18030078
> doesn't refute it
> doesn't even suggest that incels are not human

>>18041785
Based centrist retard. You guys fair real well during times of conflict

>>18030200
Bernie was not the Democratic Party presidential nominee in 2016 you dolt.

>>18041935
>t. can't even read the thread
gb2/pol/
The USSR-CIA sperging is off topic at best

>>18030658
That is an excuse and it makes their situation a choice.

>>18041804

Because there are drawbacks and tradeoffs you absolute fucking retard. The benefits of a slight increase in minimum wage always outweighs the drawbacks, throughout all of capitalist history. To compare a slight increase in minimum wage to paying everyone $1,000/hr is retarded at best and a disingenuous argument at the worst.

>>18041952
State your superior political beliefs citizen

>>18031010
He never said it was an economic problem. He's clearly making moral judgments.

>>18029239
lads, you realize government's budgets come the taxes people pay. in times of crisis taxes are raised because more money is needed. so how the fuck is it a good idea to give out money?

>>18031711
The economy recovers more slowly, people save more money, and they are more fundamentally responsible with their money. Inflation stagnates, capital gains become more mild but steady, and the dollar goes further for longer. Overall it is a better society to rise from the ashes.

>>18034221
>Decades of suppressed wages for working class
>Large percentage of people don't make enough to pay tax
>Argue that working class don't deserve anything because they don't pay tax

>>18041976
> The benefits of a slight increase in minimum wage always outweighs the drawbacks,
Prove it, then.

Because most of the people arguing for Bernie's plans pretend that any of the pitfalls considering them don't exist.

>>18038112
Diminishing cost to benefit ratio
There may be a sweet spot for money to be given to ordinary people.

>>18041403
it will trickle down I promise
believe me goy
you don't want to be a socialist, do you?

>>18042032
taxes are a cut of what's earned, transacted or kept.

>>18032572
If he can make it work on little then it demonstrates poor life choices on the behalf of others.

>>18042033

I'll just have actual economists prove it for me so literal retards like you believe it - google "own-wage elasticity" then come back to this thread, apologize to me directly and suck my fucking cock until I cum dust

>>18041976
>I'll just have actual economists prove it for me
So you don't actually know what you're talking about?

Bernie says that because we print $1 trillion in the form of QE, we can easily afford to print $100 trillion to pay for all his planned social programs over the next 10 years without any consequences.

So, if there are no consequences, why not just print $200 trillion? Why not print $300 trillion in order to buy everyone a summer home? There are no drawbacks to any of his proposed programs right, so why not go further with them?

>>18042109
>>18042119

>>18042081
So everyone is a taxpayer

>>18042080
you understand that socialist europe is currently doing the exact same things as burgerland? most infrastructure, electricity, logistics etc is private if these fail during a pandemic a lot more people die. When you pay taxes it's to insure that these things don't happen.

>>18042139
everyone pays taxes to a certain extent on different things for different reasons.

>>18042139
>>18042160
It isn't binary.

>>18042119

I know what I'm talking about i just figured if you hear it from actual economists you'd be more likely to believe it. (Probably not though cause you're in a retarded cult that simps the rich)

Also the Bernie number is $10T over 10 years not $100T, nice attempt to create fake news by a literal order of magnitude.

And we could absolutely afford 10T over 10 years. Just spend the money we already have on American citizens instead of arming saudi arabia.

>>18042160
"Preventing the economy from collapsing" doesn't have to mean "half a trillion dollars to arbitrarily selected corporations with extremely lax restrictions on how they use the money." Every country is interested in the former. Only murka seems to be interested in the latter.

>>18042077
How exactly are we calculating this?

>>18029659

NOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE A MOCKERY OF BERNERINO

>>18042177
Even lefty npr estimated it would be 28T over ten years for the bernout scammer

>>18042224
God you fucking soiboi plebbit image posters are a worse cancer than the fucks who actually came from reddit. I'm so fucking sick of this meme.

>>18042177
arming saudi arabia is just as important as cueing aids in africa, it just doesn't look as good. Both guarantee that external problems don't fuck up economies. Keeping good relations and providing aid benefits trade and lowers prices. Keeping everyday costs down. What does it matter if you get 1k but but pay 100 on the gallon?

>>18042197
Lax restrictions are an issue but what you're talking is scolding businesses for mal practice that is done in court not financially while everything collapses. In practice what you are doing by not bailing right is raising prices and creating chaos.

>>18041976
>>18042119

>I admit there are consequences for going too far with QE or increasing minimum wage

>"oh yeah well if there aren't any consequences then..."

Literal retards. These are the people whose votes count the same as yours. I hope to god you're a billionaire, cause if you're not this might be the most embarrassing fucking thing I've ever seen lol

>>18042279
>In practice what you are doing by not bailing right is raising prices and creating chaos.
Or they could just pass legislation that's good instead of garbage.
>NOOOO YOU NEED TO ACCEPT THIS MASSIVE CORPORATE BAILOUT PACKAGE RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO TIME TO MAKE SOMETHING THAT ISN'T TRASH

>>18042236

Source or gargle my balls

>>18042236

>lefty npr

>>18029239
>Bernie

>>18042177
>Also the Bernie number is $10T over 10 years not $100T,
Nope, medicare for all will literally cost at least 30 trillion over the next 10 years by his own admission. Bernie Sanders says that Medicare for all will cost AT LEAST 30 trillion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uy8D7MXSYo

That's not even counting estimates of Green New Deal, federal jobs guarantee, etc:

>Medicare for all: 30-40 trillion
>Green new deal: 16.5 trillion
>Federal jobs guarantee: $30.1 trillion.
>Student loan forgiveness: $3 trillion
>Expand social security: $1.8 trillion
>Expanded housing programs: $2.5 trillion
>Paid family leave: $1.6 trillion
>Infrastructure: $1 trillion
>General K-12 spending: 800 billion
>Increased public school salaries: 400 billion
Total costs of all of Bernie's new proposed programs put together: 97.5 trillion

That is _on top_ of current federal government expenditures over the next decade of $60 trillion, and 30 trillion of state government expenditures. And there is already a $15 trillion
dollar budget deficit over the next ten years. So $113 trillion dollar deficit over the next ten years

His taxes, by his own proposals, only cover about $23 trillion.

So, in net, a 90 trillion dollar deficit over the next ten years.

Bernie's economic advisor, Stephanie Kelton, says we can pay for this by just printing more money. And there won't be any consequences. So why not print $200 trillion? or $300 trillion? Why stop at printing 90 trillion dollars to pay for Bernie's social programs?

>>18042279

So you'd rather have your tax dollars go towards committing genocide in Yemen than helping out fellow Americans affected by covid19?

Literal retards.

>>18042285
So, you admit there may be problems with printing $90 trillion dollars to pay for social programs?

>>18042172
You either pay taxes or you don't

>>18042302
A bit redundant yes
>>18042295
https://www.npr.org/2017/09/14/550768280/heres-whats-in-bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill
https://www.npr.org/2016/05/09/477402982/study-sanders-proposals-would-add-18-trillion-to-debt-over-10-years
Two of many that isn't too kind to his figures and Bolshevik handwaving
trannies, go back to your discord

>>18042294
yes you could but that hasn't been done, can't and won't be done in time. The world isn't perfect, screaming at it won't help. These are institutional problems are bipartisan in america.

>>18042317
That wasn't what I wrote at all, both are necessary for you to live a comfortable life regardless of your willingness to accept it. Politicians don't won't to live in shit hole as much as the citizens they represent.

>>18042341
Learn how these things work.

>>18042315
>>18042330

Completely misleading headline, you can tell you only read the title and didn't listen to bernie talk about it lol

His point is that if we change nothing it will cost $50T over 10 years, but Medicare for all would cost 30-40T over 10 years. He literally says this verbatim, you absolute fucking retard lol

>>18042177
>(Probably not though cause you're in a retarded cult that simps the rich)
i really had to laugh at this line.

the lack of self-awareness of someone to post this while defending Bernie Sanders as he rides off into the sunset with his naive political-newcomer supporters' donation money is just hilarious.

NO REFUNDS

>>18042434

You could say that about literally any politician that runs for high office and doesn't win. Bernie is one of the poorest members of the Senate and he still gets shit cause "lol he ownz 3 houses"

>>18032149
0 IQ

>>18042420
>yes you could but that hasn't been done, can't and won't be done in time
Can't? It absolutely could be. The dem bill is already better. Both sides need to actually write a bill together and compromise instead of writing something without input from the other side and screeching when they don't accept it.

>>18042431
>Medicare for all would cost 30-40T over 10 years.
You're comparing government expenditure to consumer expenditure. Disingenuous. He would expand the federal budget to the tune of 30-40 trillion BY HIS OWN ADMISSION

and he would literally print money to pay for it. Do you not see a problem with printing $90 trillion dollars to pay for social programs? Can you see any possible pitfalls that may occur with such a plan?

All this is a moot point though because this old socialist fuck that panders to retards who are fiscally illiterate is losing anyways and I'll get to enjoy the tears on reddit.

>>18042420

>That wasn't what I wrote at all

You literally said verbatim that arming Saudis was as important as curing AIDS lol

>>18042349
don't compare the mentally ill to communists, it's unfair to the trannies

>>18042447
>he's one of the poorest members of the senate
Is that what he told you when you asked him for your refund?

>>18042472

He wouldn't, though. He's comparing the costs of doing nothing to the costs of implementing medicare for all, and showing that Medicare for all will decrease spending over 10 years.

So the actual question is, do you not see a problem with printing an additional 10-20T over the next 10 years? Or do you support Medicare for all?

>>18042506

Nope it's just a fact i looked up, you should try it once in your retarded life

>>18034675
Shills trying to play people who probably had losses into joining their collectivist cult

>>18042477
Now you're deliberately twisting my words.

>>18042464
You're implying that there wasn't a bill ready to be passed that could have already have been agreed upon but wasn't. Both sides are guilty of using these processes to benefit their own interests at the citizens cost. Better is always subjective.

>>18042524
>He wouldn't, though. He's comparing the costs of doing nothing to the costs of implementing medicare for all, and showing that Medicare for all will decrease spending over 10 years.
Nope. He is comparing his proposed government spending to consumer spending.

And how do you know? His taxes don't cover the expenses of his social programs and his economic advisors all think that printing money is how you pay for it.

Do you or do you not think printing 90 trillion dollars to pay for social programs would cause problems? Yes or no question?

>>18042315

Oh and also to add to how (either retarded or misleading, not sure which) you are, this model assumes there won't be tax increases on the rich to offset additional costs, which there definitely will be under bernie's plan. With his tax increases alone we could fund Medicare for all, not even taking into account a tax on stock/bond trades

>>18042554
>You're implying that there wasn't a bill ready to be passed that could have already have been agreed upon but wasn't
There are multiple. McConnell's was garbage, the dem one was better. But they were both created without real input from the other side and thus will never pass.

This does not reasonably imply that McConnell's bill was the only possible solution. Rather, the only feasible solution is one achieved through compromise. Which IS possible, especially when politicians are being subjected to an unusual amount of pressure.

>>18042597
>here won't be tax increases on the rich to offset additional costs, which there definitely will be under bernie's plan.
I accounted for that. His proposed taxes will only yield 23 trillion over the next ten years in the most generous of estimates. That includes your "tax on stock/bond trades" (also known as a tobin tax)

So where does the other 90 trillion come from?

>>18042564

>Do you or do you not think printing 90 trillion dollars to pay for social programs would cause problems? Yes or no question?

Yes it would. Luckily, that's not even close to the amount we'd have to print. Pay attention and stop strawmanning you fuckboi

>>18042610
Are you arguing for the sake of arguing?

>>18042614

Oh and also almost all your numbers are batshit wrong

>guaranteed jobs program - $30T

Lel where do you come up with this shit man XD

>>18042634
>Luckily, that's not even close to the amount we'd have to print.
Well, all the figures in >>18042315 disagree

Let me break it down since you are having problems comprehending simple arithmetic.

The next 10 years
His proposed social programs: 97.5-98 trillion cost
Current budget deficit: 15 trillion
Total budget deficit over the next 10 years: 113 trillion dollars

Bernie's proposed tax programs: 23 trillion additional revenue over the next 10 years

113-23 = 90 trillion dollar deficit over the next ten years.

Where does the money come from?

>>18029941
Bad at MATH... Wanna know how I know you flunked 4 grade?

>>18042664

I'm not having problems with the arithmetic, I'm having problems with your numbers because you pulled them straight out of your ass

>>18042635
I'm just disagreeing with >>18041403 's apparent implication that opposition to the GOP senate bill means you want the economy to collapse or that said bill is the only possible remedy.

>>18035134
This is a patent lie. Schumer literally called for low interest loans, fact.
Go fuck yourself, dem shill.

>>18042295
That shut you the fuck up? Or did you mewl after seeing it?

>>18042431
You’re being disingenuous you mathematically challenged nigger. His plan costs that ON TOP, not alternative too. Embleer frith, fucking commies are disgusting and fit only for the gas chamber.
Soon.

>>18042762

Lol, just as I thought. Get owned, son.

>>18042349

Oh and even that one study says 18T not 28T. Get owned, son.

>>18042791

Siflay hraka, son.

>>18041403
>Protecting our national interests
Most of these companies shipped half their 'jobs' overseas, and would replace the other half with cheap foreigners or robots the second they could while still accepting bailouts. Politicians don't give two shits about your jobs. These companies pay politicians to have their back. It's socialism for the rich and rugged individualism for the rest of us. If you want us to survive the death of corporations maybe not ship all our productive capacity to communist third world shitholes masquerading as modern nations by using the cash that contains much of YOUR tax dollars given to them by greedy boomers and X'rs to make a few of their more media-friendly cities look nice while the majority of their populace lives in abject poverty, some even living in fucking animal cages and paying rent for the privilege.

This was never about helping people or forward thinking. None of them care about your future and will sell you for a potato chip.

>>18042797
No, bitch. I am another anon. I watched your nigger ass arrogantly ask for a source, then get blown the fuck out backtracking.
You lost. Period. Seeing you scream is beautiful. Not a fucking thing you can do about it. Not one.

>>18042832
Talk like a nigger, “son” cause anon owned you like one.
Hahahaha.

>>18042836
You don’t actually care about workers. You aren’t one and never had any relationship with anyone blue collar. Spare the world this faux concern. You would use the government, filled with the same greedy and avarice filled people but now unchecked by any market concern, to fulfill the worst type of rent seeking. Get fucked, bern out.

>>18042836
> politicians sold us out!
> lets give them even more control, they’ll come around!

>more NEETbux
And that's good.

I think you guys don't come here to convert or convince people. I think you guys post here because you need to convince yourselves that the bs you've been fed is right because deep down your angry about your circumstances.

>>18042899
>You aren’t one and never had any relationship with anyone blue collar.
Nigger I've been blue collar all my life up until a year ago. I've been in the military, construction, and even maritime working on ships before I got into software development(age and failing bodies catches up with everyone.). I'm a libertarian, not a Bernie cuck, but you don't need to be a fucking commie to see that our current government is a bunch of globalist boomers trying to sell the country to the highest bidder, you boot licking retard. They're literally giving your money away to already rich people who don't even produce jobs for Americans most of the time.

>>18042994
Imagine being this much of a slave to the enemy of your people you leftist faggot

>>18043213
Yes you're right we'll prove how not socialist we are by giving infinite and permanent welfare to rich people who repay the forced generosity of the rest of population with outsourcing and mass immigration to replace them; I'm in awe of your mind shattering logic.