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>>18010661
democrats

are

truly

evil

>>18010661

give me my fucking TrumpBux you ghouls

>>18010661
>money goes towards abortions
I'm in favor of this. Most abortions are minorities.

>>18010661
nice democracy you've got going there ...

fucking kikes

KEK.

Another 1000 points off the DJ on Monday?

>>18010661
>Dems wont vote yes unless money goes towards abortions
Man that's pretty damn sickening

>>18010661
Based, let the market crash harder so I can get a sweet 10X return

>control the senate majority
>still can't pass a bill
Absolute state of Republicucks

Climahoax is more important than lives. Lol

>>18010661
>47-47
doesn't pence get the tiebreaking vote

>>18010661
So they will let millions of people go homeless and starve because they want to push their agenda. Really makes you think huh

>>18010661

thank you dems for stopping socialism. get a job niggers

Based, Dems have to reason to not let the market crash to 10k or less

>REE DEMS WON'T GIB ME NEETBUX
lmao how ironic, should have campaigned for bernie then faggots

>>18010661
>Yea
Are politicians really fucking so infantile that they have to say yea instead of yes?

>>18010714
>only 1000

>>18010745
They need 60 votes

>>18010739
There are 4 republican senators quarantining now.
Dems have the majority unless they allow remote voting.

Also even at full representation they need like 7 dems to vote yes.

>>18010661
Get rekt

>>18010661
>Dems wont vote yes unless money goes towards abortions and airliners are forced to put a climate change activist onto the board of all major airliners
is this for real?
not sure whats bait and whats real anymore

>>18010767
Dems want to give us neetbux, they want less restriction on who gets the neetbux.

They also want more restriction on corporate gibs, which is why this failed.

At this point though, theyre all fucking faggota. 4 straight days of debates and 3 deadline delays and they cant get a single fucking thing done.

I WANT MY FUCKING TRUMPBUX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>18010836
>Republicans autistically screeching because Dems won't let them pass gibmedats
Yeah.

Did you fucking retards even bother to read up on this topic before replying or is 4chan just an echo chamber full of 15 year old shits these days? The Democrats blocked the bill because it sucked and didn't provide the workers and American families with enough proverbial gibs. The dems are fighting to give us even more. Just shut the fuck up and lets take the free money, shall we? The American economy is literally on its death throws, might as well get some free money before it hyperinflates to shit.

>>18010714
>only 1000

ITS GOING TO BE OGRE

>>18010661
Guaranteed Trump victory, eat shit kike motherfuckers

Go ahead and piss off the 2 - 3 remaining purple-haired trannies you have left, Demotards

>>18010950
actually I think tanking the economy with no survivors is pretty much the Dems best chance this election. They're so inept that despite fucking up anything that comes his way, Trump still looks like he could win again.

>>18010918
dems are trying to sneak in perpetual UBI.

>>18010661
>Dems wont vote yes unless money goes towards abortions and airliners are forced to put a climate change activist onto the board of all major airliners

Dem's won't vote yes until cunty Boeing isn't allowed to do stock buybacks anymore and corps that receive government aide can't pocket the money and fire all their employees

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/top-democrats-say-they-re-not-yet-ready-sign-coronavirus-n1166021
>According to a person familiar with the negotiations, Democrats say the language would allow for corporations to keep bailout money while still firing workers, that the bailout money would have virtually no restraints and that there are very weak stock buyback restrictions.
>A senior Democratic aide told NBC News that Democrats are concerned that the bill lacks specific provisions to protect people from evictions, foreclosure or forbearance and that it would allow for only three months of unemployment insurance.

>democrats
Shocked

>>18011020
I don't care about any of this normie wagie shit just gimmie my FUCKING NEETBUX.

Who cares about other people keeping their jobs? Not my problem. Just give me the fuckin trumpbux ya fuckin Dem fucks.

>>18010918
All I want is for the requirements to change.

2018 was a shit year for me personally and professionally, so despite making 30k+ for the 5 years prior and in 2019, I wouldn't qualify for the $1200 because I only made 11k in 2018.

Gibs for everyone or gibs for nobody says I.

>>18010661
fucking dems i knew they wouldnt budge without trying to shoehorn in some SJW or NWO agenda item
bring out the guillotines

>>18011142
>without trying to shoehorn in some SJW or NWO agenda item
See: >>18011020

>Ctrl+f abortion
>0 results
So nobody read the article and they are just believing the OP?

>>18011033
>Next Step is Uncertain

>>18011072
Fuck I only made 12k on my 2018 taxes. Shit.

>>18011020
Stop refuting my pro-republican agenda!

>>18011168
>Other major problems
>Direct payments are not available to the millions of people who did not file a return in 2018 or 2019

So essentially the dems are actually trying to get the NEETs their NEETbux

>>18011170
Why fuck me then? We're in the same boat dude. We should want the same things.

The stimulus plan is absolute proof that institutional racism is alive and well. Undocumented immigrants and various POC will receive virtually no benefit from the package. Many undocumented immigrants would gladly file an income tax return. However, they don’t, out of fear of being deported. Other POC are below the $2,500 income threshold. It’s sick that those who need it the most are coming out empty handed.

>>18010661
Dems are the masters of brinksmanship. The final passed bill will have gibs for illegal beaners, and mandatory abortions for white babies.

>>18011072

I agree but I made over 100k and I want gibs too it's only fair

>>18011170
>>18011072
Looking at this again. I don't see this requirement you speak of. I need a source. Found one that said like $2500 in income.

Not giving money to unemployed niggers and illegals would probably spark riots DESU senpai

>>18011020
Voice of reason

>>18011239
>The final passed bill will have gibs for illegal beaners, and mandatory abortions for white babies.

I mean it's kind of necessary if you want NEETs to get their NEETbux. You gotta do a universal gibs. If you want to leave it only to people who filed taxes no NEETs are gonna get anything

>Republicans don't do what democrats petition for
Democrats vote against it.
>Republicans do what democrats petition for
Democrats vote against it

What do they even want at this point?

>>18011020
Your retarded as fuck

>>18010806
They don't have substitutes? What a fucking mess.

>>18011204
They want illegal spics to get their spic bux

>>18011318

Come on OP I'm sure you have a better retort than that, I believe in you!

>>18011315
they want Orange Man Bad no matter what.

>>18011204
>didn’t contribute to society
>expect something in return for doing nothing

>>18011259
incomes between 2.5k and 12k would only get 600 donald bux

>>18011327

It still prevents NEETs from getting money so you should theoretically be in favor of doing a universal payout so all the NEETs here get paid

>>18011168
Why do welfare queens need additional money? Money is for people who are no longer getting any, leeches still get theirs

>>18011279
Just gib Trumpbux. That's what the people want. I mean fuck are the Dems really going to fumble a win to Trump this year? I'd be fucking raging if I was a white collar worker/ on a zero hours contract. I'm not, but if I was I'd sure be mad.

>>18011367

I have a job, I just think it's retarded not to just to a universal payout to everyone and avoid the fucking mess of tiered payments (which is doubly retarded when people who made under 12k get less money for some damned reason)

>>18011223
this but unironically

>>18011259
Its sneaky language but if you didnt pay anything into taxes (i.e. made less than the standard deduction of 12.4k) you get fewer gibs.

Even republican senators where concerned over these requirements though.
By the time this passes it will be free money to everyone, especially considering markers are going to tank even further tomorrow.

>>18011168
In the US you have this autistic legislative provision called the Hyde amendment. It basically means that the money enshrined in the bill can in no way directly or implicitly be used to fund anything remotely related to abortions whether it's access, studies, etc. except if it's absolutely required to save the life of a woman. The republicans want to include that amendment to ensure not a single penny from the neetbux or bailout ends up in the hands of anyone or anything related to abortions. The democrats are not amused. That was in Congress though. Not sure if this is the same discussion.

>>18011382
Not what it says. It said no tax liability gets only $600.

>>18011431
Tiered payments make the most sense. If you’ve been working for a higher salary compared to others, your cost of living may also be higher compared to those making small wages

>>18011223
Lol absolute madness. Supporting those who violate your country's laws. Everyone should get the same. I know this is bait, but you are probably right about this effecting POC more.

>>18011223
>Many undocumented immigrants would gladly file an income tax return
Nigger, no one wants to file taxes let alone people who dont have to

>>18011314
So dems are fighting for universal UBI, unemployment insurance, moratorium on evictions, loans .

This is a win-win. What’s holding the republicans back from this ?

>>18011469
>Not what it says.
It is exactly what it says.
>It said no tax liability gets only $600.
The standard deduction is 12k. If you made less than that but more than 2.5k you would have no income tax liability, you get 600 donald bux.

>>18010918
>instead of giving immediate relief lets hold up the relief in red tape till we get our stupid agenda hidden in our bill to pass
mass execution of dems when?

>>18011513

If you go too far you could make this situation way worse. This should be a simple $1-2k payout for April for every taxpaying adult.

>>18011020
>corporations keep the money
>money based on tax returns
what are these faggots talking about?

>>18011497
Except this isnt actually about helping you pay rent/buy food etc.

The gibs are so we go out and spend it to put money back into the economy.

They're also pushing for massive expansion of unemployment insurance, this would give more money to those who are out of work right now (and therefore higher earners will get more) and legitimately need help to make ends meet

>>18011499
Illegal immigrants should probaby get trumbux. They're the most likely to spend the money in the local economy which exactly the kind of stimulus you want right now. The worst thing you could do with the trumpbux is save the money, even worse: spend it abroad.

>>18010860
This

Dems are actually 100% right on this one.

>>18010918
Let me guess, you're a wise 19 year old. The same anon calling everyone 15.
>They blocked it because it sucked.
>Death throws
Jesus christ anon, I was retarded at your age too but you must have been chucked at the wall at some point. Stop posting.

>>18011443
If you were already surviving on a spectrum of 0 dollars to $12,400, it stands to reason that you don't "need" as much money as people earning more (and paying more taxes). How is this a point of contention?

>Noooooo the government decided not to bailout multinationals and not help me fuck them
?????

>>18011555
Numbers of truth. Checked senpai.

The fed goes brrrrr regardless, so isn’t the situation already bad ? Damn... I Just realized I don’t own a gun.

>>18011555
Tbh I like the plan that was
>2k preloaded cash card to everyone
>1k added each month until a year after economy recovers

I don't care if the economy tanks, I wanna spend all summer fucking high end escorts.

>>18011625

Fuck no. This is a great opportunity to trim some fat and make these cunts run out on their own volition. Unemployment is about to be ridiculous we don't need any more bodies here.

convert to judaism for free money and power

>>18010661
That sounds unrealistically progressive from Dems but that would unironically be a good thing

>>18011585

The stimulus bill isn't only the NEETbux

>>18011223
no one told them to enter another country illegally, they made that choice and they can live with the consequences of it

>all it takes is a bad case of the sniffles and literally, LITERALLY L I T E R A L L Y the entire technologically advanced modern global economy collapses entirely

this is a joke, right? i remember like 2 weeks ago everything was fine and normal, how did this happen? how is literally the whole entire world fucked over this shit?

how the fuck are the republicans trying to give us free shit and the democrats are saying no? if we legit all die over this coronavirus thing im gonna be super pissed off in the afterlife.

>>18011640
The money isn' to tide you over. It's to reanimate a dead economy. You want people to spend it. You want that poor moron to splurge for once. You do not really want an upper middle class family using the money buy imported scottish salmon or invest the money into volatile stocks. You need to get the real economy going again.

>>18010836
They want to give money to planned Parenthood so they can help administrator health care for corana patients not for abortions

>>18011223
Fucking no, they don't contribute shit. If you can't muster up more than 2.5k a year in taxes, you don't contibute enough to justify getting a bailout. Nothing racist about it. Good bait.

I WANT MY FUCKING TRUMPBUX NOW!!!

>>18011020
So what, democrats are pretending to hold corporations feet to the fire slightly more than republicans planned to, in the end massive inefficient monopolys walk away unharmed as your grandma dies and you have to give your dog away because you can't feed it anymore.

>>18010661
Does anyone know when the next vote is? Stocks are going to fucking tank again from this especially because a few Republican senators have the wuflu and can't even vote!

Why do democrats always have to counter what the other side is doing, even when this bill is basically something they would do. America be fucking stupid.

>>18011761
This, we were supposed to get it by the end of this upcoming week AT THE LATEST, I'm big mad

>>18010705
The USA is not and never was intended to be a democracy. It's a democratic republic.

>>18010661
GOOD. IF NEETS DON'T GET TRUMPBUX THEN NO ONE GETS IT

>tfw I don't think that trumpbucks are a good idea
>tfw I agree that Boeing shouldn't be given bailouts to do stock buy backs
Look at me. I'm the nigger now

what bothers me is that even if we survive all of this stuff: what about the next one? how am i supposed to go on living my life after this is all over, knowing that one little case of the sniffles is enough to potentially destroy all of human civilization as we know it? that's the really scary thing, it could happen again and next time maybe instead of the flu it's ebola that can spread asymptomatically for weeks. i never even thought this was a possible reality, a possible thing that could happen, yet here we are.

Based. Let the fuckers die in fire

>>18011530
Okay I see. I owed $96, but then I got a $176 EIC credit.

>>18011625
>They're the most likely to spend the money in the local economy
That's a weird way to say send it to their relatives still living where they came from.

The republican plan just wants to give bailouts to companies, no strings attached. This is what they did in 2008 and it was incredibly fucking retarded. If the companies want tax money, fine. The american people now have equity in your company. This is what sensible democrats are calling for.

The other thing is that the 1200 is means tested, so gig workers get fucked. People that live on minimum wage get fucked. And its a one time thing. Just a terrible plan. The dems aren't doing this to fuck over the people, they actually want to help the workers(well at least a certain branch of the democratic party, Omar, AOC, Bernie. Pelosi is just fucking retarded about not wanting to give people too much moeny).

>>18011394
NEETs shouldn't get anything, because their situation is unchanged and they aren't worse off. Tendiebabies are so selfish.

>>18011731
Everything wasn't fine and normal. The global economy was rotten to the core. Stocks were overinflated, companies heaped on debt which was pretty much free at low interest rates, profit shifted to tax paradises, etc. The Fed blew it's entire arsenal during booming times and somehow you had 1 trillion deficit too. It's a zombie economy.

This event just forced that truth to come to light. Surprise, the vast majority of companies implode upon losing a month of revenue. Surprise, profits were at an all time high and stock was bought back at premium prices yet everyone needs a bailout. Surprise, huge inefficiencies are already revealed as it turns a fuck ton of people could always work from home.

This rot wasn't caused by corona. Corona just called the economy's bluff.

>>18010661
Sauce on the including of abortion funding?

>>18011754
Bull shit

>>18011874
NEET parents situations will be worse off, so NEETs should absolutely get Trumpbux so they can lessen the burden on their parents.

Again, it's GOOD that the bill didn't pass. If us NEETs don't get it then none of you will.

>>18011625
20% of Mexico's GDP is remittances; that's money removed directly from our economy.

>>18011033
The 2008 bill was supported by something like 60% of Dems and 30% of Reps. It was the conservative Reps that blocked it. Remember, the national debt was only something like 6 trillion back then, some Republicans could still pretend to be fiscal conservatives.

>>18011889
>He thinks Planned Parenthood only does abortions

lmao

LOL AM I REALLY SIDING WITH FUCKING LIBKEKS? FUCK YOU SOCIALISM-DESIRING ASSHOLES. ESPECIALLY YOU REPUBLICANS WHO WANT IT. FUCKING LEECH MOTHER FUCKERS.

>>18010661
They need to drag this out long enough for the banks newly purchased put options to make them solvent again, what part of this overly protracted beurocratic theatre show do you not understand?

>>18011851
Situations like this are exactly why these qualifications are retarded.

Theres no logic to abritrarily deciding that some dude who made literally $100 more than you gets twice as much.

Gibs for all or gibs for none. Lets march on congress tomorrow!

I made over $30k in 2018, what free shit do I get?

>>18010714
>just 1k

oh boy we hitting 15k at the end of the week bro

>>18011875
i understand that, dude. but im just a normal fucking person, im not an economist or CEO or something. im not an expert, pretty much no one out there is. i assure you most people had no fucking idea because most people just live their lives without much thought given to the macro scale of things. we elect people and have experts on things for a reason, THEY should have protected us and THEY failed. THEY were corrupted and fuck we, the People.

the problem is i still need to eat and to feed my family, anon. zombie economy, rotten economy, massive debt... fine. you may be right but i still need to survive, and these assholes might make it so most of us will starve to death.

>>18011938
no organisation that can give millions in political donations deserves government bucks

>>18011867
How would they do that without bank accounts? When the borders are closed? Give the money in the form of food cheques, SNAP, etc. if you want to be sure. Or don't. Ultimately you just need to money to get to the poorest and most likely to spend it locally to buy shoes, food, clothes, etc.

>>18010661
Lmao Democrats will cease to exist after this election cycle. Good riddance

>>18010714
That's it? I want another 2,000-3,000. A drop of 1,000 pts is like a babby now.

>>18011843
Prepper pilled for the following

>>18011875

>>18011954
Well the rules aren't solid yet anyway. It may change.

>>18010661
>Sell
Too late, the plummet has already started, we're on a long road downhill boys.

>>18011875
>>18011981
i guess my point is I HOPE THE COMPANIES AND PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE GET TURBOFUCKED, BUT ALSO THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS KEEPING FOOD ON THE SHELVES SO WE ALL DON'T FUCKING STARVE, OKAY? survival first, justice second. the main thing that worries the fuck out of me is whether or not they'll come a time where there isn't any more food at the grocery store. that's literally my single concern because if we can't eat, nothing else matters. nothing.

>>18011867
But if many of them were making minimum wage then they probably don't have much saved up and will end up spending it on food or other necessities.

>>18012002

You want corps to get gibs more than people anon?

>>18011981
You need and deserve that money. I agree. You shouldn't let that desperation be abused to no strings attached bailout the corporations who fucked up the economy though.

>>18010661
>unless money goes towards abortions and airliners are forced to put a climate change activist onto the board of all major airliners
Serves the Republitards right. Getting a dose of their own medicine. Dems should make bailouts conditional on federal funding for Planned Parenthood.

>>18010661
A bailout won't do shit because production is halted, but bourgeois economics is more concerned with consumption than production, ergo the BRRRRRRRR. Based corona literally forced the capitalists hands into starting a general strike, companies are being reduced to their real value and effects of the trade war and oil crisis are in full force.

>>18012015
i can't exactly prep now though, can i? but i swear to God if we survive this and go back to at least some form of "normalcy", you can bet your sweet ass that i'm becoming one. i need to find a good place in the midwest where i can build an underground hidden bunker and stock it full of supplies...

>>18010678
>stopping jews from getting more bails out is evil
kek

Fuck both parties.
The founding fathers even warned us about parties.

Speaking of which this would be a great time for ICE to carpet bomb "sanctuary states" while they're too occupied to bother REEEing about them.

>>18012091
Fuck off, we're full.

>>18012070
it's not even the money, i can get money, i have savings. it's grocery stores being stocked with food i can buy that worries me. 2nd place would be electricity, but at least i have a generator and because of the saudi's, gas should be getting cheap af. then 3rd is internet, i can live without it but it gives you access to the rest of the world and you're shut off without it.

>>18011999
They have ways. I know illegals who send most of their money to their family in mexico. You can send money without a bank account.

>>18012068
No but you aren’t getting jack shit if you continue to die on this hill

>>18012067
Wrong, they will send it to their family back home just like the rest of their money.

>>18012159

Trump himself today said he was fine with taking out the leniency on stock buybacks, so republicans are at the very least going to have to fold on that one

Invoke Marshall law and lock up all the traitors.

>>18012153
What like via fedex?

>>18012091
You don't even need that much. I got spooked in january. Bought a box or two of medical masks. Then I filled the pantry and attic with beans, rice, soup, pasta, water, etc. We're already in (total) lockdown here. This stuff will last my family for a month or two, three. If your neighbourhood/country isn't locked down yet, I suggest you get the shopping done before the people get panicking.

>>18012153
why are illegal aliens such assholes? all we want is for immigrants to assimilate and here they are, continuing to commit economic terrorism.

>hey, wanna be american?
>nah i just want to steal as much as i can from your land and bring it back home, gringo!

>>18011168

What do you think the funding for planned Parenthood means? Don't say Corona treatment, because that would make you a retard

>>18011443
>>18011431

People making that much are already on welfare

>>18012209
it's probably too late for that now tbhwy, and besides even if you have enough for a couple of months you're still going to be fucked after that. you'll just live for a couple more months than the rest of us, assuming tyrone doesn't come knocking at your door so-to-speak.

>>18012209
>Bought a box or two of medical masks.

If they aren't N95 masks they aren't gonna do shit for you

>>18012229

You don't know the beginning of it. They're out of control in sanctuary areas and know full well they have immunity. Free medical care on the taxpayer's dime, free schooling, and probably voting as well since there are no ID requirements at all.

>>18012008
Good news for you is that 3834 is the max it can drop tomorrow. So, that would be cool, right?

>>18011731
Corona was the wing that blew over the house of cards

>>18011851
your AGI (12954) is enough to get the full 1200

>>18010918
Unless you paid taxes last year you should get NOTHING

>>18012303
They actually are N95. We only have about 50 of them though. They're tucked and hidden away sealed around the house in packs of 5 because I'm no idiot. Those masks are emergency only. That was a bit too much though. I doubt we'll end up needing them. I think the food and water, just in case, is more important. You want to limit time outside the house. Every grocery trip you avoid, increases your odds of not getting that fucked up virus or coming into contact with desperate people.

>>18012392

What about people who joined the work force in 2019 or 2020?

>>18010774
It's pronounced like "Yay" and "Nay"

>>18012343
i don't mind the boom&bust cycle of capitalism, as long as i don't literally starve to death in the process, know what i mean? to be fair im not even sure this is capitalism. crony capitalism maybe. a lot of government fuckery going on that allowed this to happen.

>>18011168
>no clear stock buyback ban
>no prohibiting evictions
>no protecting workers

I forget 4chan love's sucking corporate dick so much while at the same time whining endlessly about jews

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>>18011793
Tomorrow, today was a practice vote, tomorrow is the official vote

GOOD. NO BAILOUTS.

Conservative here, NO BAILOUTS.

Let capitalism work, NO BAILOUTS.

>>18012311
>You don't know the beginning of it.

I actually know all of that stuff because I'm a conservative. For years now. One of my biggest pet peeves in the whole mess is how the left-controlled media can't stop changing words. Always notice when they change words, once you notice it you can't stop seeing/hearing it. Notice how they don't say "illegal immigrants"? They changed that to "Undocumented Workers" for awhile, sounds like my brother forgot his driver's license at home or some shit lmao. I think currently they straight-up just call them "immigrants" without the "illegal part". "Trump hates Immigrants!" they say. Then people protest "My mother came here from Ireland through Ellis Island, immigrants built this country fuck you Trump!" but don't realize that their parents immigrated here LEGALLY. They're LEGAL immigrants, that word they left out IS THE WHOLE POINT and they just CUT IT OFF AND NO ONE CARES!

ugh, don't get me started any more than that, lol.

>>18012531
quick question: does no bailouts and letting companies fail end with grocery stores not being able to stock shelves with food forever? my main issue here is that i want to say fuck the jews/corporations/elites/etc, but i also don't want to starve or my kids to starve.

>>18012303
the surgical masks DO help lower transmission rates, but mostly because it stops you from touching your face, or some fuck coughing directly on you. It won't stop you from inhaling the virus.

It will stop you from coughing/spreading it.

A surgical or cloth mask is still much better than nothing

>>18012531
The point is to stop the literal millions of people employed by these places from losing their jobs and going on unemployment and welfare. If these business's go down, you think its the CEO and other high rankers that suffer? HAHAHAHA They have more money in one of their 15 houses to retire and never work again

>>18012607

Nope, it just means the financial zombie companies that do nothing of value will finally collapse. If anything these leeches get in the way of stocking grocery shelves.

>>18012634

Yes, good. If they are not profitable they will have to get real jobs that actually produce goods and services of value. Its how capitalism works you dumb fuck. Let the failing companies fail, NO BAILOUTS.

>>18012607
why didn't you hoard food and supplies in time?

>>18012634
Fucking idiot. So much of what they depend on required the wheels of society to be well-oiled. Look at how much celebrities are already freaking out in their 20-bedroom mansions. They are handling the lockdown worse than plenty of normies.

>>18012521
Mitch is going to delay tomorrows vote unless some major breakthrough in their debating happens overnight or early tomorrow.

He's not going to bring it to a final vote until he is sure it will pass. He delayed this procedural vote 3 times and only let it happen because he knew the backlash from it getting blocked would light a bigger fire under everyones asses.

>>18012607
Grocery stores aren't in any danger because they are one of the few places still operating everywhere. They just made fucking bank over the past few weeks.

Some dude yesterday said the grocery store he worked at was up 175% profit compared to same day last year, and it's been like that for over a week.

>>18012678
>If they are not profitable
Dude, are you stupid?

>>18012683
because you're not supposed to hoard shit, asshole. it's what is causing all of the shortages currently. if you're a prepper you're supposed to do that stuff long before shit is completely fucked. but other than that, i didn't think this whole thing would be such a big deal, obviously. this is unprecedented. im 30 years old and i've never seen anything like this my whole life, i had no idea this was even possible. you might as well ask me why didn't i stock up before the aliens invaded, another thing i think is impossible (currently).

>>18012303
>n95
don't worry, it will get in thru your eyeballs.

>>18012684
Oh I bet those celebrities with 200 million dollars in the bank and vacation homes in every paradise are hurting much worse than normies

>>18012731
what about the people making the food? are we basically having everyone stay home except farmers, truck drivers, distribution centers, factories, and warehouse workers?

>>18012731
additionally, many grocery chains are literally owned by banks. They're pretty much the last business you can expect to fail.

>>18012531
How does capitalism work if no one can actually work

>>18011168
I thought they already paused interest on student loans why the fuck do they need to do more at this point. why not force people to file their taxes if they want this money?

>>18012796
you don't get it. Those dollars don't mean anything if they can't spend them in the ways they are accustomed to doing so. They currently can't, and are getting a taste of what it's like to live "normally" and it freaks them out.

Do Dems want Trump re-elected and give GOP supermajority to do anything they want? Because that’s how you do it ASAP!

>>18012799
yes exactly. do your homework.

>>18012769

Are you stupid? Why would want to give up your wealth to bail out a bunch of banker fucks sitting around doing jack shit nothing all day? They should get real jobs. NO BAILOUTS.

>>18012799
My friend works the deli in a supermarket, they upped the pay by 10% for "hazardous" pay.

>>18012817
because it's just temporary. after coronavirus blows over, things can return to business as usual (hopefully with lessons learned this time, things changed and preparations for next time being made).

>>18012825
>why not force people to file their taxes if they want this money?
>People need money now due to no job or severely reduced hours
>Make them file their 2018 taxes and have to wait a few weeks for it to clear

Not the best plan

>>18012834
Oh no, we better build some cry closets for them on tax payer time, those poor celebrities are like college kids when Trump was elected

>>18012877
then you expedite the process. who cares? my taxes are accepted pretty instantly, it just takes them time to send me the money

>>18010705
>nice democracy you've got going there ...
It's working as intended.

>>18012771
Low IQ normie; you're going to die so are your kids, if not by the Chinese Flu it will by a pack hungry/horny niggggerrsss

honestly if i filed my 2018 taxes now it'd cost me more in penalties and income tax than i'd get from this plan

>>18012799
I dont know how other states are handling shutdowns but in Pennsylvania it is only "non-life essential" business that have been closed

Everything related to the production, distribution, and retail sale of Food is unaffected. Hell I'm an auto body tech and I get to work because we fall under "automotive repair" even though I dont actually fix any mechanical problems, I just make cars pretty again.

Basically, all the things that are actually important are going to be fine.

>>18012864
so they gave him +$1 an hour? lmaooooo

seriously though i feel bad for grocery store workers now. i see how important grocery stores are to our survival, and even during a pandemic they are keeping us fed. sucks how little they get paid, i hope people respect them more at least after all of this.

>>18012877
this is why local govt's are scrambling to ram things through like temporary eviction cessations, and other relief policies. State/local govt has much less money than the feds, so it's more policy-based than BRRRRR handouts

>>18012916
lucky you then you'll get free money to pay it and then you won't have that bill in the future

>>18012858
My wealth? You saying feds were going to give me that money? Id rather see the money go towards making sure people still have a job instead of jamal and his 15 baby mamas. You do realize thats why the bill didnt pass right? Dems want SNAP benefits to increase and money for abortions. Oh and cant forget how we better make sure some SJW liberal climate faggot gets a position on the board of all major US airlines, now that is a great way to spend tax payer money yes yes

>>18012843
No, the dems want to write their own bill that gives free money to everyone.

This way they can attempt to take credit even though Mitt Romney was the first senator on record to suggest the idea.

>>18010714
HEY MR DJ SUNK ON THE REPO
HEY MR FEDDY WON'T YOU CRANK THE PRINTER UP

>>18012876
Temporary is like 2 weeks, and this shit is set to last for at least a year

>>18012919
thanks for that, i can breathe a sigh of relief then. i actually day trade for a living so i work from home anyways lol, feels good man. money isn't a problem, but all of the money in the world is worthless if i starve to death.

>>18012920
How much did you increase the pay of your workers at your business? Whats that? You dont own a business or pay anyone anything? WOWA jew, too afraid to pay more than 0

>>18012993
>I day trade for a living

Yikes. Additionally, Oof.

>>18012965

Learn how fiat works, retard. Every dollar printing dilutes your wealth. And yeah its way cheaper to feed people directly than to bail out some billionaire who doesn't even need it and hope 1% of that money trickles down to feed someone.

>>18012986
temporary means not forever. a year sucks but it won't last forever, assuming im gonna live another 30-40+ years most likely.

>>18012920
I work at a grocery store and I’m being overworked for no overtime in what would be considered a very hazardous environment by this quarantine’s standards. The owner is raking in cash because of people hoarding and our being the only store in like 100 miles with a solid supply chain on meat, specifically chicken (selling thousands of pounds of chicken per day)

>>18013031
better than working a day job, what can i say.

>>18010661
Why won't they give me my trumpbux!

>>18013085
that sucks, i wish things weren't like that for you.

>>18013094
Better for you, worse for the entire world.

I'm not judging you I just think if you don't actually contribute to providing an essential good or service that you don't matter nearly as much as those who do. (For example, a garbage man is more important to the world than either of us)

>>18010661
they just obstructed their way into a 100% red victory in 2020 and 2022. the party of gibs just withheld gibs because it wasn't their idea.

>>18013043
>He thinks the goverment is literally printing billions of dollars and handing it over to the CEO's of the airlines
Oh boy, anon, I bet you also think Bezos has 150 billion in cash just stashed in all 50 of his homes

>>18013152
They withheld because it wasn't their idea but also because it wasn't enough gibs. Also too many gibs to corporations.

They're going to rewrite it with double gibs for you and me and less gib for ceo's.

>>18013152

You guys must be shills. Anyone who worked hard to be responsible and save would never want bailouts for failing businesses that do nothing but fail every 10 years over wanting bailout after bailout for their own irresponsible risk taking. They'll want another in 5-10 years. Fuck them.

>>18013202

Without restrictions on stock buybacks that's literally what happen, retard.

>>18010686
Holy based

>>18010661
>THEY VOTED NO ON A BAILOUT!
Wtf I like democrats now
>Dems wont vote yes unless...
Wtf i hate democrats again

>>18013259
How fucking retarded are you? They said airlines would not be allowed to use it for buybacks or for CEO bullshit. Dems only voted no because the gibs wasnt their idea, so thats why they are now pushing for retarded shit like giving illegals some of the money

>>18013319

GOOD. There should be NO BAILOUTS. I hope they never agree and can never pass any bailouts. NO BAILOUTS. I worked hard for my money. I don't want to finance some failing, unprofitable corporation.

>>18010661
CRASHING THIS COUNTRY

>>18011640
>people with less don't need more help
The fuck?

>>18013128
that's fine, i actually agree with you. im basically an alchemist turning money into more money, that is all. im not trying to "matter" im just making money because im good at this and i can, so why shouldn't i? it took a lot of work to get through all of the barriers required to even do this in the first place, most people don't even get the chance.

>>18013395
>I worked hard for my money
Oh I cant wait to hear this, what did you do?

>>18011991
>lockheed martin and northrop grumman sweating nervously

>>18010918
>rather than just pass this bill for immediate aid then draft another one lets just play politics and delay it

>>18012474
This is /biz/, we only care about how WE make money. Fuck everyone else.

>>18011223
Fuck you! American citizens who are colored people file tax returns as is required of all American citizens. "Undocumented" immigrants, i.e., ILLEGAL immigrants, should get nothing. If we're really nice, they should get a free bus ticket back to their countries of origin.

Fuck the illegal immigrants. They're lucky they and their anchor babies don't get the firing squad.

>>18010686
You, my good sir, are based.

>>18012479
when can we execute dems

>>18013536

I develop enterprise security software, business is booming, we don't need bailouts.

>>18013731

You're responding to a shill straw man, no one is saying that.

NO BAILOUTS.

>>18010983
negro the republicans were the ones who introduced the idea of UBI in the first place.

>>18011513
Dems haven’t proposed anything, they just shoot down republicans ideas... tick tock

>>18013829
And if your industry was the one hit you would be screaming for Trumpbux you hypocrite faggot

>>18011595
Someone wasn’t listening tonight. They literally said this is not a stimulus meant to go buy something, it’s to keep people paying rent and have access to essentials, and help companies not fire everyone or go under

Everyone is fucking retarded.
UBI was going to be passed into law in the 1970's called a Negative Income Tax.

the bill was agreed on by both republican and democrats.
the bill never got passed into law because both parties argued over what the name of the bill should be.

>>18010661
>mfw

>>18011513
WRONG its the dems who are holding us back
they want money for abortions and climate hoax agenda

>>18011733
Wrong

MORE GIBS NAO

>>18011871

Their plan was to give taxpayers some of their tax money back. If you dont pay taxes, why should you get anything?

>>18011837
>a nigger that doesn't want gibs for anyone
You're a weird looking nigger

>>18010705
Republic, but even that's a stretch at this point. We need to repeal the 17th amendment and let the house representatives elect senators again.

>>18013903

I bet your shit job is at once of these companies that need Trump bux. Or you're a NEET or don't even work and want Trump bux. You're a hypocrite.

And no, I wouldn't. I would get a job that is profitable because I want to make money. I would never work at some shit zombie corp with shit pay, shit benefits, horrible working conditions, that needs to be bailed out every time there is a mild crisis.

Successful companies pay well, because they want smart people, and they don't need bailouts.

Let all the corpos fend for themselves. Bail out strategic industries. Give people some gibs for the lockdown duration. Anything but bailing out the banks and corpos. Fuck'em. The gibs is bailing out essential industries by proxies (people spend on food, electricity, water, etc.), everything else can be allowed to fail and will come back after.

>>18014042
k good for you, now fuck off

Perfect. Markets will take another hit, liquidate a hell lot of longs and provide the perfect buying opportunity. Get your lottery orders in boys

>>18013934
Sauce ?

>>18014126
allsides.com/news/2020-03-19-1906/democrats-want-include-climate-action-coronavirus-aid

>>18014067

You're the one that wants the government to take my money because you were too stupid to save for an emergency.

>>18014042
>Airlines are not profitable
Dude....

>>18013909
What they say and what they actually intend are not the same thing.

They dont give a fuck if I get evicted, they want the market to recover because they have money on the line.

I want to make money

>>18010714
Futures are open. Down 940 points already.

>>18014180

They should have saved more and had less debt. Let them all go bankrupt for over leveraging and mismanaging their risk. Private equity will come in to save the best ones to have less competition. Gov. bailout is not needed. Let the free market work.

Gov stepping in to bailout the bad businesses just reinforces their bad business practices which is why they constantly need a bailout every 10 years.

>>18013423
what part of clownworld do you not understand?

>>18010714
2000 id say

how are they voting on anything

its sunday
fucking heathens

>>18014260
>He thinks bankruptcy of a comapny hurts the big bad CEO's of the company and instead of the employees and people with a 401k
Oh boy

>>18011315
They want "their" bill to pass so they can take credit instead of bipartisanship

>>18014359
>he thinks 'bailing out' a company does anything other than funnel billions to CEO pockets
new companies can come up from the corpse of the old, that is if the CEO lets the company go under

> 1st draft of Trumpbux
> Republican attach rider to close Planned Parenthood
> Dems: nope.jpg
> FOX NEWS HEADLINE: DEMS VETO BILL BECAUSE NOT ENOUGH ABORTIONS MONEY

> 1st draft of Trumpbux
> Means testing implemented, weeks of checking tax records, bizarre requirements
> Dems: Just send the fucking checks to everyone
> FOX NEWS HEADLINE: DEMS BLOCK MONEY TO THE POORS

Stating the exact opposite of the truth, one that you read on Fox isn't going to convince anyone. We saw what bullshit happens when you let Republicans rush bills through, like during the 2008 financial crisis, and no one is willing to go down that road again. Dems are in no hurry to let your pet pork project leave the floor as a rider to the stimulus, and I support them.

>>18014434
>Hey guys, you can have this money but you cant use it for stock buybacks or for CEO bonuses, also you must pay it back
THEY ARE JUNT GONNA GIVE IT TO THE CEO REEEEEEEEE

Why do you talk about things you know nothing about?

>>18012095
they're trying to get MORE jews bailouts are you some kind of nigger?

>>18014449
>Just send the fucking checks to everyone
Why do you want checks sent to illegals and millionaires? This is great, dems are actually fighting for millionaires to get gibs while bashing Trump. Fuck Trump really is good at making his enemies talk themselves into their own doom

Are you telling me we won't get checks at all? what the fuck are we supposed to do with all the bills?

>>18012607
>i can only eat food from a grocery store

america is a corrupt whore with low-iq obese mongrels as its average citizen, this country with not survive either way, the new age is upon us

>>18014503
Sucks to be white, illegals and niggers on welfare are still getting their handouts, dems just want to increase their handouts like this retard >>18014449

>>18011972
what happens at 15k?

>>18014499
>Why do you want checks sent to illegals and millionaires?
It's faaster to send the checks to everyone with a SSN than spend weeks going through tax returns. The point is speedy stimulus, yes?

>>18014534
You are a tremendous faggot. Have a nice day.

>>18014464
>>18014499

NO BAILOUTS. Let the free market work. Successful companies who properly manage risk will prosper, poorly managed companies who over leverage will fail. Workers can work at the successful company that can pay better. Everyone benefits. No bailouts needed.

Bailouts only proper up poorly run, shit companies, that are leeches on society and will continuously need bailouts every minor crisis. NO MORE BAILOUTS.

>>18014499
The administration cost of removing the relatively small number of billionaires from the pool of recipients is greater than the cost of giving them free money
Reality > us vs them mentality

>>18014499
Trump knows that whatever he does the Dems will oppose. Dems are either too stupid to realize it or just in a shitty spot where they just can't give in to any of the GOP proposals or risk losing supporters

>>18014573
>Illegals dont use fake SSN
Im so sick of discussing politics with retards

Just gonna leave this here

>>18014618
That has to be the dumbest thing in this thread by far, I didnt realize millionaires, illegals, welfare queens, and people making 100+k a year were all billionaires, you are quite the genius, we need to put you in charge of the country fast.

>>18014682

Sick, I will make even more money from my puts on President Retard's fake economy.

>>18014611
You are so dumb, they dont need a bailout because the business is trash, they need a bailout because no one is flying because of the virus. Please lurk the thread, company goes bankrupt who hurts the most? Go on tell me its the CEO's please. Please do it so I ca finally put a bullet in my own fucking head to escape you know nothing retards with room temp IQ's

>>18014736
If your business can't survive a month without needing government bailouts then it's a bad business.

Either everyone gets a bailout or no one does. We're not going to let 2008 happen again. Deal with it.

>>18014736

Its called life. Shit happens. Companies need to manage risk. If an company can't handle real world events, it should fail so that companies that are smart enough to survive can take their place. Bailing out shit companies only hurts workers, because it props up poorly run companies, and poorly run companies almost always make less money, pay less, and have worse working conditions.

Bailouts help no one except for the retards running the shitty corps that need to be bailed out by taxpayers every time some minor crisis happens every 5-10 years. Its retarded.

All real conservatives, republicans, and capitalists should automatically be against any bailouts. NO BAILOUTS.

>>18014777
Kek has spoken. Let it be known

>>18014777
>If your business can't survive a month without needing government bailouts then it's a bad business.

THIS. MOTHERFUCKING THIS.

>>18014777
>The virus will only last a month
WHY AM I SURROUNDED BY RETARDS

>>18014777
>If your business can't survive a month without needing government bailouts then it's a bad business.

B-b-but we spent all our money on stock b-b-buybacks!

>>18014611
retard statement, coming from the 99%

>>18014777
Don't worry. It will just be bought by Tencent, rebranded, and then become successful.

>>18014940

Its only not true because the government constantly bails these people out. So they know there is no point in not maxing out risk, not leveraging debt to the max to maximize their personal profit for themselves, because they know if they fail the government will just bail them out. And they can start all over again maxing out risk and debt to make themselves money. Over and over, bailout after bailout, financed by taxpayers.

Bailouts are anti capitalist, they don't work, NO BAILOUTS.

>>18013816

The dems literally want to give you more and not give to corps

>you get to find out who they handed money to; after the next election
sounds legit

>>18014777
Try three months
We won’t have a working workaround, let alone a working vaccine until may

>>18014551
TENDIES HALF OFF

>>18012406
Army is always hiring.

>>18011837

you should know for certain that this shit is a crashing ponzi scheme, and you don't want to give anyone gibs to soften the fall down? autistic

>>18015069
>The dems literally want to give you more and not give to corps

>>18010661
>the architecture of the room

fuck we're still in the stone age.

>>18010705
>someone calls America a democracy
>no, it's a republic
is there any surer sign of a smoothbrain?

>>18010661
I've given up on Trump at this point, but they're going to tank the economy and blame it on Trump. I mean he could have done that all on his own but they're going to just destroy it entirely. The average voted has little understanding of the senate, how bills are passed, how the economy works and has a 10 minute attention span.
When it comes time to vote, they'll just remember that they're unemployed and the TV says Trump is to blame and democrats are the good guys.

It's going to be the same left foot right foot bullshit until America just collapses entirely.
What a waste of what could have been a great nation.

>>18015238

What would you call not allowing stock buybacks and not allowing companies that receive government aid from pocketing the money and firing their employees anyways?

>>18010661
>dems denying 1400 stimulus bux unless retarded Greta shit gets added on
Lmao this is political suicide, dems will lose seats over this
>>18010714
With the demands being so fucking stupid I fully expect it. Knowing that americans won't get a stimulus is going to further tank the economy.

>>18010686
This, sorry christfags but abortions are based. Anyone considering an abortion doesn't deserve to be a parent and the kid will end up a genetic dead end anyway.

>>18010918
Pelosi is further right than most Republicans they know exactly what they are doing

>>18015335

Do you really think that this would have happened if anyone other than fake president retard was president? Look at the stock market from 2009 to 2017, its a perfectly normal line going steadily up, then we go into full retard mode pumping up and crashing left and right.

Trump pushed tax cuts at the peak of the expansion, instilled his hatchet man at the fed to pump financial crisis level rates at full employment, and ran the largest deficit in history while pushing financial deregulation. This economy was headed of a cliff. Corona just made the crash point so obvious everyone and the mom got the fuck out or even shorted and drilled the stock market straight to the core.

This serious of events could only happen under a clueless billionaire heir reality TV star as president, who fires anyone who isn't a clueless sheep that only ever agrees with him. The government is literally run by clueless retards right not, and yes its Trump's fault.

>>18015564
>2009-2017
>economy
Kek

>>18010661
>tesla/elon musk gets GIBS
>amazon/jeff bezos gets GIBS
>the fucking stock market kikes got a 1.5 trillion dollar pump (basically GIBS)

jow blow?
>lol pull yourself up by the bootstraps

>>18014042
>>18014260
What fantasy do you live in where markets will be magically filled with smart and competitive companies?
>Let the free markets do their work
So let's take the advice from Austrian kikes and hope for it to work? Not buying it, shekelstein.

>>18015564
This series of events has happened repeatedly for centuries. This is just how the economy works, you can't have a bull run that goes on forever.
Ya Trump is a retard but if it wasn't going to happen now it was going to happen a year or so from now. The corporate debt crisis has been balooning for years and nobody was capable of fixing it because the sums of money inolved are unprecedented in human history.
If this goes on the 1-2 trillion they're proposing for stimulus will be a joke. The actual amount they're possibly looking at is a potential 11 trillion economic blow out.

>>18012229
Why do you think they're so hated?

>>18010661
>unless money goes towards abortions and airliners are forced to put a climate change activist onto the board of all major airliners

there's no way this is true..

>>18015976

not even a pandemic can uncuck them

>>18015976
This is the main reasoning: >>18011168

>>18015718
joe blow can't make rent next month because he got laid off due to the lockdown, and his landlord just replies with "tough shit you should have savings". meanwhile banks and tesla get free money all the time.

>>18015976
marketwatch.com/story/any-airline-bailout-must-have-climate-change-conditions-attached-says-group-of-democrats-2020-03-18

Dont listen to fake news low IQ retards like this >>18016042

>>18016200

It's all part of the overall reasoning. Do you have anything to back up that that's the main reason when we have quotes from dems saying it's mostly about giving corporations too much leeway?

>>18013689
Then where are these stupid shit off topic threads coming from?!

You people are so fucking dumb; did you really beleive that even the domeocrats would stoop low enough to put the whole nation at risk over abortion. Does anyone care to fucking read the article or fact check information, or are you guys too busy being retarded. They blocked the bill for good reasons; yes we need to act very quickly, but not if that's just going to dump all of that money in the laps of big corporations like the republicans want while screwing over the common worker. God Damn, READ YOU FOOLS!!!

>>18015564
Obama did this shit too though.
every president keeps pumping the economy, the only difference is that the GOP does so with no breaks so that they can win their two terms.
The major issue is that the US is living in 'infinite growth' and 'infinite rate of growth' land and every politician with any sway is bought out by corporate ceos who are okay with the economy getting pumped because it earns them big bonuses the feed into their golden parachutes

>>18010774
>He speaketh not ye olde English

Point and laugh at the foreigner, everybody.

>I only made $11,634 in 2018 so I'll probably get half the money


FFFFFFFFFFF-fuck you Washington

>>18011223
8/8

>>18010686
>>18013294
>>18013798
>>18015357
This, this is why biz shits all over /pol/ any day. Never understood the boomer ABORTIONS BAD mentality at all.

In fact, (and please tell me if this triggers you, so I may take a moment to belly laugh) my gf + I got an abortion the first time. Then we got in a better place with everything, and had a beautiful white baby. That’s how you do it