/biz/ - Business & Finance

Are we ready for blood-red-death-monday?
It's only fitting that after black friday we get red monday.

For bulls monday is not moneyday anymore.

>>17991701
I got half my stack in SQQQ waitin.

Has any major news come out today? I have been hiking today.

I have $300. Do I buy a SPY put or buy a cheapie?

>Puts bubble
>Stimulus
>Trump bux
Next week is gunna be the bull trap of a lifetime.

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Any open courseware worth checking out? Computer science/learn to code shit? Can I become a certified notary public or some shit? Let's come up with some productive thing to do besides a million bodyweight excercises!

>>17991718

Italy just announced the closure of all business that arent hospitals or part of the food supply chain. Everyone else is forced to stay inside

>>17991718
US cases skyrocketed today, Turkey is fucked, Italy just instituted everything short of martial law, usual infection climbs.

Reposting from other thread:
Honestly, I expect the S&P to try to stabilize around 2300; if it does, it could bounce up to 2650-2800. But if it breaks below 2300 decisively, there is no meaningful support until 2000-2100. Even then, the market might not hold there, given the dismal action in bank stocks. I would not look for a meaningful bottom to occur until the number of stocks making new lows shrinks, and more stocks begin to trade above their moving averages at various time periods.
With 10-year Treasury yields bottoming and the Treasury yield curve steepening, bank stocks should have gotten a lift, he says. Instead, monthly charts of the group’s benchmarks, such as the KBW Bank Index, have broken down from a nine-year trading range. That tells me we’re going to see big loan losses, which makes sense, given the devastation we have seen across the economy.
During the secular bull markets of the 1950s, ’60s, ’80s, ’90s, and 2010s, market-cycle lows often developed around their 200-week MAs. For instance,the 1957-’62 market cycle—which also saw a near-30% decline in the S&P 500, or a 62% retracement of the prior bull market, and a drop below the index’s then-200-week MA. We have to respect the market’s recent break below its 200-week moving average, but the precedent for a recovery is there if you look at 1962 and other cycles.

Reasonably, if you're playing spy puts, monday and thursday are your last good days.

>>17991718
>>17991739
What this guy said. It's a reaction to the news that the total number of new cases has gone up and another 600+ deaths today.

my spy put expires tomorw
$217
am i gonna make it

What are some cheap etfs to get when coronavirus is kill?

>>17991718
>Italy is fucked and going into full lockdown. Not baby bullshit lockdown, hardcore shit
>Cases are exploding in some countries like Turkey, India, and Indonesia
>New Jersey is issuing similar decrees to what New York did

>>17991670
disgusting.

>>17991768
No. You should have gone long on spy puts. This gives you time before you have to exercise your option. As it stands, your option is set to expire.
Worthless.

>>17991778
USO. I am thinking it will have one last hard push to the downside this week. Buy that and sit on it for a year.

>>17991768
I doubt it

>>17991720
i've been banking my put gains into SPXS for greater exposure.

>>17991757
I guess pic related means nothing

>>17991787
That looks similar to oil's long term inflation adjusted chart.

>>17991757
its going to 1300 dum dum

>>17991812
It's gunna get so much worse in America. Everyone's a stubborn fuck who isn't taking this shit seriously. They're all going to get blind sided.

Please tell me SPY will be at 130 first week of April

>>17991812
It actually does mean nothing. Not with 3/5ths of the country, plus 98% of all manufacturing and first level production, still moving.
The fact is that there are theoretical bottoms and that they should be featured into your strategy. You cannot count on the markets just dropping to zero. You need a firm entrance and exit strategy, which I suspect you don't have.

Just shut it all down.

>>17991831
i barricaded my parents house and will not them outside or get the mail. I have a germicidal UV light array on the front porch with a bulb that peaks at 252 nm wavelength for sterilizing any packages or mail that arrive to the front door.

>>17991739
>>17991755
>>17991761
>>17991780


Well shit, I won't go hike anymore. My bad.

>>17991825
On what, pretell, do you base that?

>>17991844
Could you imagine the chaos if they shut down the stock market for any extended amount of time? NYC would go bankrupt in a day.

TUMBLING DOWN
TUMBLING DOWN
TUMBLING DOWN

>>17991837
It won't. You got too greedy.

>>17991872
extending the 1995 trendline to current date. This is full bubble pop scenario.

>>17991882
>greed
anon, just sell while you still have the chance

>>17991887
So, nothing then.
Please show your work or I'll stop taking you seriously.

>>17991837
Dude, even if it's not at your strike price you're still going to be able to sell at a profit, don't get too greedy, sell when you're at a reasonable profit, don't hold till expiration. Use those profits to reinvest.

Guys if you turn the chart upside down we're actually mooning

>>17991909
i don't care if you take me seriously. I'm right, and the coming weeks and months will prove it. Cap this faggot.

>>17991757
If Coronachan leads into a credit crisis, we could see 2008/9 lows.

Buy ULTA puts while you can, makeup industry is in dire straits

>>17991897
See even if you wind up being right about the eventual bottom you are likely very wrong about the time frame. $130 is another -43% down from Friday's close and you expect that in under two weeks?

>>17991872
I'm reminded of another anon in the last thread telling me that there's no way these next few weeks are going to be a bull trap. His logic was that since every other crash has a bull trap around everyone would know it's coming. I told him there are retards who genuinely think this is the bottom and are going to buy in causing history to repeat.

Just tell me where to put my money so I can profit of this chinaman virus shit, you autists.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-21/italy-shuts-down-almost-all-industrial-production-for-15-days

>>17991880
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1UtRnGn5hc

Like I said. Long term we're fucked very very bad. 12 months of anything, lockdown, you name it and we're fucked. Short term, yeah we're still fucked but there's still time to advert the total failure point. If this extends past June, total failure is pretty much a sure thing. Past june, medical supply and TP shortage will be small potatoes, add food and other shortages to that list. Then you have the breakdown of the govt. Sooner or later, past june, congress won't be able to function due to lack of enough members required by the constitution to conduct it's duties. Not to mention if it spreads even more into the executive branch. Remember; congress must meet at a central location. This is mandated in the constitution. There is no such thing as a "work from home" clause.

>>17991943
>every state going to be quarantined
>american bodies piling up in the streets
>hospitals overflowing
>supply chains shut down
yes

>>17991948
no

>>17991841
>Will soon pass China, Italy, & every other country in number of cases, govt will soon grind the economy to a hault because they have no other options, only businesses that'll be allowed to operate will be drug stores & grocery stores
>b-b-but muh 200 week moving average

>>17991880
The weekend dow a legit thing? How accurate is it? Never heard of it until few weeks ago.

>>17991948
The only smart thing to do right now is hold it until some form of stability in this situation begins to materialize. Right now that is very far away, things are about to get a LOT worse with more of the US being locked down.

>>17991978
>The weekend dow a legit thing? How accurate is it?
No and it isn't.

>>17991964
If they can shoehorn a marijuana prohibition into the FDA's mandate and ban perfectly reasonable machineguns under the Commerce Clause, I'm sure they can pull some bullshit "modern interpretation" faggotry to Congress from Home.

>>17991964
the spanish flu didn't stop continuity of government, and this won't either. What we are going to see is the social program schedule advanced a few decades. things that were already going to happen after the boomers croaked are going to happen NOW. single payer healthcare and UBI as emergency measures which will never be rolled back because no politician has the balls to take away something that has already been given to the public.

It's over, it's just fucking over, we aren't even near the bottom. Sell sell sell. This is 2008 Electric Boogaloo Redux: HD Remaster

>>17991932
This I can agree with. Given how companies are leveraged and dipping steeply into their credit lines this is very very much a possibility. Looking short term, 2300, 2100, and 2000 are the big numbers for the time being and good indications of what the fundamentals of the companies comprising the S&P are in terms of credit and overall risk.

>>17991944
I'm of the opinion that if the week looks good tuesday and friday will be days in which you will see a fair amount of buying activity and thus good times to exit upon market open. I'm pretty damn certain there will be bull traps in those moments as well as a fair few bear traps during the next few weeks.

So i put 2000$ into GUSH and UWT respectively. I didn't know you guys were memeing. Im so fucking fucked

>>17991978
It's some Europoor betting market using weird derivatives. It doesn't actually influence the market, but gives us a window into what a select group of autistic Europoor NEETs think is going to happen.

So no less valid than the futures market.

>>17991986
>>17991978
It's been pretty on the money for the past few weeks.

>>17992009
>I'm of the opinion that if the week looks good tuesday and friday will be days in which you will see a fair amount of buying activity and thus good times to exit upon market open. I'm pretty damn certain there will be bull traps in those moments as well as a fair few bear traps during the next few weeks.
There's a beartrap going on right now. Everyone bought puts and shit last Friday. Right in time for the stimulus to drop.

>>17991768
Yes

>>17991670
>TUMBLING DOWN EDITION
Did I miss something? Is Monday expected to be blood red for some reason?

>>17992002
>those steep bulltraps all the way down

Disney is so so super fucked, could lose 20 a share Monday, no movies, no disneyland, have to make Disney+ standard definition, all movies going up at a fraction of the profits just to not break their 2021 schedule (expect Black Widow to go on Disney+ if virus lasts until June). I still don't think they can go under 40 a share though ever.

I feel like FOX movies, Star Wars IP, Marvel, the real estate they own, the insane level of IP if you were to sell it to China would be 500B all together.

https://www.thewrap.com/disney-looks-to-raise-6-billion-with-new-debt-offering/

I wonder how the cam girls are doing during the quarantine. You would think they would do well since they already work from home and now there are more people with free time, but people are also cutting back to just the essentials.

>>17992011
Why do you think GUSH holders are called GUSH-niggers here? Come on now

>be tsla
>production of main goods halted full stop
>still worth Four Hundred Twenty Seven Dollars and Fifty Three Cents

>>17992002
>>17991960

>look at the top of his dow

>>17992002
I wish I owned guns. Who knows what the fuck shits gunna look like when we reach Italy levels.

>>17992048
Even before the corona stuff they had yet to pull a profit.

>>17991787
We can only dream.
Imagine the cheapies.

>>17992040
>for some reason?

>>17991768
possibly

All in on SDOW. See you on Mars, bobos

>>17991837
No

>>17992040
>for some reason
Italy is going to pass 1000 deaths per day tomorrow, the worst jobs report in history is coming Friday, every day more states lock down non-essential services, and coronavirus is spreading literally uncontrolled in America. The Fed is trying to keep banks liquid but is now lending out A TRILLION DOLLARS A DAY to do it.

Yes, Monday is red.

>>17991998
The current legislation is not going to be giving even temporary UBI. It's a rebate based on 2018 or 2019 tax returns. If you didn't file, you're fucked. Temporary UBI would actually be more effective for lubricating the real economy and quickly putting cash in the hands of the citizenry, but it won't happen. The only people pushing for this are in the progressive wing of the democratic party, and we all know they never get anything passed.

>>17992036
The stimulus is not due to even be voted on until Monday afternoon at the earliest. But in all likelihood it'll be tuesday and wednesday before it's signed. If it even makes it out of the congress and senate. That assumes all goes well tomorrow at 3pm.
>>17992040
A bunch of earnings data came out after market closed. A very large number of companies got ratings downgrades and the issue of the credit markets came out after bell closed. Further, the bad news over the weekend plus entire areas of the eurozone effectively shutting down are news headlines of the day. This is leading to decreased outlooks and futures point to a 1000 point dow drop on open and a 120 pt S&P drop as well.

Fun stuff
https://knoema.com/atlas/topics/Tourism/Travel-and-Tourism-Total-Contribution-to-GDP/Contribution-of-travel-and-tourism-to-GDP-percent-of-GDP?type=maps

>>17991880
god damn I was a fool to hedge for that "quad witchening" shit, those calls lost 50% of their value Friday and are going to be next to worthless once the bloodbath begins

Stick with SPY or move on to Boeing? Bobo chads what are we doing?

>INDIA QUARANTINES CHINA SHIPS FOR 14 DAYS
https://www.business-standard.com/article/economy-policy/covid-19-india-imposes-14-day-quarantine-on-shipping-vessels-from-china-120032200066_1.html

>>17992002
Any bear willing to give me a realistic short to buy on the next big green bull trap? I am tired of getting fucked and now I am horny and want to fuck. I got 500 bucks sitting in my account.

Can 180 happen by April 23? Should I try to buy time

>>17992103
its absolutely going to happen if this lasts more than 2 months which it will. They need to keep people inside for months without sparking mass unrest.

>>17992145
It doesn't matter. India is fucked.

$SH 34c 4/17 EZ MONEY

>>17992137
95 is long term support for BA, wait to see if it breaks that before dedicating too much to it.

>>17992172
But they are a super power!

>>17992137
I'm hitting DOW, and the Russell for end of April OTM puts, already have spy. Also NFLX, 80x earnings in this market? Nah.

>>17992125
>120 pt S&P drop as well.
Oh lordy please. If i get fired from low oil prices i at least want my puts to get me some money to live off.

>>17992149
All the easy and obvious short term shorts have been exhausted desu. For longer term? Anyone with a lot of exposure to low grade corporate debt.

I can't see how they're gonna keep everyone at home for several months.
>people WILL run out of money for food.
>depression and suicide rates will go up.
>increase in violent crime.

>>17992151
I don't disagree that it's neccessary, but I think people will storm the US Capitol building before Congress ever comes to a bipartisan agreement on something like UBI. I think it is going to get very, very ugly.

>>17992206
>>people WILL run out of money for food.
not with trumpbux
>>depression and suicide rates will go up.
not with trumpbux
>>increase in violent crime.
not with ________

>>17992187
Every 100 points is at least an additional 20% put increase.
As you get closer and closer to the stock price itself the options value increases appropriately. Even june to july shares have seen a similar increase.

>Open youtube to watch weekly update from favorite Stock Wizard
>Using relatives TV with no youtube history
>open search bar
>Autofills include "When Will Stocks Recover"
sheeeeeit.

Again:
Good educational resources to build skills for the depression??

>>17992135
nah... quad witching is notorious for fuckery.
You can do the right thing sand still be wrong.

>>17992149
>>17992137
Smol caps
SOXS may still have some room to run.

>>17991670
Virus is officially priced in. We will be back to normal market activity Monday.

>>17992206
yeh, the social impact of this fiasco will far outweigh the economic.

>>17992237
I got April 3rd 220 SPY and April 17 200 SPY puts.

I come from an agriculture commodities background, do stock futures roughly follow the same guidelines that ag futures follow? Meaning that futures contracts have some kind of delivery obligation and a time frame to finalize pricing?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-goldman-mny-mkt-ex/exclusive-goldman-injects-1-billion-into-own-money-market-funds-after-heavy-withdrawals-idUSKBN21810A

>jesus christ even people are running from the jews

Anyone else riding this TVIX roller coaster? I'm holding TVIX, DWT, and SPXS heading into the weekend with some hedge money in NYMT and JNUG. Opinions?

>>17992219
watch it dude. It's going to come from the republicans, as shocking as that sounds. if the worst case projections are right, and we are locked up until we have a vaccine in 18 months, then all bets are off. Everything is getting nationalized and all the automation that we've been fearing is going to onboarded. everything that can be done remote will be. Shit. Even the fucked up automated driving system will be implemented for trucking since nobody will have a travel pass and the roads will be clear.

>>17992225
There isn't going to be Trumpbux anon. Pelosi is blocking it.

>>17992257
I'm a bit further out with June 19th puts. Longer term means a higher likelihood and thus a bit safer too. I'm in on some march 25th insane puts I'm likely gonna dump monday.

>>17992264
No one here trades futures. Its stocks or options really. Futures are lame.

>>17992267
>the jews
Go the fuck back to pol.

>>17992277
>holding TVIX over a weekend
Bold, I like it. Unfortunately I got in a week later than I wanted to because I only decided to put my money where my mouth was after the first Black Monday, and then my broker took 5 days to set up an account. If I'd been smarter and started when I first saw this coming I could have gotten into TVIX at like, $50. Fuck me, right?

>>17992281
not for long

>>17991800
calls on USO? that's my plan. also hoping for another dump this week and ill start building my position. looking to buy the calls expiring next January at a $10 strike and maybe some for January 2022 since they're super cheap (just in case)

>>17992291
>>17992257
Am I the only one hitting 4/20 blaze it puts?

>>17992281
No, I need that 2400 to payback a loan I gave myself to buy stocks.

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>>17992137
BA puts are so freaking expensive outside of weekly though, maybe BLK has meat on the bone, I like APR 24 210P if anyone would sell it to me

>>17992313
go away dutchfag

>take out everything I had in Telsa
>make bank
>refuse to touch anything until I hear someone at Telsa dies of Corona-chan
Sorry negroes, this shit is scary.

>>17992311
nope i'm right there with you friend. Although i also have gold mining calls for july.

>>17992301
Then why does everyone here hinge on the futures market after hours?

This is like 2008 but every retard and their mom learned about shorting and collectively drilled the S&P lmao. What color lambos are you guys getting?

>>17992351
gives sentiment

>>17992190
Can you recommend me a way of finding companies with a high junk/BBB debt exposure ratio?

>>17992278
I hope you're right. The Democrats chose to focus on expanding unemployment benefits instead of giving universal financial support immediately, which was unbelievably stupid because state unemployment offices will be tremendously overburdened. UBI might guarantee Trump reelection and prevent possible insurrection.

>>17992351
We're addicted to dopamine releases more than making money so seeing the futures confirm our predictions or crush our hopes really gives us that premium high

>>17992145
>quarantining chinese ships of all things

India is a bit late

I need the numbers to go down again, i can't fucking coom unless the numbers go down anymore.

>>17992375
>Democrats
Demonrats*

>>17992304
I got in late too, I'm hoping to miss that with JNUG, in at 4 and holding until all this fucking tard panic is over. Riding the fear all the way down with the shorts though.

>>17992391
I hope India posts real numbers, see how many millions die.

>>17991670

should I buy silver?

>>17992410
Don't worry, they have a strategy

>>17992410
Corona will turn into Super Corona by 2021
https://twitter.com/i_theindian/status/1241033450427047937

>>17992375
i'm 100% right. Remember, all these politicians are the worst narcissists the USA can put forward. They are thinking about how to secure their legacy for the history books right now, and pelosi and schumer have backed away from UBI to differentiate from the prog wing and pacify their donor class. Therefore it will come from the right as something that must be done for the sake of the country. The right claims a monopoly on patriotism and it will be an easier sell than you would think. Bernie bros were always just young republicans after all.

>>17992416
No, all precious metals are a scam today except for holding a few literal ingots of gold/silver. Not coins and shit, or stocks or mining companies.

>>17992409
you're not late. We are going to hell and i'll be making money the whole way down.

>>17992427
pajeet hard work ethic in full force there

>>17992375
>>17992432
>republicans arguing for UBI

man, 2016+ has become so fucking weird

>>17992432
>>17992448
So what are you looking at going forward?
Spy puts and biomed calls?

>>17992451
> Yfw everyone in Washington realized yang was right but didn't want to elect him

>>17992451
the end goal is Trump being a Strasserist I guess. Nationalize Boeing, pay the dividends to the white, Christian, American people.

>>17991867
Since I don't have that, do you think quarantining any incoming mail in boxes for 3 days and spraying lysol on them would be a better alternative?

>>17992463
short term i'm in individual market puts, and inverse funds like spxs. I also have UUP calls because capital flight from The Worldo into the dollar. But thats not going to last and the dollar is going to crater vs physical PM so i have longterm calls on PM mining stocks which will benefit from instability driving PM cost up and also low fuel prices which will help all commodities. Gilead will probably be good but i don't have a position right now.

>>17992467
>>17992474

Only problem is UBI is possibly the stupidest idea to ever be conceived by retards. And if you have to ask why, you are retarded.

>>17992467
>mfw I wanted Yang, but my state votes late as fuck

>gets dark
>anxiety starts to kick in

B-BROS!?

>>17992502
you can buy them off amazon.https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07S2Q9WMN/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Also hell no. I'm operating on the assumption that all the worst numbers are accurate. the japanese said fomites survived 9 days out of the body, so all mail is in a 9 day quarantine.

I bought a 4/17 220 SPY put and a 3/27 65 VXX call on friday, can't wait for futures tomorrow.

>>17992416
>buying paper silver
>finding physical silver

lel.

>>17992537
>light outside
>get dizzy
AAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>17992432
I don't expect much mercy from the dems after 8 years of Mitch attempting to shut down everything obama tried to do, rejected TARP, and caused government shutdowns and lowering of the US credit ratings.
He cared about fiscal responsibility then, but now he's all for tax cuts and increased spending now? Transparent partisanship.

A house divided and all that, we're fucked.

Go ahead and tell me I'm orange man bad and whatnot. But if you were paying attention during the "debt ceiling crisis" as Mitch likes to call it, and remember all that sequestration bullshit, you remember what a stupid fucking disaster that was.

>>17992451
If these tea party fucks don't put their hats on and throw a fit when casinos and cruiselines and generally insolvent businesses get government handouts... well, I won't be surprised.

It's almost worth picking up some Gamestop, the odds of a bailout make that a decent lottery ticket.

>>17992528
It's really not, especially in a deflationary environment where the government will force people to stay home.

Trickle up economics makes a lot more sense for stimulating an economy than trickle down, that money will be spent and not saved.

I lost everything. All of the calls that I bought at the beginning of the year expired yesterday. The stocks I own outright are worth shit. What the fuck bros.

>>17992528
automation was always goiong to make UBI happen.

>>17992575
? i voted for trump but you are delusional if you think he's hard right wing. All of his policies were basically 70's union democrat talking points rebranded.

>>17992541
Thanks anon, cheers. Stay safe and don't get the rona.

>>17992592
sorry, anon

>>17992595
Pretty much. Im not really worried about UBI staying after this. Its another expensive thing on the budget but if the Fed is just going to print everything nonstop then we might as well enjoy the benefits of clown world economics.

>>17992592
Just keep those stock and HODL for like 5 years. Act like they don't exist

What stocks does he have?

>>17992607
>you are delusional if you think he's hard right wing
When did I imply that?

So is Pfizer a good buy right now?
>Consensus target $40
>10 P/E
>5% yield (although that might be cut because lol corona, OTOH they already had coronavirus in their 2019 earnings report which is definitely ahead of the curve)
>Medical supplier during a health crisis

I have 4 Pfizer stonks and I'd consider buying more

>>17992592
sell the stock and buy penny options

>>17992624
5 years? haha you mean fucking 20. That's how long it's gonna take to recover from this

>>17992628
100% J&J

>>17992621
yeah basically. hard money is dead, long live clown money.

>>17992628
Hoarders should be jailed

>>17992607
Retards don't understand that Trump isn't "left" or "right" and thats one of the reasons why he won. Hes brought a bit of honesty into a den of liars.

>>17992632
you "orange man bad"ed me for implying that he would go for UBI.

>>17992592
you know that you could have sold your calls and stocks at any time? for example when it was obvious things would be going to shit a month ago?

>>17992575
>>17992595
>>17992621

UBI only works if you assume perma-deflation. We've had deflationary effects for two decades now but it won't last forever. Especially when people are not working and productivity plummets. Prices are going to go up. If there's only enough food for 80% of the people for example, it doesn't matter how many thousands of dollars each person has. 20% are going to be hungry.

So while printing money may have been a good idea during 2008, it doesn't make it good now. Completely different situation.

>>17992655
no, trump is also corrupt as fuck and a liar, but i'm fine with that as long as he works towards what i want him to. I legit beleive he fucked kids with epstein but i don't care because all of them did. Thats just the state of play in this sick fucking country.

>>17992654
He's not a hoarder. He bought up all the hand sanitizer he could get his hands on in his state and was reselling it on Amazon and Ebay for ridiculous mark ups. They wrote an article about him on WaPo I believe where he complained about getting removed from both sites for price gouging during a crisis. He said he looks like an idiot now that he has 20k worth of hand sanitizer. By the by don't feel too bad or glad for his misery he had already made thousands of dollars before he was shut down.

Is the doctor who said coronavirus would be a nothingburger for weeks in these threads here?

I'm not even making any fucking money right now, bros. Can't telework a manual labor job.

How should I cope?

>>17992696
gamble your savings away like the rest of us

>>17992508
>UUP and PM
I was also planning on getting into UUP next week with 30c Oct, and then hoping it hits, dump it and then jump into the metals because the hyperinflation is gonna tank the dollar.
GILD is would be nice if there was good entry points.
Issue right now for me with UUP is timing, scared it's gonna drop hard on some news

>>17991730
Real talk, how the fuck is AMZ crashing? I'd think they be blowing up from people under quarantine ordering things instead of going out shopping.

>>17992696
You have knee pads?

>>17992659
He already did?
We're just calling it stimulus.
>>17992692
He "donated" what was left of the sanitizer after he was banned.

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so can we watch escape from NY?
i dig the depression era flicks and all, and love bela lugosi, but real life now is basically the intro text from escape from NY.

so we should watch it

tbqhwu senpaitachi

>>17992688
no man, go back and re-read about the industrial revolution. the value of human labor is going to plummet not just for picking berries with spics, but contract law and arbitration. Automation and machine learning are going to take away the avenues for people to imporve their station in life via careers, so the ruling class will either have to kill us off with a plague (HMMMM) or give UBI.

>>17992592
If you didn't bail out the second China announced a total lockdown of Hubei you deserve everything you got

>>17991909
lol nice attitude but enjoy burning with it

I know I shouldn't spend more money, at least till I get my Govt check, but damn soon the DIS @ 50 thing will be staring me in the face. I've been dcaing down on my DIS so to bag it and reduce my cost a lot at that price would be very hard to pass by. I've not sold a single thing all through out this shit storm, I've been buying more in fact. Gave myself a loan. Plan to pay it back when the Govt check comes in.

>>17992709
lol. If I remember right this is his move. He has done this with other disasters and clearly made a decent profit doing it. I think the most memorable quote from that article was him saying that he was filling a need in the market.

>>17992717

That is just idiotic.

>>17992704
i don't believe in my ability to time the market so i look for undervalued options with late expiry dates for shit like this. UUP options after may are risky but still cheap premiums right now. I'll sell all of them by middle of april.

>>17992667
anyone with a brain cell could've seen that this shit was out of control the moment cases were reported in the united states. we weren't ready

>>17992706
Have you looked for any shit people would be fear buying on there? It's all gone, and the consumers are holding their money waiting for the next chance to buy a sixer of TP for 50 bucks.

>>17992696

Some former coworkers of mine are just smoking weed every night.

>>17992741
why? do you actually think human labor will have value in the future? We are moving towards a world where everything is automated. you have to acquire capital now if you want to have a say later.

Any leaf use ikbr lite?
I dont see a downside and plan to sign up to get in on the next multi-decade bull run

>>17992691
>trump is also corrupt as fuck and a liar
Ah yes, those 4 years of evidence that had him impeached and removed for corruption and lying. Fucking retard. Trump is the most honest president in decades. Hes a fucking angel compared to congress.

>>17992786
you are in the arrested development stage where you still think there are good guys and bad guys. They're all bad guys fren.

>>17992776
>you have to acquire capital now if you want to have a say later.
Pretty much the biggest failure of Marxism or any labor based ideology. What happens when there are no factory workers to share profits with as its all robots? There will be no revolution as there will be no workers. UBI gives them purchasing power though, to buy more useless junk made at factories.

>>17992011
Listening to /biz/ instead of doing your own research.

You only have yourself to blame

>>17991670
>screeners:
>https://finviz.com/
>https://www.tradingview.com/screener
>https://etfdb.com/

So ive been using stockfetcher as a screener because you can easily tweak it to your technical specifics. the only problem is it only covers US markets.. when theres a world of opportunity out there.

I have tradingview, but can the screener be technically customised? if anyone knows of a screener thats good for custom technical analysis that would be really helpful

>>17991867
how do you use it though? It's harmful to human skin, irritating at best. It can also cause cornea damage

>>17992011
why the fuck wouldn't you be in UWT? why wouldn't you go DWT at least? the etf is ending on April 02, and the oil price war will carry on a lot longer than that

>>17992803
I'm not a depressed paranoid schizo thats given up. Hope for a better world starts somewhere, and Trump is just a single step on an endless staircase towards a greater future.

>>17992858
>would* you be in UWT?

>>17992786
do you have the same goldfish memory that he has?

>coronavirus is a democrat and mainstream media hox
>i felt that the virus would become a pandemic long before it was declared

>>17992863
I finally found someone I'd be interested in listening to less than Mormons knocking on my door in the middle of a viral pandemic.

>>17992655
>>17992786
>>17992863
jesus

>>17992776

You UBI automation idiots must have never worked a job in your life. Its like you have absolutely no clue the type of trivial shit hundreds of millions of poor saps do hours a day to support the modern lifestyle. Stuff that cannot be automated.

Imagine how fucked economically Greece Italy and Spain will be with no tourism this year.
Even for UK tourism is 10% of GDP

>>17991701
>delusional bear
Green monday incoming.

I always win. And now I am bullish.
You bears are in for a big surprise..
Screencap this. See you on monday.

>>17992863
Yes anon. God is working through a guy who is broken every single Commandment.

>>17991718
It's dead jim

>>17992904
I'm a nurse, I'd like to see them automate my job! Best thing I've heard though is a little robotguy that can bring you supplies from the supply room. That'd be cool

>>17992924
>+0.06%
>+0.40%
So this is the power of the bull...

>>17992924
OH NO WE GOT TOO COCKY

>>17992932
In before
>GoD PrEfErS WoRkInG tHrOuGh ImPeRfEcT vEsSeLs, FrEn

>>17992930
positions?

>>17992011
Ive made thousands on short term GUSH trades recently

>>17992845
i have a bench in the front patio that packages are left at. UV lights overlooking it and decontaminating. I put on PPE, and open the packages to decontaminate the insides as well.

Even if you don't have masks and gloves, wrap a tshirt around your face and wear shades. then cleanse yourself with bleach water and jump in the shower after throwing your clothes in the washer.

>>17992240
Yeah I have been looking at puts for about 20min now and frankly, I am not risking 500 on a double your money play i might need that to buy food or a gun to kill myself with to be blunt, its all too fucked up for now, if I did something I have a good feeling about NVDA or what you said.
June 115P for earnings if it really crashes hard its a almost 500% gain

How much would the DOW have to drop for Cramer to pull out a bottle of pills and overdose live on TV?

>>17992995
find out monday

very lazy compilation, only a small fraction of early posts.

>>17992904
>Stuff that cannot be automated.
For now. A lot of things can be automated right now but its too expensive to deploy. Eventually that wont be the case and more things will be automated and as things develop nearly everything outside service jobs will be robots.

>>17992972
Do you have to rotate the packages? Seems risky and time-consuming, firstly because you expose yourself to the light and secondly if you turn it off between each rotation you just spend a lot of time doing that. Was wondering how others have this stuff figured out, probably like a lamp that you can move around, but you'd still miss the bottom side. What's the recommended washer temperature, 60°C?

>>17992883
>>17992886
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>>17992952
Nothing to do with God, retards. Hes just the obviously correct choice. Your minds are just melted from degeneracy you can no longer see truth or hope. Only happenings and nothing burgers.

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>>17993004
lol im looking forward to the compilation a year from now

>>17992930
EURO trash

>>17993026
can you stop posting like a faggot

>>17993015
washer is mainly for using surfactant action to remove the virus. i'm also disinfecting with bleach water while i'm moving shit around. These are all calculated risks fren, unless you're in a lead submarine at the bottom of a lake in switzerland you are going to have to take intelligent risks.

Should i sell my UVXY tomorrow or hold? i got a bit nervous since i went from 270$ to 1.4k but held and now im back down to 1k what do you think i should do lads?

>>17993026
start a twitch stream and watch The Stand. I'd throw you a few bucks.

>>17993042
no
we need to watch escape from NY

>>17993067

Tomorrow is sunday anon.

>>17993062
yeah... stay safe fren

>>17993071
is that the stephen kng one with the retarded dude who says
>M-O-O-N thats how you spell "x"

>>17993023
Are you a living breathing buzzword or do you have actual ideology, positions, and ethics?

>>17992592
Gunna have to go out and get a job anon

>>17993086
>>17993067

sorry i barely work anymore so i stopped keeping track of what day it is
sell on monday?

>>17992995
You mean, to say "I told you so" and "they know nothing!!"

He hasn't even invested his 401k this year yet. He thinks this is just beginning.

>>17993004
>collage of anons being incorrect
please don't do this pathetic shit
congrats on BTFO strangers on the internet and making money

also that other anon was right, the SPY did make new ATH's that week, and the week after.
and the anon who said there were more people posdting about black swan than ever was also right.

You have to find better things to do with your time when the markets are closed. I'm going for a socially distant run. Maybe you should check out what just happened in credit spreads and what happened after similar events in market history.

>>17993098
i'm hanging onto my UVXY for a few more weeks.
>>17993087
u 2 fren
>>17993093
yeah thats the one

>>17992011
Lol same.

>Look up robtoics manufacturer companies
>Their stock isn't doing nearly as bad as others and is recovering
Pretty good sign people are going to manufacture shit in America with robots now. Oh yeah. China is fucked.

>>17993098

Check futures in another 24 hours to see what the consensus is. Might be another sell off monday and a cover on tuesday.

>>17993111
was a pretty good one ngl
shit was long af tho

>>17993136
yeah its a miniseries not a movie. Thats why i suggested it for twitch. Lots of content to milk money out of pay pigs.

This is what you get for thinking eternal growth was even remotely possible. A cancerous stock market is not a healthy stock market.

>>17993149
nobody thought it was possible. We rode the bubble up and now we're riding it down making money coming and going. Stay financially illiterate.

>>17993128
>Pretty good sign people are going to manufacture shit in America with robots now. Oh yeah. China is fucked
good
if we cant have muh jobs back, neither should the chinks
t. rustbelt

>>17993026
go fuck yourself retard

>>17993165
if 1 million americans die get ready to see the return of the east asian exclusion act and possibly a US navy enforced blockade on all chink shipping.

>>17993175
finna rather fuck YOU wh*teboi

>>17993164
Then why did no one bat an eye at 12 years of immense growth? Even as the majority of the country is up to their ears in debt? Why did people screech "BUY THE DIP" every time it started to go down? Because they assumed it would never actually go down.

>>17993096
Good luck. I literally have put in applications to every single place in my entire town this week and 90% said they aren't hiring anyone and two said they actually laid off most of their staff.

>>17993026
oh also, i've been jonesing to rewatch the Vampire Hunter D movies.

>>17993183
das racis an shiet tho

>>17993183

>get ready to see the return of the east asian exclusion act

God I can't wait, tired of getting lumped in with fobs from the mainland.

>>17993203
yeah but you have to realize who you're talking to. This is 4chan and we're all paranoid doomsayers who have a latent unfulfilled wish for the normies to suffer the consequences of their foolish actions at last.

You're absolutely right that retards looked at P/E ratios of 40 or higher and thought that was sustainable.

>>17993183
I don't even want to think about that. Somehow I feel like it's going to be more than 1 million. Who the fuck knows what the political climate will be like after this. Heavy isolationism? SJW losing all relevance? Everything being swept with some new shit to redirect everyone from this the rug so Goldbergstein can keep his legal slavery? Shits gunna be crazy.

>>17991670
>yfw realize that the entire market since the recession has been one giant bull trap

>>17993222
this

>>17993183
delusional

>>17993240
>delusional
Yeah. It's just a flu bro.

>>17993240
italian mortality rate is 10% right now retard. Thats what the future looks like. It's so bright we don't need eyes to see it.

>>17993222
>>17993239
yea you guys are aight
fuck the mainland subhumans and their gommie overlords

>>17993255
not talking about that, China can't be blockaded

hey guys anyone got more of this anon's pics?

Imagine not being short right now. Its like you hate money. Even if we get a bounce, just hold. SPY will bottom at 50 in 4 years. Then you can go long.

>>17993262
But they're all old as fuck. Italy has one of the oldest populations per capita in the world. All the deaths are boomers

why do people say KO is recession proof? This stock has fallen off a cliff

>>17993271
lol China's navy isn't shit, unless you mean overland via belt and road.

>>17993277
why do fags always go so gaga for other flatass fags?
is it just narcissism?

>>17993271
if 1% of the world dies from this the chinks will be lucky to even exist after this. even Iran is talking about getting han blood vengeance. I expect a united front with russia, europe, and the rest of asia to embargo the chinese. Then lots of CCP repression to stop the inevitable uprising. Then legation cities and another century of humiliation.

>>17993285

SH is recession proof.

>>17993271
Yeah I don't know about that other stuff. I have a pretty strong feeling there's going to be a gigantic move towards robotic manufacturing based on what I posted here >>17993128
We've had the tech for years. It's just the cost to move out and political climate didn't allow it. They were trying to make it illegal for farmers to use robots (no fucking joke) but now all that shits out of the window. Who knows whats going to happen.

>>17993291
They actually built a ton of military bases in the ocean violating a bunch of treaties. This is something Trump talked about a ton when he campaigned.

>>17993262
theres also the fact that as of like a week and a half ago, they made the decision to essentially let anyone over like 80 die with absolutely no treatment whatsoever
and since they all live with their great grandparents...
nana and poppop finna git #REKT

>>17993281
thats just cope bro. First it was a dirty chinese virus, but first world asian nations would handle it. Then it was korea and japan, but it was just going to stay in asia. Then it was italians are dirty and old and kiss eachother too much, but the rest of europe would be spared.

The fact is this thing is contagious as shit and takes about a month to either recover or die. The olds were always going to be the first to die from this but they aren't the only ones. they're just frontloading the stats.

>>17993291
ok boomer

>>17993298
Russia won't attack China any time soon, they are stronger together than divided

>>17993203
The market was sending major positive signals until Italy’s explosion. This is the shortest secular bull market in history, just dec 2018 - feb 2020. If it weren’t for the one-two punch of corona and oil price wars, I have no doubt we’d be getting a buyable dip right about now.

This is a true black swan. You’re making it sound like the issue was only that the economic expansion went on too long and that valuations were too extended based on multiple expansion.

This is a major exogenous shock.

>>17992786
>Trump is the most honest president in decades
>"This is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic," Trump said at a press conference with his coronavirus task force. (March 17th)
“The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA,” he added on Twitter (Feburary 25th)
>the most honest president

Really nigga?

>>17993332
youre right, but i still stand by the fact that this sudden spike in mortality rate in italy has to do with >>17993320
that decision was about a week or so ago. all those 80+yos who got it since then are left to die

So SQQQ brobos what is your sell limit at?

>>17993313
I'm aware, but so did the Japanese. And the same lesson of WW2 holds in WW3. More carriers in the Pacific beats fewer. ASBMs are a thing, but both SM-6 and SM-3 are designed to counter them. America is also slowly rolling out high powered close defense lasers, which I haven't seen China equipping on any large number of ships.

>>17993298
Faggots like you ain’t gonna do shit. Just lay down and take it up the ass like the Italians. You white like dick faggots killed 300,000 of your own with h1n1 and didn’t do shit. Now you talk about global war against china for deaths that equate to less than a traffic accident. Get fucked kike dick. And die! Die hard. And when you watch your mom and die in the coffin, I want you to meditate on this moment. This moment in biz where everyone is laughing at you and your pain.

>>17993222
Checked.
Where on the oriental continent did your ancestors call home?

>>17993374
After first circuit breaker if NASDAQ goes up I sell.

>>17993370
He was one of the firsts to jump on it. Russia and North Korea were the only 2 countries that beat him. The EU freaked out hard when he blocked travel from them saying he was overreacting.

>>17993371
yes thats a factor. Watch this short clip where tim dillon speaks with a respiratory therapist. Its fucking terrifying.

We are going to see 50% infection rates at the peak of this thing and our surge capacity is going to be overwhelmed in like a week and a half from today. At that point mortality is going to = # of people who need oxygen who cant get it.

Post YFW Bullkek

I got puts on Ford and GM. GM expiring this Friday and Ford the week after. How fucked am I?

>>17993313
robotic manufacturing is pretty much inevitable, the problem is the resulting unemployment and this is especially a problem in China due to their population and their zero unemployment policy, which gives the US the upper hand

>>17993371
>>17993414
whoops heres the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmnCxW7Klb8

>>17993414
The question is, priced in or not?

Usually we'd assume the big players were watching this shit like a hawk, but I'd have said the same thing after Hubei locked down but it still surprised the market.

>>17993285
Recession resistant and that doesn’t mean it doesn’t get hit in a crash. Means it’s a good stable company that pays a healthy dividend and won’t just disappear into irrelevance. It’s being crushed by the etf effect, it’ll be back sooner than most.

How do we meme a Bloodly Monday to be guarenteed?

>>17993374
regardless of what happens I'm bailing out before the vote on trumpbucks and buying back in after the rally if it passes

>>17993183
Lol you act like the military won’t be busy killing its own people. That moment will be glorious. The fact that America is facing civil war 2 in order to contain a disease with broken supply lines. Japan has its lost generation. Americans will have their lost country. Europe...well there won’t be a Europe.

>b-b-but at least our healthcare is free!


Lmao.

>>17993370
He wanted to close travel with China earlier but congress wouldn't let him you absolute ignorant fuckwit. Every day congressmen tweet shit about how great china is, how powerful minorities are, how diversity is our strength. And you're mad at Trump because he tried to close travel EARLIER and was BLOCKED by those same people? You're absolutely insane. CONGRESS is at fault, ESPECIALLY lying cheating demon Democrats.

>>17993442
dow is still above 10k so its not priced in. This is a generation ender.

>>17993445
Pray to her.

>>17993459
Truly, the boomer remover.

...

I must love and protect Grandma.

BA will open deep red on Monday because of the divy cut, but will close green. Digits confirm.

>>17992904
you must be retarded to not see the writing on the wall

>>17993466
!!!!

>>17993463
>I must love and protect Grandma.
Based and EvenIfIDontLikeMostPeopleInAnAgegroupIStillLoveMyFamily-pilled

>>17993365
This. The market wasn't that unhealthy. I think the prices in Jan/Feb are fair if you didn't get the coronavirus shock.

>>17993406
he was still a solid two weeks behind even the least schizo asshole on an imageboard tho
i mean, wtf is the point of muh global surveillance state/PRISM horseshit if they cant even be bothered to stop something serious like this?
everyone knew this shit was in east asia, all we had to do was shut down the intl airports in mid january, and the cases would be in the double digits instead of throwing up 4k a day like now.
sure, people wouldve freaked out and screamed "RACIS" and MSM wouldve overreacted, but is that not par for the fucking course at this point?

the only rational explanation is that all world leaders took a look at the situation, decided none of us were worth saving, and threw us all to the dogs

New thread

>>17993488
>>17993488
>>17993488

>>17993397

Mainly in the south. Most of my family on both parent's end fled to US/HK in the 60s, the ones that weren't lucky got became target practice for the red guard. They're all traditional as it get, most of them are professors, doctors, and biz owners. Everyone reads/writes in traditional and not the abomination that's now known as simplified.

>>17993463
I just left the house for the first time in over a week. Still too many people. Gonna have to cleanse myself with fire before I enter grandmas room.

>>17993459
That’s highly improbable unless the dollar experiences astronomical deflation. Even 90 year olds have something like an 80% survival rate.

>>17993466
>BA opening deep red
Yes
>but will close green
They're going bankrupt and being bailed out GM style, my dude. They don't give a shit about small shareholders.

>>17993458
So go suck trumps dick harder faggot. Suck it till he cums in your face. You actually thought you could bully china? Lmao. China’s been around 5000 years. America’s been around for anpathetic 250 years. A mere wink of an eye. You got rich off the backs of the grace and kindness and all you did was grow more arrogant. Now you’re gonna not only get the fucked knocked out. You’re gonna die. Hard. So go ahead and suck trumps dick. As he boomer nuts all over face, you can blame the democrats. Lmao

>>17993442
>priced in
Normies don't understand how many people are about to die in US. Most people still think this will SOMEHOW work out. But there's just no way it can work out. US healthcare is not ready to handle a pandemic. When the homeless people get sick and the healthcare system rejects them, shit will properly kick off.

>>17993406
I agree that his immediate bans on travel to and from China was an amazing first response. But then he downplayed corona after that and only started doing anything significant 2 week ago. He's done some good and some bad and I hate it when people say that he's either god or the devil

>>17993486
pandemic preparation in Europe and North America is basically garbage. I think it has more to do with ego than anything else. We still have not adopted mask-wearing while sick practices.

It's a very deep acceptance of flu and we are far less community-minded than asians.

>>17993486
You should really rethink your expectations. There's not a leader in USA politics today that would've done a North Korea or Russia.

>>17992303
kike

>>17993453
Tmrw is the decision deadline so if you haven't sold its too late

>>17993498
people are catching it a second time already. Which makes sense since it is a basically a less deadly but more contagious SARS, and SARS still doesn't have a vaccine because it uses the human immune response to propagate itself in vivo.

I have a bundestag report i found from 2016 where they modeled this shit. They anticipated 3 seasons of n-cov before a vaccine was available. They anticipated 10% of the population to die during that period.

>>17993517
>You should really rethink your expectations
how about we rethink any of these stupid assholes having fucking jobs after this instead?

so help me god if i get this shit imma drive to DC and cough on literally anyone and anything who looks important

>>17993515
yea truth hurts sometimes, innit?

>>17992595
What about the swarms of shitskins to pay for

>>17993529
ah shit, of course now they finally decide to work on the weekend

oh well

>>17993458
I didn't see you post before making this reply >>17993514 but it's also relevant

>>17993509
Man the schizo really come out to biz on the weekend. Fucking cancerous faggots. China is one of the shittiest places on earth, only behind India, ME, and Africa. China deserves to be wiped off the map, a disgusting waste of earth. Fuck you chink shill.

>>17993554
>the Final Oopsie

>>17991768
If you're a bushfire aussie cunt and you mean tomorrow as in monday I think that you have a decent chance of making it, I expect SPY to drop to 212 on monday.

>>17993557
Of course he downplayed corona, as a leader he has to prevent panic especially during an unknown outbreak. The fact remains that he alone cannot do much in America, the president is not a dictator. Mayors of cities arguably have more power. Cuomo only JUST shut down New York, Trump has no say in that. Same with Seattle, LA, and other states. Only the governors and mayors have that power. Plus he can't get funding for anything until congress approves it. He did what he could like blocking travel to foreign countries and getting together doctors and businessmen, but he cant force people to do anything, which honestly is a good thing and how its supposed to work. I am very glad hes not taking this opportunity to go full totalitarian and expand federal powers, otherwise we'd end up in another civil war.

>>17993638
>otherwise we'd end up in another civil war
Hm? What sides would even fight? Kek'd

>>17993515
I am not wearing a mask lol, you like a complete nutjob

>>17993497
What's the difference between traditional and simplified?

>>17992960

Mainly my bunker.

>>17993515
Bro if you're not wearing a clean suit in public along with your full-face mask you're just larping. The amount of things you come in contact that could potentially be harbouring the virus is ridiculously high, given that the thing can potentially last up to 48 hours on surfaces. Masks aint going to do shit if you get your grubby hands on everything in your house without a full decontamination prior to that.

>>17993011
>nearly everything outside service jobs will be robots.
Wut. If anything service jobs will be the first to be automated. Any job that requires non-repetitive, dextrous, awkward, or otherwise complex interface with the physical world will most likely be the last to be automated. Ironically that high-profile contract law firm will probably get blasted by a paralegal AI way before a poor schmuck carpenter gets cucked by builderbot 2.6.