/biz/ - Business & Finance

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I'M PRIINTING

>>17989325
Is it likely? Sure it's 100% possible.
However, just because it is possible, that doesn't mean that that is what's going on. And that's kind of the thing here: You have to eliminate all other possible explanations before you settle on it as the probable explanation.

https://brrr.money/

>>17989316
See ya Monday bulls.

This "fren" shit is the gayest fucking faggotry I've ever seen. It's worse than smug anime posters, because I know it's the same fat disgusting smelly pieces of shit posting it, but at least the site was founded on weeb shit and anime posters don't think we're all friends here. We're not. We're strangers who share a common interest, but we're not fucking friends. Yeah we're all fucked up but I hate the wallowing in self-pity from these fucking NIGGERS. It's reddit dogshit. Retard faggotry like "fren" and "tendies" is NIGGER NEET SHIT HUMOR and I wish all you faggots would kill yourselves.

Seriously, I mean it. Buy a gun and fucking shoot yourself frogposters. It's not funny, it's not cute, it's the same "uwu so wholesum" bullshit tumblr does.I fucking hate normies and I fucking hate you.

ITS TIME TO SELL
>ITS TIME TO SELL
ITS TIME TO SELL
>ITS TIME TO SELL
ITS TIME TO SELL
>ITS TIME TO SELL

Have an empty garage? Want to make money?

Buy a power rack and barbell and some weights. Charge people by the minute to do their lifts. Guaranteed liftbros will jump on it, just make sure you stay on the downlow so you don't get shut down for your "lifting club". I would do it myself and make a killing but I have nowhere to store the damn thing and I don't want it to get rained on.

Help. I'm listening to Shiff and I'm about to fall for the gold meme

>>>/int/120000000

B E A R S WILL BE RICH

Reminder: China lied. The virus is from China.

>>17989397
Certainly this won't all blow over within a couple weeks and you wouldn't be stuck with a bunch of gym equipment you don't use right?.. i mean.. really... what could possibly go wrong

>>17989430
yeah, we know, so what?

New York has thousands of cases and still hasn't shut down. Can we consider the implications of that? Because it seems pretty straightforward.

New York has more cases than Milan did a week ago. New York has only just begun to even start implementing containment. Testing is lagging far behind. And yet, in Lombardy, the Italian military is being used to transport trucks full of bodies out of the city, because the crematoriums are over capacity.

There will be mass graves in New York within two weeks. It's literally that simple. It's too late to stop it.

did we go to the moon?

I hear a guy outside stressing the fuck out because he will be laid off.
meanwhile I sit here waiting for the monday crash..reading upon the 4 pillars

>>17989411
Ask yourself this: Where are all the gold millionaires who made money off of his scheme? The profit is not to be found in the person who buys into it. It is in shiff and his selling. He gets money from people who buy into it. Be it in the forms of comissions or in sales and revenue from people who buy into his scheme and read all about it. Most of the books you see on book store shelves promising that "You'll become a millionaire" are worthless. They will only give you generic advice. Yet people are all looking to get rich so they buy up those books and they wind up making the writer rich.

I was watching the big short the other day, simply because I wanted to watch it. And there was an end scene in which people were in a hall listening to some dudes pitch on "How to make millions flipping homes" and I was struck by how bald that entire thing was. In a way, that's all that those books do. They promise you something, but they will make far more money than you ever would.

If you are worried about a worst case scenario: Buy actual commodities you can then sell at a profit. Don't bother with investing in gold unless if you are getting the securities...

>>17989439
You can literally make all your money back in less than two weeks. I'm talking charge $60/hour or more.

>>17989463
>There will be mass graves in New York within two weeks
I'm thinking bullish

What can a bear who exited all positions Friday do on Monday?

>>17989463
Weren't they digging mass graves with prisoners already?

>>17989488
buy calls 5 minutes before close

>>17989488
Sit back and watch the rest of us who rode over the weekend print money

>>17989488
Take your gains, enter your puts just before market opens if you want to go all in early. The morning trading session from 9am to 11am will be a fucking slaughter. Your orders would need to execute shortly after open.

>>17989488
im in the same boat. maybe load puts at open ? Depends on if you think there will be a pump

>>17989475
I don't expect to make millions, I just don't want to get wiped by hyperinflation.

OKAY GUYS IS MONDAY A PUMP OR A DUMP

>>17989488
regret not holding SQQQ over the weekend

>>17989488
F

>>17989552
its going to be a dump and dump

>>17989455
Just a reminder. Don't forget it.

>>17989482
This might be the dumbest fucking idea I've read this week, and that says something.
Things that can go wrong:
1)You will be assulted by roid raging bodybuilders for trying to literally rape them with fees.
2)You can be robbed by kangz.
3) You can be fined by the government for running a gym, when all gyms are supposed to be closed.
4)You can become a hotbed of coronavirus.
5)You can transmit coronavirus and die.
I could go on, but what's the fucking point...

>>17989527
At that point, no matter what gold options you hold, be them tradeable options or the actual stocks, no amount of hyperinflation would result in that being profitable. Further, it would tie up your assets in essentially useless stocks as the second you would try to extract from the market you'd be wiped out on commissions. If you want to actually have some form of stable currency then actually invest in the dollar for now. Dozens of money markets are actually cashing into greenbacks because it's the only stable currency at the moment.

Can I get a rundown on current events? Trumpbux, shutdown, cures, anything new today?

>>17989527

You can get a little bit to hedge but don't get sold into the doomsday scenario, personally I rather speculate on rarity and get limited/specific coins as people will pay a huge fucking premium on top of spot because of arbitrary shit. Hedge on a hedge.

>>17989586
see
>>17989463
it's over

>>17989586
Trumpbux will never pass congress lmao

>>17989586
Are we your fucking interns faggot? Literally open bloomberg and read the headlines. Fuck off.

>>17989552
I think the market will move with covid numbers at this point. US gained 44% a day, that's not a good look, this is some Italian level shit. It's a dump and if tomorrows numbers are even worse it's a flipping bank run

>>17989554
I want to kill myself for not doing this

Do we have any DATA to suggest that millions of Chinese are dead and they’ve hid it?

It’s very easy for me to believe, but I don’t have anything to support that belief.

>>17989475
Never know when inflation could spike, I bought more GLDM with gold at 1400 or so.

5% of your portfolio in gold is good IMO. But I have 50% in USD so yeah.

What does "diversify" mean? Do I buy stalks of Nike or another diverse company?

>>17989586
No, yes, 6+ months if we live that long, bearish.

>>17989488
just wait and buy some quality companies for th elong term

bros...is not funny anymore...wake me up from this fucking nightmare...

>>17989316

>>17989646
If you are not prepared to buy african stocks you are racist, bigoted and should leave this chatroom

>>17989646
I buy stalks of corn to get niggers a good source of income for my diverseness.

>>17989625
Holding anything over the weekend is sketchy right now. I bought big into the bear ETFs on Friday, but we’re more than overdue for an oversold bounce. That could give a much more attractive entry point.

I don’t think 2 trillion of stimulus is baked in. Is death and disease is more baked in than not, but Dow at 15 wouldn’t shock me. I would likely deploy any remaining cash at those levels and get the fuck out of any short ETFs.

Who’d y’all short?

>>17989463
does this mean i should keep buying puts

>>17989667
this is where you get to realize that this isn't stopping for 8-12 months at least, and the CDC is planning for a potential 18 month pandemic

>>17989709
figure it out

I can have $250,000 on Robin hood within 2 weeks.
What dividend stocks should i go in on? Should it be delta?

pls do not comment on the XRP

>>17989250

>>17989709
I think we'll hit bottom in two to three weeks, and here's my logic
>earnings reports will keep hammering the stock market for the next few weeks
>Thursday jobs report will be BRUTAL
>lag time between action being taken and cases reducing is ~2 weeks, and New York is just now starting to realize how fucked they are
but
>people will start to accept that yes, this is a 1918 tier pandemic
>the economy will hopefully begin to stabilize in a "holding cycle" at low levels of productivity and high unemployment, but with plans in place to restart when possible
potential risks
>if a bunch of BBB stock goes to junk because of bad earnings reports idk what will happen but the Big Short said it would be bad
>50% of corporate bonds are BBB right now

>>17989742
comment on the xrp

>>17989742
check out $ROPE

>>17989714
During the Spanish Flu, there was actually a first outbreak where people were infected with it initially and a bunch of people died.
Just as things started to stabilize it mutated into a second strain that ended up wiping out millions.

They've identified a second more virulent strain of the coronavirus.
The reason the UK are going with their totally insane 'herd immunity' strategy is that they're hoping it just might save them from the second pandemic.

>>17989742
>I have 250k on robinhood

You know they're one bad day from being completely insolvent, right?

>>17989769
I suspect we're still going down to. This week might be green, but every crash has that giant bulltrap.

>>17989765
How is Mussolini better than Hitler? Italy was extremely ineffective during the war.

>>17989701
Sticking with just SPY right now, I'm considering moving to Boeing. Some of the big banks still have plenty of room to fall though.

>>17989701
why spy of course

>>17989369
Based and redpilled

buy consumer defensive stocks, dividend aristocrats, REITs

>>17989316
>recession
It's like she never left...

>>17989837
>dividend aristocrats
Dividends are being cut
>REITs
People and businesses will be defaulting on property
Do not do this (yet) retard.

>>17989801
>>17989802
Very based lads

>>17989837
more like buy defense and technology stocks
LMT, KTOS, GD, AAPL, MSFT, NET, AMZN, GOOG

>>17989769
>A market so bearish even Bulls are conceding that things are getting worse.
Buddy we're only getting started.
>Plandls In place to restart when possible
>Fast Forward 18 fucking months when it's finally possible.
And even that is only a hopeful stabilization

>>17989769
nice

>>17989714
Ten years bare minimum, probably looking at 300-400 years in reality
Dow sub 100, toilet paper will be worth more than actual 100 dollar bills, saudi/chinese cryptojew hegemony with russia as trained dog, africa in shambles (rhodesia reborn from the ashes), india colonizing Mars, bitcoin long forgotten but link now defacto currency of the world gov, third ingredient in mountain dew might shock you, gays allowed to marry in all white countries, abortion legal for all non muslims.
You think this sounds bad? Buckle up because that's just the next ten years bud

>>17989906
>calling me a bull
you know these posts are also me, right?
>>17989463
>>17989554
>>17989714
I think we'll hit bottom when coronavirus reaches maximum social impact, which is when we have mass deaths in New York, which is 2-3 weeks from now at best

>>17989552
Is that gif real?

does anyone where do vertical option spreads?
or do you just go skinny dipping?

>>17989926
Doom doom doomy doom and glooms

>>17989788
Source on the Spanish Flu mutating before the second wave? Did it mutate again for the tvird wave?
I don’t think mutation is required for secondary waves, as long as most people haven’t got it and become immune there’s still room for more waves. It is also likely that a mutation that becomes better at spreading might well be less severe in mortality (no selection pressure towards mortality).
It’s not mutation we should worry about, it’s fatigue among the population (and, frankly, greed among the bulls) that might make the isolation measures for the second wave insufficient so that it hits us harder. That is, by September people will go ”fuck granny, I’m going clubbing” and then they die (not just granny) because at that point overwhelmed hospitals will start losing young, healthy people on mass too.

>>17989714
Old news, big money should be well aware of this stuff.
The next selloff I suspect will be people getting laid off and selling because they need cash. People are scared physically, the people going out and acting like idiots are in the minority. Next people will need to be scared financially. Then maybe we could even bottom.

All we need is a little bit of certainty. One wall st. Thinks it can predict the outcome, it can start buying. Don’t need to see the top of the curve, just figure out where it’ll be.

>>17989769
We already had the jobs report selloff thanks to GS crying out that the sky is falling.

>>17989797
You know that article that said they were desperate for funding was followed by an article saying they were granted major extra funding?

>>17989701
Fang
Semis
Smol caps
Dow

>>17989507
So Tuesday’s gonna be green? Should I buy cheap puts then

>>17989926
This is improbable

>>17989929
>come on now
of course it is

>>17989958
I was being optimistic for your sake

>>17989975
is that frog real?

>>17989965
>shorting Apple when they have enough money to buy entire sectors of the economy during this crisis
Apple could buy AMD something like 40 times over just with their cash on hand, and the USD has been appreciating tremendously. Apple could fire their entire production division and become a hedge fund, and probably make money doing that. How low do you think they'll go? $200?

>>17989928
>maximum social impact, which is when we have mass deaths in New York,
I think this is where you're wrong, friend. While the deaths in NY finally being reported on will be like a wake up call for /some/ it will also be ignored by the masses who live outside of the cities. More prominently being the people who call this just another flu. The people who are ignoring everything are also in less populated areas, it's logical to think that people will think "oh that's too far away from me. It doesn't matter" And those same people will continue to not take it seriously. Exacerbating the issue.
I think we're a long way from everybody taking it seriously, I would say 2 months.

>>17989701
SPY, naturally, but now that I understand why BND is paradoxically correlating with SPY, I'm gonna short that, too.

>>17990014
>people will still be calling it just a flu while the National Guard trucks piles of bodies out of New York
I don't hate you because you're wrong, I hate you because I think you're probably right

FUCK why are people so stupid

One thing to remember: We are taking part in a put bubble. With a bunch of people who may be hopping on within a few days, the good positions will vanish quickly. Especially as the point drops continue.

When a few people make a lot of money, many, many people want to jump on board – often to their own detriment. Every time there is a “bubble” – like the recent dot-com bubble and the housing market bubble – it’s the result of a small handful of people making good money and lots of people trying to follow in the footsteps.

If this is your first week or month coming here. ask yourself this: Are you getting in early? Or are you simply just part of a bubble? Plan accordingly. Position yourself on puts that are reasonable, and if the puts stop following the market action get out with whatever you can. Because that's a sign the bubble is bursting.

Who here invested long-term in CEO Mike?

>>17990006
What frog? can you point to him? what is he doing?

>>17989929
yes

>>17990034
I should see if there's an ETF that indexes just junk, not investment grade debt.

>>17989701
Boeing and Exxon.

>>17990034
is that because everyone is fleeing both bonds and stocks for cash, or is there some deeper meme I'm unaware of?

>>17989884
Here's where I am now. I'm assuming SPY wont actually get to $130. But still plenty of money to be made in the mean time.

>>17990053
Redditard

Spacing

Kys

>>17990053

>>17989985
heh

OH NO NO NO NO NO
WE GOT TOO COCKY BOBOBROS

rate me comeback so far

>1 SPY 229p 4/3

>>17990006
The frog is real, and he is in your mind.

>>17990110
>Being willfully ignorant
you're my favorite kind of person to make money off of
the stupid kind

I don't have any positions open. Is there a chance in hell of me getting an SPY put at market open on Monday and profiting on it?

>>17990140
>reddit

>>17990138
>Chad Wolf
That name is so fucking alpha it should be illegal

>>17990102
>pressing Enter a few extra times warrants a Kys
WHAT a hardass

>>17990084
You're correct, and the underlying reason is about 30% of corporate debt ($3T) is junk, so no one wants to be holding paper just as the virus is putting 2 million people out of work in the last 14 days.

What I don't get is why gold is falling, too. My guess is there's not a lot of cash to begin with? Or they wanna stay perfectly liquid, or avoid buying a spec top. Whatevs. I'll figure it out.

>>17990047
Can you imagine what would happen if the media had a live ticker of all deaths from heart disease, cancer, malaria, ordinary flu etc? Covid is serious but i don't think it's shut down the whole world serious.

>>17990138
>No plans for a National Quarantine
1. Lying out the ass
2. Good to know, people will continue as normal

>>17990165
You don't have any money, queer.

>>17990140
youll finally be back in the green monday, congrats

>>17990138
why yes I do prefer millions of americans dying over just a hundred thousand, how could you tell?

>>17990138
this is in no way bullish, this is just stupid

>>17990007
I’m not shorting Apple directly, I bought FNGD.

The real problem is that it’s also amazon. I agree with the guy who said the trump bucks are basically an amazon subsidy. What are people going to do with an extra 1-2 thousand? Order groceries and shit from amazon.

Also BABA.

>>17990181
How do you not understand what a deflationary shock is?

>>17990169
please do not do this

>>17989929

>>17990193
Covid passed the flu this week in daily deaths and will pass Malaria and HIV next week. People don't think it's serious because they keep looking at the current numbers instead of the exponential increase. We're at the very start of something that could kill millions.

Let me ask you a simple question. We both agree China has no regard for human life, only economic output. Yet they turned off their entire economy to fight this virus. Does that mesh with it being "just a flu"?

>>17990200
Oh yeah? What calls did you buy?

>>17990138
>Chad Wolf
That that is one goddamn hell of a name for a man.

>>17990181

Gold is falling since people are just liquidating every investment for cash. Kind of hard to sell bullion here when the shops are closed, out of cash, or you're waiting in a line because the boomers in front of you are trying to haggle for more than spot.

>>17989929
>wow

>>17990253
It’s not just that gold is falling, it’s that the dollar index is rising, and you’re measuring the price of gold in USD.

>>17989351
LOW TERRAIN
PULL UP
DUDU
PULL UP
DUDU
LOW TERRAIN

OH NONONONONONO BOBO I GOT TOO COCKY PLEASE DONT DO THIS I APOLOGISE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>17990253
>>17990276
That makes sense since every country is dumping their currency into the dollar. Makes me wonder which currency is most likely to recover.

>>17989369
Jesus this is amazing

Are we creating a USD bubble?

>>17990284
this is the fate of all moomoos

>>17990181
Apple is going to eat dick, investors are panicked and I can fucking guarantee you that after 2 quarterly losses in sales people start selling. They are a piece of shit selling overpriced tech, that will crumble and fall during a recession.

>>17990284
VICTIMS ON BOARD:

SUM TING WONG
WEE TU LOW
HO LEE FUK
BANG DING OW

>>17990316
But they have Berkshire Hathaway tier cash reserves, their entire business model could crash and burn and they could happily survive as a hedge fund.

>>17990312
STEAK

>>17989965
Explain this image

>>17990276

Flight to safety/flight to quality as its called. You're not wrong on the dollar index though, even FX rates shot up from the mass exodus to the dollar in the recent weeks.

>>17990312
The day of the hamburger is upon us.

>>17990219
Given his comments thus far I assume he is from /pol/ and knows next to nothing about investing.

That aside, the amount of people trying to get in on the puts game shows that everyone is rushing to take advantage of some quick and easy money. During the contraction, SPY puts is an easy money making game. I'd like to see how some people here do after the easy bubble pops. This is probably their first options game.

So, what do you think we'll discover once this is over, guys?

After 2008 it was CDO bullshit, what is the crux of this crash? Don't tell me it's just corona slump.

americans are fascinating creatures.

>>17989714
Well if this lasts 12 months we're fucked. Already at 2/3 months we've got shortage of medical equipment and TP. Economy is in the shit, people outta work,etc. The longer this drags on, the worse it gets, I'd say May/June will be the tipping point. Either they nip it in the bud by then or they admit failure.

>>17990370
BBB corporate stock, low interest rates, and stock buybacks -> finance bubble

Also, don't underestimate the implications of literally turning the entire economy off to contain a virus.

>>17990335
If they use their cash for buying back stock, they will hurt their R&D and future developments. If they start buying stocks back they can't just stop at some point because that would be money thrown away. Realistically if this economy continues they WILL revisit 150 and if things are really bad perhaps lower.

>>17990307
?... no.
It's a corporate debt bubble

>>17990110
She is almost as devoid of depth as an Egyptian painting.

>>17990342
Your cyborg kouhai just found out that she doesn't bleed like humans do and is seeking your recognition.
She thinks it's cool.

Why can't I just have a 100% SPY portfolio and sell calls on it?

BUY BITCOIN NOW

>>17989412
Holy based and checked

>>17989742
Honestly, I used to be a bull but ive given up until 50% market loss, I guess everyone is hell bent on making another 2008 happen.

I would possibly play for AMZN earnings if they lose another 200 points irrationally, they are going to report their greatest numbers ever and it could unironically begin the market comeback and this is in two weeks.

>>17990286
Investing in dollars is too boring for your average /biz/natch though I am in UUP and its so borrrrring

>>17990232
Yes but China was only delayed a month, if we only delay a month markets will bounce back incredibly fast because earnings reports will all still be great.

What heck anons. I'm nervous hust waiting for Monday so I can buy more options. Aaaaaaaaa this is annoying. I shouldn't have pussied out yesterday!

>>17990370

Besides this disease? Probably a lot of supply chain bullshit, and the average joe dumping all their shit in index funds "cause the market goes up 15% a year and beats mutual funds."

>>17990410
the 1920s were the worst fucking era, whenever I see some movie depicting it with their silly fucking dances and idiotically merry songs that were detached from the horrors of World War I, I want to punch something. Those happy-go-lucky faggots led to WW2.

>>17990370
Over inflated stocks from stock buybacks and the sugar high from a Trump presidency. Also it shows that companies putting all the majority of their eggs in the China basket for manufacturing was short sighted. Once China shut down production ground to a halt. Expect to see companies like Apple setting up a bunch of factories in other shit hole countries so if any one goes down it doesn't effect production.

>>17989701
AMD

>>17990429
A call is a bet it will go up. Why would you have a 100% spy portfolio of calls? You would lose money.

>>17990342
Oh. Well, that makes sense, she didn't know. Thanks.

>>17990307
Hard to call us treasuries or dollars a bubble, but this deflation can’t continue forever. And if the us tries to devalue it’s currency, I’d wager most other countries especially those that do any exporting will race to devalue against the dollar.

>>17990342
No U.
The one I found didn’t have available translations, should've checked the other boorus. But it looks like it’s the artists own creation, ‘Android girl’ or something like that.
Doesn’t she look cute with how excited and curious she is? I just liked the art.

>>17990400
One of the reasons buybacks is preferred to dividends is because they can just start and stop as they deem wise. Why can’t they stop? They just... don’t do it, say the cash could be better used elsewhere. Tim has done a good job so far in deciding when to do buybacks (dec. 2018 for example) and steering the company (milking new revenue streams). I’m not buying now but There’s a good reason it’s a blue chip.

>>17989967
>So Tuesday’s gonna be green?
if monday is big red then yeah probably
>Should I buy cheap puts then
on a green tuesday? thats up to you. do your own dd. depends on how green. depends on what youre shorting. the other anon mentioned the put bubble about to burst - be aware of that.

>>17990379
>flattening they curve
I wish they would learn to read and write in their language

Trump and crew knows the reckoning is coming with the jobs report, so they're trying to pump as much subsidy as the can to soften the blow when it hits

>>17989463
Stop it, I can only get so erect.

Saturday update from the Good Doctor John Campbell
https://youtu.be/o2FkuQZTYO4

>>17990463
They wanted to forget the war.
What is the excuse now?

>buy the rumour, sell the news
Monday is time to buy lads.

>>17990478
The reason it's a blue chip is because the gay apple became a status symbol. A logo. And when crisis hits, and people have to do the best with what they have, they tend to look deeper into the things they buy, to make sure their money isn't wasted. I believe Apple will suffer some of its worst years in the coming future, if we go into a recession ofc.

>>17990535
dont trust this french retard

>>17990472
Meant for >>17990420

>>17990178
Interviewed by virgin Jeff Poor

>>17990534
Things have not been as cheerful as back then. It's more mindless misery, people watch others suffer for their own entertainment, the dumber the better. It's something entirely else.

>>17990535
Dude one look at this fucker and I know he's a conman, what fucking doctor wears a lab coat at home? If you fall for this type of shit perhaps you shouldn't be investing your own money by yourself.

>>17989527
>hyperinflation
Will never happen with the dollar

>>17990089
>this greed
If those are green, you better sell Monday.

>>17990535
Having a treatment might lessen the death toll, but won't change the economic impact all that much.

>>17990316
Agreed. But from Zoomers to Boomers, everyone throw money into their S&P ETF's, Apple will rebound bigly

What's going to happen with oil, should I accumulate chevron or exxon? Should I buy USO calls for next year?

>>17990504
What does the put bubble bursting entail? If the price keeps falling I still make money right?

People said there was gonna be a short squeeze Friday too because of too many puts, but that didn’t happen either

>>17989926
>rhodesia reborn from the ashes
Please don't get my hopes up anon

>>17990578
Monday is looking alright.

>>17990219
>How do you not understand what a deflationary shock is?
I do, though, moron. Look at GLD, BND and DOW 1929 through 1931.

Later, faggots. I've gotta go be richer than you.

UK stocks you like with low/no debt, lads? I'm going all in the stock market over the next few months and I've only found 2 stocks I really like.

Greggs and Games Workshop. I think a 2 stock portfolio is a bad idea desu.

>>17990463
A lot of nostalgia, they don’t show what life was like for anyone who wasn’t wealthy.

The whole point of Gatsby was the division between the rich and privileged that’ll get through anything and everyone else who will be thrown to wolves as soon as it’s deemed necessary or convenient.

Or something like that.

>>17990596
True. And as soon as people feel hopeful, they’ll be throwing more money at new phones and watches and whatnot.

>>17990620
If you understand than you shouldn’t be confused by gold’s drop.

>>17990617
Yea, I have 26k in spy puts as well, but they are "at the money." One green day for an OTM put is a death sentence.

>>17990241
VIX, and on the other side of the ledger, SPY puts.

>>17990253
Do you understand the difference between retail gold and commodity gold wait of course not look where i am

>>17989316
Hurry someone tell me the best stocks to invest into when the economy bounces back

>>17990361
>knows next to nothing about investing
Found the retard.

>>17990535
He reminds me of Brent Spiner in Independence Day.

Is there actually any profit to be made from these trying times or is all just a meme?

>>17990576
Oh boy.

>>17989488
You probably won't be able to get orders through, the circuit breaker will be hit quickly, and then it's smooth sailing in either direction, depending on how much they will pump it.

>>17990361
> /pol/ newbs want to get in on my casino games
Or maybe a lot of individual investors who have so far been too lazy to use financial instruments meant to be used as insurance against market drops are finally realizing it’s time to get prudent?

>>17990617
If I make any profit off my TVIX I got at the end of Friday I'm selling immediately. The markets gunna get pumped with all the retards who think we hit the bottom.

>>17990638
a UK only portfolio is also a bad idea

>>17989379
You're browsing the internet way too much buddy, go outside hop in a pool or something

>A decade bull run
>small crash
Who is ready for the a decade of crab market?

>>17990646
Not really. It depends on the expiry and what the VIX does. I held a lot of my puts through the spikes and I only really felt hurt on thursday/friday because the VIX fell.

>>17990642
I'm not. It's the timing.

>>17990692
SNIB

>>17990673
People have been posting gains from SPY puts for a few weeks.

>>17990673
1. You should have started in February when it was clear to anyone watching that coronachan would rape the economy
2. You can make a lot of money, but it's not risk free. It's basically informed gambling.
3. If you know nothing just start DCAing into NASDAQ now.

>>17990642
>A lot of nostalgia, they don’t show what life was like for anyone who wasn’t wealthy.
Me, I'm more of a Charlie person.
The Gold Rush is überkino.

>>17989552
Woah how did they teach a cat to do that?

>>17990646
how do you have the stomach for this, i close my positions end of every day, end up only making a few thousand a week. only ever risk about 3 or 4k, considering revising my strategy to risk more.

>300k WORLDWIDE CASES >300k WORLDWIDE CASES >300k WORLDWIDE CASES >300k WORLDWIDE CASES >300k WORLDWIDE CASES >300k WORLDWIDE CASES >300k WORLDWIDE CASES >300k WORLDWIDE CASES >300k WORLDWIDE CASES >300k WORLDWIDE CASES >300k WORLDWIDE CASES >300k WORLDWIDE CASES >300k WORLDWIDE CASES >300k WORLDWIDE CASES >300k WORLDWIDE CASES >300k WORLDWIDE CASES >300k WORLDWIDE CASES >300k WORLDWIDE CASES >300k WORLDWIDE CASES >300k WORLDWIDE CASES >300k WORLDWIDE CASES

>https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/21/mike-pence-coronavirus-test-140618

>Mike Pence and his wife will be tested for coronavirus on Saturday afternoon, a day after one of the vice president's staffers tested positive for the infection.

>Pence said here was "no reason to believe" he or his wife, Karen Pence, were exposed to the virus. But he said he will get tested because of his sensitive role in the Trump administration. Pence made the comments at a Saturday afternoon press briefing on the coronavirus pandemic alongside President Donald Trump.

>The White House learned on Friday that a member of Pence's staff had tested positive for the coronavirus. Pence said the staffer "had mild cold-like symptoms" for about a day and a half but is "doing well."

Have over $5k going to my robinhood account. Should I dca stocks or play with options I've done research on?

>>17990684
Yeah, I'll probably be putting around 10% in an S&P fund, but it will be heavily UK based to avoid FX fees and withholding tax.

REMINDER THAT 2008 TOOK 1.3 YEARS TO HIT BOTTOM WITH MULTIPLE GREEN MONTHS THROUGHOUT THAT TIME

>>17990722
These fucking boomers, christ

Peak fear is when you buy. All these college kids on /smg/ that think they're geniuses for buying puts at 70+ VIX will lose everything because they don't have a concept of taking profits and think the country is going to collapse.

>>17989316
>recession
m8 we're dropping harder than in the great depression off the bat

It's ok guys it's time to buy, we hit the bottom!

>>17990646
Lmao. Want to send in more money into my robinhood account, 10k. Bringing my total to over 15k. Am considering doing options. Any advice?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/21/politics/fda-coronavirus-test/index.html

It's over

>>17990755
hit 25k so you can actually trade

>>17990766
Yeah, over for bulls.

>>17989358
I'm gonna make so much money but it still feels shitty because of the deaths and I'm probably gonna get laid off.

>>17990755
You're in the middle of a put options bubble. You will get scalped.

>>17990766
I'm thinking bearish

>>17990730
This is different, good news about vaccine development and a decline in cases will swiftly restore confidence in the markets.

>>17990766
>tests start, mass bull stampede as they reveal how bad things really are

>>17990766
>detects positive cases quicker
># of infected being reported skyrockets, have to self-quarantine
>this is somehow good news for the stock market as entire local economies are paralyzed further

>>17990796
Even if that's true when the put bubble pops it'll just create a bulltrap. And then we get cheap puts.

>>17990646
The puts you listed were in another week or so, you gotta be careful, you can't rely on the VIX staying high, the market can't keep having 5% drops every day. It goes down FAST. Just dont get greedy, I've lost a lot of money on these kinds of trades.

>>17990715
My options can go up or down 20k in a day. Definitely nerve wracking, but also like a drug when it goes your way.

>>17990755
>Robinhood
>Considering options
Don't trade options. First step should be moving to a real broker.

>>17990680
>time to get prudent
Uhhhhhhhh
No?
They’re buying options with insanely high IVs. They’re doing YOLO gambles, not making prudent hedges. It’s speculation.

>>17990704
Based.
>>17990676
The role of the dollar in global finance is not at all like the role of the Reichsmark.
They don’t have much in common other than being fiat. Global central banks were not deliberately devaluing their currencies against the reichsmark. It was never the worlds reserve currency.

But I am concerned about it a sudden snap of inflation, hence my small gold position.

>>17990753
Christ. I can’t believe I’m short here. That is such a delicious dip.

Please... dip hard on Monday... I want to buy more JNJ KO BRKB PEP and get a few cheap LMTs.

>>17990811
the counter-dubs of truth

>>17990766
Yeah this will speed up just what everyone already knows: We're fucked unless this is nipped in the bud by April - June. Anything past June, well you may just kiss life as you know it goodbye. Anarchy will be a very real thing if this goes past June. Shortages will be rampant.

>>17990830
Based flube
>>17990846
Eh. This shutdown will be effective in slowing shit down. That’s the name of the game right now.

>>17990432

>>17990843
How long is the deflation going to last? So far the $1tr daily repos hasn't had much of an impact, could we experience deflation for at least a month? I have UUP puts so this is crucial info

Buy stocks

I have a confession to make. When i said" buy the dip" it was sometimes sarcasm
Hope you guys arent too mad about it.

>>17990882
YOUR $ WILL BE WORTHLESS

>>17990721
8% fatality rate so far

Well atleast we will all get our UBI

>>17990843
USD is backed by crude oil exports.
Someday oil will become obsolete or deplete, then we'll see.

>>17990844
confirming dubs

>>17990843
The bottom is 5000

>>17990535
Aha, so we finally have our Forsythia. And dangerous enough for panicking retards to easily OD on it too.

>>17990786
I had over 25k on there before but stopped trading so withdrew it all. May have to do this if I end up pulling some good moves that have to be done same day.

>>17990796
Yeah I know but I didnt say I was only interested in buying puts. From research I've done I have some plays I want to pull off.

>>17990830
I know robinhood is sketchy but time is of the essence right now so not happening anytime soon especially with the brokers who still charge for options. Those other brokers I'd likely only use for stocks I have no intent of selling soon AND no intent of selling calls.

Have never taken drugs but man when my options go my way I'm really happy.

>>17990360
kek

is Boeing worth investing into now?

>>17990950
>USD is backed by crude oil exports
>Being THIS retarded
USD is backed by consumer spending power and the US military.

>>17990972
>cuz i said

>>17990980
bankrupt without a bailout.

>>17990981
Do you think anyone would accept green slips if those weren't needed to buy crude oil?

>>17990980
You're gambling on the government bailing out shareholders, very unlikely.

>>17990995
>>17991006
what about Shell?

Curious any of you anon's pull off some big play's with options where you made over $5k in less than 3 months?

>>17991003
Yes, because they are back by the most powerful and richest nation on earth.

Buy signal.

A question: I've been reading up on options trading and it looks like a lot of people have been making money off selling puts given the market's volatility. But if you're selling your put contracts, doesn't the buyer have the option to exercise it, and all of a sudden all the profit you've made dissipates from being short x amount of shares?

>>17991021
anon, please don't be a retard.

Long SPCE

>>17989369
Based

>>17990443
I deliver amazon packages and volume has been down past week, think they're having trouble with workforce. Wouldn't count on record sales.

>>17991047
they're not selling to open. they're selling puts they bought.

>>17990899
Absolutely based and Dubbs pilled.
I’m going to retire comfortably with all this KO and PEP!!
>>17990885
Why would repo operations have an impact?
>>17991003
It’s not just oil. Its the majority of contracts for commodities and services.

If someone in December 2019 had showed you this from the future, what would you have assumed caused it?

>>17991047
>A question: I've been reading up on options trading and it looks like a lot of people have been making money off selling puts given the market's volatility. But if you're selling your put contracts, doesn't the buyer have the option to exercise it, and all of a sudden all the profit you've made dissipates from being short x amount of shares?
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=A+question%3A+I%27ve+been+reading+up+on+options+trading+and+it+looks+like+a+lot+of+people+have+been+making+money+off+selling+puts+given+the+market%27s+volatility.+But+if+you%27re+selling+your+put+contracts%2C+doesn%27t+the+buyer+have+the+option+to+exercise+it%2C+and+all+of+a+sudden+all+the+profit+you%27ve+made+dissipates+from+being+short+x+amount+of+shares%3F

BUY HIGH
SELL LOW

>>17991075
Trump issuing an executive order to abolish the federal reserve and kick Jews out of the country.

>>17991075
Only if I watched Inside Job beforehand.

>>17989698
>why contain it?
Kek, rip britbongs

>>17991096
desu, we're actually just doing what everyone else is doing about a week late. Expecting to be in the hundreds of dead/day by the end of next week.

I think the yanks are going to do the whole dying thing bigger and better than everyone else like they always do.

>>17989474
Yooo me too brother minus the screaming guy

>>17991096

Intentionally causing an economic depression will lead to tens of thousands of suicides. Most likely of younger productive age men

>>17991075
Global economic downturn caused by some bubble popping, or the outbreak of some major conflict

>1 BILLION PEOPLE ON QUARANTINE IN INTIA
1 BILLION PEOPLE ON QUARANTINE IN INTIA
>1 BILLION PEOPLE ON QUARANTINE IN INTIA
1 BILLION PEOPLE ON QUARANTINE IN INTIA

is this news?

>>17991077
hey that may actually work

>>17991062
>/biz/ with the insider information
nice

>>17991077
I've been doing this with stocks for months
Now I just do it with puts

>>17990029
can u help a poorfag out on this thread pls?

>>17991077

>>17991075

Something going really wrong with the trade war which was the running headline then. Ever since the virus hit it's been awfully quiet in that front, but for an obvious reason.

>>17989701
200k of puts on GME. They are gonna get railed by the govt for ignoring mandates. Easiest money ever

>>17990379
what a fucking retard. I'm seeing a lot of this sentiment locally on the east coast

>>17991075
Back then I would have thought the trade negotiations had failed and things had moved from tariffs to port blockades.

>>17991038
Pretty routine crisis posting from the biz media there. They are exceptionally fond of the absurdly low price possibility headline. It happened back in late 2015 to early 2016 at the tail end of the oil crash, right when I started learning how to trade. Same kind of analyst quotes; "oil can go to $10, $5, negative" whatever. The low in that crash was $26 coming off a three year period of $80-$110 range.

>>17991021
Bet on the oil price itself. Recommend straight futures tracking ETF without leverage. No leverage allows you to hold through a few months of low chop without getting too screwed over by contango. Companies can go bankrupt but oil will still demand a certain amount.

I'm hesitant to buy anymore now before I get my Govt check. I've already "loaned" myself money as it is to buy stocks that part of that check will cover. Part of the remainder of that check will get dumped into my emergency fund. The rest will be set aside in case I need to make a quick supply run. Yeah I could just pull more money outta my savings or charge it to my credit card but fuck that. Why fuck myself over if I don't gotta.

>>17991075
korea and korea are at war

>>17989800
>>How is Mussolini better than Hitler? Italy was extremely ineffective during the war.
before the war Italy was a model fascist country, that lead a (relatively) orderly peacetime nation.

also Franco won his war, and it wasnt due to german help
>>17989316

>>17991021
Shell's pretty much guaranteed to recover once oil prices go up again and the economy in general starts to turn around, it's mostly just a question of if you want to get in now or later. Oil prices could still drop lower by some analyses and that would drop the price lower, but even if you didn't get in at the bottom you're still highly likely to get a huge return.

>>17988183
>>17988183

>>17991292

>Italy is about to announce enforced martial law, all businesses not related to food or medicine to shut down

>>17991176
Slap on a simple indicator like the MACD on your chart, buy when the lines cross back up on the daily chart. MACD is laggy and this will make your entry a bit late but it's better than nothing. If you want a quicker entry you will need to learn some more TA.

If TA is so good, show me some right now that will tell me what happens for the week
I will screencap it and post it EOD Friday and show you why TA is a joke

>>17991179
b-but... that's not what cramer has been doing...
cute meme though

>>17991292
Mussolini was even shorter than the german manlet king though...

>>17991317
Never should've sold my puts...

>>17991342
TA is good for studying the past and understanding things more completely

its shit at predicting the future on its own tho

>>17991342
>show me some right now that will tell me what happens for the week
That is not how TA works. TA used for swing or day trading is about identifying setups and taking them when they form. There is no long setup on the indexes right now and the short signal occurred weeks ago. So conclusion is bearish, don't buy yet, but don't start any fresh shorts either until there is a good solid bounce in to loss of upward momentum (otherwise known as a continuation trade). You wait for these setups as they give you better odds at success. No system is 100%. Risk and money management is there to keep losses small and gains big.

>>17989463
Pff, I bet New York has waaay better crematoriums than Lombardy. Who ever even heard of Lombardy before now? How small is that city?

>>17989379
you dont have to bait fren

here's a free one

>>17991075
>If someone in December 2019 had showed you this from the future, what would you have assumed caused it?
A major bank failure/financial crisis caused by a liquidity crunch, since the American repo market was on life support since last August.

We would have gotten to this point eventually, it's just that the virus threw gasoline onto the fire.

>>17989701
SPY, NASDAQ, DOW.

>>17991446
what a fucking chad

>>17991459
It's a strategy of mine, NASDAQ will be liquidated first as it has least chance to plummet. Then DOW will shit the bed and leave skid marks all over, ka-ching. SPY is a longer term cherry on top.

We're making it, bobro.

Well my state has 87 cases of the virus. Just 3 have died though. Each one had underlining issues and were older people. Friday we had 63 and 2 deaths. All mostly are contained to the two largest cities, which also by happenstance has two of the three largest airports in the state. (3rd airport is up north near ohio)

>>17990089
jesus dude this is tier 1 retardation

>>17989929
You're looking at it.

>>17990578
Oh no doubt dude

>>17991496
Weird

>>17991487
pump pump pump

>>17991538
when did you start buying options?

Why are tripfags such massive pieces of shit, lads?

What will happen to the stockmarket when everyone gets their free trumpbux?
Has there ever been a precedent for something like this?

New thread

>>17991670
>>17991670
>>17991670

>>17991650
Most people will be too retarded to spend it on anything except frivolities. Big brain Chads will use it to short more stocks.

Imagine that, 1k liquidity for free, 0 risk, keeps increasing.

>>17991650
>zoomer doesn't remember the Bush checks

>>17989475
>Where are all the gold millionaires who made money off of his scheme?
That's not what gold and PMs are for, ultra brainlet.

Honestly, I expect the S&P to try to stabilize around 2300; if it does, it could bounce up to 2650-2800. But if it breaks below 2300 decisively, there is no meaningful support until 2000-2100. Even then, the market might not hold there, given the dismal action in bank stocks. I would not look for a meaningful bottom to occur until the number of stocks making new lows shrinks, and more stocks begin to trade above their moving averages at various time periods.
With 10-year Treasury yields bottoming and the Treasury yield curve steepening, bank stocks should have gotten a lift, he says. Instead, monthly charts of the group’s benchmarks, such as the KBW Bank Index, have broken down from a nine-year trading range. That tells me we’re going to see big loan losses, which makes sense, given the devastation we have seen across the economy.
During the secular bull markets of the 1950s, ’60s, ’80s, ’90s, and 2010s, market-cycle lows often developed around their 200-week MAs. For instance,the 1957-’62 market cycle—which also saw a near-30% decline in the S&P 500, or a 62% retracement of the prior bull market, and a drop below the index’s then-200-week MA. We have to respect the market’s recent break below its 200-week moving average, but the precedent for a recovery is there if you look at 1962 and other cycles.

>>17990429
who the fuck is stopping you? you'll need 100 shares first though

>>17990429
You can, I just don't get why you want to lose money...

>>17990471
when you sell calls you bet it's going down brainlet

>>17990807
No vaccine will cure the recession we're about to dive into

>>17990138
>Chad Wolf

>>17990550
Cannot make this shit up lmao

>>17991417
Lombardy is a region you retarded amerimutt

>>17989379
Pasta less than a day old. Not bad.

>>17990721

Where are the 300k coronatiddies?