/biz/ - Business & Finance

Is the world going to be the same after this pandemic, or is it going to never be the same? The world was different before 9/11...

>>17952152
Depends on the final body count

>>17952152
a new world for a new decade

So it’s going to be blood red tomorrow after the California news right

I hope they kill all niggers

>>17952170
Strong buy pressure from quad witch. Good chance of a green Friday. But if it's green, Monday's gonna dump hard.

based trump saved the economy again yesterday was the bottom

State wide quarantine in California

SOON

Reminder that there is no bottom. The falling knife slipped through Satan's hands in the ninth level of hell. GIVE ME YOUR CHEAPIES.

>>17952188
hope so want my big papa QQQ to PAMP

>>17952181
See.. If this lasts 12 months, we're fucked. No two ways about it.

>>17952152
We're in the endgame™ now.

>>17952130
What airlines are you lads looking at, high risk but very high reward when blumpf or biden bails them out

which brokers do you guys use? The sticky has options but doesnt necessarily describe which is best. I was leaning towards IB but im too retarded to understand what IB pro vs IB lite is. I just wanna buy puts

AMAZON SHUTTING DOWN NON-ESSENTIAL DELIVERIES
RIP AMAZON

>>17952214
Same. I got fat calls for tomorrow. If I don't go broke on the market dumping tomorrow, I'm flipping it all to puts.

Why do people say we're at the bottom? We're barely below December 2018. I don't think we are in a better situation now than then.

>>17952152
Never gonna be the same again actually. Things are going to change so much after this.

>>17952231
diamond hands here, i held my puts from last week, two of them EXPIRE tomorrow.

>>17952219
they will just nationalise those lole

If this friday closes red, then this is indeed the end of our economy

>>17952152
Changing forever, offline retail will be gone entirely because we'll get so used to ordering deliveries from local porters. Going to a physical shop will not be possible soon.

>>17952206
Children let me tell you of the TP incident. And the war of the Poopie Butts. It was a hard time. We were forced to work from home. And watch net flix. And an Orange man gave us thousands of dollars for free. And the red numbers. So scary. Sometimes there would be red. Truly dark times. Worse than the 2nd Holocaust. Why I finished Doom Eternal in just a week and jacked off multiple times a day. Dark times.

Wtf bobobros why aren't we dumping? We crashed california didn't we why aren't dumping???

>>17952260
>Neo-liberals
>nationalizing anything ever

>>17952250
>>17952165
Nothing will change. As soon as this is over people will still consume products and leisure in the exact same way. We'll still have immigration at the same levels (or higher), and we'll probably hit ~30k on the DOW, too. You're expecting too much change from this.

>CBS news showing useless eaters begging not to be infected
Is this impending cull a bullish sign?

He did it three times now and we're still not dumping!! WTF BOBOBROS!!

>>17952297
>Why I finished Doom Eternal in just a week and jacked off multiple times a day. Dark times.
wtf that's my current times

>>17952219
UAL, DAL, AAL.

All risky as fuck.

>>17952265
dude have you seen the new coronavirus numbers from today? it's not just cases that are up in the US, it's deaths as well. shit is hitting the fan dude

>>17952188
what is quad witch

>>17952328
tomorrow morning we'll have double the cases and deaths we have now, not even exaggerating. I would expect many other states to follow suit. and I'm not just saying that because I have puts

>>17952348
Derivatives on index futures, index options, stock futures and stock options expire tomorrow.

Everything ITM (and OTM futures) are getting exercised.

On the option side there are way more ITM puts than calls, which will cause a net buy pressure.

>>17952308
You mean my dystopian cyberpunk quarantined cities isnt going to happen? I know that but still fun to think about.

>>17952170
>California
>News
What fucking planet are you living on that this wasn't expected for weeks?

Protip:
>Domestic airtravel will be restricted soon
>Most states will soon be under lockdown
>if people stay out like those idiots in Florida, it will EITHER go to full martial law Wuhan mode, OR hundreds of thousands will die
>This will last 9-18 months

>>17952304
>what is fannie may and freddie mac

>>17952328
Holy shit. Can you imagine how clean the skies in SoCal will look? The crowded freeways entirely empty. I wonder how different it will look.

>entire state of california issued shelter-in-place by the governor
>amazon suspending non-essential deliveries

BOBOBROS
TOMORROW IS OUR DAY

>>17952385
>there are way more ITM puts than calls
sauce

>>17952415
thats old news faggot

>>17952415
What should I try to sell my SQQQ for at open, 28? 29?

>>17952152
Two likely outcomes from this:
1. There might be a rethinking of the effectiveness of having all employees work in a central office. If productivity numbers from work at home come back decent or better, I expect some companies to reduce their office footprint and have more staff work remotely.
2. Sales on things that ran out fast in the grocery store runs will likely remain high for several months after the all clear is given due to lingering paranoia
3. Airport situation is going to change for the worse AGAIN with maybe added disinfection station at some point along the cattle line for international flights. Currently you sometimes have to walk through a disinfectant puddle when coming in from another country. More of that kind of stuff.

i made 7 CAD on my first day of stock trading pls say something nice to me

>>17952437
>old news
>the fucking news came out 20 minutes ago
dumb bullfaggot

>>17952392
Lol more like 3 weeks loser

>California: Closed
>Florida: Closed
>Washington: Closed
>New York: Closed
>Pennsylvania: Closed
>Futures: CRAB
Are algos just broken? They don't seem to know what to do anymore. Even computers cease to function in the face of economic collapse. Is tomorrow red? Is it green? WHO KNOWS!

>>17952445
Delusional bullfags

The fucking wild ride tomorrow tho...


California is the worlds 5th largest economy. A mandatory shut down will be MURDER for the markets come 9am.

Tesla puts.
I'm gonna watch them tomorrow.

>>17952447
I got that timeline straight from the CDC but okay

>>17952444
Good deal. Well done.

>>17952444
good job my little wolf of wall street

Big picture look at the S&P if the 2018 lows start to give.

>>17952464
ty desu

>>17952392
>California shut down
"How could you not expect this? I've been saying this for weeks!"

>remdesevir found to cure patients retroactively via unanticipated interaction with strange matter generated by the virus
"How could you not expect this? I've been saying this for weeks!"

>>17952451
Market is forward looking, anon. Some of this stuff is no longer enough to cause another wave of panic selling.

>half the customers at rite aid wearing face masks
nothing but pussy bitches in this town, SPY 250+ easy in april

>>17952469
ty now i can fund my trap clothes entirely off my gains

>>17952471
what site is this?
t. newfag

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh fuck the kikes?

>>17952481
>Businesses shutting down for an indefinite amount of time
>Businesses going bankrupt
>People losing jobs and defaulting on loans
Plenty of room to fall.

We cannot last 12 months of this. Lockdown, whatever you call it, 12 months of this is just not possible. Food and other things must get made,delivered,etc. Medical stuff, pretty much everything must be kept up and going. At this point you may as well say fuck it and just admit "hey yes there is a virus and we can't do fuck all to control it but we can fuck up the country to the point everything goes to hell"

>>17952511
tradingview.com

>>17952471
if 2100 doesnt hold, next support is 1600 iirc

>>17952530
Bullish!!!!!! SPY 280 END OF MONTH!!!!!

>>17952533
>hey yes there is a virus and we can't do fuck all to control it
thats called herd immunity you retard. it works

>>17952533
Food is being made and grocery stores manned
Its all the little businesses and nonessential stuff that are getting shit on

>>17952543
I'd probably be looking at those lows around 1800

>>17952560
Not in Britain it seems :^)

>>17952543
Why isn't 1850 a support?
t. clueless

>>17952445
california and amazon shutting down have been on the news all week

>>17952577
Look at a chart.

>>17952152
The Roman Empire fell, one of the most organized, controlled empires in history.
Byzantium fell.
The city of Antioch faced a plague in the midst of having more people per square mile than modern day Calcutta, while being filled with criminals and foreigners.
All of Europe endured the black plague.
China not only was swept by an opioid addiction, but also faced a radical flip from land baron style feudalism to communist feudalism.
The US faced a civil war that involved bloodshed on both sides, psychopathic cult figures such as John Brown going as far as killing poor crackers in Kansas despite themselves escaping the poverty caused by slavery.
The Soviet Union fell.
European Africa arguably has fallen.

I think people have this idea in their head that the two ways of predicting this recession is either "It's just a recession" or "This is the end times". The fact is that we are so comforted and reliant on technology and haven't faced a war on our own soil in such a long time that we feel immune to something that happens quite regularly throughout history. Did you really think that a nation whose power comes from horrific budgeting choices, money printing, debt, and trying make Israel and Saudi Arabia happy is somehow immune to failure?

>>17952543
>if 2100 doesnt hold, next support is 1600 iirc
Incorrect. S&P has theoretical support at $1800. $1700, while not an actual support level, is the magic -50% point from ATH.

>>17952628
No just because humanity has survived huge tumultuous global events means nothing!
THIS IS THE END JESUS WARNED US ABOUT AND THEN HIS ADHERENTS WARNED US ABOUT FOR CENTURIES AND RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS HAVE BEEN WARNING US ABOUT FOR LITERALLY TWICE AS LONG AS ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS HAVE EXISTED
This time it's definitely happening!

>>17952806

>>17952709
>the support you said isn't support because I said so

OW JUST 20000

>>17952709
>using dollar signs

Based

>>17952890
Both the top and bottom of historical range periods are potential support levels. Top of the 2014 to 2016 range is $2120ish. Bottom of same range is $1800.

I want to do a high risk position once we get closer to some real buy points (S&P 1800-2100). I was thinking either some in the money SPY calls that are dated for Dec 2022 or just buying into UPRO. I'm going to just be saying fuck it and holding with $50k or so. Either of these seem better?

The fuck is going on bobos you ok?

>Infected: 244,000
>Deaths: 9,890
>Mortality rate: 4%
Haha, we're going to make so much money right before we die choking on our own puss! HAHAHAHA

Crab time

>>17952806
I always like to remind people who say things like this that Jesus himself said "you'll know neither the day nor the hour"

Is holding USO till rises again a good idea?

>>17952999
actually i'm a healthy young male with no preexisting conditions and the ability to work from home. so, yes i'm going to make a lot of money!

nice trips also

>tfw amd was my best buy

I have 20 stocks that I mostly bought last june and still up

>>17952220
you should use robinhood bro

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/e-mini-nasdaq-100-index-184334084.html?.tsrc=rss
>they really think it'll go up

>>17953035
I think so. Protect your principal with a stop loss as oil can be twitchy in the calmest of times. Oil is doing great during evening trading so far. Currently up around $26.71.

So who is ready to buy Tesla, Boeing, Delta when that shit drops another 25%

>>17953088
>>17953110
>/sp/ tripfaggot in /smg/
The biggest bear signal i've seen yet.

>>17953111
All signs are pointing to that it should. Quad witching, crude ripping, dollar down, asia green. Best thing for the bear case is that after all of this, it is barely even moving. Might have to do with three rejections in the cash session.

Anyone who thinks we've bottomed is naive

>>17953127
Im going to drop 20k on Tesla if under 200

Some of the big tech stocks have not dropped much (relatively) considering the ridiculous gains they had last year.

>>17952999
Nice get

Notice how the death rates of different countries depends primarily on testing. Countries with more testing have a lower death rate.

And it's not because testing somehow reduces virulence, you're just catching all the asymptomatic carriers. Because covid isn't actually any deadlier than the flu :^)

>>17953129
>calling it a bear when the market has been down for like a month now. also I am not even in any of the bullshit high risk stocks

>>17953152
>it should

>>17952530
This. We haven't even begun to see real layoffs. My company axed half my coworkers. Resteraunts and small places have already effectively furloughed. There aren't going to be many people hiring g in all this. Bought to cause another opioid crisis once those laid off boomer grab that stash in the back of the cabinent.

>>17952328
>When the Marketwatch staff has puts

DIS @ 50 soon?

>>17953219
>richer countries that can afford testing and ventilators have lower death rates than countries that are shitpoor and infected told to go home
Really makes you think.

>>17953281
>laughs in Italian

>>17953219
>>17953281
>>17953324
>covid isn't actually any deadlier than the flu :^)
>Flu mortality at worst 0.2% in US
>Covid lowest rate anywhere is 0.7%
Everything is fine, hahahahahahahahaha

Are we just fucked bros

>>17953379
We're being made love to with Corona-chan looking into our eyes deeply.

I just ran a pretty in depth, 3 page analysis of the current state of the economy and it's future outlook with loads of sources. My question to you lads is, if I were to make it available via a $5 dollar donation, would you be interested? Or no.

>>17953411
>bullshit paper
>gimme $5
Fuck no. Maybe send out some mail to dumb boomers or spam on stocktwits.

>>17953411
no

>>17952362
The deaths unironically don't matter. It's all about the supply chain and cash flow disruption now.

>>17953379
>Are we just fucked bros
You're going to make it. We're all going to make it. Everyone except for this literally faggot (>>17952508), I hope he kills himself.

Fuck tripfags and fuck trannies

>>17953411
I’d rather have a hamburger to be honest

>>17953411

>>17953411
>3 pages
No matter the topic, this is worthless. You cannot be older than 18.

>>17953411
Only 3 pages?
A proper analysis of the markets is at least 300 or more...

>>17953411

Not gonna lie, former bearbro here. This is fucking hilarious watching the dow crash and burn. But in all seriousness we can't let bobo destroy the economy.

>>17952335
American Airlines has the word American in them so you can be sure they get bailed out. United as well because of USA. Delta can go fuck itself.

>>17953411
>writing 3 pages to say big line go down

>>17953446
I'm 26. With such an inflammatory response, I'm quite taken aback.
It consists of compiled data, quantitative comparatives, future outlooks, and just about all of the supporting evidence for the structure of the analysis, as well as concluding remarks and various other related material.

It's cool. Most people here don't even know what a quick ratio or debt to equity is. So I'm not too surprised. Thank you all for your input.

>>17952806
You have no idea what the fuck are you talking. You probably overdosed on redpills and corona generals on pol. Stop reading those, same shit happened to me. Ask yourself an important question, what makes you think that you're qualified enough to make such assumptions? Are you an acclaimed virologist? Are you a psychic? Do you posses inside information, that is hidden from the general public. If all your answers are NO, then you should stop scaring anons into buying FUCKING TOILET PAPER, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SPEND 50 fucking DOLLARS on EBAY.

>>17953576

yeah get out college boy!

>>17953167
If this shit hits half as bad as it did in italy. Tesla will go to 120. Look at florida https://healthweather.us/, those degenerate faggot zoomers are going to become the most hated generation.

>>17953489
pffffft econowhat?

>>17953576
Try and sell it on reddit, bigger chances.

>>17953576
A proper report on the state of the stock market is typically 300 or more pages long and even longer if the report analyzes positions and overall trends along with commodities and overall performance of the money market etc.
You said 3 pages. There is no way on gods green earth that your report could ever hope to do the things you assert it can do.

>futures down less than 1 percent

BORING

>>17953576
Fuck off newfag
This legitimately has to be bait
If it isn’t, I beg of you, kill yourself faggot

>>17954020
HSI opened back up and has been performing well. Futures are currently following the asian markets. Plus even the Nikkei has been doing acceptable of late. That's why the futures aren't down much right now.

>>17953411
Man, I wish my college professor's paid me for the BS papers I write. Maybe then I would by physical silver again.

>>17953602
He's an import from /pol/ he honestly believes that his christianity arguments will work well in real life because they worked so well in /pol/.
protip: they're shit.

Fact is, we've been getting one hell of a bullshit invasion from those autistic fucks lately. And they bring their stupid nazi bullshit here as well. It's disgusting.

>>17954040
Absolute state of bullfags, they can't see the obvious bulltrap.

>>17954089
Go back to leftypol if you don't like it you giant cocksucker. I know autists have trouble detecting sarcasm but jesus christ, read his post and tell me it's unironic.

>>17954040
Asian markets just parrot whatever the US markets did the prior day

>>17954149
You realize I'm not offering insight into what the market will be doing. Right? Nor do I believe that tomorrow will be anything other than a fucking bloodbath.

Also leftypol is pol. Unlike you I'm not a fucking pol import.

>>17954269
HSI's surge is due to the equities market getting a bounce from the policy decision made. However, the Euro markets are going to be straining. Any pre market drops will be there and the U.S. will carry from there. The rally in HSI is not indicative of a recovery, nor is it a reflection of U.S. market action directly since what drove the surge 3% is due to China’s loan prime rates (LPR) on Friday that were left unchanged from their February levels, with both the 1-year and 5-year LPR left steady at 4.05% and 4.75%, respectively. As such, this boosts confidence.
It should be noted that the Shanghai exchange has barely stayed at .5% up all day. That's not reflective of our markets...

>>17952130
ahem. AAAHHHHHHHHHHH

How's the week coming along?

>>17954089
I want to fuck the spaceship girl.
Tenderly.

>>17954639
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>17954639

Would CLW and PFE be memestocks? Anyone currently investing?

>>17954994
>PFE
Don't buy until KO is recovering.

THREAD THEME
https://youtu.be/H6ojLNsoi0w

oh...

>>17952335
>AAL
>-206+:1 debt to equity
>-1428 return on equity
>-cash flow per share
The list goes on. If AAL is bailed out we may as well go full socialist.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AAL/american-airlines-group/financial-ratios

>>17955066
What if they're saying 18 months because that's how long it takes to drag everyone into a fema camp?

>>17952530
Seconding this too. Lots of clueless money in the markets. I don't believe they understand what awaits them.

>>17955084
I thought last 14 or so years proved that debt literally doesn't fucking matter.

>>17955115
This year might prove you wrong :)

>>17954994
Pfizer is not a memestock.

It looks to be dirt cheap, but I'd like to see what their debt is and make sure they aren't going to have to cut the dividend. Also to see their supply chain and if they're going to have issues, and if they've announced that they're going to have issues.

>>17954012
If you need 300 pages to understand where we are headed you may as well be mentally retarded. Cumulatively with sources its maybe 100+ pages.

>>17955115
Where's their income at again?

I feel like i should do 30$ AMD puts 6 months out.

>>17955066
The man is wearing a bowtie. I don't trust him.

Looks like a temporary pullback might happen for a few days. We haven't seen the bottom, but a fscemelting rally would be pretty cool

>>17955160
Have you ever read a single prospectus?

>>17955183
government

>>17955040
Why?

>>17955628
How much of a prospectus is actually worth reading, and how much is repetitive legalese designed to do everything possible to ensure against any liability for disasters, fuckups, or losses?

there's a repo crisis that started last year, pension funds are insolvent, the government is bailing out every industry, dozens of CEOs quit their jobs in anticipation, senators sold millions in February, the unemployment websites are crashing do to load, mass layoffs haven't started, supply chain hit hasn't fully manifested yet (companies will run out of reserve stock soon), quarterly earnings are next month, hmm what else? yes there is a global pandemic. Oh right, there's a housing bubble, student loan bubble, sub-prime auto loans. What else? OH YEAH. All growth in the market since 2009 has been fucking stock buybacks! OH RIGHT any the fucking pandemic hasn't even slammed the hospitals yet. Do you realize by this time next month the average hospital will be swamped with elderly people who are literally suffocating to death? Picture it, and the media coverage.
We haven't even priced-in all the people who will be drawing out their 401ks to pay for mortgages, rent, and food. OH yeah, and the food shortages. OH YEAH and the national GUARD is being DEPLOYED because of the very real possibility of riots in the major cities. OH YEAH and there's going to be an Occupy Wall Street 2.0 coming that will be militantly violent with a fully built-up army of anti-Drumpf cattle manipulated by strongest anarcho-communist blac block America has even seen (as a reaction to the Alt Right).
Yeah mate this is the bottom for sure... for sure... for sure.

I'm elbow-deep in VXX puts, GLD calls, and Bitcoin. Where are you guys at??

>>17956001
Panic is a big Buy signal. . .

(((HERD IMMUNITY HERD IMMUNITY HERD IMMUNITY HERD IMMUNITY HERD IMMUNITY HERD IMMUNITY)))

>>17952458
>>17952457
we bull now. get over it.

>>17952451
Demand doesn't DISAPPEAR, anon. People will come out of this in 4 months ready to spend that money. All the companies just need to GET BY until then, and the federal reserve will do everything in their power to keep everyone's heads above water.

Friendos: CHINA stopped their spread, and now we have a chance to let corona-chan spread far and wide in the USA, give us HERD IMMUNITY, and then we can get back to business as usual while the rest of the world cucks around with rolling lockdowns.

>>17955891
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1156871/000119312510115820/d424b3.htm

>Futures pumping

why do you retards have two threads going on

>>17956224
I'm guessing some retard looked at this thread saw "small mills general" and made another one

>>17956224
We are important enough for multiple threads now.

>>17956194
>https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1156871/000119312510115820/d424b3.htm
Jeeezus. I was thinking an ETF prospectus. Honestly, I don't understand how corporate debt offerings works all that well, just the basics, that if SHTF and the company goes bust they are prioritized when the assets are liquidated, that kind of stuff. I have NO idea how convertibles work and preferred shares are weird too. This thing... does it really need to be this many pages?

>>17956192
>4 months
man people are going to losing their jobs and homes and shit soon, this isn't just going to end because we're doing social distancing and trying to find better treatments.

This is going to take a while before "business as usual" and there will be changes in the shape of the economy. I kind of like the work from home thing though, hopefully people will have to waste less time on commutes and other bullshit.

This reminds me of some options trading book (You know, one that actually teaches you in depth about the subject and doesn't just promise you will get rich using their technique?) in which they pointed out this problem.
"When your shoe shine boy starts giving you stock tips, that's the time to get out"

>>17953496
>American Airlines has the word American in them so you can be sure they get bailed out. United as well because of USA. Delta can go fuck itself.
yep

>>17956302
smg is the shoe shine boy

>>17956370
Exactly.
I wouldn't trust 99% of this board with a single thing. Most people don't seem to understand the fundamentals and think they can make a few neetbux now that they made a few litecoins or whatever their most recent memecoin is. One amusing thing is watching the people here at a rate of 98% fail to actually meaningfully make a single call as to what's going on and thus miss every indication of what's to come.

>>17956302
affirmative, boomer

>>17956415
Predictions for tomorrow, anon?

I hear $chef is gnna pop. Would it be stupid to go all in? It used to be $37 a while ago, but its under $5 now.

>>17956415
Teach us, master. What can we expect next week?

>Crude mooning
My USO calls are gonna print so hard

Hello frens. Now's a good time to dollar cost average into leveraged index ETFs. The market's going to go back up so start now.

>>17956516
I've been doing this for a decade and I have no fucking clue without access to a bloomberg terminal. And that's the disadvantage to anyone starting out, they do not have the crucial details to complete their fundamental analysis and make a call.
So I cannot make any definite calls, and will happily admit I don't fully know. However, I do know that with a lack of consumer spending as a result of entire areas of the country currently shutting down, entire industries will continue taking a beating.
>>17956502
There's expectations that tomorrow will be a bloodbath and that Friday will be a good day for people with puts leveraged out to june. Given how the futures look that may be doubtful. However with the quadruple witching thing happening and a few other factors, that could result in investors looking for options as theirs all expire. Which could drive options through the roof. Doubly so as the california data gets processed by the markets.

Best guess?
Bloodbath.
Probability? 50/50.
I happily admit when I don't know for certain. But this week has been a constant losses week. So there's a very real likelihood that it will be higher losses. But don't leverage yourself too far because if the pre markets continue doing well it could be a surprisingly good day for regular stocks, leading to mixed performances. ETFs should be avoided until the stability window opens again.

>lost $2k in TJX puts because I FOMO'd into

It's over bros, I'm gonna have to whore myself out

>>17955891
I gotta respect the creativity in your shitposts, I don't main this board but I haven't seen this one on this or any board before, interesting shitpost

Completely forgot about the Friday pump and bought puts yesterday during Thursday’s pump, but at least I also hedges with calls so I can sell those before close and buy more puts on the cheap